Why aren't there more Chinese characters in anime?

>>154808078
She's Taiwanese.

>>154808182
That's like a Guatemalan person saying they aren't Mexican, it's the same shit senpai

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>>154808182

They rightfully acknowledge that chinese are below them

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>>154808078
Only ones I can think of are from over a decade ago.

>>154808100
Nice photos of a common war like any country including yours has its own, Pal.

>>154808159
Well I agree with that.

http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/remnant/nankingm.htm

>>154808078
Because they poop in the street?

>>154808078
Wasn't Mao from FMP chinese?

Remember Bloodivores? I regret that I do.

Everyone was Chinese. Everyone had names that sounded like pots and pans fell down 2-3 steps. The plot was horrendous, and the character development wasn't there at all.

The only Chinese characters I can recall in recent anime, other than this abomination, are the prisoners in Building 5 in Nanbaka. They are literally;
>A guy who is Son Goku
>A guy who is a meaner Son Goku
>A gay guy who is a fish
>A black man with a severe underbite problem
>A Qi Gong using child
>A bland martial artist
>A doctor
>A gang leader

They all share one trait; they're Chinese as fuck. Like, they're not just dudes that are from China, but they're tropes with pointless makeup and fingernail polish that are based on Chinese tropes.

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Herro, you rike fry doggie?

There was just that taiwanese puppet show that aired. They're chinese.

Is just me or anime used to have more Chinese characters in the past?

Why aren't there more Korean characters? I've seen Chinese characters in some anime but I've never seen any Koreans.

>>154808257

Indians are Chinese because they're Asian

>>154808552
It's not just you. In the past, anime had characters of all sorts of nationalities and ethnicity. They were, in most cases, proper representations of characters from those countries rather than just stereotypes. You'd see a Mexican character who was just a normal guy with different skin color and hair, and he'd have some cultural points (like using a phrase or two in Spanish), and that's it. You'd see African characters who were entirely normal people, just with black skin and much taller bodies (as it's natural for Japanese to be manlets). Then, it just stopped. Now we have school boys with secret dark powers and school girls who aren't followed by tentacles 24/7. Shit's maddening.

>>154808584
Taiwanese and Chinese are literally the same race, cool strawman though

>>154808576
Because Koreans are lower than all Asian races

Is this why electric chinese batman won't get anotber season?

>>154808445
Chinese-American
I'm not sure if that distinction matters or not to them.

>>154808637
Same race is not same country. That's like saying US is part of Canada. It is.

>>154808615
I´m saying this because for example, Bandai made figures for Ruki and Takato for the Digimon Tamers anniversary but not for Jenrya, the chinese kid, despite him and his digimon being popular as fuck specially among fujos.

>>154808637

>muh strawman

not an argument

>>154808615
Anime is an incesteous artform that constantly copies itself until it's almost nothing but the same tropes and character archetypes. Otaku audience doesn't change and buys the same typical stuff again and again so the modern anime industry doesn't have any reason to make different things.

>>154808708
>>>/pol/

>>154808297
They're from Hong Kong

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Ni Hao

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>>154808615
>rather than just stereotypes

>>154808771
Which is an autonomous section of, wait for it, China.

>>154808078
Because Chinese names are awful. Korean too.
I refuse to read Korean and Chinese stuff purely because every single name and every untranslated word is ugly looking ear-cancer.

I don't know why Japanese seems so much nicer to look at and listen to but it is.

>>154808182
Is /a/ really this stupid? Are you saying that people from the Republic of China aren't Chinese?

>>154808796
>in most cases
Also, don't bring up Tequila Gundam. There isn't a single person who hates Tequila Gundam.

>>154808512
Seeing this shit makes me think the nips don't realize they have the same fucking eyes as the chinks.

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Here's an entire franchise

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proper american

>>154808818
man dont say that around actual taiwanese people
they get triggered
source: im taiwanese

>>154809079
We know and all secretly laugh when a Taiwanese person tries to convince someone they aren't a chinky.

>>154809079
Taiwanese food is delicious, I have to said it anon.

>>154809079
ONE CHINA CHIANG PLS

>>154809079
How do you guys feel about those fuckers acting like they own you? That'd piss me off pretty bad

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>>154809204
well i live in america, so that shit is literally on the other side of the globe
i still just tell people im chinese because no one actually cares for specifics

>>154809269
>soareyouchineseorjapanese.webm

>>154808883
Really wanted to like geemu, but it's just god awful.

CHINA WIRR GROW RARGER

>>154809204
They don't really. It isn't like Tibet or Hong Kong.
Taiwan still has its own election without CCP influence.
China just claims that Taiwan is part of China, and considering that Taiwan's official name is the Republic of China, they aren't wrong.

>>154808078
It's too many already. Why are chinks even portrayed positively in anime?

There are a few chinese animations I enjoy because they use very crude piss and fart jokes that strike a very different tone than japanese comedies. I also don't mind the way spoken chinese sounds.

>>154809654
To Be Hero was fun. What else is there?

>>154809432
I BILD FOUR CHINA

>>154808818
>>154809079
Taiwan's international English name is "Republic of China" while mainland china's international English name is "People's Republic of China". It's a different China, but Chinese are Chinese.

>>154809472
Taiwan's name is RoC not because they claim to be part of China but because they claim China is part of them. Kind of the opposite. IIRC a long while ago when China was having a bit of a communist peasant uprising the nobility fled to Taiwan where they had support.

>>154809919
I meant China as in the land, regardless of politics.

>>154809978
So, according to your brilliant logic, Russia, Korea, and various countries there are all also Chinese?

>>154809996
Khazakstani people look pretty Chinese

>>154808078
remember nanking

>>154810031
Khazaks will be mad. They have nothing in common.
All chiness aren't from the same group to begin, even if there is a big majority.

>>154808078
All east asian countries hate each other with a burning passion.

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>retard MC could have fucked glorious china tits instead he went for discount retard cammy

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>>154808078
seriously?

>>154809775
The animation is shitty and the stories are pants on head retarded but, Wangpai Yushi and 100,000 Bad Jokes are kinda fun. Bigfish Begonia is a decent movie too.

>>154809079
I thought Taiwan wanted to take over mainland China again eventually.

Friendly reminder that only han chinese are real chinese.

Does Japan hate China more than China hates Japan?

>>154808637
Taiwanese are a lot more attractive than the Chinese on average, though.

>>154808419
pajeet go home

>>154810927
Dailies reminder that north china is mongol rape babies and south china is rightful yue tribals clay
Han is hoax

>>154808078
Because Japs hate Chinks.

>>154810902
Taiwan isn't that delusional. China is huge Taiwan is pretty small

>>154811301
There are some old geezers who still believe in the delusion.

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Watch this if you want Chinese characters

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>>154808078
At least there once a Chinese being the MC

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>>154808078
That chuuni man is one lucky bastard.

Chinese came to your place and took over your house.
then, they're trying to convince you're Chinese.
That's what Taiwanese are dealing with.
Just so you know.
Who knows, maybe Chinese will do the same to your country someday.
Oh wait, they are.

>>154808078
Because she was an annoying squeaker

>>154811154
/thread

>>154813483
Not everyone lives in Australia and Canada.

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>>154808615
Are you kidding me? There is little to no diversity in classic anime. Even now Japanese believe that every american or british person is a blonde with blue eyes. Anime has never been about diversity and they don't give a fuck about avoiding stereotypes.

>>154813470
Muh

>>154813653
Shame she didn't get more doujins

>>154808755
Well obviously the superior artform takes inspiration from itself

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>>154813987
I always find it funny when Americans use "diversity" as a mean to say black people, you guys aren't being honest with yourselves.

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>>154808419
You're thinking of Jane, she's Indian.

>>154813987
It's not their fault if US casts blonds with blue eyes everywhere in their movies just because they are blonds with blue eyes. You gave them a stereotype about your people, don't be surprised that they believe it, especially after decades of the same shit.

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There are no Koreans in anime because the last time they tried, they were accused of yet another 'war crime'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo_btds9-kM

>>154814252
Well we certainly all know where the stereotype of the blond narcissistic & slutty airhead comes from, and it's NOT from Japan.

>>154808078
lin min may wasnt chinese?

>>154813483
Being a different political party doesn't mean you have entirely different historical and cultural identities. You're fucking Chinese, and no I'm not trying to imply PRC owns you, it's just fact that you share a common background in every definition of ethnicity. Unless you're somehow not Han.

>>154814629
Half, IIRC

>>154808862
because they don't, you can easily differentiate between different asian races just by looking at their eyes

>>154814819
Taiwan wasn't an uninhabited island before the ROC showed up.

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>>154814252
Have you seen a Hollywood movie or tv series from 90's and onwards? It's all diversity with characters from all walks of life. So it's not about Hollywood. Here, i got this pic related from 2chan.

>that one scene where Roberta scares the everliving shit out of Shenhua
I got a whyboner there

>>154814952
This is all recent.
Go back to the 80s and boom, none of that.
Stereotypes don't change like that.

>>154814819
nice try chinaman

>>154814300
>what is Kim Kaphwan in the Fatal Fury animes
>what is Juri in the Street Fighter animes
Dick.

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>>154808078
I think she looks even hotter without makeup.

Will chinese animation become a force to be reckoned with in the following decade?

>>154809919
That's the most cucked bastardization of history I've ever heard. It's more like when the communists were purging political dissidents the party for free democracy fled to Taiwan.

>>154810984
>>>/pol/

>>154816249
My chink wife shenhua is so pretty

>>154814300
There's no Koreans in anime when it doesn't matter. When it does, such as in the case of Hikaru no Go, there are definitely Koreans. Although their presence might be small and introduced just as side characters, they are definitely out there. Besides, Korea isn't a big enough country to be included in if an anime deals with international stuff. China, and the other western countries are. Korea comes up just as often as the Portuguese or Polish would.

t. gook

>>154813470
qt, pale, goth feet, hnnnngh

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Let me give you this absolute madman

>>154808078
Because realistically the only reason you'd ever have a foreigner in a piece of media is either
1. Exotic cultures 'n shiet or
2. The fact that they are of X country is pertinent to the story, so it's a story about James Bond teaming up with a Russian to take down the Kremlin / using KGB expertise or something
3. Stereotypes
The first is irrelevant in anime because Chinese culture (in the form of cuisine, clothing, language, art, poetry, etc.) is for the most part not exotic to the Japanese, even in its ancient form.
The second doesn't really work unless they specifically have a story about toppling China, which I don't think anyone really wants to touch.
That leaves the third, and it explains why every Chinese girl in anime nearly without exception has hair buns and wears a China dress on a daily basis, and just about every Chinese character can TETSUZANKOU a fucking planetoid.

I mean the only time you generally have foreigners in anime, period, is one of the above scenarios. That, or it's a story about postapoc (in which China generally is a sidenote) or international stuff (in which China is rarely anything but the demons because come on it's Japan it's like America writing about Nazis).

>>154809919
>>154809472
>>154809204
Both the PRC and the RoC agree that there's only one China, the problem is that both sides insist they're the only China. Now obviously, one of them has the distinct advantage of a UN permanent seat, widespread international recognition, and far more economic / political / military might, so it's no wonder you rarely hear anything about Taiwan going for reunification.

>>154816943
China isn't 'big' enough because there's rarely a need for someone to be Chinese. Someone being British is an excuse for him to be a dandy old man. Someone being German is an excuse for him to be Frederich III. Someone being Chinese...really gives nothing because a nip works just as well 99% of the time, be it cooking, martial arts, or nerd-ness.

>>154816249
Excellent taste

>>154809881
>>154808637
>>154809079

Well its true that Taiwanese are still chinese, but no Taiwanese wants to be associated with the mainlanders, who are commonly referred to as chinese.

T. Taiwanese

>>154808078
Same reason there aren't more Koreans.

Japan hates them.

>>154817488
This is stupidly hypersensitive
You are literally the same fucking people seperated not even 4 generations ago, hell not even 3 for some people
Some of the old timers in Taiwan still have family on the mainland
You have kids from the mainland going to Uni in taiwan and vice versa
You have bajillions of tourists back and forth
You speak the same goddamn language as the people across the strait, it's not even a different dialect in the closer provinces it's straight up the same fucking language
It's as if Long Islanders insisted they were not New Englanders. Even they would have a fucking point because they're not literally the same group of people at least.

>>154817584
Arr rook same

>>154819255
That's the problem though
It's not even that they look the same
They literally are the same

>>154817584
I'm sure South Koreans would insist to not be called North Koreans, just like all the Canadian tourists I met insisted they weren't American.

>>154814913
95% of your population comes from the mainland anyway.

>>154817584
It's a national pride thing. It might sound stupid or silly but that's how it is. A lot of people got fucked over by the chinese when the kmt Chinese get btfo and retreated to taiwan.

They took peoples lands and properties by force and were shown to have a very different culture and values. Keep in mind at this point taiwan had been ruled by imperial japan for fifty years so many people had Japanese etiquette. Many Chinese had also at this point lived on the island for generations and developed a sense of belonging here. These coming Chinese werent their friends.

The saltiness persisted, and now its mostly commies vs nationalists, and mainlander vs non. Hong kong has similar sentiment, as far as I know.

>>154817584

New York isn't a part of New England, cuck.

>>154816943
nah it's only because Korean are a bunch of insecure dicks acting like they're hot shit now to cover up the fact they sucked American dicks for decades like an obident dog,
it's their thing, before ww2 they were sucking JAPAN dicks, and wayyyyy before that was the Chink's dick
I mean just look at their culture, it went from pretty chinky thingy to hip and cool shit (they thought) from America, it's now so trashy and cheap.

>>154816314
not really, until they can adapt some of their famous web novels first
now it's poor ass children shit fund by the party, or try hard weeb cartoon that stole cliches from Japanese

>>154820203
Calm down Jap-kun

>>154820258
They won't do that. Web novels appeal to more than just the weeb crowd so they won't adapt them into anime, it makes much more sense to adapt the popular ones into live action for a much larger audience.

>>154809919
It's no different than East/West Germany, or North/South Korea for that matter. Each views themselves as the legitimate government of China.

>>154820298
they shouldn't make anime, they should make their OWN cartoon
they have loads of talents but it's all wasted
I would like to see some cool kungfy fighting scenes, or their counter part of western fantasy, I don;t even know how you call it in english, the setting where people learned not-martial art to become divine being

>>154808499
>Bloodivores

I'm so glad I dropped that trash.

>>154816612
The Nationalists were hardly good though. They did shit like conscripting civilians to fight and other shady shit. When they were exiled to Taiwan, the Taiwanese had more in common in terms of culture with the Japanese, who had been there for several decades. To the natives, the nationalists seemed pretty barbaric in the way they acted, especially when they were seizing property and whatnot.

My grandfather, who was going to university in the capital at the time, left to go live with some relatives out in the country when they were conscripting civilians to fight the war they had already lost.

Just remember, the only reason the commies were allowed to rise up in the first place was because of how shitty the republic was. I will admit that the nationalists probably helped Taiwan maintain its sovereignty and that they were better than the commies (like that's hard), but they definitely were not all good, and the One China bullshit was definitely not something anybody there really cared about before they came over.

Everyone in Koihime Musou is Chinese

>>154820491
or any Nip version of 3 kingdoms

>>154820421
The problem, once again, is that cartoons appeal to a much narrower audience than what they could be doing. You would be throwing away money. The other problem is that for the most part chink animation's style is much more suited to comedy than action.

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Arr rook same

>>154814819
You do realize that Taiwan was basically a Japanese colony long before the war, right?

>>154819747
Yes but both South Koreans and North Koreans call themselves Koreans. I can understand getting butthurt at being called Communists or something but they literally are Chinese, until the day Taiwan decides to declare independance. That's also the day Beijing is going to flip the table and invade from Guangdong though so...

>>154814952

>the white girl is the only one wearing a super short skirt

Jesus Christ have some fucking shame.

>>154820463
You can only really argue they were better than the commies up to the 80s. After Deng the leadership has been legit as fuck, whether you use the IR, economic, social welfare, or even environmental point of view (if we allow for the fact that China is a rapidly industrializing nation, their expected total emissions per-capita over the course of the industrializing period is astoundingly low, it just peaked really fucking fast). I don't like using the human rights method of discourse mainly because human rights is an extremely convinient term.
t. IEP / polsci amerifat

>>154820662
Depending on your definition they've been declaring independence for 60 years. Also invasion is hilariously stupid considering current situations in the south china sea and how much interdependence there is in both economies.

>>154820843
Deng was the savior we needed. He was a based Sichuanese motherfucker too, I'm so proud.

>>154819747

Canada and America were never part of the same country.

>>154808817
Pretty much every sound in Japanese except ら、れ、り、 etc are also in English. Also, the rules for pronunciation are incredibly simple.

>>154820894
>Depending on your definition they've been declaring independence for 60 years
No, they haven't. That's the entire point. They're currently under different regimes but the official stance on both sides of the strait is that there is only one China, and the regime is simply divided. If Taiwan attempted to simply become Taiwan instead of the RoC and remain sovereign then Beijing is going to flip shit, they cannot stand for it on an ideological level and more importantly you will have half the country rising in mass revolt if Beijing does nothing to stop Taiwan from fucking off. Contrary to popular belief, if you've studied China it's clear that the government is rather beholden to public opinion on a lot of matters because in the end nobody knows better than the Communists the terror of losing the support of the common man. Their approval rating was 75% or so circa 2013.

>Also invasion is hilariously stupid considering current situations in the south china sea
The real reason Taiwan is important for the US isn't just a really close ''''ally'''' to China, but because Japan depends on the Taiwan strait for energy imports in the same way most of Asia depends on the Malacca / Homurz straits, and Taiwan would mean China gains its first really suitable base for blue ocean submarines.

>interdependence
It doesn't matter to Beijing, this goes past a mere economic problem. If they give up on Taiwan everyone is going to go apeshit. They are no longer in complete control of the problem. Furthermore their entire paradigm when it comes to Taiwan is that the war has to end before the US can act to help, in the same way the (first part of) the Iraq War ended so fucking fast that the Russians and Chinese had no time to intervene overtly or surreptitiously. This means within 3-5 days, and ideally within 24 hours. If this happens the actual damage to civilian and economic infrastructure should be pretty minimal and the economy might even benefit from reconstruction.

>>154821498
>the rules for pronunciation are incredibly simple
Japanese names are notoriously hard to read even for native speakers because of anachronistic kanji, special snowflake pronunciations, and so on.

>/a/ - political geography

>retard Ameriobesity expresses that he understands your country better than you do
Why do Americans do this? You fat fucks can't even find Taiwan on a map.

>>154821767
Taiwan isn't very hard to find on a map. Can you find Shenzhen on a map? It's close to overtaking Hong Kong.
I'm not saying I understand Taiwan. I honestly couldn't care much less about Taiwan's popular stance on the matter because in the end Taiwan has little to no say in the affair. China and the US are the ones who call the shots and to a lesser extent Japan, who has certain influence on the US when it comes to the Asia theatre. Taiwan's official stance is that there is only one China. This is the reality of the matter. The stance of Taiwan's people is only relevant insofar as to which side they're going to lean towards (which is pretty important in and of itself mind you) but Beijing flipping the table has nothing to do with Taiwan.

>>154821904
>let me tell you about your country
Just die of heart disease already.

>>154821982
Are you mainland Chinese or something? Because I'm not talking about Taiwan's stance or Taiwan's internal situation. I don't fucking CARE about Taiwan. Taiwan is not relevant to the geopolitical reality of the area by itself, it's only relevant in how it may serve US or Chinese interests in the theatre. If Taiwan declares independence then Beijing has no choice but to at least try to win it back, this can be seen in plenty of think tank reports in Mandarin as well as in English.

>>154821982
Don't you have some rice to burn Zhang

Why are there so many knockoff chinks here

I'm getting real sick of Chinese webnovel adaptations popping up each season.

There is no redeeming value in any of them, holy shit. They all have the most generic sounding plot.

>>154822085
Are you the amerilard OP that claimed Taiwanese people want to and should just be called Chinese? If you're not then I don't know why you're responding because I don't read more than 2 sentences of your posts.

>>154822187
>t. Triggered chink who thinks he's somehow not a chink because he lives on a chink island owned and governed by the chinks

>>154822187
>Are you the amerilard OP that claimed Taiwanese people want to and should just be called Chinese?
What? Is OP even claiming that?

>should just be called Chinese
What the fuck are you then? Your grandfather was probably literally fucking from the Mainland. You might even have cousins stranded there. Get the fuck over yourself, when people call you Chinese they are not literally saying you're a communist.

>I don't know why you're responding because I don't read more than 2 sentences of your posts.
>LITERALLY "didn't read lol"
And you bash me for being American?

>>154822180
Where are they even from anyway? Surely it's chinks doing it? Why is CR picking up literal Chinese cartooons?

>generic plot
Now to be fair 99% of the shit on syosetu is just that, shit. Problem is the chinks seem to be not adapting the 1%, or the 1% doesn't exist.

>>154822187
>new IP
hmmm

>>154822297
No one in Taiwan wants to be associated with mainland pigdogs. You'd know this if you weren't a monolingual burgerstani.

>>154822297
the cartoon must be fund by chinese or some shit
they do have some interesting novels, but the really fucking famous one are always SAO tier

>>154820821
So does the black girl on the far left.

>>154822371
>No one in Taiwan wants to be associated with mainland pigdogs
Ah yes, this explains why the president before the current one got two terms despite his rather conciliatory treatment of China and why many old timers in Taiwan and China looked forward to further opening-up because it would allow them to visit their old homes.
Also, I just showed you that "Chinese" doesn't literally mean you're a commie. Insisting on being called Taiwanese is like insisting on being called a Brooklyner instead of an American and going ballistic when someone points out you're a retard. In fact, even the Brooklyner has more reason, because it's like how a UK guy can be both English and a Londoner at the same time. But no, a Taiwanese is only a Taiwanese, he certainly isn't Chinese despite his familly who is Chinese and his goverment who is Chinese and his cultural heritage which is Chinese and his language which is Chinese. It's fucking furry or transshit tier.

>monolingual
On the contrary, 我他妈的中文好的不得了，不要跟我扯蛋。中文不好我怎么可能看中文报告，杂志，文章等等材料？

>>154822503
>but the really fucking famous one are always SAO tier
isn't it the same for Japan?

>>154822593
Those two are probably visiting burgers

>>154821631
I was born in chinkland friend. No matter what the official stance is everyone acknowledges that Taiwan has been independent for 60 years. No one will flip shit if they declare it except maybe some politicians, public opinion will remain largely unchanged.

The government is not beholden to public opinion at all and the amount of support they have from normal people, at least in cities, is much lower than the official statistic of 75%. Also, it's more like the government tries to shape public opinion rather than the other way around.

>The real reason Taiwan is important for the US isn't just a really close ''''ally'''' to China, but because Japan depends on the Taiwan strait for energy imports in the same way most of Asia depends on the Malacca / Homurz straits, and Taiwan would mean China gains its first really suitable base for blue ocean submarines.
Yes, so you haven't refuted anything in the passage you quoted.

>Before the US can act to help
It would have to end within literal hours then, do you even understand how much presence the US military has in the south china sea?

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Bulgarian anon here, I just want to let you know that I support the independence of Taiwan. Fuck those chinese fucks.

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Such a shame.

>>154822661
It's not about independence you stupid europoor fuck. Taiwan has been self governing for half a century, it's about them being entitled special snowflake fucks.

>>154822596
You don't read Chinese news outside of Google translate and listening to Donald Drumpf. Like every other fat American.
Only small number of people (besides old) care about being "Chinese." Most only want to have distinction between disgusting mainland animals and us.

>>154822625
>No matter what the official stance is everyone acknowledges that Taiwan has been independent for 60 years.
This is untrue, I'm studying there right now and people are still attached to it. Don't use the personal opinion of the actual elites - those guys understand more than the masses and subsequently care less about ideology.

>the amount of support they have from normal people, at least in cities, is much lower than the official statistic of 75%.
Yes and Trump is hated by the cities yet got elected. The villages love the government, and you can't blame them - Shenzhen is almost bigger than Hong Kong today. 30 years ago it was a fishing village.

>the government tries to shape public opinion
Every governement does this. Chinese government doesn't actively follow public opinion but they rarely act against it, at most they'll act with it while trying to soothe tensions.

>No one will flip shit
Did you even see the protests over inane minor bullshit like the Diaoyu islands? Diaoyu islands are nothing compared to Taiwan which is considered homeland.

>It would have to end within literal hours then
Have you READ the white papers? The Taiwan Government itself recognizes that buying further American defenses is largely pointless. Missile defenses are calculated to be drowned out by sheer weight of volume. Chinks have those weird waterskiing tanks and, by the Pentagon's own admission, better ASBMs than the US. Now I don't think that China can beat the US in a war, they'd be insane to try - but at the same time, the United States will not go to defend Taiwan unless Taiwan manages to truly drag the war on and it looks like there's a real chance of winning in support. The US is not ready for war with China on an economic basis and will hardly risk WW III over a war that is 'decided' - unless Taiwan puts up a really good fight and lasts for weeks.
Taiwan's options are how good of a deal it can cut or how long it can delay, that's just the cold facts.

>>154822808
1. Why the fuck is every post you make a new goddamn IP?
2. I'm not saying the Taiwanese want to be called Chinese. A trannie doesn't want to be called a guy even if it has a dick and massive hairy balls, but it's a fucking guy.
3. You've gone from "hurr you can't read Chinese" to "hurr you only read google translate". How about switching it up and little and proving you can speak Chinese?
4. Fix your ESL garbage holy shit.

>>154810049
No. I really am not that well-versed in Chinese fiction.

>>154822966
>Obsessing over trivial things at the same time you backpedal and say "I didn't say Taiwanese want to be called Chinese!" when you did say that
Typical fat American takes after his fat American president.

>>154823061
>say "I didn't say Taiwanese want to be called Chinese!" when you did say that
Pick it out bitchboy

>>154823047
The Nanking incident ironically is only well known because of American and British reporters who happened to be on site and decided to report about it to their home channels. The Chinese proper (at the time I guess it would still be the KMT) barely disseminated any information about the massacres so the American and British reports had huge shock value abroad.

>>154817584
>It's as if Long Islanders insisted they were not New Englanders. Even they would have a fucking point because they're not literally the same group of people at least.

It's more like colonists at the time of the American Revolution insisting they were no longer British and are now American. Separate national identities can be formed despite two areas having a similar culture sempai.

>>154819564
Interact with both mainlanders and Taiwanese sometime and then tell me they're the same. There's as much cultural difference between Taiwanese and mainlanders like there is between Britbongs and Amerifats.

>>154823148
>.05 Yuan has been deposited in your account

>>154816612
>the party for free democracy
>nationalists
>free democracy
You do realize Taiwan was an autocracy until at least 1979 depending on how you date it.

>>154823173
The colonists at the time of the Revolution did not actually insist they were no longer British. Many of them were loyalists, and even the revolutionaries at first were much more about getting their greviances actually addressed than breaking off. It wasn't until George III took a hard line and basically took the Colonists to go fuck themselves that they began radicalizing.

>>154823098
Okay. Here:
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>>154817584
Are you fat American weeb studying in mainland because you are too ugly for white girls, or are you butt blasted gongzei?

>>154823232
Well firstly I'm pretty sure Yuan don't come in denominations that small anymore so wew the CCP robbed me

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>>154808419
That's Indians. Only little kids will not poo in the loo in China.

>>154823268
Only the last one is me, and you will notice that I never once talked about, nor cared about, whether or not the Taiwanese wanted to be called Chinese.

>>154823173
>Separate national identities
They're not two seperate nations. They're a single nation divided on who is going to be top dog.

>>154823312
>Last one is me
Then you must be fat weeb because not even gongfei would think Taiwanese people speak same language as mainland.

>>154823268
Why are you assblasted, is it because white males with their superior BWC are taking all your women?

>>154823260
>The colonists at the time of the Revolution did not actually insist they were no longer British. Many of them were loyalists, and even the revolutionaries at first were much more about getting their greviances actually addressed than breaking off. It wasn't until George III took a hard line and basically took the Colonists to go fuck themselves that they began radicalizing.

Yup. And just like the colonialists were radicalized by George III's actions, Taiwanese were radicalized by the 228 Incident, the subsequent repression of Taiwanese culture and identity by the KMT, and the PRC pointing missiles at Taiwan. And just like how the Loyalists died out after they either fled to Canada or accepted their new citizenship, most Taiwanese are abandoning Chinese identity now that mainlanders who were actually born on the mainland are dying out and the new generation has only lived on Taiwan.

Face it sempai, Chinese identity is as good as dead on Taiwan.

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Im sure theres a 3 Kingdoms anime somewhere.

>>154823387
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan
>Official Languages: Mandarin
Yeah this really makes me think.
But wait you meant the commonly used languages of Hokkien and Hakka aka Minnanhua right? Well Minnan means "South of the Min River"and Minnanhua means "spoken by those south of the Min River" ... but wait, the Min River is in Sichuan and Fujian primarily speaks Hokkien. Hakka originates in...Guangzhou, and both Sixian and Hailu, the most common dialects in Taiwan, also originate and are widely spoken in Guangzhou. WOW.

>>154808817
I can speak Chinese and while I don't think it's ugly-sounding to me, I gotta agree Japanese is a better-sounding language.

>>154823573

In practice Taiwan does have their own unique langauge whatever the origins may be.. My parents and their generation speak it all the time. Another difference is also in the characters we use. China uses simplified like the scum they are and Taiwan uses traditional.

>>154823536
I see your point, but once again I do not believe it is meaningful to speak of Taiwan culture as seperate from, instead of a subset of, Chinese culture, for the simple reason that there is no such thing as a rival Chinese state. Either you recognize the Republic of China and dismiss the People's Republic of China, or you recognize the People's Republic and cut off contact with the Republic. There's never this seperate country called Taiwan to get its own soveriegn culture going.
I'm not saying that the Taiwanese are the same as the Mainlanders, that's retarded. I'm simply saying that they're both the same people, they speak the same language, they have the same background and many of them still have direct family or cousins across the strait, and most importantly - either there is only the RoC or there is only the PRC, and either way there's only one China.

>>154823681
>In practice Taiwan does have their own unique langauge whatever the origins may be
They literally do not. I just listed the official language and the two most common languages in use by the Taiwanese. They're simply dialects, which is obvious because geographically Fujian and Guangzhou are literally right across the ocean and many people who fled were from those parts. You can have special snowflake languages but just because there was that one kid in school fluent in sanskrit for some ungodly reason doesn't mean the official language of the states is sanskrit.

>>154810902
>I thought Taiwan wanted to take over mainland China again eventually.

That was just a meme the KMT spouted when they ruled Taiwan under martial law. Once Taiwan democratized, they subsequently abandoned all talk of "retaking the mainland".

>>154823780
>Once Taiwan democratized
Because people were flipping out

>>154810902
Taiwan wants to take over mainland China in the same way Britannia wants to rule the waves

>>154823573
Dumb, fat, uncultured 紅毛鬼子. I hope you choke to death on mainland "air."

>>154823681
Can people who only learned Simplified read Traditional?

>>154823875
Mainland dogs too stupid to do that.

>>154819860
Only about 15% of Taiwan's current population came to Taiwan after 1949 as a result of the civil war. Even if most Taiwanese aren't indigenous like the aboriginals, they still have inhabited Taiwan for generations. There's literally no difference between what you're saying and some dumbass trying to claim I'm British and not American as a result of my ancestors being British.

>>154808637
Russians and Ukrainians are not the same, despite similarities

Chinese is a language family and there are multiple different Chinese groups pushed to identify as Han by the government for the purposes of artificially created a unified people

The Chinese of Taiwan largely derive from, I believe, Min Nan Chinese. The largest Chinese group on the mainland are the northern speakers of Mandarin, whose language (specifically the Beijing dialect) is labeled as "Putonghua" or the national language of China

Taiwan also uses Mandarin because Mandarin was the official language of the RoC when it controlled China

China itself is comparable to something like "Slavia", it is not a single homogenous people regardless of what the communist government says.

Likewise in Taiwan they have special acknowledgments for the minority of people who have Taiwan aboriginal ancestry and endowments to preserve those cultures.

Additionally there is Japanese influence on Taiwanese speech and society due to Japanese colonization.

Taiwan uses Traditional characters, the PRC uses their communist simplified characters.

On top of all this is the fact that traditional southern Chinese culture is largely intact on Taiwan while it was largely eradicated on the mainland by the Cultural Revolution- chinks seek out Taiwanese priests and masters to teach them the old religion and traditions.

They are not the same fucking thing.

>>154820265
He might not be a Jap, he could also be a chink butthurt over THAAD

>>154823773
It's not the official language but plenty of people know and speak taiwanese. Don't know why you're so adamant about denying it.

>>154823875
Yea probably but it's easier to read simplified if you learned traditional first. Either way the differences are pretty intuitive.

>>154823536
Loyalists didn't die out, being a "United Empire Loyalist" is still a point of pride for something like 10% of Canada's population and up to 30% of Canadians have loyalist ancestors.

>>154823939
>literally WE WUZ'nt CHINESE

>>154823871
You best not think I don't recognize a word like Red Haired Barbarians (technically more like demons or devils) when there's a famous cannon class called the Red Barbarian Cannon (紅夷炮).

>>154823875
Generally speaking I've found they can. Many signs and resturants in the mainland still use traditional for style points or some shit and most traditional characters are very similar to their simplified counterparts. Exceptions exist but people generally know the common ones.

>>154823939
>China itself is comparable to something like Slavia
This is true. China is not and never was a nation in the westphalian sense, and never was and never will be an ethno-cultural entity. It was, however, a cultural entity that manifested a state.

>They are not the same fucking thing.
China does not refer to the PRC any more than it refers to the Ming Dynasty. China refers to China.

>>154823992
Because it simply is not true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Taiwan

>>154820370
Germany and Korea and Vietnam were all cohesive ethnic-nationalist states

China has always been a multicultural empire

>>154824069
It's a multicultural empire but it has never ever tolerated a second emperor. There is no such thing as a 'second' China. If you're part of China you're also Chinese, where Chinese refers to a civilization and a culture "family".

>>154823992
Taiwanese is also known as Hokkien, just fyi

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>>154823550
>Wei
disgusting

>>154824042
And Iran refers to Iran.

>>154824022
The Taiwanese have significant ethnic, linguistic, cultural and political differences which set them apart. The mainland communist dictatorship dominated by people from the north of China is not something an island populated by people descended from the southern Chinese and used to democracy and not being spied on and raped by government troops want to be a part of. I'm not sure why you're sperging so hard about this.

>>154824042
First sentence in the wiki. The language with the most native speakers in Taiwan is Taiwanese Hokkien spoken by about 70% of the population. Unless you're saying that just because it's a variant from Hokkien doesn't make it Taiwanese. That would be like saying Cantonese and mandarin are the same thing.

>>154824099
There is no emperor. Also this business of "clearly Taiwan is rightful chinese clay" then why don't you annex chinkapore too?

>>154824134
At least you aren't a shubabby.

>>154824139
China is not a fucking nation, that's the problem of the matter. You can't look at it through the westphalian lens, especially when currently as it stands there are two governments who both claim to be the legitimate government of all of China and neither side recognizes the other. In fact, it's impossible to have formal diplomatic relationships with both.

>>154824165
Cantonese is not the same fucking language as Mandarin, the written version is only the same due to script uniformity. Hokkein across Guangdong and in Taiwan are completely mutually intelligible. You're trying to say the Queen's English isn't English because it isn't Burger English.

>>154824171
That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that even if you claim Taiwan to be the legitimate government, you automatically discredit the commies from being the legitimate government, which means...Taiwanese people are simply legitimate Chinese people, and the mainlanders become people living under a false government.

>>154823633
I think that from a Western perspective Japanese has more similar and familiar sounds, while Chinese sounds completely alien. At least that's the impression I get.
Case in point, from my experience Westerners can pronounce Japanese words with relative ease, but struggle to do so with Chinese ones, often to the point of being completely unable to reproduce the sound in an understandable way. Probably because of the tones.

>>154822596
你这个该死的傻逼。我也是美国人，我们的国家存在就是因为我们宣布独立了，但是你还要压迫台湾人的自决权？我讨厌你们这样的不要脸的向土共舐痔吮痈的白痴。

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>>154824304
Speak English chinky

>>154824304
>我也是美国人
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA jesus fucking christ fuck off already
You've been calling me an Amerifat this entire goddamn time being incredibly butthurt, and now you say YOU'RE an American?

>我们的国家存在就是因为我们宣布独立了
呵呵呵，“中国人“就不行？国名是中華民國，凭什么不能叫你们中国人？
Also if you're a RoC lad why the fuck aren't you writing in Traditional?

>但是你还要压迫台湾人的自决权
Your 'right to decide' is just as legitimate as the trannie's 'right to decide'. Do you think people in Guangdong are the same as those in Xinjiang or Xi'an or Ha'erbin? Really? They're all called Chinese though...

>我讨厌你们这样的不要脸的向土共舐痔吮痈的白痴
Butthurt 10/10

>

>>154823381
The only reason why the ROC keeps up the charade of saying it's still the rightful owner of the mainland is because the PRC would immediately invade if they ever changed their name to the "Republic of Taiwan" and renounced their claim to the mainland. Polls consistently show that the vast majority of Taiwanese would be in favor of immediately declaring independence if there was no military threat from the PRC. Saying Taiwan still wants to "retake the mainland" is like saying a wife who can't leave her abusive husband because he's threatening to kill her is still in love with her husband.

>>154824271
Thats exactly what I said though? Cantonese is not the same as Mandarin. I'm saying whatever differences between Hokkien and Taiwanese would be the same difference between Queen's English and Burger english in your example. They both indicate cultural differences despite having similar roots.

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>>154808078
aren't they all technically chinese?

>>154822661
you can't do shit cuck, chinese is a major player at world stage now, getting back Taiwan is just a matter of time

>>154813325
That's why there's no more chinese characters. Chinese Batman got rid of them all. Including himself.

>>154824472
That doesn't matter though, I don't see why you bring up the population. I don't give two shits about what the population WANTS, I'm describing the facts as-is. The facts on the table are that however unfair or fair it may be, the beaten wife is still the bad man's wife. You can say they shouldn't be and should seek help but you can't pretend they're not married.

>>154824486
Yes, but they're still the same language. What undermines this is the fact that people in Guangdong speaking Cantonese and Fujian speaking Hokkien and Beijing speaking distorted Mandarin can all be Chinese despite their cultural and lingual differences, the latter of which far exceed that of Taiwan and Guangdong, yet Taiwan is somehow special despite not even actually being a seperate state because no nation to my knowledge formally recognizes both the RoC and the PRC.

>All these cuck Taiwanese in this thread
what is the feeling of being a citizen of a lost nation. Great job with your nationalism until murrica senpai decided to sell your country to China for maximum profit behind the curtain, like how they did through out the course of history

>>154824686
Reminder that Americans are the scum of the Earth
t. Hong Kong
inb4 mods nuke the thread we need to stop

>>154823773
>I see your point, but once again I do not believe it is meaningful to speak of Taiwan culture as seperate from, instead of a subset of, Chinese culture, for the simple reason that there is no such thing as a rival Chinese state. Either you recognize the Republic of China and dismiss the People's Republic of China, or you recognize the People's Republic and cut off contact with the Republic. There's never this seperate country called Taiwan to get its own soveriegn culture going.

And as I said here >>154824472, the only reason why a "Republic of Taiwan" doesnt exist yet is because of military threats from the PRC rather than any real widespread desire for reunification with the mainland. The only people who still identify as Chinese on Taiwan on old mainlanders who are quickly dying out.

>I'm simply saying that they're both the same people, they speak the same language, they have the same background and many of them still have direct family or cousins across the strait

Taiwanese will admit that they're culturally and ethnically 华人，just that their national identity is 台湾人 rather than 中国人. It's not impossible for them to acknowledge they have the same (or similar) culture to China while asserting a separate national identity.

>>154824463
This is a thing with some 2nd generation where they try to identify with their origins by going over the top with the jingoism /nationalism. See the Azteca bullshit from whitewashed SoCal Mexicans. He basically has the stories but none of the nuance that comes with lived experience, so he fills that gap by being extra aggressive.

Actual Hong Kong born Chinese here, though I emigrated at 12. Some of the wannabe F.O.B.s I've met in the states are ridiculously cringeworthy, much like weeaboos.

>>154824724
>华人
The entire crux of the problem you see is that 华人 was originally a coined word that literally means "Chinese", because during the turmoil of Lc19 -> c20, the governments in charge of China were attempting to foster some sort of national identity along the lines of westphalian ethnonationalism and came up with this idea that China could be boiled down to a few cultures and peoples, culminating in the semi-famous five-color flag representing the ""five peoples"" which comprised 华人 who populated 中国/中华国. In this context, 华人 is synonymous with 中国人 because both mean "Chinese people".

>>154824741
>much like weeaboos
Sometimes I seriously wonder how the Japanese FOBs reacted to the fatass people playing at being Naruto or Guts or something.

>>154824463
I'm not the Taiwanese guy you were originally replying to you stupid shithead, check my IP if you don't believe me. I've studied in China too, and I've meant tons of idiots laowai like you who go out of their way to praise the CCP. You all think that by swallowing the bullshit the CCP spouts, you're somehow less biased than all "sheep" who are pro-Western. You're nothing more than a modern useful idiot. And the fact that you compare the right to self-determination to transgender people changing their gender only further confirms you're an idiot who should fuck off to /pol/.

How about instead of shitposting on a Mongolian wrestling board, you go work for the Global Times? They're always looking for useful idiot foreigners like yourself.

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The better question is why there are so few Germans in anime. I always thought that the Japanese have some sort of special relationship to them.

>>154824599

Taiwan is "special" because of the political situation. Yes, Taiwan can hypothetically be called Chinese people despite cultural and linguistic differences. But that's obviously not what many Taiwanese people want.

>>154824864
You're not wrong in saying that terms like 华人 and 汉族 were originally bullshit, however it doesn't change the fact that nowadays both mainlanders and Taiwanese use 华人 to mean Chinese in a cultural sense, while 中国人 means Chinese in a national sense. For instance, mainlander nationalists will specifically demand that Taiwanese celebrities say that they're 中国人 rather than just 华人。So while 华人 and 中国人 can both be translated as "Chinese" in English, saying they have the same meaning is bullshit.

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>>154824955
>check my IP if you don't believe me
It's not helping because that other fucking faggot has been changing his IP literally every other reply, I had no way of knowing. I apologize.

> I've meant tons of idiots laowai like you who go out of their way to praise the CCP. You all think that by swallowing the bullshit the CCP spouts, you're somehow less biased than all "sheep" who are pro-Western.
I don't praise the CCP, I'm merely here for some research. I'm not literally enrolled in some sort of undergrad or grad program here. I give credit where due credit is due - they've completely obliterated the competition when it comes to the economy and they've managed to get some great triumphs in the field of international relations. They also have faults, such as their ridiculous level of corruption, the sort of weird emphasis on expensive yet ineffective censoring, and the ineffectual justice system which looks good on paper but never actually makes it to the streets.

>than all the sheep
Hey mate, it's ironic because when their universities literally have a course that is all but named "brainwashing", people tend not to listen. I've met far fewer Marxists in the universities than I've met liberal retards (and I mean actual retards, the ones that are basically /pol/'s boogeyman) in the West.

>And the fact that you compare the right to self-determination to transgender people changing their gender only further confirms you're an idiot who should fuck off to /pol/.
The problem is their right to self determination has been exercised. They're a sovereign state - just because nobody recognizes them doesn't mean they haven't had self-determination. Why do I compare it to trannies? Because self determination would mean actually choosing your gender, while what you're pulling is insisting on not being called Chinese when the facts on the table show that indeed you are Chinese and your country is the Repub of China.

>>154824992
There's plenty of Germans in anime though?

>>154808792
>muh planes

>>154825183
>saying they have the same meaning is bullshit
...that's not my point though. I've never said that Taiwanese people need to call themselves 中国人 for the reason you pointed out. But even if they call themselves 华人 that still translates to "Chinese". I'm annoyed at people from Taiwan who explicitly insist on being called Taiwanese as explicitly seperate from Chinese. There's nothing wrong with calling them Taiwanese, because it's a meaningful seperation in the same way "New Yorkers" isn't really the same as "Americans" or "Shanghai" isn't the same as "China". But to pretend you're not Chinese is stupid. Just because you're not a 中国人 doesn't mean you're not a 华人.

taiwan no. 1


enjoy your communism chinafags

>>154825450
Reminder that Taiwan's economy is basically dependent o China's

>>154824599
>That doesn't matter though, I don't see why you bring up the population. I don't give two shits about what the population WANTS, I'm describing the facts as-is. The facts on the table are that however unfair or fair it may be, the beaten wife is still the bad man's wife. You can say they shouldn't be and should seek help but you can't pretend they're not married.

I'm not disputing the facts as-is either, what I'm disputing is the assertion frequently made by Chinese nationalists (and foreign useful idiots such as yourself) that because there's no official "Republic of Taiwan", a Taiwanese national identity doesn't and shouldn't exist. Again, it would be like Britbongs asserting at the time of the American Revolution that because a significant number of colonists are Loyalists and because American independence is not widely recognized, that an American national identity therefore doesnt exist.

And to go back to my battered wife analogy, while the husband and wife are still officially married, they're living separately and the wife is begging for protection from her abusive husband. While we give Israel whatever weapons they want, Taiwan is continuously lobbying the US for more substantial arms packages. If Taiwan is asking for our help and is willing to pay for it, should we just abandon them?

>>154824134
Wei=Jin>Wu
I dont care for Shu

>>154825514
>the assertion frequently made by Chinese nationalists
It cannot exist as a seperate identity because the official Republic of China is Chinese in nature. I don't care what the people 'want', I'm saying that it's meaningless to insist on not being called Chinese as it is now. Imagine if I flipped shit at being called American because fuck you mate I'm from New York (or it'd be California these days I guess because of that semi-serious secession proposal).

>Again, it would be like Britbongs asserting
The British correctly asserted that at the beginning, and even when the revolution was over most of the colonists were distinctly British in their mannerisms. The biggest problem is that Americans made their own independent state, while Taiwanese...kind of did?

>While we give Israel whatever weapons they want,
If I might comment, this is simultaneously the most stupid continuing stance in recent US geopolitics and an unavoidable one.

>Taiwan is continuously lobbying the US for more substantial arms packages. If Taiwan is asking for our help and is willing to pay for it, should we just abandon them?
Well firstly, Taiwan is not an official ally of the US and in fact doesn't officially exist in the eyes of diplomacy. The very legality of selling weapons and defense systems to a country that doesn't exist is kind of suspect.
Second off, the question of "should we" broaches the question of "what are we trying to accomplish". Personally I think Meeting China Halfway by Goldstein and "Knowledge, Desire and Power in Global Politics" by Chengxin Pan are some good English-Language starting material on that. I simply don't see the long-term benefit of pissing China off by paying Taiwan and therefore radicalizing both sides. And it's not like China is blind, they know we're behind it, it hurts relationships and I seriously don't think we can give enough help to prevent them from being overrun. There's only so much we can sell to them.

>>154825343
>I'm annoyed at people from Taiwan who explicitly insist on being called Taiwanese as explicitly seperate from Chinese.

They call themselves "Taiwanese" because most Americans aren't even aware that Taiwan is not officially independent. Just look at all the newspapers which had to give an explanation of the Taiwan issue following Trump's call to Tsai Yingwen. While mainlanders insist on Taiwan being referred to internationally as "Taiwan, China", most Americans differentiate between "China" and "Taiwan". So saying they're Taiwanese is a way to clarify they're from Taiwan rather than mainland China.

It's also not uncommon for people who have aspirations of de jure independence to differentiate themselves. Kurds will deny they're Turks, Uighurs and Tibetans will deny they're Chinese too, Ukrainians denied they were Russian prior to attaining independence, Catalans insist they're not Spanish, etc.

Also, saying that a person saying they're Taiwanese rather than Chinese is no different from a person saying they're a New Yorker rather than American in of itself is a denial of the political reality and ignoring that Taiwan is de facto independent while not de jure independent.

>>154825514
It's a big difference to directly antagonize China than it is a bunch of backwards sand theocracies, the most important of which are already "valued allies" and don't care enough about Israel to attack them themselves (instead funding Palestinian/other local militias to do it for them).

>>154825945
But again, Chinese refers to more than just the nationality. I don't insist they not use Taiwanese because it's extremely useful to know that X is a person from Taiwan instead of China, it changes a lot of potential topics. But I'm annoyed at, say, look at how this conversation started. OP asks why there aren't more "Chinese" characters in anime. Do we really think he exclusively meant "people under the flag of the Communist Party" or do we think he means "chinks" including people like say Chao Lingsheng?

>>154825203
> had no way of knowing. I apologize.

Fair enough, thanks for taking me at my word. I apologize for calling you an idiot.

>I give credit where due credit is due

I agree with everything you say here in this paragraph actually, and I too try to give credit where credit is due. However, I find Chinese arguments that Taiwan is a part of China to be inherently flawed. While it can be argued that Taiwanese are in denial of the reality that Taiwan is not de jure independent, I'm saying that Chinese arguments (and your arguments by extension) obscure the fact that Taiwan is de facto independent. So I guess the question is whether de jure or de facto independence matters more; I'm arguing the latter.

>Hey mate, it's ironic because when their universities literally have a course that is all but named "brainwashing", people tend not to listen.

I've seen Chinese make this argument before. In my experience, Chinese will say this right before they make the exact same arguments about Taiwan, Tibet, the CCP, Tiananmen, etc. that I've heard a million times before and I find easily refutable. Just because Chinese fall asleep during their Marxism courses doesn't mean they're still not being brainwashed. We need to get over this notion that one side is less brainwashed than the other; fucking everyone is brainwashed, all that matters is which side has the better arguments.

>The problem is their right to self determination has been exercised. They're a sovereign state - just because nobody recognizes them doesn't mean they haven't had self-determination.

I would say that the fact that Taiwan is prevented from modifying their constitution under threat of war, and is denied participation in international organizations indicates they're sovereignty and self-determination is being repressed. So Taiwanese saying they're Taiwanese can be viewed as an expression of the hope for de jure independence so Taiwan can have normal international relations like every other state.

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>>154826049
>Do we really think he exclusively meant "people under the flag of the Communist Party" or do we think he means "chinks" including people like say Chao Lingsheng?

That's a good point actually, but I think the thing to understand is the question of "Who is Chinese" is inherently tied to politics. And you have mainlanders argue that because Taiwanese are culturally Chinese, they shouldn't mind "reunifying" with the PRC. So it's not surprising that Taiwanese will assert they're only Taiwanese at every opportunity as a way to push back against mainlanders trying to justify annexing them.

>>154826439
>I'm saying that Chinese arguments (and your arguments by extension) obscure the fact that Taiwan is de facto independent
You see here's the key disjoint. I'm not talking about which state has control. The relevant point is that there is only one state, which necessarily means that people living there, while being Taiwanese, are also Chinese in the sense of what OP means - part of China-as-Civilization, instead of China-as-State. It's why I said it's like saying the Ming weren't Chinese, because OP doesn't mean "why are there so few Red Guards in anime", OP means "why are there so few people named Wang or Zhang in anime".

>Chinese will say this right before they make the exact same arguments about Taiwan, Tibet, the CCP, Tiananmen, etc. that I've heard a million times before and I find easily refutable.
I'm talking about ideological brainwashing, not lack of sound logical reasoning. I find that most chinks are less ideologically brainwashed, even as their arguments still lack real clarity.

>I would say that the fact that Taiwan is prevented from modifying their constitution under threat of war and is denied participation in international organizations indicates they're sovereignty and self-determination is being repressed.
Thing is that their sovereignty simply isn't a thing because nobody recognizes them and their self-determination is simply being overpowered. I wouldn't say they don't have those things, they're just not really in a position to use the due to geopolitics. I mean think of it from Beijing's point of view - allowing the kind of determination you speak of is essentially surrendering to the seperatist rebels. How can a sovereign nation bear to accede to that?

>>154826457
Autism.

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>>154826647
>And you have mainlanders argue that because Taiwanese are culturally Chinese, they shouldn't mind "reunifying" with the PRC.
I mean...I guess? Those are the analogy to retarded Americans who legit think that everyone in the world owes America their everything and should be grateful to them.
Still, the idea of reunification to me sounds like a reasonable prospect if you push for a seperate government. To my knowledge the actual CCP proposal is essentially status quo plus free trade plus dropping their purported sovereign status, I think they'd even have immunity to national laws for some period. For America especially, I think it's a great piece to have in consideration at least right now when we're lacking in really tasty carrots for China and trying to overcompensate with a metric assload of sticks at our own peril. I mean, it'd be like a trump card. Sanctions on Iran? Laying off the SCS for a while? Fuck up the North Koreans and negotiate unified Korea, even? You could get them to do damn near anything.

>>154826738

I see your point but if someone calls you an Englishman when you're actually an american, would you not feel the need to correct him?

>>154826974
It's more analagous to someone calling me Germanic.

>>154825902
>Imagine if I flipped shit at being called American because fuck you mate I'm from New York (or it'd be California these days I guess because of that semi-serious secession proposal).

If the California secession movement ever becomes serious, it wouldn't surprise me if Californians started asserting they're Californian rather than American. I guess we can't agree on this, but I'm understanding of people who reject their internationally recognized national identity as a way of asserting the national identity they want to have. Rejecting official narratives is always a precondition of independence movements succeeding.

>Taiwan is not an official ally of the US and in fact doesn't officially exist in the eyes of diplomacy. The very legality of selling weapons and defense systems to a country that doesn't exist is kind of suspect.

You're not wrong that we don't officially recognize Taiwan, but the Taiwan Relations Act still requires the US to maintain unofficial relations with Taiwan and provide them with weapons so they can adequately defend themselves. So if a US president is refusing to sell adequate weapons to Taiwan, they're violating US law. As for international law, that means jack shit. States choose all the time to fund secession movements if they decide it's in their best interests. The US exists because France decided helping the Americans was in it's best interest. I personally feel that guaranteeing an independent Taiwan is more important to US interests than an Israel.

>>154826997
Fair enough.

>>154827213
New York is a state. Taiwan is not.

>>154827213
>If the California secession movement ever becomes serious

States literally are not allowed to secede, this was amended into the constitution after the civil war. States can be broken up into smaller States, but they cannot secede.

>>154825902
>What are we trying to accomplish?

Well for one, I feel it's the duty of the US to prevent fellow democracies from being annexed. Two, I feel Chinese control of Taiwan could threaten US territory in the Pacific. Three, a Chinese invasion of Taiwan would be devastating to our economy, regardless of who wins.

I feel there's a growing thinking among mainlanders that if China decided to invade Taiwan, the US wouldn't intervene. Selling Taiwan nothing but junk send the message that the US won't defend Taiwan if China one day becomes too impatient with how slow "peaceful reunification" is taking. So while the US shouldn't do something blatantly aggressive like installing THAAD or US military bases on Taiwan, I feel sellling Taiwan the same kind of military tech we sell Israel, and giving them tech they've specifically asked for (like F-35s and helping them to design new dorsal submarines) would send China a message that they wouldn't get away with an invasion.

>>154816943
>just as often as the Portuguese or Polish would
Come to think of, are they any important anime characters from Europe that are not Germans, French, British or Russian?
Not!Romans and not!Greeks in some bad fantasy do not count.

I remember some anime-like something about some fags from Spain/Portugal doing some random shit in south mercia, but it may be co-production and I don't know if such count as animu

>>154810507
Dude come on, Miu was shit but Renka was FAR from the optimal choice

>>154817488
I'm going to call bullshit and say you aren't Taiwanese.

>>154827213
>I personally feel that guaranteeing an independent Taiwan is more important to US interests than an Israel.
Israel is incredibly important to American geopolitics because it's basically the only foothold left in the extremely fucking hostile mideast. Taiwan is also a foothold of sorts, but in addition to the reasons and arguments in the books I recommeneded (there's plenty of others of course), Taiwan is sensitive strategically for China. The presence of American weaponry on Taiwan and American ships patrolling in the South China Sea is analagous to Chinese weapons in Cuba and Chinese carriers in the Gulf. It's not really hard to see why they'd be extremely fucking butthurt about continuing and increasing manuevers of the sort.

>US interests
What exactly does the US gain from an independent Taiwan that's increasingly radicalized and by doing so radicalize China itself towards hostility with the US? Most of China's current animosity towards the "west" is directly caused by said "west" with incidents like Belgrade, the 2001 spyplane, and so on.

>>154827389
I don't even remember most of the other girls in that series to be honest, besides kickgirl who's taken.

>>154813470
A fucking joke character, based on the average 13 yo /b/tard with two edgy guns and edgy edginess and he still gets more pussy than me.

Life´s not fair, bros.

>>154816249
>My kukri-wielding killer chink lady can´t be this cute!

>>154827363
>the duty of the US
It really isn't.

>Two, I feel Chinese control of Taiwan could threaten US territory in the Pacific
I disagree. While it threatens US hegemony in the Pacific I believe that US hegemony in the Pacific is simply impossible - and undesireable - in the face of a resurgent China and slowing awakening India and SEA. Attempts to preserve it will ultimately prove to be simply destabilizing instead of the other way around. As the 'mature' country in Kissinger's eyes, we should know when - and where - to step down, and where to take the hard line. By giving China room instead of increasingly caging it in like Obama has done in his second term it's easier to prevent conflict. This doesn't mean appeasement, mind you, any more than the RMB being added to the SDR was appeasement. It simply stands to reason that China, being a global power and certainly dominant in East Asia, should be allowed some form of hegemony - not total, but not the near-nothing it is now - over the area instead of stubbornly trying to control those affairs from half a world away. In fact, while Japan is friendly-ish with the states I believe it's actually in everyone's best interests that they become friendly with China also (as impossible as that might sound), because then all the major players in the area will be more or less okay with each other.

>Three, a Chinese invasion of Taiwan would be devastating to our economy, regardless of who wins.
But only if we intervene, which we don't have to and likely will not as long as China finishes it as fast as they're aiming to.

>would send China a message that they wouldn't get away with an invasion.
At the same time though, it would make the mainland worried that the US is pivoting towards complete independence and they might paradoxically speed up their plans. If we were to relax a little, perhaps they'd go with their traditional idea of 'slow' unification. I seriously doubt that China WANTS to go to war, if they can avoid it.

>>154827746
Is he canonically fucking them though, I thought that was just the doujins

>>154826738
>I'm not talking about which state has control. The relevant point is that there is only one state, which necessarily means that people living there, while being Taiwanese, are also Chinese in the sense of what OP means - part of China-as-Civilization, instead of China-as-State

Since I emphasize de facto independence rather than de jure independence more, I go by the definition of a state according to the Montevideo Convention. The PRC and ROC can be thought of as separate states while both are part of Chinese civilization (the ROC still conducts international relations even if it has limited recognition). So while you have a point that Taiwanese should be thought of as Chinese in cultural contexts such as anime, Taiwanese saying they're Taiwanese isn't necessarily a denial of the fact that they are currently nationals of the ROC (whose territory is currently 99% Taiwan).

>I'm talking about ideological brainwashing, not lack of sound logical reasoning.

Imo, simplistic nationalist narratives such as "Taiwan has been a part of China since ancient times and will inevitably reunify" can be considered a form of ideological brainwashing. All nationalism is is constructed narratives really.

>I mean think of it from Beijing's point of view - allowing the kind of determination you speak of is essentially surrendering to the seperatist rebels. How can a sovereign nation bear to accede to that?

Of course it makes sense from Beijing's point of view. But we're not Chinese so why should we give a shit about what mainlanders want over what the Taiwanese want? States ignore what other states want all the time.

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>>154824432
B-But Rebecca is half-chink half-burger herself.... Does she not speak Mandarin?

>>154808078
Japs hate chinks out of jealousy and flips because they're essentially the mexicans of asia

>>154827848
>The PRC and ROC can be thought of as separate states while both are part of Chinese civilization (the ROC still conducts international relations even if it has limited recognition).
Correct but then again "China" is a "Civilization pretending to be a nation".

>Imo, simplistic nationalist narratives such as "Taiwan has been a part of China since ancient times and will inevitably reunify" can be considered a form of ideological brainwashing. All nationalism is is constructed narratives really.
I suppose? It's really more like a general narrative. At any rate this particular conversation is kind of pointless.

>>154827904
Flips are the Mexicans of Asia in that when you say "Asia" nobody thinks of Flips as even part of them and nobody wants to either.
The Koreans are the niggers of Asia, their WE WUZ game is beyond belief.

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>>154827847
Ohh come on, adrenaline-pumped fit mercenaries with severely fucked up personalities? They are banging like fucking woodpeckers.

Also, Revy is canonically too scarred to ever have sex. She is pure, please don´t sexualize her.

>>154826955
>Those are the analogy to retarded Americans who legit think that everyone in the world owes America their everything and should be grateful to them.

I see mainlanders make this argument to Taiwanese in-between calling them 台巴子，呆湾人, and 汉奸 all the time.

>Still, the idea of reunification to me sounds like a reasonable prospect if you push for a seperate government. To my knowledge the actual CCP proposal is essentially status quo plus free trade plus dropping their purported sovereign status, I think they'd even have immunity to national laws for some period.

First off, how the CCP is gradually interfering more and more in Hong Kong shows that the CCP can't be trusted to not interfere in Taiwan.

Second, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how states think. Small states generally do whatever they can to avoid being annexed by larger states. Why should Taiwan agree to be annexed by the PRC when they can continue the status quo and prevent the PRC from interfering in their domestic politics like they do in Hong Kong?

Why the fuck are you retards not saging or better yet, moving this shit to /pol/?

>>154828067
>how the CCP is gradually interfering more and more in Hong Kong shows that the CCP can't be trusted to not interfere in Taiwan
Hong Kong enjoys incredible freedom compared to the mainland. While its meddling is to be condemned, in retrospect the "umbrella protests" really brought it down on themselves.

>Second, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how states think. Small states generally do whatever they can to avoid being annexed by larger states. Why should Taiwan agree to be annexed by the PRC when they can continue the status quo and prevent the PRC from interfering in their domestic politics like they do in Hong Kong?
I'm not thinking about this from the point of view of Taiwan but from the point of view of the US.

>>154828075
I am but there's people making on-topic posts.

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Fuck off, Taiwan is for Only China, Only China is for the West and Gooks and Nips are for slaughtering and raping.

There, end of discussion. Now post some fucking Shenhua and her crew, goddammit!

>>154828278
t. sleeping giant pro

>>154827623
>Israel is incredibly important to American geopolitics because it's basically the only foothold left in the extremely fucking hostile mideast.

If the Arabs drove the Jews into the sea the next day, would the Arabs be able to project power from Palestine in a way that threatens the US? Why should we give a shit about the Middle East when everything the US does there only makes things worse, and we're gradually weaning ourselves off oil? East Asia will continue to grow in importance while the Middle East will become irrelevant. At least we can point to a few examples of where US intervention in East Asia made life better for people there such as WWII, South Korea, and Taiwan. And I still say Taiwan is a far more important foothold than Israel and China could threaten the US from Taiwan far more than Arabs ever could.

>Taiwan is also a foothold of sorts, but in addition to the reasons and arguments in the books I recommeneded (there's plenty of others of course), Taiwan is sensitive strategically for China. The presence of American weaponry on Taiwan and American ships patrolling in the South China Sea is analagous to Chinese weapons in Cuba and Chinese carriers in the Gulf. It's not really hard to see why they'd be extremely fucking butthurt about continuing and increasing manuevers of the sort.

Then maybe decrease US maneuvers in SCS, but I still say the US shouldn't abandon a fellow democratic nation like Taiwan nor should it allow the PRC to annex Taiwan against the wishes of the Taiwanese people. What's the difference between acceding to whatever China wants and trying to appease Japan and Germany prior to WWII? I don't think it's a good idea to tell nationalist Chinese that they can get away with whatever they want.

>>154828401
>I don't think it's a good idea to tell nationalist Chinese that they can get away with whatever they want.
By telling them to fuck off because they're being too aggressive and construing China as an actual threat to the US (it isn't), you are slowly making China more aggressive and threatening. It's not 'whatever they want', that's the point. There are some hegemonies you can't maintain. The correct course of action to is yield those hegemonies smoothly instead of trying to fight for them.

>fellow democratic nation
Completely irrelevant.

>

There are already plenty of Chinese characters in anime. The real question is why aren't there more Korean characters given the proximity of the two countries and cultures.

But aren't these Chinese cartoons?

>>154828650
Korea is the irrelevant nation in Asia. Japan also doesn't really like Korea and seriously what the fuck does Korea have in terms of specialties? What exoticness does it bring? What stereotypes could you posibly add to it?

>>154827837
>It really isn't.

So you don't feel the US has any responsibility to nations we have previously pledged to defend?

>It simply stands to reason that China, being a global power and certainly dominant in East Asia, should be allowed some form of hegemony

I agree, but I don't feel that giving Chinese some hegemony has to include allowing them to annex Taiwan

>But only if we intervene, which we don't have to and likely will not as long as China finishes it as fast as they're aiming to.

Taiwan is still a major trading partner of the US, and an invasion of Taiwan would destroy the Taiwanese economy just like invasions tend to do. The destruction of the Taiwanese economy would also affect all the Taiwanese businesses on the mainland, which in turn will affect the larger Chinese economy. War will be bad for us even if we don't intervene.

Also, you're assuming the US wouldn't have time to intervene. Most estimates say that the Taiwan could probably hold out for a month without US intervention, and that a Chinese invasion of Taiwan could still cause immense casualties to the PLA.

>>154827837
>At the same time though, it would make the mainland worried that the US is pivoting towards complete independence and they might paradoxically speed up their plans. If we were to relax a little, perhaps they'd go with their traditional idea of 'slow' unification. I seriously doubt that China WANTS to go to war, if they can avoid it.

The CCP will go to war if millions of screaming Chinese nationalists threaten to overthrow the government if "unification" is not accomplished. I think that as long as the US continues to declare that we still support the One-China policy and that we will not defend Taiwan if they make any moves to formal independence, that will indicate to China that we are not moving towards supporting Taiwanese independence.

The Obama administration refused to supply Taiwan with adequate arms, and the result is that Chinese now think we have no backbone and will roll-over in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. I believe that the Chinese believing they can get away with an invasion with little casualties is far more dangerous than the Chinese believing that the US will defend Taiwan in the event of an invasion.

>>154828143
>Hong Kong enjoys incredible freedom compared to the mainland. While its meddling is to be condemned, in retrospect the "umbrella protests" really brought it down on themselves.

"Incredible freedom compared to the mainland" is an incredibly low standard. Hong Kongers had been demanding the right to choose Chief Executive nominees for years, and the CCP continuously refused so that they could have a puppet in Hong Kong. While the tactics of the Umbrella protestors can be questioned, saying the protests did not come from legitimate frustration is bullshit. Occupy Central had been threatened for over a year in response to the CCP refusing to compromise, it wasn't a sudden event.

>>154816249
What game is Lotton and Sawer playing?

>>154828956
>>154828840
>>154828749
>>154828401
Fuck OFF

>>154828501
>There are some hegemonies you can't maintain. The correct course of action to is yield those hegemonies smoothly instead of trying to fight for them.

And I agree the US should accede hegemony in some aspects such as allowing China control of the SCS, allowing them to set-up the Asian Infrastructure Bank, and allowing them to fund infrastructure projects such as One Belt, One Road. I don't agree that allowing the PRC to annex Taiwan is something we have to do though. Besides the fact that Taiwan is actually quite important geopolitically, I think sending the message to a rising power that they have a blank check for expansionism will bite us in the ass like it did for Germany and Japan. And while I agree with Trump that allies such as Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, and Taiwan should increase their defense budgets, we can't just abandon treaty allies that we have maintained for decades without completely destroying US credibility in the process.

>>154829090
Eroge

>>154823633
I often find myself wondering how English sounds. I don't think it's possible to make an aesthetic judgement of your own native language. Maybe if I moved away and spoke a different language for years I could manage it.

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>>154828840
>He thinks mainland cares about casualties in order to get the island back
>He thinks CCP isn't petty enough to even go full zerg rush
You're coming back, whether you like it or not

>>154830209
All it took was the US sending the 7th Fleet to the Taiwan Strait in 1949 to stop Mao from going Zerg rush on Taiwan. Chinese are bitches who will back down from Taiwan if they're convinced the US will intervene.

>IIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN0vUlljX0I
butt mad communist chinks

>>154823875
I think mainland Chinese can do so relatively easily. I'm a white guy who learned simplified and while I can kinda read traditional, it's a pain in the ass to do. So I have a browser extension which automatically converts sites in traditional Chinese to simplified.

>>154823875
it's a dead giveaway for me that I'm an ABC because I read both but when I write I default to traditional.

TAIWAN NAMBA WAN
>TAIWAN NAMBA WAN

TAIWAN NAMBA WAN
>TAIWAN NAMBA WAN

TAIWAN NAMBA WAN
>TAIWAN NAMBA WAN

TAIWAN NAMBA WAN
>TAIWAN NAMBA WAN

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TAIWAN NAMBA FUCKING WAN

OG CHINA WILL RETAKE FROM BARBARIC MANCHU SOMEDAY

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>>154820821
Cause she won't be stoned for doing so.

>>154827897

She only speaks English. She might ethnically be a chink, but she's culturally and officially a burger.

taiwan is like the quebec of china except they speak the same language

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>>154827897

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On a side note why are the chinese girls always the hottest ones in Black Lagoon

>they didn't fuck

What the hell was the point of this scene?

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>>154831888
forgot pic

>>154808078
the only thing the japanese hate more than whito piggus is other asians

>>154824304
Fucking taiwancuck pretending to be a burger, KEK

>>154808796
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/GF13-049NM_Tequila_Gundam
its fucking real

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>>154833118
你们中国人为什么都以为白人不可能会说中文？

>>154831775
>Chinky is speaking Mandarin, not Cantonese
>Can't tell the difference

Damn she really is American

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>Chinese character
>they are evil

>Korean character
>they don't exist or are irrelevant

>American character
>they are rude and loud

Really makes you think.

>Japan will never make an anime where they are the good guys in ww2 and all japanese atrocities are completely justified.
>Japan will never translate this anime into chinese and airdrop millions of copies of it onto large chineese cities.
>Japan will never claim that the anime was historically accurate, even while china is threatening invasion.
>Japan will never do the same with korea.

Why live?

>>154834326
You should learn traditional chinese instead. Much more meaningful and pleasing to the eyes.

>>154834595
I actually can't think of any major Chinese characters that are evil. They're usually some kung fu stereotype and are supporting characters as opposed to antagonists.

>>154814952
Third worlded.

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Feng is my chinkfu

>>154834595
Seems accurate. Except Chinese people IRL are not only evil but also rude and loud.

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>>154834789
>意味着打的繁体字很好看

Traditional characters are only pleasing to the eye when written with brush and ink for calligraphy, they look like shit in all other contexts.

Not to mention a lot of simplified characters are just cursive forms of characters that had been in use for centuries. I find they still have a lot of meaning and are beautiful in their simplicity and neatness.

>>154808078
Because all Asians hate each other, except maybe the Koreans.

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>>154834771
>Japan will never make an anime where they are the good guys in ww2 and all japanese atrocities are completely justified.

They made a manga about this at least .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_Gōmanism_Manifesto_Special_–_On_War

>>154808637
>there is only one race in China
Do you even history you ignorant neger.

>>154834951
>Skinny Chinese girl with decent-sized boobs

How inaccurate

>>154824722
What'd we do to Hong Kong?

>>154835038
>thinks tradtional characters look like shit
>dumb phone poster
>index
>smug anime face
How can anyone have this big a shit taste?

>>154835101
>Implying Koreans don't hate other Asians

Bahahahahaha

>>154820265
This one's actually a chink

>ITT: chinks that think everything is a part of China

In case anyone is wondering, chinese women actually don't wear those china dresses as often as seen in anime.

>>154820928
To think the CCP could've collapsed by now and you could be out from beneath their boot heel if it weren't for him and all the greedy corporatist suckers in Murka selling out to him.

>>154835553
They do wear them for formal occasions but they don't have that thigh high slit.

>>154835846
>they don't have that thigh high slit
I'm pretty sure they do

>>154835846
>they don't have that thigh high slit

Then how are they even able to walk?!

>>154836180
>>154836166
They do but usually not that high.

>>154834326
>>支那殘體
>>會中文
死番仔學尛殘體字，這算會個屁中文

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>>154822706
>giving the Chinese guy a green hat
Kek

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>>154837432

/pol/

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>>154837490
That's not /v/ related

I support Taiwan's case. Chinks are disgusting. Their culture should be wiped out entirely and replaced with any other East Asian countries and the entire world would be much better off for it.

>>154837432
Is that male or female?

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>>154830551
Perfect

>>154837635
I thought green hats were worn by males working the world's oldest profession as ukes.

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>>154837226
>广东话

真他妈的恶心

>>154837635
What the fuck China. That's fucked up.

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>>154824992
>I always thought that the Japanese have some sort of special relationship to them.
It was a one time affair.
Turns out they lost everything doing that.
They should have stuck with allies like they always did.

>>154838206
廣東話，國語阿豆仔傻傻分不清

>>154838311
You must be incredibly ignorant if you think that the German-Japanese connection is something that started or stopped to exist with WW2. There isnt a group of foreigners that the Japanese respect more than the Germans. They have a cultural connection that goes way beyond most other nations. Their entire way of living is incredibly similar as well.

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>>154838102
It doesn't matter, thicc is thicc.

>>154838499
>Their entire way of living is incredibly similar as well.

Ordnung muss sein?

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>>154837635
I love when I caught this joke when those Taiwanese animators were covering the US primaries.

https://youtu.be/hOjJUgADNaI#t=1m37s

>>154838420
>番仔
>阿豆子

呵呵，我以为是广东话因为我看不懂你们呆湾人的口语

>>154838696
These Taiwanese animations on politics are really quite something.

>>154838206
>广
>廣
Disgusting. Simplified characters truly are for simplified brains.