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big mom is a god tier villain, how does oda do it?

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Wedding Crashers

>>154890018
>making a new thread 100 posts before the old thread is capped
Holy fuck, you just get more and more pathetic.

Even One Piece and Naruto fags didn't have a relationship as vile and tsun as MHA and BC fags do.

>>154890018
>and has honed his Observation Haki to such a degree that he can see a little bit into the future
Wtf...

>>154890962

It's what observation haki do. He can just see even further than Luffy and Enel. Usopp observation haki is the weird one.

>>154890397
Why are they all so pissed?

>>154890962
What? Is just an advanced version of the observation Haki

>>154891029
They hate Big Mom

>>154890815
>Even One Piece and Naruto fags didn't have a relationship as vile
Funny thing with Oda and Kishimoto being bros

>>154890962
I love how CoO can reach such level yet it's passive/active when convenient.

>>154891131
>>154891042
>>154891003
It's dumb and seems like an asspull. Not to mention Jinbei sprinting it when Big Mom tried killing him.

I bet you anything this is what they're going to use to asspull how Sanji can beat Kizaru- a man of light.

>>154891290

Kizaru isn't as fast as light. At least not when he's not fully transformed and Enel's minions were doing this shit 14 years ago.

>>154891290
Is just observation haki how the hell is an asspull?

>>154891342
>Kizaru isn't as fast as light.
He can kick at light speed however.

>And Enel's minions were doing this shit 14 years ago.
Which was later explained to be something which only gave you insight a couple of seconds before, not an hour or some shit.

>>154891354
^

>>154891354
I remember that Luffy in Marineford Arc could see a bit into the future how Mihawk would have cut his arms off. I don't know why hasn't Luffy used it more after that since it's something really useful. CoO seems to be so inconsistent in this manga that I just hope it doesn't feel like an asspull every time

>>154891447

Not he can't. Or Marco and Rayleigh are also able to match light speed. Don't post him taunting Hawkins. It's what it is. A taunt.

> Which was later explained to be something which only gave you insight a couple of seconds before, not an hour or some shit.

We don't even know the extent of his ability yet and he's a world best expert at it while Enel and his crew were randoms. Not an asspull at all.

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>>154890018
>his Observation Haki to such a degree that he can see a little bit into the future
I though Enel had the best Observation Haki. Oda is a Hack confirmed. What will happen next? The perfect King's Haki will let you rewrite the past?

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>>154891609
>speedreading so hard you make your own canon

>>154891609

Enel always had the entry lvl observation haki though.

>>154891642
>odacocksucker
Opinion discarded

>>154891609
>I though Enel had the best Observation Haki.
Gee it's like the pirates in the new world are more stronger and experienced or something

>can see in the future
Oda is a hack
Then all of those things in this arc shouldn't be happened, because Katakuri could prevent everything.

>>154891651
He had the widest range

>>154891678
But can he see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?

>>154890018
>his Observation Haki to such a degree that he can see a little bit into the future

Is this some shitlevel like Bach's ability?

Oda really lost his shit. Is he still live, or is he long-dead and does one of his authors write this manga now?

What if he's just lying about seeing into the future and it's just a bluff?

>>154891750
the manga

>yfw Katakuri gets defeated because he sees a punch in the future and mistakes it for the present getting hit by another attack in the process

>>154891750
Reread the arc. No one except the little girl in the same arc ever showed to have a similar range.

>>154890589

Who is you?

There are so many of us and this thread has an updated topic and invites more people to post.

>>154891728
>Is this some shitlevel like Bach's ability?
> Can see just a little bit in the future
Can't you read or are all the shitposters this retarded?

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>see something happen in the future that you don't like
>actively prevent it from happening
>but the future you saw was absolute
>and the future refused to change

>>154891567
>Or Marco and Rayleigh are also able to match light speed.
>get blindsided by bullets
>suddenly dodge light
hmm

>>154891678
>because Katakuri could prevent everything.
>Can only see a little bit of the future
sure he could

>>154891847

What's your point? I believe they aren't moving at light speed.

It's probably just a few min. max. in the future.

Why is she called Hancock? Why not Footcock or Mouthcock?

>>154892002
>Mouthjob

>>154891794
>>154891686
Fujitora detected an isolated rock in space with his haki and pulled it down with his gravity.

>>154892054
We don't know if he used Observation Haki for that though. It may as well go hand in hand with his fruit.

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Knowing the future is worth nothing if your enemy outclasses you.

I really want Pekoms to get killed by Big Mom. Anyone else?

>>154890256
shamelessly plagiarizing Alice's Queen of Hearts

>>154891728

Oda died in the 2011 tsunami.
Hack was brought in to discretely replace him because Jump knew one of their biggest cash cows would die if the news got out.

>>154890256
I want a chapter cover of Mama with her children brushing her hair

>>154890018
>Red Light District Queen - Stussy
What kind of Devil Fruit would you give her, /a/?

>>154892371
the fruit-fruit fruit. Need some boypus

>>154891832
This, he definitely saw Bege's attempt and must've confused him with Jigra due to their altercation

>>154892371

Suki suki no mi, she can momentarily steal the strenght of mens by sucking their dicks.

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>>154892126
Preach it brother

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Why is Luffy so ruthless?
>Coby has an entire midlife crisis on whether to contront Luffy or not
>Luffy doesn't even tell him to move aside and just one shots him, steps over his body and runs off like he's just another fodder soldier

>>154892570
Coby has a punchable face to be honest.

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>>154892570
Here's another example
>dupes some soldiers into killing their own nakama while going to save his own

>>154892570
>>154892602
He's a pirate, it sort of comes with the territory

Remember that time he orchestrated a prison break for the World's worst criminals, just to save his brother?

>>154892650
>He's a pirate, it sort of comes with the territory
Not really. He's a pretty solid lad all things considered and shounen MC right to the marrow of his bones. All of the MC's within the HST were.

>Remember that time he orchestrated a prison break for the World's worst criminals, just to save his brother?
Yeah but he's got a policy of "out of sight, out of mind" so it's not surprising that he wouldn't care about what happened to the world.

Any speculation on what Katakuri will look like?

>>154891609
>The perfect King's Haki will let you rewrite the past?

Made me laugh, I could see CoC having some extra BS like that in the future.

It does seem a little weird since CoO always seem limited only to reading minds which was why random attacks worked on Enel.

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>>154890018
>Red light District Queen - Stussy

Just how shit was Bege's original plan? Like holy fuck how was he going to account for the fucking psychic commander?

>>154892570
>>154892602
The colour scans appearing were such a good chance for whoever translated them to do a full rewrite of the existing translations. Scanlations for such a long running series end up being so awful it really needed it. They could have done some real editing and created a quality, consistent release. I mean, if you're going to redo 800 issues of translation for the new version you might as well put the effort in to do it right. But we get this.

>Soru
It translates literally and directly to "shave," so fucking write that.

>"Bul-" "-Let"
Not how quotation marks work, the break doesn't mean you need to do it as two sets. "Bul- -let!" would have been fine, same as if you needed a paragraph break during dialogue when writing prose.

>Mikata Robo
There is a note right fucking there on the page saying that mikata literally and directly translates to "ally" so just fucking write that.

>none of the sfx translated
One Piece makes such prominent and extensive use of them, it's a disservice to leave them in a form your readers can't understand.

Being able to translate doesn't necessarily mean you're able to write or edit as well. Lazy-ass scanlation groups need to get people who know that shit on board to touch up their weak-ass scripts.

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>>154890018
All things considered, was Enel a sexist?

Yes or no?

>>154893179
He makes no distinction, he's the ultimate feminist

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>>154891609
You sure you're not talking about Araki?

>>154892786

Is he really? He's just saving his friends. He's an asshole most of the time. You wouldn't like him irl. He makes fun of people, uses his raw strenght to bother people. He's the kind of guy who would destroy your house, tell you "sorry man" then get angy at you and punch you if you whine about it.

>>154892809

He will have a really cool face.

>>154893861
>he

What if Katakuri is a woman?

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I used to reply to the Jackposter everytime I saw his "the invincible captain jack" on these threads. Now that he's been banned, I kinda miss him. Jack is still the worst pirate I've ever heard of tho...

>>154894123
A true anonymous love story.

>>154894116
That position is too important for women.

>>154894234
HotPokket

>>154890018
Nothing happens: the spoilers

2017 has been a disappointment, but it looks like after next week's break something just might happen. After ~20 setup chapters..

>>154891290
did you forget when Luffy saw Mihawk slicing his arms before stopping his Bazooka?

it's the same thing

>>154892371
trap-trap fruit

>>154894657
underrated post.

>>154894737
downvote

So if Katakuri is able to see the future then how the hell could Opera and the others deceive Mont d'Or and Mama?
All of this lies should be seen by Katakuri.

>>154895603
I don't think they bring him in to scrutinise everything said by every high ranking and trusted family member
an ability as useful as his would be focussed on something that seemed much more important at the time

So what's the big deal?
Observation haki lets you look into the future.

>>154895603

He ain't omniscient faggot

>>154896085
He shot the dude at the door. His CoO obviously extends much, much further than a second or two.

>>154893741
It's almost as if Kakyoin was a retarded teenager, and not an expert on Stands that existed years after he died.

Hi

>>154896633
what a waste for the double doubles

>>154896269
It's probably not 100% accurate.

>>154891609
It will give the user mind control/hypnosis.

So does Big Mom love her first son, Perospero, the most because he's her first AND he has that DF?

>>154896269
By an undetermined amount of time, which could well be less than a minute.

Or he's presumptuous. If you were famous for CoO you could get away with that kind of thing.

>>154896915
Being the 2nd son, I would assume he has a DF.

Any predictions?

Katakuri isn't clairvoyant or anything. He can just anticipate people's next actions by using his very good Observation Haki.

Now the timing of his introduction seems just a tad too convenient. I wonder what Oda will do with him.

>>154896980
Seems Bege wasn't aware of his abilities, or he has some plan in place to keep Katakuri away from the wedding.

>>154896980
>Now the timing of his introduction seems just a tad too convenient.
Well he wasn't in the island to begin with he only returned for the wedding

>>154896633
hello

>>154896980
Yeah. Especially as BM seems very interested in Pudding's potential power, so it wouldn't make sense to have Katakuri already do that or something that close.

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Leave Katakuri to me!

How will Katakuri look like?

I actually ended up liking Cracker's design a lot, the same for Smoothie.

Did he's not already do this see into the future thing on skypiea

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>>154897231
Yeah that's called observation Haki, i think that was introduced a while ago?

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>Leave Akainu to me.

>>154897231
Are you ok anon? you should check if you are having a stroke
>>154897322
yeah I think more than a decade ago
how interesting

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>>154896555
It's almost as if I could pull 100 more examples out off my ass and still be in the right

I don't understand why are you guys complaining about katakuri, isn't the point of the new world to show pirates on a different level? first we saw jack and everyone now call him a jobber now we see this guy and people start calling oda a hack just because he can see a little more with his hakki, at this point i just think you're all false flagging and shitposting

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>>154897457
>Shitposters shitposting
You don't say

>>154897173

>Spoiler provider says that Katakuri looks younger than expected and his hair is short and black.He also says KatakurI's body looks robust and his face is cool.

from orojackson

Big Mom is going to die this arc.

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>>154890397

>>154897622
I bet he looks like cracker.

>No Crocodile
Dammit

>>154897731
lel

wtf is jigra?

>>154898012
Read everything before asking.

maybe katakuri's in on this whole big mom assassination thing

>>154898144
i did.
i'm just a speedreader

>>154897622
Nice, thanks anon.

I wonder, if there are full blown fights this arc, who will take of him. I guess it all depends on what happens with BM. I feel that it's too early for Luffy to take her down.

The more unconventional this arc is in that regard, the better I think.

Are they going to find the One Piece soon?

>>154898346
Next chapter, anon.

>>154898012
>wtf

You don't deserve an answer,

>>154898389
wtf rude

>>154898567

He's a random guest. Are you retarded?

>>154893095
1) You're being an autist
2) Rokushiki shouldn't be translated because in English we don't translate fighting styles.
3) You're kinda right on Bullet and Ally Robo though.

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Whose return are you waiting for most;
Moria or Crocodiles? When do you think they'll appear? What role will they play?

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>>154899860
Moria Croc already made a good show off in marineford also i dream with glorious Swole Moria everyday.
Wano he's one of the principal allies of the resistance againts Kaido

>>154899860
Moria might show up at Wano due to his grudge against Kaido. I have no idea when Crocodile will show up. I'd rather see Crocodile.

>>154897170
I thought you were killing Big Mom?

>>154900037
He understands the pecking order

>>154897170
>Leave your dick to me!

Fixed that real quick.

Seriously. Ichiji has to be the biggest fujobait character since Law.

n-not that I'm a fujo or anything.

>>154892570
Luffy already considers him as a man of marines

>>154891728
No it's called observation Haki, speedreader, and it was introduced years ago you fucking moron.

>>154894123
I don't miss him at all. Hope "WHERE MUH NIGGA ZORO AT" guy is next.

>>154899860
Enel. Because you can't predict his next goal while Croc and Moria are obvious.

>>154900524
Since when does haki let you look into the future?

CoO only allowed to predict the opponent's moves not to see the future.

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>>154890018
>Red Light District Queen - Stussy
pic where?

>>154900658
>predicting your opponents movies
woah you mean, like, seeing the future???

>>154900658
>it only allows you to see the future in this specific way, it doesn't allow you to see the future
okay

>>154900524
i feel you anon, it's embarrassing how many speedreaders actually post in these threads l

>>154900709
Nope, only let you know where your opponent will be.

Good example the fight between the Boa sisters and Luffy.
However they knew where Luffy's fist will appear it was too fast so they couldn't avoid the hits.
If they were able to see the future, then Luffy couldn't hit them.

>>154900658
Is this satire? You literally disproved your own argument. Kill yourself

>>154900815
>Nope, only let you know where your opponent will be.
Implying
>If they were able to see the future, then Luffy couldn't hit them.
>Implying
Knowing the future serves nothing if you can't react to your opponent

>>154900815
You proved my point try again

>>154900815
m8 that's a terrible example
a better one is enel not being able to read dumb luffy or his deflected punches

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>>154899860
Moria returns in chapter 944. Oda hinted it already.

>>154894116
You speed read the spoilers too?

>>154900658
Remember when Luffy saw his own hands cut off by Mihawk at Marineford?

>>154896269
Dont hold so much on Zoro4Prez's translations, the guy's japanese is a mess
Wait for the chapter

>>154900850
If I see the opponent will hit me in about 2 second, then I hold him down and tie him, so he cannot do the hit.
That is the advantage what looking into the future gives you.

But they didn't do this, because they didn't see the future. The only thing they knew Luffy will hit them with his left arm, and try to kick them with right foot.
They only knew where the opponent body will be.

>>154900815
Jesus how can you be this fucking stupid?

>Nope, only let you know where your opponent will be.
You mean seeing the future?

>Good example the fight between the Boa sisters and Luffy. However they knew where Luffy's fist will appear it was too fast so they couldn't avoid the hits.
If they were able to see the future, then Luffy couldn't hit them.
No, this is a good example that proves I'm right, you just have shit for brains and can't understand it.

Just because they could see in the future where Luffy will be doesn't mean they're suddenly immune to everything he does.

>>154901009
>then I hold him down and tie him, so he cannot do the hit.
But what if he's stronger and faster than you

>>154898169
No you fucking retard

>>154901009
>But they didn't do this, because they didn't see the future. The only thing they knew Luffy will hit them with his left arm, and try to kick them with right foot.
>They only knew where the opponent body will be.
So you mean they saw the future?

>>154901031
Doesn't matter, because if I see the future, then I will know what he plans, what he will do, so I can makd preparations to avoid it.
If he's faster then I will not let him attack or I will attach before he does.

Just like Katakuri shot that man. He could wait until he attack BM and then save her. That is what CoO users did until this moment in the manga before.
They only tried to avoid the opponent's attacks not make them unable to do that movement.

CoO is a bit of a mess
Remember Luffy vs Enel? If Enel could really see the future then Gomu Gomu no Boh wouldn't have been effective. One could argue that Enel's CoO was more effective in space rather than in time(like Usopp's possibly) but we have no official word on this

>>154901119
If he's faster then he'll just dodge your attack retard

>>154901124
It's simple. Katakuri just has better CoO than Enel did.

>>154901124

CoO has levels, m8.
Enel wasn't able to look into the future that far than Katakuri can.

>>154901124
paramecias are a mess
they only affect your bodies until they can somehow affect the world too
something like that i guess

>>154901241
>CoO has levels, m8

Ah then we arrived to "my haki is stronger/more advanced than yours" powerlevel shit.
I really hate haki. It completely ruined One Piece.

Before the haki you could win against a far stronger opponent if you could manage to figure out his weakness.
Now this doesn't matter. The only thing matters how strong your haki is.

Haki imbued awakened SSJ-oh sorry I meant Gear- 9001 when?

>>154901277
Paramecias aren't really a class, they're simply all fruits that aren't zoan or logia

How could Crocodile drain Luffy?
Isn't his full body supposed to be rubber?

>>154901345
i meant like doffy's awakening allowing him to make other objects into strings

>enel comes back to earth
>brings a moon poneglyph with him and has robin translate it

He saw Robin reading the poneglyph on skypiea right? So he knows shes capable of it. Please oda I want enel back

>>154901342
>Ah then we arrived to "my haki is stronger/more advanced than yours" powerlevel shit. I really hate haki. It completely ruined One Piece.
Nice meme opinion.

>Before the haki you could win against a far stronger opponent if you could manage to figure out his weakness.
Wow you mean those two convenient instances? Yeah I remember.

>>154901374
Because his ability was all about creating strings.

Luffy cannot create rubber. So I doubt he can turn objects into rubber when his power awakens. More like he will be able to do some more rubber-related tricks with his own body.
Maybe he can manipulate its structure, can vulcanize or devulcanize himself and so on.
But I doubt he will able to manipulate the surroundings.

>>154901342
>Haki imbued awakened SSJ-oh sorry I meant Gear- 9001 when?
Oh shit you're so clever XD

>>154901342
LOL if it was up to this retard Luffy would be carrying a barrel of water on his back 24/7 in case croco boy suddenly showed up

I thought Observation Haki helped you seeing what the opponent was going to do by reading his movements. I mean it isn't a psychich ability, right?

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>>154901342
>Ah then we arrived to "my haki is stronger/more advanced than yours" powerlevel shit.
>More experience and masterie of an ability
>Better at that abillity
It's not rocket science anon

>>154901551
He only needs to scratch his own fist because his own blood is enough. He doesn't need the barrel of water anymore.

>>154901582
Only Oda knows what CoO really does. Enel could somewhat predict the future, Coby heard the thoughts of everyone at Marineford, Usopp can see through walls

>>154901647
>Coby heard the thoughts of everyone at Marineford
The little girl at Skypiea could do that i think

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Does anyone love the fact Bege seems t obe nice to his wife and is silly around his kid?

>>154901677
Then dating her is useless.

>>154901754
Well the Mafia cares about his family

>>154901754
Family above all

>>154901342
You mean the time when Luffy who is made out of rubber conveniently faced an opponent with electricity powers?

Or the time Luffy faced an opponent who uses sand which is conveniently weak to any kind of moisture?

That's not skill. That's Oda making Luffy face opponents that have clear cut and obvious counters.

Now tell me how Luffy would defeat the magma man? Dump a bucket of water on him? Or what about the ice man? Create a bonfire and hope he steps in it? What about the smoke man? Hope there's a vaccum cleaner handy so you can suck him up?

Haki is the best thing that happened to One Piece

>>154901647
It's pretty clear what it does.

1. Lets you perceive things in your surroundings like people/objects and stuff like that, which is what Enel specialized in using his DF

2. Lets you predict an opponents actions, even to the extent of seeing a little in the future which is what Katakuri specialized in.

>>154901647
Doesn't Sanji also have some weird CoO as well? Something about detecting people's feelings or some bullshit?

>>154901832
>Dump a bucket of water on him?
build a fake island that can be submerged instantly, lure akainu towards it through a complicated plan and then drop him into the sea

>>154902239
Well, he can't be very good at it

>>154892570
Literally saving his life there. If Coby is knocked out, then he will be less likely to die to a much stronger New World pirate with less reservations on killing.

>>154902264
But what if before he falls he just creates a giant landmass of magma to stand on, in the same way Aokiji could just freeze the water before he fell in?

SPOILER PICS WHEN REEEEEEEEEEE

>>154896857
so will luffy become Aizen?

>>154895603
Mont d'Or wasn't fooled by Opera's stupid act. I bet he will be one of the guys who will tell Mama that Luffy and Nami, along with many other past prisoners, are free

>>154902393
Aokiji can freeze the water by creating cold aboev it. He doesn't need to touch the see.

See can be kilometres deep. I dount Akainu can produce that many magma to create a hill on which he can stay. Not to mention he must to repeat it many times for walk out the see using the freshly created magma hills.

>>154902468
~8-9 hours from now

>>154902566
True, well I say he wouldn't fall for the trap and would just rain down magma hell from the sky onto the stupid island

>>154900964
That's just called "thinking" though. He knew that his rubber limbs would be the same as butter to Mihawks BBC

>>154902540
Then why did he let Sanji and Luffy meet eachother? He could alert the army of anger (minus Opera) right after Opera lied to him.

>>154902639
Mont dOr told the chess soldier to investigate. He wasnt aware that Luffy was running around and much less about Sanjis dramatic meeting

>>154902639
Katakuri isn't an omniscient god who can be everywhere 24/7. If he isn't there he isn't going to predict shit.

>>154902800
then he is shittier than Enel

>>154902880
Enel can't see in the future mate

>>154903267
He can't but he could constantly hear what others said.
In some case it is more powerful than seeing into the future.

>>154902880
Enel has range, but Katakuri seems to have depth, as it were.

Enel can expand his CoO over a frankly absurd area, but Katakuri seems to have a better predictive power.

>>154902880
No they're completely different.

Enel would be able to sense all of the people on WCI with his DF + CoO but he wouldn't be able to predict shit like Katakuri.

>>154901342
rayleigh fucking explained you can train CoO and CoA
fucking speedreaders I swear

>>154903372
Pretty much everything on WCI has a soul so they can hear what everyone says anyways.

>>154903475
so how does it traverse haki is a powerlevel shit?

>>154901342
>Before the haki you could win against a far stronger opponent if you could manage to figure out his weakness.
>Now this doesn't matter. The only thing matters how strong your haki is.

Then what is Cracker vs Luffy?
Nami and Luffy found Cracker's weak point so they managed to take him down.
Haki didn't matter, it only lengthened the fight.

PUDDING WILL DO SOMETHING CRAZY THAT BEGE WONT PLAN FOR

WHY THE FUCK WOULD SHE BE SUCH A GOOD ALLY OF BIG MOM

SANJI COULDNT HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT HER

BELIEVE ME SHE IS A GOOD GIRL

>>154903799
Sanji lost his shit in this arc. He even lost his ability to sense a woman's true self.

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>>154890018
>The World Economic Journal President "Big News" - Morganz

>>154903842
>Year of Sanji
>still mediocre trash and even gets taken for a fool by woman
>no Mr Prince planning, it's all Bege's
>stupid enough to think Luffy will just leave after betrayal when he didn't with Robin and he cared way less about her

the way things are going sanji might as well be killed off in this arc, he is THAT useless

>>154902317
just doesn't use it.

>>154890018
>Stussy
I am triggered. That's clearly made from the word "hussy".

>>154903842
>>154903921
Is there any way Sanji can redeem himself?

>>154903921
I hope Oda kills him off, it would be mercy at this point.

>>154903993
He doesn't have to.

All he has to do is come back to the Sunny and everything is fine.

>sanji dies
>luffy looses his goodness and becomes an inhuman monster like the other pirates
>new monster trio is luffy-zoro-jimbe
>one piece ends with luffy creating the worst tyranny the world has ever seen

>>154903993
Die

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[SPOILER] sanji sister turns into mermaid and joins jenbeis crew, along with blackbeard and the corpse of whitbaerd.

Jenbei has polygraphs and is now pirate king.

Luffy prints out a bunch of sagacious quotes from the series, and spends the rest of his life handing them out to whoever will pay him attention.

Zoro marries garp.

Franky combines with chopper and brook to create wing zero gundam.

Nico robin starts an investment fund, and buys sanji's ketchup company for 1.2 billion berries.

Nami joins the peace corp and spends the rest of her life helping starving children in developing countries.

Ussop is the CEO, founder, and sole owner of Ussopia; the most prolific themepark/resort/casino. He eventually runs for office in westblue and becomes the new face of the alt-right (now making it all right), spearheading a campaign to benefit solely the small businesses that are owned by natives, while increasing defense spending by $54billion to fortify borders and world peace. He remains an excellent physical and metaphorical sniper.

[\SPOILER]

>>154904022
he can't kill him off, but maybe he will quit the crew to go back to east blue and protect baratie so that he finally is out of the picture and oda doesn't have to destroy him even further

Wasn't it said somewhere that Haki Mastery among the SH are;

Luffy: CoC
Zoro: CoA (knows CoO)
Sanji: CoO (Knows CoA)

We also know that Usopp unlocked CoO

Brook -> Unknown
Nami -> Unknown
Robin -> Unknown
Chopper -> Unknown
Franky -> Unknown

If I had to guess.
Robin -> CoO
Nami -> CoO
Chopper -> CoA
Franky -> CoA
Brook -> CoC

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>>154901832
But haki is what you've just said but without the need to think of anything original each time.

Yes Oda created a scenario where the guy was made out of sand, and water was rare. So Luffy had to (a) realise his weakness (b) find water in a drought-ridden country (c) take the water to Crocodile somehow in a mobile way (d) beat him before running out of water. Then the water plan still went wrong but he figured out he could use blood instead. It also tied in thematically because the drought was intertwined with the civil war. It was a sand country so Croc fitted in with that. Fighting a sandman in a desert, water is his only weakness it seems but there's no fucking water. An interesting and thematic setup.

Oda made that all up and would have to make up a new thing each time for each fresh character. But instead Oda made up just one more scenario; a far simpler one. Oda said "Okay, his hand goes magic and he hits him". It's way simpler. And it gets used every time from now on forever more. Enemy one: hand goes magic and he hits him. Enemy two: hand goes magic and he hits him. Enemy three: hand goes magic and he hits him.

>>154904170
would be the best solution

>>154904260
>Oda made that all up and would have to make up a new thing each time for each fresh character.
Yeah and that's retarded, pointless, stupid, and impractical.

Tell me a simple way for how Luffy would beat Smoker with no Haki.

>>154904260
what if oda wanted to introduce more Logias like Gas Logia and figured it would be kinda bad if there were only contrieved ways to beat it. Ace for example could only be defeated Akainu or some water guy in your scenario.

>>154904427
We want the author to use his imagination and creatively come up with new methods. Not just come up with "magic fists" as a catch-all copout. The simplicity isn't a good thing, that's the content of the series to a degree. It's like saying the manga should just have Luffy teleport to One Piece because it's simple and nice. Why come up with anything complicated like circumnavigating the globe and meeting new friends, learning about the world, etc. Why bother when he can just use magic to teleport there?

>>154903978

Or Pussy or both.

>>154904487
While Luffy is running around looking for a mirror to test a theory, Kizaru blows up his face into oblivion.

>>154904487
Because it actually makes storytelling way worse. Dude, without Haki, it would be just Logia guys dominating everything. It's boring. For example Sengoku having a Zoan or Shanks not having a devil fruit is just impossible. And Logia fruits are fun to have. Haki is a good idea.

>>154904487
Shut the fuck up and answer my question.

Give me a way for Luffy to beat Smoker with no Haki.

>>154900903
That's Zoro's death

>>154904467
No. Ace was defeated by getting in the way to save Luffy. He wouldn't have lost if he wasn't trying to save Luffy. That's what I mean, it was an interesting thing related to the story and characters - not just Akainu's special fist. Ace let himself be hit, haki didn't come into it. He took a bullet, metaphorically, so letting the bullet pass through wouldn't make any sense.

Ace could be defeated perhaps by Caesar by surrounding Ace and cutting off the oxygen - the same reason water puts out fire and would beat Ace. He could be defeated by BB's special power of sucking in the DF.

>>154904557
Like how Crocodile is dominating Luffy, and Enel is dominating Luffy?

>>154904570
Use his own jutte thing against him? Poetic justice that would be more interesting than just MAGIC PUNCH. Besides, this is kind of the point, Oda's job is to come up with this stuff for us. It's why we "pay" him for his product.

>>154904570
Same way griffith beat cloud Ganishka

>>154891567

>Not he can't.
Apparently he can, according to the One Piece wiki:
"He is capable of moving and attacking at the speed of light"
"Kizaru's main style of combat involves kicking at the speed of light."

>Or Marco and Rayleigh are also able to match light speed.
Maybe he wasn't going full speed against either of them? That would make sense, since it looked like Marco and Rayleigh weren't going all out either.

>Don't post him taunting Hawkins. It's what it is. A taunt.
Taunting or not, he was still moving faster than Hawkins could react. This also applies to when he kicked X Drake in the face.

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>>154890018
>Red Light District Queen

>>154901342
>Before the haki you could win against a far stronger opponent if you could manage to figure out his weakness.

Haki is the great equalizer. Every character can fight every other character by training their haki. Their luck in finding devil fruit types, how much money they have to purchase them, whether they were raised knowing Fishman Karate or Ramen Kenpo doesn't matter because haki can make them all viable. If anything being forced to find an opponent's weakness because your unique fighting style is useless would remove a lot of creativity from the fights.

>>154903911
please no oda

>>154904646
Yeah because Smoker is going to hand Luffy his Jutte.

Try again. You're just proving that Haki is a good idea.

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>>154904487

Shut the fuck up. Haki is a really good thing for the story. It changes very little since everything had been introduced way earlier and the logia issue is fixed. You are crying about something that just doesn't exist. Watch them defeat Big Mom, an opponent individually way stronger than Luffy with creativity, as always.

How could Ace hold back Smoker at Alabasta?

Smoke kills Fire because doesn't let it take oxygen.

>>154904664

> Wiki

I have some bad news for you

>>154904725
Silence you white ass piece of shit.

>>154904715
There could be a plan to steal it at night when he sleeps. An interesting storyline where they sneak into whatever fort he's in. Or maybe it's magnetic and there's another guy that has magnetic powers and pulls it away from him when he turns into smoke. In short, SOMETHING FUCKING CREATIVE. Not just a fucking punch which functions as nothing more than a "Whoops guys, I made up this thing and now I can't be bothered to think of cool things so let's pretend I never made it up".

>>154904725
You mean like how he beat Doffy by hitting him really, really hard?

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Pudding is a good girl.

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>Leave Katakuri to me!

>>154904785
>There could be a plan to steal it at night when he sleeps. An interesting storyline where they sneak into whatever fort he's in. Or maybe it's magnetic and there's another guy that has magnetic powers and pulls it away from him when he turns into smoke.
Fucking hell someone kill me, this post reeks of some stupid fanfiction

>>154904785
>You mean like how he beat Doffy by hitting him really, really hard?

You know exactly what i mean. I even posted an image.

>>154904166
What the fuck

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If pic related doesn't fight and defeat katakuri Oda is a hack

>>154904845
As stupid as "Luffy's hand goes black (sometimes) and really really hard and then he hits the man that can't be hit because his hand is special because Luffy is special and awesome!!!! XD"

>>154904785
You you fail to see the irony in every one of your posts. Your bullshit suggestions are just as bullshit as the thing you accuse Oda of doing

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Year of Jinbe's death

>>154904905
Actually anyone can learn Haki speedreader

>>154904931
Year of forced memes.

>>154896770
>>154900988
My post only exists as a response to someone else's post based on the spoiler, so telling me this is pretty much meaningless.

>>154896915
It's an undetermined amount of time, but the weight is determined: it's enough to warrant Bege commenting on it. In fiction, a character's words carry more weight than their actions. An author can have a character lift a mountain in one panel and then struggle to break ordinary handcuffs in the next, but another character saying, "They're one of the top 3 strongest people in the world," means they're one of the top 3 strongest people in the world. Bege comments on Katakuri being a master CoO Haki user, so he is. The actual strength of his precognition can be figured out later.

>>154904919
Even if that was true, at least he'd have to come up with a new idea each time instead of falling back on magic hands. He's doing something objectively worse because we have, according to you, "idea #1", then later "idea #2" then later "Idea #3. These things are bullshit according to you. Then we have "idea #1", "idea #1", "idea #1". These things are also bullshit according to you.

So we have new bullshit each time or the same piece of lazy bullshit wheeled out hundreds of times because Oda's just given up and wants to slow this shit down and just mindlessly move through it as the millions file in.

>>154892463
>>154892126
Are you actually implying that anyone in the plan to assassante big mom can take a sweet commander 1v1? It took luffy nami and the homies 14 hours to bear cracker and that is only because he got too cocky and hasty.

>>154904979
You suck balls all day just because you like it so much.

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>>154901342
You can still defeat a guy with strong Haki without even using Haki.

Remember Luffy overwhelmed two Haki experts before he even knew what it was.

>>154904989
No anon you're ideas are exactly the same.

They all revolve around the SH's conveniently having the the counter to the powers of every opponent they're facing.

>Luffy fights Smoker
>xD it's ok guys we conveniently have someone with magnetic powers now and can win!!!!!

>>154904805
I don't think she'll shoot Sanji due to her thoughts on last chapter, but if she did, Sanji wouldn't be able to dodge as he'd fall for her in that dress.

>>154904905
You're retarded on a fundamental level because you don't grasp the meta narrative significance of haki.

Think of dividing the story into pre and post time skip. In the pre time skip era, logia users are relatively rare and are near invincible. Luffy doesn't stand a chance against Smoker, he ekes out a win against crocodile partially through luck and Croc's arrogance, and he stands no chance against the admirals.

In the pre-TS, the only time logias appeared was in the possession of an extremely powerful individual, usually an enemy. It was used to show Luffy and co.'s inexperience.

Now transition to post-TS and what happens? The first logia we see again is some random rookie who continually gets stomped. Ceaser gets a single win on Luffy through surprise, then is summarily beaten. Monet doesn't stand a chance against Zoro.

Do you see what's happening? In the New World, what matters isn't just the ability but the experience of the user. The presence of Haki (something that was shown in he earliest chapters) lets fighters have an equal footing with fruits that would otherwise be overpowering. This allows Oda to make more interesting fruit powers, because now the crew members have a logical way of dealing with them.

>>154905098
Jinbe probably could.

>>154905177

He's a faggot. His own headcanon about the problems haki coud've lead to matter more than the actual use of haki in the manga.

>>154904989
This only works for Logias, and you seem to be the only person who wants some bullshit contrived way for them to win against one.

With two people without Logias "my Haki is stronger" is literally no different than "I can punch you harder".

>>154905201
Nigger what do you have any evidence to back this up? Ace fought Jinbe to a stand still when he was fresh into the grand line the best feast we've seen Jinbei do was sucker punch a fatty

>>154890018
>1,057,000,000 bounty

IT'S BIGGER THAN JACKS

>>154905305
Ace was really really strong. And so is Jinbe. I don't understand what you're doing. Do you think that's a counterpoint? Because it isn't.

>>154904639
>pirate anime
>implying a skull symbolizes literally anything at this point
retard

>>154905348
Ok then what about Hordy or the fact he couldn't even handle a Pasftica at Marineford? The only two fights we've seen him when are Moriah who he hard counters then Sucker punching the Cream guy from Big moms crew. What facts do you have to claim he is strong?

>>154905305
Ace was also quickly became the second division commander of the Whitebeard pirates, which means he held a similar position to the Sweet commanders or the Calamities.

Haki is bullshit.

Teach spent decades to find a fruit which is useful against Logias, instead of mastering his haki.
Yeah that's because haki wasn't a thing before Sabaody.

The proof is in the pudding buddy.

You still haven't been able to present a legitimate way for Luffy to beat people like Smoker, Akainu, Caesar, Aokiji without Haki that doesn't rely on some bullshit plot armour.

>>154905435
He didn't get that spot as soon as he got into the grand line it was showed he was in the crew for a while before he reached that spot and that still doesn't excuse the fact he was powerless vs Hordy.

>>154905398

Jinbei couldn't handle a pacifista? When? doubt thta since Hancock was literally one shooting them and destroyed a dozens on her own.

>>154905439
That's not why he got the fruit at all speedreader.

>>154894123

I've been unbanned but if I post it again I'll surely be permabanned

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>>154905439
Holy shit kizaru-kun

>>154905439
Haki doesn't negate all DF powers like Teach's fruit does retard, it also doesn't let you have more than one DF.

>>154900574
I really like that anon though

>>154905398
>Ok then what about Hordy

What about him? I don't recall ever hearing anything about Hordy defeating Jinbe.

>or the fact he couldn't even handle a Pasftica at Marineford?

Huh?

> What facts do you have to claim he is strong?

He's a former Shichibukai who fought one of Whitebeard's division commanders to a stand still.

He's respected as one of the strongest men on the seas.

>>154905464
No, but he also didn't fight Jinbe right after he got onto the Grandline either. He had a high bounty on his head prior to that fight.

Ace left home when he was 17, like Luffy. He died at age 20. In those three years, he became and acted as the Whitebeard second division commander. I think it is fair to say that, at the point he fought Jinbe, he was not much weaker than the point at which he became second division commander.

Also, you're going to have to source the part where he is powerless against Hordy. He gets captured as part of a plan, yes, but there is never any indication that Hordy can beat or even put up a fight against Jinbe.

>>154901342
Haki is just a system to balance the playing field between people without Devil Fruits and Logias, and to explain all the superhuman tropes of battle shounen. Most battle manga don't give a name to that kind of shit, it just is. Someone can survive getting shot in the head, not because of Haki, but because "they're strong." One Piece isn't really different. It always had power levels. You're just an idiot.

>>154905464
No, but he'd only been a pirate for a few years before Luffy.

And before that, he was offered a spot in the Shichibukai. Ace was a very powerful rookie who was fast on the rise.

>>154905561
Regardless of how wrong that anon is, teaches fruit is shit. Imagine if he had sugars fruit. Or even puddings.

>>154905772
>Can steal other fruits powers
>Negates abilities at touch
How is shit exactly?

>>154893219

this.
going easy on robin would've made him a feminist.

>>154905810
>erasing people from existance as long as you don't get knocked out
or
>completely changing peoples memories to whatever you want

Comparatively its pretty shit, yeah.

>>154893219
>>154905850
>women are naturally physically weaker
>a fact zoro knows more than anyone else
>goes on all out on a naturally weaker person

it's not feminism to pretend biology isnt real even though with the third wave it might as well seem that way

>>154905772
Wrong. His fruit provides the ultimate defense from sucking up Whitebeard's Earthquakes and Magellan's poison waves if he was quicker on the ball. And his touch undoing your body's transformation is absolute killer for Zoans, Rubber or Diamond men, and forms like Gear 4.

He doesn't even need speed, his fat ass stands in one place and sucks you towards him. Imagine G4 Luffy zipping around all over the place, Blackbeard sucks him up into his palm and diables G4 and Luffy's rubber defenses that instant, with the other hand he earthquakes human Luffy's face. That fucking hurts.

>>154905439
Armament Haki ≠ Negation of Devil Fruit

>>154905895
If someone engages in a fight with you, they forfeit their right to polite treatment. Unless they're completely powerless, but Robin isn't and Enel knows this. In a world with superpowers, pure brute muscular strength isn't the only factor, and only an idiot ignores this

>>154905926
Luffy will still have momentum. He's the easiest counter to teach. So what if he 'removes' his DF power if he touches him. His hands/legs flying toward you at super sonic speed is still going to hit you and hurt you.

>>154905810

He doesn't steal with his own DF power...

>>154905772

Sugar is shit because you have the body and the mind of a child for your whole life and Pudding has no use in combat at all. His fruit is really good.

>>154905926

So much this. People always forget he can absorb any attack with his darkness before impact.

>>154905305
Jinbe was a Shichibukai.

>>154905098
Sanji/Brook Tag Team and the Nigga is probably dead.

>>154906054
Yes he does speedy

>>154906054
>He doesn't steal with his own DF power...
Teach wanted the Yami Yami for something mate and sure it wasn't to hit Logia users

>>154906034
Good thing Blackbeard is a tank and doesn't mind exchanging blows. How many shockwaves from Whitebeard and Sengoku did he take in Marineford and still got up and walked away? But how good is non-rubber Luffy at tanking blows? Probably not even close to Blackbeard since it's only a problem he recently had to deal with.

>>154906147
>think its his fruit that gives him the ability
>not that 'D' means you can eat as many devil fruits as you want but nobody knows that except teach and why would you risk it

>>154906118

No, he doesn't. His crew has been confirmed to be able to steal DF powers even he's not around.

>>154906194
>His crew has been confirmed to be able to steal DF powers even he's not around.
Steal the fruit anon not the power

>>154906225

What do you even mean? They can steal the power of anyone. We don't even know exactly how BB did.

>>154906194
That's different you moron. Everyone knows if you kill someone their fruit will respawn in the nearest fruit of the same kind.

Teach can accomplish this with just his DF.

>>154906306
Are you okay anon?

>>154906194
Must be why Burgess, one of his top commander, was fighting in Dressrosa without any DF.

They steal the fruits by killing the users and letting the bag full of fruits on their back absorb the power. Just like we saw with Slimey, when a DF user dies the power reincarnates in another fruit nearby.

Only BB can have more than one because it's literally the reason he wanted his DF in the first place, don't overcomplicate it with chimeras or vestigial twin theories.

>>154906295

More headcanon? We don't know how BB managed to steal WB's power. No reason to assume he did differently.

>>154905895
They're all scrubs before God so it doesn't make a difference

>>154906295
>>154906359

Teach can disable powers, not outright steal them. Why do you think they covered white beard and had a huge sack with them at marineford. They didn't know what fruit his earthquake fruit was originally. Found it among their sack of fruits, fed it to teach and then he got it.

>>154906359
>More headcanon? We don't know how BB managed to steal WB's power. No reason to assume he did differently
We don't need to assume, speedy, we saw it. Keep up.

>>154906343

Of course that's how they are stealing DF powers. Him being able to have two fruits at once due to the yami yami no is just not confirmed. Just very likely.

>>154906410
It wasn't a sack dumbass, it was a sheet

>>154906430

No, we din't headcanonfag. He was covered.

post

worst arc
best arc

me:
fishman worst
java best

>>154906492
Why are you trying to deny something everyone knows is true?

Do you want to be a special snowflake or something?

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When will this miracle show himself again?

>>154905926
Blackbeard has never been shown intercepting projectiles with his ability though and never uses it for defense. It seems more likely that he's extra vulnerable against poison and the like because he sucks it up.

>>154906564
He can't, BB just negated WB's powers before he could quake him.

We already saw BB wasn't immune to Ace's flame spears.

In a way I kinda agree with the guy saying that the way Haki was handled cheapened things

I mean, sure. Luffy wouldn't be able to beat his opponents simply without it but honestly limitations breed creativity, and let's be real here most of the time we know he's going to win one way or another

I'd rather see him win through a convoluted/silly/unexpected way than just regular punching. I mean, what's the point of giving him logias to fight if their biggest strength is moot anyway?

Although I'll admit that his fight against Lucci was amazing, but it was stablished that Lucci's strong point was physical and he almost bested Luffy at that at the time, Logias have one strong point of being intangible. I don't know, I just think it would be neater if at least Haki had less general rules.

>>154906665
But it's not really moot. Just having Haki doesn't mean you can beat a Logia or land a hit on them in the first place.

>>154890018
This is the worst arc in all of One Piece

WANO WHEN???????????

>>154906629

Of course he can if he's fast enough. He absorbed a whole city.

>>154906868
In a year.

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how can Oda make Enel more powerful bros?

>>154906665
But the whole "creativity" way only works when there's an obvious hard counter like against Crocodile.

You're not going to beat Akainu without Haki by being creative as there's no real hard counter for his DF.

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>>154891704
chuckled

>>154906549

How so? For now, only one way to steal DF power has been confirmed. We know for sure his crew is able to steal df powers without him. Why the fuck would we assume he did differently? Your headcanon is far from making consensus in the communauty.

>>154907025
Akainu seems barely defeatable even with Haki

>introduce even more literally whos no one cares about

DID HACKODA NOT LEARN FROM HACK ROSA?

>>154907074
There's a difference between stealing DF by killing their most recent users and taking the power for yourself.

The crew probably figured out somehow that once you kill a DF user the fruit reappears nearby and use that to collect them all. Either they sell them for cash or eat them, but considering that Burgess showed no sign of supernatural power I'm tempted to say this isn't the case, though it could be easily explained as him simply thinking he's already powerful enough.

However, Marco did say that the fact that BB managed to use WB's power was due to his body, and clearly since he ate the Yami-yami no Mi his body has one particularity that singles it out from every other character in the manga.

>>154907074
I don't know why you're still pretending that you don't know BB used his DF to steal WB's. What do you gain by denying something so obvious?

>>154905887
or
>being completely immune to their extremely powerful abilities, in addition to stealing their powers and giving them to people loyal to you

Comparatively it shits on both of them lol, DF reliant CQC like those two dumb sluts would get absolutely dominated by BB.

>>154907166
yeah but dude world building lmao

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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGGA ZORO?

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>>154896961
>"The lily, known scientifically as Erythronium japonicum, is native to central and northern Japan, the Korean peninsula, and most of eastern China. Despite being a member of the lily family, it is nonetheless commonly referred to as a “dogtooth violet.”

Katakuri Dog Zoan incoming

>>154905177
>hey_kid_wanna_Sssssss.jpg

>>154907206

It was a fair assumption back then. Not since Punk Hazard, retard.

>>154907198

> There's a difference between stealing DF by killing their most recent users and taking the power for yourself.

Yeah... You have to eat it if you want the power. I'm not sure to understand your point. How is this different from what i'm saying?

>>154907326
I laughed

>>154905343
Oddly enough, we haven't seen Big Mom's bounty.

>>154906868
>This is the worst arc in all of One Piece
This isn't Sky island though

>>154907357
My favourite meme

>>154907357
Fisherman was worse, even though we got some of that Shahahaha.

>>154907329
Because one involves eating the DF after it respawns and the other is just stealing the power itself like BB did.

>>154907394
>>154907409
>sky island felt like filler to everyone who watched it before reading the manga
>it can totally be erased from the manga without losing any plot progression
>not the worst arc
oi wew

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>>154907394
Sky island was fucking lame mate after rereading the colored one piece not that long ago I don't understand why people shit on Dressrosa for bringing in so many side characters but praise SKypieada when it does the same exact shit.

>>154907487

There's nothing indicating BB din't eat the fruit after it respawned.

>>154907505
>still forcing the meme
oi wew

>>154907329
You know, I think it's just semantic.

When some guys say "steal DF" they mean killing the user and taking the DF popping up nearby, not necessarily eating it.
And when some other say that expression they mean it in the sense of what BB did with WB, meaning "taking a DF you got from a recent kill and eating it to gain a power".

You should probably work that out, but I don't know what you mean when you mention Punk Hazard. All the arc did concerning DF was to show that once an user is killed the fruit reappears nearby, which doesn't contradict what BB did in Marineford.

Will Sanji show his value as a member of the Monster Trio?

>>154907520
The cloak does

Can we finally agree that Usopp is the superior straw hats member?

>>154907512
thank god I know you're being ironic or else I'd think you were actually retarded

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>>154907505

When will Pudding get her name box?

I'm guessing when she reveals herself, but considering that she's apparently shooting Sanji, it might happen a bit later, when she does whatever she's thinking of to kill Sanjay.

>>154907565
he is more useful than sanji so yes

>powers up Nami in a meaningful name
>saves the strawhats against enemies that no one else can defeat
>helped Luffy get a huge ass fleet to help him out

he is also a fantastic character overall

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>>154907577
Explain what part of that setnence is ironic how about you try defending the arc? The only answer I ever get is that it gives a since of adventure which I still don't understand because Thriller bark was a way better Adventure arc.