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How will the young prince get out of this one
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>>154787893
Is Ciel getting rid of India? After bearing with his shit for so long. What a waste.
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>>154787893
What did he see
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>>154788039
If the two Ciels theory isnt true, the author would be quite the troll
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>>154787893
This series can't possibly still be going on, can it?
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>>154788039
>Soma reacts like someone friendly opened the door
>Agni gets shocked over what he saw on the photo
>This page
It's double Ciel
>>154788149
But it is
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>>154788126
I really hope the 2 Ciels theory is true. Most of the Nip fandom believes it is. Only retarded Western whales hate it because they got used to mistranslation from years ago.
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>>154788126
>>154788227
I dont frequent Black Butler threads.
What's the two Ciels theory?
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>>154788327
Ciel had a twin and he was actually the real Ciel and he was the one who got killed the night of the sacrifice to invoke Sebastian. You should check the thread on bb forum. There is a lot of evidence.
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>>154788327
Ciel has a twin brother, or sister. It's the twin who got sacrificed when Sebastian was summoned
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>>154788327
http://theofficialdoublecieltheorist.blogspot.com/

It's more obvious than R+L=J
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I hope india declares war now, fuck Britain.

>>154788421
Or he was a body double and not his real brother.
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>>154788439
>sister
Don't invent bullshit now. All the clues show that if twin there is it's a boy. You think Lizzie wouldn't know the difference between a boy and a girl?
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>>154788478
>body double
S2 Animefag not allowed itt.
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>>154788327
Ciel has a twin or at least a body double. The original Ciel, the son of the Phantomhives, died/was the sacrifice. The current "Ciel" is the other one having assumed his identity afterwards.
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>>154788478
>India the colony declaring war on it's master Britain
>>154788496
Look all I'm saying is that Ciel can easily pass for a girl.
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Body double wouldn't made sense because why would Vincent introduce both of them.
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>>154788738
And a twin wouldn't make sense because there would be no reason to hide his identity and pretend to be Ciel if he was a legitimate Phantomhive anyway.

Clearly papa phantomhive had a mistress and current Ciel is the bastard offspring who just happens to look a great deal like the original. He assumed Ciel's identity so he could legally inherit without any fuss to further his revenge plans.
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>>154788851
Because shy Ciel aka the one we know was always a very weak child with asthma and he would have been taken advantage more than real Ciel. Also it's probably because shy Ciel felt guilt over being the one to survive while he believed his brother should have and so he took over his identity. Wouldn't be the first twin story with that scenario.
Twin theory makes plenty of sense, body double doesn't and only Aloisfags like it. No wonder they have shit taste.
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Has anyone seen the movie?
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>>154788851

Because it wasn't about being a Phantomhive. It was about being Ciel. Ciel was the popular twin.
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>>154789024
Which movie? The live action one?
The fact that they made Ciel a girl and moved the whole setting to Japan iirc made me not watch it. And yes, if in the end it's revealed that Ciel is a girl which I don't buy since Yana was a BL mangaka before Kuro, I will sell all my Kuro manga volumes.
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>>154789116
The boat arc got animated
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>>154789391
Is it out in dvd already?
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>>154789116
They wouldn't do that. All the fujoshits like you would burn down there hq. Then again that would he fun to see
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>>154788034
India moved to touch him, which is a violation of the NAP. This is simply a justified response.
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>>154789626
I don't ship Ciel with Sebastian or any character so it's not for fujo reasons that I don't want him to be a girl but because that shit is cliche as fuck and I'm really invested with the twin boys theory.
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>>154789718
Also cute crossdressing boy >>>> tomboyish girl
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>>154787893
Is that the real Ciel back from the dead?
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>>154789626
I actually think that'd be interesting. But they should do it in the very end so they don't get bomb threats. It'll keep people talking for years
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>>154789718
How is that cliche? I have never seen that happen save for Manga where you knew the person was of the opposite gender since the beginning
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>>154787893
>>154788039
Oh boy. That's one hell of a teaser. But why would double Ciel come back right now ? What about Lizzie ? Why can't she come back ?
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>>154790268
Maybe she realized Ciel wasn't actually Ciel
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>>154789811
Or it might be Elizabeth or the Chinese guy.
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>>154790500
Yeah but why would she stay with shady blood scientists instead of her own family ? Maybe she helped true Ciel coming back
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>>154790537
Too short for Lau, and in Japanese the language is masculine
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>>154790566
Because the scientists are obviously being helped by the rogue shinigami, the one who just so happens to be experimenting with bringing dead people back to life and who also just so happens to have an interest in Ciel.
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>>154790758
HORRRRY SHIIIIIT IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE
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Kek I went to have a look over at black butler forum but why are the bitches over there still so fucking analpained over the 2Ciels theory. Like fucking hell it's been years and dozens and dozens of hints and they still whine about how it would be contrived and make no sense.
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>>154790923
Seriously ? I mean I only stumbled on this theory last year and it does explain a lot of shit, are they just dumb or do they have something to argue about ?
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>>154790758
Makes sense but would that kill the Lizzy/Ciel shippers or would they switch to shipping her with real Ciel?
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>>154790972
Asking the important questions, I see
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>>154790963
I don't know, I used to lurk the 2CT thread there at some point and the antis were really fucking retarded and I see that it hasn't changed.
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>>154791007
Always here to serve.
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>>154791039
Ok... Personally I was blown away when I read about this theory. I had seriously not suspected anything, except noted the weird memory about the dinner and the old fat guy. Holy shit I'm hype
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>>154790972
I'd still ship her with current Ciel as he's the one she's had 90% of her screentime with.
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>>154791179
Honestly most of the arguments still brought up in the current chapter thread can be fucking debunked by 'mistranslation'. Anyone who has the Nip volumes could see this coming from far away which is why it was well accepted in the Nip fandom. But in the Western tumblrland it's full of 'but he said 'one child' or similar shit. Like seriously, it's like they so fucking retarded they can't even understand the simple fact that you should never build an argument on a translation if there is some ambiguity.
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There's a lot of compelling evidence for the twin theory but something that bothers me is nobody ever mentions a sibling when talking about the past. Could just be lost in translation though
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Welp we┬┤re possibly heading to endgame stuff
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>>154791337
But he isn't the one she loves and current Ciel doesn't love her either.
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>>154791179
I don't wanna get my hopes up, but I haven't been hyped about this manga is such a long time
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>>154791507
Hey, she is pretty cute.

What anime is she from?
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>>154791446
There is 3 years of timelapse from the time of the sacrifice to the beginning of Kuro, meaning any discussion about the twin could have happened at some point during that time and of course the family and people around the current Ciel wouldn't keep mentioning his dead twin he lost in horrific circumstances so as to not remind him. But it's clear that at the very least Lizzie suspected something was off since a long time ago. That whole Easter egg chapter.
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>>154791446
>implying people will keep talking about someone's dead relative.
not really a topic you want to bring up often.
the author does not need to show them bring it up anyways.
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>>154791450
I'm glad if it means Kuro is gearing for its end. Being extended that much has hurt the plot quite a bit. But who knows if the magazine and publisher will want to let go of their cashcow that easily.
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>>154791672
"Hey Naruto was a pretty good manga, what is next?"
>"$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $"
"BORUTO!"
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>>154791672
Well the plot it not the only thing going for it. I enjoy the the supernatural investigations
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>>154791559
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>>154791492
whatever helps you sleep at night fujoshit
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>>154791803
Someone is mad.
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>>154791832
yea, you.
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>>154791492
>he isn't the one she loves
Why wouldn't he be ? He's the one who came back and stayed by her for all this time since then
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>>154791919
No I'm not. The theory I've been believing in for years is about to be confirmed. I feel pretty good. I will be mad if Yana chickens out though.
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Lizzie is an annoying Mary Sue, if current Ciel really needs a waifu then I vote for the cute witch.
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>>154791337
Ciel x Sullivan is OTP
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>thread starts about the plot and characters
>devolves into waifufaggotry and shipperfaggotry non sense
Well time to exit I guess
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>>154792197
Spiderloli is the best character addition since Soma
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>>154792197
Patrician taste.
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>>154787893
After it being teased for so long I'm glad I don't find how it's being revealed underwhelming.
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>>154788851
>>154789019
Supported by his " I'm not worth protecting. Not me... not just me... rather than me, it should be..." breakdown in 92. He has survivors guilt and so is living the life his brother should've lived
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>>154792308
Agreed, and she came with an interesting butler just as Soma. What will Agni do now? I think he'll blame Ciel.
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>>154787893
Holy shit, I'm excited about the next chapter.
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Waiting for the DVDs to come out. Any day. Movie.
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>>154788421
>There is a lot of evidence.
There was a lot of evidence in the manga but I think the anime has been tipped off as well. That scene where Vincent meets Baron Kelvin makes it seem like there are 2 Ciels. One greets him friendly one and the other is shy and hiding.
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>>154798065
yeah, but when ciel has the manga flashback it pretty much gets confirmed. there are two distinct sets of wounds and shirt-conditions
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>>154790923
So what is their explanation for Ciels flashbacks? What about Sebastian laughing and calling him a liar when he said his name was Ciel? I honestly thought 2 Ciel was confirmed by now.

The only way 2 Ciel theory would not be true if it's some sort of red herring and Yana is a huge troll, which is also totally possible.
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>>154791446
Probably because Ciel is such an edgy little shit that would get triggered by any mention of dead relatives. He barely lets anyone talk about his parents. Tanaka probably knows more than he's letting on and Lizzy thinks it's her Ciel that survived.
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>>154798445
>kid got kidnapped, tortured, raped and his parents were murdered
>can't handle talking about his parents as a result
>edgy
come on , anon
ciel might be edgy, but for other reasons, not for this one
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>>154798495
He's allowed to be edgy since he's gonna get eaten by a demon, but you have to admit he's still pretty shitty towards people who love him and consider him a friend.
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>>154798595
Yes and that's edgy about it. As well as the fact that he's a murderous cruel little shit.

These are edgy facts about him.
Not that he can't talk about his parents.
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>>154788149
In this day and age you can't finish a fujobait series without an idol arc.
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>>154790040
Fruits Basket all over again, make all the fourteen year old weeab fujos rage for years.
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>>154787893
>fucking 2 ciel's confirmed
>Real!Ciel is probably back from the dead via that super shinigami's fuckery, probably as a zombie kid or some equally edgy shit
>he will probably be the good one that doesn't feel like constantly being an asshole
fucking yes!
i hope to god Real!Ciel slaps our Ciel's shit for being an edgy little fuck.
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Did anyone like Glass no Hitomi?
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>>154798595
>but you have to admit he's still pretty shitty towards people who love him and consider him a friend.

He has to be really. This chapter tells us he's afraid of growing close to people, and it's pretty obvious why. The instant Ciel grows too happy and content with his life, then the bargain is over and Sebastion will consume his soul.
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>>154788227
How can it be double Ciel, though? I think Agni looking at the photo is a red herring. The whole point is of this plot is that the real Ciel was literally sacrificed to summon Sebastion.

And from the way Soma was talking it really didn't seem like he was talking to Ciel, more like someone that he hadn't seen in a while.
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>>154791672
>Being extended that much has hurt the plot quite a bit.

Not really, I think it's been moving along quite well. I enjoy the somewhat episodic nature of it.
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>>154787893
What time period is BB set on? It's crazy when I realized the latest arc is about people finding out blood types for the first time. Makes me reread the whole thing again.
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>>154805150
Late Victorian Era. Remember that Queen Victoria is an actual character in the series?
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>>154805318
Eh it is a manga. I just assumed the autho wanted to name the queen Victoria since it's british enough name. Like Sebastian is a butler.
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>>154805150
>>154805318
It was retcon'd halfway along the story. At the beginning there were scenes where Ciel receiving a video game as present and Italian mafia with cellphones.
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>>154789116
I liked the live action movie though. Ciel should have been a girl.
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>>154805458
No, it's still the Victorian Era, it just isn't true to the time and will do anything anachronistic for style.

And Victoria is still a reoccurring minor character considering she is culpit behind the Murder Mystery Arc, which was a big Time Out punishment against Ciel, the one who ordered Ciel to go to Hogwarts and the reason she sent out Ciel to get the Green Witch is to get the information for the mustard gass. It was pretty obvious from the jump that it isn't going to be a serious, well researched series when they have Ciel dressed in modern gothic clothing although they haven't done something outrageous as the video game, TV and the car phone since the first arc if you don't want to court the Idolshit Arc.
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>>154805396
Anon, it's specifically set in the late 1880s. Queen Victoria looks like the actual Queen Victoria if you have seen the pictures of her in her later years.
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>>154805458
The ruling class and underworld world always have better tech.
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>>154790537
Chinese guy would never turn traitor
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This manga is such a fucking blueball, nothing ever happens.
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Oh did the plot finally fucking move?
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>>154804863
Thanks for being one of the few non retarded people who understand why Ciel is behaving the way he does. He is definitely not a saint but it's not like he has any other choice.
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>>154808764
Lau best boy and anyway the person in the panel looks too short to be him, can't be Lizzie because the speaking pattern in Nip is masculine. Could be Bravart or whatever this arc villain is called but then Soma's reaction to seeing him doesn't make sense. It's definitely someone he knows.
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>>154798355
I hope it's all just a red herring, I'd hate for something so obvious to be true.
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>>154811772
I never took that theory seriously until the chapter.
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>>154811772
>>154811990
That would be quite the long running red herring. I mean, we have been given clues about the 2CT since the very first chapters of Kuro. Only Western fans didn't start to get it until much later because of mistranslation.
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While two ciels is pretty much confirmed, I doubt it was 2nd ciel -or even our ciel- that appeared at the door.

Heck, most likely, the other ciel is dead and was sacrificed for sebastian's summoning.

At the door is most likely lizzie.

My only fear is agni will actually die and we won't see any development with regard to the photo he found.
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>>154812884
I agree that it might not be real Ciel in that scene but it can't be Lizzie because the character uses masculine way of speaking in the Japanese version.
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>>154813060
so, either our ciel (I insist that the real ciel is dead), or what my first thought was, purple sirius blood-drained guy
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>>154813118
Why would Violet want to shoot Soma?
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>>154813118
Violet was in Sebastian's arms a few panels ago and completely comatose.
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>>154813691
>>154813764
it was all a ruse
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>>154813789
Fuck off back to bbforum. I'm fucking tired of dealing with retards like you. This is why despite reading the manga since 2009, I've never once joined the fandom.
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>>154813060
It probably isn't our Ciel in that scene because the carriage that arrived wasn't the same one that they left in.
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>>154813833
I'm just counting the possibilities.
Our Ciel wouldn't shoot soma. He could point a gun, but wouldn't shoot.
Other ciel is dead and sacrificed for sebastian.
It's not lizzie because masculine pronoun.

It's someone soma knows (this cuts down a lot) and has to be somewhat involved in this arc too.

Who the fuck is left?
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>>154814012
Also has to be shorter than Soma too.
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>>154788633
Looking back now, I wish he was a reverse-trap all along.
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>>154788039
I feel like his reaction is too serious for it to have just been a picture of the two Ciels.
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>>154814012
>Other ciel is dead and sacrificed for sebastian.
Fuck off. If you followed this manga instead of fapping to Alois, you would have heard about Undertaker and his bizarre dolls and see the numerous clues about real Ciel maybe being still 'alive' in some form during this arc.
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>>154814168
No thank you, it was shitty enough when it was in Fruits Basket, I don't want to deal with a shota was a loli reveal. Anyway that theory is retarded: Sullivan touched current Ciel's goods during the Witch arc and he is definitely a boy.
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>twins in manga
>one always dies off so the other can live
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>>154814336
>projections and assumptions
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>>154814012
>Other ciel is dead
Dead can come back in this manga
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>>154815274
As zombies.
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>>154815301
It was just to improve the process in order to make true ciel come back so Shinigami senpai could fuck him
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>>154815353
The zombie arc wasn't that long ago, would they really be able to improve them that much, to the point it can pass as a real human, in that amount of time?
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>>154815410
The teacher was a zombie during the School arc and he behaved completely normally, except for tripping on stairs
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>>154815353
yeah, I somehow doubt all the improvements were finished offscreen and trueciel came back like this.

Except if he kills both soma and agni and we don't see who killed them, ourciel finds them dead and the mystery is left unsolved for some time.

Then it could have been trueciel-rezzed. But if we see next chapter, it's not him. Too out-of-the-blue for such an important development.
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>>154815451
See>>154815433
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>>154815433
Still not always successful since that guy that was related to the queen only managed one sentence before trying to bite someone.
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>>154815761
The formula was still unstable yes, but definitely better than the zombies on the ship
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>>154815805
And that was a couple arcs ago. Clearly they are getting better. It's obviously soulless real Ciel
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>>154815832
>obviously
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>>154815976
Obviously
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>>154815976
>shit hero academia
Why am I not surprised
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>>154816049
Obviously is too strong a claim. I'm not saying it can't be, but thinking it's the only logical possibility is too much.

>>154816093
shush, it's a good reaction image
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>>154816365
It's someone who
> Is short
> Is male
> Soma knows, but who doesn't know Soma in return
> Is high aristocracy (would kill someone because they got touched)
> Has some sort of connection to Ciel
> We know/know about (otherwise, why hid it?)

Yes, obviously
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>>154816560
>is short
No, just that is shorter than Soma.
>who doesn't know Soma in return
Not necessarily, just someone who doesn't consider Soma a friend.
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>>154788149
It's like the only monthly manga that actually publishes monthly. No hiatuses, no delays, just a chapter per month.
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>>154816604
He IS short, Soma is already hunched over and the angle of the gun still suggests someone who is a lot shorter than that height. Look again >>154787893

And the difference in the second one is irrelevant. There's still no-one else that fits the criteria.
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>>154816704
Violet, the blood-drained ruse boy.
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>>154790972
Why would they switch to shipping her with the real Ciel when the current Ciel is the one she's in love with?
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>>154799096
I doubt that. There's no way Undertaker has managed to bring back Real!Ciel's soul, since it was used as payment for Sebastian.

So we're most likely about to see the evil version of Real!Ciel.
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>>154816846
>He is the one she's in love with
He isn't though. If anything this arc leads us to believe that she joined that cult to be near the real Ciel, her real fiance. There is that tumblr blog run by a Nip where they put a lot of clues and theories and basically there have been several instances this arc where the Ciel we saw (like the scene with Undertaker) was actually the real one and not our Ciel.
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>>154816924
Wait, wait.

What the fuck has the blood cult to do with Undertaker's experiments? Why would being in the cult would bring her close to real!Ciel?
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We are getting closer to the truth boys.
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>>154799096
> uses ! unironically on /a/
>calls a deeply traumatized 13 years old boy who is going to be eaten by a demon and has no choice but to be tough 24/7 edgy
Consider sudoku.
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>>154816962
Again, I'm tired of dealing with retards. If you can't see the writing on the wall, just let yourself be treated like the retard you are until the reveal.
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>>154816964
Vincent was such a hot piece of ass, much better than that boring copy Sebastian. Truly a shame his body was completely burnt.
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>>154787893
Is Indian-fu a trap? Because "she" looks like a trap
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>>154816924
Yeah, it's obvious Lizzy is with the cult because she feels she has to help the real ciel. Doesn't mean her feelings for the current Ciel have gone away, though. She's miserable for a reason.

Anyway, there's no point in shipping Lizzy with the real Ciel because he's dead anyway. Whatever it is that's around right now isn't who he used to be. Probably just a Bizarre Doll.
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>>154816924
>there have been several instances this arc where the Ciel we saw (like the scene with Undertaker)
What ? Which scene ? Link to the blog please ?
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>>154817057
If you consider the boy in OP trap material, congratulations, you have reached the end of your journey as an anon and are now a full blown homosexual.
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>>154816921
I'm guessing he was resurrected using Lizzy's memories of him as a replacement for his original film reel stuff. Which will result in a scewed version of his character based on her interactions with him and blending the old and current one together.
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>>154817083
So you're saying that IS a male?
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>>154817076
I can't be bother to track down the scene and post but here you go:
http://akumadeenglish.tumblr.com/tagged/2CT/
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>>154816962
It was mentioned multiple times that the technology they're using is decades too advanced for the time period and they must be receiving supernatural assistance from somewhere. Kind of like the zombie guy had advanced technology well ahead of the time...
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>>154817094
That's actually an interesting idea. I hadn't thought about that.

But if that were the case, why would he put a gun to Soma's head? The real Ciel was basically a rain of sunshine and there's no way our Ciel would do that, either.
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>>154817140
Thanks
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>>154817256
>The real Ciel was basically a rain of sunshine and there's no way our Ciel would do that, either.
Being tortured for a month and who knows what else and then brutally murdered would change even the purest most innocent soul quite a bit, don't you think?
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>>154817256
Because he's an unstable mishmash based on her interactions with the two. This past chapter was basically all about how he's a cool bastard who puts on a face and doesn't let others get close, which Lizzy is aware of too.

This is all just speculation of course.
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>>154817140
Found it. It's chapter 108
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>>154817385
Yeah, I was doubting it being real ciel, but this, combined with >>154817147
makes the options too narrow.
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>>154817338
Obviously. But Lizzy would have no way to know about it, so that would rule out the possibility of this Ciel being based on her memories of him.

Moreover, if that month really is influencing real Ciel's behavior, then that means Undertaker must have found a way to actually get back a piece of real Ciel's soul, however small it may be.
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>>154817501
Why would undertaker do all that ? Does he want that boipussy or is there something else ?
Is he Vincent ?
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>>154817501
> that would rule out the possibility of this Ciel being based on her memories of him.
That theory is retarded anyway. Who the hell wants a Ciel that is actually a doll with Lizzie memories.

>that means Undertaker must have found a way to actually get back a piece of real Ciel's soul, however small it may be.
That's what I believe. Actually I don't think real Ciel's soul was eaten or Sebastian wouldn't be still so hungry. I just think he was killed thus summoning the demon and then UT found a way to revive him. Soul still there.
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>>154817548
There is a theory that UT is Vincen't father. For sure he has some history with Ciel's grandmother.
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>>154817638
When Grell saw UT, it was implied he left the shinigami long ago. Wouldn't make much sense with Ciel's daddy dying -and potentially becoming a shinigami afterwards- only a few years ago.
Also, wasn't UT shown with Vincent in Vincent's old group?
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>>154818082
>Wouldn't make much sense with Ciel's daddy dying -and potentially becoming a shinigami afterwards- only a few years ago.
How so? I fail to see how any of the points you brought wouldn't work with UT being Vincent's dad. Just because he is potentially hundreds years old, doesn't mean he can't have fucked a human woman at some point. Also a shinigami isn't an all powerful god so even he couldn't stop the Phantomhive from getting killed but he sure could try to revive them. Anyway, I read that theory a while ago, don't remember where but it's not completely ridiculous. Also there is the fact that iirc parts of the family tree of Vincent is hidden. Same family tree where you can see 2 branches coming out of the union of Vincent and Rachel, meaning 2 children.
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>>154818235
We still saw UT with vincent, in a flashback.
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>>154818407
And?
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Is this manga finally ending?
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>>154818470
How is UT Vincent if we saw them together as two separate persons?
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>>154818589
He's moving very fast
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>>154818589
Are you retarded? Can't you even read a simple post? Where did I say Vincent is UT. I said UT may be Vincent's dad, Ciel's grandfather.
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>>154818752
My apologies, I'm blind, apparently.
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