The World of Moral Reversal

>>154725504
what is this?

>>154725746
The name is literally the title..

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>>154725746
It's a non-h adaption of a hentai manga.

>premise is reversed gender roles
>the entire doujinshi is just standard guy fucks girl and she likes it, nothing more
Boring. Why go with a premise and then immediately forget about it? It's like femdom doujinshi with one page before
>can't beat the cock
chimes in.

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Smooth move, Amahara.

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Even smoother

>>154727764
What you wanted a male version of emergence?

>>154725504
I don't know. Amahara's shittyass art kind of grew on me. Without sex the whole series feels like nothing is happening

>>154728081
This is such a japanese thing. They're so used to girls prostituting themselves that it's the first thought they get.
You'd think it would get better now that they're economically ok, but no.

>>154727764
Setting it in a reverse world was just an excuse to make really horny girls without it being seen as "weird" or something. Though I wouldn't complain if a later installment was about Chad-ettes.

>>154728104
It's in the same magazine as Aur-sama, they will show sex happening eventually.

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>>154725504
This is literally my fetish.

>>154725504
I'd pay to live an a world like this. Women have it so easy and in the end they even have the real poswer.

>>154725504
The way your describing it makaes it sound sjw as hell honestly.

I love this premise but the hentai had better story telling. Everything that wasn't directly ripped from the hentai was not fun to read.

>>154726286
fuck that was good

>>154728140
Are you retarded

>A loli will never grope your doctor dick

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>>154726286
You can't make this shit up

>>154731722
I like the original art better. It's rougher, but it has more personality.

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I'll appreciate it for giving a better look at the place the two MCs were dumped into, but sometimes Amahara's opposite ideas can get out of hand.
>Warlord cafe

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The non-H manga is lame. All the interest originally was from the idea of putting a regular guy in a world where women lust over men the same way men lust over women in our world and how he takes advantage of it. If you change the MC into a girl instead, of course shes just gonna be grossed out about how pervy all the women in this world are and then proceed to not do much of anything about it other than just be grossed out all the time. Its just the same shit over and over with no actual sex in it. Its pointless and boring

>>154733487
I kind of agree but I'm gonna give it some time before giving up on it, since I love the original so much.

>>154731722
>Left Page
What the fuck is wrong with the aaaaaaaaaaaaart ?

>>154725504
>>Women walking with their tits out is the norm
Don't see any of it.

>>154733648
It's better than the right page.

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>>154728096
The genderswapped plot idea is catching fire with some artists. It's only a matter of time.

So its just retarded non-logical pandering. If they would atleast give a reason why the physically superior is the one being submissive, but no just brainless beta male pandering with the occasional boob so they can pretend their readerbase isn't completely composed of nu-males.

>>154733693
It isn't from technical perspective.

>>154733912
>why the physically superior is the one being submissive

Because of the personality shift, my little troll.

>>154734013
No, but art isn't purely technical.

>>154734022
>personality shift
>what are hormones
Fuck you people and fuck this delusional writing

>>154731722
So that's a new artist doing it while the original author is just writing it?

>>154734118
it's a fetish comic, stop being such a buttmad MRA retard

>>154734061
Sure, why would anyone care about fundamentals, right? It's all about drawing porn badly.

What about clothing? wouldn't the "style" of like uniforms get swapped too to fit the moral reversal?

>>154734176
Fundamentals are good, but they don't automatically make your art appealing.

>>154734217
The art here is definitely appealing though, the expressions are good too.

>>154734118
Its called suspension of disbelief. You use it to differentiate from fiction and reality you austist.
>>>>/r9k/

>>154734253
generic weebshit isn't appealing for anyone not retarded

>>154734163
>MRA boogieman
I just want a realistic setting for this as i do like the idea, but not the way its presented and how its framing being the submissive gender in society. Its extremly delusional and quite frankly just retarded.

>>154734213
What, like tighter shirts on the boys? I'm not exactly sure what non-dick things on a guy you could accentuate with a gakuran or standard blazer/slacks combo.

>>154734374
while I appreciate an autistic level of evolutionary psychology in my pornography, sometimes "just because" is fine enough

though I didn't like the doujin because it was way too vanilla for my degenerate sexuality

>>154734329
Do you have to be such a special snowflake, anon?
In the h-version he's unable to draw a straight lines.

>>154734241
EGO DANCE's twitter. Sadly only that one page.

>>154734329
>weebshit
Do you even know where you are?

>>154725504
>MC in the original h-manga doesn't get gang-raped by girls and humiliated for being a slut

DROPPED

>>154734501
Well, thanks anyways.

>>154734374
I agree, it is pretty superficial even for manga levels of retardation.

>>154734374
>>154734481

It could've easily been addressed just by making the average women taller and stronger than the average man, and having the male characters look like shotas/bishounen or something.

>>154734543
just because the japs make some quality cartoons and comics doesn't mean that I have to mindlessly eat up all the mediocre shit they put out
>>154734482
yeah but it's more lively
the non-h version is just derivative, plus look at that fucking trash male anatomy in the op image lol, he has klinefelters hips

>>154733648
Who cares about the art style, the whole premise gets my dick ROCK SOLID

>>154734559
>humiliated
>by having sex with 2 or more women at the same time

He would literally be asking for it, they wouldn't even need to rape him.

>>154734755
>he has klinefelters hips
It's good anatomy for manlets, and nips are manlets so I don't see the problem.

>>154734912
Read some clover.

>>154734143
Yeah but it would be better if he made an original manga like KAWASAKI Tadataka did

>>154734387
Slacks have to be tighter around the rear, shirts might have to be downsized 2 sizes too small, and collarbones should be visible. Like how serafuku need to have that "wanna tear it open" factor to get to the prizes inside. They're designed that way in a lot of girl manga.

>>154734711
Exactly, also just making new hormones up or genreally arguing with homones in mind would have been a much simpler and more satisfying resolution. I think if you come up with such a scenario that would have to be the least they should've implemented.

>>154734118
This feels like complaining that the magic in a fantasy story doesn't uphold the principle of conservation of energy. For the premise to work in the first place, any presumptions about male physiology and how it affects behaviour go out of the window anyway, so there's little point in bringing it up.

>>154735466
With the difference that this isn't isekai or fantasy shit, it's claiming to be a realistic but gender reversed society. So there is definitely a point to be made about logic, as you could imagine a world like this if the premise fits atleast atleast around 80-90% with the realistic portrail of both gender.

>>154733912
>this butthurt when 50% of all manga has some type of magical energy in it
You must really have a fragile ego.

>>154735697
Does this manga have magic as a major plot point? What is your point?

>>154734253
It's bland and mediocre. The orginals, while certainly inferior from a technical standpoint, have far more personality. Better use of contrast too.

>>154734711
Look, I have an amazoness fetish just like any red-blooded male, but the point here is to have the world nearly be the same. If males are inferior women physically in that world, then the muscle-based attraction wouldn't make sense, you'd just be replacing men with traps pretty much.

>>154735944
Well, that would have not only be more accurate but also objectively better.

>>154736026
It would also have a completely different appeal. Your fetish isn't inherently better than the author's, anon.

>>154736107
No, the submissive gender has to be muscleless otherwise a gender reversed society just caters to delusional opinions.

>>154735944
>then the muscle-based attraction wouldn't make sense

1. sure it could, it would just be a niche thing. similar to how there's a fetish for virtually every kind of woman in our world.

2. there's no reason the world would be radically different, you'd just have that the slender bishounen body in our world is the mainstream standard for attractiveness in their world. and women would be expected to work out. otherwise you'd have the same story as this one, and keeping both genders recognizable.

If you're just asking for women to lust over muscled men, well, how different is that from our world? It's basically just your average bara comic, but without the gay.

>>154732789
>warlord cafe
Just like my american cartoons

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>>154736246
>well, how different is that from our world?

It's not supposed to be, outside the fact tath women are the ones who are assertive and sexually aggressive, whereas the men are sexually passive. This ultimately puts the women at the disadvantage, anyway, which is WHY the concept is interesting in the first place.

But the better question is will we get to see slut-kun corrupt her?

>>154735615
It's not high fantasy, but it is fantasy. And it makes no claims of realism beyond being set in a world that greatly resembles ours except for this one small tweak. Of course, realistically speaking, this one small tweak would greatly affect the culture and physiology of that world's inhabitants and the fact that that world resembles ours at all is far less believable than the notion of the physically stronger sex being submissive to the physically weaker one (which isn't even unprecedented in our world).

Out of curiosity, do you expect Urusei Yatsura, which is mostly set in 70s-80s Japan, to explain what organ Lum is using to generate electricity and what mechanism is involved in her avoiding getting electrically shocked by herself or do you simply accept the explanation of "she's an alien"?

>>154736371
But if it doesn't do a worthwhile protrail of both genders by disregarding the most important factors responsible for being in that position of power, it reaches a point where it becomes just fanfiction with no credibility whatsoever.

>>154735856
> the legendary "original with shit art" that is somehow way better than the new art because buzzwords

Yeah, and Murata's art is super bland while ONE's is the ultimate work of art right?

>>154736371
>It's not supposed to be
I'm talking about the appeal of the comic. I mean, why read this when there are already women lusting after muscled men in other manga? The interesting thing would be that the power dynamics are reversed, you'd really be put into the average woman's shoes as being highly desirable but also vulnerable.

What bothers me is less the internal logic of the world, and more that it just doesn't really do anything with this interesting idea.

>>154736583
>comparing murata with this mediocre hack

>>154736579
>But if it doesn't do a worthwhile protrail of both genders by disregarding the most important factors responsible for being in that position of power
And yet it makes the situation much more interesting for it. If you had it your way, the only difference would be women would have a penis and men would have a vagina.

>>154736583
No, Murata is a fantastic artist in technique and style that blows ONE's art away, even though ONE's scribbles do have certain qualities to them and can be enjoyed on their own.
Try again.

>>154736568
As i wrote it doesn't even have to be 100% accurate, i just want the basic premise to not be dogshit. And sure there are people attracted to phisically weaker personalities, but does that warrant this kind of premise for society as a whole especially when considering how attraction works in the first place?

>>154736761
What, where did i write shit about genitals?
Can you quote me on that?

>>154736872
If you turn women into the evolutionarily dominant, muscled gender, and turn men into the physically weaker, evolutionary submissive gender, then you're changing everything to the point where the only thing that's different is the genitals of each gender. Women would be men in all ways but the penis, men would be women in all ways but the vagina, and the world would be literally the same.

>>154736978
No like another anon said, amazones are probably the best way to solve this. It also would make the story far MORE interesting to read, so i guess we can agree to disagree here.

>>154736978
Eh, I think we're just going to have to disagree about what we find interesting.

>>154725504
I feel like this is telling me to check my privilege.

>>154733487
This would all be solved is the FeMC was a perv too, and then compares and contrasts her perversions with the perversions in this world.

>>154736815
I was actually referring to matriarchies, not individual men that happen to have submissive personalities, when I mentioned that it was not unprecedented in our world.

>>154736978
It's just fans complaining that it isn't their specific fetishist that is being cattered.

>>154732789
>warlord Cafe
You could do so much better than that. An onnagata cafe, a reverse trap cafe, host clubs are overwhelmingly the norm, literally anything but warlords.

>>154728207
That's my biggest problem with it, aside from the male anatomy in this world being pure shite. It's kind of exploring the world as it applies to boys as well, but more than anything it's about the girls. You could literally make any other story if you wanted to do that.

>>154725504
I LOVE this premise. I only ever found one doujin series with that theme. The art was low-tier and it had a fucking mosaic, but it was translated and holy shit was it fun both in the sexual and comedic sense.

If someone gives a list of material, both hentai and not, I would be super grateful. There isn't even a tag for this on panda.

>>154737554
That was the opposite to the applied reasoning i did, but i guess the shit posting has to start again at some point in this thread.

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>>154725504
So I suppose this manga is gonna have male tsunderes beating the shit out of women for being "perverts", right?

>>154737721
Yah, this discussion was way to civil for /a/ standards

>>154733648
Amahara's writing compensates for his drawing skills.

>>154737502
I think in some cases matriarchies have women in the political positions of power, where the men are just expected to do the heavy lifting and protect their kin. Or they could just reduce them to sperm factories, which is where all the sexualization could come from.

>>154737656
This is the spinoff of that doujin dude.

>>154737803
>that one tsundere who keeps getting accidentally groped by the FeMC
>that one genderswapped fujoshi who keeps fantasizing about the FeMC making out with other girls
>that one boy with the huge cock who's completely unaware that the girls are always checking out his package at the pool

>>154737803
I hope so.
But in the H-version, the delinquent girls didn't show a violent reaction/rape. Still, I hope there's some boy gyaru out there.

>>154738036
Yeah, I noticed already, but are you telling me there's nothing like it out there? There has to be! I've read a few stories on the subject that were more or less OK, but I had real trouble finding any more manga like that.

>>154738239
>slutty blond, tanned Jaapnese boy
I want this.

>>154733487
>>154733519
Same on both. The idea had great potential for a non-h manga but I can't see it working with a female MC. There's just less to do with her, less ideas to explore and shit.

I'm going to stay with it for now in hopes he somehow pulls it off or the male mc eventually shows up, cuz the original was a great read. Which still hasn't been fully translated for some odd reason.

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>you will never be sexually objectified by women
>you will never get to be a trashy manslut

>>154735766
Not him, but the MC woke up from a hospital stay in an alternate reality where gender roles are reversed. So yes. There's magic or gods or some kind of isekai shit going on here. It's the entire premise.

>>154736167
>caters to delusional opinions
Nah, it caters to fetishes. Which was the whole point of the original doujin.

>>154738120
>No gentle giant character that the girls want to bully because of his height and size
>No cute bishounens doing cute things shows to endlessly gossip about
>No Tawawa on Friday about men's pecs or asses on glorious weekly display

>>154739140
No you don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EKTw50Uf8M

>>154738239
I think they were too stunned by a guy coming on to them out of nowhere and fucking them silly for no reason but he felt like it to do anything but sit there.

>>154738120
>completely unaware
>realism
Pick one.

More like he's painfully aware and tries to wear really tight underwear to hide it. But horror! — the stares make him chub-up! He's confused and embarrassed! Will he trust the owner lady of a certain "adult" shop who proposes to solve his not so little problem with a cock cage? She seems so kind and helpful. It's an expensive item of course, so she'll keep the key until he pays her back, it's only fair and is certainly reasonable...

>>154739936
How is that comparable? The type I want would be feminine. Basically a trap.

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>they changed MC's gender

>>154739767
But just waking up in an alternative reality doesn't mean that the premise is centered around magic, as a matter of fact there is no mentioning of magic anywhere. So no, if it displays just "regular" society the premise doesn't change.

>>154739936
Yes, you do.
GO GO GO GO

>>154740157
I do wonder how erections would be viewed in that world. There would be so much potential.

It would be a huge prideful thing and point of competition for girls to give boys boners. It'd be even more shameful for boys to get them than in our world.

>>154740253
It's that or having a faggot male MC. Make sense to do thiw for a non h series really.

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>>154731722
NO.

I DON'T LIKE IT.

The whole reason the original was so top-tier was because of the story AND the unique art. This new crap is just no good.

>>154740733
> it was top tier because the art was garbage

>>154740253
It's salvageable if the feMC slowly finds her mentality shifting to match the normal female mentality of this new world and suddenly catches herself lustfully ogling bulges and jilling to thoughts of cock.

>>154740481
I would imagine it would be comparable to a girl getting hard nipples that you can see trough her shirt, but bigger of a deal.

>>154740212
We already have a lot of that in the hentai scene. The point of this world is to have masculine features fetishized, so making a girly looking boy goes against the point.

In this world it's either be gyaruos or charaos iirc.

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>>154740773
Your TASTE is garbage.

>>154740956
> MUH super unique shit looking art

It's bearable but not important in the least. New art is much better.

>>154741036
No it isn't. Idiots like you don't get it at all.

>>154741036
>>154741071
You're both wrong. Old art was raw as fuck, good for a comedy manga, shit for porn or action. New art is polished but bland, OK for any genre, good for none. So since the material is a pornographic comedy both are equally meh.

>>154725504
>Sperm ?ry
>Original Craft Beer

Would you taste it, /a/?

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>>154737993
Give the women faster gestation time and twins/triplets all the time. Skew the sex ratio so more females are born than males. Males are now sperm factories to be protected; females are the historical cannon fodder.

There we go. Roles changed purely due to ratio/quantity. You can even do twists in their modern times with troubles over the issue like artificial insemination, sex selective abortion, dowries, and so on. It may be all bullshit, but it's fun to play with.

>>154741625
Once.

>>154740881
>We already have a lot of that in the hentai scene.

Straight traps/femboys who get lusted for to the point of being treated like sluts? There definitely aren't, and trust me I've looked.

>>154741827
If you want rape to be a thing you'd have to make it so that there are lighter consequences for getting pregnant.

Either impregnation is only possible with medical technology and lots of planning, or it's just far more convenient / less painful but also less likely to happen for some biological reason.

>>154742201
Make chances of impregnation much lower than usual, so that even having sex 10 times with a fertile couple doesn't guarantee a kid.

Also for most people rape is a psychological issue, not just a physical one. It's about being used against your will and having your dignity as a human being trampled upon. But if you really want to put the biological cherry on top, make men lose strength in their body whenever they have sex. Take the whole "knee-shattering orgasm" to a new level.

>>154740157
>it starts with her molesting him to "relieve pressure"
>it ends with him being whored out
Why are bad ends so common in non-vanilla hentai?

>>154742062
Would they be the tomboys of this world, or just a niche fetish like muscle girls are here?

I'm guessing a male tomboy (purely for fetishy reasons) would be a guy who likes to do girly things or act a little girly, but is still very physically masculine and wants to be seen as such. The gap moe of that would be off the charts.

Where can I read the H version?

>>154743806
www.google.com

>>154731722
Remake looks generic as fuck.

I blame all these manga drawing tutorials.

>>154744217
You ever sitting around on the weekend and find yourself thinking "Boy, I wish I could draw really good Muscle Elf?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjJb6DMlJ1Y

>>154725504
Thanks, OP

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>>154744447
As a matter of fact I do.

But I want mine to look more like this.

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Thanks, /a/.

>>154744447
Would love to be able to draw anything decent at all.
Maybe I would start a comics or illustrated book then.

>>154745034
If it's any consolation you wouldn't. You'd still be the lazy worthless fuck you are now. Having talent isn't the same as having drive.

>>154745071
Such is life.

>Non-H
Fucking dropped. Why would I read this over the original again?

>>154737633
Why not a Butler Cafe? I think Ikebukuro has a few of those.

>>154740253
Because we already saw what happens with a male mc.

>>154746344
Only good in this setting if the outfits are tight and form fitting or otherwise revealing.

>>154746837
A slutty male MC.

>>154747619
Then make it an MC that's more like an MC's bro type of character. Or if they keep it female, somewhere along the lines of >>154737391.

>>154731722
Same artist?

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>>154731722
I enjoy the original art but this one looks plenty good in a different way, it's far from being as generic as some says.

I agree about the setting of a normal girl in this world not being as interesting though. Let's wait to see how they'll develop it, the original was about taking on "the slut side", the non h manga could still be interesting in a different way, or could become generic as hell.

>>154749049
>>154731722
The original author still seems to write the story so it should probably be fine, except if he gets a shitty editor I guess.

>>154747581
Erune shirts.

>>154749049
If it has no H with a male MC it just becomes another generic harem.

>>154749501
Ideal and accepted.

>>154742201
Hell, give human women the reproductive tricks of the cockroach: stores sperm in her womb, and not only decides when to get pregnant, but which partner's sperm to use.

>>154732789
where can you read the raws?

So men don't do science in this setting?

>>154751364
They have the first and the latest on the page on valkyrie, but somebody ripped all of them last time a Teisou thread was up.
http://www56.zippyshare.com/v/qLTG0TTh/file.html

I get the feeling that this is going to turn into a reverse harem

>>154754024
Oh my god, there is actually a chapter about girls writing a hentai doujin with the same premise as the original hentai doujin, but with the genders reversed

>>154755301
Will not, focuses too much on the girls to do so.

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>>154749501
Nothing better than an erune butler.