How does the doujinshi market even work? Are there no copyrights

>>154454583
Free marketing for series, publishers can track popularity of series based on interest and sales, so basically they get free market research and advertising just letting some autists gather

>>154454583
same as artist alleys in western cons

it's all fair use and creative expression, just so long as people don't, for example, write a nayroodough doujin and then claim that they invented the characters and declare they they'll take legal action against others using their likenesses

Most companies turn a blind eye to it because they understand the concept of free publicity

>>154454583
What would TPP have done to this? Wouldn't it have clamped down on this?

Japan isn't tainted by a certain something. They're not greedy egomaniacs obsessed with hoarding copyrights, unlike Western media producers and "artists".

>>154454583
There is but these are niche series, any publicity is good publicity except when a foreign entity does it out of malice because God forbid someone does something you don't like. Also it's not like they make tons of money out of it.

They get a free pass at cons. Same way gk makers get one day at wonfes to sell stuff license free. After it's over you can't hawk your shit until the next one.

>>154454897
lol

>>154454870
As it was worded, anyone could have reported a doujin artist to the police and they could have acted on behalf of the original author, even if the author didn't want the police to do anything.

This would have killed the doujin market as we know it.

>>154454897
>Not greedy egomaniacs
Reason why the first episode osomatsu-san were removed for 400.

>>154454897
>what is Nintendon't

>>154454583
Copyright in Japan is even worse than in the USA. You can get in prison by pirating an anime episode. But the doujin market is tolerated because they'd literally bite the hands that feed them.

>>154454753
That goes well beyond fair use. The only reason they're still alive is because the rights holders either don't care enough or aren't actually opposed to them doing it.

>>154454583
>How does the doujinshi market even work? Are there no copyrights in Japan?
The IP owners are not corporations, but individual authors. And many authors actually started out as Doujin artists and don't want to betray the community that they came from.

IP fights only happen when heartless corporations own IPs, and act like a soulless machine rather than a human.

See Nintendo, with their hardcore fight against youtubers playing or even reviewing their games. When it comes down to individuals, creators actually end up customers of these doujin goods.

There is still a line one shouldn't cross. But that line is very lenient because most accept that the doujin market is good for the industry.

>>154454897
>They're not greedy egomaniacs obsessed with hoarding copyrights
>Nintendo
Bruh

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>>154455638
>Nintendo

They don't give two fucks about doujins, but people are deadly afraid of them anyway.

They even hired Doujin artists to make Fire Emblem Ciper cards. And splatoon have fuckton of doujins, they never lifted a finger against this.

>>154455817
Yeah because they don't give a shit when their fellow countrymen does it.

For some odd fucking reason, they got a massive hate-boner for any gaijins through.

>>154455924
Nintendo isn't NoA.

And that shit only happens in tumblr because dumblr mods are retarded and never check the DCMA.

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>>154454583
if you make a popular manga it is expected that there will be doujinshi.

Even if you could litigate, its so ingrained in their culture that if you did people would think you were some sort of draconian monster and be made fun of.

>>154454870
Doujins would've died.

So whenever you finished ejaculating to a doujin, remember to thank Trump for that.

It's not legal right in Japan but companies only accept that. There are also several cases that companies don't allow specific things like people aren't allowed to make doujinshi games of KanColle

>>154454753
Most countries don't know something like "fair use".

Companies aren't stupid enough to go after something like this. It boosts their own sales and keeps people interested in their series long after it finishes. It's basically free publicity for their work. Unless something is taking huge net losses THEY could have earned, there's no reason to shut it down.

>>154454583
Japan has different copyright laws. In the US if you don't aggressively defend your copyright, then you can legally lose it. That's not the case in Japan, so they don't mind allowing independent people to produce their own individual content. Most companies there figure if people are going to spend money on a product in the doujin market, then they're probably going to spend money on the real product. Plus, it's good advertising.

>>154454583
Doujinshi fall under Free Use

>>154455817
People is wary of Nintendo because of what happened with Faithful Tepig, it seems like trying to draw anything with the Pokemons themselves is a no no, but you can draw Ash fucking every underage companion he has had and as long as you don't mention the word Pokemon or show a creature they don't care.

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Another example was Mikumikudance models. In general IP holders don't care what fans made, and sometimes fans even sell their MMD models. But then a guy called himself TDA crossed the line and decided to sell his custom Miku MMD model with accurate logo of Crypton Future Media on her.

That raised a red flag and Crypton forced him to stop selling it. He was still allowed to distribute the model for free. You can't SELL something with someone else's logo on it, that is where it reached fraud/counterfeit territory.

Pic related.

>>154456664
They never shot down fateful tepig you retard.

The author confirmed this, last time that they ever lifted a finger for that kind of thing was for paheal change the tag because it was literally the first result on google.

And was Pokemon company.

>>154454583
Those doujinka more worry about "Is my self censorship pass the regulation?" instead some IP holder sue their works.

As far as the copyright holders are concerned doujinshi is basically free advertising.

>>154454583
Ignoring their primary market being the same people that eat this up, their internal workforce generally start off as doujin artist, the pool of talent they hire from will die

Its not like the west doesn't do it in a different light - why do you think Unreal engine is free to use up to a point?

>>154455298
>Copyright in Japan is even worse than in the USA. You can get in prison by pirating an anime episode.
Isn't it like this everywhere, where domestic products is what you will generally be arrested for?

>>154454897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiEXgpp37No

I love the ball of the doujin to write stuff like

>No reproduction or republication without written permission

in their doujinshi. You guys are making money with other one's IPs after all.

>>154455136
Before he even took office.

Not gonna lie, merely because of this I'm happy your meme president got elected.

>>154455066
>As it was worded, anyone could have reported a doujin artist to the police and they could have acted on behalf of the original author, even if the author didn't want the police to do anything.
Are you lying to me, anon? Nobody can be retarded to pass shit like that. Right? Who would even profit from this? Spiteful fucks who can't stand people having fun?

The irony is that doujin artists flip their shit when their works get scanned and uploaded.

Enjoying free advertising my ass.

>>154454897
So that's why block music on youtube all the time. OK.

>>154457185
To be fair many of them are getting a lot of shit on 2ch and 2chan for doing it.

>>154456972
I don't know, but they made laws so strict that the only serious anime piracy is outside of Japan.

>>154457123
Yeah not gonna lie.

Ever (well almost) fuckup he has made and will made will be forgiven because of this.

>>154457044
>>154457185
Not all doujin based on other works.

>>154454583
Hear no evil, see no evil. It's all technically illegal under Japanese copyright law but most companies accept it because it attracts fans, provides free advertising, and doujnshi sales/printing can be used as something of a pulse for series popularity. The flipside of that unspoken agreement though is that doujinshi artists don't publish anything that puts those companies in a bad light.

The same thing is more or less true for hentai as well; technically any kind of pornography is illegal under the Japanese constitution, but the government more or less turns a blind eye so long as there's a token effort to censor the naughty bits. Recently though the government has been cracking down more because of the upcoming Olympics, which is why censorship in doujins is getting so much more obnoxious.

>>154456914

Also, When a doujin artist gets money, there's a good chance the artists will spend their profits on the show's merch. So it's kind of free advertising with some indirect returns.

>>154457328
We are obviously not talking about original works

>>154457009
America is retarded. Thanks God we don't have this bullshit here.

>>154457159
So company like Dis*ey can sue your ass when you made funny comic about Mi*key.

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>>154457185
Not all of them, not even that many of them. Most of the ones that do are ignorant and foolish and get shat on. Plenty understand how it works.

On that note where the fuck is TSF Monogatari Append 4

>>154456251
I'm mexican but now I love Trump, God bless him.

>>154456441
>In the US if you don't aggressively defend your copyright, then you can legally lose it. That's not the case in Japan
Why is American law so bad?

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>>154457572
That's not even actually true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&t=54s

>>154457600
DC vs DC, mate.

>>154457477
Why would courts in my country care if its legal here? I doubt American government would care enough to impose some sanctions.

I'd like to think doujinshi artists as youtube game reviewers.

They heavily rely on corporate/other people's contents to create their "own" contents.

You can pay/donate to them for their own content and you can also read/watch them for free due to same leniency.

Of course, you have some artists/youtubers who goes apeshit at people not giving dosh to them for their contents.

>>154457159
>>154457477
Basically this, imagine that you are on the street recording the shit you are doing and for 0.001 seconds a drawing of Mickey appears in a wall in the background. Later you upload that video to youtube and everything is fine.

Well, had the TPP been approved Disney could had sued your sorry ass for using their property without permission.

Yes, it was that fucked up.

>>154457679
The TPP also made it easier to fuckhuge megacorporations to sue entire countries for passing legislation that cut into their profits, in international court.

>>154457748
>>154457742
Holy shit the Jews really are terrifying.

>>154457341
It's also the farm league for new talent. Supposedly doujin artists have even been hired as assistants for series they based their work on.

>>154454583
You don't want to shit on the people who consume your stuff.

>>154457321
He could cure cancer with his tears and it still wouldn't be enough to make up for the fact that he wants to axe net neutrality.

>>154457866
An even worse example. You record the birthday party of your grandma, everybody sings Happy birthday to you, upload the video. Now you'd have to pay $10,000 for using that song since it was protected by a copyright and it was property of Warner Bros. (luckily some years ago someone counter-sued WB and a judge realized that having a copyright on the song was really fucked up).

That kind of shit would have been common with the TPP.

>>154457940
Well, so did Obama in the end. People can focus on Net Neutrality more without also worrying about the TPP.

>>154458056
Didn't they tried to pass SOPA before? Wasn't that same as TPP or something?

>>154458125
SOPA was what they tried to use to pass these kinds of laws before. When that went belly-up, that tried to sneak it in with the TPP.

Now we're back to waiting for them to try again, and they surely will.

>>154458079
>People can focus on Net Neutrality more without also worrying about the TPP.
Feel free to since the FCC sure isn't going to.

>>154458493
Both are doomsday scenarios. I'm really bummed about net neutrality, but the TPP was as bad or worse a threat.

Net Neutrality has a pretty solid legal standing now thanks to the utility status that got upheld in court.

TPP was on the fast track with Obama and would have passed with Hillary.

>>154457159
My country has law offices that basically spend their free time sending threats to people who pirated stuff saying that they'll sue unless they pay them money. It's a profitable business.

>>154454897
>Japan isn't tainted by a certain something.
oy vey

>>154457159
He's not.
The whole point of these trans oceanic agreements are complete corporate domination of the market.

I'm a capitalist through and through and even I'm opposed to them.

>>154458582
>TPP was on the fast track with Obama and would have passed with Hillary.

How sad is it that I, a lefty Berniecrat, felt like we dodged a bullet when Trump was elected and killed the TPP?

>>154459577
The fuck? Isn't blackmail illegal in your shithole? It's one thing if you violate copyright and copyright owner sues you, but shit is just too much.

>>154456972
You can't get sent to prison for simply pirating television or movies in Canada.

>>154457159
The jap gov fuckers finally realized that anime is a huge ass business and now want to control it.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they buy out kadokawa.

>>154459749
I'd suppose it's illegal and they won't do shit if you ignore them, but there are enough people who will panic and pay the money. You can't really report them either because in doing so you'd have to admit that you pirated stuff, and piracy is just slightly better than manslaughter going by the harshness of the sentences.

>>154454897
This fucking reeks of weeaboo delusion.

>>154454583
It falls under fair use, creative expression or parody.
Plus in most cases it's really not worth any of the hassle to attack a circle because it will cost the company holding the rights quite a bit in lawyer fees and such for very little return since the doujin guys will never be able to pay.
Plus in quite a few cases, it also creates free advertisment.

>>154454870
Nothing.
Copyrights holders COULD already go after every doujinshi circle if they wanted to.
But they have little to gain in the end, except a lot of legal battles against dozens if not hundreds of people, a blow to their reputation, and loss of free publicity.

>>154459730
Both are idiots in economy.

TPP would have been a bad thing for everyone except the USA.

The Jews fear the samurai.

>>154454583
They turn a blind eye because if they decided to act like oppressive tyrants towards their fans those people wouldn't spend half their income on their products.

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>>154461704
>Both are idiots in economy.

Bernie basically wanted to re-instate the new deal. Call FDR an Economic Idiot in front of a history or economics professor and see how that goes.

Megukas make this post anime related, right mods?

>>>/pol/

>>154454583
Free advertising, it's a convenient place to find talented people who'll work for cheap because they love the IP, and playing nice gets the creators a lot of loyalty and good will from the fans.

>>154461874
>Call FDR an Economic Idiot in front of a history or economics professor and see how that goes.
smugthomassowell.jpg

>>154461874
>Call FDR an Economic Idiot in front of a history or economics professor and see how that goes.
A-anon...
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

>>154454583
It's another world that Disney didn't touch.

>>154459730
>How sad is it that I, a lefty Berniecrat, felt like we dodged a bullet when Trump was elected and killed the TPP?
Why does everyone keep believing this? TPP isn't dead. It is still alive and Japan is going to join it.

America only backed out of it thanks to trump. The TPP will still take affect in other countries. This includes japan.

>>154454583

It is illegal but also accepted.

>>154462704
Friendly reminder that half of the TPP was supported by the USA only because of corporate lobbying, and every other engaged country refused to sign the entire document because of clauses pushed by the US.
if it passes among the remaining signatories, most of it would be scrapped and it would hardly resemble the original project.

>>154461547
>It falls under fair use, creative expression or parody.
You're retarded.