New chapter is out and next episode is almost here, just be happy guys.
>they use SSG's power a lot of times
>they use SSG form 3 times
>FUCKING TOYOTARO IS OBSESSED WITH SSG HE'S DESTROYING HIS VERSION IT LOOKS LIKE DBH
Toeishills autistic rage is more hilarious every month
Agains, trunks don't have to protect other's timeline when the other gods from THESE TIMELINES can do it by themselves.
Just warn them then they will fuck zamasu's ass if he come to their timelines.
>There's no daylight savings time in Japan, so Super may be on at a different time depending on where you live.
>There's no daylight savings time in Japan, so Super may be on at a different time depending on where you live.
>There's no daylight savings time in Japan, so Super may be on at a different time depending on where you live.
>The multiversal scheme doesn't balance because if warned, the other gods can defend their universe by themselves.
That's another step in reasoning. One could argue Black and Zamasu might become stronger or try other ways to kill the Gods e.g. killing their Kaioshins and so on. They almost did in that chapter too.
Just saying they plan on continuing the slaughter raises the stakes. Maybe not as much as having people to protect right here and now, but still.
Together we can end this pointless fighting!
That's it. Im getting sick and tired of DBS' inconsistency.
Dragon Ball and DBZ was consistent as fuck. There was never a plothole at all.
But in Super there is a huge one, and by huge I mean HUGE.
Everyone saw the last Tournament between U6 and U7. Including Zeno.
That tournament was dominated by U7 fighters, they DID WON.
Not to mention Beerus is way stronger than Champa.
So you can't say "ningens lost, but the Hakaishin is stronger".
Now how the fuck is Universe 6 is superior to Universe 7???
> If you would say it's TOei's fault, I 'd believe that!
Oh come on, I actually like Xenoverse. It has nice RPG elements with very satisfying gameplay.
Literally the only thing I don't like is the small roster which is constantly getting upgraded.
This pasta has really grown, like it went from being a wee lad of a shitpost to straight up adding layers like and onion. Have your you lewd 18 poster, you've earned in my book!
I hope we get this in XV, I don't know, looks cool
>Let's admit merged zamasu is defeated here
That's not the bad end scenario.
The bad end scenario is merged Zamasu defeating them and killing Shin. Beerus disappears. He kills everyone in the other universe. Nobody else knows about it. That's two universes down.
He can keep going. Merged Zamasu might be, or become as strong as a GoD.
Blame some silly censor but I'm not sure if that's a real thing
Averages. U6 still has lots of Saiyans (who aren't planet pillagers in this U) and Frost didn't go around killing off strong races like Frieza did. So there's likely more relatively strong being in U6, even if U7 has superior S-class talent.
Also, I'm not sure it's been explicitly stated that the universe rankings have to do with brute strength. I have a suspicion it will be revealed that the rankings have to do with intelligence or prosperity or something.
>Dragon Ball and DBZ was consistent as fuck. There was never a plothole at all.
That's why warning the other gods is enough.
Then they won't let their kaioshin dying this easily if they know that they should be careful about a renegade kaioshin.
You can't find any excuse to this.
>Dragon Ball Super by 2004 Toriyama never
On Kanzenshuu, everyone loves the chapter except for the same Toeishills who show up every month to bitch
This chapter was awesome, Toyo actually had the Mafuba affect Goku's stamina, unlike the anime. Goku was awesome this month. He noticed they were gonna fuse and tried to stop them
The reason they had to fuse was better here too. Zamasu realizing his immortality would be worthless with Black gone, and Goku's so aggressive that he would never be able to heal Black.
Only thing the anime topped in this chapter was the actual fusion, which was much better in the anime
>"b-but how SS Black lose against not!Blue Vegeta if he's already SS3 tier in base form? TOYOKEKS BTFO!!"
>*next chapter shows up and Black was just wanting another zenkai*
>"b-but how is Vegeta switching between SSG and SSB if he was unable to go SSB twice in the tournament? TOYOKEKS BTFO!!!"
>*full translation shows up and Vegeta trained to go SSB many times without losing power*
They never learn?
>Toeishills got BTFO with the SSGxSSB thing so the tracing meme is the only thing left again
People think Goku is just a battle autist and a dumb person, but that charaterization was played mostly for laughs in fillers. Goku isn't dumb - if he was, he wouldn't have kicked the grenade back at Tao Pai Pai back in DB. He knew what guns and grenades were.
Remember when he arrived in West City the first time, and he asked a policeman for directions to Bulma's house?
>Toyo actually had the Mafuba affect Goku's stamina, unlike the anime
Because he never used it in the anime. Better show Gary Strunks learning it with a How To video by Piccolo
It hurts as well anon.
I think the Mafuba is more of a tug-of-war style attack, and depending on your opponent's strength (if he's the same power level or stronger than you), your stamina is going down the drain fast. They showed this with Trunks - when he sealed Zamasu, he was gasping for air, even though he had a Senzu before.
So, Mutaito and Roshi dying because of Mafuba makes sense, since they were much weaker than Piccolo. Kami didn't die because his power was just a little below Piccolo's.
Has anyone else noticed that this tournament literally has exactly the same rules as Super Smash Brothers, an arena that is almost like Final Destination and a contestant that is literally Fox and Marth fused together into a single character?
One of the competing Universes is literally Universe 20XX and they're sending their most overpowered fighters combined for this kind of game.
And it seems like they've been training for it too.
>which was much better in the anime
I'm agree but it was because Toei is too retarded to check how potara fusion looks. Simple and effective, not flashy as a magical girl transformation sequence.
Yu Yu Hakusho had a similar tournament (the last one, not the first one). Since there were something like 2000 entrants in the first round, they just made them fight on huge islands, with 49 entrants on each. Or was it 149? I forgot.
>Gowasu is injured
>Kaioshin escape with trunks and mai if possible
>Go to an another timeline
>Warn the gods in this timeline
>Do the same with the other
>Zamasu will not be able anymore to kill kaioshin from other if he come to their timelines easily.
How to end this arc.
>A total of 6,272 demons signed up for the tournament. As a result, the preliminary matches consisted of 128 fights with 49 demons, in which the last person standing in each group progressed to the first round of the tournament. Each preliminary battle takes place on a gargantuan Okunen Tree.
This one was a true battle royale, free-for-all. DB Super's has people fighting in teams.
Time mechanics in dragonball don't allow him to abuse timetravel the way you suggest, this has been true since the cell saga.
or rather they're conveniently written so it allows for drama, even in the cell saga they end up contradicting themselves and the manga's current portrayal.
>Buu was going to destroy the universe because Goku was too retarded to kill him! And so were Gotenks, Gohan and Vegetto
>That means there's no stake at all in the Buu arc! Who cares if the universe is about to be destroyed?
Let's go further.
>Kid Buu can defeat Goku, who cares? Gohan is there. So is Gotenks. There are no stakes at all.
Why kaioshin said that black shoudn't be able to found him in CHAPTER 21 then?
Never said he wouldn't retard.
What I said here, is that while trunks is obviously the only one with goku and vegeta to be able to save the remaining humans, so obviously he prioritize that since warning the other gods wouldn't do shit about his own timeline.
In the manga, with just the other timelines, warning the other gods make MORE SENSES since they will do things for their OWN TIMELINES.
Let's keep going.
>Goku can just die against Freeza. Use the Dragon Balls to teleport and revive everyone. They have both sets, so even if Freeza comes to destroy the Earth they can go somewhere else.
>Who cares about Cell? Contact Nameks with Kaio. Revive Piccolo with Namek Dragon Balls. Revive Earthlings. Almost everyone will come back to life, including Gohan.
>Why kaioshin said that black shoudn't be able to found him in CHAPTER 21 then?
He was too optimistic. Or Black was focused on ending ningens at the moment.
Black can, and almost DID kill Kaioshin, potentially ending a second universe with him.
Black IS a threat. At least as much as Buu or Freeza.
>forgetting how long five minutes is in the DB universe to fit the anime narrative like on Namek
>So trunks is like goku and vegeta then?
What are you on about? I'm saying that if Black can be cheated out of his victory using alternate ways, so can Freezer, Buu, or even Cell. If that means there's no stakes for Black, then all three big villains of DBZ were that way too.
You seem to lack reading comprehension, on top of being an ESL. I suggest shutting the fuck up and do something with your worthless life other than shitting up a thread
>He was too optimistic. Or Black was focused on ending ningens at the moment.
Just show that the arc feels forced in the manga.
Zamasu's arc was a change in the anime since they were actually focusing on saving people without having any other option.
Except that Trunks being the holy savior of his timeline was never a thing in the manga anyway. And just warning the gods and going home would be a shitty and underwhelming ending.
Holy fuck, FUCK OFF. MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING THREAD IF YOU WANT TO CRY AND DEFEND ABOUT YOUR MANGA/ANIME, NOBODY CARES HERE.
Seriously, if your "manga" or "anime" is so good that it doesn't have to be explained why it's so good, then WHY THE FUCK DO YOU GUYS KEEP EXPLAINING
>Hurr but the other people have to understand but they never doOoOooo
Then why the FUCK do you keep explaining if they never will get it. Just fucking STOP.
It really makes you think how stupid you are.
Not to mention they can't warn the GoDs anymore. The fight is on right now.
Also, Merged Zamasu might be as strong as a GoD. Or become as strong. Or strong enough to kill a Kaioshin even with the GoD trying to protect him.
There are plenty of ways for Black to fuck shit up. As many as for Freeza, Cell and Buu. The situation is just as critical.
The fuck trunks is doing here so?
Goku choose to fight freezer
Goku cooose to let androids happen
Goku choose to let buu happen
Trunks isn't goku, he will cheat out if he can.
He has no purpose to fight Zamasu now since everyone is dead in his timeline and that the other gods if warned can defend their timelines without him.
It feels much less epic, more forced.
Trunks wanted to save his universe. He's still not sure whether or not there are people remaining, on Earth or not. Black supposedly killed the last humans right when Trunks arrived, but Trunks isn't sure yet and he's fighting to save Mai and Kaioshins right now.
Not everyone is dead. Besides that Zamasu is a threat that should be exterminated now. They cannot go to all the timelines, what if the timeline he goes to is different? If the gang go to another timeline to tell them Black is coming ANOTHER TIMELINE WILL BE CREATED WHERE THEY DON'T
>Justifying Freezer, Cell and Buu by making LITERALLY EVERYONE RETARDED
>WHY DON'T THEY JUST USE DRAGON BALLS TO DESTROY SAIYANS SPACE PODS?
>WHY DID PICCOLO FIGHT THE CYBORGS?
>WHY DIDNT THEY WISH EVERYONE AWAY FROM NAMEK BEFORE FIGHTING FREEZA?
I can keep going for hours.
Shut the fuck up and learn English before posting in these threads.
Where is the headcanon? You're sounding like a broken record, fucking retard. Trunks CAN'T KNOW whether or not there are still people in the universe. Black told him he finished killing the last Earthlings, but he can't know if Black is right.
He could probably use the Namekian Dragon Balls too. He knows about them, he's been revived by them.
Zamasu killed the last ones right when Trunks arrived. That's why they came in the first place, to prevent these murders from happening.
Trunks is fighting people far stronger than him and dealing with apocalypse and timelines shenanigans, as well as the deaths of his saviors.
He appeared. He helped. He will help more in the next chapter.
How about stopping to be a retard and learning English? You're shitting up the thread. Nobody wants you here.
>when you can use that time arguing, shitposting, and YOKA YOKA DANCING
>"Let me see... Just what kind of transformation you think can defeat me!"
No it's not. He doesn't know about it, in fact. He just thought about fusing with Satan and thought they might not get stronger at all or even weaker. That's all speculation from his part because he doesn't know SHIT about Potalas.
There's much less of a difference between a SS2 and a SSR than between an SS3 and Satan. Trunks SS2 can at least hit Black and send him flying. Satan can't make Perfect Cell move at all.
Is this show ever gonna get a season 1 blu-ray release with English track?
All they have is shitty DVD Japenese versions with English subs. bleck.....
Mangafags started this war with their "Copypasta every thread about why the anime is shit, posted dozens of times per thread if anyone disagrees, and I'm zealous how no one is allowed to like the anime. Any thread that speaks positively about the anime I'll spread my copypasta about the manga being the only canon muh Toyo".
They made it a war between the factions. Just one autist posting the same thing each thread made it a war basically.
>Black called Future Zamasu brother
Couldn't they just use the power of friendship technique to make Gohan and the other saiyans SSG or do they have to be full blood saiyan.
Also, I bet they will conveniently forget about the time chamber and Whis' staff in prep
REMINDER MANGA GOKU JOBBED TO A GUY THAT IS SS2 TIER
>Anyway, I just hope Gohan gets a power-up soon. He needs it if he wants to be on the same ligue as Goku and Vegeta.
He will never ever be on the same league as Goku and Vegeta. Stop dreaming Gohanfag.
Black was already ss3 tier pre zenkai boost that vegeta gave him.
Trunks went from ss to ss3 during those 3 years. Not to mention zamasu zenkai is much bigger then goku's/vegeta's and probably trunks
Time for the gohan fans daily reminder
Trunks has already had a ton of zenkais from the Androids, RoSaT, Cell, and Dabura. He is nearing his peak while Black is in a brand new body ready to take advantage of fresh zekai from a rediculously high base.
Chapter 22 Zamasu’s Last Resort
“Gowasu sama!” “Gowasu sama!” “GOWASU SAMA!!”
Shin: “A god who is suppose to guide the universe into peace doing something like this… I cannot forgive…!”
Zamasu: ”What is an incompetent god that doesn’t even have the power to protect the universe like you saying.”
Trunks: “Gowasu sama! You cannot die! Please wake up and open your eyes!”
Gowasu: *gasp* *cough cough*
Mai: “He’s alive!” “Kaioshinsama! Gowasu sama is still alive!”
Black: “What? Tch… I must have missed his vital points…”
Black: “If I let you live you might ran away with Instant Transmission again so I’ll just start killing you Kaioshisn first”
Trunks: “Mai! With this Bike you and Gowasu need to run away as far as possible!”
Mai: “What about you Trunks?”
Trunks: “I’ll hold them off until father and co show up, Go!”
Goku: “It’s alright, Trunks and Mai are both still alive:
Vegeta: “They seem to be pretty far from here”
Goku: “This is bad! Trunks’ Ki is getting smaller and smaller”
Vegeta: “They must be mid combat”
Goku: “Let’s go Vegeta!”
Vegeta: “ *chi* (disgruntled sound) “
Goku: “The Supreme Kai is here as well…!”
Black: “Oh already back?”
Vegeta: “I’ll defeat him, you go feed these two a senzu”
Goku: “You can do it yourself?”
V: “Of course”
V: “You’re going to seal Immortal Zamasu right?
Goku: “yeah I know, that’s what I’ll do”
“Sorry Trunks, you did good holding them off, but for now here is a senzu…”
Zamasu: “I won’t let you do that!”
“They got away…”
Why is it bigger?
Pic related just say that he use it a lot.
Gowasu should have done the same with trunks.
>asking what the fuck is that lewd shit Goku put in the jar
Torankusu a cute!
Mai: “Goku san!”
Goku: “osu! Sorry for keeping you waiting!”
Mai: “Um.. If you have a senzu please give it to Gowasu sama..!”
Goku “eh who?”
Black: “In front of me you still look the same…..” Did something change Vegeta?”
Vegeta: “ heh, you seem to always have a despicable face:
Black: “How ‘prestigious’ of you, did you somehow find a new transformation?”
Black: “Alright then, show it to me”
Black: “no matter what transformation, don’t think you can win against me!”
Black:” Red hair? Super Saiyan God?”
“What the hell are you doing?”
Vegeta: “ I know now” “to defeat you I needed this form”
Black: “haahahaha, what can you do in your hour of desperation? What can you do now with this weaker inferior SSJ form?”
“...........What’s with your face?”
Black: “Do not laugh Saiyan!”
Black” I said stop with that snear/face/mug!”
Black: “you, your speed drastically increased, what did you do?”
Vegeta “I’ll tell you what I just did now”
Black “You, how are you getting that kind of power from that body…!”
Action sequence page 16-17
Black “stop fooling around, using an incomprehensible ability”
Vegeta “Upset losing to a god? Mr. Rose (Rose sama)
Black: “me lose? Don’t say joke around”
Vegeta: “Well then, let me just establish a clear now victory then”
(quick break brb 20min)
>Why is it bigger?
Because each time he gets a zenkai his cell's merge with goku's body more and more and is therefore able to unlock all of goku's body potential. Like chapter 20 already said : at first he couldnt go ssj let alone god
Lay down kiddo
Mangastream is so fucking dreadful, holy shit
Lol kee crying gohanfag
>Zamasu is aparently defeated (fucking stabbed, they don't knew he was immortal) -> Goku drops the god ki back to regular SS -> Zamasu use Kaioshin paralisis -> Goku can't defense himself or go SS3 or God
Make sense if you ask me
Better than Future Zamasu physical holding down both SSB Goku and SS2 Trunks who are both stronger than him.
>actually stuttering in the subtitles
Manga Black is an incompetent loser who thought he'd be OP just because he stole a Saiyan's body. He then realized he couldn't use it correctly, and regularly got embarrassed by actual saiyans who knew what they were doing
Anime Black is a Gary Stu that's perfect at everything and uses Goku's body better than he ever did. But he's charming and smug, so he's enjoyable
Manga Black is better written, Anime Black is more enjoyable.
>Zamasu being weaker than a SS3 is in Toriyama outline
>this shit still happened
I like that Merged Zamasu has that bang from his Kaioshin hairstyle
>tfw the manga chapter was amazing but the anime episode tonight is going to be boring as fuck
I'm sorry but the manga is just way better, it HAS to be said... forgive me Toeipedros!
Nope thats anime Black.
took a bit longer than expected
Holy shit, my fucking sides
Black had ssg already unlocked or how do you think zamasu would know that ssrose is a ssgss form and not black's version of ssg?? Not to mention this chapter re confirms it by black knowing ssg and that is a lower form then ssblue/ssrose.
>they realize Black become stronger by zenkai
>next page, Shin literally says Black's only reason to make a team with Zamasu is spam zenkais
>also before when SS Black was surpassing SSB Vegeta for first time Goku doesn't understand at all how is that happening, when he already knows zenkais are a thing
the way the manga is going, what would make the most sense is vegito turning ssg and defeating merged zamasu. trunks would still have to live elsewhere since every person on earth was killed
if the rule about fusion running out faster still applies to the manga, i wonder if it will happen with just ssg? or maybe vegeto just goes ssb either way
i think goku might eat the senzu too though, since he already used the mafuba and is relatively tired. could vegeto even turn ssb if goku fuses with vegeta without enough strength to transform it himself? we'll see. there are too many questions that the anime didn't answer to know for sure what will happen
Goku should just talk him into a depression
Not him but, to be fair, Zamasu was constantly shown as getting beat by Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta in the anime.
The literal only reason he lasted like he did was because he was immortal.
And the only times he even removtly put up some sort of sustainable attack against Goku and Co was after they had been weakened by fighting Black.
Zamasu never did anything of note against Goky, Vegeta, or Trunks when they were actually at their full.
This is embarrassing for you, toeishill. I'm not joking here, just stop.
Ok guys there is something I dont get.
Vegeta now trained so that he can transform in blue without losing the original power boost that it gives but why doesnt he just fight in blue in the first place??? Why bother doing the switch in and out? Does ssb in the manga decrease your stamina by time?
>Wins by ring outs only
Why does zeno always ruin things for Champa?
Hit would win if he could kill, and Botamo would be basically unstoppable without ringouts.
sustaining the transformation drains stamina. he trained himself to not lose a lot of power once turning it off (like what happened before vs cabba + hit). that doesn't mean he can stay transformed without it affecting him. it's 2 different things
This episode will be a shit waste of time that ruins the hype for how powerful u11 is. U9 preview didn't matter but a pride trooper fighting pretournament is stupid. I'd rather see android 17
>goku cant right now
Which is bullshit because the only one who got tired after using Mafuba was Roshi. Then again most people in these threads didn't read or watch the original dragon ball so I'm not surprised by their ignorance
It's from Toyo's AF. Vegeta rapidly switches between transformations to beatdown Xicor
>pointing out that Toyo is literally turing Super into AF makes me a Toeishill
>supreme kai finally tries to do something
>immediately gets btfo'd
After what happened with Buu, why does this faggot never train? Sure he's not a prodigy like Zamasu, but he could have at lest been somewhat helpful.
>2 minutes later
Thanks but I actually have work to do so i'll pass
>How accurate are niggerstream translations?
It's quite accurate, it does favor more towards linguistic flow rather than a word for word direct translation but this chapter seems alright. No more Ghetto Zeno these days either.
See >>154746809 and stop being retarded, you're saying a SS2 can do this to a SSB because "h-he's weakened" (also ignoring that then SSR Black would kill they in seconds then)
Kek, poor Mai. She's worried sick but Trunks has to yell at her like that or else she will stay there.
Holy shit, did he really sneak something from AF into the official manga?
>Toyo is literally turning Super into a AF because a character cleans himself with his hand, same thing every fucking fighter in every manganime series do
I already told you, this is embarrasing, just stop.
Fug, I miss my CRT with the integrated VHS player. Loved that thing, but eventually the colors started to fade, the case got really lose for some reason despite never fucking with it until it went kaput.
well since he trained for a year, his power level is meant to have increased too. the thing is, base black was > ssj3, while ssj black managed to hit ssb vegeta. so would one year of training be enough to overcome that difference? it honestly shouldn't be.
that said, trunks was greatly weakened in the future, so it makes sense that black shouldn't have been that strong (so ssj3 goku or a rested + well fed trunks should be > than base black). but the problem is that ssj black still managed to hit ssb vegeta
that said, the manga is still on another level entirely in terms of consistency compared to the anime, even in terms of power levels
So...is Toyotarou releasing the manga as he is working on it, or did he out pace the anime but can't release for anime spoilers? In that case the anime would be polishing his works.
Because it's stuck in a monthly magazine.
In terms of production it's ahead of the anime, as seen when we got manga panels for the trailer for the Universe Survival arc.
But because it's in V Jump, it's way behind in releases. And that's never going to change, because most of the higher-ups in the Dragon Ball Room are also faggots from the V Jump staff, so they aren't going to let it slip to a weekly publication.
Was stupid especially combining it with regulsr ssj. It made a mess of the powerscale and everyone who watched the anime thought frost/cabba were god tier. Ssg being its own thing is much clearer
He fucking trained in RoSaT, his SSB is stronger than before
>rose > blue
The gap between Black's SS and SSR isn't big at all so Rosé is weaker than Blue (is about multipliers, base Black is just strong enough)
not the first time. Mai would stay there or do anything reckless to protect him if he doesn't tell her not to do that.
They care in their own way.
After this chapter I honestly prefer the manga. Rather than Trunks inexplicably being able to fight toe to toe against Black and even fused Zamasu was kind of silly.
Though I guess it depends how Toyo plans to finish it. Will Trunks pull off his moonlight great sword attack, or will something else happen? Zamasu becoming the universe and Zeno wiping that timeline out will happen since we know there are going to be 2 Zeno's in the manga from that one trailer.
>did he out pace the anime
Yes, but it has nothing to do with spoilers. Simple fact is, they only want to put out one chapter per magazine, and it's in a monthly magazine, so the releases are trailing behind while production is going full steam ahead.
>Toei shills reaching this hard after being BTFO with the "inconsistency" shit
It's like you say Goku puting on his wristband in a random chapter is "too much coincidence" because dozens of characters did it as well in dozens of mangas. This is just shitposting, isn't?
>Toeitrash still mad about the manga being better than the crappy anime
Isn't it enough at this point? It's getting sad, guys.
Kaioken isn't transformation and it fucks up the users body so of course Goku would only use it for a split second. He did the same thing in the Saiyan Saga too. However, trying to be cool and switching between transformations looks retarded
At this point using "cuck" to refer to a toeishill is in correct universe. They were originally gloating of their victory, but as soon as the chapter came out and clarifications were made their victory was stolen and given to the Toyokeks.
Holy fuck Kamen Rider Ex-AID was insanely good again. Dragon Ball Super in 25 minutes guys.
You do realize that the reason he did that was because the ginyu force couldn't detect energy and because of how Kaioken works right? SSB isn't Kaioken and Black can sense energy so the only thing the manga accomplished is make Black look retarded
His betrayal was the sole reason Buu got revived, he was underestimating the threat all along and only cared for a chance to fight Goku. That's pretty much the same.
>there is that guy who we can defeat before it gets too dangerous
>nah fuck it
And he sure didn't let Buu absorb anyone since he wasn't even alive when Buu was doing that.
I should probably start watching Kamen Rider Ex-AID I've heard nothing but good things about it. It comes on an hour before Dragon Ball Super right? It'll give me something else to watch whilst waiting for Dragon Ball Super.
Super Saiyan = 50x Base
if Base is 100000, then super Saiyan is 5000000
Add 10 000 to Base to make 110 000
Super Saiyan is 5500000
Conclusion: By just having a small increase of 10 000 the super Saiyan form is about 500 000 bigger than the rest.
Not everything is aboit strength you fucking moron.
Rewatch the cell saga.
Black rose is just his version of ssgss means he too suffers from the big stamina drain. Vegeta has better stamina control and can therefore outspeed him during the battle which even black comments on.
Hi anon, now go study for your exam!
So why does SSB suddenly not drain a whole bunch of stamina?
I mean Vegeta lost like 90% of his power after transforming for a few seconds and now he's transforming into it multiple times over the course of a fight and it's not causing any problems.
What's up with that?
>He did it to reserve stamina dipshit
He did it because of Kaioken. Vegeta didn't know how it worked back then. When Goku came to Namek he was weak without Kaioken and he only uses it when he attacks to avoid fucking up his body. Stick to making fun of animefags because it's really obvious you didn't read the original manga.
What the fuck do you expect? They were basically shittalking in the last 2 threads constantly, I usually don't support this conflict but the BTFO is just too much for me not to laugh
What the fuck are you talking about? Goku was reserving his energy, the same that Vegeta do. Isn't about your enemy's sensory capacities but your own energy.
>SSB isn't Kaioken and Black
Who's talking about Kaioken?
Holy shit I can't believe Superfags who never read or watched the original exist. Do yourselves a favor and read the original because unlike Super it's actually pretty good
You have no clue what the actual fuck you are talking about.
The very same page linked above clearly states Goku is squeezing and rationing every bit of stamina.
The stamina drain of SSB is a similar concept and it's logical to only use it sparingly for brief moments.
You can shut the fuck up now because you're rambling at this point.
I don't care, winning an argument on the Internet isn't something to be proud.
Those who shit on the Anime everytime
Those who shit on the Manga everytime
What does it bring to you?
Create your own thread.
he was using kaioken x2, no? iirc he first powers up to 120.000 (kaioken), but that's only even to ginyu. so he uses another (kaioken x2) and shows him how much stronger he is
>Please tell me that Vegeta didn't essentially do another form of training for a specific form to minimize energy loss just like Goku and Gohan did in the Cell Games for similar results, that would be totally unprecedented and not at all logical
>even with the stamina drain would be able to destroy a SSB Vegeta without stamina problems
As you can see he can't. Also vegeta was one year in rosat and also improved in strength