This is Bra, she was just born. Say something nice to her.
What's up with you idiots always making threads before the bump limit?
80 years old and still voice acting. I can't imagine Dragon Ball without her if she passes on.
He's only useless in the anime, he's been useful in the manga.
No Toei-Shin is on a whole new level of useless.
In the original manga Shin detonated Ki blasts with his eye blast to save Gohan and also saved Goku and Vegeta from Buu's blast.
Is anyone else kind of bummed out that Future Trunks left before he could see his would-have-been baby sister be born?
>that's more that can be said for his buddies.
I know it's Toei filler, but...
Don't worry he'll have his time to shine taking out Merged Zamasu.
It will be a let down with such a lack of build up, was never a threat to black and co.
Since Toyotaro is coherent as fuck, it will be probably Goku who do it (this will be great though since the Anime Genkidama came out of nowhere) and will have to be Fucking strong since it must compensate with the weakling if they borrow it.
Aren't the competent kai useful enough to take the last kill though by just borrowing Genkidama?
>Goku accumulate the vitality of the twelve universes
>everyone except Trunks is defeated , though Goku still have the attack charged
>Trunks absorbs it
>Multiversal Spirit Sword defeat Zamas
It will happen?
Too bad you're wrong and you don't understand what "canon" means at all. Manga and anime have their own continuity (which isn't new) and manga one is canon and that's not even relevant.
The resistance is Toei's invention, not in the outline, not existing, just filler, they don't exist, Toyotaro can't replace them because they never existed.
Anime came out before the Manga, me too I can make shitty retarded argument.
Both versions follow Toriyama outline then add and/or adapt their stuff.
Toriyama agreed for two version.
>Vegeta is 0-3 with Goku
>God you're truly retarded.
Oh, the sweet irony... OK what about if you learn about what canon means before post more? I'll be waiting.
Toriyama is also agree with DBZ which follows Toriyama original manga, so? Oh yeah I forgot you're using a shitty retarded argument as you said
>Both versions follow Toriyama outline therefore both are canon!
Yeah... looks like this actually is another "people don't understand what canon means" episode. Well, time to ignore the ignorants, then.
>Bra is not a slut
not yet at least
>I liked these filler characters
Good then anon but you can't replace filler because filler is filler, it doesn't matter if it's good, bad, if you like it or not.
>zamasu and black fusion like shit
Keep crying, that's how Potara fusion is. Also how is that an argument to claim the arc is rushed?
>Goku not fighting black
So the arc is rushed because Toriyama doesn't care at all of make a doppelganger fight?
>Comparing DBZ and DBS
Toriyama was the one writing his Manga with his editor correcting him, DBZ it's obviously a direct adaptation.
Here, Toriyama still do stuff but an mangaka and one company use it to make their version.
>b-but Toriyama is OK with Toei extending the same outline he use and extend with Toyotaro for the manga, that means both stories canonically happened!
Why DB's average fan is so dumb?
>Why DB's average fan is so dumb?
>fan is so dumb?
literally chapters 13-22 have all been about Trunks with the exception of the two with Vegeta.
only 90's faggots get this
Even in Vegeta's chapters he has his moments.
Even Kaioshin can be a bait.
The fact is that he was never relevant against them and will never be.
As if Toyotaro can't give him a coherent power up, he just doesn't want since he's such a fanboy about vegeta.
Some people enjoyed Trunks' rage boosts; they made an important character able to keep up with the main cast and villain. On the other hand, some people hated it due to the overall lack of explanation behind these moments.
>The fact is that he was never relevant against them and will never be.
How can you a state it's fact when the arc isn't even finished?
The thing is that no one ever bothers to abuse the easily abusable shit they have at their disposal to make characters stronger and still having it make sense.
>Zenkais that come and go as long as it's necessary
There really is no excuse to have a saiyan be fodder tier or have asspull powerups.
Maybe because merged zamasu is already there?
Maybe because it's so obvious that he can't surpass vegeto out of nowhere?
He will just borrow goku's Genkidama and will count on it entirely since he's so weak.
>Goku creates Genkidama
>In a reference to the Saiyan saga he gives it Trunks, just like when he gave it to Kuririn (Also there are panels used for reference)
>Trunks merges Genki with sword
>Zamasu split in two
She's training potential candidates* so don't worry, the ride will never end until you die
He doesn't even have to finish Zamasu. If Vegito and Zamasu end up being evenly matched and Zamasu somehow gets an upper hand, Trunks should be able to distract him and help Vegito deal the death blow. Or you can have Vegito defuse after badly wounding Zamasu, and with Vegeta and Goku weakened due to fusion strain/damage, Trunks is there to finish off Zamasu (also severely damaged due to combination of hard beating from Vegito and his fusion/regeneration fucking up because of partial immortality). In this scenario Trunks doesn't even need magical power ups.
>saves Goku to being killed and his body stolen by Zamas via time travel
>saves everyone for Black-Zamas combo
>saves Goku and Vegeta's lifes again even if that means sacrifice himself
>still fight to win time (also save Gowas) after have been raped by Rosé Black the previous chapter
As trunksfag I enjoyed see SSA fighting but regardless the version Trunks was never an actual threat for the villains until the end so give him that power up seems really dumb for me. Specially because he only defeats the villain after get ANOTHER power up which totally invalidates relevancy of the previous one.
Just one, one single power up at the end would be fine, two are dumb as fuck. I think SSA at the end would be better than Genki-dama sword but I don't care which one Trunks finally gets if there's no more.
He would still get the final blow, and with Goku and Vegeta weakened he is still the only one to finish Zamasu at the moment. He asked for their help in the first place, he isn't bringing the peace on his own either way.
Potara fusion gets even stronger when Kaioshin/God is part of it, there, not like it's that much of a retcon compared to the mortal time limit. Or Zamasu's immortality has a side effect of burst of energy right after fusion, with severe drawback of fusion getting unstable later or after heavy damage.
This so much.
You guys don't seems to understands how much disappointed we're about trunks in the Manga, literally one of the three saiyan who fight the most, at his thirty, being so irrelevant in his own arc.
Getting the final blow after being irrelevant in his arc is a let down.
Even in the Anime, vegeta said that even if he understands that he need help, Trunks shouldn't be such a defeatist and be more than he's in the Manga for example.
Toriyama deserves his rest you fool.
“There was a time where I slept only twenty minutes over the spawn of six days,”
That's why you make him contribute greatly in the fight against merged Zamasu despite him knowing he is not as strong as Vegito or Zamasu - but he can still do something. Unexplainable last minute power up is much worse than that.
Lack of explanation indeed but at least he was relevant and showed all Zamasu's shit has done to him, never an saiyan suffered this much.
I rather have this than an useless trunks who will be never seen again.
In the Manga, Kaioshin can do it, even Fucking Gowasu can do the final blow.
Well how does that make the situation any better for Zamasu and Black?
They're not rivals, if the statement is absolute like you imply and they still wound up being stronger than Vegetto then it's another aspect that was retconned from the fusion.
>Well how does that make the situation any better for Zamasu and Black?
Old Kai saying some type of fusion is stronger or weaker means Potara fusion actually changes according how the ussers are related. Black and Zamasu are literally the same person, that's clearly a new type of fusion never seen, it can be as strong as plot demands
The fuck are saying?
Black has gotten stronger by using his "feeling" , then surpass vegeta again.
The studio said directly that black was the strongest fighter without counting fusion and gods of destruction.
Trunks is still stronger than Shin or Gowasu.
It's Trunks's arc, but the big point was also the fact he went to the past to seek for help, it was his plan to save the future all along. Invalidating Vegito's input into the final fight just to give Trunks a pointless asspull buff, instead of just showing that despite the difference in power he can still fight side by side with him and lead to Zamasu's demise is stupid. You can make Trunks save the day and keep the internal logic of the series at the same time. His plan, his effort, that still matters enough, and he doesn't need a literal power of friendship/justice ending.
To fight at the caliber of Merged Zamasu Vegetto would have to last more than 5 min.
Zamasu's regeneration makes it a game of fatigue as well.
Remember he traded his immortality to achieve higher power.
Merged zamasu in the Anime Was also weakened.
Trunks he's so weak compared to goku and Vegeta than if he do the final blow, it will not be thanks to his power.
So indeed, if the genkidama can make it up for that, then Gowasu and Kaioshin can do it.
>in the manga
Why the fuck he didn't in the anime either?
Vegeta talked about this in the Anime and said him to be more than a defeatist.
You know, Trunks has gotten stronger and handled the cyborg himself, his first goal was to make goku fight them remember?
you trunks chicks already fawn over regular toranksuu sooo much.
I would have been unable to stomach the fawning over ssg trunks so I called uncle toriyama and told him to not let toyo do it
Actively contributing in the final fight instead of leaving that solely to Vegito would be perfectly acceptable.
>You know, Trunks has gotten stronger and handled the cyborg himself, his first goal was to make goku fight them remember?
It took him heavy training including a year in RoSaS get that strong, remember?
Why are you asking us? You should be asking Toriyama for not including that in the plot outlines. (laughs)
>your argument is shit
At least I have an argument, all you've been doing is yelling and screaming that Trunks isn't Mary Sue enough yet and the arc is about to end.
Stop acting like the world is going to end when we haven't even read the final chapters.
No, seriously. Trunks could did the ritual in both versions, what's with the manga?
No, more like, why they don't even try in the anime? You must train to learn how to go SSG at will in the manga so the ritual would be only temporal, but if in the anime you can power up your forms via ritual if you're "a fighting genius", why don't try it?
I know how you will react anyway if my prediction happen:
>You will see, Trunks will get a power up and being relevant
>Last chapter is out
>Well, he just borrowed goku's Genkidama but at least it's coherent?
The same thing was said last month, you will see Gowasu doing stuff to trunks so he will be relevant... Etc
>Trunks get asspull A
>Trunks get asspull B
>Trunks get asspull A which is totally irrelevant because he's not actually useful until he get asspull B as well
That sucks. SS Ikari or Spirit Bomb sword, any of those would be fine, what I don't want is both
Don't you fucking include me as of one of them. The last 2 threads were made before reaching the bump limit and before that a new thread hit bump limit before the old one
smugpupfag who is vocal about hating animevmanga decided to make webm joke thread instead of seperate ones
The anime and manga co-exist.
Neither are more canon than the other.
Both of them follow Toriyama's basic outline.
Toriyama's outline will never be fleshed out by him, all you have are both interpretations following it.
The canon debate doesn't matter because this shit is ending with EoZ no matter what.
Can we drop this argument once and for all, even if you have a preference?
You're right except the Manga is more canon than the Anime.
Hello Bra, your mother's one of the only characters that I still like in the series and she's been there since the very beginning.
Sorry but Toribot ranks higher than Zenchans.
I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.
Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!
>Hating on someone who actually expresses his opinions in a non abrasive manner most of the time
I also hope smugpup posts more often especially if it irritates shitposters like you
Here is a card just for (You)
Yes but there's an anon out there who intentionally takes up both sides of the argument to start and continue it. Devious guy.
That's besides the point, blame Toriyama if you don't like it.
Noth of them are canon if we follow your logic.
You're talking about the guy who doesn't write entirely DBS and then let the other do their own approach.
He will obviously approve each episode if he has to like he apporeved GT before because he doesn't care about the script.
He only complained about QUALITY.
Going anywhere special NINGEN?
>moralfag furry protagonist who advocates peace and kindness
>sinister anon who plays multiple sides in a war so that the thread is always at each other for his own amusement
>chaosfag anon who hates smugpup because he's too gentle of a personality and would derive great pleasure from killing and removing him
Holy shit it's as these threads themselves are a anime and manga meant for children. It might be an even better story than Dragon Ball Super.
Thanks for the laugh, pic related as a thanks!
That's not me, I'm right here anon. The reason I haven't killed myself nor do I ever contemplate it, is that there are people out there who are happier with me around. You shouldn't hurt yourself either.
>Toriyama makes an outline for some series, but none of those series are canon at all, only the outline specifically created to be extended into series
OK kid time to leave this thread now
>anon threatens self harm
>smugpup does not want chaosfag anon to self harm
>but if chaosfaganon is allowed to continue he will cause more harm to the thread!!
>what will smugpupfag do?? Find out next thread on Dragon Ball Super
Nah since Dragon Ball Room was established the team at Shueisha now decides what gets in the games now.
Even if it appears that the anime continuity is very present currently in the videogame the people that are now pulling the strings are Shueisha.
I genuinely like his posts and don't care that he's a furry even if I'm not one. Here have an image of basil if furry angers you so much.
>smugpupfag orbiters and enemies
>anime v manga niggers
>nothing but reposts and shitposts
This has become a general
mods pls ban us only allow a DBS thread 1 day before a episode and 3 day after one episode
Reminder that Goku's name is "Gokou"
Beerus is "Beers"
Buu is "Boo"
Mr. Satan real name is "Mark"
17 and 18 names are "Lapis" and "Lazuli"
and nobody knows Turtle Hermit's name, same about his sister
You will never see Black and Zamas chilling in their ningen house in the manga because you don't read the manga.
Guys, if there was a particular moment from Dragon Ball, Z or Super that you would change that could change the entire outcome of the entire series, or fix a few problems that have been causing many inconsistencies, what would you change? Try to refrain from "X main character dies so nothing in the series ever happens".
Still more canon than the anime! (laughs)
I'd change the part where Gohan goes SSJ2, Goku sacrifices himself to save the planet, and Gohan eventually wins to:
Goku entrusts Gohan to fight Cell, but Cell kills Gohan, this causes Goku to go SSJ2 and fight Cell and eventually win. Gohan is wished back but then fades into irrelevancy in the Buu saga and nobody would know any better or complain because Goku was always the lead role and hero.
>I'll take on black, even if we end up killing each other, i will not let him kill the remaining humans
>E-e-even if you kill everything in our universe including the one I love, at least my dad will get you GET FUCKED.
The manga is such an enigma compared to the anime it's so laughable. No one reviews it, rarely anyone gives it praise, and it's made by some shit fan fiction-tier artist/author. No, it's not "more canon" because Toriyama approves of it. It isn't written by him, nor is it drawn by him. Same goes for the anime, but at least that's more enjoyable than the terribly handled story-telling in the manga. The manga will never become anything outside of V-Jump and the volumes issued. When someone says "Dragon Ball Super," first thing that'll come to their minds is the anime, not the promotional, garbage manga. Toyble's involvement with this series was a huge mistake. He's bringing in material from his AF doujins, and even based one of the new God of Destruction from a GT antagonist. How bad is that? Only Toyble could come up with something like it. Toriyama doesn't care about Toyble, he's simply glad that he doesn't have to draw Dragon Ball anymore himself.
Toriyama Shin was fine. He just got the same treatment as the other SSJ level fighters in the face of Buu.
Kais still body anyone their own weight class because of the insane bullshit they can pull.
Everything Zamasu does in the Super manga was set as a precedence BY Shin aside from the ki blade.
Toyo's Future Trunks Arc started off strong (good art, Trunks training with the Z-Sword, better Dabura fight)
But then I quickly realized it got progressively worse:
- Goku never fights his evil doppelganger
- Zamasu fights Kibito instead of Goku (making his hatred for Goku less personal)
- Zamasu could've just as easily been impressed with Hit than Goku (a mortal beating someone with godly ki)
- No SS Kid Trunks knocking some sense into Future Trunks
- No Human Resistance to give Trunks/Mai motivation
- No Future Yajirobe saving the day. No Future Yajirobe at all
- SSB Vegeta was losing to regular SS Black
- Next trip, SSG Vegeta toys with SSRose Black
- Goku/Vegeta fight Zamasu/Black, instead of Goku/Trunks
- Goku uses the Mafuba instead of Trunks/Mai
- No SSRage Trunks. While it came out of nowhere, at least it made him able to fight somewhat near the same tier as Goku/Vegeta
- Trunks sidelined in his own arc
- Trunks isn't a leader like he is in the anime. No scene of Vegeta seeing Trunks as a leader and being proud
- Black has a less interesting personality in the manga. He also rarely uses his rose sword
- No flashback of Black killing Chi-chi and Goten
- No Goku raging because of the above flashback
- Vegeta is supposed to lose 90% of his power after using SSB (according to Chapter 13), but he uses it with SSG one right after the other without losing any power.
- No "I AM VEGETA-SAMA!!"
That's why I enjoy both version and what they have to offer.
Both follow an outline from toriyama, debatting about canon is retarded as fuck and only used as an argument by insecure faggots.
I will wait the end of the arc to see which arc is the best but for now the main con in the manga is indeed trunks being sidelined.
I remember when we actually talked about Dragon Ball Super, not just flung shit at eachother over the manga and anime.
I guess thats been pretty much the entire history of Dragon Ball discussion though, whether it be Manga v Anime or Sub v Dub, people just won't fucking stop for some reason. Which is funny, because it's not like it even matters in the long run, it's a chinese cartoon.
Yeah you're right, I had taken so much solace in admiring someone who wanted to stop the shitposting and shift discussion into another direction that I didn't realize that his lack of anonymity would be another magnet for shitposting. Sure he's a bit of an attention whore but he was one I liked.
He didn't trade shit. He assumed he'd still be immortal post fusion but Goku's body fucked it up. That's why he went biobroly mode in the first place.
If it'd been 2 Zamasu's in his original body then they'd have just been SSJ Vegito tier but immortal and ever lasting fusion. Then Vegito would have been helpless since they'd just regen endlessly and wear out the timer.
Black was a crutch. Zamasu could have killed every Supreme Kai we've seen alone. 2 of them would have totaled everyone else anyway aside from the top tier fighters in each universe like Toppo but Zamasu was so colossally ass tumored by Goku that he lost faith in himself and felt he needed the body despite it being a falsehood.
He should have just got the immortality wish anyway and he'd be totally unbeatable. 2x immortal Zamasu would have cleaned house on their own.
I assure you no one gives a fuck, everyone reads the manga and watches the anime, they just fight because there's not much else to do
Most anons here don't have a life outside of DB and 4chan. That's why they're so passionate about defending the anime/manga or sub/dub even if it won't change anything about their lives.
Happy because she's about to get fucked senseless by Trunks.
all the fusions look either cool/boring/terrifying. None of them are cute
That is a badass purple Lion God of Destruction and Creation
But what if he fused with Vados?
Friendly reminder that this arc OBJECTIVELY PROVES that Champa is a better God of Destruction than Beerus.
>B-But muh mortal levels aren't just related to gods of destruction, maybe Champa just has a better kai!
Good point. Allow me to retort:
>Whis complains that Beerus is lazy and arbitrary
>Vados' only complaint is that Champa is fat
How will Beerus ever recover?
>Gomasu (マ ス ス, Gomasu ) is the result of an EX-Fusion between Son Goku: Child and Zamasu
The gowasu sounding name and goku black look+hair threw me off so much
Reminder that Mr. Satan is the same age as Goku and Krillin.
What if Raditz was a good guy and also Gohan had the downs.
>watching DBZ since the beginning again
>DBS looks childish and boring
Such a gold mine!
Who would win in a fight, SSJ3 Future Gohan or SSJ3 Adult Gohan?
Goddamn, that's fucking terrifying.
How come that scene looks recently animated. Also, it seems that animator doesn't know how to use layers.
Why are you surprised, he even has SSJ4 too.
It seems more normal for someone to enjoy the presence of discussing something with someone who spends the time to express their opinion without calling them retarded or some other derogatory insult. He also seems to pop out of nowhere and grant requests for random anons who ask for it. I don't think it's just that he's posting "nicely". I've noticed on multiple occasions that his presence seems bring about discussion amongst people around here, even with the few who try to derail it by calling for his removal.
>How come that scene looks recently animated.
It means that toei's animation is
Legendary SSJ4 Broly's hair may be weird, but Full Power SSJ4 Broly's hair is even MAXIMUMER!!!
I didn't know Satan could go Ultra.
There are people that still unironically believe that the Promotional "Comicalization" is canon?
Do you remember this from a previous thread?
Dragon Ball Heroes, a Japanese arcade card-battle game with a few 3DS ports that has over 3000 characters, transformations and variations, a ton of them being what-ifs of course.
Here's a trailer of the latest 3DS port, which has an original story and lets you customize missions and upload them online a la Mario Maker: