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Kumagawa best boy
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Zenkichi > *
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>>154591034
We all know that.
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I have never nostalgia'd over anything as hard as I have been over medaka box. It's driving me insane.

I can't even say stuff like medaka box is the perfect manga or even objectively good.
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>>154591801
Reader level basicaly not existant.
Zenkichi was the mary sue of the story and the author did not even try to hide or maybe he hid by being so open about it that basically nobody could really grasp and believe it.
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>>154592953
>Zenkichi was the mary sue of the story
no he wasn't speedreader
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>>154592953
his literal power cancels out mary sueness

Medaka was definitely a mary sue though. I am not sure why some many people argued against it.
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>>154592953
>Mary Sue
>one of the weakest fighters in the series
>acts selfishly and has an emotional breakdown because things don't go his way
>only meaningful victory in the series comes from his best friend getting a sneak attack in
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>>154593180
>>154593169
>>154593080
You have the basic 4chan understanding of a mary sue.
He is a mary sue more akin to the prime example of mary sues, bella from twilight.

If you actually give it a thought for a moment you will get it.

He is loved by literaly anyone, no one really hates him.
A guy whose entire nature is the urge to kill people and who secludes himself because of that is fine going out with him.
Gods and demi gods love him.
Ever fucking one loves him for no apparent reason.
Hell nisio even made a point out of this in one arc.
That arc even had him plan to mindbreak medaka so that he could reprogram her into being his lover.
This to the point that medakas own brother was supporting him in his plot.
When people point out this kind of nature you have people like shiranui who suddenly get angry and emphaze on how normal he is.

Mary sue is not exclusively related to fighting power.
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>>154593556
People don't like him for no reason, they like him because he is an honest to god good person and all around decent guy surrounded by psychos with larger than life personalities. He's normal in a world where no one's normal, which is the whole point of his character.
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>>154593556
No wonder I never cared for him.
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>>154593753
Would that protect him from someone who has an inborn permanent urge to kill anything and everything.
Would that make a god interested in him.

Do you ever question anything?

Hell nisio even showed us that he was not that good.
As said he planed to mindbreak Medaka and rewrite her personality and despite that he was still supported by Medaka's own brother.
He gets support for no apparent reason.
The same arc even showed us that most people antagonize Medaka and even if she has a valid point in her agenda people do not vote her just because they do not like her or because they like Zen.
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>>154593556
I feel like this applies to most of the cast of medaka box.
Particularly the loved by everyone part.
Also Akune fits it even better, I'm pretty sure his character is a parody of a mary sue.

>>154593941
>Would that protect him from someone who has an inborn permanent urge to kill anything and everything.
Well almost any fight on medaka ends up with befriending the rival, at least for the first arcs.

What would protect medaka from being hated by Unzen whose whole character is hating humans.
What would protect any of the elites who fighted with a minus whose whole point was hating the elites.
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FRESH
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>>154593941
>Would that protect him from someone who has an inborn permanent urge to kill anything and everything
The chairman himself said that the one thing Munakata needed the most was a friend. He was in full killer mode because he had no one to talk and relate to.

>Would that make a god interested in him.
Why not? For Anshin'in, she had spent her life watching a manga full of boring super hero characters that weren't that super compared to her. And along comes some schmuck who wants to go directly against that manga-like existence with Devil Style.

>he planed to mindbreak Medaka and rewrite her personality
He really didn't. That was something he realized after he had beaten her (that he immediately gave up on), not something he had planned from the start. He wanted to beat her and wake her up from her self sacrificial crusade he had started her on when they first met.
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>>154591034
>Kumagawa best boy
It's true.
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Some manga should get a second chance.
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>>154594209
and by that logic. wouldn't kumagawa also be a mary sue?
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>>154594209
>The chairman himself said that the one thing Munakata needed the most was a friend. He was in full killer mode because he had no one to talk and relate to.
Yes that surely lets psychopathic tendencies subside.

>Why not? For Anshin'in, she had spent her life watching a manga full of boring super hero characters that weren't that super compared to her. And along comes some schmuck who wants to go directly against that manga-like existence with Devil Style.
She surely could not have gone for anyone else that is a supposedly random noname, not that some of those were even aspects of her.

>He really didn't. That was something he realized after he had beaten her (that he immediately gave up on), not something he had planned from the start. He wanted to beat her and wake her up from her self sacrificial crusade he had started her on when they first met.
More like last second save in realizing that what he wanted to do was totaly wrong.

Hell it feels like you guys even missed the point that Zen is the child of a superhuman loli mother and the relative of medaka that won the first wedding competition and had the right to marry her.

>>154594110
>What would protect medaka from being hated by Unzen whose whole character is hating humans.
He did not hate all humans.
>What would protect any of the elites who fighted with a minus whose whole point was hating the elites.
Not all minus had a hate for adnormals or specials.
Think about kumagawa's two main companions in his ark.
He cared about literally nothing unless you said some stupid bullshit, she was a girl who had the urge to peel of the shit on wounds that close them up.

>>154593834
possible
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>>154594366
Not that guy but he literally hated by everyone. He's not even the strongest and he got beaten by Medaka in the end. Nothing sue about that.

Also he did brings up some good points.
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>>154594754
>he literally hated by everyone
except most of /a/ either they like him they like zenkichi more. and jew girl one of the not equals girl liked him abit.
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>>154594813
What does /a/ liking him got anything to do with it?
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>>154594596
>Yes that surely lets psychopathic tendencies subside.
hes' doing everything to not let those psychopathic tendencies get the best of him, and the whole point of that ac was that most of the abnormals felt isolated and alone because of their abnormality.

>She surely could not have gone for anyone else that is a supposedly random noname, not that some of those were even aspects of her
she wanted to make a point to herself that she can/can't do everything so she wanted someone close to being MC. which kumagawa failed

>>154594930
I was trying to add on against the argument that zenkichi is like by everyone for no apparent reason. that so is kumagawa.
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>>154595064
I'm pretty sure that guy meant by "Zenkichi liked by everyone" was he liked by every medaka box character. You don't include the readers in that mate, he's talking about mary sue which means liked by every character.

Like am I talking to a person? You literally can't misinterpreted that.
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>>154594134
so was Anshin'in's death meaningful to Medaka Box's plot and character progression or was it a meaningless sacrifice in terms of the overall story?
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>>154595519
something somethign about meta
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>>154595519
it was meaningful for plot progression and for the type of villain or meta character we be facing next.
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>>154595624
but was it necessary? was killing anshin'in the proper way to drive the point home?
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>>154595064
>hes' doing everything to not let those psychopathic tendencies get the best of him, and the whole point of that ac was that most of the abnormals felt isolated and alone because of their abnormality.
Wow great point, if there was not the fact that he isolated himself on purpose because his nature would make sooner or later get the better and force him to kill.
Now for someone it is okay for him to be with Zen, Zen out of all people when you have a guy that can literally dodge all incoming strikes in his sleep or a guy that could use his power to surpress any moves he would make to kill someone.
It is not like there was dozens of people who could have handled being around him.
But no the one person that is the magic exception is the guy that supposedly lacks the ability to take care of him around the clock.

>she wanted to make a point to herself that she can/can't do everything so she wanted someone close to being MC. which kumagawa failed
Which makes no sense considering there is the "I am the reader" guy, who she knows she could not beat in a direct confrontation.
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>>154595710
>a character with absurd amount of "skills" to the
>gets killed by a character whose not using any "skills"
>from this point on skills are pointless
yes I think it drove the point home. of course her death became sort of unsuspenseful afterwards by the characters themself
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Anyone know where this is from?
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>>154595771
>Wow great point, if there was not the fact that he isolated himself on purpose
isn't that what I just said? I said they are isolated because of their abnormality. whether it be on purpose or not.
>Now for someone it is okay for him to be with Zen, Zen out of all people when you have a guy that can literally dodge all incoming strikes in his sleep or a guy that could use his power to suppress any moves he would make to kill someone.
the abnormals ,I think, didn't know how to reach out and make friends themselves. its kinda like the hot blooded manga where two guys have a fight and then later become best friends. and most of class 13 didn't even bother going to school
>But no the one person that is the magic exception is the guy that supposedly lacks the ability to take care of him around the clock.
why would he need to be taken care of?he seemed to be doing fine he's keeping himself in check and was on the world's most wanted list for extra precaution.
>It is not like there was dozens of people who could have handled being around him.
I think in this case, it was about being accepted even if the person knew all that.
>Which makes no sense considering there is the "I am the reader" guy, who she knows she could not beat in a direct confrontation.
you got me there.
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>>154596267
You do not get the situation at all.

>isn't that what I just said? I said they are isolated because of their abnormality. whether it be on purpose or not.
Not really.
The point is that he himself instigated his loneliness, even from his family.
Remember girl with gun in her mouth was his goddamn sister.
He did this to prevent people being close to him and approaching him.
The fact is there would have been people he could have gotten close that could have handled his urges even if he lost control for a moment.
Now who does munakata go with?
He goes with Zen, his urges suddenly are no longer a problem as long as it is Zen.
The one person that supposedly is not special is so special that despite all the shit he did in the past to keep people away is not important anymore since he can be with Zen.
The guy that lacks the abilility to handle (what I meant with taken care) munakata if he cuts lose.
Zen is the magic exception to Munakata's problem.

I mean hey I could get it if some of them are like, like I want to be with someone who is not abnormal. But seriously to these people abnormal is their normal and people tend to flock to likely minded ones.

But ignoring all that, munakata is the one guy.
Really the one guy where it totaly makes no sense.
As he chose to be alone as to not endager others around and not because he cannot relate to them.

I think this should clear all the points you brought up.

SInce it is past 4 in the morning here I will leave now.
If the thread is still alive later on I will take a look at any possible answers.
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>>154596104
Come on guys. Where is this shirtless Misogi from?
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>>154597707
from the Manga duh
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>>154597679
>The point is that he himself instigated his loneliness, even from his family.
you just keep repeating yourself even though I answered you the first time

>He goes with Zen, his urges suddenly are no longer a problem as long as it is Zen
so your problem is that it was zen instead of akune or medaka's brother, well then you have a point there but it was medaka;s brother who said zenkichi should take this one. why? I dont know could be for a number of reason. but mostly is because hes a main character.
>The fact is there would have been people he could have gotten close that could have handled his urges even if he lost control for a moment.
except there hasn't been any.
>The guy that lacks the ability to handle (what I meant with taken care) munakata if he cuts lose.
again, hes kept himself in check this whole time. and even when fighting zenkichi, he didn't kill him.
honestly you have a better argument of how can someone have abnormal killing urge but hasn't killed anyone.

of course this is a pretty meta series, so the whole thing about zenkichi not being special while being special could just be one of the meta things that nisio focused on .

>If the thread is still alive later on I will take a look at any possible answers.
it won't be
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