ITT: The most pretentious anime you've seen.

Elfen lied is more edgy than pretentious. Death Note is the most pretentious shit I've seen. It's was an insult to my intelligence.

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>reads Descartes First and Second Meditations
>stops there and makes an entire anime based on a rudimentary understanding of it

neon gnesis evangelion

>>154700740
What's pretentious about that crap?

>>154700827
Not even pretentious, just the very definition of edgy.
>>154700827
Also not pretentious, did you watched 20 shows in your life? What does Death Note pretends to be?

Pic related is the true answer.
Also,Kara no Kyoukai and Psycho-Pass.

tatami galaxy

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>>154701003
Forgot pic

>>154700740
>pretentious

At least learn what a word means before you use it.

>>154700740
Kaiba or any other Yuasa work.

>>154700907
Ergo Proxy is actually based on something? It was one of the most disjointed and inconsistent shows I ever watched.
>>154701150
Why Kaiba or other Yuasa works are pretentious?

Madoka Magica

>>154700740
>this thread again
Say it with me now:
LIMIT

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Let's get the obvious over with:
It's just an edgy mecha show with religious symbolism that means nothing

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No competition.

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Serial Experiments Lain

>>154701927
didn't stop it from being the best and the most innovative anime from the last 20 years

>>154701150
Yuasa makes very straightforward stories, though. They're just heavily stylized, not unlike Imaishi or something.

Kaiba isn't too much different from any other cyberpunk adventure story.

>>154702079
Don't reply to obvious bait with another bait.

>>154700740
How is Elfenlied pretentious?

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>>154702213
>>154702071
>>154700907
We need to go back

>>154702213
Besides how the opening uses Gustav Klimt's artwork with a song that's entirely in Latin?

>>154702079
>what is Legend of Galactic Heroes

>>154702313
What's pretentious about that? It's just cool and sounds/looks good

>>154702313
>>154702293
Do you really think that this means anything? The animators are autists and just took whatever looked good. There is no good relation to the actual work. Elfenlied is shit, not pretentious.

>>154700827
No, Elfen Lied is a properly pretentious anime. It's not trying to be deep, but it is pretentious. From the moment that clumsy secretary is killed off, you can can tell that the anime thinks very highly of itself for subverting your expectations. Then the by the numbers waifu faggotry follows, and you're left wondering if anyone looked in a mirror while making this.

>>154700996
>>154701085
>>154702213
The opening is fucking Latin chanting with art based on famous paintings, and the message of the series is pretty much "WHAT IF HUMANS ARE THE REAL MONSTERS?!!". The original manga is pretty much a parody of crap like that, but the anime plays it completely straight.

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>>154702403
>Trying to make something look good is autism

>>154702437
>Trying to make a surprising narrative is pretentious
Jesus, you guys really have to stop.

>>154702475
>implying
It isn't autism to make something look good, it is autism to make references when they make no sense.

>>154702536
So the majority of movie directors and writers have autism?

>>154702563
Yes, obviously.

>>154702536
You literally said they weren't making references and that it was there just to look good. Also, what you said isn't autism either, it's just the director fucking around.

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>>154702442
>Elfen Lied manga
>parody

>>154702442
>The opening is fucking Latin chanting with art based on famous paintings
Not pretentious, just there to look cool.

>and the message of the series is pretty much "WHAT IF HUMANS ARE THE REAL MONSTERS?!!".
So? That's the theme of the series, it doesn't mean it's pretentious.

>>154702604
>You literally said they weren't making references and that it was there just to look good.
No, I did not. Reread my reply. I never denied it, I said that it made 0 sense. Not in the "hurr they are trying to hard" sense, but it actually made no sense.

>>154702662
>Do you really think that this means anything? The animators are autists and just took whatever looked good.
You are basically saying that they used just because it looked good. Which is obvious, anime and japs in general are famous for valuing rule of the cool and atmosphere/feeling over coherence and realism

>>154702773
>You are basically saying that they used just because it looked good.
Yes, because it makes no good sense. That doesn't mean the same as saying "no you made shit up they didn't do it!".

>Which is obvious, anime and japs in general are famous for valuing rule of the cool and atmosphere/feeling over coherence and realism
Which is why this isn't pretentious at all.

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>>154702619
The manga goes out of its way to be ridiculous as fuck. The anime trying to turn it into some deep serious series is exactly what makes it so pretentious.

>>154702652
>just there to look cool.
That's exactly what pretentiousness is all about: Putting on a cool pretense despite lacking actual substance.
>That's the theme of the series
The manga makes it clear the diclonii except Nana are just whiny murderous dindus and casually exterminates them all.

>>154702820
I really don't understand where you're trying to get. Are you saying they used just to look cool and that's why it isn't pretentious? Because I agree with you there.

Also, you will have to decipher this one
>That doesn't mean the same as saying "no you made shit up they didn't do it!".
For me

>>154701202
>>154701927
>>154701932
>>154702071
These.

>>154702844
>That's exactly what pretentiousness is all about: Putting on a cool pretense despite lacking actual substance.
Nope, pretentious is just something or someone pretending to be something that's not.
>characterized by assumption of dignity or importance, especially when exaggerated or undeserved
>a pretentious, self-important waiter.

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It is such trash.

>>154702941
Exactly, and the Elfen Lied anime pretends to be deep when it's not. The opening uses fucking bible quotes.

The only reason people rip on Elfen Lied is because it is a lot of people's "gateway anime" into non-Toonami shit.

The ironic (and sad) part is that, for many of us, that "edgy, pretentious" show opened up the eyes of a lot of anons on /a/, and now they have a much wider pallet, much more appreciation for the artform, and are generally more knowledgeable about japtoons as a whole.

Its easy to pick on EF because of its awkward placement as "not quite mainstream" but also "not quite non-mainstream", and so we just end up calling it edgy or tryhard. Why? Why not just accept that it is decent, that it has a lot of gore (honestly not that much when compared with some other "good" titles that /a/ goes on about), and that a lot of people will inevitably watch it and want more?

>>154702844
Here's the thing though, Elfen Lied doesn't try to be deep, the opening doesn't try to be deep, it isn't pretending that the latim song or the paintings mean anything, it just used them because they look good, that was their intention, hence why it isn't pretentious, because they aren't pretending anything.

>>154702529
Thinking you're clever and playing with basic storytelling, then failing by instead insulting your audience's intelligence and misunderstanding how to provide meaningful satire or commentary is pretentious by both insulting and being the subject of your derision. Pretentiousness doesn't have to be watching beetles fuck to a symphonic orchestra.

>>154702997
At no point does Elfenlied try to be "deep". The dumb message is straight into your face man.

>>154702997
Again, they don't pretend that said bible quotes mean anything, it just looks cool. Do you think that Pulp Fiction is pretentious because Samuel Jackson quotes the bible?

>pretension
>/prɪˈtɛnʃ(ə)n/
>noun
>1. The black and white final episode of Top wo Nerae! Gunbuster.

>>154703070
Fuck you.

>>154703046
>Thinking you're clever and playing with basic storytelling, then failing by instead insulting your audience's intelligence and misunderstanding how to provide meaningful satire or commentary
That's just bad writing though. Elfen Lied deliver its message, it's a show about humans being assholes and everything being grim dark, it doesn't pretend to be that, It IS that, hence, it isn't pretentious. You're confusingsomeone failing to deliver a good narrative with a narrative being pretentious.

ITT: How do dictionaries work?

>People thinking that someone using something just because it looks good/cool is pretentious
Jesus fucking Christ. By that definition, 90% of anime is pretentious.

>>154703013
If you've actually read the original manga, you'll instantly notice how hard the anime is pretending to be a serious work of art that has some message to tell, when that's really not the point of the series.
>>154703049
>At no point does Elfenlied try to be "deep".
They literally replace the titular song with some retarded music box and clock metaphors in the anime.
>>154703060
If Pulp Fiction had a reading of bible quotes and various musical covers of it as its soundtrack, it would be pretentious as fuckl

>>154700740

Only real thing that felt too forced was the attempt at making me sympathize with Lucy by making people seem like outrageous mega villains and serial butchers just because she has horns.

She's still an insane monster, pretty glad she bit the bullet in the manga.

The narrative was alright, execution of it just annoyed me.

>>154703347
>They literally replace the titular song with some retarded music box and clock metaphors in the anime.
Yes, and? You unironically don't know what pretentious actually means.

>>154700740
Why the fuck does anybody call this pretentious? Seriously.

Did you just watch the OP and think "ooh pretending to be so high-brow"

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>>154703396
>samefagging this hard
Was Elfen Lied your first anime or something?

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>>154703453
Hope you aren't this insecure in real life.

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>>154702997
Every time I've heard someone say "Elfen Lied tried too hard to be deep" it is pretty much 90% about the OP. You know, something that has nothing to do with the content.

What about the actual fucking show? Is there something particularly "trying to be soooo meaningful" about it? I don't think so. Look, I agree that the anime is complete garbage, but let's be real

Elfen Lied has a bad reputation because it's babby's first edgy anime to make them realize "Whoa anime really isn't just for kids" but you have to remember that that show came out in fucking 2004? Okay, that's 13 years ago. And when /a/ was in it's infancy, it was true that it was a babby's first and fun to call it pretentious but these days there are way worse targets that are actually really pretentious and not just shoving symbolism in the OP

>>154703512
>5 seconds in MS Paint
You're the one who's insecure just because Elfen Lied is getting rightfully bashed for being an edgy pretentious anime, newfag.

>>154703596
>Being this pathetic
Keep telling yourself that. I know what the truth is. And look up the word pretentious.

>>154703592
>You know, something that has nothing to do with the content.
Except they pull out a fucking music box that plays the opening as BGM during the episodes.

>>154703629
>I know what the truth is.
So you know that it's pretentious and you're wrong, then. Good to know.

>>154703642
And what exactly did it change? Nothing. There was no theme in the show that the OP took to something "deeper". Not a single one. It's plain trash nothing more, nothing less.

>>154703642
Okay and that's like, what? 1% of the series? Maybe less? What about everything else?

It's just a fucking violent gory mess but it's not the first thing that comes to mind when thinking about preteniousness

>>154703592
It tries to take a look at morality and the depths of human depravity, but is incapable of being anything other than extremely ham-fisted and one-dimensional.

>>154703693
No, I know that it's shit, but not pretentious and your ego is just too big to admit that you didn't knew what the word meant.

>>154702943
This was a huge chore to watch, and the epilogue was probably the most boring piece of media ever produced.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pretentious

Yeah, I'd say Elfen Lied fits. It tries to be some deep, meaningful look at human nature, even though it is nowhere near talented enough to actually be that.

>>154703820
But none of those fit.

Art can't be pretentious, since it can't hold pretensions about itself. Try starting a thread about pretentious directors next time.

>>154703867
>he thinks anime is actual art

>>154702314
older than 20 years
then again so is Eva

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People are defending Elfen Lied on /a/? What the fuck? It was horrible and so are you if you liked it

>>154703902
art is a buzzword at this point, and holding one form of media as having more inherent worth than another is a meme

>>154700740
All of the monogatari series.

>>154703933
There are zero (0) persons itt saying that it is good in anyway.

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>Fate/Zero
People pretend that it's complex narrative and character study when really it's just a clusterfuck with bad pacing and robotic characters (except Rider and Waver, they had the only decent arc)

>>154703933
No one's fucking saying it's good, they're just saying it's not pretentious. And it isn't, it's just a dumb edgefest. The fans managed to be pretentious about it for reasons I will never fucking understand, but the show itself is completely unapologetic lowbrow trash.

>>154703060
One character being pretentious, and then later rethinking it, is very different from the movie itself being pretentious.

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I don't know why you fags like it so much.

you posted it OP.

>>154704320
This anime wasn't pretentious, it was just shitty.

Why do you guys not know what pretentious means?

>>154701003
>Psycho-Pass
YEah, i actually liked it but all the pointless "smart" quotes without context just came across as unnecessary.
I mean, this one girl that made pretentious art out of corpses based on shakespear plays got caught because her art wasn't as pretentious as her father did it and that's how they solved the crime.
Also those cool guns are stupid, if a real police gun would take like 5 seconds for authentification before every shot it would go straight into the garbage.

>>154704320
Isn't it obvious? It doesn't matter if its pretentious, the only thing that does matter is the fanservice.

>>154700740

In this era, I think that Elfenlied is not surprisingly grotesque.
Elfenlied was an anime of an old age.
I thought it was grotesque. but
Tokyo Goole was more grotesque.
Elfenlied took in all taboos.
But the content was great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnOu3qd9m2w

>>154704096
>complex narrative
Where?
>character study
It actually has this and you cannot deny it.

I found it to be a pretty good anime that knows how to dose action and breathers. Also, I liked the characters, and enjoyed the relationships they had with their servants. That they would get erased one after another is also another part of the ineluctability aspect I enjoyed that went well with the theme of the War.

That they more or less all got fucked in the ass by the events is just Schadenfreude.

>>154703820
Judging by the definitions of pretense.

>pretending or feigning; make-believe
>a false show of something
>a piece of make-believe.

That's literally all anime.

>>154702314
Stop this meme

>>154704371
>if a real police gun would take like 5 seconds for authentification before every shot it would go straight into the garbage.
if the Police in Psycho Pass worked the same way yeah. but the difference is police officers in real life are out patrolling and never know when they will need their weapon in the blink of an eye. in Psycho Pass everything is monitored by the syble system so theyre just at the office all day until someones hue gets clowded. so in reality the dominator is perfectly fine in the context of Psycho Pass.

if it has a scene of girl cutting her hair, it is automatically pretentious as fuck

>>154704320
Muh dialogues but I don't actually know nihongo

>>154704617
Yeah, the situations is pretty different, but when they encounter actual criminals it's still a major flaw. If it takes that long to recognize a criminal fine, but it looks like that goes pretty fats and they only have to wait for the voice and the transformation. To be fair, the show does not need to have that level of detail to be great, but it annoyed me every time.

>>154704883
So fucking Pokemon is pretentious lmao

>>154704918
I guess it is if they really wanted to show that

>>154704883
>talking shit about Now and Then, Here and There

>>154704987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmNh5iS3Yw

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>>154704883
>Ninja Scroll is pretentious

>>154705049
it reeks of pretentiousness

>>154700740
say what you want about Elfen Lied, but any series that has an autistic girl sitting in a puddle of her own piss is top tier

>>154702536
Does that mean you're autistic for calling it autism?

>>154705233
No, because autism in this context is perfectly clear. Nigga.

>>154705300
I'm saying that that's not what autism is and that you're being dumb.

>>154701927
>religious symbolism that means nothing
Such a unique and original opinion. Shame it's wrong.

>>154700740
Elfen lied isn't pretentious, its just some edgy crap that tweens eat up because its dark and mature

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Absolute shit

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>>154700740
Not even kidding, this has to be up there. I still like it though, it's well done pretentiousness.

>>154705453
Oh man I forgot this piece of shit exists.

One day I was arguing with these disgusting Shinbofags. This was either during the bake days or the madoka days. These fuckers insisted that this anime was a masterpiece and that I couldn't judge Shinbo unless I watched it. What a waste of time.

That lesbian bear show that came out a few years ago. I watched about four episodes before I couldn't take it anymore

>>154705380
>I'm saying that that's not what autism
Lurk more, you dumb nigga.

>>154705453
It was kind of hard to get through, but I remember liking the artwork.

>>154704320
I've seen a lot of stupid pretentious garbage as an Art student and Monogatari is not pretentious. It's blatant with its fan service and most of the conversations are either self-deprecating or relevant to the characters arcs. People watch like half of Bake and call the whole series pretentious

Ergo Proxy will always be it for me.

Waxing philosophical sophistry using AI named after said philosophers will never make my eyes roll any harder.

>>154701010
>>154702071
>>154705448
you have to go back

Not anime but the ending of Narutaru which was a shame because I was actually enjoying for a while

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If the author admits he only wanted to draw cool shit, and used the shitty story and characters in order to allow himself to draw boobs, monsters and gore, then im ok with it

>>154700827
Did you not see Elfen Lied's OP? It's the textbook definition of pretentious. The show itself acts like it has some profound insight on humanity's place in the world, when in reality it's gore porn for teens.

>>154702437
It's trying to be an adaptation of the manga, you fuck.

>>154703734
It uses signs and symbols typically associated with certain conventions but in the context of the show rings hollow. These symbols are appropriated to give off an air that the substance of the show doesn't reinforce. That's the definition of pretentious. Pretending to be something that it isn't.

If that's too hard for you to understand then you might be mentally retarded.

>>154701010
>>154702071 >>154705448
these

>>154703949
In what way?

>>154701927
The religious symbols are a red herring.

Yu-Gi-Oh!

>>154709974
yu-gi-oh, at least the early seasons, is too campy to be pretentious

>>154709974
seriously? It's a stupid card anime.

All sixty IPs that submitted replies to this thread belong to posers.

>>154711767
I only watch the good shows like Fooly Cooly.

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I seriously do not understand this show's popularity. Not only were none of the jokes funny but it was way too up its own ass and at times just an outright chore to sit through.

>lol out of order episodes XD
>lol, endless eight so deep XD

>>154711912
memes

>>lol out of order episodes XD
there's nothing wrong with this though

>>154700907
My thought exactly, the shitty wanna be GitS + Lain. couldn't get past episode 6.

>>154700740
the music was wonderful

>>154701003
>Also not pretentious, did you watched 20 shows in your life? What does Death Note pretends to be?
I have over 6tb of anime, I've been watching anime on analog VHS-based subs from around 1999.

Death Note tries hard to create a super-power master mind of the crime while doing poorly to try to convince the character is super intelligent. The L character is also a joke. The writer was obviously too intellectually limited to create convincing intelligent characters and a a realistic setting.

>>154712694
>realistic setting
aaand you lost me. it's a show where a notebook kills people, realism goes out with the premise. I won't argue that the characters are underdeveloped and one-dimensional though, they are. However, realism is not a byword for quality.

>>154700740
>>154700740

Goodnight PunPun

>>154703716
This

Does it count if I dropped Ergo Proxy?

>>154702079
>from the last 20 years
We're in 2017 anon.

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I don't even think there is a pretentious anime.
It's not as simple as it being edgy and bad. Elfen Lied, SAO, Code Geass. None of those are pretentious. Japan seems really good about this actually.
Something being pretentious requires it making itself and its values out to be something more superior than it is, usually while being pervaded with an implied disdain for plebs. There are two American movies I can think of that explore the same idea, where one does so while being genuine, and the other does it while being a pretentious crock of shit.
Falling Down is a really, really fucking sad movie that's really relateable. God Bless America is the same thing, if it were written and directed by an insufferable cunt for other insufferable cunts, and all of those cunts had a craving for underage girls.

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>>154705448
Go back to whatever shithole you came from and kill yourself on livestream.

Ghost in the Shell. Not even joking.

>>154716339
>anime

>>154700740
>pretentious

Am I the only one who thinks Elfen Lied hasn't aged well?

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>>154719893
>I don't even think there is a pretentious anime.
This.
If you think anime is pretentious I can't imagine you even able to read real literature.

>>154720276
Elfen Lied wasn't good to begin with.

>>154720297
How is that even related? Pretentiousness is about pretending to have depth, not about actually being deep. Also, did you purposefully choose a book with an anime, or what?

>>154720321
>Pretentiousness is about pretending to have depth, not about actually being deep.
Yeah. And as you can see most of times anon call anime "pretentious" because he doesn't understand something. Yeah Aoi Bungaku was called as pretentious too. How does it even possible for those people to read books?

>>154703716
So did Akame ga Kill in its early chapters, but I never really saw someone call that pretentious. Probably because the author decided to say "fuck it" and just went full on edge once he realized that most of his non-Jeager villains were one-dimensional serial killers, rapists, or tyrants.

tokyo ghoul is literally elfen lied, and its pretentious to say otherwise

>>154720160
GITS does it right tho its post-cyberpunk kimo
psycho pass on the other hand jesus christ
>tryhard2deep4uweskimmedsomebooksonwiki tier

Captain Taylor is pretentious

>>154720482
aria fans are the worst

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Psycho Pass. Not a single episode could go by without namedropping multiple novels and philosophers. Almost always it was done with zero attempts to naturally integrate them into the plot; just to make the characters seem more cultured. The overarching plot was full of holes and it was laughable how they kept trying to pass Makishima off as this intriguing and unclassifiable personality when all he could do was cite better works. Still a fun show and that's why it counts as one I've actually seen, but it's Urobochi at maximum schlock.

>>154700827
>It's was an insult to my intelligence
To your what?

>>154720676
>GITS does it right tho

If it did then it wouldn't be pretentious, which it is.

>it's another "animes I'm too retarded to understand are tryhard edgy" thread

captcha: mango

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I'm still not sure whether it's very clever in the sense of a de-construction of its source medium or if it's very cheap and simply throws references to distract you while the cheap 4th wall jokes make it seem more self-aware than it is.
The cultural and linguistic barriers are far too thick to reach a clear answer anyway.

bump for salt

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>>154700740
Elfen Lied is just edgy, and it's good edge because of Bandou
>>154700907
THIS is pretentious
MUH RAISON D'ETRE

>>154708999
Or they just took it too look cool and potentially have no idea what exactly they are referencing, seeing how random it is and their is no uniform thing they pretend to be.

If that's too hard for you to understand then you might be mentally retarded.

>>154702071
uh this anime is popular? i don't like when others like the same thing as me, let's rate it poorly

>>154702071
That's some /mu/ levels of contrarianism right there.

>>154711952
True in a general sense, but for Haruhi it felt more like filler because otherwise there'd only be enough episodes for an OVA.

>>154702529
"Pretentious" has been ruined as a word for years. You're out of the loop. It means, "I don't like it."

>>154705453
The artwork and soundtrack are great though.

>>154700740
Your favourite anime

>can't have a Klimt-inspired opening because it's "pretentious"

he painted real good fucking pictures what's wrong with appreciating the aesthetic

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Lain and maybe Bakemonogatari a little bit. I really liked the aesthetics of both of these series, but i have to admit they feel a bit pretentious at times. Lain MORE than little actually.

>>154703060
That wasn't a real bible quote...

Punpun. It was completely trash and the way punpum dealt with life's problems was so unrealistic. It also made a bullet wound out of a small scratch

Madoka

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>>154702071
>jin-rou
>2
motherfucker yes I mad

>>154700922
im glad im not the only one

>>154700922
>gnesis
But you are somewhat right, I think Anno admitted that all the christian stuff was just for show.
Even the title is pretentious as fuck, and if you are Greek like me, nonsensical.
Still pretty good animu 8/10

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>>154700827
>Elfen lied is more edgy than pretentious

Something is edgy when it pretends to be dark or controversial but it fails in the attempt.

Elfen Lied was actually dark and controversial, or at least it was when it came out. Everyone was genuinely shocked at it.

Of course this doesn't mean it was good, but was certainly controversial, so you can't call edgy.

With time it became a meme, the banana in the ladder and people forgot or doesn't even know why it was so bad.

Now anything with mutilation or abuse is considered "edgy" regardless of it being shocking, dark or not.

The proof that this anime was actually controversial and not some pretender (edgy) is that 12 years later people still talks about it.

>>154716339
How is it pretentious ?
Im genuinely wondering, its edgy sometimes, but the shape change shit has meaning

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>>154709236
Mob Psycho and its moralfagotry.

>>154729712
>Something is edgy when it pretends to be dark or controversial but it fails in the attempt.
Edgy is a vague term, but I've never seen anyone attempt to classify it as you have.

>>154728948
the correct answer

>>154700740
i don't watch pretentious anime ! also elfen lied wasn't pretentious ! i prefer to call it edgy , the only pretentious thing about it was the opening theme but only because it didn't fit inthe anime . still a great op tho

>>154700827

>intelligence

They didn't tell you an IQ of 100 is kinda average.

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>>154701003
>Psycho-Pass.

>>154708402
It's not fault of OP's director that the show was shit. He just made a good OP that got the theme of the show better than the show itself.

>>154702619
It is. It's actually comedy gold.

so what exactly is the difference between pretentious and edgy ?

>>154720482
nhk wasn't pretentious tho

>>154730833
How do you call those kids that want to be dark but just happen to be ridicoulous instead?

They want to look bad but they aren't at all. That's the very essence of "edgy", the fact they want to look dark, but aren't.

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>>154700922
These.

>>154735233
You can be edgy without trying (and failing) to be intellectual or philosophical, or artistic.
Pretentiousness is more about feigning complexity while being shallow, edgyness is more about a certain form of shock value.

>>154700740
Spanish Elfen Lied Op
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ederSz75Pdc

why amerikkka cant compete?