What if JoJo had got an anime adaptation sooner ?
Reasking the question here since last thread reached bump limit
Why did everyone in Part 4 know Jotaro can stop time? Its not like that is easily deductible and Jotaro never stated he could stop time. Hell it took an ability that ""counters"" Dio's timestop, since it can sense instantaneous movement, and some quick thinking to find out Dio could stop time. So how did the part 4 villains like RHCP or Hazamada know Jotaro could stop time? Why did they all want Jotaro out in the first place?
>come back to the thread right after a new one was posted
Joubin is the cutest main antagonist we've gotten yet guys!
The OVAs are what one could expect from 90s JoJo anime. Great animation, less faithful to the source.
Davidpro would be shat upon for "shitty remakes" justified or not.
Why was Joseph so cutely drawn in this episode?
Post things we can all agree on
> Part 2 is the most over rated part
> kira is at least in the top 4 of JoJo villains
> Killer Queen has one of the beat designs
> Wham is best killer man
> Jotaro got better when he got less screen time
> Araki truly has changed as a writter
It saddens me we could have gotten a Part 4 and Part 5 anime in the 90's/early 00's but it never happened and never will happen.
Can you imagine Jojo in the quality of the old YYH anime?
Looking for a high res high quality version of Gyro smiling
Ah fuck, I missed the new thread
I wouldn't say his motives, I would say it's his charisma that needs work. Giorno's a wet towel and being too cold and calculating was not something his character needed. If he were truly like DIO a more larger than life persona would've been necessary
Someone excitable and optimistic that can get the gang to enjoy his presence and pull off being the heart while Bruno was cold and calculating in his actions like he already was. He's fucking 15 and acts like he's 30, Giorno just lacks traits to him that really don't make him feel like an enjoyable partner, let alone a leader. Most of Part 5 was the gang saying how great Giorno is instead of showing us that he was, with exceptions like Green Day where you got to see an earnest scene of sheer badassery out of him
Even young Jonathan showed more charisma than Giorno
In my opinion the OVAs surpass the DavidPro anime in every way (besides voice acting). It might be because of my boner for everything pre-2000, but I believe that the animation and fight scenes are better. Also the gore is totally uncensored which is a plus. I would've loved to see the Phantom Blood movie (as it was animated by the same studio of the OVAs)
Jotaro is a fantastic character when not attached to voice direction from hacks
The best jojo is either Johnny or Gappy
But it kinda sucks Kira had the most plot-shield among the JoJo villains, dude that was that glass canon he got rekt by a half-dead Jotaro.
Some Dio mooks survived Jotaros punches, thats sad.
>Kira had the most plot-shield among the JoJo villains
He had a watered down version of Kirito's patented Plot Armor™
I'm going marry Jobin.
I have a thought that the only reason why Jobin's hair clip didn't move when he was wet was because without he'd look like FBM.
HE kinda gives me that vibe when he's scowling at Yasuho.
Araki, why did you make him so handsome? I don't want him hurt when Gappy finds out.
>When Pucci was roaming Florida he was haunted by 3's
>touched a baby and it turned half older
>eggs from the store grew mature
Heaven is a hell of a drug
>Giorno is the only JoJo that doesn't have the Joestar Sex Drive
>He's the son of a gay vampire
I agree, he seems like the most human in many regards, not because of "muh realism" but because he fucks up often, even moreso than Jolyne, he's got a good will to fight but is also pretty emotional sometimes and was even ABOUT to let Gyro die for his own good, not to mention he was an asshole but became humble on the ride of life, he's also very dependant on Gyro and isn't perfect or crazy strong, at least not until Act 4.
Don't know, guess I relate to him.
Post unpopular opinions
>Ringo should've joined the main cast
>Narancia is best boy
I don't know, I think he just clicked with me.
I have a soft spot for low-key jerks like Kakyoin and Giorno, so when he showed up smugly stealing Koichi's luggage, only to be BTFO the next page then use a frog to complete his goal, I took a liking for the kid.
The fact that he is a kid also makes him very sympathetic to me.
I like how he can be a lousy 15 year old driver in one page and a stoic battle genius in the next one.
Giorno feels a lot like Jotaro in this aspect.
I read Part 3 and 5, I found Jotaro much more enjoyable than Giorno. The fact he can pull off badass stunts and does so the entire Part felt like he earned all his praise, while none of it being too overtly excessive like what Giorno gets. I see the similarities, but the situations feel too different for me to click with Giorno
Stardust Crusaders is way too lighthearted despite the stakes. Vento Aureo asks me to take everything much more at face value and the fights almost go too hard for there to feel like there's any levity. Shit like Talking Head and Clash feel more like useless filler and padding than a comic relief arc like Wheel of Fortune or Sun
I can get that he's a kid, but often times didn't really feel like a kid to me like Josuke was. Even Jotaro has tons of moments of levity with all his one-liners
speedwagon is shit
polnareff is shit
mista is shit
nutman is shit
as fun as jojolion is, it definitely is lacking and will be so long as weird shit like flashback man/wall eyes/bite marks/etc go unexplained
Inbetween parts 3 and 4 is when Jotaro and Polnareff go on their hunts to find arrows/evil stand users. I figure that the word spread around through the Stand user community that some douche that can stop time was murdering everyone
Bronce Time is good, but Bronce Time Sonata was bullshit
I liked Giorno's subtle personality a little more than Jotaro's just because it's the exact opposite of Jotaro's- serene and soft instead of cold and harsh. It made him a little more charming to me. Although when they both had their "goofy teenager" moments I enjoyed them about the same.
On that topic, though, there's something I never got about Johnny- why does he fucking loathe Diego so much? Maybe I haven't gotten to the part where he elaborates yet (still trying to find time to read 7) but it seems like he only hates Diego because he's a better jockey than him. Diego's not even that big of a dick to him until Diego joins Valentine. I just got done reading reading Sugar Mountain, will Johnny ever explain why he hates him so much or did I just not understand it well?
I know Diego dies butThe fact Diego just wanted to be mayor of Manhattan is so fucking hilarious to me. Do you think he'd abuse the power or would we see that Manhattan became a shining hub of progressiveness because Diego took his new position seriously
Reminder that he got renamed to fucking Zipper Man
Literally worse than Filthy Acts
A lot of the Part 4 renames just seem so unnecessary though since they're all just generic words
The Part 5 and 6 names are more obvious references. It's hard to get away with Aerosmith or Marilyn Manson
Why would you think that, anon? They were very good friends.
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I like how even with Giorno being efficient and inspiring, he's super clumsy and his plans frequently involve him getting fucked up. Jotaro is extremely efficient, he gets shit done without losing his cool, most of the time.
Not that I dislike Jotaro or his presence, but Giorno's whole attitude set him apart and make him likeable to me.
Regarding the levity of the parts, I agree that Part 3 is overall much brighter and colorful, but Part 5 has it's fair share of frivolous moments, try paying more attention to them in a future read.
These comedic scenes don't stand out as much as Part 3's because they're generally surrounded by serious battles, a lighter arc like 3 gives these moments a warmer treatment.
Like you said it, Wheel of Fortune and Sun are gags on a basic level, Clash and TH is written like an average battle arc, but with a goofy premise and a lot humor sprinkled on it. It's completely understandable that it doesn't work for everyone.
Definitely, pic extremely related.
Well unrelated to how I feel about his character, one thing you reminded me of how he "fucks up" is the Notorious B.I.G. arc and how important his hands were supposed to be. It came off as a complete moment of stupid since apparently Giorno can't use his powers without his hands so Trish is forced to grow as a person
read: not be useless
Like how the fuck is a punch ghost forced to punch things to activate his power. Does Crazy Diamond stop working if you cut off Josuke's arms? Star Plat's Time Stop? I mean thank God Baby Face didn't delet his hands, right?
Koichi was gonna look after him regardless, that is utterly irrelevant to stealing his luggage. Did you forget what the point of Koichi being in Italy was for?
Araki did once Giorno joined the gang
>Giorno is super clumsy and his plans frequently involve him getting fucked up
>Jotaro is extremely efficient, he gets shit done without losing his cool
Giorno is hardly ever allowed to look bad. When characters like Abbacchio try to humiliate him, they're immediately proven wrong and punished.
Jotaro, on the other hand, regularly is left looking ridiculous. He ineffectually steals an icecream from a little kid and is left looking like a crazy asshole, he's constantly disrespected by the runaway girl, he has to follow Steely Dan around giving him backrubs and shit while enduring beatings and public humiliation, he gets a copy of his own stand attacking him and acting like a retard in a dream, he gets Iggy putting gum in his hair, he gets Polnareff sneezing snot right into his face, Joseph shouts at him for being shitty at videogames in front of an enemy...
Well it was nice talking about good things about part five while it lasted for a surprising total of five seconds
Can we not go one thread without attacking the series we're supposed to be enjoying just because "muh fav part is better"
Eh, Anne started lusting over him eventually before she was kicked out of the crusaders. Poor Jotaro did get called a casual though
Koichi was still looking for Haruno Shiobana, stolen luggage or not. They were bound to run into each other again, Giorno just gave him more reason to hunt him down
I finally finished the part 4 anime and I'm still hungry for more.
I want to read the manga but should I just jump into part 5 or go back and read all of it?
also, colored or black and white?
Shitty anime pacing like how most people hate Part 3
Not an arc that really deserves a whole episode to itself, especially since it bleeds into the beginning of Enya's Justice
Reading from 1-4 is actually surprisingly easy with how short the early Parts are. Doesn't matter preference, you can read in monochrome or color
Color is honestly far superior to the anime colors. Especially Part 3
Some gross kid getting a crush on him doesn't nullify all the times she was rude to him, or all the other times Jotaro was left looking the fool.
It's also worth noting that when Boingo disguised himself as Jotaro and acting like an utter retard, Polnareff and Joseph didn't actually suspect anything. His companions didn't see him as being some cool and untouchable cool guy, and readers shouldn't have either.
you can start with part 5, david is super faithful to the manga
only a handful of part 5's volumes are colored in english, so you'll have to read it in black and white. color is good for everything else but early part 7 and all of part 8
You know what I just realized I literally have no interest fighting with you over whether or not it was Giorno's fault Koichi came to his house so congrats, you win, you're the better Jojo fan
Diavolo stop shitting on Jotaro. He's not the epitome of badass, but he's not some irredeemable goofball like Polnareff. A gag arc like Oingo Boingo doesn't change the fact he eventually becomes a reasonable figure that characters like Josuke and Koichi look up to
I'm content with Giorno not really having much relation, knowledge or interest in DIO. If that was what his character was supposed to be, it works eons better than "What if DIO was good??"
You can just jump in into Part 5 since the adaptation was faithful and just a reminder that part 5 hasn't been completely retranslated and it's mostly B&W. Go for colored on part 6 and as for part 7 I prefer reading in B&W instead of colored but it's all up to you.
They were fine, it just goes to show that the characters in-universe didn't take Jotaro as seriously as he would've liked.
I'm not Diavolo and I'm doing quite the opposite. Jotaro isn't some aloof, boring badass who never does anything but look cool, and it's bullshit that people categorize him as that. Particularly when many of the people that throw Jotaro under the bus do so in order to try and promote Giorno, criticizing Jotaro for things that Gio is much more guilty of.
Why do people think Jojo is "good"? What does it do better than any other manga series?
I need an explanation besides "it's fun". Fun is a buzzword that serves no purpose and people use it when they can't think of any real reasons as to why the series is good, which I guess is why every Jojo fan uses it.
Yeah he has a picture of the man who is his real father in his wallet and probably questions if he would be a good father or not. But we don't see him ever look at his wallet again for the rest of the Part or ever talk about him once. So it's easy to assume his heritage to DIO is unimportant
If it is, then it makes Giorno's character weaker
Eh, fair enough. I really love Jotaro's attempts at being cool
It's shonen that isn't what most people think of shonen like, and that's edgy powerlevel fights like two of the Big Three can be. Personally I love that it's a multigenerational series that always changes up the premise so it never gets stale
>how the fuck is a punch ghost forced to punch things to activate his power
Well that is how Heaven DIO loses to Jotaro in Eyes Of Heaven so maybe it is an unwritten rule of punchghosts that they must be able to use their hands if they want to use their powers.
It's a battle manga, it's not gonna have any further message that it's trying to preach but in-universe character relationships and interactions are the main thing that are 'deep.'
Does Part 7 have any deeper meanings and symbolism? Araki was clearly reaching for something.
I don't quite understand the True Man's World, the napkin and the mice which keeps reappearing throughout the part. Is there any real meaning to this stuff?
this honestly ruins the ending of 6 for me, jotaro not killing pucci with a free punch and not pinning him to the moon with the spear a la star platinum just made it feel forced
Well each separate part has an overarching theme, sure. Mostly relating to family/comradery. Araki's said that Part 7's theme is 'finding home' since each character is trying to find home in some way.
>Araki will at some point catch up with him
Religious themes and symbolism actually started at the end of Vento with the sleeping slaves chapters and it's had a strong permanence in Jojo since then. Like Evangelion, most of it is just because it looks cool to japanese people. Don't think to much about buff jesus appearing in Part 7.
These are Araki's song choices for the MTV marathon on the 18th.
Hey, my first JoJo figure is going to be Sticky Fingers.
On another note,
>mfw I just got caught up with JoJolion
I know the next chapter comes out in a few days, but Jesus, I still need MORE.
It's pretty much all but confirmed.
No other character really fits the bill, and there's more to his Stand than meets the eye.
I think when he finally has to do something truly despicable in order to stop Gappy, he's going to snap and go full megalomaniac.
The reason he's the best JoJo is because he has the most complex character arc BY FAR, out of not only any other JoJo but of any character, period.
The only other character that comes close in fact shares the same part:
Johnny is not only my favorite JoJo, he's one of my favorite manga protagonists of all time.
Gyro >>>>>>>>> Will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caesar
Caesar's death is the only important thing he ever did.
Part 3 is the most overrated part.
Other than that, I agree with everything else.
I like Donald Fagen's New Frontier. It's relaxed, and has a coziness to it along with the rest of The Nightfly. I'm pleasantly surprised to see Araki has a similarly positive opinion of it.
>Part 4 is the most overrated part
>Valentine is at least in the top 4 manga villains
>Killer Queen had his design butchered in the anime
>Giorno needed more screen time
>Araki has been consistent in quality the entire way through
Is Josuke's beatdown theme a homage to/stolen from Squarepusher?
The Squarepusher track (from 1997)
Was Steely Dan just disguised as a kebab merchant to ambush Enyaba, or did he actually own a kebab stand? It seemed pretty legit, from what we saw in the episode.
Yes. Steely Dan's first encounter with DIO was when DIO bought a kebab. DIO liked the kebabs so much he said that he'd help promote his brand if Steely Dan swore fealty to DIO.
I'd love a Beyonce reference just because there hasn't been one yet and its starting to feel unsatisfying that one of Lady Gaga exists but not one of the biggest icons in music in the past decade
The True Man's World was the conclusion to Gyro's main arc. Gyro is very much the main protagonist for the first third or so of SBR, which culminates in his fight with Ringo. TMW is Ringo telling him that he will have to kill in order to win this race. He cannot be so naive as to think that he can get away with wounding an enemy and running away. Since Ringo was the first real underling for Valentine, Ringo points this out to him that there will be more of him and they have a splendid duel to that end. It is part of Gyro's transition into a 'true man' who fights with all his heart for what he wants: a home with a father who recognizes his own strength and will of spirit.
Even though he dies, he succeeds.
The napkin is simply a metaphor for Valentine's entire reasoning for wanting the Holy Corpse. The person who takes the first napkin at the dinner table is the person who leads the rest of the people to do the same, indicating simply that it is time to eat. His goal is to be that host, but on the world stage, with the Holy Corpse being the napkin that no one else can have, and the power it bestows upon him to make America great and continue its hegemony.
The mice hearken back to Johnny's guilt at being in some part responsible for his brother's death. Johnny's backstory is the first real look at what makes him a good character, because up until that point, Gyro steals the show through sheer charisma and style. Johnny seems like a whiny, boring, selfish cripple in comparison (and he is). The mouse is a symbol for Johnny riding away from his past, but he doesn't accept it or his guilt until the pivotal Civil War arc, which quite literally makes him face his inner demons. He accepts and overcomes them but even this is not enough. He gets full closure in the last arc, when his father finally supports and forgives him for what happened, bringing his son's boots as a symbol of his own guilt and forgiveness.
tl;dr Yes, SBR is great.
Foo Fighters have some decent songs.
Early Marilyn Manson and RHCP were genuinely good.
Every time I listen to 1963 I think of Valentine and Johnny in the end..
I'd like Pulp,
I always feel Cioccolata's stand shoud have been named after Pulp song or another Britpop band. Would have made "Guy with the Oasis stand is a cunt who bites the hand that feeds them" a little ironic.
>limp bizkit kiss goo goo dolls prince vanilla ice cream queen ac/dc red hot chili peppers cheap trick sex pistols aerosmith the grateful dead metallica green day oasis the rolling stones boyz ii men u2 foo fighters marilyn manson reo speedwagon survivor fleetwood mac guns n roses spice girl lady gaga rihanna soul'd out and a ton more that aren't even worth bringing up
y-yeah great taste
Nigger you just listed some undeniably great bands
A single album or a couple of tracks usually doesn't justify years of being shit
Hot Pants From Another World's Cream Starter
He brought it back as a sign of goodwill.
He obviously still planned on killing Johnny once he reversed the infinite spin, because he just couldn't let it go.
>The Grateful Dead
>The Rolling Stones
>not good to great bands/artists
Neck yourself senpai.
Nice taste. Pesci is the real OG of La Squadra.
I really hope they keep the VA game music style. Pesci's theme is dope as shit.
Opinions coming in HOT.
I find it quietly amusing that Giorno's holes got bigger as the story went through.
For what purpose?
I really like Deep Purple.
I know we have barely seen the Stand, but I dunno, it just hooked me, especially considering how disheveled and thrown-together it seems compared to its user. They clash heavily in style and I like the duality.
I actually don't mind it's design either. I just don't think we've seen enough for it to be fully judged against things like NKC, S&W, Vit. C.
>HG, Harvest, Aerosmith in a row
Whatever floats your airplane I guess, but christ dude.
This took way longer than I wanted it to and it'll still be called shit for what it contains
Well that's fucking terrifying to see after coming home from night work.
The fuck happened to Jobin to get a stand like that?
Event Data Recorder. Page....4 or 5. Opening pages.
>What went wrong
>Gappy not wearing a seat belt.
>Dolomite instant spaghetti spilling.
>Tiny Jobin face
I loved you Joubin.
I'll pray you get a quick death.
The pages covered in the spoiler are: 4-10 and 45-48.
Here are the first four pages that weren't included in Yonkou's post
eyefag's biggest fan!
Am I doing it right?
HOLY FUCK, that was a fast release
>people will still think Jobin is the main villain after this
I hope Yasuho is going to check if she was raped or not, like Babyface's mother did, she probably had more reasons to because of how Melon acted but still.
I think it's kinda hot
>Be repressed as a child from being forced to be a trap so you survive a stupid disease your family has
>Get a clusterfuck of toys as your Stand
>Implying this is not main villain Stand-tier
How do these things not include a 'best cover'? At the end of the day the poses and art are probably my two favourite things in the series and the best covers have both of them. Pic very related.
Now I remember what it reminded me of.
Araki likes referencing classical art, no?
Touched parts - The temperature of a blood vessel touched by a finger can be raised a bit.
It seems that the temperature difference is several degrees Celsius.
That ability is not known by the members of the Higashikata household.
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I dunno if you guys noticed it but.
Joubin is literally going to become Esidisi.
Except he'll heat up your blood till you melt away.
What the fuck? Araki said that speed king had a hidden ability or it wasn't at its full potential or something.
It has to have something else to it, I mean jobin IS the main antagonist. Right?
It might seem stupid at first, until one realizes temperature over 40 degrees Celsius leads to protein denaturation, disrupts cell activity and can even cause cell death, hence why high fever is considered a bad thing. Since entire body is covered in network of blood vessels, I gather it can make one start bleeding from various points and may even lead to permanent brain damage.
I think it's just a reminder since it hasn't been around for years and UJ readers have never seen a stand page for it before. If there's any more to the ability then it'll be revealed through the events of the manga, not just one of these pages.
People are gonna talk shit but damn this is a scary looking motherfucker.
For me its a tie between arts and crafts and flaccid pancake
I'm sure this has been asked in here a million times already, but if I wanted to get into this series, where would I start? There's a lot of content.
Why is Josuke going for a swim? What happened here?
Part 1, Part 3, and Part 7 are all acceptable starting points.
Don't let memechildren tell you otherwise.
Part 1 and 2 are so short they're easy to burn through and Part 7 is skipping the entire original continuity for high quality story telling that the rest of the series can't offer
You can count, right?
>That ability is not known by the members of the Higashikata household.
Why was he so paranoid about killing Yasuho then?
There was a small face of Damo at one point.
Maybe the ground was previously Vit. C'd?
Not retarded answer: Don't forget the first part was "The man who lived by the pond" so he probably fell/swam/whatever into the water. Or it's the Blue Hawaii Loophole
>Part 3 stands are named after Tarot cards
stop samefagging, I'll give you this.
All of your favourite characters die