Is the success of Kemono Friends proof that having good characterization

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>>154927727
That's not really anything new, OP.

>>154927792
The original Gundam series still had good scenes though.

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>>154927805
Is this example more to your liking?

Not only that. You also need an abundant variety of cute girls and a relatively ambiguous setting people can riff upon really hard.

>>154927865
Not really. GuP made good use of the flexibility afforded by CG by creating interesting battles despite the ugly looks. Also, it had some nice 2D character animation.

>>154927727
characters are obviously more sellable than anime itself so there goes the trend. Just like why music industry are selling artists

>>154927727
I agree with this. My two favourites of this season are KF and Akiba Strip. Everythin else is mediocre at best.

>>154927727
They're likeable, but they're not good characters.
Also, no, it doesn't prove anything. SAO has bad characters and story and is still one of the most successful franchises of this decade.

>>154928861
>SAO has bad characters and story
But the fans seem to love the characters though.

>>154928898
And? People with bad taste are nothing new.

Kemono Friend animation and visual direction are good, the only "bad" thing is how ugly it looks.

>>154929041
I'm not talking about if people have good or bad taste, it's about what sells and what doesn't. The most interesting thing about SAO, and I'm talking without watching past the first half, is the characters and their different relationships, the rest, the setting, the games and so, excluding maybe the battles, are all shit. And that shit sold.

>>154929253
>is the characters and their different relationships
Anon, please, it is pretty much the girl of the week with the MC for the first half. No different relationships at all.

>>154929234
Tastes, I find the models themselves pretty good looking. There's a bunch of ugly shots mostly with the limbs, but the faces are fine.

>>154929253
What's interesting about SAO characters?
I can also have Infinite Stratos as a counterargument to OP's statement. Popularity is never an indicator of wether the writing is good or not.

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>>154927727
>Good characterization
I somewhat like Kemono but come on now.

>>154927727
I think it's proof that it's completely random what becomes popular - it's just some sort of meme magic. Or rather it's not really factors that people are fully aware of yet and manage to make it by chance - also others who try to imitate will probably fail.

I think it's pretty decent but there is absolutely nothing that makes so much better than anything else that is proportionate to the popularity difference. Was going to also say that it's just Japs having retarded tastes but then I remembered we had mlp getting randomly extremely popular so it must be a global phenomena.

>>154929774
every character is unique and interesting

>>154929997
They barely even have personality. Most of the "characterization" is just how they have animal outfits.

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>>154929997
They're simple. Calling them interesting is an insult to actually interesting characters.

>>154930217
You're just confused by the fact the fun and happy characters and tone make you feel good, wanting to link positive traits to something you like. It's understandable.

>>154930260
Not that anon, but you most likely don't watch the show, just looked at some screenshots or webms.

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If animation is all that matter, dragon dentist and fliflop would have been highly celebrated.

Basically you need quality over substance and it need to entertain and create fun. What is the point in watching something that look good and cool if it is doesn't entertain?

>>154930291
I'm not exactly sure what your argument here is, that it's not a series that makes you feel good? Sure, the last episode was tense but it doesn't change the fact it's obviously a feel-good type of series.

The best part about kemomo friends is the effort the staff put into the show. They probably expected this to to be the final nail in the coffin for the franchise, so to speak.

>>154930329
FF was good though. Japanese are just retards.
KF got only popular because it wasn't an original and had a game. KF was popular from ep1 in Japan.
FF wasn't popular because those retards couldn't meme and bandwagon it.
Like Touhou and Kancercolle got only so popular for all the retards bandwagonning them to fit in and to spam epic memes.

>>154930754
>KF was popular from ep1 in Japan.
>>154929240

>>154930754
>>154930329
also artists are massive attention whoring autists, once they start drawing pictures of it all the retards will flock to it
it's enough if some popular artist draws something then all the other loser artists will bandwagon it for attention
and porn will draw in even more retards, like with Kancolle

>>154927727
Kemono Friends is kino.

>>154930840
I mean people were posting how the Futaba threads were hitting 2000 posts since the start.
Also once artists start making pictures and porn it gets automatically popular no matter the quality of the source. See Kancolle, only popular because of art and porn, the game is utter piece of shit

>>154930922
I think it's a chicken/egg type of a question. Regarding Kancolle, the gameplay is simple and addictive: you can call it "shit" and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, but it definitely is a game that the masses find entertaining. I don't really think it's popular only because art and porn, they rather serve as a boost for something already popular.

>>154930754
>>154930922
This.
People forget that it's one of those series with tons of characters that have various designs like Kancolle or that fujo analog with swords. Not to mention monster grils are pretty popualr right now. Not saying it's a bad show, but it's clear that it's mostly popular thanks to the visual part.

>>154931010
Well Kancercolle got popular on its own first but would be forgotten after few months. The porn draws in lots of retards who don't even know the game exists. Th fan crap keeps the franchise alive while no one gives a fuck about the game.
The same with Touhou. It's being kept alive by art and fan crap.
Waifushit keeps them alive, that's all the retards care about.

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>>154927976
>there are people that think the CG in GuP is ugly

>>154931146
1. that's the movie
2. it doesn't look very good
looks like WOT on low settings

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>>154927727

A good character is defined by their motives, not by their quirks.

That is why Kemono Friends has good characters. All of the characters have some clear defined motive, something that they want or are trying to accomplish, and barriers to it, in addition to having their own unique personalities and such.

It's a pretty simple thing but it's also something a lot of shows just don't even bother with. Take Little Witch Academia for example. It's a good example because it too has a large cast of quirky characters. Now consider something like Beaver and Prairie Dog. Prairie Dog likes digging holes and has a lot of energy, but tends to go overboard. Beaver lacks confidence and has a fear of failure that prevents her from starting anything. So Kaban helps them work together to achieve their goals, which are equally simple - they want a home to live in. They discover through her aid that they don't necessarily need to overcome these deficiencies as long as they are willing to rely on others. It's not Shakespeare, but it doesn't have to be. It's JUST enough to make that whole episode enjoyable and to make you like those characters and care about them.

Now look at Little Witch Academia. Sucy likes le mushrooms. Mushrooms are what she likes. Why? Because she likes to make potions. Why? I guess it doesn't matter at that point. This is just simply all there is to Sucy, she doesn't seem like a real person, just a one-note gag. The same can be said of practically all the other characters with the possible exception of Akko, who at least has an underdog story going on where she wants to be like her hero. But the story itself doesn't focus on the characters and their wants and needs the way Kemono Friends does. Instead it focuses on making light of their quirks. Akko is clumsy, Sucy likes le mushrooms, Lotte isn't much of anything, Constanze is a greasemonkey, and so on. That's lack of characterization.

>>154931146
CG looks always jarring when used with 2D. GuP is no exception.

>>154931338
Naruto wanted to become hokage, does it make him a good character?

>>154931338
>A good character is defined by their motives
This isn't something universal though. Kemono friends lacks a lot of traits you could also consider good characterization. The characters aren't realistic, they don't feel like real beings. They lack very basic character depth. There's pretty much nothing else than quirks defining the cast. The fact character is defined by his/her motive doesn't automatically mean the character is well written.

Now all this is arguable as Kemono Friends obviously doesn't intend to write compelling characters. It's an adventure show for children and manchildren. They work in the context they've been given. But regardless, I still wouldn't consider them good characters, more like functional tools.

>>154931451
>>154931338
A good character is defined by how often you want to say how much you want to fuck her.

>>154931338
>A good character is defined by their motives
No he isn't. By that that logic, you can call any hothead battle shounen MC who wants to mamoru his nakama "good". The motive is never enough to call character good.

>>154931547
Not enough per se, but it is essential, and it's often missing. Incidentally I might argue that one thing battle shounens tend to do well is characterization.

>>154927727
It's proof that the audience has terminal shittaste. Anime is about animation, it's primarily a visual medium. And no, it's not "interesting", it's sickening.

>>154927727
I like the show, but the animation literally makes me want to kill myself.

It would be AOTY if traditionally animated

>>154932143
trollolol/10

>>154931220
No. You haven't cranked WoT on low if you claim that.

>>154927727
I can't wait for more CGI trash that gets popular thanks to designs that can be sexualized to hell and back.

>>154927727
Kemono Friends? More like Kino Friends

Feels good that a generic shounen or LN isn't the most popular anime of the season.

>>154927727
the fuck is this shit about?

Rather than proof of the rule, it's proof that the exception can sell. There's no good characterization or stories in this show but it's selling like hotcakes.

>>154932365
Cute CGI animal girls ventureing through the ruins of humanity with a M Night Shamalamadingdong twist

>>154932382
There's no anime with a better story this season though.

>>154932143
Animation barely ever matters though unless you're hipster, if it's boring no amount of 10/10 animation will save it.

>>154932436
So you're not watching Kuzu no Honkai?

Kemono Friends is minimalist, which is appealing. The characters don't have to have in-depth backstories or struggles to act as filler. What mystery there is is a driving force of the plot.

>>154932538
Yeah, which is depressing because once the mystery is over, the show's appeal is going to dwindle

>>154932436
Try actually watching anime instead of reading synopses.

>>154932136
>I might argue that one thing battle shounens tend to do well is characterization.
In what way? Most of the battle shounen MC "characterization" is basically "good guy with a heart of gold who wants to protect his friends". It's not a good characterization, it's a low effort, cheap trick used the authors who don't want(or able) to write something that actually takes some skill.

>>154932561
Not really. Cute animals still have universal over say military equipment or mythological monsters.

>>154932474
(you)

It's like Kancolle, everyone just draws lewd and porn of the girls and that's why it's popular. Everyone just wants to fuck cute girls with animal ears.

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>>154932613
What about cute mythological monsters?

>>154932436
Gintama

>>154932655
If that's the reason, why does it have much more mass appeal in demographics?

It's a meme anime retards.

>>154932576
Implying anything else can compete with the Nier Automata-esque themes of memory and what constitutes the human soul

>>154932730
So Alita or GitS?

>>154932757
Anything this season

>>154930754

FF failed because character designs were not very good and story completely fell apart in second half.

>>154932793
(you)

>>154930922
>Futaba threads were hitting 2000 posts since the star

And a lot of it was people shitting on how bad it looks.

KF exploded around episodes 3-4.

>>154931364

Naruto was a good character at the start of the series.

>>154932730
This is how I can tell you're underage or retarded. Nier's story is puddle deep existentialism that you armchair psychiatrists jerk off over because it makes you feel intelligent.

>>154932363

Show me a recent season where this was the case.

Almost all big hits are anime original.

>>154932655

Kancolle fanart is like 80% porn.

KF fanart is 10% porn.

>>154927727
Maybe, but I somehow really pity the guys from Hand Shakers. They air in the same hour iirc.

Good for KF, there's nothing wrong with any anime becoming popular (other than discussion getting worse, but eh).

>>154932904
Re:Zero
OPM
Jojo
KonoSuba

>>154932655
Except Kemono Friends has extremely high chance to succeed in what Kancolle failed miserably, i.e. to become franchise with non-H fan content prevailing over H.

I really hope it will become something like 2hu where people can create and share comics about characters, their stories and adventures. Not a porn dumpster like Kancolle.

Kemono Friends is a true Bildungsroman, not a perpetual teen fighting or romance.

>>154932730
Please don't use that game as a premise for shitposting. It has a great story and handles its themes well. Plenty of anime does the same.

>>154932971
>touhou
>not a porn dumpster

>>154932971
>I really hope it will become something like 2hu where people can create and share comics about characters, their stories and adventures.
It's fucking incredible that you retards think it's going to take off like this. Wait until it ends and watch as the popularity plummets. It could even get a second season and it won't have staying power.

>>154933017
It can be both

>>154932904
Next season will be Attack on Titan. This season would've been Konosuba if KF didn't come out of nowhere. Re:Zero for Spring 2016

>>154932822
Not sure about episode 1 but after 2 it was just people spamming the tanoshi and sugoi meme. This meme and the "your iq will go down watching this show" that derived from it are probably the main reason the anime became viral. Of course, if the show was bad it would have ended at that, but let's not act writing was the main reason it's a hit.

I'm not the anon you're quoting by the way, it definitely wasn't popular from the start.

>>154933011
It doesn't have a great story though. By contrast to modern games it does but at an actual writing level, no.

>>154932971
It will be forgotten after the season end. Hestia and Rem alone got more art in the similar time span on their own than KF got with all their characters combined.

>>154933022
Why wouldn't it? It's demographic is much broader.

>>154933022
>missing the point completely
You're retarded here. I was comparing it to 2hu in terms of proportion of H to non-H doujins and fan-art. Go to fucking sanpanda, for 2hu it's like 50/50 (compared to 90/10 in kancolle).

>it won't have staying power.
Yeap, I heard the same about kancolle. But if retards like you ever knew how japanese artistic community works you would never say that.

>>154933054
>at an actual writing level, no

I wish you faggots would stop acting like "good writing" is some transcendent concept that has only ever been achieved by Chaucer and Shakespeare and Milton. We aren't comparing it to literature, we're comparing it to pop culture.

>>154933115
It is literally a meme show. Say what you will but that's all it is at the end of the day. When it finishes airing and the memes thin out, so will it's popularity.

>>154933136
Touhou has managed to chug on for well over a decade based on memes alone

>>154933131
Nice assumptions. You're purposely comparing it to garbage so you can claim it's exceptional. You don't need to read classic literature to know good writing, you just need to read literature to begin with instead of playing video games for stories.

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>>154933136
I remember faggots like you said the same thing about YOI but look where we are

>>154933127
Game like Kancolle with constant updates has more staying power than anime that ends in 3 months and people move to new shows.

>>154933157
And gameplay and music. You know, the actual components of a video game whereas Kemono Friends has nothing outside of memes.

>>154933180
People still care about YOI?

>>154933136
It's a good show with mass appeal. Hyokkori Hyoutanjima or Chibimaruko are good comparisons.

>>154933180
YoI took off because of fujoshi. If you knew anything about the anime market, you'd know they have a massive stake in it and can make any show top the ratings.

>>154933196
Quite ironical, because just recently someone complained about us not having memes. Nice try though, /tv/ might be a better place for you.

>>154933237
>one person complained about not having memes therefore it's true
Great post.

>>154932971
>i.e. to become franchise with non-H fan content prevailing over H.
You really don't know what you're talking about. The majority of KanColle doujins are non-h, they just don't make it to the panda.

Only edgy teenagers think its a meme show due to their frustration at not understanding the most competently constructed narrative of any TV anime this year. Hence they get mad at its popularity and make accusations of furry fetishes, mlp comparisons etc.

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>>154933205
>>154933221

Im never taking what /a/ says seriously because most of the time they're fucking wrong.

when faggots said YOI will fail or flop it bit them in the ass hard. I don't really give a shit about YOI but the salt the sales garnered was hilarious.

>>154933258
Well it is.

The only reason KF got popular is cute girls and Madoka meme twist

The girls in KF are cuter than the tit hags in maid dragon

>>154933112
>Hestia and Rem
Do people really not understand the difference? It was already pointed out in 5th post >>154927874 in this very thread. The difference is that there is zero space for liberty and artistic expression with those 2 characters. They live in strictly defined world within strictly defined story interacting with limited number of other characters. Porn is literally the oly thing you can do with them.
But with KF characters artists can fill in the gaps. They already have shitton of 4komas and fan art with some context.

>>154933187
I highly doubt producers will decide to abandon this franchise and stop making new content. Another season in a year should be enough to maintain at least some level of popularity. For example Touhou was blooming with one main game every other year and some fillers in-between.

>>154933313
Plus everyone likes animals

>>154933313
>Madoka meme twist
You mean the thing that didn't happen till the penultimate episode and had actual setup all the way from episode 1?
I guess everyone watching KF just has time machines then.

>>154933356
>actual setup
Please.

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Imagine KF with all human characters like Kaban instead of animals, do you really think it would get so popular?
90% of the appeal of this show is variety of cute monster girls

>>154933395
And if past monster girl series have taught us anything, they're all cancerous or boring as shit. Luckily we know this is the former.

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>>154933313
here's the actual reason that isn't fucking retarded

>animal girls
>act like said animals
>facts about said animals
>unfolding mystery about the world

the memes were just the icing on the cake buddy

>>154933431
Here's the actual reason.

>memes

>>154933323
And yet those "shallow characters" are more popular than KF will ever be. Guess they won this one.

>Another season in a year
Will it be called "Kemono What?"? Because by then it will be the general consensus.

>>154933379
Proof you're either underage or retarded

>>154933261
>The majority of KanColle doujins are non-h, they just don't make it to the panda.
And also never making it to melonbooks and other doujin distribution platforms. never get any previews on pixiv, right? Thousands of mysterious non-h douikns no one ever heard or saw about.
I thought this stupid meme died already. Even most autistic kancolle fans admit that even though situation changed a little lately it's still just mostly porn.

>>154933356
>had actual setup all the way from episode 1?

Madoka's twist had setup faggot. That's the whole point of that comparison.

>>154933480
A child or a mental invalid is more cognitively aware than anyone who considers this series to have setup or actual value.

>>154933395
>monster girls
God, you are fucking retarded.

>>154933513
Madoka's twist came three episodes in, KemoFure's sudden swerve into suffering came all the way at the penultimate episode.

>>154933205
You live under a rock

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Friendly reminder that defending anything on /a/ won't due shit, because the person you're arguing with won't be convinced by your arguments, as they came here solely for shitposting.

Be smart and save your time. You might as well watch some show, read something, go for a walk and I'm sure your time will be will be way more productive than it is right now. Thank you.

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>there are bullies in this thread right now

You know how people go to zoo because they like to watch different cute animals interacting with each other? That's why this anime is popular.

>>154933581
I wish retarded anons could get this,

it's like talking to brick walls.

The best part of these threads is going to be seeing the end and how the series eventually but quickly ceases altogether despite all the desperate arguments saying it will have staying power.

>>154933570
Animal girls, are you happy now? The point still stands.

>>154932971
>Touhou is not a porn dumpster
What sort of dank timeline you're posting from, Jumper-san?

>>154933650
Tsuchinoko is a monster girl though

>>154933647
Salty that Danmachi faded and died a lonely death I see

>>154927727

Kemono friends characters are like retarded children.

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>>154933647
The best part of these threads is seeing faggots like you get proven wrong.

just like the YOI shitshow.

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>>154933581
Easier said than done

>>154932951

None of them were top sellers.

What the fuck is YOI?

>>154933735
Look at sales numbers before posting.

>>154933177
So are you really implying that visual media can be compared to purely text-based on a sheer quality spectrum? Do you think movies would be better if every visible detail was also described by a narrator? Obviously the requirements for good writing are lower, but that doesn't mean it's either unimportant or impossible to discuss in these contexts.

Anyways, give me three examples of good writing from this current season of anime.

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>>154933017

Less than 10% of Touhou fanarts and doujins are porn.

It's just so fucking big that there are still mountains of porn.

>>154933756
Degenerates on Ice

>>154929234
I prefer the way the character models look to the official art, actually.

I think it's an extremely visually appealing production overall with the exception of the rough animation (by that I mean the way characters and objects move, specifically).

>this entire thread
I thought /a/ is a safe space for people who like anime. I was wrong.

KF is the moonland version of mlp.
The signs and trends are all there.

>>154933769
Ah.

Fuck that overrated show.

>>154933680
In timeline where we have somewhat equal amount of H and non-H doujins, you dumb boatshitter.

>>154933756
Are you fucking new or some shit? did you miss the massive shitstorm that was the YOI sales?

>>154933760
>good writing from this current season of anime
We're not discussing the writing in anime, we're discussing good writing altogether. Something you will rarely find in anime as a medium to begin with.

>>154931146
Well, the movie had a much bigger budget for animation and looks in general. Just compare the backgrounds in the series and the movie. In the series, they have something like recycled 2008 video game textures, and in the movie, they show gorgeous sceneries.

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>>154933803
>trying to summon Barneyfag on /a/

>>154933815
I know about Yuri on Ice. Somehow I didn't connect it with YoI

>>154933825
Yeah, you obviously have no context for this discussion.

>>154933759

How about you do that? They all sold less than 10k.

>Kemono Friends have staying power

Nah. II wouldn't even be able to compete with LN trash like Overlord.

>>154933803
I don't see anything wrong tho?

>>154933579
It already finished airing. The fad is over.
Am I wrong or is there still something going on with that franchise?

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>this entire thread

this shit is going to be the entire ordeal with YOI with its explosive popularity isn't it?

When the sales for KF come out it's going to be another shitstorm,

I await that day eagerly

>>154932951
Love Live
GuP
YoI

All of the above sold more than everything you listed combined.

>>154933875
Less than 10k which also happens to be the most popular of their season. You know, what the discussion is actually about.

>>154933878
Kemono Friends has a huge amount of OC potential just like Touhou

>>154933911
Congratulations on missing the context of the argument. Which season exactly do you think LL, GuP and YoI aired? Here's a hint: it's not the same season as those shows listed.

>>154933261
>T-The majority of Kancolle doujins are non-H! T-They just don't show up, that's all!
Head back to your general already

>>154932971
I feel exactly the same way.

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>>154933892
Not him, but you're very ignorant of how that maket works, especially when it comes to fujo show.

>>154933939
Nexon and Kadokawa wish they manufactured the popularity of KMF, it was a failed franchise in every single aspect before.

>>154933940
Toohoo is dying these days though.

>>154933803

MLP is about ponies traveling through a ruined post apocalyptic world with signs of human extinction everywhere and monsters lurking around?

>>154933910
It's going to be low since they didn't expect to have sales at all so they didn't produce a lot of merchandise.
That's why they're always out of stock.

>>154933702
If that was the case, they wouldn't be animating Sword Oratoria. I mean, who would animate an spinoff of a failed franchise?

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>>154933978

>>154933956
Fujoshit have short attention span. They jump to the next fad like /a/non picking their seasonal waifu.

Free is already dying.
Basugay sales is also plummeting.

>>154933981
>a ruined post apocalyptic world

Fuck you spoiled me anon.

>>154927727
Good things are good, yes, but definitely part of the sensation behind this is that it was unexpected. The series is certainly good, but what elevated it to mass popularity is that it is good in spite of people thinking it would be trash.

>>154933978

Nice meme.

Touhou is just as popular as it was 5 years ago. It's not getting more popular but it not going down either.

>>154934006
YOI has legit cultural impact though. Normies love it too.

>>154934006
That's not exclusive to fujos. Anime viewers jump to the next trend as soon as a season finishes airing. It'll happen here too.

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say what you want

still the most popular show this year

>meme! meme! meme!

learn new words you dumbasses

>>154933994
Who would animate S2 for the Bahamut anime that sold like <2k without game codes. Sometimes it just happens.

>>154933910

BD's are out od stock everywhere. Initial sales won't be crazy, but after few weeks it could be one of the best selling TV anime in history.

>>154933991
like I said,

this level of denial is just like the YOI ordeal, it's like I went back in time seeing retards like yourself being in completely denial

>>154934006
YOI still has tons of merch selling every day, it's very popular.

>>154931146
I fucking hate artillery man

>>154933994
Satelight

>>154927727
Its more unexpected. It has decent characters and ok writing for something everyone thought was trash.
It will balloon into a rwby tier shitshow for 3 seasons then fade into nothing as culture continues to change and advance more rapidly than during 2hus premier thanks to mass connectivity.

>>154933803
>fans call each other friends instead of the horse equivalent
>"mature" storytelling
>surge of art and crossover art with everything
>colorful feel-good show that appeals to all ages

Yeah it's all there

>>154933939

You know shit. KM was a failed project before the anime.

>>154934054
>1million people making fun of a shit show

>>154934067
>BD's are out od stock everywhere
Unless you know how much they restock in the first place, you can't really tell how much it will sell, only the range.

>>154934054
Naruto, Bleach and One Piece are popular with a massive audience, does that make them good too?

>>154934067
>BD's are out od stock everywhere.
I heard the same about WiiU.

>>154934099
There's nothing wrong with any of that. The problem with MLP is that the entire fanbase wants to fuck/get fucked by ponies.

>>154934029
Proof? What about how it's being constantly trumped by KC in comiket?

>>154934154
The Switch as well.

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>retards still think it won't leave an impact

when episode 11 aired, it trended worldwide

Like I said before this level of denial and retardation is the exact repeat of the YOI.

>>154934029
Ironically, 2012 was also pretty well past Touhou's peak.

>>154934164
If you've been paying attention, you'd notice that KanColle has been declining more rapidly than Touhou in the last two years and Reitaisai is keeping Touhou going strong.

>>154933949

Are you trying to argue that generic shit can only sell in weak seasons when they have no real competition?

>>154934001
This guy gets it.

>>154934207
Got any stats to go with that? Actually asking this time since it's been ages since I've bothered with Touhou shit, thought the series died for a bit.

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>>154929234
The animation isn't good, the direction, however, definitely is.

The animation pretty much CAN'T be good. The budget was too little. The director uses the poor animation to his advantage, though.

Also I think the models look very cute

>>154934210
No, I'm arguing the original point which is "Show me a recent season where this (a generic shounen or LN) is the most popular anime of the season" and I did just that. Don't try to move the goalposts.

>>154933935
>behead those who like what I hate
you should start a new religion.

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>>154934192
here's the nips reaction to episode 11 when that scene happened,

shit fucking exploded like a nuke,

two wasn't enough

>>154930224
Not thinking Kaban is interesting is an insult.

>>154934237
Can you show us an example of "good direction" in the show?

>>154934231
I don't have it on hand but try your luck in /jp/. There's stats on the number of circles selling Touhou and KanColle and KC has been slowing down by a huge margin recently.

>>154934163
>Implying that isn't true for KF

>>154934164

Not this shit again. You literally know nothing.

Touhou left Comiket by itself thanks to Reitaisai and other big 2hu only cons.

The annual number of doujins is almost the same it was in 2012.

>>154934246
>he got that from that anons statement
Holy shit maybe you really do need to be beheaded. Stop emotionally defending the series because it made your fat heart move a little and go outside or something bro.

>>154934277
Why don't you just try watching it?

>>154934287
They are young girls.

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>>154934163
>>154934287
To be fair, ponies are like tier 4/5.
I draw my line at 1.

>>154934067
>BD's are out od stock everywhere
That's because they weren't expecting it to get so popular so of course they didn't prepare many BDs in the first place. And getting BDs on sale is a slow process, especially in their situation

>>154934099
>>fans call each other friends instead of the horse equivalent
This shit only happens in the west and has never happened in japan outside of the 君は「」のフレンズ meme

What a total garbage thread, to think these are the kinds of people on my /a/ now.
>waaah i'm so mad i didn't pick the right AOTS, it's bad cause i'm not watching it!

>>154934154

Then go on nip amazon and check.

>>154934322
Nice try, faggot.

>>154934277
Do you have images disabled or something?

>the future of anime is half-assed CGI shows about empty-eyed blobs doing nothing
The future looks grim.

>>154934192
That's not even the half of it. Last I saw it had 48k tweets It probably even got to 60K and then there's the Katakana version and Kemono friends dominating the Japanese Trends with everything but 2 were KF related.

>>154934348
He can't. He won't know how to find it.

>>154934369
Japan is loving it so buckle up for a dark future for the anime industry.

>>154934277
No, because you can't capture good direction in a still, and you must think we were born yesterday and don't recognize obvious "I'm going to shitpost no matter what because I already made my mind up" behavior.

>>154934238

I'm pretty damn sure none of those shows were top sellers of their seasons.

And even if they were they sold 10 times less than actually popular series.

>>154934099
>fans call each others juggalo
>"mature" (read: cringeworthy) lyrics
>surge of clown cosplay
>theatrical 'edgy' that actually appeals to everyone
Yeah it's all Insane Clown Posse mang.

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>>154934154
>/v/ memes
Well, good to know who's hating this show.

>>154931116
>The same with Touhou. It's being kept alive by art and fan crap.
No.

Touhou is still something that quickly sells out with new media releases of the source material, Touhou actually has a good and untarnished base, and Touhou generally has a lot of respect.

There's a lot of fandom stuff but it wouldn't died fucking ages ago if it was just fan stuff keeping it alive.

>>154934420
Again, look at sales numbers from their seasons.

Stop trying to force this other argument. I literally do not give a shit that you want to argue about how LL or GuP or whatever other series is more popular.

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>>154927727
>CG anime will be even more popular now
Fuck Japan. Surgical friends was the superior friends show anyway.

>>154934192

This is much bigger than YOI.

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>>154934518
Toki strong

>>154934448
>wouldn't
would've*

>>154931338
I dunno about all of that, but I think "good character" can mean a lot of things. In KF's case, it's that they're consistent with the animals they're based on, they're likable, and they're a bit quirky without being overwhelmed by their quirks. The owls, for instance, are all about being "wise", which results in them being rude and a bit pompous, but also a little like baka-cute.

The MC, Kaban, is also a classically good character.

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>faggots can't bandwagon KF after it steam rolls their AOTS because it's in CGI
I love CG now

>>154934518
This isn't the Kemono Friends thread, this is the "every shitposter that infects /a/ gathers to whine and stamp their feet thread"

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Kemono Friends is great!

>>154934448
>Touhou
>Having respect
Explain why the newer games are so unpopular then? 2hushit is old, it died when KC got popular. Go back to /jp/.

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>>154934572

I'm starting to think it's YOI fujos devastated that their precious gay shit got raped by an all girl yuri anime just a season later.

>>154934623
>Explain why the newer games are so unpopular then?
How does selling out day 1 = unpopular?

And of course new characters aren't going to be as popular as characters that are 15 years old. Are you stupid?

>>154934623

You do know it's still getting more doujins than Kancolle right?

Touhou gets much more doujins on Reitaisai than it does on Comiket.

>>154932561
The biggest appeal of this show is the adventure aspect, followed by its lightheartedness. Neither rely on mystery.

The mystery simply helps. It's subtle, too.

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>shitposter got blown the fuck out and got proven wrong

>tries to use the "P-please explain why" or "p-point to the direction"

>only proved that he didn't watch said show

jesus christ this entire thread is a fucking mess

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>>154934663
>2hushits still trying to say they're relevant after they got steamrolled by KC and Granblue

>>154934663

You are replying to a retard.

>>154934718
Yeah, you're right.

>>154934164
Reitaisai, the largest Touhou con has been held two times a year since 2014, instead of a single time like it used to be. There is also a lot of smaller events and music festivals. Touhou is still strong, it's just less represented at Comiket.

>>154934237
Just realized Arai-San is smiling when she is supine. Obviously the director would have noticed this, but rather than tell the animators "fix it," he leaves it alone since it now looks like Arai is laughing at herself for how foolish she just made herself look

>>154934710

There was no year when Kancolle got more doujins than Touhou.

There is less touhou on comiket because people begged 2hu fags to stop flooding it. That's why Reitaisai exists.

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>>154934514
True.
YOI never got the hardcore otaku market segment. It wasn't popular on both futaba or 2ch. This hit every demographics out there except for the chuunifags.

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>>154934545
It's only natural

>>154934718
>>154934730
>2hushits can't defend their outdated series
>"Y-Yeah, those who don't like our stuff are retarded!"
Good riddance

>>154934237
Jesus fuck my eyes hurt

>>154934237
This direction is the pinnacle of anime, it really goes to show how having no budget can benefit a series. Truly, the AOTY.

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>>154934514
Yeah I know but the difference is that KF is only big in japan, even more so than YOI

YOI in japan was quite big in japan but it resonated more with normies in the west.

this entire thread is just a repeat of denial about the sudden popularity of underdog series and faggots saying "IT'LL FLOP FOR SURE, IT'LL LOSE POPULARITY"

it's hilarious

>>154934767
>it's just less represented at Comiket
And still trumps Kancolle there.

>Ronja-tier bad 3DCG
>even more kiddy storytelling than Ronja
>no one gives a shit about Ronja

Being Goro is suffering.

Kemono Friends is the perfect and most conclusive test for me for whether someone is an interesting person with good taste and ability to discuss the relative merits of a series in constructive terms that I'll probably enjoy talking with, or if they're just another waste of space who lets themselves be led by the nose by popularity cliques from season to season without ever learning how to form a real opinion themselves and thinks fanatical adherence to this pattern somehow establishes credibility.

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>>154934808
Shit like this is part of the reason I live this show. The fanart it has inspired...

>>154934934
Have you tried actually watching it past the third episode?

>>154934369
>>154934397
This is why I took up /lit/

>>154934963
Currently on the second episode senpai.

>>154934943
*tips fedora* Agreed my fellow patrician, Kemono Friends is the biggest pleb-filter series.

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>>154934345
The Japs definitely call each other Friends, just much less than the West. We probably find it more amusing, but during the explosion of popularity "Friends Friend Friends" was all over my twitter feed.

>>154934962
Can you imagine how great it must be for you and a rag-tag team of animators making a tiny-budget anime based on your failed mobile game and having it inspire this degree of fan tribute?

>>154934986
I hope you've been paying attention to the background then

>>154934962
So like every other show?

>>154935039
This thread already spoiled me of the twist senpai.

>>154935020
It was that "君は「」のフレンズ" meme.
Jap anons are still calling themselves their board's respective version of anon

>>154934943
Sugoi! You're a Friend with a discerning taste!

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I can't wait to see the sales numbers on KF,

if episode 11 caused this much butthurt and spawned threads like these then imagine when the sales numbers comeout

it'll be just like the YOI shitstorm but on a grander scale because the anime is CG and most people on /a/ or anime fans in general hate CG.

I love KF though, it's pretty good if you can get past it's shit models and mediocre animation.

>>154935096
Regardless it was used about the same.

Again in English calling someone "Friend" is just inherently funny.

>>154934514
Even in Japan Kemono Friends is a slow burner because the "What is this ugly shit? It can't possibly be good" attitude isn't limited to the West. Anime otaku themselves are skeptical before watching it. But in the long run I think it might become CCS/Madoka level in terms of lasting impression on the anime fans.

>>154935118
>>154934914
>>154933710
>>154933277
We get it, /v/-kun. No need to repeat yourself.

>>154927727
Japanese just have really really really really really really shit taste. Kemono friends is just fucking touhou god I fucking hate japan

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>>154935159
I ain't /v/ kun but you know it's true, it's going to be the same shit all over,

im fucking ecstatic about how many anons will be proven wrong and when I look back at these threads i'll find it absolutely tanoshii to laugh at them,

sorta like this anon right here >>154935216

>>154935216
>Kemono friends is just fucking touhou
>said like that's a bad thing

>>154934340
What is it with this series and resurrecting old memes?

>>154935216

Oh yes, such a shame they don't love Naruto and AoT as much as west.

>>154935275
>I ain't /v/ kun
Sure thing
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/filename/1473006770395.gif%20/
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/filename/1470767224043.png/
Your way of posting makes it too obvious that you're cancer that came here not too long ago.

>>154935216
It isn't, but good job judging it without watching it. You've impressed me with that bold ostrichism.

>>154935297
/a/'s own internal survey indicates that only Friends aged 30 or older likes this show.

The show's producer also stated that he make a show that's like watching your daughter in a peaceful world.

>>154934089

I served in the artillery man.

>>154935320
Jesus Christ

Can you nigger stop talking about KanColle? You're triggering my filter and it's only supposed to be triggered when there's manga/anthology translations.

>>154935320
So the same image pops up on an anonymous image board? What a shocker.

Also I don't hate KF anon, I love it.

I'm just pointing out the amount of hate threads episode 11 garnered because the show was off the shitposters radar for a good while.

KF 11 trending worldwide on twitter probably caught most of their attention and most of them are denying the shows lasting appeal or how it got popular in the first place

>>154935216
Don't worry, AoT S2 is airing soon. Anime is safe for people like you.

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>>154935504
It's not the the same image, newfag, it's the filename. Not to mention the content of the said posts.

>>154935565
Hating shit doesn't mean you have to like other shit.

>>154935574
And? I could do the same shit with your image right now and search the image hash.

But besides that I'm sad that there's one episode left, the threads for KF have been a blast with cool animal facts and other shit, I'll be sad to see it go.

>>154935216
>I fucking hate japan
This website is owned by a Japanese, dumbass.

>>154935565

I won't be surprised if it sells 3 times worse than S1.

>>154935724
Yeah, the hype is kill.

>>154932793
Sad!

I will never get tired of seeing Flip Flappers fans get mad their awful on all levels show failed and is universally hated. All of this show's hate seems to stem from them and I love their tears. This is an actually good show with effort put in, not pretentious fetish shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX7BrY5lJe8

>>154935853
What's wrong with Flip Flap? I didn't watch it.

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>>154935882
>the average Kemonofriend

>>154935882
>>154935922
Stop advertising your youtube channel and samefagging.

>>154935853
>This is an actually good show with effort put in
There's a video on Nico that parodies an episode of Darwin ga Kita! (Darwin is Here!, basically Japan's version of Animal Planet) with Serval's opening scene and it actually shows that the animation staff put a lot of thought into making Serval-chan move like the real animal.

>>154935853
>pretentious fetish shit

Wut?

>>154935902
It's 2D.

>>154932561
Eh, I think it'd be easy to set up a new mysteries for a 2nd season. Just introduce a new island. It'd get old if they did it a 3rd time, but at least a 2nd season is easily feasible following the same format.

>>154935712
The difference is that I didn't search it by image hash, I searched it by the filename which is unique every time you save image from 4chan. And again, look at those(your) posts in the archive, almost all of them have lowercase sentences, just like the posts you made ITT until you started replying to me.

>>154935952
>better art than the show

>>154934914
Did YOI sell shit though? I haven't seen actual numbers anywhere. Westerners do not buy shit so any "popularity" series has on west means basically nothing.

>>154935902
Nothing, it's at the very least a decent show. But a bunch of anons seemed to have deluded themselves into thinking it was a masterpiece because they wanted it to be one since the first few episodes, or at least that's the impression they give and they were hated for that, even if they weren't really that annoying.

>>154936104
Magical girl fags are at it again, huh?

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>>154936032
YOI sold like 50k

>>154936004
Nobody fucking cares.

>>154935902
Everything. It was super awful.

>>154935975
Half the episodes were about sexualizing something to look deep, like biting and dom. It was awful.

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>>154936150
You sure do after getting BTFO so hard.

>>154935902
Very poorly implemented story.
And as anon above said, some anons consider it a masterpiece, it kinda flopped and they became massively butthurt about it shitting on everything more successful.
Space Dandy did what Flip Flappers was supposed to be.

>>154936176
>Half the episodes were about sexualizing something to look deep, like biting and dom

Oh boy, yurifags are also in it, I guess.

>>154936004
>>154936207

Im the anon you were talking to not >>154936150

>>154936150
I do, /v/-kun.
>threading your own post
Pathetic.

>>154934099
Except wanting to fuck a Friend doesn't make you a degenerate furfag

>>154936127
It's ok to think Flip Flap was great, different opinions etc. The annoying part was that some Flipflapfags didn't seem genuine but were rather taking a stand for the sake of feeling like elitists.

>>154934237
Still better animation than RWBY

Why would anyone believe good animation sells? There is a gazillion examples of well-animated shows selling like absolute dogshit. Hell, KyoAnus entire existence is a sad proof.

>>154936327
not fucking hard

>>154936294
The average newfag doesn't know about the 10% rule, unsurprisingly enough. For them, even putting artificial animal ears on counts as furry.

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>>154936380
the most important things are characterisation, story and substance imo.

the animation is the icing on the cake. KF lacks good animation but makes up for it in everything else, I just hope there won't be a dub.

>>154936216
Yuri was baited bit like usual it was degenerate pandering and it ended in het, but its two fans denied it. 2ch hated it and used it as a metric for awfulness all season. It's Pupa level.

>>154936380
Because that and stalker threads are the only thing they have so they can pretend they like anime.

>>154934710
Kancolle is declining though because its actual source material is just a shitty browser game and if Kadokawa decides that it's not profitable enough then they'll just pull the plug and it'll all be over.

ZUN will probably keep on making Touhou games until the day he dies of liver failure

>>154936434
I don't see any substance in this show.

>>154936434
>all lowercase
>DB gif
You have no idead what the fuck are you talking about, /v/-kun

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>>154936135
Who in their right minds bought that series?

>>154935275
Dont compare me to you dumbass /v/ troll

>>154934943
I didn't know that fedoras could be Friends!

>>154936434
Why would there be a dub for something 98% of the west finds disgusting? Not even Funimation is insane enough to invest on that.

>>154936529
People with better taste than the retards who bought yuyuyu. Thank god the sequel is bombing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpetvgpaRqk

As bad as Kemono Friends may be, at least it's not Tumblr-pandering.

>>154936548
Stupider uses of money have been greenlit, my Friend.

>/v/ boogeyman posting
These threads are beginning to bomb hard, aren't they?

>>154927865
>no pantsu shot
>the skirts are that short

How unrealistic.

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>>154935902
People got butthurt that it actually turned out to have PLOT instead of just being fun episodic adventures

>>154936606
It's not boogeyman when it's true.

>>154936529
The female equivalent of wankers.

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>>154936483
>>154936516

I meant the underlying dark tones seen in the show and how it forshadowed humans being extinct long ago,

theres also hidden details in backgrounds that I really enjoy digging out. like those stealth bombers

also iirc BOSS played a recording of another human back in episode 1 but then she got revealed in episode 10.

it's simple in nature but the world is full of mystery and is interesting enough on its own.

I think you got me confused for /v/ kun though thanks to that image I posted, pls no bully

>>154936561
I just used a random reaction picture. Also buying YOI-tier garbage should be punishable by law.

>>154927727
Is the success of Konosuba proof that having good characterization and stories are more important than good animation? It's interesting how the show with the worst production values this season is the most successful.

>>154936626
The plot was exactly what went wrong with it.

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>>154936561
(you)(you)(you)

>>154936626
It didn't have a plot, it pretended to with pretentious dialogue and images. That's why it bombed.

>>154936636
It's just a poster you don't like. Unless you are shitposting on purpose you should learn to let go.

Hey, at least it's not Dragon Maid, another overrated show this season.

>>154936682
Don't tell me people are still mad because "I like you since you were a baby".
You'd think that /a/ wouldn't be this full of normalfags.