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Will they win their ineditable battle against the main party?

Could the elf solo them?
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>>154767696
they'd get rekt by some low level monsters again again like the dumb fucks they are.
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>>154767696
It will be cooking competition
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>>154767696
New chpter or old? I don't remember this scene.
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>>154768090
came out a couple days ago
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>>154768156
Damn, guess I missed it. Thanks.
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Is the halfling a girl or a boy with ponytail? This is important.
It will make it easier for me to imagine what he/she does with the beastman.
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>>154768363
I choose to believe the halfling is a girl.
Plus it's the most and only female-looking one from the Halfling Lineup.
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Would you consider Kabru as edgy?
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>>154767696
she has a name, don't call her the elf.
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The main party:
Red Dragon mage
Red Dragon mage's brother who eats anything, even metal
Dwarf with an adamantium shield and mithril weapon
Dark elf with a 180° vision

This party:
6 dead people from various job class

Do the math
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>>154768426
>Killing monsters.
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Bitchy mage is such a qt holy shit.
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>>154767696
I don't care about the battle, I just want to see their reaction when they see that the main cast eats monsters and when they have to eat monsters too because they are hungry tired and injured.
Especially the halfling and the mage
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>>154768422
I think elfs are an all female race and halflings an all male race.
they probably reproduce with each other
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>>154768644
Third elf is (male)
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>>154768531
Yet they jobbed against a single female elf(male) teenager
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>>154767696
Why are we following McEdge and his team of jobbers?
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>>154768868
He's a nice guy, he's just seen some shit.
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>>154768868
Don't you like to know where your food comes from?
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>>154768426
Not really. Killing those fucks was a good thing.
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>>154768422
That old female gnome looks like an old actor whose name I forgot
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>>154768426
Yes, he is bad as them too

>Waah someone stole my food
>Lets kill these guys and steal their food!

I cant wait for the page where Laius drives his sword through him
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>>154768693
We don't know anything about that.
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>>154769165
We know

Author refers to her as (male), every manga needs a trap
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>>154769837
>Author refers to her as (male)
Where? Must have missed that.
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>>154768531
Still waiting for cat girl from the one shot to join.
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>>154768422
is pointedness of the ears a sign of beauty among elfs?
LIke how we think that big ose is uglier than a straight nose for instance.
Or of noble descent, of coming from the high elfs or things like that?
Beause the smug bitsh on the left has the pointiest ears of all and hers curve downwards instead of upwards like the plebs to her right
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>>154769903
Im not sure if its just translator but in painting arc
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>>154767696
>Will they win their ineditable battle against the main party?
They died like 10 floors above the heroes...twice, there is no way they can beat them

>Could the elf solo them?
I don't think so
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>>154770358
Marcille imagines her idealized self to look like this. Though she would need to lose a lot of weight on these fat ears.
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>>154770483
I think we talked about this and the japanese original text was gender neutral, as it tends to be.
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>>154768422
Tell me /a/ what is is she thinking and why is it so funny?
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>>154768891
>Nice guy
>Dispose their bodies in a way they won't find and will be not able to get resurrected, thus tormenting their spirits so long until the dungeon is dungeoning anymore
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>>154770605
So? They were criminals.
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>>154770605
If he let them live, no guarantee they won't stalk them on the party way back or later and kill the party by proxy again for cash.

If he kill them, he could be ressurected and try to take revenge or do the same kill by proxy again for cash.

If he kill and destroy the body... problem solved.
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>>154770529
the things I'd do to those ears
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>>154770604
She sees your dick.
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>>154770604
That /tg/ having major issue with kabru killing the stalking resurrecter party.

Surprisingly, it's full of moralfags
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>>154770682
>>154770698
>leaving the souls of the dead criminals to endlessly wander the dungeon as ghosts and possibly killing even more people
Totally justified.
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>>154770529
This elf likes to embellish her stories.
And we'll never know the truth, the only other witness is always absent.
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>>154770846
Pic related
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>>154770605
Go back to /co/ capefag
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>>154770768
>Moralfag

Im a pragmantist. He could have earned a small fortune by killing them AND then bringing up the corpses if he was afraid of a backstab.

There is no logic behind his actions
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>>154770698
He could've stashed their body somewhere hidden if they're still going deeper into the dungeon, and when they get back they can haul their bodies back to the surface and turn them in for a nice bounty.
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>>154770768
Indeed, its rather shameful
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>>154770880
Those guys deserved a complete death but I prefer to let the hangman earn his pay. They are criminals and their actions endanger the future of the dungeons completion, death a fitting punishment, just a matter of how many times and who makes it stick.
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>>154770846
Usually we can trust a mangaka on not lying to us.
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>>154770808
Obviously? They were thieves and murderers and the only reason they didn't do the same was they could get more money out of resurrecting people, hopefully to get them killed again.
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>>154770742
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Can elves use their ears as dildos?
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>>154771047
>>154771006
>>154770916
Its not murder if you resurrect the other party
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>>154771101
It certainly is murder. It's also theft if you return the object afterwards, especially if you collect a reward for it.
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>>154770529
so pointy ears are a sign of beauty among elfs.
Good to know. And fat and round ears is probably what kid say to bully other kids.
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>>154771194
It is still up in the air how much of that image is just a reference to old manga styles and how much is actually the elven ideal of beauty.
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>>154770881
>>154770916
>He could have earned a small fortune by killing them AND then bringing up the corpses

See, you are the ones thinking with an evil purpose. You want him to kill them for personal gain. But he's not interested in that. He killed them for justice, for the sake of everyone else.
His methods may be a bit extreme, but he's working for the greater good.
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>>154771291
>Evil purpose

Theres nothing evil about killing a criminal and making a buck while getting him resurrecred and jailed. Criminal gets a sentence based on the law and I make money which is a morally good option compared to "Criminal has to haunt and kill other adventurers for a small eternity"

There is no justice in his actions, hes a vigilante at best.
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>>154771291
>but he's working for the greater good
He should also learn to fight monsters so he can be more of a benefit to actually completing the dungeon. I think the main reason why I don't like Kabru is that for all his bravado he's still dying some really dumb deaths in this dungeon. And his party is so enamored with him they only think along his lines and not for himself. No way he'll ever actually complete it, he should just go to the governor and request to become some police force within the dungeon or go full bounty hunter.

Even Laius' group is more individually capable than Kabru's. It's basically Kabru, the Kobold, and the mage who are carrying that team, the rest are dead weight.
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>>154771101
it's not kidnapping if you release them afterwards. It's not assault if you bring them to the ER afterwards.
>and that is how the victim was beaten up. Does the defense have anything to say?
>Yes, the defendant can't be convicted because the injuries have already healed
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>>154771381
you think making money by killing people is morally justified. Your sense of morality is messed up.
Kabru didn't kill them because he wanted to, but because he had to.
>>154771401
heh, fair enough. You should judge one's action for wht they are though, not by other actions of that same person.
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>>154771476
Not that guy and I am a bit on the fence about it.
Murder is about ending a life, not about temporarily halting it - at least in our world.
I am not sure how a fictional world would define it. I remember Altered Carbon specifically differentiated between murder and REAL murder.
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>>154771522
>you think making money by killing people is morally justified.
What else do you think a sold is?
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>>154771522
>You should judge one's action for wht they are though
I don't like his actions though, or rather I don't like just dumping the bodies. Up until that point I was cool, but then he dumps the corpses and loots the bodies and I stop rooting for him.

His group's general uselessness just was the icing on the cake.
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>>154771476
Murder is about ending ones life, ergo the charges shouldnt be murder if you resurrect him. He should be punished but charges should be something akin to voluntary manslaughter.

>>154771522
Making money from killing people is morally justified, thats why soldiers and such exist. Kabru didnt even had to kill them, at least permamently.

And like I said, killing a criminal,resurrecting him isnt something bad. Its a move where no one loses, everyone gains something: society deals with a criminal, criminal lives his sentence in a prison instead of rotting in a ditch and the 3rd party gets cash
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>>154771381
>hes a vigilante at best.

eh, true, but then again, it's depend on whether the instrument of law in that particular region could be trusted.

So far we got the wealth loving governor where he is not evil but also not quite shown to be close to capable.

While Kabru should've give a chance for the law deal with them first, but if that fails, vigilante route it is.
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>>154771696
soldiers don't exist to kill people, they exist to defend the interest of their nation. Killing people ione of the main ways they do it, but they are aid the same regardless of how many people they kill if any.

>>154771696
>>154771549
he doesn't temporarily halt their life. he doesn't place in suspended anymation or somethign of the sort. He actually kills them. Then he uses means to revert that action, but the murder has already happened. How it's considered from a legal point of view depends heavily on the eexact wording of the law. I doubt real world laws make provisions for resurrection.
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>>154772013
>he doesn't place in suspended anymation or somethign of the sort.
In the real world, life is a process. While the brain is working, you are alive. When the brain stops working, the process called life is no more.
Killing somebody and bringing them back to the exact same state as before would count as temporarily halting their lives.

>I doubt real world laws make provisions for resurrection.
For a simple reason:
Resurrection is not real.
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>>154772013
>soldiers don't exist to kill people, they exist to defend the interest of their nation.
And disposing of criminals is in the interest of the nation.
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>>154772013
>Soldiers dont exist to kill people
Maybe in a peaceful western nation anon, for a good part of history and most of the nations soldiers do exist for killing. Its their original purpose, to loot and pillage.

Its just that war isnt as profitable as it used to be
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>>154772140
???
disposing of criminals is what kabru did. He didn't kill them to get money for himself, he did it for the interest of everyone.

>>154772108
no, it counts as killing them and then resurrecting them.
>resurrection is not real.
you're missing the point. I was replying to a post that said killing and resurrecting would not bring a sentence of murder in our world but of something like manslaughter. I said that it depends on how the law is worded exactly.
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>>154772108
What you are forgetting is that while the body is dead, the soul lingers on. And the soul is conscious to a degree so the person killed in the dungeon is not in stasis, they are now in another state of being that is being tormented because it is chained to their rotting corpse.

Suspended animation as you are trying to compare it to how death works in this series, would require for all consciousness, spiritual and physical, to be halted for it to count. As it is, people still die and there is just the caveat that if you find enough of them you can heal the damage and bring them back.

They still died though. And what Kabru did was murder since the remaining deaths happened outside the window actions that could be considered self defense.
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>>154772253
So it's a Jail for lifetime sentence.
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>>154772250
>disposing of criminals is what kabru did.
So what's wrong with getting paid for it?

>it counts as killing them and then resurrecting them.
Not mutually exclusive.

>you're missing the point.
No, you are. You are bringing up real world laws to discuss a matter with completely different circumstances.
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>>154772243
not quite. Killing was just the wasiest way to defeat an eemy. If they could capture them alive, maybe to sell them as slaves they were more than happy to do it. The act of killing itself was not what they existed for. Killing is the means by which they accomplish it.
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>>154772253
>the soul lingers on.
So that would make it even less of a murder and more of a (potentially temporary) disembodiment.

>Suspended animation as you are trying to compare it to how death works in this series
I wasn't comparing it to the series though. I specifically opened up with "[i]n the real world".
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>>154772338
you are confusing being part of an organization and being paid to enforce the peace even if it means killing someone and getting money from the act of killing itself, killing specifically in order to get money from it.

>>154772253
>>154772278
this would create some interesting scenarios where you can be condemned for multiple murders all for killing the same person multiple times.
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>>154772398
>Killing was a main way to accomplish an objective
Ergo they were paid to kill, they were paid to do a thing for their employer which was killing.

The killing itself wasnt the goal but the means of attaining it which means they were paid to use the main way of achieving a goal
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>>154772278
It's a prison in the magical sense yes. But I wouldnt characterize it as the kind of jail you use to shunt people like the the ressurection group into. This is a prison that has no sense of justice, everyone who dies inside the dungeon, or with a piece of the dungeon with them is bound to their mortal vessel. They will suffer no matter if they were just some noble minded adventurer, or some thieves on the run from the law.

Even the citizens of this kingdom are bound to the dungeon.

>>154772425
>So that would make it even less of a murder
If I kill someone by drowning them, then someone else comes along and performs CPR and they are revived did I kill anyone? Yes.
Just because you have the ability to bring someone back from the dead doesn't invalidate the actions that led to their deaths or the intent of the murderer.

>I wasn't comparing it to the series though
What you are trying to do is word the process of "temporarily halting" someones life to being the same as what heppens in the series correct? That sounds like you are saying that just because someone can turn the life switch "off" and later turn it back "on" with no gap in that person's consciousness that killing them isn't the same as murder.

I disagree and what you are describing is more akin to suspended animation than what really happens when a person's life functions cease and are later (and more quickly given how fast cells start to die in humans) resuscitated.
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>>154772504
no, they were paid to fight a battle. If they could win it without killing a single person they would have the same pay. In fact it was more advantageous for them to capture rather than kill because they could sell them as slaves and earn more money. They are not paid by the kill.
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>>154768422
>>154770358
>Beause the smug bitsh on the left has the pointiest ears of all
that's marsille's mom and i want to fuck her
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>>154772488
>killing specifically in order to get money from it.
Like making your paycheck with bounties.
Those are a real thing.
Sure the pay-out is slightly different in that you earn your money by taking the criminal down, while the discussed method is about earning the money by raising them again.
But raising people is not an inherently immoral act, so I don't see the problem.

If anything, they could get sued for killing them in the first place, but that doesn't seem to be your problem.
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>>154772488
>scenarios where you can be condemned for multiple murders all for killing the same person multiple times.

Considering the calmness of the resurrector party doing their shit, good chances are he done kill by proxy for profit before.

If he go to somesort of court, he could be sentenced for killing several party over and over again, while charging them for resurrection.

A resurrection scam, but since the victim could be very much could be alive. Is it murder?
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>>154772630
>They were paid to fight
So you admit that they were paid to kill? Soldiers try to be lethal as possible for a reason, to kill the bugger in front of them. Winning a battle is killing much as you can.

>theyre not paid by the kill
not true, in many societies soldiers advanced through ranks by having merit in a battle. Most common example are the romans
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>>154772598
>If I kill someone by drowning them,
Not the point.
If you kill somebody and they're gone, that's different from when you kill somebody and they linger on.
When you kill somebody and they might linger on but you make sure that their souls are doomed to suffer until the turn into vengeful spirits and they will never be raised again, that's total murder.

>What you are trying to do is word the process of "temporarily halting" someones life to being the same as what heppens in the series correct?
Wrong.

>That sounds like you are saying that just because someone [] turn[s] the life switch "off" and later turn[s] it back "on" with no gap in that person's consciousness
That counts as temporarily halting their lives.
>that killing them isn't the same as murder.
And that murder might need to be redefined in a universe where resurrection is so common that lots of people aren't scared of death at all.
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>>154772778
Basically the difference is Concensus.

If community deemed group a to be killable, then is not considered crime to kill group a in that community.
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>>154772685
bounties paid people for capturig people dead OR alive. And often paid more if you captured them alive. Again the point of them was not the killing but the removal of a threat from society.
And furthermore I don't see what point you're trying to make. I never said that killing for money doesn't exist, I said that it makes one evil.
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>>154772890
>bounties paid people for capturig people dead OR alive.
So they did pay you for killing them.

Just because you could also become a carpenter and never pick up a weapon in your life does not the negate the existence of an option whereby you pick a career that offers you regular use of a weapon.

>I said that it makes one evil.
But why, in a society where death is not permanent, unless you go to lengths to make sure that it is?
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>>154769165
Yes, we know, the dark elf is the sorcerer, he is a male.
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Reminder that they'll purge the filthy orcs.
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>>154773049
i read that Dark elf is refered in non gender pronoun and translators translate it as he.
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>>154772835
>Not the point.
Well since you cut off the second part of that sentence is no wonder you forgot what my point was. My point is if you kill somebody with the intention of ending their life and later on somebody can come by and resurrect them that is still murder.
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>>154773231
>Well since you cut off the second part of that sentence is no wonder you forgot what my point was.
Oh I did read it to the end. It just missed the point, so I only quoted the part that made it obvious.

>My point is if you kill somebody with the intention of ending their life and later on somebody can come by and resurrect them that is still murder.
And it missed the point that I made.
But on your new topic, I would say that it's a weaker murder.
I think we should just make a hierarchy.

Total murder tier:
>you completely erase somebody's existence
Murder tier:
>you put somebody into limbo and leave it up to chance if a third party moves them on to the afterlife
>you send somebody directly to the afterlife, with no chance of returning to life
Highly immoral/attempted murder tier
>you put somebody into a post-death experience, and leave it up to chance if a third party returns them back to life or to the afterlife.
Not real murder tier:
>you put somebody into a post-death experience and ensure that they will be returned to life at a later point
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>>154768615
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster."

>Farlyn became the [s]water[/s] monster
>Cabron's party wants to kill monsters

>>154768615
I'd laugh if they asked about the stolen treasures, and heard that Laius' party ate them
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>>154773009
they paid for removing the threat, not for the specific way they did it.

>>154773009
>in a society where death is not permanent,
causing pain to others is not permanent either, but you wouldn't consider one who causes pain or damange to others,without their consent, for personal gain as not evil, would you?
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>>154773566
>causing pain to others is not permanent either,
And it's not punished as severely as murder, for some reason.
Why do you think that is?
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>>154773161
I can imagine they referred to the sorcerer gender-neutrally when they still have not met.
But what about after they did?
And also during the portrait eating chapter?
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>>154773494
>>154773494
>It just missed the point,
then I don't know what your point is because I've addressed the idea that temporarily killing somebody is still killing somebody.

Whether or not you ensure that their Resurrection can occur is a separate matter.
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>>154774001
>then I don't know what your point is because I've addressed the idea that temporarily killing somebody is still killing somebody.
The point was that if we define life as your soul activity which continues even after the body dies in Dungeon Meshi, then life does not fully end with corporal death.
I was referring to >>154772253
>the soul is conscious to a degree so the person killed in the dungeon is not in stasis,
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>>154773623
because causing pain is not murder. Killing someone is
>>154773931
japanese has gender neutral pronouns, so it doesn't matter if they know or not
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Satisfying, disappointing and horrifying at the same time.
Why this did not happen during shampoo time is still a mystery, though.
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>>154772253
right or wrong, it could be said that what Cabron did was fair: he fought against the party that attempted to kill his own's, if he lost he would lose the remaining money (so, no rez money anymore).

It would be funny and/or dark if, on their way out and back again, they encountered the thieves' ghosts and got possessed (though this would probably mean that they don't get to meet Laius' party, which is more likely to happen, especially since the latter is also returning to the surface)
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>>154774265
>because causing pain is not murder.
What an empty statement. I hope you are proud of yourself.
Causing people pain is, unlike death, not expected to be a lasting condition. Persistence of symptoms usually results in increased punishment. You can quite literally walk it off.
If you can walk off death, then it stands to reason that punishment for inflicting it is lowered.
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>>154773130
if they don't, the elves will
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>>154774404
don't decontextualize my statements. My comparison with inflicting pain was in response to a pot that said killing someone is not evi if you can resurrect them. So I used somethign that is much lighter than death, something that you can literally walk off but would still be considered evil in order to make it apparent why killing would still be an evil act even if you can resurrect them afterwards.
And this is without accounting for psychological damage and the risk that resurrection dosn't work.
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>>154774550
well someone better genocide those disgusting orcs
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somehow I thought,
>samurai dude wants to rescue Farlyn
>doesn't rescue her at all (maybe he can still try it now)
>should Kab's party by chance encounter and fight Laius', and somehow have the upper hand (by larger numbers, more well equipped, more well fed, being more specialized against human-like opponents), that could be a good moment for him to show up and solo them
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>>154774658
>don't decontextualize my statements.
I didn't.

>My comparison with inflicting pain was in response to a pot
No, it was in response to >>154773623, which specifically asked why causing pain is not punished as severely as murder.

And causing pain is not always punished either. You are well in your right to cause pain in self-defense. Murder is defined as illegal. (Killing people is not, but that's a different story depending on local laws)
If you injure somebody while defending your life from him, and there is a law in your country that says that people have to pay a fee for being brought to the hospital, then it is not immoral to bring them to the hospital.
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>>154768422
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>>154775045
I'd rather nemari.
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>>154774173
That is my post you are quoting and i still Define death as when your bodily functions ceases. what happens to the soul afterwards is a unique phenomenon but it does not absolve somebody from having died first.

And following that logic you can still murder somebody even if you resurrect them later because you are ceasing their bodily functions of through malicious intent.
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>>154775111
That's why I suggested the hierarchy in >>154773494, hoping to spark a discussion.
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Oh wow I'm starting to wonder were you people are going with this.

If we discuss the morality of the events that transpire, the the Corpse hunter's would probably be on the evil side of the spectrum.

While their actions are not just plain evil, they selfish and get in the way f what is considered the greater good, dispelling the curse of the dungeon.

And killing someone to later revive them and make them pay you is still pretty evil in itself, is the equivalent of beating someone up and then taking their money, just that in this world it's legal depending on how you do it.

On the other hand while Kabru's actions were worse in the sense that he really kill the corpse hunters, but his end goal was to stop a threat to the greater good.

Put in another way the methods of the corpse hunters were more on the moral side(but still evil) compared to Kabru's, but their end goal can be considered evil since it gets in the way of the greater good just of personal gain.
On the other side we have Kabru whose methods are more immoral but his end goal is still the greater good.

Now if we talk about killing as evil.
Well it depends.
If someone kills an innocent person just because of their personal gain, that's evil.

On the other side if someone kills, let's say, a serial killer, not in self-defense, but because the murderer knows that the serial killer will kill again.
On that light killing won't be considered evil yes?
It could even be considered good at best and morally ambiguous at worst
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>>154774924
read the comment chain.
I first posted about pain in this post >>154773566
in reply to someone saying that murder wouldn't be evil with resurrection.
>>154774924
>You are well in your right to cause pain in self-defense
and you're in your right to kill in self defense to.And different types of murder are more or less harshly punished too.
For instance killing someone without intending to, killing someone intending to but on the spur of the moment, and killing someone after planning to carry different sentences, and the same goes for the motivation, killing someone because they raped and killed your elderly father is punished less harshly than killing someone because they beat you at a videogame.
So saying that murder with resurrection would be punished less harshly is fair, but it would still be murder.
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>>154775173
i think it can be more aptly compared to breaking somebody's computer or car or any appliance, knowing that it can later be repaired. Especially since we know that sometimes resurrection can fail
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>>154775194
>you're in your right to kill in self defense to.
That is really up to circumstance and local law. You shouldn't make a broad statement like that.
>For instance killing someone without intending to,
Is not murder.
>Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought.
The malice aforethought is legally required, and only in the common usage of the word is it not a requirement.
>So saying that murder with resurrection would be punished less harshly is fair, but it would still be murder.
My argument is that we are basically lacking vocabulary.
All our terms in regards to death assume that death is final.
We have words like resurrection, but it's all about having your cake and eating it too.
Our language just like our legal system is inadequate for discussion a fictional universe where the afterlife has a revolving door.
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>>154775341
Nah there's a difference between damage to a person and damage to property, since it has the trauma and damage to the psyche of the person into account as well.
Hell some legal cases are based solely on the "This person did something harmful to my mental state" premise.
You know, sticks and stones may break your bones, but words leave a psychological wounds that will linger for years.
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>>154775545
I meant in how the fact that they can be revived influences how we judge the act of killing
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So after all is said and done, do you personally like Kabru and his party?

I hope the author is planning something big for them, otherwise they're just a waste of time when I'd rather see what Laius' party is up to.
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>>154775998
I felt this series needed some goblin slayer-ness so I'm happy about it
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>>154775998
I like them, except for the furry shit
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>>154775998
>do you personally like Kabru and his party?
no, they are shit
i'd rather see the other newbie party
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>>154771243
Not old, shojo.
That kind of art style can still be found nowdays.
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>>154775398
>That is really up to circumstance and local law. You shouldn't make a broad statement like that
Laws don't create rights, they can simply state them.
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>>154775616
Oh well, try to look at it this way.
Let's say that we have person A and person B.
A has a knife and stabs B.
Then A runs away leaving B bleeding.
On this kind of situation B will probably die and A is aware of this, however he can't b sure of that B could be saved by chance.

Now this kind of scenario is very similar to what we have here, if someone kills another person and leaves them there then it's up to chance if said person is revived or not.

Now that we have something to make a kind of comparation let's try to judge te case.

Is it murder?
Well person A didn't saw if person B died.
So from his perspective it's imposible at the moment.
It depends on whether person B was saved or not.
In other words who know?
Until there's proof of person's B state you can't count it or discount it as murder.

Is it moral?
Depends on the intent, if person A was doing it on self-defense then yes.
If A wanted o kill B in cold blood then it depends on the reason for this:

Was it out of anger and unjustified?
It's amoral then

Was it to prevent others from being harm?
Then it depends on the people involved.

If there's money involved it also revolves around the previous statements to an extent.

But you get the idea.
Even though it's murder, under the assmuption that people can be revived then it's more akin to fatally wound someone.
And if we talk about punishment, that depends on the intent and reason of the actions.

What the corpse hunters did was similar to A calling an ambulance for B.
What Kabrus did was like finishing B.
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>>154776358
To be within one's rights means you are morally or legally entitled to do something.
As such, "That is really up to circumstance and local law." is a perfectly valid response.
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>>154776429
>Now this kind of scenario is very similar to what we have here,
Except that the knife victim is also a subject to urgency. If he isn't saved before he bleeds out, he's gone.
Resurrection has a time limit too, but it's much more forgiving.
If it's a reasonably well frequented place and the corpses are in plain view, then the odds of no one turning up in time are practically nil.
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>>154776467
The legality of an act is not always equal to the morality of an act.
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>>154776689
You didn't notice the word "circumstance" even the second time you read the line?
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>>154776467
Rights are absolute. If you believe that you have the right to defend yourself then that's that. If a law states otherwise, you don't loose that right, your rights are being oppressed.
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>>154776734
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/within-ones-rights
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/within+rights
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>>154776131
They are already eaten by plants.
No more cutie for us.
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>>154776974
it's on the upper levels, someone rescued them
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>>154776757
>siting a turn of phrase
What?
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>>154777013
Stay on topic.
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>>154776688
Yeah but the point isn't in the probablity of the victim would be saved or not.
I didn't specify about how deep the wound was, how much time the victim had, or if the place in question was frequented by a lot of people or near a hospital.
My point was "you can't be completely sure if they will make it out of there alive or not.

The rest was to just judge the actions of the perpetrator based on the circumstances.
Or to question if it was murder or not.
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>>154777278
>My point was "you can't be completely sure if they will make it out of there alive or not.
And you cannot be completely sure if the person who is crossing the road in front of your car won't stumble and fall right underneath your wheels.
There are certain chances life forces on you.
Some are bigger than others, admittedly. But that's precisely the thing.
If you can reasonably assume that somebody will find the corpse where you left it, you have lived up to your moral obligations.
The law might see it differently, but then the law might just state that the mortal remains of the deceased be left on a major road on the levels 1 to 4 or on any road on the levels 1-2, in which case the main party would have broken the law when they strung up those corpses for better visibility.
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>>154775998
I don't really. Cabron seems to be a drama device, and this series hasn't been really drama heavy, so it feels out of place. Would love to see lvl. 50 Laius PvE build vs Cabron lvl 25 PvP build go head to head. Laius would manhandle him.
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Which Dungeon Meshi creature/character/scene are you most excited to see animated in the inevitable anime?

I'm curious about what sort of voice they'll give Chilchack. He's tiny and his age was initially ambiguous but he's very much a grown man.
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>>154768426
Lawful Evil or maybe even Neutral Evil.
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>>154768644
>lesbo-supermodel elf sex
>gay shota sex
Don't know if want.
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>>154769092
>I cant wait for the page where Laius drives his sword through him
edgy
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>>154782353
Edgy would be cutting him.
Driving the sword through him is pointy.
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>>154774376
>right or wrong, it could be said that what Cabron did was fair: he fought against the party that attempted to kill his own's, if he lost he would lose the remaining money (so, no rez money anymore).
Cabron massacred a whole group, some of which surrendered. Then he did a 180 and denies his party the loot. In fact, you could say he was all about hurting others, no matter his own gain. This means Chaotic Evil.
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>>154775998
>So after all is said and done, do you personally like Kabru and his party?
No.
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>>154782541
>This means Chaotic Evil.
No, it doesn't.
Chaotic means that you have no underlying principles or laws behind your actions.
Refusing to loot because that would be wrong means that he is not chaotic.
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>>154777025
You ain't my real mom!
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>>154768422
Do halfling/dwarf races correspond to human races, I wonder?

For example Senshi comes from the same geographic location as the black-haired light-skinned humans
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>>154768426
I think he was justified in killing everyone except the old surrendering man
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>>154782731
>Chaotic means that you have no underlying principles or laws behind your actions.
Neutral Evil: "I'll do what's best for me, fuck everyone else."
Lawful Evil: "Rules are important but meant to be bent."
Chaotic Evil: "I want others to suffer even if it hurts me."
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>You'll never have your own Chilchack

why even live? ;_;
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>>154784629
>Neutral Evil: "I'll do what's best for me, fuck everyone else."
>Lawful Evil: "Rules are important but meant to be bent."
>Chaotic Evil: "I want others to suffer even if it hurts me."
Not quite.
Lawful means that you have a personal ethos. It does not mean you follow the official laws.
A lawful good paladin will not support a vile king as he oppresses his people. Instead, a lawful good paladin will aim to install a good king or at least to improve the law.
A lawful evil villain is honorable. They probably won't go back on their word.
Chaotic means, you do not believe in anything that hinders your freedom.

And evil doesn't mean you relish in making others suffer, although people that enjoy making others suffer would be described as evil.
Evil in DnD terms is that you would make others suffer without second thought.
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>>154785042
then why is drizzt chaotic good
check, m8
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>>154785194
I didn't read the books so I can't say much about Drizzt, but people often have trouble aligning their alignment with their actions, especially since they have to pick an alignment before they get to see their characters in action.
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>>154782541
>>154782731
>>154784629
>>154785042
>>154785194
For fucks sake, stop applying D&D alignment for ANYTHING.
Alignments are stupid and managed to derail tg threads anytime it's mentioned.
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>>154785484
That sounds like something a lawful neutral person would say.
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>>154785484
Derailing threads is fun, it increases the bulk of topic material.
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>>154785484
>Being a moral fag
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>>154781680
I can see the Doujinshi already.
I want it now.
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>>154775998
>So after all is said and done, do you personally like Kabru and his party?

No, but I acknowledge the alternate perspective /chances for exposition their existence has given us.
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I hate nerds that can't understand the nuances of morality without viewing them through the facile alignment system of Dungeons and fucking Dragons.
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>>154785484
>not wanting to argue about dumb nerd shit

why are you here?
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>>154775045
no, but i'd fuck that red haired one that used to be in the main party.
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>>154767696
Senshi will wreck them after another remark about how dungeons and monsters are unnatural and it'll be setup for the reveal of his backstory.
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>>154769048
Helen Mirren? Judy dench? Maggie Smith? Betty White?
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Why is 90% of the fanart Marcille when Laius and Senshi are much better characters, and more prominent in the story too?
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>>154788508
Because Marcille is cute! CUUUUTE!!!
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>>154788508
Knifeear conspiracy
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>>154788508
Most of the people drawing DM fanart are not necessarily fans of the manga or even just familiar with the characters, they just draw random cute girls
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>>154788508
Because Dungeon Meshi wouldn't be half as successful without the cute elf.
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>>154789033
this
no one would read dungeon meshi without marsille
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>>154788508
She's pretty fun.
And her character development and revelations later on are a bit interesting as well.
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>>154789161
Noted.
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i wonder if marsille's mom will ever appear again
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Do you think anyone will join the main party for endgame proper?
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>>154791688
I'm hoping for an orc that gets lured over with delicious food.
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>>154791688
monstergirl from the prototype comic
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>>154791688
Sister of the orc chief, I think the orcs will be important because they're the only properly "sentient" monsters so far. Also it'd be cool to subvert fantasy cliches and have some of them be genuinely heroic.
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>>154770358
>>154770529
It's just the standard of beauty for elves the japanese have. Anything that doesn't look like Deedlit is considered ugly.

It's one of the reasons why modding Skyrim from the japanese side involved so much fixing the faces.
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>>154792254
>is considered ugly.
It's not so much ugly as it is Japanese goblin.
And a paper-thin excuse to post this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc8iu0XFUQc
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>>154788312
What might Senshi's backstory even be? Was he exiled from the dwarf community?
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>>154782284
it meant elfs reproduce with halflings. Sons will be halflings and daughters will be elfs
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>Marcille

She looks like Mochi

What does mochi taste like?
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>>154788312
speaking of Senshi, this reminds me that being well fed might be a reason why Laius' party could have an advantage over Kabru's, should they meet and fight each other in the dungeon's lower levels (instead of the upper levels and the surface, where both parties are going to atm). Being malnourished was the reason why Laius' party lost against the dragon, the first time. Also, the deeper Laius' party goes, the more difficult it should be for Kabru's to reach them (if the kobold somehow didn't find them in the surface or on the party's way up there), especially if Laius' party has to walk over water again.
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>>154776131
>Newbie warrior with elf waifu

They're perfect
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>>154788508
(despite her initial over reliance on theorical knowledge,) Marcille would be the sane person, in contrast with the monster otaku (Laius) and cuisine otaku (Senshi), seeing her charisma breaks is part of her charm
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>>154794133
Chilchack is the sane person though
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>That Meshi doujin where Marcille puts on the SUCC armor
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>>154792718
Human flesh, probably.
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>>154788508
Because anime fans like drawing who they want to fuck and Marcille is cute.

I'd love more fanart of Laius or Chilchack, let alone minor characters like Namari or Kaka or Kiki, but I appreciate horny Marcille fanboys keeping this exceptional comic in the financial black.
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>>154796083
Marcille is best girl, but Senshi is WAY more fuckable.
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So how long until elven/human flesh will be on the menu?
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>>154796146
They're getting there, just a little more desperation
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>>154796141
Farlyn > Marcille

I'm not sure if Marcille is even among top 3 best DM Girls, honestly
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>>154796146
They didn't even eat orcs, so never.
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>>154796141
I'm a Chilchack fan myself. He does get a decent amount of fanart considering that the series hasn't really taken off yet outside of Japan, so I'm pleased.
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>>154796273
Farlyn is only good in so far as she is interacting with Marcille or her brother.
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>>154796489
I mean, we haven't really seen her outside of those contexts besides scenes that exist to show how she's very good at magic. I'd love to see more Farlyn development; maybe we'll see more of her inner life as they work out this dragon soul mix deal.
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>>154767696
>Could the elf solo them?


elf managed to block an attack form the series big bad, their mage got taken out by dungeon cockroaches and a bipedal fish with a pointy stick.


fuck me why do they suck so much?
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>>154797977
Marcille could easily solo them.

And Kabru's party aren't inept, just very very stupid. Which I guess is the same thing in the end. Seriously, who thought that it would be a good idea to remove your sense of hearing while treading across enemy territory?
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>>154798109
>>154797977
>why do they suck so much?

Kabru crew is actually pretty skill, but unfortunate for them, Laius crew is actually one of the great one.

When the bar lady state that there are big group splitting up the image shows that they refer to Laius group. Even the Gnome scholar acknowledge them.

The most fatal thing is Kabru didn't have the extensive monsters knowledge that Laius had which cause him to made a lot of stupid decision on dealing with things inside the Dungeon.
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>>154798636
A warrior part leader that isnt a complete moron is pretty refreshing.
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>>154798109
maybe laius party is just very good, and kabru's party is as good or even a bit better than any other party.

After all they went deeper thananyone else and managed to kill the dragon which was too much for a whole tribe of orcs.
as this anon said >>154798636
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>>154771194
her insecurity of her chubby ears is why marcille strived to excel in her academics
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>>154799370
The orc actually may be able to kill the dragon and possibly implied that they have done so in the past.

The Imouto Orc stated that the leader Aniki Orc explicitly give order to stay away and don't mess with the red dragon as he knows that killing/harming the red dragon is a good way to summon the Dark Elf.
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>>154799015
Laius is highly capable leader with extensive knowledge on how to survive the dungeon. The "moronic" side of him is mostly attributed to his weirdly deep fascination toward monsters.

Not to mention Laius have several useful odd skill. Like while chilchak have the best him in pure sensory hearing skills in terms of distance and low contraption noise, It's Laius who is capable to distinguish monsters from their moving/idling sounds.

Tough he did got OHKO'd once. Done by Namari tackles. It's strong enough to dent laius armor.
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>>154788344
Walter Matthau
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>>154800051
Laius seems to have dumped a lot into INT at the expense of not being able to tank as well.
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>>154800176
Which is good since now he will be able to cast healing spells.
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>>154800296
Once he's learned healing magic is Laius considered a paladin?
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>>154800176
He IS supposedly somesort of a paladin. But he flunk her sister teaching and now taking refresher and similar course from Marcie
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>>154800345
Doubt it. A paladins and clerics gets their healing magic from the god they worship. Laius seems more of a Fighter with a level in healer class.
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>>154800405
these two are so gonna fuck in the end and they don't even have the slightest idea.
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>>154800886
How do they deal with the difference in life expectancy in this universe?
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>>154800476
Going by Wizardry classes, he'd be a lord.
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>>154801155
marcille is versed in forbidden ancient magics, she can probably cook up something
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>>154801155
>>154800886

We haven't seen half-elf in this verse and other races having difficulty on judging the maturity of other races based on their age due to their different growth age.

>"He still 28 years old Marcie, he's like toddler and you fuck him!?"
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>>154801352
I didn't play wizardry. Say, what are these classes?
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>>154801615
You have the 4 typical base classes: fighter, mage, priest, and thief, and then the advanced classes: bishop, lord, ninja, and samurai.

Laius is advancing into a Lord class, which is basically a fighter who can use priest abilities. One of the requirements is that he has to be of a "good" alignment, which could end up being ironic considering his penchant to want to eat everything.
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>>154801774
I don't think that Laius has ever preyed on good aligned individuals/creatures.
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>>154775998
I'll enjoy seeing them be cannon fodder against the mad sorcerer.
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>>154802457
His wanting to eat demihumans is kind of straying into ambiguous moral territory for me. Hopefully his party will be there to deter him from going too far.
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>"Delicious in Dungeon" Vol 1
>Available for Pre-order. This item will be released on May 23 2017
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>>154802594
I don't know about you, anon, but if something is attempting to kill me in order to eat me, they are destined for my supper table if I kill them back. Completely fair.
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>>154802457
>>154802594
He want to eat merman/fishman but thankfully didn't shown to have any interest toward eating mermaids.
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Kabru thinks a dungeon is unnatural and dangerous and needs to be destroyed. Senshi thinks a dungeon is natural and ecologic and needs to be preserved. Which one is right?
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>>154803346
He has an interest in medusa/gorgons so mermaids are probably within his strike zone.
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>>154803475
Kabru says that once the explorers leave, the monsters will start to come out of the dungeon, and that's why they need to be destroyed. The question is whether the monsters always do that, or if it's in cases where the dungeon and ecosystem has been disturbed by explorers.
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>>154803176
>Delicious in Dungeon
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>>154803475
Dungeons are naturally occurring phenomenons as already explained and demonstrated by Farlyn and Marcille when they were students. And I am more convinced to believe in scholars than some uncultured below mediocre murder hobo.
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>>154803613
I am tentatively hopeful and you can't stop me
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>>154803619
Considering how scholars are taught to harvest mandrakes, can we really trust the magical academic system?
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>>154803619
there are natural dungeon like farlene cave and there are "man"-made dungeon like the mageschool micro dungeon.

The problem being some dungeon "balance" require the existence of explorer to weed their number or else the content of the dungeon will bleed out to neighboring area.

or even bigger problem is that the dungeon is already balanced and explorer came in and ruin the said balance and causing the possibility of the bleeding problem
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>>154803630
She's also delicious outside dungeon
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>>154803863
Yep. Senshi's golems keep the dangerous monsters from lower levels at bay. Wiping out the golems is bad news for everybody.
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>>154788508
She's the straight (wo)man.
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Elves : Just humans with pointy ears.
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>>154804043
They have better magic control and live longer
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>>154804076
In this verse, they have the highest mana pool and tolerance.

Dwarf have the lowest which seems to causes higher spell like teleportation cause namari to feel sick.
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>>154803916
The Kraken and its entire water level also seems to have mid-boss function to prevent deeper dungeon monster from moving to surface.
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>>154791012
marcille with twintails is cuuuute
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>>154773161
this

translators usually go with "he" when series use the non gender pronouns

then get BTFO when it's revealed that the characters are females.
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>>154805004
I'm looking foward on marcies mother doujins
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>>154805068
So?
Proper English language usage use "he/him/himself" for gender pronouns when the gender of the target isn't specified.
Same goes for police reports and other legal documents.
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>>154805068
>>154805148

Different language construct where in japan there is non gender pronoun like "it" but for person.

but english translator is known to chance the gender of feminime men into female and masculine woman into male.
>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShesAManInJapan

GA have Sasamoto-tono-sensei whose is a masculine chain smoking woman whose gender pronoun change twice in 6 volume. First a "she", then seems due to the look and personality and saying
>girls are all over me
it changed into "he", but then when the next volume shows her in make-up and feminime pantsuit it's changed back to "she".
---

I don't think police/legal report use "He" when the gender is undefined. supposedly it have to state undefined gender and prevent the use of gender specific pronoun for preventing a misleading information.
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who would you want to voice marcille and which voice specifically?
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>>154805716
They usually perfectly serviceable as a general pronoun without getting into the weird aspects of calling people "it" in English. It does have the problem of being a bit too distant when referring to someone you've seen face to face, but that's just how things are.
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>>154805739
Yoko Hikasa. I'd like her tantrums to be like Sakie-sensei.
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does anyone here think that Laius might be forced to fight against Farlyn?

I think that if it can be avoided, killing (or just defeating) the dark elf wouldn't necessarily kill the people who've died at least once in the dungeon, because that would mean that Marcille would also die (she said she died at least once to a slime, iirc)
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>>154794885
I liked this one.
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>>154803176
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>>154807469
This fucking author has a boner for sad/tragic endings, so yeah, totally.
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>by their fruits, ye shall know them
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>>154807610
MARCILLE, DO AS THY WILL
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>>154807469
Very good chance, yes.
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>>154800886
Wrong sibling
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>>154803752
>Considering how scholars are taught to harvest mandrakes,
The effective way that leaves the mandrake in good condition?
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>People discussing whether he was good or evil to have destroyed their bodies.

It's like you people forget that all adventurers are grave robbers, theives, and murder hobos by default.
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>>154808050
They're brave, noble warriors that spend their youth and vitality in the effort to stop the mad sorcerer.
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>>154807896
>random doodle #2
Absolute madwoman
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>>154808050
>all adventurers are grave robbers, theives, and murder hobos by default.
Not if you roleplay properly.
I had to stop several CRPG runs because video games sometimes force you to go OOC (or die).
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>>154801416
I'm not sure exactly what you wrote here, but 28 specifically (Chilchack) definitely counts as a child for elves and dwarves and might affect dating decisions if taken at face value.

Laius also seems to be significantly younger than 28 since he put emphasis on honoring Chilchack after finding out his age, which could exacerbate the age issue by a magnitude of toddler vs. child.

It doesn't really matter with him though. They're not going to end up together. If Marcille shows any interest in dating Laius by the end of this comic I'll eat my hat.
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>>154808578
Yeah, i realize the mistake later after i post it. but eh.
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Dungeon Meshi is so fucking good.
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>>154808757
It's a shock to me how good it is. It's targeted at my exact sweet spots for art, characters, premise, humor, setting, etc. in a way that I almost never find. What a breath of fresh air it is.
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>Age
Theyre immortal agewise or age much slower thanks to the dungeon.
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I keep reading the katakana for dungeon as "ASSES". What a wonderful font choice.
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>>154808847
I feel exactly the same.
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>>154808890
Hmm?
Whose Age you referring to?

Who points out the Dungeon slows down the aging process?
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>>154809417
I cant remember but it was certainly in there with soul lingering fuckotry
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>>154809510
I don't remember any mention of slowing of age process.

The Soul lingers is part of the dungeon curse who in a sense no allowing death by binding the soul to the body for quite sometime after death.
It's also a system that allows resurrection magic done easily.
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Laius is a dirty multiclasser.
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>>154808890
>>154809417
>>154809510
>>154809664

To note, there is a mention of immortality which implied to be the grandspell in the dungeon is for.

It's implied the Elf Kingdom knows about it and trying to blackmail the governor to give the dungeon ownership to the Elves
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>>154810999
Fucking elves is love

t. Orc
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>>154810999
It is noted that outside the dungeon curse, the current magician don't have magic to forcibly bind souls in ones body.

Which leads to a possibility that resurrection spell is either nonexistant outside this dungeon or very rare.
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>>154811063
>>154810999
>>154809664
I bet both black elves have that shit in their books
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>>154767940
What?
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>>154811063
Elves sold a ring to some guy which could bind souls to the body, so they have some of that magical soul technology.
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>>154813427
In that universe when a dead person becomes a ghost they are considered a lost cause and cannot be resurrected anymore. If the ring was supposed to be resurrection tech then it should have been doing the opposite and preventing the wearer from becoming a ghost.
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>>154813581
What can I say?
Elves are assholes.
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>>154813613
Damn right. They're good for bullying tho.
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I hate knife ears so god damn much.
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>>154813581
The ring had the same effect as the dungeon, binding the soul of the dead to a place. It's nowhere stated that it was supposed to resurrect someone. We don't know anything about what the ring actually was supposed to do, only that it's owner was very proud of it.
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>>154813820
Ghosts aren't rare. Farlyn was well known for ghost talking. They aren't evidence of resurrection magic or elven shenanigans. They are normal in that universe. The magic of the dungeon specifically bind the soul to the corpse and prevents a ghost.
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Thanks mods for stopping autism.
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>>154813963
>and prevents a ghost
Aside from all these ghosts? We know that the binding between the body and soul can weaken, that was the reason for Farlyns rather unconventional resurrection on the spot.
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>>154813963
That ring WAS elven shenanigans though.

If I am to hazard a guess, the reason the dark elf is still around is because she/he is already dead, but in a pristine preserved way. The spell holding souls inside their bodies was in order to keep the King tied to his corpse.

If you remember, when the Dark Elf was addressing the ghosts, she told them with tears in her eyes that his coming back was imminent. Perhaps that is the reason why the citizens (ghosts) and other undead are prancing around. They are waiting for their King.
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>>154814188
>dark elf(female)
Nah anon.
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>>154814188
>Perhaps that is the reason why the citizens (ghosts) and other undead are prancing around. They are waiting for their King.
the ghosts saved our party though
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>>154814188
What chapter did the Ring show up in? I'm sifting through my files but can't seem to find it and I know I'm not missing any.
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>>154814516
26.
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>>154814188
I don't think the dark elf is dead. We don't know how long lived elves are so it's safe to assume he/she is still alive.
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>>154814160
Yes, aside from these ghosts. The dungeon resurrection magic temporarily prevents their existence unless/until the corpse is damaged.
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>>154814623
>/until the corpse is damaged.
What does that mean?
You don't die if your body isn't damaged.
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>>154814673
Damaged beyond being repairable.
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>>154814516
>>154814188
>>154813820
The dead doesn't normally turn to ghost.
It was the ring that turn the wearer "soul/spirit' into ghost after death

But the ring binds the soul to a place not the body which may make resurrection impossible or not ideal.
Compared to the dungeon that could bind the spirit/ghost to the body, it's an incomplete technology.
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>>154814537
Thanks

To the current topic of discussion, we only know that the ring was the one binding the mans soul to his body, and unlike the ghosts we saw in the earlier parts of the dungeon this ghost was capable of speech.

If I'm remembering the gnome's words correctly, the dungeon anchors the soul to the body and it's not until the body has sufficiently decomposed that the spirit becomes unshackles and is capable of posessing other people. The ghost of the man in the cemetary was able to possess Laius without the body being deteriorated too much (he was only dead a couple of days.)

It's possible that the ring is an imperfect copy and only binds the soul to the earth and forces them to wander in a more lucid state. While the dungeon binds the soul to the body and creates these more quiret ghosts. It seems that only the longest lived ones retain their human reasoning enough to do stuff like aid the party.
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>Dark elfs age
Didnt some king die like 70/100 years ago?

I honestly dont think shes the dungeon master though. Maybe the dungeon was there before her and she just took over it.
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>>154814744
>But the ring binds the soul to a place not the body
How do you know that? The ghost was exactly where the guy was buried.
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>>154814673

Stately if you lost more that 1/13 of your body, the resurrection success chances will dropped significantly.

Mind you, lost not damaged. It's not like you got major stab wound, but more on you lost your lungs and heart like being eaten by creatures or something.
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>>154814782
>Didnt some king die like 70/100 years ago?
Don't remember anyone talking about this, but if we can believe the paintings and I see no reason to not believe them then the sorcerer at least went through a humans entire lifespan and didn't change one bit. At the same time we had the pleasure to see very young Marcille, school girl Marcille an now the "grown up" Marcille. She did visibly age alongside Farlyn. Maybe the sorcerer somehow managed to gain eternal life for himself already and the purpose of the dungeons magic was to extend it to other humans.

There is also the possibility that Ryuko has to retcon something because this goes longer than she anticipated
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>>154814791
Marcie mention that she's not a spirit/ghost yet as the spirit still bound to the body.

not to mention, farlyn spirit are not wandering around like the ghost in faryln hometown or in that particular level.
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>>154814744
>The dead doesn't normally turn to ghost.
Are we sure of that? I am inclined to believe that ghosts and zombies are common to all dungeons. Laius and Senshi refer to them as any other monster, the comic doesn't exactly put emphasis on the idea that ghosts/zombies cannot be found in any other place. I think a high concentration of magic in an area is more likely to lead to the creation of ghost/zombies. Therefore I would assume that in the flashback story of Laius and Farlyn the dead man was wearing a magical ring that contributed to his ghostification.
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>>154814791
>The ghost was exactly where the guy was buried.
Maybe he didn't go far from his body because of some shock related to his current state of existence? If the rules of the dungeon is that "Soul is bound to body" than the fact that this guy was floating around several yards from his corpse means that the spell binding his soul isn't exactly like the spell used in the dungeon.

If we pick apart the Gnomes words "death is forbidden in the dungeon" and extend it to how ressurection works it kind of makes sense. Why would simply healing the body allow the soul to return safely? And since the soul is chained to the body they can't freely roam until something else occurs to unchain them. This is what we see on the surface despite the body of the victim still being there.

It's actually interesting because it would mean that the only reason that we see spirits in the dungeon is because enough time has passed to completely erode their bodies since even the bones of Farlyn were able to act as an anchor.

And why would an elf sell a ring that had the exact same effect as the dungeon to some random human? And how does Farlyn know ancient blood magic used in resurrections?

I think it's likely that the soul arts have been known for some time to the elves at the very least, but they crucial step of how to anchor the soul to the body after death is what they are lacking and what the Gnome scholar is searching for.

>>154815186
>I am inclined to believe that ghosts and zombies are common to all dungeons
The soul spell is specifically attributed to a wizard-made magic spell. Dungeons are naturally occurring but we don't know if the soul arts are a natural occurrence as well.
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>>154814941
The sorcerer is probably extending his lifespan by using his forbidden blood magic. Or he's in a lich state.
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>>154815259

>elf
>needing to extend lifespan

What?
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>>154815285
Tolkiens work is the only one I can think of in which they are actually immortal. Faerun has them living up to 700 years, which may be the inspiration for these elves.
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>>154815230
The soul spell that temporarily prevents ghostification is man-made. We need to be specific. That doesn't mean ghostification is man-made. I think it makes sense that ghostification is a process normally found in dungeons due to their high concentration of magic.
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>>154815367
>I think it makes sense that ghostification is a process normally found in dungeons due to their high concentration of magic.
I can dig this but everything we've seen related to ghosts or spirits has been the result of man-made spells. I think that this particular phenomenon is completely artificial.
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The Gnome mention the current crop of magician could create binding of spirit to the body that happen in the dungeon at large scale.

And thanks to the non existance of soul binding spell, resurrection may be very rare of most possibly non existent outside the dungeon.

The Gnome mention the "resurrection" is done by merely heal the damaged part, so it's actually a healing spell and then the dungeon take care the revival part.
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>>154815428
The one that happen in laius hometown is rare or possibly their first occurrence and that happened artificially.

If ghost require large amount of mana to form it might explain why its rare in outside but plenty in dungeon designed to well designed channel mana.
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>>154803176
Is that what's it going to be called in America?
Where I live it's simply "Dungeon Food".
>mfw my shitty country gets the licensed manga before burgerfats
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>>154815601
Is that a facial expression on Senshin? What a rare sight.
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>14th of 4th new volume
Cant wait


Could you kill the black elf with an AK?
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>>154815780
Injecting modern things into fantasy is always a bad idea.
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I want to like Senshi but sometimes he just rubs me the wrong way, maybr because he reminds me of real life hippies and animal rights activists.
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>>154815886
Depends on the writer, you can create some great stuff with modern+ fantasy mix
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>>154815428
I'm not so sure about that. I think what we have seen that everything that pertains to soul-binding is artificial. We know that dungeons naturally spawn monsters of all sort. Well, a dungeon can be made artificially, but once its ecology is settled down it does stuff by itself, it accumulates magic and it spawns monsters. I'm inclined to put ghosts in that category. On another hand, Chilchac briefly mentions necromancy in this one page so I guess necromancers also exist in that universe and can manually create ghosts/zombies/skeletons/ghouls.
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They don't need to beat the mad sorcerer, they just need to steal his book. Isn't that Chilchac's job, stealing things? Have we seen him steal anything? He just has ONE job and he blew it.
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>>154816288
Chillack doesn't have high enough skill levels to be able to pull that off.
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>>154815687
If it were up to me, I'd change the title to Dungeon Delicacies.
It's basically the original name, except not stupid.
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what chapter do we find out their ages?
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>>154816288
Nah. Chilchack entirely focus on refining/mastering his specialization which is lock-picking and dungeon trap manipulation.
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>>154816897
Professional translators are not worth the money companies pay them, probably because they only do it for money.
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Are there already fantasy monsters on the earth or is it like berserk where they are brought through another dimension(dungeon)?
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>>154817164
Mandrakes certainly exist in the world at-large, and some of the things Senshi and Laius say suggest that there are monsters on the surface
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>>154817164
Scrub party leader's backstory was about how his family was devoured by worgs.
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>>154803176
Delicious in Dungeon is the official english title and not Dungeons and Delicacies.
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>>154817164
monsters seem to like magical places (dungeons)
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>>154817539
Hell, let me pitch this to you:
Delicious Dungeon
It's already a perfect title if you take out the useless preposition.
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>>154817539
>Dungeons
>s
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>>154818392
well multiple dungeons exist in the world
we dont know if they're going to visit others
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How popular is this compared to authors other works?

I wonder how long Meshi will be supported
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So why would the supposed king try to escape the dungeon from the mad sorcerer? Even grant the kingdom? Is it possible that wasn't the king but another faction that tried to ruin the kingdom? Or maybe the sorcerer went crazy after the previous king died and got protective.
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>>154818551
Dungeon meshi is quite popular in Japan. It recently won a major manga award, so it's definitely the author's best work to date.
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>>154818551
I think this is her first long running series. All her other books that I've read have been collections of, fabulous, short stories.
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>>154818551
As far as I know, it's volume sales is matching toe to toe with some of Shounen Jump's better sellers like Haikyuu or MHA. So, yeah, extremely successful.
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>>154768764
>fighting against the presumably strongest being in the dungeon
>after a tough fight against a dragon
>job
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>>154807610
>not posting the superior version
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>>154816897
Or Gourmet Dungeon
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Why not Dungeon Meal? It's literally the same, even fits the M for meshi
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>>154819219
>>154819219
Why not Dungeons & meals?
Dungeons & drakes?
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>>154817554
Bats must have hard time shitting.
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>>154819522
If bats couldn't shit freely, where would fireballs come from?
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>>154819314
Dungeon & Delicacy
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I tried making a thread earlier this week and got a single reply. Do we normally wait a couple days after the chapter comes out to discuss it? (It was my first time OPing a thread about a new manga chapter.)
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>>154819314
Dungeon and Dykes.
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>>154819522

You do realize bats can fly, right? They don't poop while sleeping.
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>>154818778

>dimension bending

Wait, does that include time? Because if so, holy shit timetraveling loli.
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>>154820752
Bending time is easy. All you need to do it is lots of gravity.
That doesn't make time travel possible.
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>>154820571

Did you tripfag in the OP?
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>>154820700
Imagine if you had to fly every time you had to take a shit
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>>154820805

Not backwards, without breaking some laws of physics (which are more like guidelines, because fuck you it's magic). Still, she can easily make some timeskips?
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>>154820844
Imagine you had to fly all the time because your food is airborne.
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>>154820844

Small price to pay for BEING ABLE TO FLY. Also, I'd fucking bomb things from the sky all the time.
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>>154820864
All magic breaks the laws of physics as we know them.
Are you one of those people who are amazed at Uiharu's ability to fuck thermodynamics living in the same universe as characters who can create energy (and matter) out of nothing?
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I think they can rekt the main party
they seem pretty skilled against humanoids
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>>154820844
you have to walk to the toilet, wipe your ass and wash your hands
seems easier for the bats
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>>154820939
What? The series has all the time emphasized how much better Laius group is compared to the grp led by the shitskin.
They're more likely to meet above ground in a tavern or something and not even fight.
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>>154775045

>>154775087
>>154788166
This

I want to breed healthy, stocky, hairy, stronk off spring with her.
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>>154820939
Are they fighting in or out of the dungeon? In the dungeon, then the team eats monsters for breakfast has a huge home field advantage. It's the difference between someone who can survive in a hostile environment and someone who lives there.
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>>154820930

I think magic comes from the nearest fusion source, which up until lately was the sun, and also why fusion power is so fucking hard to control properly. All that fluctuation from the tiny magic drains happening all the time.
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>>154820994
>>154821050
I am saying that Laius and friends don't seem that familiar with murdering humans and the like while the brown guy and his friends seem pretty efficient at it
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>>154820939
Main group (with the old members) actually kills dragons
The scrubs gets knocked-out by coin bugs

go figure.
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Is pre-ordering through Amazon okay to support the author? Regardless of the jewish DMCA take downs. I still want to continue reading it and in support. Not going to jump through hoops though.
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>>154821064
>I think magic comes from the nearest fusion source,
Magically transferring the energy from the sun to its point of application would also violate the laws of physics.
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>>154821107
The halfing probably has some assassination past he never bothered to share and saves everyone.
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>>154821140

Not really, fusion creates all kinds of interesting, energetic radiation.
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>>154820815
No, there was nothing really wrong with it. It was only a day or two after the new chapter, though. It doesn't really matter, I just was wondering whether there was some kind of schedule I didn't know about.
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>>154821283
You need a somewhat baity text anon
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>>154821231
>Not really,
Yes, really.
The existence of energy does not make the machine superfluous.
Fire doesn't propel your car. The engine does, powered by the fire.
If the fire were in a house 2000 km away, and not in your engine, as might be the case when you neglected to refuel gas, then your car will not run.
We can use solar power given the right apparatus to convert it. But it doesn't just fuel whatever just like that.
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>>154821601

Fuck you it's magic. It captures high energy neutrinos and turns them into whatever is required.
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>>154821708
>Fuck you it's magic.
No one was complaining.
The point is just that magic doesn't fit into our model of physics. If you replace that with a set of physical laws that do include magic, then everything works out fine.
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>>154821708
This

Its not fucking an alchemy like science. You literally use magic at your whim to do what you want against the laws of nature. There is no such thing as balance when it comes with magic. The whole idea of magic is its so powerful that it goes against restrictions of reality.
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>>154821856
>This
You are "agreeing" with him by stating what he was arguing against.
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>>154821910
I think he was trying to reply to >>154821757
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>>154821856
If magic is commonplace and considered natural, does it even go against laws of nature?

I dont think so, it even has its own rules of conservation of force
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>>154823215
>needs more semen to wash out the old stuff
She does realize that semen is a terrible cleansing agent right? She'd be better off with hot water and some patience.
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>>154823315
Dude, it's an edit.
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>>154823377
How would I have ever guessed? Maybe the poorly drawn and colored hearts or the clearly different font styles.
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>>154823434
>How would I have ever guessed?
Your post didn't indicate that.
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>>154768531
Don't forget: Halfling with the rarest power of all, common sense
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>>154823559
>What is sarcasm
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>>154823693
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>>154823826
You win this round.
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It really makes you think that there's more to Chilchack than just lock-picking.
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>>154824004
He used to have a bow in previous adventures.
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>>154824334
How is he supposed to use a bow with those tiny arms of his?
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>>154824419
He uses a bow matched to his size maybe.
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>>154824419
Well, we never saw him shooting the bow.
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>>154788508
Because she gives good inspiration material
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>>154824419
>>154824334
I'd be nice to see him use bows again to at least have a fighting chance if hey ever encounter the PvP party.
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>>154824479
That small bow would be good for hunting small animals, why hed carry one to a dungeon?
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>>154824634
So he can annoy people with it. Or maybe aim for the softest possible bits and eyes.
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>>154824652
You dont carry a large heavy weapon around unless you plan to use it a lot. Maybe its a fantasy bow with negative weight, idk.
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>>154824634
He can do high-precision ranged attack like with the dragon, so he could probably do well on hitting vital spots.
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>>154824726
>using a kitchen knife to do a long distance precision throw with childs arms
>even though its spinning it penetrates the target point first and goes halfway trough in
Magic sure is great, huh.
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>>154824726
You cant hit vitals with a underpowered bow though, especially not monsters vitals
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>>154803752
Scholars use the most efficient system. You gonna fault modern day scientists for testing medications on rats?
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>>154824838
An eye is always a weak point. You can stab it with a fucking pencil.
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>the hentai isn't any good because no one else can draw the characters as well as the creator
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>>154768422
I now realize there are no male elves and this makes me confused.
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>>154825098
Maybe all the round eared elves are halfbreed between elves and humans.
Thats why marcilles mother and the painting wizard have pointy ears but the younger ones dont, all the elf males are extinct.
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>>154825044
https://exhentai.org/g/1030792/b728e7e5e3/
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>>154824828
>magic
>he didn't take Precise Shot
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>>154825225
>round eared elves
Those are halflings.
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>>154824916
eyes arent vitals
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>>154825240
Name? Can't do panda
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>>154820844
Imagine flying to take a shit and getting eaten by a giant centipede dangling from the ceiling
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>>154825240
I'm all for cripples, but no limbs is where I draw the line.
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>there are people in japan that don't draw an good doujins of a dark skin elf mind controlling farnese to be her sex slave
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>>154825240
Why do good artist use their power for evil?
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>>154825534
Whats so special about limbs?
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>>154825098
>implying the dark elf isn't an elf(male)
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>>154825719
thighs are nice and hands can be used for stroking your dick
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>>154824419
>>154824634
>>154824838
Composite bows don't need to be long to be strong.
Having a smaller draw length of course means that your arrows will be shorter, but you can make them a bit thicker to maintain their weight.

>>154824714
Ranged weapons are never useless. Range is king on the battlefield.
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>>154825436
Dear lord, nature, WHY?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UROVfmY3NTA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scolopendra_gigantea#Behavior_and_diet
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>>154826537
>Composite bow
That kinda bows arent available for medieval society

>>154826537
>Muh ranged weapons
Armor says hi, for good part of history, ranged weaponry was considered 3rd class compared to everything else
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>>154826781
>That kinda bows arent available for medieval society
You mean that medieval society that also has samurai?
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>>154768363
She's a tomboy.
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>>154769092
>Yes, he is bad as them too
Necrophiliac party was much worse, they didnt want a fair fight and turned friends on each other.
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>>154770808
t. Chaotic Evil/Tyrone
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>>154772253
>And the soul is conscious to a degree
To what degree ? A amoebe's conciousness ? A headless chicken ?
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>>154773623
>Why do you think that is?
I have no idea because severe long-term torture is worse than killing someone.
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>>154826781
>That kinda bows arent available for medieval society
Yes, they were.

>Armor says hi,
So?
In the battle of Agincourt (1415) armor was already so advanced that it could no longer be penetrated by archery, and yet the British longbow men defeated the French knights anyway. They just shot their horses to pieces.
Putting on archery pressure also means that the enemy can't raise their visors for fear of being sniped in the face, meaning they get exhausted faster.
For monsters that means it can't open its mouth to attack because otherwise you're going to shoot an arrow straight into its unarmored throat.
>for good part of history, ranged weaponry was considered 3rd class
No.
Europe didn't make much use of it. Most of Asia loved their ranged weaponry. And for most of human history, armor was inadequate to reliably protect people from warbows.
Roman heavy infantry for example was devastated in the battle of Carrhae, and nailed to the ground by the arrows, as some historians describe.
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>>154767696
They aren't good at dealing with issues involving dungeon lore but their leader has proven to be very skilled at fighting other humans...
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>>154827464
Depends on the spirit but we see a few types

1) Fully aware of themselves, can selectively choose when they wish to be corporeal or not (Remnants of past civilization?)

2) Mindless Undead: Possess humans and turn into shambling zombies. Self awareness unknown (Common on upper floors)

3) Fully Aware, and verbal. Only one of these was seen in the graveyard. (Created by elvish ring)

We don't know how conscious the souls of the people still bound to their bodies are so it's up in the air on what that means. But the images shown gives the impression that they are suffering or terrified. Maybe being held in that state until your body completely decomposes is it's own living hell.
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>>154775998
>do you personally like Kabru and his party?
I have severe doubts about two fragile halflings in one party and their lack of ranged options. Doggo doesnt seem smart.
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>>154827464
>A headless chicken ?
That's not consciousness. That's just reflexes.
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>>154827742
Then how come is the body lighter?
Checkmate atheist
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>>154829561

Maybe because the body loses bladder control?
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>>154825539
>Farnese
>Not Schierke
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