How big will the stage be?
Reminder that manga black a shit
how does it feel to have to read a dragon ball manga made not by me but by my official canon successor who is also /yourguy/
>Vegeta trains in the hyperbolic time chamber
>somehow unlocks Super Saiyan God
>beats the shit out of Black by rapidly switching between SSG and SSB
>Vegeta trains in Dr. Briefs' time rome
>somehow unlocks Legendary Super Saiyan
>beats the shit out of Xicor by rapidly switching between SS3, SS4, and LSS
>future trunks saga
>damsel in distress
What's up with this shitty writing?
Let's do some fact check:
U7 has beaten U6! and that's a fact.
Beerus is stronger than Champa, and that's a fact
Zeno observed the whole Tournament between U6 and U7 and he saw how it ended, and that's a fact.
Now how is U6 is ranked higher than U7?
>Toei shills are gonna defends this
Remember that Toyotaro's future trunks arc is a fucking letdown.
-Good art (normal for a manga at least)
-Some great fight
-Black being a Savage sometimes
-Kaioshin is useful
-Trunks is useless
-Black being a crybaby
-Humans are useless
-Mafuba is still shit
-Goku never fight black
>The fuck are you looking at?
NO MORE WARMING UP THIS IS THE REAL DEAL
>Actually preferring as strong as need be Trunks over the version with the most logic
Trunks was being toyed with by Base Black BEFORE Black got stronger. And then SUDDENLY Trunks can go toe to fucking toe with Zamasu, who can take Goku post God training, SSR who shits on SSB, and even Merged Zamasu. I swear you fuckheads have absolute dogshit taste.
That doesn't mean shit. The manga actually remembered how Zenkais work. And no nigga, not every Saiyan level is thr same. It makes sense for SS Black to scrub SSB Vegeta's ass is his base form is leagues higher than Vegeta's anyway. Also, Black deliberately let Vegeta assrape him to get those sweet gains despite already being stronger than him.
Zamasu? Just leave him to me...
Personally, I don't defend the Anime but I would have liked to see a more useful trunks
Are you really trying to say that somehow, Toyotaro isn't able to give Trunks a proper power up?
almost 80 episodes in and it finally feels like we're getting into the meat of a real story.
Goku being the potential bad guy? They better not puss out.
>It's a garbage transformation
Perhaps you have shit taste and only like ones that need to have "times 10" in the name?
>this guy wrote cringey fanfiction shit years ago
>that means he's awful now
If a renowned author dredged up cringeworthy shit he wrote at age 15, would you denounce him as bad? Bunch of fucking retarded Toeicuck dumbasses.
which is the best non godly transformation and why is it SS2? In terms of strength vs durability
SS, because you can train it to be more powerful and sap less ki than any other non-godly transformation. SS2 and SS3 are just powered-up versions of the true Saiyan transformation
Just the right amount of speed, strength, and stamina usage. Superior to SSJ but not extremely taxing like SSJ3.
Is heightened aggression a drawback to the form?
You do realize the Xicor fanfic pre existed the doujinshi right?
He was originally half dragon and that's why he's got random spikes in his design that do not correlate with Toyo's lore about West Kai.
>he'll give him SSG
That's my guess as well. I just wonder how that could happen.
Maybe he will absorb some god ki, because he is surrounded by god ki users and actual gods. And then become SSG right before slicing Zamasu in half.
If that's true then this chapter or the next will probably foreshadow that happening.
>people actually believe manga black and zamasu weren't xicor and west kaioshin from his af doujinshi
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Zenoh plan on eradicating most of the universes anyway? If anything, Goku gave them a fighting chance. Besides, we all know that he will win and use the Super Dragonballs to just revive them.
>West Kai being Freiza's mom who stole Goku's sperm on Yardrat is retarded
Well Toyotaro was chosen because he was good at imitating Toriyama not because of any real talent of his own
Xicor, Lila, and the whole fan concept SSJ5 sans the origin isn't Toyo's idea
fun fact: if Toyotaro continued the AF doujin, Xicor would have the transformation where he goes psuedo-SSJ5 to slap Vegeta's shit
>no arguments across the board
Sorry you don't understand it. And I never claimed to hate the anime, you dumbasses just think anyone who defends Toyotaro is automatically a Toeishill poster.
Fucking Toyotaro of all people made this. This is hilarious I can't take him seriously anymore
West Supreme Kai is still hot
Toriyama really has gone senile if he chose this guy
>You need to make movie to criticize it
>You need to make music to criticize it
>You need to make Manga to criticize it
>I'm so smart that I eat any shit as long as I can't make it
How can you think like this?
I didn't even mention anything about the entire manga vs anime discussion. You claimed that one cannot criticize something unless they have the same or a superior level of artistic skill which is objectively wrong.
she will be more remembered for that doujin version of her than her real self.
Is Beerus originally from Universe 11 or was there just laziness involved?
Okay, what you are seeing right now is Based.
Toyokeks have officially broken down
I also wish it for you, in a pitiful way.
This is BEYOND based. truly the pinnacle of being based. nothing can compare to it
By Harnessing the power of being based,one can become a BASED GOD.
it doesnt stop there
Big enough for him and all his kids
Really? Damn, and here I was making the ultimate collage against Toyokeks.
Using the power of Based God, you can switch sides and become blue. its impressive but
theres one more step
>Can't we have something in the middle?
no. apparently not
i cant be based anymore
please go and continue being based
THIS is the final step, no other transformation comes close to its power. There is only one named used for this transformation, and its
the arc has been good, are you dissatisfied because he doesn't have SSAsspull just yet?
You said it a lot of times and never get better.
What would he do now against Fucking merged zamasu?
It's obvious only vegeto will do shit when you see what Toyataro has done until now.
Basically anything is better than the joke that was the anime.
So? The next chapters are obviously going to shift the focus back on Trunks.
In the manga. Thank God Toei were able to spin Goku Black and Zamasu beyond the basic and cliche ideas they were into genuinely interesting and entertaining villains.
That's literally the first time I said that. Anyway, it's annoying to see people already assuming shit when we don't have all the pages or a translation of the chapter.
Also, during this point in the anime, Trunks wasn't doing anything either (let's not count SSA or the Mafuba, because those are Toei additions).
Then why do you guys keep reading it? For me it makes no sense to read/watch something that I'm not finding enjoyable.
>Trunks wasn't doing anything in the anime
>let's not count the things he was doing in the anime though, they were anime additions
HOLY SHIT, Toyofags on suicide watch.
It's been awhile, how's my /a/nons doing tonight?
>Also, during this point in the anime, Trunks wasn't doing anything either (let's not count SSA or the Mafuba, because those are Toei additions).
When did I say I was a mangafag? I'm talking about Toriyama's outline. It's kinda obvious now that he didn't had those things in mind. I think the only things that should be considered "canon" are the ones that happen in both the anime and manga.
He was caring about humans, the resistance, meet other character, better characters development, actually show emotions (trunks Manga only did it 1-2 times) which make us care more about his future and enemies.
Honestly here, who care about trunks future in the Manga?
Not even trunks care anymore.
No anon, I'm not the mexican girl. She bailed once I returned.
>Xicor would have the transformation where he goes psuedo-SSJ5 to slap Vegeta's shit
And then Broly shows up to save him
>No anon, I'm not the mexican girl. She bailed once I returned.
Good then. I missed you anon.
Neither version if perfect, and they both have their pros/cons.
> Better Future Zamasu
> Better Trunks backstory (training with the Z-Sword and Dabura fight)
>Better art...but yea this comes with the territory
> SS Black (I didn't like him beating SSB Vegeta, but the form is nice)
> Beerus Kart 64
> Gowasu and Shin more involved
> Better Botamo, Cabba battle
> Better Tourney Arena
> No Jelly Vegeta mini-arc
> Better Black
> Zamasu vs Goku > Zamasu vs Kibito
> Goku vs Black happened
> SS Kid Trunks knocking sense into F.Trunks
> F.Trunks seeing 18 and Gohan
> Future Yajirobe and the Resistance > no one
> SS Ikari Trunks was neat
> Goku/Trunks vs Black/Zamasu > Goku/Vegeta vs Black/Zamasu
> Besides the above point, Trunks also uses the Mafuba. So he's more involved.
> Black theme OST
> SSB Kaioken > Re:SSG
> Better Frost battle (since Piccolo was actually pretty awesome), Magetta, and Hit
> Baseball episode
Feels good man. Made my bet all worth it in the end.
Fuck yes. Don't let him job fast please.
>Why do they fight now?
I guess just to stop zamasu from doing it to other timelines?
with no dragon balls and everyone dead. There really is nothing left for them to save. So..that's pretty much it for them already
That's superficial development if everyone was supposed to die anyway.
>Honestly here, who care about trunks future in the Manga?
In the manga it's not really about saving the future because it's already fucked. It's about killing Black and Zamasu for fucking up his timeline and to keep the other timelines safe.
I'd rather be Buu's old house than endure this thread any longer.
>A flaw in the anime or a merit in the manga is noticed.
TOEISHILLS BTFO!!! /OURGUY/ REIGNS SUPREME FUCK TOEI
>A flaw in the manga or a merit in the anime is noticed.
HOW WILL TOYOSPICS EVER RECOVER!!? XICORTARO IS A HACK
This is what suoer saiyan god SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE
Not some skinny ass fag boy
Reminder this anon forgot this
>y-y-you're just an appetizer
>showed no bias in the post whatsoever
>is a toyocuck apparently
>Just warn the other gods.
Zamasu and Black can teleport anywhere, even to other timelines with the rings. Letting them escape there could mean never getting another chance of stopping them.
The current super saiyan god transformations are absolute trash. It's almost as though they threw some crayons on the floor, put a blindfold on and randomly picked one up and decided this will be the new hype. They could at least do something interesting for once.
>yfw the idea of Trunks having some mary sue SSJ transformation came from Toyo's AF doujin where Vegeta can switch from LSSJ to SSJ4 instantly any time
Please stop. All fusion is trash, ssj4 is trash, ssj5 was an april fools day joke
Yeah, I actually tried pixiv/gelbooru a bit but failed entirely, I'm evidently retarded and cannot find things via tag.
Oh well, thanks anyways.
It's so irritating. If you praise/criticize anything about either the manga or the anime, you are suddenly some "Toeishill" or "Toyocuck" boogeyman.
to look pretty
>the creator of AF
if we're talking about SSJ5 and the fanfiction, some pedro spic named David Montiel Franco was responsible for that, not Toyo
this is Super Saiyan 5 Bulma was referring about in GT, hombres
Nor at all.
Great idea but badly handled.
I hoped Toyotaro will keep it and execute it better.
But he can't do it, humans are useless just for an emotionless ending.
How can this be praised?
you actually thought the doujin was original?
even Jijjii's Makaioshin AF arc was more original than that.
but aside that, Toyo's AF was purposely made to make all the rumors some sort of close reality
He's an spaniard from Alicante and this was his original manga or whatever.
>Trunks get badly badly injured by black, escape barely from death thanks to Kaioshin
>Get ZEKAI which make him able to put a fight against black without surpassing him
>See humans get killed or Mai about to die in front of him by zamasu or black
>Get ssj rage expressing how much he has suffered and lost
>Tied it to GodKi
>Get much closer to black's power
Was it that hard Toyotaro?
Is making Gowasu retarded better for you?
And then he gets yet another power up at the end? I think it's clear he's saving everything for the sword of light stuff at the end, rather than making Trunks' power constantly rise due to various factors, which ended up undermining his actual big moment in the arc.
This is the most awesome Dragon Ball image
If you don't believe me, check
Zamasu having a breakdown, wanting to steal Goku's body to perform ironic revenge?
That's actually a belivable motivation.
Him watching godtube and wanting goku's body for no reason other than thinking he is strong?
Forced as fuck, it cheapens the event and the character.
The reason it's forced because he has no reason to ask for a much better wish such as "kill all who I deem unworthy" or "make me the strongest in all the universes" whereas in the anime you get a legitimate reason to belive he would make such an specific wish instead of the much better options.
Manga characters only do what's convenient to the plot to move it forward in a very contrived way
Anime characters have believable motivations for their actions, making the plot flow naturally.
is there a headshot photo of AF creator, David Franco?
This is David's blog. Goku SSJ5 is his only decent drawing. Ironically that guy wasnt mean to be Goku but an OC named Tablos
This so much.
>BUT MUH COHERENT
Why doesn't he have COHERENT motivation in the Manga?
Do you understand now why the ending will be shit? Less epic?
Because we don't care about the villains, they do nothing to involve more the main character, no character are truly involved in this arc (maybe just Gowasu).
This totally justifies him stealing goku's body and makes it a believable development that isn't forced at all.
keep moving the goalposts toyocuck.
You can't justify how forced Black's existence is in the manga.
He got interested in Goku after Kibito and Shin talked about him, then thought that stealing Goku's body would help him make his zero ningen plan come to fruition.
>moving the goalposts
I'm not the same anon.
Yep anything is better than being that much of a sole loser.
Someone needs to rewatch/read the series.
Off the top of my head.
Again, this is a lack of involvement. He just heard some Kaioshin and watch a video.
Getting the body of someone you hate is something else.
This show how poorly involved zamasu is against goku, don't even try to piss him off, kill his family...etc
We miss what make zamasu and black more villainous in the Anime.
Same with trunks because he doesn't talk about crimes like traveling to other timelines
>I don't like the motivation
>therefore this character without any believable motivations is better.
Oh I see you're dumbass who doesn't understand what makes a character compelling at all.
You can prefer one version of the character but pretending manga black/zamasu are qualitatively better than in the anime is just blind fanboyism.
True though, I like the Manga but this arc feels to rushed.
Before people said that IT'S JUST DBS ANIME PACING WHICH IS THAT BAD, dbs pacing isn't bad, an episode rarely bored me, unlike DBZ.
>how poorly zamasu is against goku
Because Zamasu doesn't have an issue with only Goku specifically, he hates all mortals equally. And even though he hates mortals, he stole some mortal's body because he was interested in his power.
Why can't he hate things more than other things?
It is more interesting an villain with a goal while being personally involved against the main character, making them more important, involved them more in the arc.
If you want a bland zamasu, just say so.
Because zamasu is a sissy faggot who couldn't do shit by himself. He had to beg the dragon to give him goku's body just so he could stand a chance against real goku. He is a blight on his own race and an embarrassment honestly.
>Because Zamasu doesn't have an issue with only Goku specifically,
yes he does in the anime, zamasu explained in the fight against vegetto why he stole goku body because goku surpassed the gods and that was a fucking insult for him
>post your favourite Dragon Ball quote
>other anons guess where the quote was from
>post another quote
"Arrrhh I will not let you destroy my world!"
Liqueel and Vermoud in their younger days obviously.
Also best OTP
It's actually funny how his drawings have the same saturation as the new DBS toei filter.
When did I say that I hate "more involved" villains? I said that hating/not hating Goku doesn't make a difference for me. Jesus, you guys are so stuck-up that you only understand whatever you want to.
Reports of a rape and murder victim have key witnesses say that the suspect could only be described as "A monkey".
The young male fox was abducted in a dark alleyway where he was beaten brutally and sexually assaulted then murdered in cold blood by said assailant - police are on the lookout for this "Son Goku".
It give more impact about him stealing his body and make his choice.
In the Manga, he could have just take vegeta body if it wasn't for a video and Kaioshin trash Talk.
It feels more random and less involved,
Goku doesn't give a shit. He follows his instincts and doesn't give a fuck about the law.
>Black acted completely out of character in the anime
You mean Black had character in the anime. It's something Toyotaro doesn't know how to give to his villains.
Black's power made more sense in the anime anyway. Why wouldn't he be stronger than Vegeta and Goku?
>has Goku's body
>has the combat experience of a probably several million year old Kai
>eliminated the Kais of the 12 universes and also removed most ningen before coming to Earth
It's possible that Black and Zamasu faced off against top tier fighters like the Pride Troopers and Hit on their genocidal run. By the time the main characters face Black, he's already had more combat experience than Goku and Vegeta.
It was made in purpose to make them a perfect duo.
Also did you forget that he was in goku's body, smug goku do nothing to you?
Don't forget they're the same person, Manga black going full retard isn't better.
>When did I say that I hate "more involved" villains
Not stated but implied you think this isn't a relevant enough reason to like a caharecter therefore you have shit taste.
>hating/not hating Goku doesn't make a difference for me
It doesn't matter if it doesn't make a difference for you, Zamasu having no believable motivation to become black in the first place makes the event, objectively, forced as fuck.
There's also the fact that Zamasu had to travel a year into the future to make his wish. I'd assumed that meant the multiversal tournament had already happened, though now that we know the stakes of the tournament we'll have to see how it ends before we can judge that.
Even if I wrote a symphonic masterpiece yet told you I jerked off to your mom while dressed as a dinosaur while wearing diapers, could you get that idea out of your head every time you heard that song.
I did enjoy evil Nozawa, mind you. The arc went to shit the moment they fused even. It's just he was pretty much the opposite of Zamasu personality wise, so the manga can't be blamed for accuracy.
Or maybe Black is acting in character but Zamasu isn't.
Just because he wished for more STRENGTH in goku's body?
Did you watch the Anime?
They talk a lot in synchro.
Geez watch the Anime before criticize it at least.
Yeah I believe that the U11 fighters aren't all from the same Universe myself, which would probably explain why Femme Broly is pictured with them. I don't think she's a Pride Trooper though given she lacks the uniform and was probably a reject.
>Not stated but implied
No, I didn't imply anything. The thing here is that it's inconceivable to you that someone doesn't think that motivation was that great just because you really liked it.
>Zamasu having no believable motivation to become black in the first place makes the event, objectively, forced as fuck.
Opinions aren't objective. And since when wanting to use Goku's body because of his power isn't believable?
Just because he was a sadistic fuck who actually behaved like an adult even when things didn't go his way, yes. You can only stretch the saiyan lust excuse so far. So again, blame Zamasu for having the depth of a puddle and only being entertaining for his spergouts.
It feels forced because he could have just wish for something else, getting a better body.
In the Anime, his hate toward goku explain more his wish to take HIS BODY precisely beside just Kaioshin shit talking and Fucking Godtube.
It took Hit over 1000 years to get to his level.
It took Goku 40-47 years to get to his level.
Even if Zamasu doesn't know Goku's exact age, Zamasu should be able to tell that Goku is much younger than Hit. It only makes sense to pick Goku over Hit since Goku seems to have much better potential.
Did you even watch the anime?
F. Zamasu is a smug cunt as well, black is simply more unhinged.
Regardless you're seriously retarded if you think a character acting differently in different circumstances is being "out of character"
Black is smug as shit because he got rid of the bane of his existence that was Goku and finally got to indulge in his fantasy of removing ningens happily with his AU self.
And the best part is that both of those aspects of him fit perfectly with Zamasu's character which is one of an inmature kai with radical beliefs and feelings of grandeur.
"So what" that means he wasn't introduced to Goku just because he watched a random fight on Godtube.
Kibito and Shin talked about how powerful Goku was and that really piqued Zamasu's interest. Yes, he could try to get someone else stronger, but he got obsessed with Goku. Zuno certainly told him about saiyans getting zenkais too.
>gets told about some random ningen being strong enough to fight Majin Buu (why Buu is known outside of the universe when Beerus and Whis don't recognize him is never explain)
>intrigued, looks him up
>watches a video of him losing a fight
And so, rather than investigate Hit, or look for stronger fighters, or something, he decides to steal Goku's body, because... He likes his hair? Thinks transformations are cool? I dunno. Maybe if Toriyama had spent time characterizing Zamasu rather than wasting time on accusing Kibito of being Black or on Mario Cart, this could have made sense.
Okay, let's say he was given enough time to radically change his personality. He's now smug incarnate. The little shit he toyed with to hone his control over his new vessel brought the body's original owner and his boyfriend at peak performance to deal with him. What would the temper tantrum throwing kai's natural reaction be?
>liking original dub when OG dub Freeza exists
I know the phrase "chain smoking old-lady" gets thrown around a lot for female American VAs but when you cannot deny that OG Dub Freeza sounds like a goddamn chain smoking grandma.
Seriously, go back and listen to that shit
>wasting time on accusing Kibito of being Black or on Mario Cart
Then you guys would complain about the manga not having "slice of life". Toriyama certainly wanted more gag moments too.
>OP is streaming
>that white line
You guys allow this? Scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
>And since when wanting to use Goku's body because of his power isn't believable
Because fucktard, you have a seemingly omnipotent wish granting device, out of all the more reasonable wishes that you can come up with such as "I wish all ningens died" or "I wish I was the strongest" you decide to become a faggot ningen you never met despite supposedly hating ningens in the first place.
You think a couple of faggot kai talking nicely about someone and some fagtube videos are a believable reason for him to make that wish?
It's not believable because no one acts like that ever.
And if they do it's either they're retarded (which is something that needs to be established before it's plot relevant or you have shitty writing)
The anime can afford to have slice of life because it's a longer format. If the manga, which exists to advertise the anime, is going to change story details from the anime, then it needs to use its own pages to justify its changes. Toyotaro did not, and just expects you to accept them.
>he's just crazy lol
This is a shit justification. The anime's Zamasu is even crazier, and he was given an actual reason for his obsession, and so it makes sense. Toyotaro loses again.
What does it add in this arc precisely beside unfunny jokes?
Seeing trunks with gohan actually show more what he wish too, getting us more involved with him for example.
Gags in the anime are also much funnier (except goku being retarded)
This is a good part of slice of life in this arc
>I like because it's bad
I honestly think you should die, so I'm gonna assume you did after submitting this post and any replies to it are just ghosts that nobody can see, ok?
And there's also...........this
I still like the Kai dub Frieza, but the chain smoking granny version had its charm. It was a shit dub but in a fond sort of way, unlike something such as Blue Water dub which was fucking terrible.
Ah, the typical no argument trick
I have no reason to argue with you guys. As a smart man once said “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
the manga is not "changing details of the anime" because anime and manga are two separate things, two different versions of the same outline that is the true (but incomplete) canon. there's a reason toriyama takes his time to make corrections/write gags for the manga and encourages toyotaro to put that stuff in there.