Is the success of Kemono Friends proof that having good characterization and stories are more important than good animation? It's interesting how the show with the worst production values this season is the most successful.
That's not really anything new, OP.
Is this example more to your liking?
They're likeable, but they're not good characters.
Also, no, it doesn't prove anything. SAO has bad characters and story and is still one of the most successful franchises of this decade.
I'm not talking about if people have good or bad taste, it's about what sells and what doesn't. The most interesting thing about SAO, and I'm talking without watching past the first half, is the characters and their different relationships, the rest, the setting, the games and so, excluding maybe the battles, are all shit. And that shit sold.
What's interesting about SAO characters?
I can also have Infinite Stratos as a counterargument to OP's statement. Popularity is never an indicator of wether the writing is good or not.
I somewhat like Kemono but come on now.
I think it's proof that it's completely random what becomes popular - it's just some sort of meme magic. Or rather it's not really factors that people are fully aware of yet and manage to make it by chance - also others who try to imitate will probably fail.
I think it's pretty decent but there is absolutely nothing that makes so much better than anything else that is proportionate to the popularity difference. Was going to also say that it's just Japs having retarded tastes but then I remembered we had mlp getting randomly extremely popular so it must be a global phenomena.
If animation is all that matter, dragon dentist and fliflop would have been highly celebrated.
Basically you need quality over substance and it need to entertain and create fun. What is the point in watching something that look good and cool if it is doesn't entertain?
I'm not exactly sure what your argument here is, that it's not a series that makes you feel good? Sure, the last episode was tense but it doesn't change the fact it's obviously a feel-good type of series.
FF was good though. Japanese are just retards.
KF got only popular because it wasn't an original and had a game. KF was popular from ep1 in Japan.
FF wasn't popular because those retards couldn't meme and bandwagon it.
Like Touhou and Kancercolle got only so popular for all the retards bandwagonning them to fit in and to spam epic memes.
also artists are massive attention whoring autists, once they start drawing pictures of it all the retards will flock to it
it's enough if some popular artist draws something then all the other loser artists will bandwagon it for attention
and porn will draw in even more retards, like with Kancolle
I mean people were posting how the Futaba threads were hitting 2000 posts since the start.
Also once artists start making pictures and porn it gets automatically popular no matter the quality of the source. See Kancolle, only popular because of art and porn, the game is utter piece of shit
I think it's a chicken/egg type of a question. Regarding Kancolle, the gameplay is simple and addictive: you can call it "shit" and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, but it definitely is a game that the masses find entertaining. I don't really think it's popular only because art and porn, they rather serve as a boost for something already popular.
People forget that it's one of those series with tons of characters that have various designs like Kancolle or that fujo analog with swords. Not to mention monster grils are pretty popualr right now. Not saying it's a bad show, but it's clear that it's mostly popular thanks to the visual part.
Well Kancercolle got popular on its own first but would be forgotten after few months. The porn draws in lots of retards who don't even know the game exists. Th fan crap keeps the franchise alive while no one gives a fuck about the game.
The same with Touhou. It's being kept alive by art and fan crap.
Waifushit keeps them alive, that's all the retards care about.
>there are people that think the CG in GuP is ugly
A good character is defined by their motives, not by their quirks.
That is why Kemono Friends has good characters. All of the characters have some clear defined motive, something that they want or are trying to accomplish, and barriers to it, in addition to having their own unique personalities and such.
It's a pretty simple thing but it's also something a lot of shows just don't even bother with. Take Little Witch Academia for example. It's a good example because it too has a large cast of quirky characters. Now consider something like Beaver and Prairie Dog. Prairie Dog likes digging holes and has a lot of energy, but tends to go overboard. Beaver lacks confidence and has a fear of failure that prevents her from starting anything. So Kaban helps them work together to achieve their goals, which are equally simple - they want a home to live in. They discover through her aid that they don't necessarily need to overcome these deficiencies as long as they are willing to rely on others. It's not Shakespeare, but it doesn't have to be. It's JUST enough to make that whole episode enjoyable and to make you like those characters and care about them.
Now look at Little Witch Academia. Sucy likes le mushrooms. Mushrooms are what she likes. Why? Because she likes to make potions. Why? I guess it doesn't matter at that point. This is just simply all there is to Sucy, she doesn't seem like a real person, just a one-note gag. The same can be said of practically all the other characters with the possible exception of Akko, who at least has an underdog story going on where she wants to be like her hero. But the story itself doesn't focus on the characters and their wants and needs the way Kemono Friends does. Instead it focuses on making light of their quirks. Akko is clumsy, Sucy likes le mushrooms, Lotte isn't much of anything, Constanze is a greasemonkey, and so on. That's lack of characterization.
>A good character is defined by their motives
This isn't something universal though. Kemono friends lacks a lot of traits you could also consider good characterization. The characters aren't realistic, they don't feel like real beings. They lack very basic character depth. There's pretty much nothing else than quirks defining the cast. The fact character is defined by his/her motive doesn't automatically mean the character is well written.
Now all this is arguable as Kemono Friends obviously doesn't intend to write compelling characters. It's an adventure show for children and manchildren. They work in the context they've been given. But regardless, I still wouldn't consider them good characters, more like functional tools.
>A good character is defined by their motives
No he isn't. By that that logic, you can call any hothead battle shounen MC who wants to mamoru his nakama "good". The motive is never enough to call character good.
Kemono Friends is minimalist, which is appealing. The characters don't have to have in-depth backstories or struggles to act as filler. What mystery there is is a driving force of the plot.
>I might argue that one thing battle shounens tend to do well is characterization.
In what way? Most of the battle shounen MC "characterization" is basically "good guy with a heart of gold who wants to protect his friends". It's not a good characterization, it's a low effort, cheap trick used the authors who don't want(or able) to write something that actually takes some skill.
This is how I can tell you're underage or retarded. Nier's story is puddle deep existentialism that you armchair psychiatrists jerk off over because it makes you feel intelligent.
Maybe, but I somehow really pity the guys from Hand Shakers. They air in the same hour iirc.
Good for KF, there's nothing wrong with any anime becoming popular (other than discussion getting worse, but eh).
Except Kemono Friends has extremely high chance to succeed in what Kancolle failed miserably, i.e. to become franchise with non-H fan content prevailing over H.
I really hope it will become something like 2hu where people can create and share comics about characters, their stories and adventures. Not a porn dumpster like Kancolle.
>I really hope it will become something like 2hu where people can create and share comics about characters, their stories and adventures.
It's fucking incredible that you retards think it's going to take off like this. Wait until it ends and watch as the popularity plummets. It could even get a second season and it won't have staying power.
Not sure about episode 1 but after 2 it was just people spamming the tanoshi and sugoi meme. This meme and the "your iq will go down watching this show" that derived from it are probably the main reason the anime became viral. Of course, if the show was bad it would have ended at that, but let's not act writing was the main reason it's a hit.
I'm not the anon you're quoting by the way, it definitely wasn't popular from the start.
>missing the point completely
You're retarded here. I was comparing it to 2hu in terms of proportion of H to non-H doujins and fan-art. Go to fucking sanpanda, for 2hu it's like 50/50 (compared to 90/10 in kancolle).
>it won't have staying power.
Yeap, I heard the same about kancolle. But if retards like you ever knew how japanese artistic community works you would never say that.
>at an actual writing level, no
I wish you faggots would stop acting like "good writing" is some transcendent concept that has only ever been achieved by Chaucer and Shakespeare and Milton. We aren't comparing it to literature, we're comparing it to pop culture.
Nice assumptions. You're purposely comparing it to garbage so you can claim it's exceptional. You don't need to read classic literature to know good writing, you just need to read literature to begin with instead of playing video games for stories.
I remember faggots like you said the same thing about YOI but look where we are
>i.e. to become franchise with non-H fan content prevailing over H.
You really don't know what you're talking about. The majority of KanColle doujins are non-h, they just don't make it to the panda.
Only edgy teenagers think its a meme show due to their frustration at not understanding the most competently constructed narrative of any TV anime this year. Hence they get mad at its popularity and make accusations of furry fetishes, mlp comparisons etc.
Im never taking what /a/ says seriously because most of the time they're fucking wrong.
when faggots said YOI will fail or flop it bit them in the ass hard. I don't really give a shit about YOI but the salt the sales garnered was hilarious.
>Hestia and Rem
Do people really not understand the difference? It was already pointed out in 5th post >>154927874 in this very thread. The difference is that there is zero space for liberty and artistic expression with those 2 characters. They live in strictly defined world within strictly defined story interacting with limited number of other characters. Porn is literally the oly thing you can do with them.
But with KF characters artists can fill in the gaps. They already have shitton of 4komas and fan art with some context.
I highly doubt producers will decide to abandon this franchise and stop making new content. Another season in a year should be enough to maintain at least some level of popularity. For example Touhou was blooming with one main game every other year and some fillers in-between.
>Madoka meme twist
You mean the thing that didn't happen till the penultimate episode and had actual setup all the way from episode 1?
I guess everyone watching KF just has time machines then.
Imagine KF with all human characters like Kaban instead of animals, do you really think it would get so popular?
90% of the appeal of this show is variety of cute monster girls
here's the actual reason that isn't fucking retarded
>act like said animals
>facts about said animals
>unfolding mystery about the world
the memes were just the icing on the cake buddy
And yet those "shallow characters" are more popular than KF will ever be. Guess they won this one.
>Another season in a year
Will it be called "Kemono What?"? Because by then it will be the general consensus.
>The majority of KanColle doujins are non-h, they just don't make it to the panda.
And also never making it to melonbooks and other doujin distribution platforms. never get any previews on pixiv, right? Thousands of mysterious non-h douikns no one ever heard or saw about.
I thought this stupid meme died already. Even most autistic kancolle fans admit that even though situation changed a little lately it's still just mostly porn.
Friendly reminder that defending anything on /a/ won't due shit, because the person you're arguing with won't be convinced by your arguments, as they came here solely for shitposting.
Be smart and save your time. You might as well watch some show, read something, go for a walk and I'm sure your time will be will be way more productive than it is right now. Thank you.
The best part of these threads is going to be seeing the end and how the series eventually but quickly ceases altogether despite all the desperate arguments saying it will have staying power.
The best part of these threads is seeing faggots like you get proven wrong.
just like the YOI shitshow.
So are you really implying that visual media can be compared to purely text-based on a sheer quality spectrum? Do you think movies would be better if every visible detail was also described by a narrator? Obviously the requirements for good writing are lower, but that doesn't mean it's either unimportant or impossible to discuss in these contexts.
Anyways, give me three examples of good writing from this current season of anime.
Less than 10% of Touhou fanarts and doujins are porn.
It's just so fucking big that there are still mountains of porn.
I prefer the way the character models look to the official art, actually.
I think it's an extremely visually appealing production overall with the exception of the rough animation (by that I mean the way characters and objects move, specifically).
>good writing from this current season of anime
We're not discussing the writing in anime, we're discussing good writing altogether. Something you will rarely find in anime as a medium to begin with.
Well, the movie had a much bigger budget for animation and looks in general. Just compare the backgrounds in the series and the movie. In the series, they have something like recycled 2008 video game textures, and in the movie, they show gorgeous sceneries.
>trying to summon Barneyfag on /a/
>this entire thread
this shit is going to be the entire ordeal with YOI with its explosive popularity isn't it?
When the sales for KF come out it's going to be another shitstorm,
I await that day eagerly
Congratulations on missing the context of the argument. Which season exactly do you think LL, GuP and YoI aired? Here's a hint: it's not the same season as those shows listed.
Not him, but you're very ignorant of how that maket works, especially when it comes to fujo show.
Good things are good, yes, but definitely part of the sensation behind this is that it was unexpected. The series is certainly good, but what elevated it to mass popularity is that it is good in spite of people thinking it would be trash.
say what you want
still the most popular show this year
>meme! meme! meme!
learn new words you dumbasses
Its more unexpected. It has decent characters and ok writing for something everyone thought was trash.
It will balloon into a rwby tier shitshow for 3 seasons then fade into nothing as culture continues to change and advance more rapidly than during 2hus premier thanks to mass connectivity.
>fans call each other friends instead of the horse equivalent
>surge of art and crossover art with everything
>colorful feel-good show that appeals to all ages
Yeah it's all there
>retards still think it won't leave an impact
when episode 11 aired, it trended worldwide
Like I said before this level of denial and retardation is the exact repeat of the YOI.
The animation isn't good, the direction, however, definitely is.
The animation pretty much CAN'T be good. The budget was too little. The director uses the poor animation to his advantage, though.
Also I think the models look very cute
No, I'm arguing the original point which is "Show me a recent season where this (a generic shounen or LN) is the most popular anime of the season" and I did just that. Don't try to move the goalposts.
here's the nips reaction to episode 11 when that scene happened,
shit fucking exploded like a nuke,
two wasn't enough
Not this shit again. You literally know nothing.
Touhou left Comiket by itself thanks to Reitaisai and other big 2hu only cons.
The annual number of doujins is almost the same it was in 2012.
>he got that from that anons statement
Holy shit maybe you really do need to be beheaded. Stop emotionally defending the series because it made your fat heart move a little and go outside or something bro.
To be fair, ponies are like tier 4/5.
I draw my line at 1.
>BD's are out od stock everywhere
That's because they weren't expecting it to get so popular so of course they didn't prepare many BDs in the first place. And getting BDs on sale is a slow process, especially in their situation
That's not even the half of it. Last I saw it had 48k tweets It probably even got to 60K and then there's the Katakana version and Kemono friends dominating the Japanese Trends with everything but 2 were KF related.
No, because you can't capture good direction in a still, and you must think we were born yesterday and don't recognize obvious "I'm going to shitpost no matter what because I already made my mind up" behavior.
>fans call each others juggalo
>"mature" (read: cringeworthy) lyrics
>surge of clown cosplay
>theatrical 'edgy' that actually appeals to everyone
Yeah it's all Insane Clown Posse mang.
Well, good to know who's hating this show.
>The same with Touhou. It's being kept alive by art and fan crap.
Touhou is still something that quickly sells out with new media releases of the source material, Touhou actually has a good and untarnished base, and Touhou generally has a lot of respect.
There's a lot of fandom stuff but it wouldn't died fucking ages ago if it was just fan stuff keeping it alive.
Again, look at sales numbers from their seasons.
Stop trying to force this other argument. I literally do not give a shit that you want to argue about how LL or GuP or whatever other series is more popular.
>CG anime will be even more popular now
Fuck Japan. Surgical friends was the superior friends show anyway.
I dunno about all of that, but I think "good character" can mean a lot of things. In KF's case, it's that they're consistent with the animals they're based on, they're likable, and they're a bit quirky without being overwhelmed by their quirks. The owls, for instance, are all about being "wise", which results in them being rude and a bit pompous, but also a little like baka-cute.
The MC, Kaban, is also a classically good character.
>faggots can't bandwagon KF after it steam rolls their AOTS because it's in CGI
I love CG now
I'm starting to think it's YOI fujos devastated that their precious gay shit got raped by an all girl yuri anime just a season later.
>Explain why the newer games are so unpopular then?
How does selling out day 1 = unpopular?
And of course new characters aren't going to be as popular as characters that are 15 years old. Are you stupid?
>shitposter got blown the fuck out and got proven wrong
>tries to use the "P-please explain why" or "p-point to the direction"
>only proved that he didn't watch said show
jesus christ this entire thread is a fucking mess
>2hushits still trying to say they're relevant after they got steamrolled by KC and Granblue
Reitaisai, the largest Touhou con has been held two times a year since 2014, instead of a single time like it used to be. There is also a lot of smaller events and music festivals. Touhou is still strong, it's just less represented at Comiket.
Just realized Arai-San is smiling when she is supine. Obviously the director would have noticed this, but rather than tell the animators "fix it," he leaves it alone since it now looks like Arai is laughing at herself for how foolish she just made herself look
YOI never got the hardcore otaku market segment. It wasn't popular on both futaba or 2ch. This hit every demographics out there except for the chuunifags.
Yeah I know but the difference is that KF is only big in japan, even more so than YOI
YOI in japan was quite big in japan but it resonated more with normies in the west.
this entire thread is just a repeat of denial about the sudden popularity of underdog series and faggots saying "IT'LL FLOP FOR SURE, IT'LL LOSE POPULARITY"
Kemono Friends is the perfect and most conclusive test for me for whether someone is an interesting person with good taste and ability to discuss the relative merits of a series in constructive terms that I'll probably enjoy talking with, or if they're just another waste of space who lets themselves be led by the nose by popularity cliques from season to season without ever learning how to form a real opinion themselves and thinks fanatical adherence to this pattern somehow establishes credibility.
Shit like this is part of the reason I live this show. The fanart it has inspired...
The Japs definitely call each other Friends, just much less than the West. We probably find it more amusing, but during the explosion of popularity "Friends Friend Friends" was all over my twitter feed.
Can you imagine how great it must be for you and a rag-tag team of animators making a tiny-budget anime based on your failed mobile game and having it inspire this degree of fan tribute?
I can't wait to see the sales numbers on KF,
if episode 11 caused this much butthurt and spawned threads like these then imagine when the sales numbers comeout
it'll be just like the YOI shitstorm but on a grander scale because the anime is CG and most people on /a/ or anime fans in general hate CG.
I love KF though, it's pretty good if you can get past it's shit models and mediocre animation.
Even in Japan Kemono Friends is a slow burner because the "What is this ugly shit? It can't possibly be good" attitude isn't limited to the West. Anime otaku themselves are skeptical before watching it. But in the long run I think it might become CCS/Madoka level in terms of lasting impression on the anime fans.
I ain't /v/ kun but you know it's true, it's going to be the same shit all over,
im fucking ecstatic about how many anons will be proven wrong and when I look back at these threads i'll find it absolutely tanoshii to laugh at them,
sorta like this anon right here >>154935216
>I ain't /v/ kun
Your way of posting makes it too obvious that you're cancer that came here not too long ago.
/a/'s own internal survey indicates that only
Friendsaged 30 or older likes this show.
The show's producer also stated that he make a show that's like watching your daughter in a peaceful world.
So the same image pops up on an anonymous image board? What a shocker.
Also I don't hate KF anon, I love it.
I'm just pointing out the amount of hate threads episode 11 garnered because the show was off the shitposters radar for a good while.
KF 11 trending worldwide on twitter probably caught most of their attention and most of them are denying the shows lasting appeal or how it got popular in the first place
It's not the the same image, newfag, it's the filename. Not to mention the content of the said posts.
And? I could do the same shit with your image right now and search the image hash.
But besides that I'm sad that there's one episode left, the threads for KF have been a blast with cool animal facts and other shit, I'll be sad to see it go.
I will never get tired of seeing Flip Flappers fans get mad their awful on all levels show failed and is universally hated. All of this show's hate seems to stem from them and I love their tears. This is an actually good show with effort put in, not pretentious fetish shit.
>This is an actually good show with effort put in
There's a video on Nico that parodies an episode of Darwin ga Kita! (Darwin is Here!, basically Japan's version of Animal Planet) with Serval's opening scene and it actually shows that the animation staff put a lot of thought into making Serval-chan move like the real animal.
Eh, I think it'd be easy to set up a new mysteries for a 2nd season. Just introduce a new island. It'd get old if they did it a 3rd time, but at least a 2nd season is easily feasible following the same format.
The difference is that I didn't search it by image hash, I searched it by the filename which is unique every time you save image from 4chan. And again, look at those(your) posts in the archive, almost all of them have lowercase sentences, just like the posts you made ITT until you started replying to me.
Nothing, it's at the very least a decent show. But a bunch of anons seemed to have deluded themselves into thinking it was a masterpiece because they wanted it to be one since the first few episodes, or at least that's the impression they give and they were hated for that, even if they weren't really that annoying.
You sure do after getting BTFO so hard.
Very poorly implemented story.
And as anon above said, some anons consider it a masterpiece, it kinda flopped and they became massively butthurt about it shitting on everything more successful.
Space Dandy did what Flip Flappers was supposed to be.
It's ok to think Flip Flap was great, different opinions etc. The annoying part was that some Flipflapfags didn't seem genuine but were rather taking a stand for the sake of feeling like elitists.
the most important things are characterisation, story and substance imo.
the animation is the icing on the cake. KF lacks good animation but makes up for it in everything else, I just hope there won't be a dub.
Yuri was baited bit like usual it was degenerate pandering and it ended in het, but its two fans denied it. 2ch hated it and used it as a metric for awfulness all season. It's Pupa level.
Kancolle is declining though because its actual source material is just a shitty browser game and if Kadokawa decides that it's not profitable enough then they'll just pull the plug and it'll all be over.
ZUN will probably keep on making Touhou games until the day he dies of liver failure
Who in their right minds bought that series?
People got butthurt that it actually turned out to have PLOT instead of just being fun episodic adventures
I meant the underlying dark tones seen in the show and how it forshadowed humans being extinct long ago,
theres also hidden details in backgrounds that I really enjoy digging out.
like those stealth bombers
also iirc BOSS played a recording of another human back in episode 1 but then she got revealed in episode 10.
it's simple in nature but the world is full of mystery and is interesting enough on its own.
I think you got me confused for /v/ kun though thanks to that image I posted, pls no bully
Is the success of Konosuba proof that having good characterization and stories are more important than good animation? It's interesting how the show with the worst production values this season is the most successful.
>I think you got me confused for /v/ kun though thanks to that image I posted, pls no bully
theres a download image button you know that saves the exact filename right?
also I explained why KF has good substance
>welcome to youkoso japari park
>welcome to welcome to japari park
You wanna know why KF is so popular? Especially with oldfags? It's precisely because of how low-key, unpretentious, simplistic (at first glance) it is. But not just that: It's the perfect storm of coming at just the right time when the anime industry, and its fans, are suffering from incredible FATIGUE. When you've seen so many climactic fight sequences over the years, so many shounen powerups, so many shoujo transformation scenes, so many seinen thrillers and heartbreaking romance dramas and over-the-top pandering comedic parody extravaganzas, it all bleeds together into one big assault on the senses.
Kemono Friends is a breath of fresh air. It steps back from the whole scene and strips away all unnecessary elements. It just tells a very basic story, in a very genuine, heartfelt way. It touches all the right emotions without ever trying too hard to sell itself. The "crude" CG plays directly into this. You can call it just low budget, and there's certainly truth to this, but I believe there's also some truth that the director knew what he was doing developing this style. KF is a palette cleanser. It's so "different" and yet nostalgic and clean and refreshing, the art style and the story blend together to just feel charming and childlike and it makes you feel that sense of wonder and magic over innocent adventure again. Then after drawing you in it hits you with that one-two punch right in the heart in episode 11, but it still feels genuine and true and not forced melodrama or edginess like another show might do. So now our hearts are being held firmly in this series grip and we're all waiting for the last episode to bring the blessed catharsis we've needed from this industry for decades now. I'm not trying to be overly critical, but I truly believe that if you don't like Kemono Friends, it's probably literally because you haven't watched enough anime yet to need it.
ok sorry for all that rambling shit, I've been pondering these ideas for a while and still trying to distill them to the most eloquent form, and i'm about to fall asleep so I'll just leave them all spilled out like this, goodnight /a/.
Moist eyes became tears, then crying, then sobbing. Not in sadness or even just in happiness, the reasons I might usually cry. This was an emotional release directed at the overwhelming and joyous realization of the very existence of the thing. At the very fact that this show is real, exists within our world, and is now part of my life. That every single hope and worry I’d poured into it for 12 weeks had been accepted and rewarded tenfold, a thousandfold, a millionfold beyond anything I could have dreamed. I cannot do it justice in words. No show has ever elicited the same feeling. Perhaps no show ever will again.
This is it. This is my favorite thing. What a feeling. What a show. What an experience.
Fucking /thread, also this line in pic related just elevated the series as one of my favourites
Not that anon but who gives a shit about /v/ kun, you're probably giving him more attention right now.
>Hestia and Rem alone got more art in the similar time span on their own than KF got with all their characters combined.
>ヘスティア tag on pixiv
>けものフレンズ tag on pixiv
>he doesn't like lowercase/no-terminator punctuation posting
what a strange meme, it's almost like you're completely unaware that there are colloquial styles of typing that can be used intentionally or intuitively to project a certain tone to one's writing that mere words and sentence structure cannot convey
>genuine and true
There are plenty other shows that are genuine and true. The fact that you're singularly focused on this show to look for sincere artistic expression proves how cancerous the show is.
It's a gimmick to optimize for shock value, like Madoka did with episode 3. Building up cute characters and then killing them off then? Oh wow how innovative.
>Building up cute characters and then killing them off then? Oh wow how innovative.
They didn't even do that till this week's episode and it was still well received before then
>to project a certain tone to one's writing that mere words and sentence structure cannot convey
Strong retardation? Not even the anon you're having your sissy fit with, but the fact you're purposefully not capitalizing makes you the equivalent of teenage phone-poster.
This show's main appeal is animal waifus and setting. Everything else is extremely simple
I love how mad this show makes anti-yurifags, fujoshits and manime autists.
It's amazing to behold.
Madoka built up cute characters and killed them off for shock value and "look at how edgy we are, we're deconstructing mahou shoujo, did we just blow your minds?" KF literally couldn't be further from that. Besides the fact we already know in advance the show is destined for a happy end, the loss we experience getting there is presented as proof of the trust and gratitude between the characters, their personal growth and development due to the friendship they shared, and the sacrifice they're willing to make for that bond. THIS is the difference between a "genuine" story, and the grimdark suffering-for-suffering's sake the market's grown exhausted from.
It's an anime show with a good setting, direction riddled with animal girls that are simplistic in nature.
The main fact of the matter is that the show is CG and it's making a lot of anons question why it's popular. The way it looked at first made many people ignore it but then the episode 3 & 4 boom happened which made people question it even more.
>look at how edgy we are, we're deconstructing mahou shoujo, did we just blow your minds
It's not that bad. The counter-reaction is just strong because the fanbase pushes it too hard as a masterpiece. I didn't think Madoka was "edgy" as character dying doesn't mean it's automatically worthy a buzzword.
Yeah but most comments I see is just "the show looks bad so why is it popular" etc.
Not that anon again but why do you keep on replying to him? It makes both of you retarded.
Where is the "yuri shows don't sell" crowd now?
This shit had three on screen kisses.
That's just how some animals show affection. It wasn't anything lewd.
The threads on /a/ are literal cancer and it has a certain reputation for being super mature deep masterpiece in some normalfag communities.
Don't ask how I know.It's a fun series, but once popularity passes a certain point it always brings obnoxious people.
Well that "Anger" makes you just as retarded as the lower-case anon.
Just don't stoop to his level anon
Hoo boy, the porn Touhou and KF gets is eggcellent. There isn't a single 2hu or Friend I haven't considered fapping to.
>It's not a yuri show, come on.
>YOI has an off-screen implied kiss
>OMG this is so gay! Canon homos!
>KF has three long on screen kisses
>one with deep tongue play
>dude, that's not yuri
While there is a Kancolle/Touhou-like element to the series' inception (they basically asked Mine to develop a bunch of cute animal girls and he sure as hell delivered, and then some), I think they did a pretty good job in the anime of limiting themselves to small clusters per episode that work really well with each other. What makes them so cute isn't just their individual looks or personalities but the chemistry they have with each other, many episodes feature a really strong complementary pairing that develops between the beginning and end of their appearance, and they all learn something from the main characters, or vice versa. There's some shaky steps in the first couple episodes as the director/staff experiments with what works, but they really hit their stride by the third.
Last time I checked it was some namefaggotry drama fights and just your regular "which girl would you fuq" circlejerk general which nowadays is close bannable offense. Haven't posted there nearly enough to get the big picture so the truth might be different of course, but that's pretty much the impression I left with.
In one episode it had a prairie dog do its prairie dog thing and had hints of Prairie Dog x Beaver.
Yuri that does not make. It's like saying a series is a romance because one episode had a side couple.
I don't know how to tell you this anon, gay character doesn't mean the entire series is thematically about gay people. KF could have girls having on-screen steamy lesbian sex and unless it was a plot relevant development instead of passing scene, it wouldn't make the series gay.
>best show of the season is also the most popular by a landslide
And they would be wrong.
Fanartists always do as they please. You'd think Touhou was a yuri series because of the fanartists and LORD KNOWS it ain't. It's vastly asexual and if any relationships are hinted they're heterosexual ones. There are characters who have canonically had sex and children/are married.
>If Bag was male people would be calling it a harem show.
And it could be, as "harem" as a word doesn't actually imply romantic involvement.
And in other news, the fact fans like to obsess over gay shit doesn't mean the series and the content is actually gay. You can have hundreds and thousands of lewd yuri artpieces and that doesn't in any way reflect the series or its intentions, just the mindset of the fans. This shouldn't be new.
Yeah, fan art aside, for all that this show is 100% female give or take the robot (arguably), it feels like they did a good job making everything cute-not-lewd. Prairie Dog's kissing is based completely on the actual animal's behavior and played for laughs. Lion and Moose have a rivalry based on mutual admiration whose "yuri" undertones are subtle and delicate. Foxes are sisters, and onsen scenes are obligatory.
Really the ONLY thing in the entire series that felt like "yuri pandering", in my opinion, is that first scene in ep 1 where Serval tackles Kaban and is panting over her. When I first saw that, I thought "Oh, it's going to be one of these, huh?" But then that was it. Everything after that felt much more cute and natural.
I actually liked how the foxes didn't come off as a yuri couple, and more like sisters. Wolf and Giraffe are a bit of a stretch as well. Of course, there's also Margay, but yuri's hardly yuri if there's no partner.
Really, the biggest yuri out of this show are Prairie Dog and Beaver, Moose and Lion, and Kaban and Serval. The latter of course being the more consequential and encompassing, since it's the two main characters.
Although personally, I thought Monkey and Bear would also be up there, but they're overshadowed by the episode they debuted in.
It doesn't need to be some 100% canon set in stone thing for the show to be considered yuri.
Seriously, Index had like 40 volumes and there was less romantic development between Touma and any of the girls than between Serval and Bag in 11 episodes.
>It doesn't need to be some 100% canon set in stone thing for the show to be considered yuri.
I don't think I was implying that it had to be.
I do think there's a line between a healthy amount of goggle-wearing and complete crack.
Although maybe some people might think that where my goggles are is crack, so I dunno.
All-girls show = yurishit
All-boys show = fujoshit
No matter what they do on screen, no matter what reason you may have to justify it, /a/ will never ever get out of these stigmas.
There's literally nothing wrong with yuri, as long as it's not the (almost completely extinct) female orientated, ugly, progressive romance crap.
But kids will always use it as an absolute negative, since it doesn't have their self-insert faggot, and they also associate yuri with american bulldykes.
The truest post on /a/ right now.
But it's fun to argue against someone. Not only will it teach you about communication, but in best possible scenarios about constructing an argument and detecting when someone is full of shit. The skills you learn here can be applied directly to your real life, with the difference that your vocabulary must be more politically correct.
I know this is a bait but if you for example call someone a faggot in academic environment that's pretty much it. This is also pretty much the reason why people think shitposting is a waste of time, they cannot adapt the skillset properly to context.
>yurishitters are latching onto this FOTM CG garbage anime because it has a cult fanbase of Japanese contrarians
>because meme dragon flopped and they can't shill it anymore and kyoanus
>yuri can only be porn
Oh you silly anon.