What's with the whole blonde hair blue eyes thing anyway with the conveniently human looking xenos anyway? Bitch I've been rocking the Aryan style and you don't see me crying home about it.
safe bets? safe bets
toppo apologizes to son goku
at least your waifu was an option
I had to pick others
never said whis is my waifu/husbando
Did I now? He is really expressive
Smugpup is pretty much the go to blank slate for those who don't like supporting the current cast of Dragon Ball Super. He's a character that appears for less than a second in the opening scene.
That's it. Im getting sick and tired of DBS' inconsistency.
Dragon Ball and DBZ was consistent as fuck. There was never a plothole at all.
But in Super there is a huge one, and by huge I mean HUGE.
Everyone saw the last Tournament between U6 and U7. Including Zeno.
That tournament was dominated by U7 fighters, they DID WON.
Not to mention Beerus is way stronger than Champa.
So you can't say "ningens lost, but the Hakaishin is stronger".
Now how the fuck is Universe 6 is superior to Universe 7???
> If you would say it's TOei's fault, I 'd believe that!
But he will never be as cool as Liqueel/Rikeeru.
I don't so much dislike the characters of Dragon Ball Super, but I voted Smugpup because the loyalists towards the other characters eventually boil down to shitposting against each other and calling each other faggots or retards.
Smugpup just represented that neutral area of DBS General threads.
More of this
Is anyone else hoping for Super Saiyan Rage to make an appearance in the manga purely because this is the last chance we'll ever get for an explanation of what the fuck it even is supposed to be??
Even if it's just one fucking sentence of explanation, I just want something.
Very excited to see the climax and how this arc ends.
>It was Toriyama who fucked up back in the Cell saga.
toyofags everyone, toyo changed it in the manga not toriyama, the anime doesn't have the bullshit too, geekdoom proved you toyofags already wrong
I know you're trying to start that annoying anime vs manga shit again, but that guy is right. Read the last chapter of the Cell saga and you will see Trunks waiting 3 years for the time machine to recharge, instead of the 8 months he waited earlier in the saga.
Now fuck off back to youtube, faggot.
Geekdom was proven wrong you dumb fucking newfag.
Daizenshuu's dates were retconned but it was a small price to pay to keep new content consistent with the old manga.
Well given most of the options would probably murder you, I thinking fugging the smug or being fugged by the smug is one of the more valid options.
Probably one of the only candidates on the list outside of Shu who's either underage or a midget who wouldn't outright kill you.
>you can only get SSG via ritual
>Vegeta gets it in the ROSAT
>SS Black wrecked SSB Vegeta
>SSG Vegeta wins against SSR Black by switching between SSB and SSG
>SSB takes 90% of your power if you turn it off and on again
>Vegeta does exactly that and still wins
>Toyocucks will defend this
>mangafags calling anyone who remotely likes any aspect of the anime toeishills
>animefags calling anyone who prefers parts of the manga to the anime toyocucks
>nonstop shitposting for several weeks
>Smugpup will defend this
Not one bit. I fucking hate gay fags and now there's people talking about cucks? I mean what the fuck happened to this place. What the fuck is wrong with you all? Have some self respect and pride for fucks sake.
Reminder that Goku's name is "Gokou"
Beerus is "Beers"
Buu is "Boo"
Mr. Satan real name is "Mark"
17 and 18 names are "Lapis" and "Lazuli"
and nobody knows Turtle Hermit's name, same about his sister
>Toyotaro manages to keep best form (aka SSG) and make it work with SSB as two actual useful forms you must use it properly to win, forcing Goku and Vegeta to be more strategic
>"T-Toyble is obsessed with SSG!"
Are some brains too simple to handle more than the "new SS2 - now it's blue instead spikier!" that SSB is in the anime?
look in his eyes and spook yourselves
look at his mannerisms. I would rather die to kid buu
Surprisingly enough most, almost all of the hardcore homophobic people I used to know who used to chant death to all fags turned out to be the most disgustingly flamboyant homofags who turn hardcore SJW as well, or threw their money at something and joined a gay hating group made up to try make the gay go away (some of them still turned out to be gay after doing this).
When I see you hating on them like this you just remind me of them.
Sad thing is I can't tell what's more pathetic. Most probably the oversensitive SJWs they've become.
Spend half their lives getting pissy at people they don't want to associate with. Spend the second half of their lives getting pissy at people who refuse to associate with them.
So do any of you remember that time when Lupin disguised himself as Vegeta bsck on the Namek Saga?
I liked that episode.
Eh? Pink!? Why are you that color?
Your taste in style couldn't comprehend. This form is called... SUPER SAIAYN ROSÉ.
The fuck is Rosé? Isn't that pink?
Yeah it's pink
This Pink bastard
Lies this one is the good accurate translation>>154729565
Whis actually turned me gay or atleast bi. Have fapped to him many times
When is Piccolo gonna get the red eyed Namekian form?
Hey it's not too hard to get started, look up a list of Katakana and Hiragana and memorize one row at a time and you'll be on your way with the basics - If you want I can link you to sites to get you started, I mean I lived over in Japan for a while so I guess I have an unfair advantage.
What was going through Vegeta's head here?
More importantly, what was going through Goku's head?
>this kid saved my life how many times now?
"Man all this thinking of food is making me hungry for fighting, if only I could eat punches, then life would be good. Mmm punches. I wonder if in another Universe, fighting is food, maybe I should ask Zen-O if he can make a Universal Fighting tournament so I can eat fighting."
>I bet Vegeta wants to fuck Gohan
>He's even lost his gi!
>"Hey Gohan help me with this"
I'm sick of Gohan's lies
Am I the only one who liked the tracksuit?
I dunno what to feel about the Black Saga between Anime and Manga
Yes, the fucking anime had horrible pacing, animation or power level inconsistencies, but at least Black was menacing, smug and Trunks (even though he became a Gary Stu) was actually useful and destroy the "Goku wins lol" trope
On the other side, the manga Is better paced, Goku Is not a fucking retard and the power levels are coherent, but Black acting like a salty bitch when losing, Trunks being irrelevant and the saga becoming "Goku and Vegeta win lol" makes it disappointing.
They got blacked but not at that moment
If there isn't a manga version of pic related, then there should be
>but Black acting like a salty bitch when losing,
You mean like this?
Fuck man toyotaro dropped the ball on this one ffs.
I overlooked the mess that was the nonsensical powerscaling during black ssj vs vegeta ssj2/blue but this shit right here makes no sense.
Vegeta switching from red to blue every time he attacks goes against what he established about the form's drawback.
Other things that piss me off is that he doesnt bother making good choreography anymore and that goku never managed to face black at all.
She was kinda interested at the start when they fought and she liked him after he got rid of her bomb.
But in reality, Toriyama can't write women and she became subservient to the first strong man as soon as she stopped fighting.
>Black was menacing
Black and Zamasu are incompetent as fuck in the anime.
>Trunks beign irrelevant
>saves Goku from being killed and his body stolen by Zamasu
>saves everyone's lifes blinding Zamasu and Black (no fucking gas)
>saves Goku and Vegeta again fighting Zamasu and Black being only SS3 tier (helped by his based waifu)
>manages to survive against Rosé Black (without asspulls, I mean) and will defeat merged Zamasu using the Genki-sword
>Black acting like a salty bitch when losing
I don't get this one. Black being angry is bad? Also that was in the anime too >>154732700
>inb4 but he recovered
Yeah, with another asspull in filler. Zamasu is almost sealed and Black is defeated by Vegeta, that's canon, Black becoming stronger again and mixting Bleach and Naruto to fight Vegeta again is filler.
>the saga becoming "Goku and Vegeta win lol"
That's the same in both versions, that's Toriyama outline.
I know how you feel I only followed super because at least we had one medium who isnt total shite with the manga but toyotaro is pushing so much of his own shit into it its kinda garbage.
Anime was a shitshow from the start but now the manga disappoints too in a monthly basis thats not good. I might drop the whole super crap
that db gals line
>he thought Bardock was going SSJ
>not going Brilliant Scientist God
Toyo's obsession with ssg is ruining the manga I understood it when he used it against hit which was a brilliant way of using it and made more sense than kaioken x10.
But vegeta's way of using really makes no sense and like you said contradicts itself. Also agree as well that the fights in the manga have been boring lately
I am a manga fan but stop sucking the guy's dick so much . Vegeta's use of ssg and ssb combination makes no sense and contradicts with what whis said not to mention toyo's powerscale is fucking garbage since chapter 19
>he was smug
>even when losing never lost his edge
He was Vegeta bitch, Toriyama wants Black to be Vegeta's bitch, doesn't matter how much you cry about it.
>Black looks worried when he isn't dominating
So manga-Black is like... anyone with a brain? If you are in problems you are in problems, pretend like you aren't would not help you.
I love how Toyotaro found a logical way to have Black keep increasing in strength and not contradict the statements made during the Ginyu fight.
I mean the fanbase has always been talking about how the Saiyans should just exploit the hell out of Zenkai and now we have a villain who does exactly that. Way more interesting than Anime Black where he arbitrarily just becomes stronger whenever he begins to lose.
>Vegeta's use of ssg and ssb combination makes no sense and contradicts with what whis said not to mention toyo's powerscale is fucking garbage since chapter 19
You don't know this you fucking idiot.
The same was said when vegeta beat black so easily. I remember tons of people usimg headcanon like "black wasn't even trying durr" no toyo is becoming more and more shit and cant write for shit
>So manga-Black is like... anyone with a brain? If you are in problems you are in problems, pretend like you aren't would not help you.
>This character trait is uncommon therefore no one can have it
Some leaks have been translated I am just going with what we know and so far toyo contradicts itself. If yhere was a valid explanation to it why wasnt there a leak of it? Because there probably is none
>I am a manga fan
Yeah, sure you are
>Vegeta's use of ssg and ssb combination makes no sense and contradicts with what whis said
>*Vegeta's use of SSG and SSB combination makes no sense because contradicts with what Whis said
Toyotaro forgot SSB cooldown, I know, so? Is the manga ruined because Toyotaro finally make a mistake? I guess such a thing as a good DB series don't exist, then.
>not to mention toyo's powerscale is fucking garbage since chapter 19
>He was Vegeta bitch, Toriyama wants Black to be Vegeta's bitch, doesn't matter how much you cry about it.
Also anime black never lost his cool or sperged out when vegeta beat him in the anime not to mention in the manga vegeta is 2-1 against black
thank Toriyama for that
>Speaking of women who fight, there is No. 18.
>Toriyama:Ah, that’s right. No. 18 becomes Kuririn’s wife in the end.
>Nozawa:Ah, I was surprised at that, too! All the voice actors wondered, “Why did she choose Kuririn?” (laughs)
>Toriyama:Kuririn was originally supposed to be just a minor role, so to have him become Goku’s best friend in the blink of an eye…
>Koyama:Well, he is the strongest Earthling male.
>Toriyama:You’re right, he is the strongest among the Earthlings. But in spite of that, he tends to end up in a bad way, so I thought, “once in a while, I have to let him be happy,” and had him get married. (laughs)
>Also anime black never lost his cool
Why do animefags always lie?
>Toyotaro forgot SSB cooldown, I know, so? Is the manga ruined because Toyotaro finally make a mistake?
The guy has been making mistakes every two chapters now thats way too fucking much. Yes mistakes takes away from enjoying something sry that I like stuff that isnt braindead why do you think people hate the anime? Because its retarded as fuck and I hoped the manga wouldnt end up like that
>Still discussing a fucking chapter that isn't out, not even translated
DB fanbase was always autistic, but this is too much
But that's what happened, he wanted another zenkai. Are you literally retarded? Chapter 19 apparently was inconsistent and toeshills screamed like autist but chapter 20 shut them up
Nice job putting words in my mouth, toeishill. Toyotaro make a mistake, which is a shame, but not the end of the world. I wonder why you don't say the same to the anime.
>a CENTRAL PLOT POINT in a fight that COMPLETELY DESTROYED Vegeta
And nice job exaggerating a cooldown and a losing in a deportive tournament.
>I'll take the W
> no argument
> youtube tier response
Discuss like an adult or fuck off to fb you underage dumbfuck.
Show me in the manga where black was surpressing himself in the fight against vegeta I am waiting. The only thing you showed me is that black used zenkai. Wow big fucking deal. The zenkai itself makes little sense since blacks jumps from ssj to ssgss
It may not have completely destroyed Vegeta, but it's definitely one of the big factors for his loss; and yes it IS central, because Goku overcame that problem with the use of SSG.
>Nice job putting words in my mouth
>>I know, so?
>Same thing happened with the animators
>Full chapter isn't out
>If it weren't for the head, I would've thought that was a Chun-Li figure.
Chi Chi just can't compare with Chun in thighs
Fuck man, why did the Goku Black model in Xenoverse have to be skinny?
Blue is skinnier than Base Goku too.
Ok guys lets end this shit.
Wait for the fucking chapter to drop out with translation. If there is still no explanation to it then yes toyo fucked up until then shut your fucking mouths.
Also today is episode day so focus oj that
Toyotaro is a very shit writer and his involvement in this franchise was a mistake. He continues to bring in fan fiction-tier shit and he fails in story and character development.
>he made fem!broly
>What I receive from Toriyama is literally words on paper, without drawings or anything. So when I'm reading it, I have to fill in the blanks as far as the specifics are concerned. I think of what kinds of expressions the characters wear, which way they're looking when they say a certain line. Many times, Toriyama-sensei doesn't give me specific feedback on the details that I fill in, so I put a lot of thought into those aspects, knowing that my interpretation is what the readers will see.
>I would love to have Toriyama just sit next to me so I could ask him questions all the time, but unfortunately, I can't!
Take into account this is the latest info we got from how the manga is developed
Seriously, Toyofags are in a laughable damage control
>Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking
>it's definitely one of the big factors for his loss
Yeah that's why I'm saying you are overacting because lose a match in a tournament isn't "destroy" Vegeta.
>Goku overcame that problem with the use of SSG.
That's wrong, though. Goku only use SSB once, he doesn't needed anything to overcame the cooldown, he use SSG to cheat Hit, force him to use all his power and then break the technique again by go stronger again with SSB.
>I know, so?
How "so?" means "I'm totally ignoring the thing"? I'm just not acting autist. It was inconsistent? Yeah, and that's not enough to go that sperg
It was no surprise that, he was just picked up as a Toei, Toriyama and now Dragon Ball room slavecuck. Puristsfags can take as "official" the details that happens in both anime and manga, while ignore the filler shit Toei and Cuckotaro adds
Nah, Toyotaro is worse than Philippine Toei in the writing aspect, he is a fan of the work but it's not creative when it comes to interesting ideas
Sorry, but the pacing in the manga and the story presentation is simply terrible.
If you enjoy it because you hate Toei's anime or because of the artwork that is fine, but don't come here pretending it is some perfect masterpiece for it is BS.
The fights are simply lackluster and no hype at all, Toyotaro cannot even begin to touch the talent of Toriyama's shadow.
They should just take some DNA samples of Toriyama to clone him at some point in the future.
We didn't even get Fat Buu in te filler. Feels bad man.
>Goku jumps from Ginyu tier to final form Freeza
While, in the manga..
But anon, they're able to react faster than the speed of light. Technically they should have been able to throw the gas bombs to space and kill everyone who was around the perimeter faster than a blink of an eye.
>Toriyama outline: Kibito and Shin defuse
>Toyotaro: Well, BoG arc is a good moment to introduce Champa as a misterious Beerus-like deity so I'll make Champa raid Beerus' universe (taking advantage of that Beerus is busy fighting) searching for the DBs with Vados. Then, Kibitoshin and the old Kaioshin discover they are talking about the "Wish Jewels" so they realize that they are talking about DBs and teleport to Namek to take them. Champa and Vados visit the Kaioshin in their planet so this will make the mistery more interesting (who is this god called Champa? Another Hakaishin? Fans will truly theorize!) and finally Kibitoshin use the DBs to defuse, which disperse the DBs around New Namek again
>Toei: Kibitoshin? Y-YEAH, I DIDN'T FORGOT IT..! Well... hum... Kibito and Shin just appear in Champa's tournament and say "we defused with namekian DBs lol"
Toyotaro is a very shit writer
From Daizenshuu 7:
How did Kuririn and #18 get married?
"A lot happened in that seven-year period. #18 had never met someone like Kuririn, so honest and unsophisticated. You could say that she gradually came to fall for him. At least, in my head that's the sort of love story that I thought would do it. For Bulma and Vegeta too, I guess. However, I definitely wouldn't draw that in the manga. It'd just be embarrassing. I leave that kind of lovey-dovey stuff to my friend Masakazu Katsura ."
In other words, just what he did with Senbei and Midori.
>Trunks survived, but how?
>Toyotaro: There's some useful characters overthere, you know. Based Shin and Gowasu use their time rings and teleport powers and they save Trunks and Mai from an insured death
>Toei: lol who cares he just did it now see this gag with future Yajirobe
Toyotaro is a very shit writer
>Black: Shit, a Kaioshin discovered our plan
>Zamasu: If they report to Zeno we are fucked, better end this shit and go to another planet
>Black: Yeah, time to go serious
>when Shin and Gowasu react all remaining humans are already dead
>a fucking year trying to destroy the humanity seriously
>dozens of humans still alive and not only in the city (see #8 and more humans living in mountains)
>defeated by gas
>they need to fuse each other and with the entire universe to finally kill all humans
Toyotaro is a very shit writer
>Vegeta trains in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
>somehow unlocks Super Saiyan God
>beats the shit out of Black by rapidly switching between SSG and SSB without Black noticing
>Vegeta trains in Dr. Briefs' time room
>somehow unlocks Legendary Super Saiyan
>beats the shit out of Xicor by rapidly switching between SS3, SS4, and LSS without Xicor noticing
I like the manga
and the anime, but this is a blatant rehash from Toyo's AF, and just plain lazy desu
Nah, there's just one or two autists shitposting in this thread
Don't fight it, anon. It will literally happen in every single thread now because Hackiyama wants to be a lazy piece of shit and let a mangaka and an anime production studio do the work for him.
No but being (at least) above Namek-Goku means fucking clouds can't touch you because kiai so a tear gas cloud isn't a problem
>There are people that haven't read Dr. Slump and don't know how Toriyama truly is
>Trunks survived against Black and Zamasu, but how?
>Toei: He overcame his limits and got a new transformation after trying to stay useful in fights but failing due to the power differences
>Toyotaro: lol who cares he just got destroyed; it's the Goku and Vegeta show remember?
>gets asspull powerup
>to still loses
>senile old dude who shows Zamasu a race of ningen that just confirms his prejudices and shows no redeeming characteristics that would motivate Zamasu to see ningen differently
>says that justice is balancing good and evil and tells Zamasu to accept evil in the world and brew him more tea
>is more willing to take notice of the fact that in a thousand years from the present, the babari develop writing and music. Zamasu just ignores these developments.
>Gowasu tries to point out to Zamasu how the Babari stopped fighting when their religious shaman showed up, confirming that Gowasu was right about the Babari actually progressing from a degenerate state of being to a higher and more spiritual one. Again, Zamasu doesn't see this or just ignores it.
>Gowasu tells Zamasu that he understands his desire for justice, but points out that a desire for justice in the world can easily become fastidiousness
>Rather than trying to convince Zamasu to tolerate evil in the universe because of something about balance, he tries to convince Zamasu that the path to peace is best achieved by developing a sense of tolerance and knowing how to rule with a gentle and forgiving hand
>He also tells Zamasu that he must learn his place in the divine order. Even if a race like the Babari prove to be a problem, it is the Gods of Destruction's job to pass the judgement on them, not the Kais.
>When Zamasu asks then why he's been given this great power if he's not allowed to use it to punish unworthy ningen, Gowasu states that he should see it as a test designed to help him to better himself morally.
tl;dr Manga Gowasu actually behaves more like a Supreme Kai who has the experience of millenia of doing his job and following the rules to positive results
Stop comparing the manga to the anime
Manga is supposed to be te voice of reason.
Nobody gives a fuck about the anime clusterfuck.
Toyo fucking up is not good because he is the closest to toryiama's original story
That actually supports my argument. The SECOND they hear a noise or see something being thrown at them should be enough time to completely understand the situation before it even happens
But nope, the anime is like
>see bomb being thrown
>keep watching till it happens
And the funny thing is those are legit traits of the character in both versions, except one can glue them together in a very compelling way and the other doesn't.
Manga black and zamasu are trash whose personality is only shown when it's necessary for the plot to advance.
Stale pasta again?
It's like you faggots don't understand this only makes it so no one wants to listen to any of your non-arguments.
Probably ignore it because it is a retarded and lame rule Toyotaro probably included there because "muh logic and reason in a science fantasy setting". I don't know if that is worse than the anime with the random powerups(aka asspulls) for Future Trunks or not. WHY THE FUCK IS IT SO HARD FOR THEM TO MAKE A SIMPLE FIGHTING STORY WITH NO BULLSHIT OR TRYHARD STUFF IN IT? Maybe Toyotaro could actually accomplish it if he stopped adding unnecessary stuff like the Super Saiyan God forms. What does that accomplish for the enjoyment of the series? Absolutely nothing, but what can I say for the anime? STOP MAKING VEGETA JOB, TOEI. STOP MAKING GOHAN JOB. STOP MAKING PICCOLO JOB. STOP MAKING EVERYBODY JOB. I DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE JUST JOBBING FOR SOME RANDOM POWERUP OR ZENO-SAMA TO SAVE THE DAY. I don't give a fuck when Bra will be born, I don't give a fuck about Kart racing, I want fights. GOOD FIGHTS. ALL I WANT. IS IT SO HARD? Fuck this series, it is the another side of GT's coin.
Why even bother going to another timeline in the manga?
Why bringing trunks back here?
You can just drop trunks, mai and the other, just keep vegeta and goku then it's the same shit.
just his real place in this arc.
Better question is why Trunks and Shin are still alive.
Anyone who hates Christians simply because they are Christians is a fucking retard on par with the retardation of someone who hates someone else for liking a different set of genitals.
Please mature or kill yourself.
>Vegeta was on par with first form Freeza
>Still weaker than final form Freeza using 1%
>Goku can't beat Ginyu without Kaioken
>Can fight against final form Freeza using 1%, without kaioken
>samefag is /a/ now
Not how it works but ok
>Freeza using 1%
You do know that was a dub-only line, right?
No need for that when one of the first teasers for the anime showed Champa. Surely Toyotaro knows makes better fanservice scenes for the fans than Toei (see Kibito and Zamasu sparring) but he is shit when it comes to explain his lackluster original ideas, just see >>154734637
It shows that Toriyama just checks the paneling sometimes, yet he doesn't check the filler Toyotaro adds to its version
It's a daily reminder that no, manga is neither a definitive version of the Dragon Ball Super project, if it were the main focus of Shueisha then it would run in WSJ instead of V Jump (a magazine that just serves to promote shit)
That's what happen when you fight a SSB tier fighter in the logic version
>Toei: He overcame his limits and got a new transformation after trying to stay useful in fights but failing due to the power differences
So "lol who cares he just got destroyed"
>tfw if Toriyama wrote the Super manga it would be even worse
> tryin to justify the jump from ssj to rose?
Wew lad. It would have been ok if he knew ssg but nope ssj straight up to rose.
Its literally like trunks ikari in the anime absolutely fucking pathetic
Gentlemen, it's obvious.
Only the general events of Super are canon because of Toriyama's outline for arcs, as in the basic synopsis.
Toei and Toyotaro's versions are just interpretations of those events, we'll never get Toriyama's version because he doesn't give a fuck.
So only goku and vegeta can get stronger then?
Why did he even lose pages to make trunks SSJ2 more powerful than goku SSJ3?
For what purpose?
In the anime, we see him at least getting motivated by Vegeta to surpass him and Goku without being a wasted scene.
And the problem is present in the manga as well in the form of SSJ black defeating SSB vegeta.
Zenkai's don't justify a form that doesn't use god ki being capable of beating one that does.
>saying that Zenkai is a retarded concept
>"tryin to justify the jump from ssj to rose"
Anon are you ok
Not really he still failed in the end despite all the asspulls and Fairy Tail tier writing.
>Why even bother going to another timeline in the manga?
To save Trunks..?
>Why bringing trunks back here?
Do you mean the Kaioshin planet? They are safe there, Black never searched for the U7 Kaioshin planet because Beerus was already dead.
> not knowing how greentext works
You are fucking retarded and just for you imma explain It to you again.
Zenkai is retarded but not as retarded as in super. Black going from ssj to rose is like trunks going to ikari. Which both make absolutely no sense.
Toryiama zenkai were never this big of a multiplier.
So you said that
>Trunks manga is better because he admit that he's a failure from the start
Don't worry, you got your trunks who don't give a shit about his own universe
>Caring more about gowasu than the remaining humans.
The ending was actually a great idea but badly handled in the anime, if only toyotaro was competent enough to handle it.
>one of the first teasers for the anime showed Champa so Kibito and Shin reintroduction can be forced as fuck
>Toyotaro knows makes better fanservice
What the fuck are you talking about? SS Asspull and SSB Kaiokek are Toei fanservice
>he's shit when it comes to explain his ideas, just see how he easily and clearly explain his ideas
We can't defend the animation, we never did but you seems to forget it.
Story is still more interesting and emotional in the anime, more involved character, better characterization of Trunks, better motivation...Etc