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So... Did it do child pilot introspection better than NGE?

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So... Did it do child pilot introspection better than NGE?
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If you've seen both then you can answer your own question with your own opinion on he matter, you know.
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Gundam wing did child introspection better than nge
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>>154871479
It's a completely different thing, and characterizing either of them as "child pilot introspection" is pretty silly, but yes, I like it more.
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>>154871603
The point is a discussion you mongoloid.
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Yes, but it ran into the same problem of focussing on literally the worst character for whatever reason.
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>>154871686
Not him, but if you want a discussion then it would help if you gave your two cents, you know.
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Anyways, I felt like there wasn't much of a conclusion to this. I totally thought they would end that entire cycle. But it just fucking ends
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>>154871720
It's often the case where putting your opinion in the OP just leads to anger from people who don't agree while something more neutral feels like a blank post. But you're right I could have written something thorough to get the ball rolling.
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>>154871479
Forced drama the manga.
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>>154871813
Was the manga any different from the anime?
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>>154871738
>I totally thought they would end that entire cycle
That'd be dumb.
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>>154871857
Maybe, I was just expecting something at a little higher scale. But there is appeal in it just focusing on them
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>>154871813
i think it was handled better compared to Pokemon: Edgy Version
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>>154871479
The arc with the perverted teacher was really fucked up.
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>>154871813
>Forced drama

Here we go again...
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>>154871767
It only leads to anger if you intentionally act obnoxious in order to stifle discussion. E.g. "prove me wrong protip you can't". If you put 'bokurano thread' in the title, explain what you thought of it and why, then you ask for other people's opinions, people will be willing to take the time to reply.
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>>154872113
I had not heard that term in a while
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>>154871479
No.
But it did the edgy subversion of the genre with shock value and creepy animal mascot better than Madoka.
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>>154871479
Mohiro Kitoh draw some good lolis man
like that Miles-kun, too bad it was discontinued toomuchlolilewdness
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Did they ever explain why they kept picking kids to fight?
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>>154872836
Why do magical girl shows always have little girls fight?
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>>154873145
False equivalence, mecha had adult pilots since Getter Robo.
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>>154872836
It's suggested that since Zearth runs on the pilot's lifeforce that younger pilots create a stronger robot.
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Did the manga explain who the overseers where? There were beings besides those weird creatures iirc but the anime just barely mentioned them.
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People made this seem way more depressing than it was.
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>>154873430
I dropped the anime after episode 17 and went to read the manga. It's very different. I'm not even sure which overseers you're referring to.
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>>154871479
No. NGE had better characters. Bokurano was more melodrama. It had it's moments but most of the characters were one dimensional.
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>>154874032
How was shinji more than one dimensional? He had nothing beyond having low self-esteem
Jun was more varied than Shinji imo
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>>154871813
>Forced
Forced how ? and not forced in other anime ?
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>>154872836
>why they kept picking kids to fight?
More gullible and more likely to touch the metal plate.
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>>154874220
The forced drama thing is an old way to make fun of melodramatic anime where the drama feels unnatural. People used to make fun of CLANNAD, Angel Beats, etc. that way
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>>154874170
>>154874220
This just feels like bait so don't expect an actual argument, also the manga was so forgettable I don't remember MC's name. Was it Jun? If it was, that fuck was one of the least interesting characters. The "twist" with his mother was forced drama, one of many plot elements that felt forced or unnatural.

These were extraordinary circumstances facing the characters, but much of the melodrama stemmed from their own life, and at times that's what felt so forced. The author was forcing you to care about these characters.
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>>154871854
The manga wasn't even finished when they made the anime.
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>>154871854
Yes, manga ending was way better and Dung Beetle was a dick but not evil.
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>>154873430
I don't think they where ever mentioned in the manga.

just some talk that this probably might not the first time their earth had to fight in the game, and that nature of alternate universes means there more than likely will never be an end to the fighting.
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>>154874358
The twist with his mother wasn't even intended to be particularly dramatic.
Each character had some sort of tragic past or current serious problem, but how is that any different than say Asuka's mom committing suicide? They just didn't have much time to flesh all of it out. But it wasn't forced
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>>154874358
>MC's name
There is not a MC in Bokurano, each kid has their own moment but no one was the main character, he just was the last pilot.
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>>154874487
Jun was fleshed out way more than all the other characters along with being the last pilot
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>>154874170
Shinji didn't just have low self-esteem, he didn't want to engage with people, he don't believe people have good intentions and with good reason just look at his family.
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>>154874420
No idea Hox translated this. Does he still come around?
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>>154874597
Of course, because we had more time to know him but I wouldn't call him the MC.
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>>154874642
in the vinland threads
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>>154874642
Yes, he occasionally posts Vinland Saga, Historie and Soil
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>>154874464
It's different in how the characters reacted to the situations, and how the situations were portrayed. You saying it wasn't forced doesn't change my opinion, and the fact that you can't see the copious amounts of forced drama means I'm not going to change yours.

The drama in Bokurano felt tacked onto the already existing story, it never made me care about the characters enough to root for them. The only one that I found touching was the kid that lived his last day normally, the one that was supporting his siblings. Everything else seemed like the author was trying to make it as dramatic as possible.
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>>154873430
>overseers
They don't exist in the manga.
That was a key point, there is no one pulling the strings; God and fate doesn't exist, the universe is a chaotic, we're alone and everything we do is meaningless.
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>>154874773
>everything we do is meaningless.
Except that's not the point.
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Victory Gundam is the peak of child pilot introspection
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Hox is a god.

That is all.
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>>154874910
You are actually correct.
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I really like how this anime didn't cliche drawn out fights. They were often as short as you would expect a giant robot fight to be
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>>154875215
Technically some fights took days
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It had a better OP than Evangelion.
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>>154871479
NGE - anime only is expected
Bokurano - anime only anons are complete fucking retards
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Characters in Bokurano were more relatable
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>>154871479
it wasn't necessarily better in terms of plot but it clearly was about pilot introspection in a more direct way than NGE.

that's because each episode is focused on people and a few topics aka like the last two episodes of evangelion (the ones that do intropsection the best)
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>>154875750
There were several characters in Bokurano I felt like I had never seen in anime/manga
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>>154871479
No, you watched edgelord garbage. This shit is not even close to NGE.
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>>154875889
NGE is for kids. Bokurano is about kids.
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>>154875925
yes, kids that lived through the shittiest situation because having to pilot a mech that kills them or their universe wasnt enough bullshit to try and elicit emotion from the reader.

No, we have to have a girl that fucked her teacher and was pregnant, a kid that was abused, a kid that was dirt poor and supported his family, etc.

Yes Forced Drama is the perfect way to summarize this garbage.
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>>154875925
What are you trying to prove? Bokurano is one of those really bad, tryhard edgy anime (Like elfen lied, another, Narutaru etc), while NGE will always be considered one of the best anime has to offer.
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>>154876061
>No, we have to have a girl that fucked her teacher and was pregnant, a kid that was abused, a kid that was dirt poor and supported his family, etc.
Those are normal things that people deal with you fucking retard. If you ever went outside you would know this.

>>154876068
NGE has the subtlety of a fucking Dr Seuss book.
>durr have you heard of the hedgehog's dilemma
How many times did they have to bring it up before realizing we got it? Lame monster of the week show serving as existentialism for children.
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>>154876128
>>154876061
>>154875925
>>154876068
>>154875889
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>there are anons out there who watched Bokurano instead of reading the manga

Jesus Christ, if you didn't read the manga you didn't experience Bokurano at all.
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>>154876128
Yet you are so wrong. Bokurano is all about empty shock factor. Hell, anyone can write a bunch of miserable kids and victimize the hell out of them. It is just a lazy way to make you care for the bland kids, who only suffer and then die. It's emotional manipulation at it's finest, and you fell for it. As for NGE, it was too subtle for you. It had much more than just hedgehog dilemma and oh wait, i just now realized that you are baiting me into an argument, and im just wasting my time by replying to your baits.
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>>154876639
Is it written by the same hack who did narutaru? Because if it is, then it is guaranteed to be shit.
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>>154876716

I thought this too, but Bokurano is way better than Narutaru.
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>>154876639
Agreed, also no matter how melodramatic Bokurano is, it's leagues above the pretentious twaddle that is Evangelion.
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>>154871479
indeed the absolute madman even went too far as child sexual abuse in his child pilot deconstruction.
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>>154876849
How do you live with that shit taste of yours?
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>>154876881
>child sexual abuse
SO DEEP AND MATURE!!!!
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>>154871479
https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animeatt&aid=4861&attid=7456
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>>154876716
why's everyone deriding Kitoh so hard? Yes his sticht isn't for everyone, but his works (despite their rampant nihilism) really have moments of intense beauty and style that put them above other works of the genre and medium.
The flying over the island in Narutaru, the last few pages where I remember the temple sinks into the sea, and the string of moments in Bokurano that ignore any plot convenience and just focus in on the lonely lives of the characters, are all proof of Kitoh's strength with telling tragedies. He's often contrived and overly brutal (though I'd argue against the claim he's emotionally manipulative), but that's the case with most people who's job is to exploit such scenarios.
I'd suggest reading Hallucinations from the Womb if you haven't, since although its maybe the most disturbing thing he's done, it showcases that extreme blurring of the lines between horror and beauty which Kitoh does best imo. And while its definitely a lesser work, what I've read of his bicycle manga (forget its name at the moment) is really tender and cute, and kinda helps dispel the notion his manga is there purely for the living of some edge-fueled fantasy.
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>>154877069
oh yes, and apologies for mangareader in the pic related (only file i could find at moment)
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>>154877069
Yeah, no. He is a hack. He does the same shit Urobutchi does, but without any of the charm. Just pure emotional manipulation and sufferin/torture porn. Literally anyone can write the shit he writes, and emotionalfags would eat it up and ask for seconds. Using cheap tricks to make the characters more interesting is still using cheap tricks.
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>>154876685
>>154876716
>>154876849
>>154876927
>>154877220
Why these people have to turn every discussion in a dick competition?
Both Bokurano (manga) and Evangelion are good works of fiction. Bokurano explore singular cases and revolves around the trascendence of lives while NGE revolves around relationships and our place in the world and human society.
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>>154871479
I finished this a few weeks ago. A great ride. Idol girl and piano girl were best girls. I loved the ending and the last character. The serious blond kid was cool too, scratch that, most character were cool.
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>>154872836
Life force is proportional to how much years you have left to live. Life force fuels the robot.
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>>154874487
The main character in these kind of works can be defined as the one who goes through more character development, either through growth or revelation. Some consider Snape to be the hidden main character in harry potter.
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>>154877335
>Why these people have to turn every discussion in a dick competition?
Because the OP dared to mention mediocre shit like bokurano in the same sentance as a masterpiece like NGE, Had it just been a bokurano thread, then it would have been fine, but the OP's bait angered people with good taste.
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>>154877503
Then I would say that Dung Beetle is the hidden MC of Bokurano.

>>154877541
You could have said "no" and why instead of using buzzwords an acting like a child.
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>>154877069
I mainly love kitoh for his monsters designs, He did some for some video games and designed one of the angels of Evangelion. Ramiel?

He is the only one who does true nihilism but still manages to show appreciation for life.
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>>154877541
Can never tell what's bait and what's not with NGEfags
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>>154877579
>hen I would say that Dung Beetle is the hidden MC of Bokurano.
I would agree somehow, he brings full closure to everything and was there from the beginning.
There was a trope for this
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RotatingProtagonist
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>>154877541
You are supposed to ignore shit like that. Its something of an unspoken rule to grab attention to threads by claiming something outrageous like
>X is best girl, how can Y-fags even compete.
You just got triggered man.
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>>154877579
>You could have said "no" and why instead of using buzzwords an acting like a child.
>implying the bokurano side of the argument acted really mature.
Also, if one has to use buzzwords to describe a show, then that show is really bad.
this guy >>154876959 gets it.
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>>154877742
No, i got baited.
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>>154877775
You can use buzzword to describe every show, there are buzzwords for everything.
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>>154877837
>https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animeatt&aid=4861&attid=7456
>Defending buzzwords instead of well constructed English sentences to express an idea.
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>>154878446
>Defending buzzwords
He is saying that if you use buzzword to describe a show then the show is bad, I'm saying thay every show can be described with buzzwords and so buzzwords mean nothing when judging a anime.
You are the one who can't understand english.
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>>154876959
>>154877775
>>154878446
>You think it’s going to be childish but then turns into Happy Tree Friends … without the humorous irony.
>But I know why so many people out there were fooled by this travesty. It’s because they were all accustomed to shitty cartoons and anime, with hyperactive youths, superpowers, and the power of friendship that magically makes friends mortal enemies and resurrects the dead.
>It is the most overblown, impossible to believe, ludicrous thing that can ever happen and you LIKED IT??? Since when do real people do all this shit?
>you are sadists! Just like the mangaka you are emotional vampires, feeding on other peoples’ misery just to find comfort in your own little miserable lives
Yeah, those are well expressed ideas and arguments, totally not a autistic rant.
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