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How big will the stage be?
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Toyocucks go make your thread.
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Where my SSJ2fags at
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>>154708576
As big as the pool of tears from Toeishills.
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Reminder that manga black a shit
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how does it feel to have to read a dragon ball manga made not by me but by my official canon successor who is also /yourguy/
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I wish DBZ tards could learn board etiquette instead of posting like cancerous crossboarder with their stream garbage image.
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Reminder to report retards trying to start shit, like >>154708649

Whether they're animefags or mangafags.
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>>154708715
Toriyama please save Dragon Ball from Toei and Toyataro
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>Vegeta trains in the hyperbolic time chamber
>somehow unlocks Super Saiyan God
>beats the shit out of Black by rapidly switching between SSG and SSB

Toyotoro's AF
>Vegeta trains in Dr. Briefs' time rome
>somehow unlocks Legendary Super Saiyan
>beats the shit out of Xicor by rapidly switching between SS3, SS4, and LSS

POTTERY
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>>154708576

A pretty big stage
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>future trunks saga
>future trunks
>punching bag
>bystander
>damsel in distress
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What's up with this shitty writing?
Let's do some fact check:

U7 has beaten U6! and that's a fact.
Beerus is stronger than Champa, and that's a fact
Zeno observed the whole Tournament between U6 and U7 and he saw how it ended, and that's a fact.

Now how is U6 is ranked higher than U7?
>Toei shills are gonna defends this
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>>154708795
>Mangafags were AFfags all along
Toyofags go fap to Xicor somewhere else
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Remember that Toyotaro's future trunks arc is a fucking letdown.

Pro:
-Good art (normal for a manga at least)
-Goku
-Some great fight
-Black being a Savage sometimes
-Kaioshin is useful

Con:
-Trunks is useless
-No emotion
-Retarded Gowasu
-Black being a crybaby
-Humans are useless
-Mafuba is still shit
-Goku never fight black
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>>154708753
He's the one who allowed 3 version.

Toriyama is shit and always was.
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I started reading Dragon Ball original manga, I'm really impressed by it's drawings. Toriyama is underrated as an artist, I don't think it's possible to name 5 better weekly artists
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>>154708741
Really nigga? Out of everything that's what you pull? SUPER INVINCIBLE ASS PULL BLACK was the fucking worse part of the anime
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When is the full chapter coming out. I need to see the official version of Super
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>>154709027
>Toriyama is underrated as an artist
What? Everyone praises him though.
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>>154708826
>The fuck are you looking at?
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>>154708795
Why does Vegeta have LSS? That's so dumb
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NO MORE WARMING UP THIS IS THE REAL DEAL
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>A god desires Goku's body
>A slime desires Vegeta's body
What did Toei mean by this?
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>>154709062
He's a genius and a prodige.

You seems to forget SSJ black beating SSB vegeta in the Manga .
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>>154708931
>>154708826
>Actually preferring as strong as need be Trunks over the version with the most logic
Trunks was being toyed with by Base Black BEFORE Black got stronger. And then SUDDENLY Trunks can go toe to fucking toe with Zamasu, who can take Goku post God training, SSR who shits on SSB, and even Merged Zamasu. I swear you fuckheads have absolute dogshit taste.
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>>154708795
AF is retarded, but rapidly switching between transformations to achieve maximum efficiency is a cool and unique idea. I'm sorry you retards have shit taste.
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>>154709076
Yeah, but not THAT praised by his drawings, Toriyama is a fucking genius.
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>>154709173
Zamasu has God Ki in base form which he can channel with more and more ease every time his cells regenerate.
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>>154706716
do you have them anon?
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>>154709027
He is not underrated, His art is constatly praised by alot of mangakas and pretty much all the fanbase.
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>>154709173
That doesn't mean shit. The manga actually remembered how Zenkais work. And no nigga, not every Saiyan level is thr same. It makes sense for SS Black to scrub SSB Vegeta's ass is his base form is leagues higher than Vegeta's anyway. Also, Black deliberately let Vegeta assrape him to get those sweet gains despite already being stronger than him.
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reminder that Daishinkan is Ryushiferu
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>>154709222
No one can deny that Toriyama is a great artist.
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>>154709243
Well maybe he do the same in the Anime.

He also said that he feel more tied to goku's body after being beaten.
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LEAVE SAITAMA TO ME!!!
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>>154708576
basketball court
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Zamasu? Just leave him to me...
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>>154709110
i don't think its LSSJ at all, just SSJ2
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>>154709186
Personally, I don't defend the Anime but I would have liked to see a more useful trunks

Are you really trying to say that somehow, Toyotaro isn't able to give Trunks a proper power up?
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>>154708741

All it tells me is that Anime Black is an M.
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>>154709418
>Toyotaro isn't able to give Trunks a proper power up?
He'll probably get one big one for the final climax of the arc.
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almost 80 episodes in and it finally feels like we're getting into the meat of a real story.

Goku being the potential bad guy? They better not puss out.
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>>154709334
Leave the Zenos to ME!!!
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>>154709417
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>>154709448
Yeah he'll give him SSG. Seriously what's with Toyo and SSG. It's a garbage transformation
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>>154709494
okay...

what the fuck toyo
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>>154709448
Wow, just at the end so we see it for like two page while vegeta fight black 3 TIMES.

Such a great comeback.

We know now that Toyotaro can't write a story for shit.
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>>154709495
>It's a garbage transformation
>m-muh Kaioken recolor
You have objectively wrong taste.
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>>154709495
>It's a garbage transformation
Perhaps you have shit taste and only like ones that need to have "times 10" in the name?
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>>154709494
>The who made this is Toriyama's successor
We live in the worst timeline
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>>154709494
I can't believe there is actually people who like AF while hating on the Anime.

Wow.
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>>154709543
>We know now that Toriyama can't write a story for shit.
FTFY
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>>154709555
>liking Crono Trigger
Shit taste
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>>154709579
>this guy wrote cringey fanfiction shit years ago
>that means he's awful now

If a renowned author dredged up cringeworthy shit he wrote at age 15, would you denounce him as bad? Bunch of fucking retarded Toeicuck dumbasses.
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>>154709640
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Can't wait for tomorrow to come.
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>>154708826
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>>154709494
this is exactly why they hired Toyo to illustrate that DB Heroes manga
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>>154708686
which is the best non godly transformation and why is it SS2? In terms of strength vs durability
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>>154709640
The name fits
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>>154709659
Black manga he's basically xicor 2.0, less cringy but still shit.
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>>154709186
>with the most logic

I don't need logic in Dragon Ball, pleb.
You can keep all that logic up your ass, no one with taste wants it.
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>>154709690
SS, because you can train it to be more powerful and sap less ki than any other non-godly transformation. SS2 and SS3 are just powered-up versions of the true Saiyan transformation
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>>154709659
>Defending japanese Salagir
Stop.
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>>154709494
>tfw you agree with Xicor
how the fuck Vegeta knows how to pull off what an LSSJ can do?
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>>154709690
Just the right amount of speed, strength, and stamina usage. Superior to SSJ but not extremely taxing like SSJ3.

Is heightened aggression a drawback to the form?
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>>154709712
You do realize the Xicor fanfic pre existed the doujinshi right?
He was originally half dragon and that's why he's got random spikes in his design that do not correlate with Toyo's lore about West Kai.
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>>154709712
What the fuck are you on about?
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>>154709743
>>Defending japanese Salagir
>what is Young Jijii
and wouldn't that make Salagir "western Jijiii"?
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>>154709186
>Being this butthurt by inconsistencies
>In Fucking DB
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>>154709745
He spent a decade in the time chamber something
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>>154709743
>ignoring the argument
Stop being retarded.
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>>154709724
Dude shut the fuck up. Howbdarr you spit a trash ass opinion at me. Have some class.
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>>154709495
>he'll give him SSG
That's my guess as well. I just wonder how that could happen.
Maybe he will absorb some god ki, because he is surrounded by god ki users and actual gods. And then become SSG right before slicing Zamasu in half.

If that's true then this chapter or the next will probably foreshadow that happening.
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>people actually believe manga black and zamasu weren't xicor and west kaioshin from his af doujinshi
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>>154709768
>Toyo's lore about West Kai
That was awful. West Kai being Freiza's mom who stole Goku's sperm on Yardrat is retarded
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>>154709474
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Zenoh plan on eradicating most of the universes anyway? If anything, Goku gave them a fighting chance. Besides, we all know that he will win and use the Super Dragonballs to just revive them.
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>>154709860
>people actually believe manga black and zamasu are xicor and west kaioshin from his af doujinshi
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>>154709872
>West Kai being Freiza's mom who stole Goku's sperm on Yardrat is retarded
Well Toyotaro was chosen because he was good at imitating Toriyama not because of any real talent of his own
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>>154709494
>B-BUT TOYO IS CANON!!!!
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>>154709860
someone post the edit where Zamasu and Black are standing over the cliff like Xicor and West Kai.
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>>154709859
Why making vegeta fight black 3 TIMES then give Trunks a power up at the end?

How can you defend this?

Such a let down.
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>>154709712
Xicor, Lila, and the whole fan concept SSJ5 sans the origin isn't Toyo's idea

fun fact: if Toyotaro continued the AF doujin, Xicor would have the transformation where he goes psuedo-SSJ5 to slap Vegeta's shit
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>>154709928
>Toyo has no talent
Who are you to pass judgment on who is and isn't talented, you literally who basement dwelling nobody?
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>>154710008
>time to make the donuts
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>>154709981
Tell me how different he is compared to other mangaka?

We don't need to do the same thing to criticize it.
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>>154710017
You can't criticize something if you lack the skill and talent to reproduce something similar yourself.
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>>154709951
>Xicor would have the transformation where he goes psuedo-SSJ5 to slap Vegeta's shit
Holy shit he's worse than Salagir
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>>154710041
Load of bullshit.
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>>154710041
Toyotacuck think actually like this.

Why do you criticize the Anime?

Go animate your own show.
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>>154710041
Go make your own anime then faggot
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>>154710065
Why does 17 look so unimpressed?
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>>154709940
this?
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>>154710128
animated by bioware
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>>154710080
>>154710084
>>154710119
>no arguments across the board
Sorry you don't understand it. And I never claimed to hate the anime, you dumbasses just think anyone who defends Toyotaro is automatically a Toeishill poster.
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>>154709951
Fucking Toyotaro of all people made this. This is hilarious I can't take him seriously anymore
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>>154709860
>>154709901
West Supreme Kai is still hot
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>>154710190
What's wrong with base Goku?
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>>154710140
haha yesssss
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>>154710223
Toriyama really has gone senile if he chose this guy
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>>154710266
Nothing, but youre gonna love this just wait.
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>>154710223
This pre exists the AF Doujin you fucking dumbass youngling.
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>>154710184
>You need to make movie to criticize it
>You need to make music to criticize it
>You need to make Manga to criticize it
>I'm so smart that I eat any shit as long as I can't make it

How can you think like this?

That's weird.
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tomorrow THE MENACE GOES DOWN
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>>154710184
I didn't even mention anything about the entire manga vs anime discussion. You claimed that one cannot criticize something unless they have the same or a superior level of artistic skill which is objectively wrong.
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>>154710302
Since he used it, he actually acknowledged it.

This is shit taste.
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>>154708799
For you
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>>154710289
I'm waiting, anon.
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>>154710332

Cant wait to hear Marcarita
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>>154710332
>The Lorax will finally break his silence to go up against a Carrot
YES
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>>154710270
What's with the spikes
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>>154710343
>objectively wrong.
Stop being a fucking moron.
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>>154710249
she will be more remembered for that doujin version of her than her real self.
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Is Beerus originally from Universe 11 or was there just laziness involved?
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Stop making fun of Toyotaro. You guys are taking it too far.
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>>154710366
Okay, what you are seeing right now is Based.
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>>154710399
i cant either
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>>154710350
He used the most popular fan rumor characters of the time.
You clearly were too young to know about SSJ5, probably not even born yet.
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>>154710446
This is SUPER based.
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>>154710441
Toyokeks have officially broken down
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>>154710419
Thank God, I though mangafags didn't see the flaws because for them it has none.

They're just retarded, that explain everything.
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>>154710419
But it is. To criticize something you merely need to be able to understand it, you need not be able to reproduce it.
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>>154708576
bretty big anon
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>>154710488
>thinks someone being objectively wrong is possible
>calls others retarded
I hope you die.
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>>154710461
SSJ5 is something only spics cared about
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>>154710484
This is a little bit pass normal based, otherwised known as 2 Based
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>>154709690
Lava Goku
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>>154710527
fucking hell
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>>154710519
I also wish it for you, in a pitiful way.
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>>154710571
This is BEYOND based. truly the pinnacle of being based. nothing can compare to it yet
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>>154710571
>>154710527
Anon...
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Just gave AF a chance. It's complete trash
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>>154710642
Just like you.
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>>154710631
By Harnessing the power of being based,one can become a BASED GOD. it doesnt stop there
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>>154708576
Big enough for him and all his kids
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We won Toeibros. The Toyofags have finally given up and left
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>>154710715
Really? Damn, and here I was making the ultimate collage against Toyokeks.
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>>154710685
Using the power of Based God, you can switch sides and become blue. its impressive but theres one more step
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>Anime trunks is Mary Sue
>Manga trunks is useless

Can't we have something in the middle?

Like a coherent, useful and powerful trunks?

Are Toriyama, Toyotaro and Toei that incompetent?
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>>154710705
I want the both of them to step on my dick while Vados sits on my face.
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>>154710770
Trunks will still cut Zamasu in half, just wait til the arc is over.
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>>154710705
Forget them, I want to throat-fuck Whis.
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>>154710770
>Can't we have something in the middle?
....
....
no. apparently not
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>>154710631
goodbye anon
i cant be based anymore
please go and continue being based
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>>154710761
THIS is the final step, no other transformation comes close to its power. There is only one named used for this transformation, and its Non-Canon :^)
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>>154710798
even if he did. it won't make up for the rest of the arc
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>>154710856
Don't leave me anon
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>>154710770
>>154710840
There are still one/two chapters left, retards. Not to mention the current one hasn't leaked yet in its entirety.
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>>154710798
Why should he get the final boss after being such a disappointment?

Coherent, useful and powerful isn't satisfying with 5-6 pages.
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>>154708795
>>154709494
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>154710891
the arc has been good, are you dissatisfied because he doesn't have SSAsspull just yet?
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>>154710894
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>>154710898
You said it a lot of times and never get better.

What would he do now against Fucking merged zamasu?

It's obvious only vegeto will do shit when you see what Toyataro has done until now.
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>>154710943
>Been good
>This meme

Tell how it's far more enjoyable in the Manga?

Go on
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>>154710943
Easy to not get disappointed when Goku and Vegeta's show is enough for you.
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>>154710898
If there are one or two chapters left and the rest of the arc has been shit, it's shit.
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>>154711052
Arc started on Chapter 14 and we're on chapter 22.
The story has mostly been following Trunks for the majority of it.
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>>154711110
The story has been shitting on Trunks.
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>>154711019
Basically anything is better than the joke that was the anime.
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>>154711110
Indeed, it was a good start then went shit.
Which make the beginning tasteless.
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>>154711144
So? The next chapters are obviously going to shift the focus back on Trunks.
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>>154711145
Such a great argument.

Mangalover are such an elite.
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>>154711145
XICOR HALF GOD HALF SAIYAN
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>>154710943
>am I kawaii uguu~
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>>154711214
Xicor is now Canon
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>>154711196
The next chapters are the fight against Fusion Zamasu. Trunks will just kill steal.
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>>154711208
You seem upset...
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>>154711258
In the manga. Thank God Toei were able to spin Goku Black and Zamasu beyond the basic and cliche ideas they were into genuinely interesting and entertaining villains.
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>>154708702
>>154708741

this
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>>154711304
He's missing the iconic spikes though
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>>154711196
It will be less epic since he was never a threat to them before.

Also, we have vegeto, genkidama... Etc

So he will get only some pages, at his best.
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>>154708795
holy shit toyofags BTFO
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>>154710993
That's literally the first time I said that. Anyway, it's annoying to see people already assuming shit when we don't have all the pages or a translation of the chapter.

Also, during this point in the anime, Trunks wasn't doing anything either (let's not count SSA or the Mafuba, because those are Toei additions).

>>154711096
Then why do you guys keep reading it? For me it makes no sense to read/watch something that I'm not finding enjoyable.
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>>154708795
>LSSJ Vegeta
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>154711446
>Trunks wasn't doing anything in the anime
>let's not count the things he was doing in the anime though, they were anime additions
HOLY SHIT, Toyofags on suicide watch.
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It's been awhile, how's my /a/nons doing tonight?
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>>154711507
Toeifags BTFO Toyofags
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>>154711446
>Also, during this point in the anime, Trunks wasn't doing anything either (let's not count SSA or the Mafuba, because those are Toei additions).
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>>154711486
When did I say I was a mangafag? I'm talking about Toriyama's outline. It's kinda obvious now that he didn't had those things in mind. I think the only things that should be considered "canon" are the ones that happen in both the anime and manga.
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>>154711446
He was caring about humans, the resistance, meet other character, better characters development, actually show emotions (trunks Manga only did it 1-2 times) which make us care more about his future and enemies.

Honestly here, who care about trunks future in the Manga?

Not even trunks care anymore.
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>>154711564
Then you agree that SSG isn't canon
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>>154711446
How can you criticize something without reading it.

It's common sense, how is it questionable?
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>>154711554
Nope all i see are Toeshills throwing a tantrum and crying all day.
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>>154711668
>Being this butthurt
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>>154711690
more tears, just what I wanted.
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>>154710223
Except that he literally didn't you fucking idiot
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>>154711507
gohanfag
thanks im fine how are you?
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>>154710249
I want to lick her feet
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>>154711507
Are you the real one or the slut pretending to be the real one?
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>>154711589
Why do they fight now?

Everyone is dead, just warn the gods from other timeline then they will handle zamasu and black by themselves.

Manga's arc feel useless.
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>>154711764
I'm well.

>>154711795
No anon, I'm not the mexican girl. She bailed once I returned.
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>>154709951
>Xicor would have the transformation where he goes psuedo-SSJ5 to slap Vegeta's shit
And then Broly shows up to save him
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>>154711728
He used it though. He has some shit taste if he acknowledged that shit
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>>154711862
>Broly
All this shit taste, from one man. Save us Toei.
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>>154711842
>No anon, I'm not the mexican girl. She bailed once I returned.
Good then. I missed you anon.
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>>154711776
Same.
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>>154711507
Gohan's actually going to relevant. You must be happy
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>>154711837
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>>154708576

Neither version if perfect, and they both have their pros/cons.

Manga
> Better Future Zamasu
> Better Trunks backstory (training with the Z-Sword and Dabura fight)
>Better art...but yea this comes with the territory
> SS Black (I didn't like him beating SSB Vegeta, but the form is nice)
> Beerus Kart 64
> Gowasu and Shin more involved
> Better Botamo, Cabba battle
> Better Tourney Arena
> No Jelly Vegeta mini-arc

Anime
> Better Black
> Zamasu vs Goku > Zamasu vs Kibito
> Goku vs Black happened
> SS Kid Trunks knocking sense into F.Trunks
> F.Trunks seeing 18 and Gohan
> Future Yajirobe and the Resistance > no one
> SS Ikari Trunks was neat
> Goku/Trunks vs Black/Zamasu > Goku/Vegeta vs Black/Zamasu
> Besides the above point, Trunks also uses the Mafuba. So he's more involved.
> Black theme OST
> SSB Kaioken > Re:SSG
> Better Frost battle (since Piccolo was actually pretty awesome), Magetta, and Hit
> Baseball episode
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>>154711842
so?
excited for buff, capable gohan in the upcoming arc?
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>>154711890
>>154711960

Feels good man. Made my bet all worth it in the end.
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>>154711862
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>>154711982
Manga
>made by the guy who made AF
Anime
>Made by a good but lazy studio

I think it's obvious which is better
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>>154712016
Fuck yes. Don't let him job fast please.
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>>154711837
>Why do they fight now?
I guess just to stop zamasu from doing it to other timelines?

with no dragon balls and everyone dead. There really is nothing left for them to save. So..that's pretty much it for them already
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>>154711668
crying lol for what?
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>>154712045
Like I said, why not just warn the other gods then let them handle it?
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>>154711589
That's superficial development if everyone was supposed to die anyway.

>Honestly here, who care about trunks future in the Manga?
In the manga it's not really about saving the future because it's already fucked. It's about killing Black and Zamasu for fucking up his timeline and to keep the other timelines safe.
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>>154711837
Zamasu and Black in the manga have talked about how they plan to kill all mortals in all timelines.
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Stop bullying Toyocucks right now!
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>>154712110
>warn the other gods then let them handle it?
Because the gods from his timeline are dead and the ones from the present don't give a shit/wouldn't help anyway.
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I cant wait for them to show super saiyan 5-10
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>>154711982
I'd rather be Buu's old house than endure this thread any longer.

>A flaw in the anime or a merit in the manga is noticed.
TOEISHILLS BTFO!!! /OURGUY/ REIGNS SUPREME FUCK TOEI
>A flaw in the manga or a merit in the anime is noticed.
HOW WILL TOYOSPICS EVER RECOVER!!? XICORTARO IS A HACK
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>>154712141
Just warn the other gods.

>>154712114
Just warn the other gods.
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>>154712159
The fuck are you saying?

Hasn't beerus hakai'd present zamasu?

Fucking speedreader
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This is what suoer saiyan god SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE

Not some skinny ass fag boy
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>>154712192
Fuck off Toyocuck
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>>154712228
What are you talking about, Toyo can't stop jerking off Super Saiyan God.
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>>154712159
Are you telling that if for example, champa and vados are aware of black and zamasu plan, they will do nothing?

Really?
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>>154712223
But he didn't want to help them with Future Zamasu/Black, dumbassreader.
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>>154712025
Will Yamshinhan show up in Super?
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>>154712192
Until a winner emerges this won't stop. Don't worry Toyofags are almost finished
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>>154708741
Reminder this anon forgot this

https://u.nya.is/ehxitj.mp4
>y-y-you're just an appetizer
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>>154712232
>showed no bias in the post whatsoever
>is a toyocuck apparently
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Reminder that Zamasu stole the wrong body.
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>>154712252
BECAUSE IT'S IN ANOTHER TIMELINE RETARD.

Just warn the gods from other timeline to protect their OWN timeline.
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>>154711982
I'll put also
>Goku's rage
into my favourites moments in the anime
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>>154712195
>Just warn the other gods.
Zamasu and Black can teleport anywhere, even to other timelines with the rings. Letting them escape there could mean never getting another chance of stopping them.
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>>154712254
Just when you thought it couldn't get worse
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>>154712254
>Tiencha: "Leave Xicor to me!"
fucking kek

this can't be real
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>>154712249
Time traveling is a crime.

>>154712283
Yes, but they know they have a time ring and can destroy their own timeline, dumbass. Yet they decided to do nothing about it.
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>>154712254
Why did Tien agree to weaken himself?
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>>154712288
>Gods are powerless against a Fucking ring

Why don't they escape then now?

They get what they wanted in trunks timeline.
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>>154712237
The current super saiyan god transformations are absolute trash. It's almost as though they threw some crayons on the floor, put a blindfold on and randomly picked one up and decided this will be the new hype. They could at least do something interesting for once.
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>>154712338
Nope, they've talked about going to other planets. It seems like Earth wasn't the last planet with mortals left in the universe in the manga.
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Xicor is definitely Toyotaro's self insert
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>>154712324
>Zamasu and black are planning to kill my Kaioshin
>They're in the same timeline as mine
>Kaioshin warned me about them
>Let's just watch.
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>>154712338
My Ring > You
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>>154710863
no
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>>154712025
>>154709494
>>154708795
>yfw the idea of Trunks having some mary sue SSJ transformation came from Toyo's AF doujin where Vegeta can switch from LSSJ to SSJ4 instantly any time
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>>154712409
This is what Toyofags acknowledge.
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>>154710041
Guess we need to purge pretty much every media board on the site then
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why do people think recoloring SSJ4 white or gold and slapping SSJ3 Goku's hair is anything creative than Super Saiyan God Red/Blue
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>>154712480
>when its cropped porn so you can't reverse image search it

Please help

Nobody even found it here.
https://archived.moe/r/thread/15232953/
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>>154709220
It sounds stupid as fuck actually when you consider that each transformation upwards would take more energy than the one before it.
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What is trunks purpose in the Manga?
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Why aren't you Cooler?
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>>154712365
>ssj5
>gogeta
Please stop. All fusion is trash, ssj4 is trash, ssj5 was an april fools day joke
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>>154712575
zero idea anon

looks like its probably from that one set of young chichi getting the dinodick

sorry
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>>154712679

>No super saiyan lava and rage

Shit chart.
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>>154712673
Meta Cooler is still better than Lakers Freezer

can't wait for Platinum Cooler tho
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>>154712708
Yeah, I actually tried pixiv/gelbooru a bit but failed entirely, I'm evidently retarded and cannot find things via tag.

Oh well, thanks anyways.
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>>154712679
>becomes mickey mouse for super saiyan 7
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>No dark ending well executed in the Manga

Toyotaro has made humans useless in purpose, to make an emotionless ending.

How can this be praised?
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>>154712192
It's so irritating. If you praise/criticize anything about either the manga or the anime, you are suddenly some "Toeishill" or "Toyocuck" boogeyman.
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>>154712796
>expecting the creator of AF to do something right
Just watch the anime
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>>154712815
Toeishill you're too obvious
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>>154712867
Fuck you too anon.
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>>154712661
to look pretty
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>>154712796
Mangacucks BTFO.
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>>154712830
>the creator of AF
Toriyama?

if we're talking about SSJ5 and the fanfiction, some pedro spic named David Montiel Franco was responsible for that, not Toyo
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>>154712796
>well executed
I hope you're not implying that ending was well executed in the anime anon.
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this is Super Saiyan 5 Bulma was referring about in GT, hombres

jajajaja
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>>154713052
>David Montiel Franco
Toyotaro's alter ego
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>>154713052
>>154713113
>Pedros created DBAF
IT ALL COMES FULL CIRCLE
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>>154713052
So Toyotaro can't even come up with his own shit?
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>>154713084
Nor at all.

Great idea but badly handled.

I hoped Toyotaro will keep it and execute it better.

But he can't do it, humans are useless just for an emotionless ending.

How can this be praised?
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>>154713052
>Toyotaro copies fucking spics
I'm going to stop making fun of him. It's just to easy
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>>154713162
you actually thought the doujin was original?

even Jijjii's Makaioshin AF arc was more original than that.

but aside that, Toyo's AF was purposely made to make all the rumors some sort of close reality
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>>154713052
>>154713133
>>154713143
He's an spaniard from Alicante and this was his original manga or whatever.
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>Trunks get badly badly injured by black, escape barely from death thanks to Kaioshin

>Get ZEKAI which make him able to put a fight against black without surpassing him

>See humans get killed or Mai about to die in front of him by zamasu or black

>Get ssj rage expressing how much he has suffered and lost

>Tied it to GodKi

>Get much closer to black's power

Was it that hard Toyotaro?

Is making Gowasu retarded better for you?
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>>154713385
>that female ss4
What the fuck.
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>>154713385
Who's the one with the boobs?
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>>154713385
is that SSJ4 Pan? kek
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>>154713385
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>>154713385
Toyotaro's role model everybody
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>>154713410
>Get ssj rage
Nah fuck that asspull shit, go watch the shitty anime for that Fairy Tail crap.
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>>154713410
And then he gets yet another power up at the end? I think it's clear he's saving everything for the sword of light stuff at the end, rather than making Trunks' power constantly rise due to various factors, which ended up undermining his actual big moment in the arc.
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This is the most awesome Dragon Ball image

If you don't believe me, check
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>>154713506
You mean this right>>154713385
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>>154713506
Can't wait to see the conclusion of this arc in the manga, it's been far superior to the anime version so far.
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>>154713493
That's the contrary.

He actually do stuff against them then get the final boss which show his progress.

Your ending is such a let down for
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>>154713537
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>>154713506
Anyone got the link? I lost it.
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>It's another anime vs manga shitposting fest
>>
Zamasu having a breakdown, wanting to steal Goku's body to perform ironic revenge?
That's actually a belivable motivation.

Him watching godtube and wanting goku's body for no reason other than thinking he is strong?
Forced as fuck, it cheapens the event and the character.

The reason it's forced because he has no reason to ask for a much better wish such as "kill all who I deem unworthy" or "make me the strongest in all the universes" whereas in the anime you get a legitimate reason to belive he would make such an specific wish instead of the much better options.


Tl;DR

Manga characters only do what's convenient to the plot to move it forward in a very contrived way

Anime characters have believable motivations for their actions, making the plot flow naturally.
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>>154713577
Opinion isn't bait, shitposter.
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is there a headshot photo of AF creator, David Franco?
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>>154713493
>Being an spectator in a concert.
>Get to the scene from nowhere
>sing the 10 final words.
>such a great moment.
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>>154713506
Oh my
Hes not wrong
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This is David's blog. Goku SSJ5 is his only decent drawing. Ironically that guy wasnt mean to be Goku but an OC named Tablos

http://af-dragonball.blogspot.pe/
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>>154713630
>Motivation: Butthurt he lost a sparring match aganist Goku
Meh we have enough villains whose motivation is Goku triggered them.
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>>154713630
This so much.

>BUT MUH COHERENT

Why doesn't he have COHERENT motivation in the Manga?

Do you understand now why the ending will be shit? Less epic?

Because we don't care about the villains, they do nothing to involve more the main character, no character are truly involved in this arc (maybe just Gowasu).
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>>154713739
So Godtube option is better?

You will find him excuse for literally anything.
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>>154713778
Zamasu got triggered by seeing the Babarians. He only watched Goku on Godtube later.
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>>154713730
Toyotaro Super Saiyan Devil when?
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>>154713506
i like this one more
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https://strawpoll.com/1a8ec21
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>>154713730
He is literally a proto-Dicasty.
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>>154713799
How does this make Manga version better about what push him to steal personally goku's body?
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>>154713799
This totally justifies him stealing goku's body and makes it a believable development that isn't forced at all.

keep moving the goalposts toyocuck.

You can't justify how forced Black's existence is in the manga.
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>>154713385
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>>154713739
Who can you name other than Piccolo?
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>>154713909
Dr. Gero
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>>154713875
He got interested in Goku after Kibito and Shin talked about him, then thought that stealing Goku's body would help him make his zero ningen plan come to fruition.

>>154713877
>moving the goalposts
I'm not the same anon.
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>>154713778
Yep anything is better than being that much of a sole loser.

>>154713909
Someone needs to rewatch/read the series.

Off the top of my head.

Piccolo Jr
Cyborg tao
Dr Gero
Majin Vegeta
Broly
RoF Freeza
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>>154713836
This poll makes no sense, there's no real Toriyama option nowadays.
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>>154713836
>Toyotaro has no votes
Guess Toyofags were just shitposters
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>>154713956
Again, this is a lack of involvement. He just heard some Kaioshin and watch a video.

Getting the body of someone you hate is something else.

This show how poorly involved zamasu is against goku, don't even try to piss him off, kill his family...etc

We miss what make zamasu and black more villainous in the Anime.

Same with trunks because he doesn't talk about crimes like traveling to other timelines
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>>154713989
>I don't like the motivation
>therefore this character without any believable motivations is better.

Oh I see you're dumbass who doesn't understand what makes a character compelling at all.

You can prefer one version of the character but pretending manga black/zamasu are qualitatively better than in the anime is just blind fanboyism.
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>>154714115
True though, I like the Manga but this arc feels to rushed.

Before people said that IT'S JUST DBS ANIME PACING WHICH IS THAT BAD, dbs pacing isn't bad, an episode rarely bored me, unlike DBZ.
>>
GT > super
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>>154714192
>but pretending manga black/zamasu are qualitatively better than in the anime is just blind fanboyism.
I don't have to pretend they already are
>>
Why Those who prefer the Anime seems smarter now?

A month ago, it was the contrary.
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>>154714115
>how poorly zamasu is against goku
Because Zamasu doesn't have an issue with only Goku specifically, he hates all mortals equally. And even though he hates mortals, he stole some mortal's body because he was interested in his power.
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>>154714314
How?

Go on.
>>
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>>154714322
Honestly, I have discussed with both sides since the new leaks came out and they're just as retarded.
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>>154714357
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>>154714349
Why can't he hate things more than other things?

It is more interesting an villain with a goal while being personally involved against the main character, making them more important, involved them more in the arc.

If you want a bland zamasu, just say so.
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>>154714314
Ok blind fanboy.
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>>154714349
Because zamasu is a sissy faggot who couldn't do shit by himself. He had to beg the dragon to give him goku's body just so he could stand a chance against real goku. He is a blight on his own race and an embarrassment honestly.
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>>154714406
>Character=power
>Powerlevels fags here again
>MUH INVINCIBLE CHARACTER
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>>154714508
>MUH COMPETENT CHARACTER
ftfy
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>>154714349
>Because Zamasu doesn't have an issue with only Goku specifically,
yes he does in the anime, zamasu explained in the fight against vegetto why he stole goku body because goku surpassed the gods and that was a fucking insult for him
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Posting cutest GoD
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>>154714550
I'm talking about the manga.
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>>154714540
So a bland competent character is better in any case for you?

Perfect cell should have take Zamasu's place then.
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>>154714359
is that U11 GoD Vermouth?
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>post your favourite Dragon Ball quote
>other anons guess where the quote was from
>post another quote

"Arrrhh I will not let you destroy my world!"
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>>154714540
How can a taste be this shit?
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>>154714607
Liqueel and Vermoud in their younger days obviously.

Also best OTP
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>>154714540
In DB, surprise work retard.
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>>154714683
pls don't break things - goku
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>>154714465
Maybe he is bland for you. Zamasu hating Goku more or not doesn't make him more interesting/bland for me, honestly.
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>>154714406
Is it the only thing you have?

That mean we won.
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>>154714683
So I'm evil huh ? That's interesting - son goku the menace
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"I drink plenty of juice."
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Why is Zeno-sama the best thing about Super?
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>>154714818
Well sorry but if you hate more involved villains, better explained motivation and what push them to, then you have shit taste sorry.
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>>154714683
"hi anon"
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>>154708873
That pic...
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>>154708873
>salvamakoto
It's actually funny how his drawings have the same saturation as the new DBS toei filter.
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>>154708873
Do you even know how averages work?
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>>154714904
When did I say that I hate "more involved" villains? I said that hating/not hating Goku doesn't make a difference for me. Jesus, you guys are so stuck-up that you only understand whatever you want to.
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I lost hope in the anime after the goku vs Hit fight.
That was so terrible, so fucking terrible.
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>>154714359

Reports of a rape and murder victim have key witnesses say that the suspect could only be described as "A monkey".

The young male fox was abducted in a dark alleyway where he was beaten brutally and sexually assaulted then murdered in cold blood by said assailant - police are on the lookout for this "Son Goku".
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>>154708873
>how do averages work
also pasta and shitty bait.
Hope you get trucked.
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>>154715218
very weak bait familia
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>>154715166
It give more impact about him stealing his body and make his choice.

In the Manga, he could have just take vegeta body if it wasn't for a video and Kaioshin trash Talk.

It feels more random and less involved,
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>>154715299
Goku doesn't give a shit. He follows his instincts and doesn't give a fuck about the law.
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>>154708702
>>154708741
Black acted completely out of character in the anime. Blame Toriyama for making him body-snatcher Zamasu.
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>>154715514
>Black acted completely out of character in the anime
You mean Black had character in the anime. It's something Toyotaro doesn't know how to give to his villains.
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>>154713410
Why hasn't Toyotaro done that?

He need a writer because he has only art for him.
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>>154715514
The fuck are you saying?
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>>154715555
>You mean Black had character in the anime.
Yes, Dark Goku. Nothing like Zamasu at all.
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>>154715299
Goku is one sick brutal motherfucker
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Black's power made more sense in the anime anyway. Why wouldn't he be stronger than Vegeta and Goku?

>has Goku's body
>has the combat experience of a probably several million year old Kai
>eliminated the Kais of the 12 universes and also removed most ningen before coming to Earth

It's possible that Black and Zamasu faced off against top tier fighters like the Pride Troopers and Hit on their genocidal run. By the time the main characters face Black, he's already had more combat experience than Goku and Vegeta.
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>>154715614
It was made in purpose to make them a perfect duo.

Also did you forget that he was in goku's body, smug goku do nothing to you?

Don't forget they're the same person, Manga black going full retard isn't better.
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>>154715166
>When did I say that I hate "more involved" villains
Not stated but implied you think this isn't a relevant enough reason to like a caharecter therefore you have shit taste.

>hating/not hating Goku doesn't make a difference for me

It doesn't matter if it doesn't make a difference for you, Zamasu having no believable motivation to become black in the first place makes the event, objectively, forced as fuck.
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>>154715726
There's also the fact that Zamasu had to travel a year into the future to make his wish. I'd assumed that meant the multiversal tournament had already happened, though now that we know the stakes of the tournament we'll have to see how it ends before we can judge that.
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>>154715514
How can Black act "out of character" in the anime, when the anime is where he was first introduced? You mangafags are fucking delusional.
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>>154715805
Black doesn't act like Zamasu, whom is his root personality
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>>154709659
Even if I wrote a symphonic masterpiece yet told you I jerked off to your mom while dressed as a dinosaur while wearing diapers, could you get that idea out of your head every time you heard that song.
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>>154715763
I did enjoy evil Nozawa, mind you. The arc went to shit the moment they fused even. It's just he was pretty much the opposite of Zamasu personality wise, so the manga can't be blamed for accuracy.
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>>154715853
Are you talking about the Manga?

Because here Black ACT OUT CHARACTER in your logic.

Show me a page of zamasu being full retard Savage edgy cry baby like black.
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>>154715853
Or maybe Black is acting in character but Zamasu isn't.
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>>154715922
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>>154710439
I personally believe Toppo or Vermoud scooped up fighers from various universes to form the Pride Troopers
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>>154715922
Zamasu did lose some of his personality before the fusion now that you mention it. It's like a different writer took over.
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>>154715911
>Pretty opposed

Just because he wished for more STRENGTH in goku's body?

Did you watch the Anime?

They talk a lot in synchro.

Geez watch the Anime before criticize it at least.
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Reminder all toeishills are one person. It's Accelspammer all over again
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>>154715981
Yeah I believe that the U11 fighters aren't all from the same Universe myself, which would probably explain why Femme Broly is pictured with them. I don't think she's a Pride Trooper though given she lacks the uniform and was probably a reject.
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>>154716021
https://strawpoll.com/1a8ec21

Keep being delusional.
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>>154715981
That's what I thought too.
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>>154716057
Pollfags are the real scum of this place
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>>154715776
>Not stated but implied
No, I didn't imply anything. The thing here is that it's inconceivable to you that someone doesn't think that motivation was that great just because you really liked it.

>Zamasu having no believable motivation to become black in the first place makes the event, objectively, forced as fuck.
Opinions aren't objective. And since when wanting to use Goku's body because of his power isn't believable?
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>>154716121
When he was introduced to Goku by watching him lose a fight on youtube.
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>>154716009
Just because he was a sadistic fuck who actually behaved like an adult even when things didn't go his way, yes. You can only stretch the saiyan lust excuse so far. So again, blame Zamasu for having the depth of a puddle and only being entertaining for his spergouts.
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>>154716121
It feels forced because he could have just wish for something else, getting a better body.

In the Anime, his hate toward goku explain more his wish to take HIS BODY precisely beside just Kaioshin shit talking and Fucking Godtube.
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>>154716057
ALL DEM PROXIES BRO
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>>154716180
>Implying future zamasu wasn't sadistic

Future zamasu didn't enjoy his enemies power up because he get nothing from it beside black.
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>>154716121
Because Hit>Goku
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>>154716159
He was introduced to him by Kibito and Shin.
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>>154716309
So what?
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>>154716312
"All the lights in the sky are proxies"
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>>154716294
It took Hit over 1000 years to get to his level.

It took Goku 40-47 years to get to his level.

Even if Zamasu doesn't know Goku's exact age, Zamasu should be able to tell that Goku is much younger than Hit. It only makes sense to pick Goku over Hit since Goku seems to have much better potential.
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>>154716371
So this is why Hit is shit in the Manga.

Just like humans being useless, PLOT CONVENIENCE.

/ourguy/ guys.
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>>154715853
>>154715514

Did you even watch the anime?
F. Zamasu is a smug cunt as well, black is simply more unhinged.

Regardless you're seriously retarded if you think a character acting differently in different circumstances is being "out of character"


Black is smug as shit because he got rid of the bane of his existence that was Goku and finally got to indulge in his fantasy of removing ningens happily with his AU self.

And the best part is that both of those aspects of him fit perfectly with Zamasu's character which is one of an inmature kai with radical beliefs and feelings of grandeur.
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>>154716514
This so much.

Manga can't be better now, Anime is officially the best version for now.

Maybe survival tournaments will be better handled in the Manga.
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>>154716330
"So what" that means he wasn't introduced to Goku just because he watched a random fight on Godtube.

Kibito and Shin talked about how powerful Goku was and that really piqued Zamasu's interest. Yes, he could try to get someone else stronger, but he got obsessed with Goku. Zuno certainly told him about saiyans getting zenkais too.
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>>154716731
Nice headcanon about Zeno.
He got obsessed with goku without real motivation.
That prove our point of how random this arc feels
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>>154716731
>gets told about some random ningen being strong enough to fight Majin Buu (why Buu is known outside of the universe when Beerus and Whis don't recognize him is never explain)
>intrigued, looks him up
>watches a video of him losing a fight
And so, rather than investigate Hit, or look for stronger fighters, or something, he decides to steal Goku's body, because... He likes his hair? Thinks transformations are cool? I dunno. Maybe if Toriyama had spent time characterizing Zamasu rather than wasting time on accusing Kibito of being Black or on Mario Cart, this could have made sense.
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>>154716832
Toyotaro, I mean.
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>>154716832
This, he wasted pages on this.

How can this be praised?
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>>154716514
Okay, let's say he was given enough time to radically change his personality. He's now smug incarnate. The little shit he toyed with to hone his control over his new vessel brought the body's original owner and his boyfriend at peak performance to deal with him. What would the temper tantrum throwing kai's natural reaction be?
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Original Funimation dub > Kai Funimation dub
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>>154716948
>liking original dub when OG dub Freeza exists
I know the phrase "chain smoking old-lady" gets thrown around a lot for female American VAs but when you cannot deny that OG Dub Freeza sounds like a goddamn chain smoking grandma.

Seriously, go back and listen to that shit
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>>154713412
>>154713427
Pan
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>>154716832
>wasting time on accusing Kibito of being Black or on Mario Cart
Then you guys would complain about the manga not having "slice of life". Toriyama certainly wanted more gag moments too.
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>OP is streaming
>that white line
You guys allow this? Scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
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>>154716832
Zamasu is a lunatic. Crazy people can just get obsessed about someone/something with no real reason.
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>>154716121
>And since when wanting to use Goku's body because of his power isn't believable

Because fucktard, you have a seemingly omnipotent wish granting device, out of all the more reasonable wishes that you can come up with such as "I wish all ningens died" or "I wish I was the strongest" you decide to become a faggot ningen you never met despite supposedly hating ningens in the first place.


You think a couple of faggot kai talking nicely about someone and some fagtube videos are a believable reason for him to make that wish?

It's not believable because no one acts like that ever.
And if they do it's either they're retarded (which is something that needs to be established before it's plot relevant or you have shitty writing)
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>>154717069
>you cannot deny that OG Dub Freeza sounds like a goddamn chain smoking grandma

Yeah I uniroinically liked that. Frieza was a fucking faggot so it fit pretty well.
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>>154717104
The anime can afford to have slice of life because it's a longer format. If the manga, which exists to advertise the anime, is going to change story details from the anime, then it needs to use its own pages to justify its changes. Toyotaro did not, and just expects you to accept them.
>>154717140
>he's just crazy lol
This is a shit justification. The anime's Zamasu is even crazier, and he was given an actual reason for his obsession, and so it makes sense. Toyotaro loses again.
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>>154717104
What does it add in this arc precisely beside unfunny jokes?

Seeing trunks with gohan actually show more what he wish too, getting us more involved with him for example.

Gags in the anime are also much funnier (except goku being retarded)

This is a good part of slice of life in this arc
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The power of the proxy is strong in these threads
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>>154717217
>What does it add in this arc precisely beside unfunny jokes?
Ask Toriyama.

>>154717140
He was also mad that Goku is more powerful than many gods.
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>>154717177
>I like because it's bad

I honestly think you should die, so I'm gonna assume you did after submitting this post and any replies to it are just ghosts that nobody can see, ok?
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>>154717140
Such a lame excuse.

Can't you admit any flaws of the manga version?
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Another one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5EgpeFviJo

And there's also...........this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWdb7Gu63_0
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>>154717306
I still like the Kai dub Frieza, but the chain smoking granny version had its charm. It was a shit dub but in a fond sort of way, unlike something such as Blue Water dub which was fucking terrible.
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>>154717286
Nice Proxy, faggot
>>154717386
You know I like to notice how /a/nons are trapped in the past. Mangafags were cancer 2 months ago, the new cancer are the autistically screeching animefags
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>>154717427
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>>154717427
>404 ARGUMENT NOT FOUND
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>>154717392
Damn, that second one was actually pretty funny too.
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>>154717494
>>154717550
Ah, the typical no argument trick
I have no reason to argue with you guys. As a smart man once said “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
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>>154717189
the manga is not "changing details of the anime" because anime and manga are two separate things, two different versions of the same outline that is the true (but incomplete) canon. there's a reason toriyama takes his time to make corrections/write gags for the manga and encourages toyotaro to put that stuff in there.
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>>154717678
Are you aware that your own post make you look like a retard?
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>>154717732
Toriyama is far from being perfect.

Without his editor, DB would have went shit.
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>>154717392
Why
Why do they keep doing these.

Most of them aren't even funny.
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>>154717611
Pokemon bridged actually manages to be funny pretty often. Not the best abridged series but gets a laugh out of me.
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>>154717868
Are you serious? And join along in the incomprehensible screeching? Fuck that. Fuck you too for trying to shit these threads even further
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>>154717908
i know, i'm just saying that he wouldn't take his time to change stuff in the manga if it was only meant to be an advertisement of the anime.
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>>154713385
This is so '90
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>>154718159
>Being this butthurt
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