I can't look at this man the same way ever again.

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>>155029251
KIKU

CAME

IN

KONATSU

>>155029677
When did this happen? I'm only up to episode 8.

>>155029955
A bomb is casually dropped during the last episode, and the extra chapter confirms that Kiku is actually the father. Most people thought the yakuza boss was the father, but in the extra chapter the yakuza boss declares that he would never go for Konatsu because he has too much respect for Kiku, and then we have Kiku declaring that he's going to face Konatsu as "another human being, not his(Sukerokus)child" when she grows older. He's talking to Sukeroku's ghost, and states that he knows Konatsu is in love with him.

>>155029251
but considering how old kiku was when it would have happened. Konatsu probably did most of the work. mfw idiots blame kiku anyway

>>155030050
It sounds like Kiku, Yotaro, and Konatsu are overdue for a threesome then.

>>155030050
I haven't caught up either but is this really legit or am I easily falling for a ruse because the forbidden love is delicious?

>>155030062
Unless she raped him that doesn't change the fact that he willingly fucked her.

>>155030113
Kiku died.

>>155030156
It's legit. Extra chapter confirms this.

>>155030237
Let's not pretend this is a black and white situation. what I'm saying is they're both at fault here.

>>155030326
Noo. Well, I can't be too surprised, he was already looking sickly by the time I left off. At least he left a descendant.

>>155030237
She didn't rape him. He states that he plans on facing her as "another human being" when she grows older, most likely because he's waiting for her to be legal. She was already legal when she got pregnant so there was nothing wrong with having sex.

>>155030062
I'm not fully convinced it even happened but Kiku didn't really start losing his energy and steam until pretty recently. His hair hadn't even gone fully white yet and he could still do Rakugo the way he liked to, so I can't see fucking when determined to do so to be that heavy a task.

>>155030477
Why couldn't they ever be together then? Just because of Kiku's guilt over what happened to her parents?

>>155030344
Oh, ok, then I agree with you.

>>155030477
I know that, I just thought that anon was saying Bon did nothing wrong.

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>>155029251
I can't believe they ruined this beautiful man for me so quickly and easily, in a way that added nothing to the story and gets no further explanation or resolution to soften the blow. What a fucking awful moment in an otherwise incredibly series.

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>>155029251
>>155029677
>came inside
>in a woman young enough to be his daughter
>Miyokichi and Sukerouku's daughter actually
And here I thought the dude was a fag

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>>155029677
What if there was no actual sex and Kiku simply donated

>>155030595
>Just because of Kiku's guilt over what happened to her parents?
It could be that, or it could be because he mentions seeing "that person" when he looks at Konatsu which could mean he solely slept with her because Konatsu reminded him of Miyokichi/Sukeroku aka the two people he loved the most.

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>>155030740

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>>155030050
If it's assumed that it's true, isn't it kind of weird how little tension there was in the household while Bon was growing up for that kind of drama? They were all living under the same roof where the adoptive dad is the only one who doesn't know.

One would think it would create tension so thick you could cut it with a knife, but Konatsu, Yotaro, and Kiku seemed to be fine settling into their set-up as Konatsu and Yota as the parents and Kiku as the grandpa.

>>155031008
>Konatsu, Yotaro, and Kiku seemed to be fine settling into their set-up as Konatsu and Yota as the parents and Kiku as the grandpa.

We don't know if Yotaro knows the truth. There's a scene where he attacks the Yakuza boss though since he thinks he's the real father and then declares that Shin is his kid, even if they're not blood-related.

If he realizes the truth later on by noticing how much Shin resembles Yakumo when he grows older then he doesn't care. Shin is his kid and that's all that matters.

Plus Konatsu and Yakumo always had a relationship with different layers that Yotaro was never really apart of so it's best to stay out of it. What could he do anyways? They already had sex so it's too late.

>>155029251
I just want to erase this series out of my head now.

>>155031304
You should be prepared for this kind of stuff to happen if you watch a series based on a josei manga.

>>155030740
>>155031008
I wonder if Konatsu might have milked kiku or something without his knowledge? Or maybe she fucked him while he was asleep.

I speculate because while I do see how konatsu might have fucked kiku (I always did get some awkward vibes) I never picked up on any interest from kiku. He seemed to aloof most of the time, and throughout the show he hasn't shown much interest in sex at all.

All I can really confidantly say from what we've been shown is that if something DID happen, kiku probably wasn't the aggressor/the one initiating. Maybe he was just in one of his more depressive/passive moods and he just let konatsu do what she wanted with him. idk

>>155031290
I know that Yotaro didn't know, but things seemed relatively relaxed between Kiku and Konatsu after Shinnosuke was born. Wouldn't it have been a lot more prickly if they actually crossed that line?

>>155029251
Josei authors really like fucking their fathers huh

>>155031562
because LOL DRAMA

>>155031446
It's a josei manga, I wouldn't put much stock in the behavior of the male characters when it comes teo acting realistically. Kiku is basically a girl himself.

>>155029677
THE SLUT GENES MUST PROPAGATE

>>155031456
>Wouldn't it have been a lot more prickly if they actually crossed that line?
It was still quite prickly. Neither ever brought up the fact that they slept together, and they seemed to have preferred it that way.

Just like everyone is keeping a huge secret(the fact that she basically killed her parents) from Konatsu, she's keeping a huge secret(Kiku being the father) from them. An eye for an eye.

>>155031749
Shinnosuke is going to be a bisexual megaslut when he grows up, I can feel it.

>kiku fucked konatsu, makes yotaro raise his son
Wow and with just that one extra fact I now hate the entire series.
Not being sarcastic either.
Fuck the author I hope she explodes.

>>155031873
Don't be like that, anon. Shin-chan is pure.

>>155031761
So she kills her parents and rapes her foster dad. As expected of Miyokichi's daughter.

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>fucked his bro's kid
That's just plain fucked up.
Just
Plain
Fucked
Up

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>>155031749
Koyuki is pure. Yota's purity canceled out her grandma's slut genes.

>>155031873
>Shinnosuke is going to be a bisexual megaslut
Of course. He has the genes of the beautiul Miyokichi, Konatsu, and Kiku. Sukeroku is quite handsome also.

>>155031938
Because he never got the chance to fuck his bro.

>>155031761
>It was still quite prickly.
I didn't feel that at all though. Compared to how it was in season 1, they seemed to be a lot more mellow by the time Shinnosuke was born. There's not bringing it up, and then there's seeing the living proof every single day in the baby if they actually did it.

>>155031938
Listen, when your bro is dead you take the next best thing.

>>155031938
Konatsu is a mix of Miyokichi and Sukeroku. In a way, Kiku gets to fuck them both through their daughter.

>>155032025
Are you kidding? She's definitely fucking Shinnosuke to spread them Kiku genes.

Dropped

>>155032183
That's just josei. Letting women have their own manga was the mistake.

>>155032205
>usagi dropped
fify

>>155029251
Is that his "I fucked you're daughter" face? What a fucking legacy to leave behind.

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Greatest love story ever told.

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>>155032246

>>155032049
They definitely did mellow out when compared to the first season, but it was still quite prickly to me. I think another reason it was never brought up by either of them is because the author wanted to save the reveal for the end which is what she did.

Third last episode is just weird to watch now. Fuzzy warm feelings are now replaced with uneasiness

>>155032183
lol bye normalfag, hope you enjoy your shows where nothing thought stimulating or controversial ever happens and everything's roses

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Why does Japan keep doing this to my favorite things

>>155032183
I don't get the big deal. They never acted like father and daughter.

>>155032246
How do they keep getting away with this

I watched the first 2 episodes of the second season, but then stopped because I thought it'd be better to wait for it to end and watch everything in one go. Should I even bother now?

>>155031873
Shinnosuke needs to mate with somebody from Yota's bloodline.

>>155032330
>nothing thought stimulating or controversial ever happens and everything's roses
Dude if you like this shit you might as well watch spanish soap-operas, fuck right off with that backwards-ass reasoning.

>>155032370
yes. the show is still very good. kikufags are just butthurt that their pure boi is human

>>155032361
>raising the child of your deceased best friend
>fucking her
I don't understand how you don't see a problem here.

>>155032370
This season was excellent until one small part of the last episode happened. After that, it went back to being excellent.

>>155032416
Most humans don't fuck their daughters though.

>>155032357
Women
Are
Fucked
Up

>>155032472
1. konatsu is not kiku's kid
2. konatsu was an adult when it happened, and was probably the one who initiated
3.people do fucked up shit sometimes

>>155032370
The second to last episode may be one of the single best episodes I've ever seen. All the rage in the world couldn't cancel out how worth-it this series is just for that one episode.

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I just watched up to the stabbing in season 2 and is Miyokichi one of the top 10 most vile women in chinese cartoons? How did Kiku actually like her?

>>155032315
It just doesn't shake out to me looking back on how they interacted with each other and towards the baby. That shit would be way more awkward living in the same house

>>155032528
I bet you'd like Usagi Drop

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>josei series features the lead female fucking her father (figure)

every time
why are women such a meme that all want to fuck their daddies?

>>155032532
>Miyokichi one of the top 10 most vile women in chinese cartoons? How did Kiku actually like her?

Because he's vile in his own way. Birds of a feather flock together.

>>155032357
Nipponese men work such long hours, their absence has a corrosive effect on both their sons and daughters.

>>155032556
eh, tried watching that. was mostly boring

>>155032532
Because melodramatic woe is me Josei story.

If Jap women want to fuck their fathers, does that mean I need to have a jap daughter?

>>155032532
The only person without sin in this series is Matsuda-san. Kiku's own problems were simply more subdued and hidden than everyone else's.

>>155032541
>That shit would be way more awkward living in the same house
heir relationship was always fucked up, the baby just adds another layer to it.

>>155032497
Women
Are
Incredibly
Fucked
Up

Gotta get that acronym going properly.

>>155032030
>He has the genes of the beautiul Miyokichi, Konatsu, and Kiku. Sukeroku is quite handsome also.
I wish adult Shin-chan looked more like Sukeroku instead of Kiku's clone with a less pointed chin.

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>>155032654
Nice, I like that.

I really enjoyed the series, but that reveal did bring the show down in my eyes. It's just so unnatural.

>>155032616
>a BABY is just 'another layer'
It's a 3 ft sheet of steel in comparison. Not even the most outwardly cool headed people could avoid squirming to hell and back about something like that

>>155032717
i fail to see how so many people didn't see this coming though. I mean the whole preggers arc was suspicious as HELL

>>155032761
You mean to tell me you expected they'd fucked?
Are you a girl?

>>155032451
Sure, he raised her meaning he put a roof over her head/made sure she had clothes on her back/food on the table, but she isn't his kid and they honestly never had a father-daughter relationship; those two acted more like roommates if anything. Konatsu was in love with him in the past which means she never saw him as her adoptive father growing up, and Yakumo realized that the older she got, the more complicated things got be which means he probably never saw her as his adoptive daughter either. When they slept together, they were both adults.

>>155032830
t. Woman

>>155032807
no you faggot, I'm saying that when konatsu revealed she was preg, I realized there was a possiblity that kiku was the father. why else would she be so hush about it?

>>155032761
I expected it more so because of the genre than the way they were behaving, or the nature of their relationship as it was presented.

>>155032133
YES

>>155032882
Do you have a boyfriend?

>>155032761
A lot of people here assumed that the yakuza boss was the dad.

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josei
>everyone is a single parent
>everyone is a prostitute
>everyone wants to fuck their parent

>>155033017
Women man I'm telling ya

>>155033017
i chuckled

>>155032830
Yakumo felt guilty about the death of her parents, and so took her in due to a sense of responsibility. How can you reconcile that with him having sex with her?

>>155033017
>all nice men are cucks

>>155033008
In an old rakugo thread, there was this one anon that was giving out spoilers because their friend read the manga and said that their friend had a feeling kiku was the father because of certain scenes. of course people in the thread got annoyed/mad and refused to believe such a thing, but it turns out anons friend was actually right.

I like this kind of things, unorthodox flavor is why I got into Chinese woodcarvings

>>155032388
>Shinnisuke fucks his own half-sister
Fuck you.

>>155033017
Is Chihayafuru the only relatively well-know but not fucked up josei?

>>155032357
Yotsuba is next.

>>155033162
Stop.

>>155033157
I enjoyed that. Too bad S3 never

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>>155033162
>Yotsuba is next.
Delete this.

>>155033155
>Shinnisuke fucks his own half-sister
That somehow sounds less weird than Kiku fucking Konatsu.

>>155033157
Chihaya wanted to give V-day chocolate to her Karuta instructor remember?

>>155033162
>Yotsuba timeskip
I doubt that would happen. It'll end when she's just about to start school for the first time.

>>155033157
Kuragehime.

>>155033157
Well I know these are demographic terms but it has more in common with shoujo manga than with josei manga. It just runs in a josei magazine.

>teenage protagonist
>very romantiized view of love
>no sex, drugs or rock'n'roll

>>155033142
I remember it being brought up and taking it somewhat seriously at first even if I hated the idea, but then they kept re-posting it without any further information/evidence so I figured they must be a troll. It's odd that this series remained so unspoiled (or at least only vaguely spoiled) despite being a finished manga, I guess that's what happens when the Japanese is too difficult for most anons to read even if they're learning moon.

watch Ristorante Paradiso, now that's one fucked up josei masquerading as a comfy food show

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What did the nips think about it?

>>155033157
Chihaya wants to fuck a dude she saw like 3 times within 5 years of knowing him. That's kinda fucked up.

>>155033300
>old man reverse harem
No thanks.

Fuck I hate older men. I'm going to have to get into /ss/ to counterbalance the excess of them in anime and manga.

>>155031606
But there wasn't drama at all when it was implied. It's even anticlimatic.

>>155033298
I don't think we're talking about the same anon since the anon I'm talking about posted proof and would even post raws to show us which scene their friend was talking about.

>>155033300
>fucked up
Please, it's just a girl falling for a GILF. Huge age gaps are weird but not fucked up.

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>>155029251
I can't think of their "heartwarming" scenes the past few episodes the same again either.

Like in episode 10 when Kiku and Konatsu share a father daughter moment with her combing his hair and all while her son was playing outside. Now I can only see it as two lovers making peace while their son is playing in front of them.

On a side not I wonder what kind of expression Konatsu made when he came inside her? She was constant lashing out in anger at him in S1. But I guess she like all 2D women succumbed to the power of dick.

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>kiku fucked konatsu when he was alive
>kiku is probably fucking miyokichi and sukeroku in the afterlife
MADMAN
A
D
M
A
N

>>155033461
stop conveniently ignoring the main plot hook

>heroine's mother leaves her alone with her mother and moves to Rome to marry a guy
>for years she acts as if she didn't have a daughter waiting for her back home because the guy doesn't like the idea of marrying a single mother

>>155033420
I didn't mean I was talking about the same anon, I was just talking about the times I remember seeing it posted. But even if raws were posted, they can't have been conclusively translated or they'd be reposted and accepted as canon as always happens with adaptions.

>>155033517
Fucking hell, that scene made me cry because I was so happy about their 'father/daughter', or least master/student dynamic was finally established and resolved. How could the mangaka possibly think fucking that up would improve the story?

>>155033627
women logic
>everything gets better if you add the female lead fucking her father

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>>155033517
Shit. your right. I can't look at Konatsu's expressions here without thinking something lewd.

Why the fuck did the author do this? And in the finale no less?

Do you think Konatsu sucked Kiku's dick?

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Remember all that sexual tension between these two.

>>155033627
Women commonly sexualize relationships with older male authority figures; it's something you just have to accept about them.

>>155033734
>Why the fuck did the author do this?
TO spice things up. Now it's memorable. You'll know this feeling forever, cherish it anon.

>>155033627
Because you are not wrong. That's exactly what that scene means, even if they had sex they realized that their reationship should have being that of a father and a daughter and a master and his student. At that point Konatsu is over her romantic feelings when she was younger and is Yotaro's wife.

>>155033553
It always bothered me that the mom got away with all that without any punishment, Nicoletta forgave her and her husband didn't mind it in the end

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>>155033750
DELETE THIS

>>155033750
slut genes must propagate

>>155033750
If lolis with older girls is /ll/ and shotas with older girls is /ss/, then what's this combination?

>>155033517
There's nothing wrong with this scene since Konatsu is over her feelings for Yakumo.

>>155033786
it would make more sense had it been set in 935 AD korea or something

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>seinen manga
>basically shounen with more tits and blood
>josei manga
>every human in the world is a messed up, depraved asshole

>>155033859
classical greek romance

>>155033859
/gs/

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Is this the best couple of the season?

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>>155033895

>>155033894
Except Matsuda, he was the purest man in the world.

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Well the show was enjoyable and we didn't have to deal with trolls for the most part in the threads. Sucks any retard will probably only post about this one thing despite how great the show was. I can almost confidently state this is my favorite anime of all time despite that one minor issue.

>>155033157
only yesterday?

>>155033859
Pure pederasty?

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>>155029677
>this bitter yet smug old man shot his hot sticky load inside of a prime konatsu

What a sly old fox.

>>155033979
how can it be the best when it wasn't even as good as S1

>>155033934
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

This anime just like Usagi drop is a good way to uncover the normalfags that post here on /a/

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what did she mean by this

>>155034091
How so?

>>155034091
From what I can remember from the Usagi Drop ending on /a/, everyone hated it. So I dunno what you're talking about normalfags and shit, it was garbage writing that ruined Usagi Drop.

>>155034043
Think he means the show as a whole, season 1 and 2.

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>>155034043
Because I count both of them as a whole. Not stupidly separate them.

>>155033979
>Sucks any retard will probably only post about this one thing

This "one thing" is a pretty big fucking deal. It completely changes the dynamics between Konatsu and Yakumo, who already have a pretty chaotic relationship before finally accepting each other as he was dying.

>>155034118
Konatsu is taking the secret of her son's father to the grave. Just like Kiku taking the secret of her parents death to the grave.

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>>155029251
Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it's not explicitly stated that he is the father or that he fucked Konatsu.

Wouldn't Sukeroku have been pissed at him in the afterlife if he had?

Even if he is the father, I'm just going to jam my fingers into my ears and pretend it isn't true. Wish they would have just pointed out who the father was without some bullshit speculation.

That part and the fact that there were a few unnecessary characters are my only gripes with the show. Best show of the past two years easily.

not only does this show promote incest, it promotes organised crime as well

>yakuza is widely respected
>MC is friends with a local boss
>the boss himself is sympathetic and acts like he runs just some family business
>everybody's sad when he's locked up and worries what will happen to the gang now

oh I forgot

>YOTA PARADES DOWN THE STREET WITH A GIANT FUCKING YAKUZA TATTOO HE HAD COLOURED FOR AUTHENTICITY

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>>155029251
What would he say if he knew it was actually konatsu who took kiku in?

>>155034231
because women
bad boys are cool

>>155034091
Usagi Drop was shit because it was a real father-daughter relationship that ended up becoming a fucked up relationship.
Yakumo and Konatsu would be the opposite, their relationship didn't get worst and instead they actually became like father and daughter after Yotaro clamied Konatsu as his wife and Shin as his son.

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>>155034199
I watched plenty of shows with incest so this shit doesn't phase me anymore. But sure it did leave a bit of a bitter taste but you kiddies should be able to handle it by now.

>>155034205
>it's not explicitly stated that he is the father or that he fucked Konatsu.
The extra chapter confirms that he is the father.

>Wouldn't Sukeroku have been pissed at him in the afterlife if he had?
After telling Sukerokus ghost that he knows Konatsu is in love with him, he goes on to say that he's going to face Konatsu "as another human being, not his child" when she grows older.

>Even if he is the father, I'm just going to jam my fingers into my ears and pretend it isn't true
Go ahead. Still doesn't change canon.

>>155033724
>>155033772
I don't see why people keep blaming women specifically, series aimed at/written by men are exactly the same with plenty of incest and age differences. The entire world romanticizes older men/younger women. If anything men are far more obsessed with younger women than the reverse.

>>155034315
>The extra chapter
Extra chapter is not canon to the anime just like Konatsu never talked with Miyokichi's ghost.

>>155034345
This is normal on /a/

>>155034237
He knows. Sukeroku is such a shitty father that he doesn't care.

>>155029251
I would still fuck him.

>>155034345
fuck off watching mushishi stop spreading girl germs

This is why I usually avoid shit written by females. It starts off strong and catches my attention, but by the end something always goes wrong. Either a plot point that wasn't needed, a revelation that wasn't necessary or it just becomes a clusterfuck.

The only exception I can think of off the top of my head is the author of FMA.

>>155034378
You're an effing retard

>>155034345
wanting to fuck your mom is actually fairly rare in manga aimed at men

>>155034345
It's the familial aspect that's strange.

>>155034464
What is Evangelion

>>155034345
>I don't see why people keep blaming women specifically, series aimed at/written by men are exactly the same with plenty of incest and age differences. The entire world romanticizes older men/younger women. If anything men are far more obsessed with younger women than the reverse.
I see no lies.

>>155034315
Extra chapter doesn't confirm he's the father. The only thing it said was that Konatsu liked both yakuza boss and Yakumo. She was into old men and likely just fucked a random old man

>>155034431
Nice argument.

this thread is now cancer. bye

>>155034291
>shit doesn't phase me anymore

Probably because you're a fucking retard who wouldn't know a good story if it fucked him in the ass. The incest isn't the problem, it's the fact that great story with great characters was ruined in the span of one sentence because the author has a daddy complex.

>>155034491
>Extra chapter doesn't confirm he's the father
Yes it does since the Yakuza boss declares he would never go for Konatsu because he respects Kiku too much.

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>Yota lost this beautiful hair and kept the buzzcut for the rest of his fucking life
This is the series' biggest tragedy.

>>155034284
There is nothing wrong with the ending

oh fuck someone post Kiku's face as he was fresh out of hospital and about to jump off that bridge but Konatsu stopped him

remember her hugging him tight as he's talking to Yota on that fucking bridge

remember his smug expression

>>155034464
Exactly, it's older men/younger women that's popular with every gender, so blaming josei writers alone for it is dumb. It's just seen as normal and natural when men write it, because it's that widely accepted.

>>155034345
Age gap relationships are my favorite kind actually. I don't blame Kiku either. My issue is with Konatsu being an irredeemable slut like her mom.

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>>155034491
Extra chapter confirms it hard.

Reminder that Kiku's son is Sukeroku's grandson.

The Boss tells Kiku that he would never go for Konatsu because he respected Yakumo more than anyone, and Konatsu was Yakumo's precious daughter.

And then, many years later, Kiku thanks the Boss for keeping it a secret, and doing him a favor he "could never repay."

>>155034485
one show

>>155034205
I think it's opened up to the viewers interpretation. Just like Kiku made up his story about Sukeroku and Miyokichi's, each of us can make up our own stories about Shin's father: being Yakumo or any other possible father and how it happened. But it doesn't really matter at the end of the day because Yotaro is Shin's true father and Konatsu is his wife.

>>155034541
glad I'm not the only one saddened by the loss of the ponytail

what kind of super autism does Shinnosuke have if his father was in his late fifties as he fucked

>>155034573
Yes. Fuck.

>>155034576
it's not simply "old man/young woman", it's daughter and her father (figure)

>>155034594
>>155034378

>>155034535
Do you believe he would refuse if an adult Konatsu jumped into him and wanted to do it raw

>>155034533
How was it ruined?
Just because you are triggered by incest, doesn't mean the story is shit

>>155034641
zero. autism/defects thing only applies to women who birth too late

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>>155034606
>I think it's opened up to the viewers interpretation. Just like Kiku made up his story about Sukeroku and Miyokichi's, each of us can make up our own stories about Shin's father: being Yakumo or any other possible father and how it happened. But it doesn't really matter at the end of the day because Yotaro is Shin's true father and Konatsu is his wife.
This denial.

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I can't look at her the same way any more.

>>155034594
The favor was pulling Yotaro out of the yakuza, Yakumo contacted the boss after aniki saw Yotaro's dekigoro

>>155034685
It's not outright ruined, but it certainly messes up the dynamic it worked so hard to establish.

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>>155034573
This is the face of a man who fucks

Your wife

>>155034644
He wasn't a father for her that much, he tried to make her hate him and Matusda took care of her most of the time.

>>155034688
Don't get me wrong, I think it's Yakumo's but even then you don't know how things came down to that moment.

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>>155034589
>Konatsu being an irredeemable slut like her mom

This. She didn't deserve Yotaro. He had zero obligation to become her husband so her life wouldn't spiral even more downward at that point.

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>tfw no bro to give you his qt daughteru to impregnate in your old age

>>155034742
Don't be fucking stupid.

>>155034761
*fucked
*maybe even one
*and perhaps she didn't even enjoy it

>>155034765
>he tried to make her hate him
By what, having sex with her?

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>>155034786
>daughteru thinks you killed her real parents
>fucks you anyway

>>155034685
>triggered by incest

Can you not read? Where did I say I was "triggered by incest"?

>>155034742
You must know, deep down, how delusional you sound right now

>>155034772
>He had zero obligation to become her husband
Exactly, that's why Yotaro is so best.

>>155034833
By telling her that he was responsable of the death of her parents doofus.

>>155034772
He was the one who proposed

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>>155034813

>>155034841
This is the real problem. Konatsu's lusts know no bounds, she'll even fuck her foster father who killed her parents as far as she knows.

>dead Kiku performing Jugemu for both of his children with Sukeroku and Miyokichi smiling wide

dear God

I think I have early onset Alzheimer's my memory is so shit. Was it ever stated if Miyokichi meant to kill Sukeroku and regretted it or if she meant to kill Kiku but Sukeroku intercepted the knife with his stomach?

>>155034907
Don't be fucking stupid.

>>155034877
>By telling her that he was responsable of the death of her parents doofus.
I understand that, but how exactly would that lead to them having a child together?

The author should just go back to writing yaoi

>>155034953
She meant to kill herself, but Sukeroku took the hit for her.

>>155034953
Miyokichi was confused

>>155034772
>Showa Genrocuck Racuckgo

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>>155034533
I would really love to hear what you consider a good story because anything unexpected seems to throw you for a loop to a point you can't handle it. Nothing is really a 10/10 masterpiece but you can get pretty close despite what its flaws are.

THREE GENERATIONS OF SLUTS

provided that Shin and Koyuki bang we will have FOUR GENERATIONS

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So how was the deed done? I'm thinking reverse cowgirl since Konatsu was probably the one doing all the work.

>>155035034
It's not about being something unexpected, it's about this retroactively fucking up pretty much everything. What was a healing father-daughter relationship now has sex in the mix.

And you gotta ask yourself what is gained for this epic twist? Is the story now more interesting, more compelling, more immersive? Or is it the opposite?

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>several of the main male characters are cucks
>prominent females in the series are both sluts, one with daddy issues
why are women so depraved?

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Yfw you fuck...

>Your bro's daughter
>Your apprentice's wife

>>155035124
Nothing was fucked up, if you want healing shit watch Non non biyori or other shit

>>155035139
their men work for 12 hours a day everyday

>>155034960
Because Yakumo is fucking handsome.
They both love rakugo and Yakumo was too good at it.
Even in Yakumo's story he wasn't a plain murderer, he was just a coward.
They spent too much time under the same roof.
Kiku couldn't handle Konatsu looking so much like Miyokichi and Sukeroku

>>155035124
Its more compelling because Kiku got to be gay with Sukeroku no matter what. It's storytelling Mreg, with a twist.

>>155035139
Only 1 character is a cuck

>>155035163
I didn't mean healing in that sense, I mean the relationship between them was healing.

And it makes the story worse because it's stupid and goes beyond my suspension of disbelief. The only way to explain why the characters would do this is "WELL I GUESS THEY'RE ALL MESSED UP PEOPLE LOL". How very compelling.

>>155034953
She meant to kill only herself.

>>155035124
>a healing father-daughter relationship
That wasn't their relationship until the very end.

>Konatsu bumming Kiku a lit fag back in the hospital park

Christ that's practically a kiss

>>155035256
They were messed up people from the start

>>155035124
That was one minor aspect of the show. Konatsu and Kiku was not the main fucking focus. They even made it so you can perceive it how you want. All this shows is you can't handle shit.

>>155035221
>Mreg
Are you referring to mpreg?

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So if Yakumo impregnated Konatsu, it would have happened in S1 right? Given how tense their relationship was then, it must have been some top tier fucking.

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>>155035347
Yes.

Bon made Shin his bitch.

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>>155035156
>yfw kiku is the true father

>>155035221
honestly, if the author is gonna reach that far just for fujoshit then they might as well have put a fucking kiss in at the end

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I hope Kiku is finally living together with his two loves in the afterlife.

>>155035215
>They spent too much time under the same roof.
This should have the opposite effect.

Everything else makes sense to an extent if we consider that Konatsu had an Electra complex. However, given that Yakumo indeed feels responsible for his best friend's death, it seems strange that he would want to have sex with her, even if she did have a crush on him.

>>155035139
The worst thing for a man is being a virgin, that's why you have so many anime about cute girls falling for dull-looking virgin-kun.
The worst thing for a woman is being a slut. So you have a good-looking nice guy who comes and fix slut-chan fucked up hearth.

>>155035242
Yes, __Kiku__

>>155035334
Oh cool so they didn't develop and grow now too. It just gets better and better.

>>155035418
Just ignore the delusional fujo.

>Shin calling Kiku "grandpa"

if you only knew, kid

>>155035374
I never realized it before, but this series is badly in need of erodoujin.

>>155035264
How the fuck do you mess that up so bad someone else dies?

>>155035413
Kiku was Konatsu's real father all along? The twists keep on coming.

>>155035521
Sukeroku tried to stop the suicide, and shit happened.

>>155035490
it would all be fujoshit and yotaro getting NTR'd

>>155035429
>1000 years later
>they still don't have enough money to cross the river

>>155035478
The mangaka is literally a delusional fujoshi. What were you expecting? Have you read any of her work? All her shit has explicit homolust buttfucking, even with dudes who have girlfriends on the side.

This is exactly what she wanted.

>>155035521
She literally tripped.

>>155035463
>impregnated his foster daughter
>said foster daughter now the wife of his student

How is he a cuck? Even with Miyokichi she was still in love with him despite having a husband of her own.

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Look on the bright side guys, it could've been worse. Kiku could've been the true father of Konatsu which meant he fucked his real daughter, but the mangaka spared us.

>Kiku impregnates Miyokichi
>Kiku impregnates Konatsu

if they gave him enough time he'd impregnate Koyuki as well

>>155029251
U.S.A.G.I D.R.O.P 2
I love it.

>>155035620
dont give her any ideas

>>155035620
At this point the mangaka should have gone full degenerate. Would have made it hotter desu.

>>155035620
>he doesn't know

>>155034345
Don't take it seriously, dude. The people saying women are all insane/irrational are the same faggots wishing women would find them attractive. Pathetic as fuck and unwilling to consume critically

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>>155035620
>fucked his real daughter
>worse

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I feel like a bunch of people posting here never even watched the first episode.

First Rakugo thread: https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/135844557/

>>155035585
>This is exactly what she wanted.
Repeating it won't make it true.

>>155035620
That would be even better

>>155035608
>impregnated his foster daughter
>said foster daughter becomes the wife of his student
>his student becomes the father of his son and now he has to act like his gandpa
>his student fucks his foster daughter in the other room
>his foster daughter now is pregnant of his student
>too old to even have a boner

>>155035620
Actually, that would make it okay again.

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>>155035713
I've been following since the first thread. been posting cuck memes since miyokichi appeared in season 1

>>155035713
I feel like many are new to japanese writing and the so called degeneration

>>155035713
The season was comfy and suddenly all the threads post-finale have been shitposting

>>155035753
I'm sure Kiku worked on that second pregnancy as well

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if you watch the scene Konatsu tells Yota she's pregnant, she said she came back home to tell Kiku and Matsuda. She says she doesn't want Sukeroku's blood to die out. Also, that Kiku said to do whatever you like. I think she got knocked up by some mob guy. the extra chapter doesn't help because it happens while she was still in rebellious mode and her announcement is when she was working/living somewhere else.

>>155035644
When I started watching this, I had no idea that Kiku would turn out to be a Tomaru Sawagoe.

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Now that I think about it, this would have made for a top tier hentai story.

>>155035841
>she said she came back home to tell Kiku and Matsuda.
You know women have to tell their partners that they're pregnant, right? They don't just know it.

>>155035753
That is not a cuck

>>155035823
Honestly that is fine we are done with the show so shitposters can just have the leftovers.

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>>155035720
>This was in the first episode.
Motherfucker.

>>155035841
>being this indenial

Yakumo and Konatsu fucked. It was a one time thing. Get over it.

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>>155035721
This is exactly what she wanted. She played you all.

>>155035884
oh right I forgot the discussion is over and we're meant to believe that something said to Higuchi was the truth.

>>155035918
>It was a one time thing
You don't know that.

>>155035884
She didn't live in the house anymore, living in some random place and working in the tea house where a lot of clients come and go and yakuza do dealings.

>>155035888
>fucks a girl
>loses the girl
>girl is happier with another man
>girl is fucked by other man in your own house
Are you sure?

>>155035829
Was Bro Kiku's son too? He kinda looked like him
Did Kiku went by impregnating bitches left and right?

>>155034147
Shut your fucking trap, speak for yourself only. I liked it.

>>155035753
Yotaro is the actual cuck, as he is raising another man son
But in the end they are all family so it doesn't matter

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>>155035934

>great show will never be able to be discussed in a normal way ever again because of one thing at the very end
Life is fucking pain

>>155035942
This discussion is over. The extra manga chapter confirms that the Boss didn't do it (he wouldn't, as he admits to Kiku) and that Kiku was intending to do it (I'll approach her not as a child, but as a human being).

Get over it.

>>155035989
Threads will be dead when the new season starts.

>>155035957
Yes because I know what cuck means

>>155035967
Kiku also raised other man's daughter and he didn't even got to bang Myokichi whiile doing it, he had to wait many years for that.

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>>155035934
>>155035971
>being this desperate to get a (you)

>>155035989
Can you really blame people? That's a pretty big implication to just drop casually like that in the final episode.

Still one of my favorite shows this season though.

>>155035989
except the end made it not great for many people. it's like watching an epic adventure and having the protagonist reveal he was dreaming the whole time. gives the story a completely different feel.

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>>155036018
this family photo is more accurate

>>155036039
>other man's daughter
What if she isn't?

>>155031446
>I wonder if Konatsu might have milked kiku or something without his knowledge?
I saw that alot since yesterday, is this actually possible or just an archetypal fear men have, like the fear of succubis, because of nocturnal emissions? Like, how do you even do that? Give the guys sleeping pills and then molest him in his sleep? Wouldn't that wake him up? Grill btw.

>>155036028
Illustrate us then.
inb4 lurk more

>>155036095
How many of these are actually Kiku's sons?

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>>155036045
This is exactly what the mangaka, the filthiest fujo in your wildest dreams, wanted. She played you all.

>>155036083
I assume with enough drugs you could keep the guy asleep.

>>155036057
DELET

>>155035957
What girl are you talking about?

>>155036160
Konatsu.

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>>155036131
I get that you want attention and for someone to agree with your delusions, but are you done? is it over?

>>155036048
>>155036054
I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed differently, I'm more upset about the fact it WAS a great show all things considered up until this small, horrible revelation. The whole thing sucks, not trying to excuse it

>>155036131
we all get your point, please stop replying to >>155036222's bait

>>155036095
Yotaro looked like a very cheeky brat. Higuchi was cute, his obsession with Yakumo ruined him.

>>155036222
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

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>>155036279
>someone replies after I point that no one acknowledged the delusional fujo
What a coincidence.

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>>155036222

>>155036357
You're the only one who sounds autistic

Why are you guys flipping out over Kiku fucking his best friend´s daughter? MAL is gushing and fawning over how good this is, most of them just try to not talk about this thing, but they can at least get over it, you are all acting like normalfaggots while the normalfaggots are acting like adults.

>>155036357
you do know that haruko kumota is a fujoshi right
this series you hold so dear was created by a fujoshi

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>>155036131
anon what would you recommend by this author to follow up rakugo? I really enjoyed the setting, have they done anything else in this time period?

>>155036459
Why do you ever go to MAL?
Dont tell me you checked reddit too?

>>155034576
The age gap isn't the problem, the parent-child relationship is the issue. While women may find it more reasonable for a father-daughter relationship to develop, men rarely feel the same way. That's why this sort of story is basically unheard of in male-targeted media, while it shows up often enough in female-targeted.
Asking why people don't like it when it isn't made to appeal to them is strange. Josei series are aimed at women, after all.

>>155036486
I know that she's a fujoshi, but this isn't a BL work.

>>155036572
No, they haven't.

>>155036459
It's not actually about the fact that incest exists you fucking retard, it's about how the fact that Kiku banged Konatsu all along colours their entire relationship in a different, detrimental to the series' light.

>>155036572
Depends, do you enjoy guys buttfucking other guys?

>>155036585
the subtext is BL

>>155036459
>MAL
Stopped reading right there.

>>155036631
connect the dots anon

>>155036625
>Not thinking that is hot
>>155036581
Is good to broaden the horizon, getting PoV from multiple places, is basic shit you learn in school.

>konatsu would always get angry when she was compared to her mother
now we know why

I must've missed a thread. What bonus chapter are you guys talking about?

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>>155036649

>>155036752
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17tCeZ6hVS4wRhDDvKlsYK3dnm1qhsS5oZwqXPGX4DsE/edit#heading=h.j5q31xq43z10

>>155033232
Chihaya is mildly autistic so it's just the innocent chocolate

>>155036752
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17tCeZ6hVS4wRhDDvKlsYK3dnm1qhsS5oZwqXPGX4DsE/edit

I always thought this series was pure trash. Painted Rakugo as this boring shit comedy thing only uphold for pride and tradition. Pretentious faggots pretending it´s good.

Now this happens, guy dicked his "daughter", his brother from another mother´s daughter. Fucking 10/10 solely because it´s making Raguko faggots turn into denial so damn hard is almost sad. Whenever someone brings this shit show up, I just have to point out how the MC fucked Konatsu, and they will do nothing but start mumbling and be quite. This bomb is felt everywhere. God bless the author.

>>155036768
You must be a closeted gay. The bait is nice, though.

>>155036822
edgy

>>155036822
you are so fucking cool

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>>155036830
Nope.

>>155036054

there is a small twist at the end, how amazing is that. many people are bigots, that's the real problem here.

>>155034413
>This is why I usually avoid shit written by the Japanese. It starts off strong and catches my attention, but by the end something always goes wrong. Either a plot point that wasn't needed, a revelation that wasn't necessary or it just becomes a clusterfuck.

>The only exception I can think of off the top of my head is the author of FMA.

Fixed. Male mangaka aren't immune to this shit either

I wonder about the circumstances of this whole thing. Was it just a one-time thing, or were they in a lengthy physical relationship? Did it happen spontaneously or did it happen deliberately? At what point did the relationship turn sour, and exactly why? Stuff like that.

>>155036962
well its done. the author can only make it worse if she decides to make anything else for the story.

>>155036962
Their relationship was always sour after the death of her parents. Anyways it probably a one-time thing and something neither of them wanted to talk about. The only one that knows is the Yakuza boss.

>>155036962
It's let up to you to put things together and make that story

>Dropped after season 1 thinking it was NTR with Yakuza guy
>Picked up hearing it was the old man fucking putting his baby batter in his adoptive daughter
Japan is great.

>>155036962
I'd like to imagine that Kiku got drunk one night and Konatsu made a move on him.

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>You will never have a Yakuza friend
Feels bad