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Where the FUCK is season 3?
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>>154511207
Not enough source material.
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>>154511207
The tax is all gone
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>>154511207
Still being written by Marmalade, another 2 or so volumes to go to have enough material.
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>>154511207
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!
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Pay your taxes kids
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>>154511207
It'll happen just after kin-
Just after despera.
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>>154511207
Does this have fan fiction like konosuba?
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>>154512472
Not anymore.
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This has got to be the most memorable OP song In existence.
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>>154513270
Much like the second opening to Psycho Pass people will never forget it.
It stays relevant too thanks to r/a/dio and mogra.
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>>154511622
/thread

resume DATABASE
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>>154513270
>>154513344
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I want to marry a chuuni pocket ninja.
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>ywn sip tea in the database
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>>154515691
>ywn adjust glasses in the database
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>>154511207
What makes this different to the usual isekai shit? I'm interested
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>>154516376
They game the system for the first couple of weeks. Think Runescape stock market
Then it becomes Dark Souls as it turns out that players are going Hollow.
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>>154516376
Excellent world building, not just in the anime, but all the side material.

The video game systems are thought out well and given quite a bit of attention. They don't feel half-assed like in some other series.

It's great if you have fond memories of playing MMOs

The supporting cast is fantastic.

Catchy OP.
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>>154516376
Rather than being trapped in an MMO, the characters find themselves transported to another world that works like the MMO. While most video game isekai series use the game world as an excuse for the setting, Log Horizon spends a fair amount of time dealing with MMO mechanics. It's probably the only series that actually feels like an MMO.

Further, it doesn't deal too much with general combat or an ultra powerful MC. He gets by more with his keen mind and his vast knowledge of the game. There's a large focus on teamwork and such. The MC is an Enchanter (a straight buffer) so might of the battles he engages in involve him directing and supporting his friends and guildmates.

Overall it's not terribly action focused, but deals more with politics and economics, though there is a big war against goblins in the first season and two raids raids that occur in the second season, so it's not like there isn't any action at all.
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>>154513270
>>154513344
>>154513386
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I hope Mamare gets along well with his imouto.
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>>154517044
She's just a bit tsun is all.
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>>154516888
Second season was a mistake.
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>>154511207
Is there even anything to adapt?
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>>154513270
Colors and TTGL's OP were memorable too.
Also KIMI TO
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>>154511207
its in the DATABASE
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>>154516888
Log Horizon and Overlord are similar in that they focus heavily on setting development and the game-like parts of the world are literally part of the world's physics, with interesting consequences besides games.
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>>154517694
>spoiler

I heard it
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>>154517934
Carnival/Grand Order when ;_;
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>>154517963
Fucking Kino got another season anon.
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>>154517963
>animated Scathatch never

It's like they hate money
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>>154512643
What happened to it?
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>>154518134
The data's all gone

It stopped once it was picked up officially by Yen Press. Support the official release and all that.
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>>154517745
Overlord was alright, but I preferred Log Horizon where there were a lot of players and the MC, while smart, wasn't completely unstoppable and couldn't just steamroll over the opposition.
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>>154511207
Hopefully soon. It's one of the better isekai out there.
>>154518193
Jewpress strikes again.
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>>154517694
Don't forget

NOW I'VE LOST IT
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>>154511622

IT'S BEEN LITERALLY YEARS.

WHY ARE THERE NOT MORE VOLUMES BY NOW?
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>>154520075
Season 2 went past the source material. Each season used 5 volumes of source material not counting volume 9. They only skimmed over that one.

We still need more material for another 26 episode season.
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>>154520075
The anime went up to volume 10, Marmalade was writing volume 10 at the time. He is writing 13 currently.
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>>154520212
This shit always happens.

>This new anime I'm watching is fucking awesome
>Oh sweet, it's got a second season
>Man, this second season seems a little light on substantive content...
>Find out it's an LN that exhausted its content, and there won't be another anime season for 5+ years, which means everyone will have lost interest in another season by then.

So many series like this.
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>>154520389
People lost interest because of DEEN and Jew Press.
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did he finally manage to get out of prison?
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>>154520075
P R I S O N
B Y
T A X
E V A S I O N
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>>154520389
Have hope. Miracles do happen and have been happening noticeably as of late.

If Spice and Wolf can get new LN volumes, and possibly a new anime, then anything can happen.
I'm not talking about their daughter either. The original series will continue.
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I like Minori.
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>>154520691
You have shit taste
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>>154520552
Marmalade never went to prison and had already paid the back taxes before the tabloids ever got wind of it.
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>>154520552
He never went toprison.
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>ywn realize your old dream of enjoying three days of such laziness that you don't even take a bath
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>>154520587
>If Spice and Wolf can get new LN volumes, and possibly a new anime,
u w0t m8?
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>>154522023
...why not? It doesn't even sound hard.
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>>154522023
I do that for weeks on end, it's nothing special.
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>>154520691
I'm sorry. I wouldn't wish a fate like that on anyone.
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>>154518601
I still remember people posting it will be 10 years before ten press caught up with fan translation.
They have literally caught up now.
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>>154511207

<Starts a "players trap in an mmo" anime, never finish it

Almost as bad as making a show about zombies but never finishing it.
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>>154524573
But the whole point of the show is that they're not trapped in an MMO.
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>>154524637

My bad. A magical realm that a lot like the mmo they were playing. So it's an anime version of Dungeons & Dragons. Totally not the same thing. :^)
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>>154511207
Never ever the author got arrested for tax evasion or some shit.
>>154511711
pic related.
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>>154520585
I know you are trolling but just in case someone else is confused by this, no he did not go to prison. He had to pay a fine and is on probation.
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>>154524826
It's actually completely different, because when you're trapped in a game, the point is to escape.

>>154524853
No he didn't.
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Lenessia rules over Akiba as the new chairwoman of the Round Table.
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>>154524912

It's still an unfinished mmo anime.
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>>154525200
Yeah but it's actually a LN, and actually not an MMO.
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>>154524826
>MMOs are D&D
mhmm
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>>154516376
its not very popular so its okay to like it
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>>154525200
The WN is still in progress.
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>>154525270
Didn't Overlord slowly morph into being bad because it got popular and also because the general became a toxic cesspool?
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>>154525242
mmos exist because of d&d and are based on the same mechanics

>>154524912
the criticism of isekai has nothing to do with whether or not there is motive to escape
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>>154525366
>mmos exist because of d&d and are based on the same mechanics
So does literally every other rpg, but they're not the same.
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>>154525366
The criticism of isekai is generally because they're extremely poorly written, not because of isekai itself.
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>>154525339
yes its ok to like any isekai so long as its not popular like konosuba or SAO
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>>154511207
When people stop memeing about taxes.
In other words, never, because it's impossible to clear misinformation up.
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>>154525420
There's nothing wrong with Konosuba though
How is that Aliceaztion arc or whatever the fuck for SAO? Is it still garbage or is it good now, I heard a few people say it was good.
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>>154516376
First of all, it's not isekai.
And holy shit did /a/'s quality go down even further when the average faggot learned about that word. It's kind of amazing.
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>>154525395
they are the same for the purposes of story telling in another medium, yes. as their differences are not relevant except on a surface level outside of their medium
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>>154525491
It was kind of like 'cuck', but used like 'shonenshit' or 'moeshit'.
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>>154525521
>WoW is the same as 3.pf
End yourself you tremendous faggot
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>>154516376
The world building is top notch
The author actually has alot of experience with MMOs
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>>154511207
Never, the author was listed in the tax evader database wow wow.
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>>154525645
No he isn't
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>>154516376
The author came here a couple of times and that's why /a/ likes it.
In reality it's more boring and the author doesn't know what to do with the story compared to other isekai.
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>>154511207
There is literally nothing wrong with tax evasion. Politicans do it all the time.
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>>154525420
>isekai "fans" on /a/ in a nutshell: the post
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>>154517044
The imouto is probably a cake since he's actually in his 30s.
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>>154525229

A LN based on an mmo setting.
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>>154528374
Pointing out to him that his sister was clearly tsundere was great is still some of the most fun I've had on /a/.
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>>154516376
It's pretty unique in a way. I think stories can generally be divided into two different types: plot focused stories and character focused stories. A plot focused story is something where what's happening in the world - events, conflict, twists, etc. are the focus of the story. A character focused story is something where the plot doesn't really matter and the focus is put on character interaction. This includes slice of life, harems, comedies, etc. Log Horizon is a third type of story, something you see extremely rarely which is a setting focused story. Neither the plot or characters are the focus. The focus is mostly on the world in which the story takes place. Each arch is designed to reveal more of the setting to you. Everything that happens is to expand on that setting. Honestly, I think it's an inferior style of story. It's extremely slow paced and not very entertaining. But it's unique so it might be worth it if you want to try something new.


Aside from all that there's also Akatsuki who is very fuckable.
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>>154516888
Is Shiroe's 30s foresight/1% margin of error MP monitoring realistic for a raid coordinator?
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>>154516376
It's written by someone who grew up playing oldschool MMOs (UO, EQ-generation, etc) and tabletop RPGs, who has a history of writing stories from a unique perspective (same guy that did Maoyuu).

The story in Log Horizon is less about personal conquest and glory like a typical chuuni indagame series and more about exploring intriguing philosophical, social, and economic ideas in a framework of "well, what WOULD happen to society if such-and-such online game mechanic were suddenly injected into reality?"
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>>154520389
We're getting new Kino and Index, so I wouldn't give up hope just yet.
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>>154528267
>Politicans do it all the time
Politicians more often than not successfully evades them.
The average joe cannot.
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>>154525491
you're a fucking retard that doesn't know what isekai means. are characters from one world put into another unfamiliar one? then it's isekai, not whatever stupid definition you've made up from your 2 years of watching anime experience
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>>154529719
Yes, kinda.

I mean, all they are are people who know the game mechanics and fight mechanics of the raid bosses off by heart. In the top guilds where you can rely on every party member knowing their role and generally executing it near perfectly it means that the raid leader can look ahead and anticipate where large quantities of damage will come from
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>>154520511
Season 2 was so shit because of them.
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>>154520691
Somebody has to, I guess
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>>154525476
Kirito goes into a coma because of the evil NSA.

The surviving Law guys try to train up a peasant army in preparation for the Chaos invasion (Chaos are led by the literal God of Darkness who is also an evil NSA agent who eats souls like rape).

They get rekt, but Kirito's harem save them with GM accounts and deebeezeee powerlevels.

NSA connect UW to the internet and get 50,000 American players to connect (it was advertized to them as a beta test for a new AO-rated VRMMO where you're allowed to slaughter anything and everything you like, with blood and guts), they mass murder UW residents and think it's hilarious.

To defeat them the main characters get 2,000 Japanese VRMMO players to connect. Despite the difference in numbers the Japanese are superior and win because Asian gamer damashii.

Then PoH (who is also an evil NSA agent) unleashes a zerg rush of Korean and Chinese gamers who were recruited by being told this is the a Korean VRMMO that's in beta test but evil Japanese hackers broke into the server, turned off pain dampening and are torturing their countrymen.

Even when some Japs who speak Korean try to explain the situation to them they don't listen because hurr japanese

The other NSA guys are surprised this works, they thought it wouldn't be worth it because they didn't think Japan is more different from Korea/China than European countries are from each other (hur)

Koreans and Chinese overwhelm Japs because this is every Jap's worst nightmare.

Kirito wakes up (thanks to the literal POWER OF LOVE from his entire harem) and wipes them all out in one attack though.

(Also PoH's motivation is that he's Korean and he hates Japanese so when he got stuck in SAO he decided to set up Laughing Coffin and have them and the clearers kill each other for shits and giggles because Nips killing each other is hilarious.)

Kirito and Asuna become gods because of x10000000 acceleration.

The AIs explore VR space with rocket dragons.
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>>154532593
So...it's like GATE or something but even worse?
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>>154520840
What's wrong with her? I unironically think she's a good character.
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>>154532771
Not that guy but she is pretty annoying.
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Can someone post the image collecting all the glasses adjustments from each ep? I lost it in a crash
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>>154513270
About as memorable as hitler genociding the jews and 9 11
>>154516376
if you literally give beyond 0 fucks about character writing, you might enjoy it
Worst part is how 0.0001 dimensional everyone is and how everyone sucks off the main character for being a "strategic genius" when all he does is the most basic bitch shit
If you can look past that, it has some good aspects in its world building i guess?
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>>154533108
4chan has a filesize limit
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>>154533395
I can't believe this much terrible sense can be concentrated in one idiot.
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>>154532593
Is this for real?
Im glad i dropped it at the first alicization volume if yes


I liked AW better
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>>154534350
Also Kirito turns PoH into a tree.
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>>154511207
The datas all gone
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>>154529719
Most people can look that far ahead in an MMO fight given that they aren't retarded and know the fight already. Every role has to have that kind of foresight to avoid damage and manage resources properly. When you're leading the raid and have experience with the content/people it isn't hard to tell where/when performance will slack or damage will spike.
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>>154533395
>everyone sucks off the main character for being a "strategic genius" when all he does is the most basic bitch shit
If you've ever played an MMO before you'd know that this is totally accurate to the real experience. The vast majority of MMO players are drooling retards that struggle to perform the most basic of human functions. Anyone with even the slightest hint of charisma becomes chad thundercock around them.
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>>154516376

MC is far more tolerable than your average isekai-style protag because he's an actual adult who's more interested in being a force for good via politics and diplomacy, rather than dealing with a harem while beating people over the head with a sword and moralizing.

It's no masterpiece, but it's a comfy show with solid worldbuilding, a good sense of scope, and a fun roster of characters.

Shiroe's keikaku is always entertaining as well, as the show balances it just right with the proper amount of piss-taking of his "all according to keikaku" stylings to let you take him seriously, but not too seriously.
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I want to marry Akatsuki
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>>154532456
Those bitches went through an entire volume of new introductory characters in one episode then padded out the scrub volume for an obscene number of episodes.
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What volume of the lightnovel is being written right now?
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>>154532593
Absolutely disgusting.
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>>154513340

Memes don't count anon.
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>>154516376
The plot is a bit more stable. There's no grand contrivance to explain why a video game is reality- it just happens. One day everyone wakes up in a popular, decade-old MMORPG.


There's no high stakes either. It's not a death game.


So if nothing else, it's at least original in the sense that it uses Isekai as a means to study the human condition as opposed to....killing bosses.
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>>154529719
It's pretty realistic, yes, assuming you're in a MMO guild that are actually good players and raiders.

It's not the thirty seconds part that's impressive though, it's the 1% margin of error. Like, you'd expect a raid leader to be able to look ahead around 20-30s to guess what's coming, but a 1% margin is a really, really good one.
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>>154539366
Seriously if you read Vol. 9 you will fucking hate DEEN even more.
How could they do this? Thinking about it made me angry again.
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>>154539530
Currently ongoing: Vol 13 as a Web Novel.
Latest physical paperback publish: Vol. 10
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>>154540151
so a minimum of 2 years before season 3 becomes possible i guess
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>>154539748
I'd say the real unrealistic thing is that a guy who had zero experience with organization/community both in real life and in game, just one day decided "we need a government", established one, and made it work.
But oh well, got to move the story forward somehow.
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>>154540628
He had experience with it in real life and he was the best strategist in the entire game
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>>154540662
>He had experience with it in real life
Where is that mentioned? He's a college student who played a MMO for 8+ years. And we know he certainly was not casual.
Being the raid strategist is also very different from running a government.
I'm just saying this is one part where the suspension of disbelief was a bit more difficult for me.
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>>154540806
He wasn't just the raid strategist, he basically did all sorts of organising and arranging, primarily because Kanami never did any at all. He got pretty good at adapting on the fly.

It's mentioned a few novels later that Krusty and Isaac both know that he's really good at administrating and organising, as well as ordering stuff, so they deliberately dump paperwork on him.

>>154540628
Deciding they needed the government felt more to me like an sideline to what he really wanted to do, which was keep newbies from being abused and put some life and spirit back into the city.
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>>154540969
That's still quite a leap. The Debauchery Tea Party was not a guild after all, it did not require quite as much administration as a guild (otherwise he would've just joined a guild or formed his own).
He's probably not the only one to think "We need a government" but to have both the confidence to step up and the knowledge to make it work, he would need experience in actual administration work, something like a community organizer for the least.
I guess we can just assume Shiroe was just a strange occurrence because the similar thing did not happen anywhere else, everywhere else in the world was in chaos.
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>>154511207
Where the fuck is season 2? Oh yeah, it sucked rat ass.
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>>154541458
>because the similar thing did not happen anywhere else, everywhere else in the world was in chaos.
The rest of the world all had its own reaction.

In Europe, for example, it went full Knight Adventurers saving princesses in castles.

In America it went to complete chaos because somebody discovered the food trick and monopolised it.

In Australia they all basically came together faster than just about anybody else and got to work giving Landers rights, working on how to get home, and taming dragons/wyverns as mounts to ride.
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>>154541625
Where did Europe and Australia get mentioned? I don't recall that in the LN.
We know what happened in America because Leonardo came from Big Apple.
In China it's in complete chaos due to a guild war mechanic that's only applicable in China. Guilds waged devastating wars against each other, not because they want to become the rulers so much but rather they were afraid of being ruled over by the other guilds.
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Supplementary materials and such, plus an annotated map thing. If I could find it right now I would, did a cursory check and turned up nothing. I'll look more later. I fucking KNOW that I saw it just a few days ago.

Also posting database.
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What is Log Horizon the guild? I mean, what did Shiroe see it as? What did Shiroe want his guild to be?
If it's just a home he wanted, he could've just joined Crescent Moon. That guild was like a second home to him anyway. Marielle probably would even make him the guild master.
Guilds were generally formed with a purpose, raiding, trading, or socializing. If he just wanted a place for he and his friends, Crescent Moon would've worked perfectly. If not that, then what? It can't raid, trade, research, or manufacturing. Unless Shiroe also wanted his guild to also work as a special task force? In that case Nyanta and Naotsugu were way too underutilized.
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>>154543534
It's a place where he can spread his network arround Akihara for domination.
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>>154543534
His home, I suppose.
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>>154541808
Supplementary material. Africa went full warlord, The middle east nuked itself or something (could just be confusing it with the fact that the devs left all of Jerusalem blank rather than get involved in that mess), Korea had a person with a rare subclass called food fighter which makes any food he/she feeds a person with using her hands have taste so she basically became a GOD.
Europe also has a giant flying fortress with expansion monsters in it.
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>>154541625
>>154545578
Don't forget that somewhere on the american server there's a group/cult of landers that worship this huge eldritch beast that roams their lands.
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>>154545677
And Mount Rushmore is filled with GOLD.
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>>154525606
>The world building is top notch
>The author actually has alot of experience with MMOs
There is also the LH online game to play.
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>>154534350
>Is this for real?
>Im glad i dropped it at the first alicization volume if yes
Kirito is way more powerful than ever before in Alicization. Time and Space powers.

But that's how "power inflation" works in series where the "kirito type" character exists. As the fans get used to one inflated power level, they need ever bigger doses of super powers to keep them self-inserted into the harem story and to keep buying merchandise.

SAO is good at selling merchandise and the IP management team is competent at pacing out other stories such as the movies to maintain interest while more new material is being developed. If not for that, then it would not have had all the anime.
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>>154516376
It's actually written by people who understand MMOs, how they are played and the people who play them.
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>>154520389
Shana was the first one that did this to me. Gantz got me as well, even if it was a Manga not an anime.

Then now we have Re;Zero and Log Horizon.
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>>154543534
It allows him not to be restircted by the reputations or the large guilds I imagine.
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>>154524573
When is the last time you have heard of someone completing Everquest?

MMO's aren't made to be beaten, they are a cash cow and will continue adding new content until the players quit, but players of Elder Tale can't log out, so infinite money for the devs
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>>154541625
America got split. East cost (Big Apple Server) collapsed with riots. From what I understood the West Coast was in fairly good shape and many players were in the process of trying to "go to California." I remember wondering if Mamare had read Grapes of Wrath.
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>>154520389

that is because anime in japan is publicity for the original source material, you are supposed to know japanese and buy the volumes/novels/mangas after you watch the show.
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>>154532593
Thanks, this summary always gives a good laugh
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>>154543534
He's a pessimistic bastard that thinks any guild that asks him to join just wants to use him as if that's not a two way street. That's the point of teamwork. They want to use him to get stuff because they can't just solo it individually or at least are worse off.
When he wanted to do a raid who did he have available? Almost noone except some dudes that felt bad about fucking up a chance to rise to powah (that would hve done it anyway for the new phat loot) and his actual/former enemies.
Maybe I'm just biased because my only MMO is FFXI which was ridiculously party based for everything for over a decade but shiroe just does not seem to get that wanting to hang with or form a team with player known to be skilled is the default. While there probably were those trying to take advantage of him the vast majority probably just had more fun when the battles all went smoothly instead of the turdburgler they'd be stuck with if they couldn't find him. Notice how everyone else is generally more cool with him than he is of them.
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>>154532593
Better than log atleast.
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>>154520389
Same situation with music.
You have your entire life to write your first album.
If you do well, you only have 6 months or a year to make your second before your irrelevant.
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>>154528772
I like where you were going with that.

The only piece I was add is that log horizon was very dialogue driven as well. I know this basically fits in with the character development side but the reoccurring conversation tone was related toward doubt. Unlike in many other shows where doubt only comes up for a glimpse and then the main plot answer/solution is revealed immediately before it occurs.
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>>154533108
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>>154551574
Fucking amazing
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>>154551574
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DATABASE
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>>154553840
DATABASE
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>>154543534
He wanted to have a home on his terms, basically. He is a shy and distrusting person by nature. His previous experiences of being in guilds left him cold to the idea.

He loved DBT because of the people in it and because it was just a gathering of like minded highly skilled people who just wanted to raid with eachother with no Guild Drama attached.

He has essentially sought to re-create that feeling with his own guild, Log Horizon.
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>>154516376

It's a more realistic take on what would happen in such a scenario, and it establishes the rules and limitations of the world quite quickly and consistently.

The story as a whole is more interested in how people would form groups and what they would do in them, what abuse would take place, and so on.

You have scenarios like needing to train up lower levelled characters to a level where they unlock core gameplay features like a backpack. In a MMO people would do it by themselves, but in an alternate reality it would be a conscious act of a society to ensure they look after their others.
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>>154547634
>LH online game
Wait, what? I know of the TRPG of course but
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>>154532593
Jesus what a steaming pile.
I really have no patience for people who utter SAO and LH in the same breath, these series have absolutely nothing in common besides "muh in da game".
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Did the Log Horizon TRPG ever get translated?
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>>154557540
I know bits and pieces did, but don't know if it ever got fully translated.
Perhaps it did and I just missed it.
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>>154549711
Why do Asians have an obsession with commiefornia
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>>154557678
Mamare had probably been watching Gangs of New York when he came up with the idea of the Big Apple server collapsing from rioting.
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Why did they change her outfit? The old one was so much better.
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>>154559464
She got new gear. Only noobs choose aesthetics over practicality.
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>>154559504
The rest of them are still using the same gear, though, aren't they?
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>>154559546
Only at the start. They all upgrade. Shirou and Naotsugu were obviously slacking on raids.
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>Make LH thread
>5 posts then it dies
>Make LH thread and open with "WHERE THE FUCK IS SEASON 3"
>Thread hits bump limit
Stay classy /a/.
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>>154516888
Serara is a fat salaryman man in real life right?
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>>154559795
You forgot the furry part.
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>>154559840
I thought that was a given?
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When you think about it Souji really has it all going for him.

>dtb connections
>close friends with Shiroe, Nyanta, and Naotsugu
>has a unique overskill
>top tier gear and weapons
>has a harem
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>>154559894
Fair enough.
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>Tfw listening to Wonder World and waiting for another season
It could be the ED for real life.
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>>154534548
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>>154562586
This is not nyanderful.
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>>154562586
Serara's nose is a bit too big.
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>>154560024
The thing is, while Souji technically has a big harem most of them fucking suck. Shiroe's harem is smaller but it's much better. Quality>Quantity.
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>>154562586
that nyanot okay
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>>154563706
I disagree. Souji has a real solid main harem with him. The ones that get actual screen time/panel time are great girls.
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>>154532593
>win because Asian gamer damashii.
Not exactly unfounded. Damnable japanese mmo addicts.
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In your ass cause it's shit
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>>154564143
Back to your SAO containment thread.
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>>154559613
Nao was upgrading on his own. Shiroe was getting "gifts" of gear to him for being on the round table.
>>154560024
A shame there's no translations in sight.
>>154564041
Not really. You have the same tier of people on the American side except there's a bigger pool of people to draw from. The NSA idiot probably neglected to make sure the server was outside of Japan so that everyone else had some server lag.
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>tfw season 3 airs in 5 years and no more database op

Will it still be Log Horizon?
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>>154564769
Season 3 would immediately be a disappointment if we cannot DATABASE post during the livewatch threads.
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>>154564769
Keeping DATABASE was the one thing DEEN didn't fuck up. They are so lucky they bumbled their way into Konosuba.
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>>154564769
If we get Season 3 in return, it's worth it. No more Database posting but what I'd give to see the cast back on screen.
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>>154551574
Thank you anon
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>>154511207
>Likes to put Economic plot devices his stories
>Tax evades
heh
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WHO'S THE REAL SUCKER NOW?
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So what class would you dudesters pick

I wouldn't mind being a Summoner, summoning a high tier monster, kicking back and watching go ham on some fauna for me every once in a while.
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>>154566620
Knight. I need to keep all my kouhai safe.
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>>154564310
In my experience, the quality of players is around the same, but the amount and type of cooperation is very different. American players want their group to not fuck them over. Japanese players don't want to fuck over the group. In terms of getting shit done, the latter works a lot better. But a lot of this kind of only matters in public group settings.
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I appreciated it tried to be more realistic than other's in it genre but honestly I just found it boring. There was zero tension or drama, just politics and the odd waifu.
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>>154566771
>and the odd waifu.
Waifu does not mean girl newnigger.
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>>154566620
Weeb healer ever since Nazuna went full Kekkaishi
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Is she retarded?
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>>154566771
>odd waifu
waifu=/=cute girl
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>>154535689
>Most people can look that far ahead in an MMO fight given that they aren't retarded and know the fight already.
This is more on the principle of the people first running the raid though, the people who are the first to take down those raid bosses. Memorizing a raid in advance is significantly different than what the pioneers go through.
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>>154567069
> waifu=/=cute girl
mind == blown!
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Guys I miss Mamare posting
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Just watched this for the first time.

Why were the players such uppity dicks to the NPCs during the Goblin King event?

A horde of goblins is coming to slaughter and rape thousands of innocent NPCs (that are now sentient and have thoughts/feelings). The NPCs are all weaker than players and die when they are killed. Meanwhile the players are immortal killing machines that only lose a few memories when they die.

So obviously the NPCs want the players to deal with the goblins (just like they've been doing for years). Yet, apparently this is way too much to ask of the poor players - so much so that one of the player leaders throws a tantrum mid-meeting and breaks the desk with his fist.

I mean the end result was okay (encouraging players to help because they want to, instead of trying to guilt them into it) but jesus christ it seems like every player except the kids brigade has zero empathy for the NPCs and their lives.
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>>154567928
It's a metaphor for western/eastern culture clash. Landers == classic Japanese social conformity and harmony, Adventures == western individualism and liberty. Shiroe/Log Horizon's goal is getting the two to meet in the middle.
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>>154567928
Just because the rich have money doesn't mean they should always give to charity. Only those who want to do so. Though even that's not all that great a metaphor since the players are losing more than a rich person would by giving to charity.
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>>154567928
It's not a game anymore, it's gonna be a world that they have to make their lives in. So they don't want the people of the land to just expect the adventurers to automatically get rid of monsters every time there is a problem. That's a very one-sided relationship and can not be sustained.
The issue was those lords wanted the adventurers to help but they don't want to appear weak so they never actually requested for help. They just wanted somehow coax the adventurers into volunteering. That of course can never work.
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>>154567928
Just because you're rich doesn't mean you need to help the poor. It's not about being uppity, it's about the NPCs literally saying "no it is your job, your duty, to risk your life and die instead of us".
Yes, a rich man can donate the charity, but nobody fucking appreciates being screamed at by poor people to feed them when the rich man can easily leave them to starve. The players don't need the NPCs, but the NPCs need the players. The NPCs are the ones begging for help, they have literally no right to act uppity.
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>>154568769
>The players don't need the NPCs, but the NPCs need the players.
This is not quite true though. The Round Table knew they couldn't sustain their own economy if the NPC kingdoms got wrecked. That's why they decided before meeting with the NPC lords that they would help (of course this was actually a mistake too because the Round Table can't order adventurers to go to war), but they will only help after the kingdoms issued a formal request.
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>>154568830
>this is not quite true
It's certainly true, Shiroe even specifically notes that there's no real reason they would need to save the NPCs besides goodwill. Yeah, it would hurt their economy, but not necessarily to the point of unsustainability esp. since none of the people to the west would get wrecked.
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>>154511622
>The whole right part of the table is staring at Marielles ass.
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>>154568861
No, Shiroe said that during the public speech to make himself appear cold-blooded and callous, in order to contrast the princess, to make her seem noble and brave.
The Round Table decided to go to war before the NPC even asked. They reached this decision not just for goodwill but for practical reasons too. The NPC kingdoms getting wrecked would be bad for Akiba too.
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>>154568928
Wouldn't you?
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>>154566620
>I wouldn't mind being a Summoner, summoning a high tier monster, kicking back and watching go ham on some fauna for me every once in a while.

Summon a perma-loli like this guy from the Debauchery Tea Party who now lives in Minami.
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>>154568956
Either way, as far as the nobility would've been aware the players had literally no need of them from a realistic IP point of view, so acting high and mighty was obviously going to backfire.
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>>154568058
>>154568139
Yeah, I don't have any problems with overall theme of the arc (and how it's a necessary problem to deal with in the long run), just the way the characters acted was a bit off for me.

>>154568095
>>154568769
Why are you comparing saving innocent people from imminent certain death to "rich people giving money to poor people"?

If you're a race of super-human soldiers that can't die, and another race of innocent, mostly powerless people is about to be slaughtered on-mass, then I believe you have a moral obligation to protect them.

I'm not saying they should be forced to help, nor should they smile when they're treated poorly. I just felt like the players acted oddly during the arc:

- No player seemed to want to help on a purely moral basis (which seems out of character for a bunch of people playing "hero" in a video game)
- The player meeting with the NPCs had a fit when the NPCs dared to get angry that the "immortal gods" wouldn't help save thousands of lives

It just feels like none of the players care about the NPCs at all (except the kid players, who often went out of their way to try to save NPCs). Things like >>154568861 where apparently the only reason to save people is if there's "something in it for us".
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>>154568982
I have special preferences.
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>>154569169
My fucking nigger.
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>>154569108
Not all player are paladin. Exemple : a lot of them start to "loot" naturally and scavenge since the begining.
Also, the player now fear the death. Yes they revive but they loose memory, they are afraid to loose themself.
Plus a lot probably keep the habits of the mmo : the NPC are not truly human yet for them. Plus NPC can be dick too. Someone who ask you to risk your life just because you have too isn't really worth saving.

I think there is a lot a reason to not act according to "morality" in the situation they are in.
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>>154569108
>just the way the characters acted was a bit off for me
Perhaps you missed the part where Shiroe asked the dude from Oceanic Agency to play difficult? He was at first just acting but later went a bit too far because he actually got pissed off by that "why didn't you go fight monsters, isn't that what you are born for" speech.
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>>154520212
Wait, do we have these volumes translated?
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>>154524994
Is this true? Wouldn't an NPC heading Akiba disrupt the balance?
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>>154569437
Partially true.
The chairwomen of the Round Table wouldn't be "ruling over" people, she'd be just a figurehead. Remember when Round Table was first established they decided that NPC have equal rights as adventurers? Yet NPC never had any representation in the Round Table.
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>>154569108
- No player seemed to want to help on a purely moral basis
They literally just found out that dying will slowly erode their sense of self, confirmed firsthand by Krusty. That's enough to give pause to anyone who just wants to Leeroy Jenkins, and the nobles basically saying GO AND DIE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO is rubbing salt in the wound right after that revelation.

- The player meeting with the NPCs had a fit when the NPCs dared to get angry that the "immortal gods" wouldn't help save thousands of lives
Because those immortal gods have no fucking obligation to help you, you're begging them for help.

>It just feels like none of the players care about the NPCs at all
It's not about caring, it's about whether or not you're willing to undergo an entire campaign against foes of possibly significant power (remember that nobody has ever seen the Goblin King quest actually fire) to save people that have literally nothing to do with yo-u when it's no longer a game.

>then I believe you have a moral obligation to protect them.
Good for you.

>(which seems out of character for a bunch of people playing "hero" in a video game)
Are you seriously fucking saying that MMO players are fucking saints and the Lord Christ in real life because they help save entire worlds from the Army of Darkness?

>Things like >>154568861 where apparently the only reason to save people is if there's "something in it for us".
From a national perspective that's exactly what's going on. The nobility must be considering it from that point of view as they think the RT is some sort of Senate with authority to mobilize armies. Realpolitik dictates that there is literally no reason why the RT would help them unless they have something to gain, so trying to pressure them into it by playing some sort of moral high ground instead of stressing possible gains that could be made in return is the worst thing you could possibly try.
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>>154564310
>The NSA idiot probably neglected to make sure the server was outside of Japan so that everyone else had some server lag.
Not gonna lie, former FFXI player here. This is fucking hilarious watching the gaijin crash and burn. but in all seriousness we can't let these guys get the ping time.

>>154566702
>Japanese players don't want to fuck over the group.
I was more like that when I played FFXI. I guess it kind of rubs off on you.
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>>154569108
>Why are you comparing saving innocent people from imminent certain death to "rich people giving money to poor people"?
Rich people giving money to the poor is saving their lives in many cases. It's not just to help some bum on the side of the street, it's to build drinking wells, give food to starving towns, etc.
>I believe you have a moral obligation to protect them
That's like saying the rich have a moral obligation to donate to charity. I'm not really sure I agree with that idea.

Beyond that, there are psychological impacts to going into battle, even if it's mostly assured that you're going to win. Their lives aren't necessarily entirely guaranteed all of the time. Against the goblins their chance of death is low, but having to be hurt repeatedly, possibly severely, is strenuous. Not to mention having to take lives - unless they view the goblins essentially as killing animals, at least some are bound to have some conflicted feelings regarding it. What about the next time, the next 'game event' that might contain some kind of world boss, or any other events beyond that?

This all combined with the fact that the majority of the townspeople appear to not even care about the adventurers at all, and simply see them as another set of tools that is their right to have. An appalling attitude for sure. It's a sticky situation all around, but I wouldn't really out and out say the adventurers are wholly in the wrong. It's a big ol' grey area to me.
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Best grills are landers
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>>154570015
F
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>>154559546
She re-rolled from Kannagi to Monk, didnt she?

She'd need a new gearset entirely.
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>>154559795
No, Serara is a noob who made a character that resembles herself quite a lot, same as Minori
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>>154563706
Possibly, though Isami, Nazuna and Kawara are all excellent girls in Soujis harem
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>>154564310
Shirou wasn't getting that many gifts.

I think it was said in vol 7 that a lot of what he brought to the raid was out of his own personal stores, and at the end of it he was given several items from the loot they pulled because of his own contributions to it. It was some good shit, too.
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>>154569054
That's not a loli. That's a raid boss dragon he managed to tame, and which now because they're in the game has adopted a loli form to walk around rather than being a giant dragon all the time.
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>>154516376
It's based off Ragnarok Online and Everquest 2
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>>154570396
>you will never have your own pet loli dragongirl

Fuck this reality. Im going Database.
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>>154570273
;_;
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>>154570352
Kanami was Swashbuckler in Japan.

When she moved to Europe she re-rolled to Monk.
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>>154566620
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>>154566620
Summoner.

Bodybuilder subclass.

I shall summon while I pose.
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>>154566620
Samurai

My sekrit move would be something like a 600 sec, 120 sec cooldown bankai
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>>154566620
3.pf Wizard fuck the rules
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>>154566620
Summoner.

So i can summon a waifu.
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>>154570455
Ah yes, Swashbuckler. I'd forgotten.
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>>154566620

big fan of enchanter since i can meme solo or go party

then make my char /cm/ tier to become a "healslut"
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>>154570015
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>>154566620
Cute foxtail druid girl.
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>>154569194
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Season 3 when
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>>154570015
t. Demiglace
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>>154571156
I literally cannot remember his actual name anymore.
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>>154571185
Delicious, right?
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>>154571185
>>154571214
Delinquent.
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>>154571017
Reminder that Henrietta is disqualified from prime waifu material for Shiroe because of loli obsession.

Pretty fucking ironic.
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>>154571156
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>>154571185
Demistocles
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>>154511207
In the trash where it belongs
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>>154571156
>>154571185
>>154571214
>>154571270
>>154571481
>>154571764
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>>154572131
Delibird?
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>>154572131
Democracy!
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>>154572131
I actually and unironically didn't remember he was called Demikas.
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>>154572233
>tfw only the filename in some anon's image folder remembers your name
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>>154572155
>Delibird
This had me laughing like a faggot for some reason
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>>154572131
Delicatessen
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>>154572131
Delicate?
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>>154539366
>Just want more Crusty x Princess
>Get entire arc about irrelevant side characters(kids) instead.
That arc killed the anime for me. It was quite possibly the worst thing they could've done and they did it.
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>>154571398
>Yet the two main candiates are in fact lolis.
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>>154572674
That's the joke.

But there's only one candidate. Scrub a shit.
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>>154570470
Is that a Jojo reference?
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>>154572763
Ew, the fact that she is not a kawaii FEMALE (defiantly female with all the parts) idol disqualifies her right of the bat.
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>>154573093
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>>154573093
Anon, Tetra is for the Naotsugubowl. But Marielle is OTP.

I was referring to Akatsuki by saying there's only one candidate.
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>>154543806
soo?
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>>154573185
I'm not sure those are loli hips. They seem far too ready for childbirth.
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>>154566620
>No one's chosen the best class yet
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Still can't believe one of the top pvpers is an rp'ing furfag
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>>154574169
PvP demands autism
Just look at Ainz
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>>154572131
Not gonna lie though I felt a little pride swelling going on when the monument came up and his name was on it
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>>154572674
Their relationship was really cute when they were just two grown adults who got along well together before she suddenly decided she wanted in on the Shirobowl.
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I got put off when the series started focusing on the little child sidekick stories, then turned off completely when the glasses guy genderswap showed up. Did I back out too soon?
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>>154520053
>>154517694
>>154513270
>Database
>Most memorable
>Not JIBUN WO
it's damn close, though
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>>154574330
>Colors
Really makes you think
And KIMI TO is still more memorable
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>>154574373
Its in my top 5, along with

HOWLING
DATABASE
KIMI TO
HACKING TO THE GATE
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>>154567928
Michitaka was playing bad cop there but smashing the table was a tad overboard and they did mention that.
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>>154574469
Michitaka got legit enraged there, there was no helping it.
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>>154518193
>Support the official release and all that.
Fuck you.
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>>154513270
Played my old workout playlist at the gym today and Database came up, got so damn amped. Watching that op on /a/ livestreams was so great.

There's an image I have buried somewhere that I'd like to find again someday, it's a picture of the storyboard for the S2 version of the OP and shows how the director specifically timed Tetra's animation to the "Wow Wow!" part.
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>>154574513
>Fuck you.
That type of anticipated ingratitude is why translators don't make public releases for 11 and 12. Just the private servers have them. The members of the private servers follow the rules and don't re-release the translations.
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>>154572131
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>>154570406
I miss tetra
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>>154573281
Because she is
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>>154576009
I never really got this, was Tetra a male playing as girl or just a trap?
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>>154576133
The former. There's no dick.
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>>154576133
Male playing as a girl.

After the cataclysm or whatever you call it, he was left in the body of said female character. Over time, his/her voice changed to sound female.

There is no penis, it is fully female down there.
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>>154576178
No dick, all pure idol.
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>>154576212
Also, Akatsuki was a girl with a male character. But Shrioe had a gender swap potion, so she got fixed up quickly.
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>>154576311
He was pretty handsome though.
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>>154576339
Current Akatsuki is a lot better desu. Very fuckable. Especially wearing pic related.
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>>154576581
My brother of melatonin-enriched descent.
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Season 2 was so shit we don't need a season 3.
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>>154520691
kys
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>>154520691
Minori's great. I approve of your taste.
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>>154576339
>This close to being a yaoi series
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>>154576749
Minori a qt.
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>>154567928
They weren't. It has less to do with the moral implications of ignoring the goblins than the attitude of the Landers towards the players.

It's basically like this. You have an important job that needs doing but because you know about the moral implications of not doing the job you can generally strongarm the workforce/industry into accepting whatever terms you set rather than consider the other side has needs. That's why I've never really heard about doctors, firefighters, and so forth going on strike. Even the police when they go on strike don't actually stop working so much as cut back on noncritical work with hilarious results. From what I recall many of those jobs have affiliated unions that can strike for them instead to at least get a point across.

Now the Landers in this situation were being jerks and failed to realize that the players were not robots and had actual negotiating power now. If the nobles had treated the players with basic respect like the princess was thinking they should be doing in the first place then most adventurers would have helped of their own accord.
The Lander nobles were thinking they could get away with being rude when in the long run the players were gonna stop being able to tolerate the unfair treatment Landers had come to expect. It wouldn't surprise me if there were places on some servers where the Landers tried to call the Players bluff and discovered they really wouldn't tolerate being treated as serfs.
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>>154577361
Isn't there a servers where the NPC took the power over the players ?
Maybe in Europe.
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>>154577435
I know it wasn't likely in the first place but I'm so disappointed we didn't get a lot of spinoff series, there's so many interesting ideas and premises to explore within this universe, finding out all the rumors of what was going on on the other servers whenever Mamare would drop another hint was exciting.
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>>154577483
I guess it would work well with the TRPG.
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>>154577435
The author says they took the power over players but really they just offered the players loads of money for mercenary work (storm my sworn enemy's castle!. Capture the princess!) and everyone thought it sounded like a jolly good time. The players can still leave whenever the hell they want or if they get bored.
It'll be funny when the nobles run out of dosh, boredom strikes, or the adventurers overhear a noble saying something that insults them.
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>>154577616
So it's just that the player hasn't reclaimed any power and enjoy player activities.
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>tfw SENMETSU DA

Still awesome.
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>>154570383
He got an actual phantasmal (or near equivalent) item as a gift BEFORE the raid. I'll have to figure out where I put my pdfs or find a new download to be sure but at least one high tier item that is clearly out of his personal reach was explicitly gifted to him.
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>>154577616
So basically sticking to what the game was before. It'd be interesting to watch this scenario, at some point the nobles will run out of rewards and the adventurers will start an uprising.
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>>154577361
>That's why I've never really heard about doctors, firefighters, and so forth going on strike.
oh please
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>>154577837
>French Révolution all over again
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>>154577837
Or the fact that the lander nobles are basically playing game of thrones with nuclear weapons catches up to the stability of the countries.
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>>154577361
A bunch of doctors went on strike around September last year in the UK.
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>>154566620
Hunter, because the most fun role in every MMO I've played is burst DPS
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>>154566620
The miko one
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>>154577361
Just like how a lot of players initially still viewed the Landers as NPCs. From the nobles perspective, these mysterious and bizarrely powerful being just one day suddenly show up, offered to kill monsters for some rewards, and after they've done so these adventurers went on to do more of the same thing repeatedly. These adventurers were immensely powerful but seem to have no interest in anything other than killing monsters, most importantly they seem to have no interest in controlling territory or gaining political powers. They just ran around killing monsters, like robots.
Naturally the Landers assume these "adventurers" must be robots sent by god (or gods). That's how it's been for their entire lives, they of course have a difficult time adjusting to the new situation.
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>>154577948
Fair enough. I probably should have said EMTs or were they actual emergency room doctors that all decided to go on a strike that would render the hospitals without any medical care for those that would legitimately die without treatment during the strike?
Cause that just sounds like a dick move for everyone involved.
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>>154566620
What the specific race from Europe ? Somekind of templar no ?

I'm more interressed in the secondary class though.
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>>154576581
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>>154548519
Shana got a really damned good 3rd season, bomb or no. So have hope.
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>>154580426
She can wear anything or nothing at all and she'd still be extremely fuckable.
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>>154580644
I can't argue with that.
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>>154580426
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>>154520587
>If Spice and Wolf can get new LN volumes, and possibly a new anime, then anything can happen.
Yeah, stop getting my hopes up.
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>>154577784
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>>154577784
>>154581485
Good times
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>>154575951
>That type of anticipated ingratitude
Your right but I don't like people who have no backbone to tell Yen Press to fuck off on the DMCA or ignore. Also you are right about the private servers part but do you do any private DL's for re-release translation or RAW's for the fanbases.
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>>154566620
>be summoner accountant ritualist
>fuckmassive amount of MP
>summon smart enough shit to write up fuck-you deals everywhere
>have people sign their lives away into being my summoned minions
>write a new contract so I can summon unlimited minions
>grow an army of penny stock dealers
>take over the world with memes


yeah... how is this not broken?
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>>154582122
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>>154582122
It's not broken because everyone else has the potential to brake stuff too.
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>>154582282
>>154582293
...I will start the patent comity yeah? now every time you try to patent stuff I backdoor it in some way with my army of penny stock salesmen wyverns.

>Now lets begin democracy
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>>154511207
I'm still mad. Log Horizon is so good and it deserves more seasons.
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bumb
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It's a shame WWB isn't getting any translations anymore.

The translators said that the level of language in the manga is easy to learn yourself, but still. Learning baby level nip isn't a priority for me.
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>>154566620
Guardian or Samurai. I love being a tank and possibly carrying a huge shield around. I also love having a healer to watch my back.
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best girl coming through
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>>154584676
I wish to touch her ears.
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>>154511207
Not before sao3
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>>154583808

Is dat some genderswap or am I just misremembering a character?
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>>154566620
>no one's picked sorcerer
Jesus, it's like you don't like watching things explode.
I inevitably make a tank/best solo class in every MMO though, so would inevitably reroll guardian somehow
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>>154585726
Mad science resulted in genderswap potions.
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I liked the moon scene where Shiro and Akatsuki met
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>>154585785

Don't suppose you got a link? Assuming its just raws now.
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>>154585838
Sorry. I have no clue where to look. This came out back when we at least got anons explaining the current plot even though translations had stalled.
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>>154586014

Ah well, thanks though, Ill try to keep an eye out for it.
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>>154585706
Fuck off dude A-1 literally already said that all of SAO would be adapted, as long as that twat continued to write.
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>>154572674
Lolis really do ruin everything.
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>>154587062
What dis
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>>154587722
TRPG promotion characters if I remember right.
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Bully the neet princess
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>>154570015
Some of them make for excellent shields if nothing else.
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>>154570015
Demdemi was a lucky guy
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>>154547729
ruined
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>>154585789
The music in that scene was so damn comfy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLC41teTz0A
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