Left or right?
>>154427190
yes
Right.Retards don't count as women.
>>154427190
I choose the Araragi.
Depends, which one hasn't had a bath yet?
>>154427190
Left
>>154427190
Both are pretty cool overall. Karen is a little too wild for me, and Tsukihi is just way too cute, especially when she gets mad.
>>154427190
I want left more than anything.
Right suits me more, although both are great choices.
If I have to pick, I pick left.
I'd rather Ougi though.
left
>>154427190
I pick both.
>>154427190smart could've been imouto> dumb imouto > average intelligence imouto
>>154429400
we know
>>154427190
Karen
Left can teach me karate while right can teach me how to be platinum ureshii.
Kinda hard to pick just one.
God, braids Hanekawa was always decent but Kizu made her so fucking hot.
Anyone have any stitches of her?
>>154427190
snek!
My Little Sisters Can't Be This Cute! I really need to rewatch Nisemonogatari.
Tsukihi easily
Also all Monogatari girls are better with short hair
I preferred Karen in Nise but they really made Tsukihi just as good in later parts. They're both some of the best imoutos in anime.
>>154427190
>>154427190
>2017
>not going RRG
Fuck the sisters.
I wonder...
>>154431302
I'm confused by your post.
Oh yippee, a thread about me!
I'll take the bathtub package deal
Left
>>154427190
Why are there eggs in their hair?
>>154431593
Those are hairpins. Why are they wearing sunny-side up egg hairpins? It's a mystery.
>>154431728
It's not even symbolism anymore, is it? They just have eggs in their hair.
>>154431593
>>154431728
>>154431752
They're making the mother of all omelettes here, anons.
>>154431752
its to show they are fertile
phoenix + ~vampire = ?
>>154432337
Only one way to find out.
>>154427190
I'll take the Phoenix
>>154429342
what goes through the mind of people who draw shit like this? I'll never understand
>>154432510
>I wonder what this girl would look like with muscles?
I love the bird!
>>154432510
How do I get into this series?
>>154427190
Bird is the thinking mans waifu.
>>154432824
http://galax.moe/monogatari/
>>154432824
Be a Japanese teenager or forget about it, you won't understand more than maybe 40% of the narrative.
>>154432929
>>154432929
its still very enjoyable even without references, or you can find subs that explain stuff
>>154432929
Missing one or two puns doesn't mean you won't get the narrative. You have to be literally retarded to don't understand the story
Also, this is still a light novel, don't pretend it's some literary masterpiece
>>154432864
How did I manage to completely miss Koyomimonogatari
>>154432929
If you watch a lot of anime, you can pick up on a lot of the puns.
>>154432707
>muscles
Yes, that's exactly how a muscular person looks like. Also there's a lot of furrys that draw shit like that.
>>154433302
Lemme rephrase then.
>I wonder what this girl would look like with MUSCLES?
Also, you're questioning fetishes, you should know better by now not to, as none of them make sense.
>>154433136
Twintails Detective Birb was very cute
>>154433379
too bad she turned into single braid washed up prostitute by age 19.
>>154433421
I want this meme to die
Birb is the purest
>>154433511
the purest among the scantily clad skunks shaking their asses in "casinos" for sure
>>154427190
Left
>>154432724
Twintail a best.
always choose bee
>>154433599
She didn't even start working yet and just decided she wants to be a dancer
Also, just from her dialogue from Nekomonogatari Kuro it should be clear that she wouldn't whore herself out.
And pic related
>>154434198
Araragi logic is the best.
>>154432724
Superlong < Hime < Short < Sexhair < Braid < Twintail < Almost shoulder lenght
All Birds are super cute though
Pic always best version of best girl, but b > brib and its only by a little bit
>>154434410
Damn, I got it backwards from what I actually meant
>>154427190
Right has good dancing skills.
>>154433048
>don't pretend it's some literary masterpiece
I mean it kind of is, pretty much everything Nisio has ever written (besides clone-works like his Death Note and JoJo LNs) have won awards for their writing. It's not on the level of Faulkner or anything but it's up there.
>>154435729
it really isn't. It may be exceptional in the world of LNs. but it's not impressive literature by any means.
>>154435729
>>154435808
Can you really make that comment if you don't read Japanese?
>>154436069
Yes.
>>154436213
That makes no sense.
>>154436287
how much of the core story do you think you are missing when it gets translated?
as far as the translated LNs go you might be missing some puns but everything is there
>>154436408
Plot isn't the only component of a novel, prose matters too.
>>154436287
Now If i just understood Japanese to really grasp the deep philosophical implications of a guy rambling about panties for four pages straight or sexually harassing elementary school girls!
Truly, the power of Japanese puns that have been folded a thousand times is beyond my puny western mind
>>154436408
>plotfaggotry
>>154436287
you have no point. You claim his works are some sort of higher literature, when they aren't. They are LNs aimed at the Otaku audience. Some wordplay that only works in it's original language doesn't make it an impressive milestone in literature.
His ability to create characters and a narrative is mediocre.
>>154436452
>>154436435
>portmanteau words and simple puns are sophicated prose
I really like Monogatari, but if Nisio was such a fantastic writer, don't you think he would write something else than Japanese YA fiction with pictures of cute girls in their underwear?
>>154436486
>>154436440
I could say that Moby Dick is about some loon rambling about a whale.
I'm not even implying that Nisio is like some Japanese Faulkner or anything, I'm just saying judging a piece of writing you can't even read is arrogant.
>>154436547
Ideology at it's purest.
>>154436486
>his ability to create characters is mediocre
I agree on the rest of what you said, but I think his characters are fantastic, not only in Monogatari. They always have a very distinct voice and personality and play off of each other in fun ways
>>154436435
>>154436573
so you think that just from being translated into english the series loses so much that you shouldn't bother watching/reading it >>154432929
>>154427190
Left if she can teach me the way of justice and kung-fu. Right otherwise.
>>154436547
He might not want to if he gets more money and/or prefers writing with anime archetypes.
And while monogatari isn't like "proper" literature, having any kind of experience with writing and it's industry would certainly help getting into that market. He might even have tried it already with a different pen name. But popular literature usually sells more with rare exceptions.
>>154436663
Watching is one thing, because you can still see the pretty pictures and enjoy the music but I personally wouldn't bother reading literature translated from a language that doesn't use the Latin alphabet.
>>154436757
>I personally wouldn't bother reading literature translated from a language that doesn't use the Latin alphabet.
That's being a bit harsh. Stuff like the Spice and Wolf translations are absolutely outstanding (both the fan and official translations). Both nail the tone and wording perfectly, and they're very careful to make sure no little details are missed or messed up.
>>154436757
I cant tell if you are trolling right now but all these comments are the reason people who haven't watched the show think it and its fanbase are pretentious and 2deep4u
>>154436797
>Yen Press
>very careful to make sure no little details are missed or messed up
>>154436573
Just being in a different language doesn't make a work completly immune of critic and so far I have not seen any argument why his prose makes it so perfect someone who doesn't understand Japanese shouldn't even try to understand it
Especially considering that it is clearly written with an Otaku audience in mind and that many of the clever wordplays are directly acknowledged as such in the story (e.g. Meme being proud of Shinobu's name), I can't see why it's supposedly inaccessible.
Many people with a little knowledge will pick up on a lot of stuff and even if not, most translations go out of their way to explain the jokes for which you would have to have a deeper understanding
>>154436890
I stuck to the DWT fan translations, but the officials are by no means bad. I am aware of YP's questionable track record, but I'm pretty sure they're fine.
>>154427190
>Implying they don't come as a set
>>154436909
>I have not seen any argument why his prose makes it so perfect someone who doesn't understand Japanese shouldn't even try to understand it
Criticize all you want, just know you're criticizing a translation instead of the original work. To give another example, you could read a translation of the Qu'ran and say it's reads like shit and has no rhyme or rhythm to it.. But in Arabic, it reads like a poem and when read out loud sounds enchanting.
Left!
>>154436603
yeah, I really like the consistency of the characters, and how everyone just seems to fall into place after a mildly interesting initial conflict, just orbit around the MC to be called up and dusted off for a short fanservice scene afterwards.
Seriously some characters just feel forced at some point, and would have had more of a purpose if they had gone and stayed gone after the resolving of their arc.
Prime examples, Sodachi and Ononoki. Ononoki should have just fucked off and stayed away after making her point in killing the guy. It would have actually had a message then. Instead, she is just around I guess. Sodachi, had a point to make and more or less made it, but then she moves in with the Araragis so she can stay around I guess.
Hanekawa finally distances herself from the MC and moves on with her life? nope, she is around I guess.
Senjougahara? Around I guess.
Hachikuji? she died, but oh well she's around I guess.
The only character that kind of actually left the scene for good was Sengoku, and even then it's probably not final. There is absolutely no consequence or risk in any of it, and it gets really stale really quickly once you start seeing the pattern. There is no fucking moral to the story. And it's because the story in itself is designed to please Otakus, so Nisio will never do anything that may upset the audience with it, even if it means all the Characters go out of their way to make it happen.
>>154427190
Left especially with her long hair
>>154437309
I get what you mean
Even Kaiki sticks around after being supposedly killed in Koi, fucking Tadatsuru is just chilling in the afterlife ready to return at any time and knowing that Hachikuji would inevitably return totally lessened the impact of her amazing sent off.
Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if Rouka came back for more Yuri shenenigans with Kanbaru at some point
>>154437309
>but then she moves in with the Araragis so she can stay around I guess.
So you're judging characters based on spoilers on /a/? Most of the rest of Sodachi's story is away from the rest of the cast. All relationship she had with Araragi was just quickly mentioned in a short dialogue when they found each other years after cutting all connections, and then Araragi moves away to another city and she stays.
>>154437251
left
>>154437665
I believe every single scene involving Math has been translated
Mathfags are a blessing
>>154437745
True, but not enough mathfags scanning stuff. Even the character sheet from the already localized BD.
>>154435729
>I mean it kinda is
whew lad bring this whole argument to /lit/ please
could use some friday night entertainment
>>154436722
man youre so far down the degenerate rabbit hole that you might as well just off yourself
>>154437843
Give em the page where Sodachi says "I hate him" for like a hundred times, that'll get them to finally acknowledge that Chinese picture books>any Western work ever
>>154427190
Left
>>154438025
It wouldn't be a Sodachi story without one of her main charm points, even if just in the prologue chapter.
>>154438198
I want Araragi to end up with her so much. They already sound like a married couple anyways and that Crab threw a hissy fit over her makes it even better
Ans just imagine the collective suicide of Cat/Crab/Batfags
>>154431385
>he took the discount deal
>>154438325
Cat was already completely rejected, and Math like Crab will die before Araragi and Shinobu. Math probably even sooner than Crab considering her constant stress and developmental issues.
>>154438507
Bat will only outlive the others if she stays a vampire and with her master finally making an appearance in the next novel, I wouldn't feel save as a Batfag
>>154438662
She can't go back to human in the same way the first couldn't. She'd just turn into dust.
>>154439072
The first couldn't turn back into a human because his master was still alive, if the master dies, the servants turn back into humans. That was Kiss-shots plan in Kizu, let Araragi kill her so he'd become human again.
So if Deathtopia were to die, Shinobu should also become human again unless being bound to Araragi's shadow makes it some sort of loophole
>>154435729
Nisio won exactly one award, and that was fifteen years ago.
>>154439189
Araragi started to become a vampire independent of Shinobu's influence and had to get nothin' personnel'd to undo it. I'm sure Shinobu has long since completed that transition after centuries of eating people and being acknowledged as a vampire.
>>154439189
I was sure the first mentioned that he couldn't go back to human since he was already long past human lifespan and he would just turn into dust if possible. Probably when Araragi was still doubting his intentions in respect to Kiss-shot, and he mentioned that hypothetically since he didn't want to go back anymore anyway. I don't have it downloaded to check anymore.
>>154439807
Well if that's true than scratch my idea No way Nisio would kill her off
Deathtopia becoming a new member of the Araragi harem sounds more likely than that
>>154427190
Karen belongs to Kanbaru.
>>154440384
Well, Nisio can still present a loophole like you said so she can have a human lifespan. What will happen to her and Araragi after that period is basically the biggest mystery left for the series.
>>154428505
what a cuteboy
>>154427190
Neither. Incest is wrong.
>>154432415
>bath scene still isn't translated
what are the best subs for kizu parts 1 and 2?
>>154437635
I thought Kaiki immediately coming back after his death scene with little to no acknowledgement of the fact we thought he died was refreshing and funny as hell. Seriously, the writing in this series is incredible, catering to otaku or not.
>>154442417
None exist yet that even approach the bar.
>>154427190
Bee a best, bird a shit
>>154440889
Why the fuck can't western anime """"""critics"""""" understand the concept of simple fanservice? Why do they force themselves to believe the fanservice is there to deconstruct or subvert itself?
>>154427190
You are now listening to Platinum Disco in your head.
>>154443855
We all have common ancestors that were religious prudes and no matter how far removed from it we are now it's still ingrained in our culture and affects how we think and behave to some extent.
>>154427190
Bee in every hole. Bird can watch.
>>154443908
And dukoi~
https://soundcloud.com/dakroz/platinum-disco-nisemonogatari
Ai yu sho!
>>154443855
It's a side effect of their preconceived notions about anime and categorical judgement of it. I.e. fanservice = bad. Yet then shows come along which are widely liked and well received, yet contain truckloads of T&A (Monogatari series, or KLK in its heyday). They have to rationalize this because their preconceptions cancel each other out. When they fundamentally can't understand something's appeal they are forced to route their understanding through some other filter. In this case insincerity, in the form of irony or "subversion" or "deconstruction" or whatever disingenuous jargon they feel like using to mask their lack of understanding.
Just remember this the next time you see somebody insisting KLK's T&A was "ironic" or a "deconstruction" of fanservice. You are witnessing the pathetic mental flailings of somebody hopelessly out of his depth in a culture he does not belong to but wishes to command the respect of.
TL;DR ignore all western critics, they can produce nothing of value
>>154442417
Take what you can get if you can't speak nip.
>>154440419
Well Kanbaru's ass is my personal property.
>>154427190
Tfw both sisters are literally irresistible
Mad respect to Araragi for not fully destroying their purity in all those years
>>154427190
Both, it's my right as a big brother.
>>154445088
anon
>>154445147
He never took their virginity
A little boob fondling and sexual suggestiveness is fair game between siblings
>>154445243
Anon...
>>154445243
>tfw fondle my imoutos' tits but there's 0 sexual suggestiveness in the act
Her tits are pretty small, guess that's why
>>154445002
how can she have curvy hips?
>>154427190
Left.
>>154427190
Both
You know it. It's right. There's no need to question something this obvious
Tsukihi. I just find her a lot cuter, and I love her various hairstyles. Karen is pretty sexy, especially when she wore Tsukihi's tight undersized clothes and when she gets super sweaty.
>>154435729
>>154435808
>not impressive literature by any means.
Just because it's not old yet doesn't mean it's not impressive, dumb /lit/ fag.
Bird is best, no doubt about it.
the question is, which Bird is best Bird?
>>154427190
They look same. Just with different hair style and different facial expression.
>>154452851
not really, tsukihi is soft and has slightly droopy eyes, while karen is a ripped lanklet with piercing eyes.
>>154427190
Karen. If I was Araragi, I would have probably impregnated her already.
>>154452446
I want to fertilize her eggs. think I like bottom mid the most, although right mid is nice too.
>>154452446
I hope she's going to look like mid in Owari Ge or if and when Tsukihi Undo get animated, she looks so stunning
>>154453122
Excellent taste anon. The bob is the best.
>>154427190
middle, they can both serve my shaft
Oh shit there are finally dates for Kizu part 3
>>154431326
What did she mean by this
>>154452446
>all of those hair styles
>yet no pony toil
>best girl
nah i don't think so
bat
>>154455334
nice try.
>>154452446
Drills bird when?
>>154452446
monkey is better
someone needs to update this picture
>>154455334
She had Ponytails in Bakemonogatari: a side Ponytail in Mayoi Snail and a long one in Tsubasa Cat
It goes without saying that she looked way better than Crab
>>154456498
she never even cleans up her endings. what a complete mess.
-F, see me after class
>>154456837
w-what are we going to do after class
>>154456879
get you a proper haircut for once in your life.
>>154457051
I think the sharp ends are cute and accentuate her tomboyness
>>154457170
they look unkempt. like a wild wolf-child.
>>154438507
Why do people keep treating the speculation that Koyomi will live for longer as fact? We already know that he's aging even.
>>154457407
wild wolf-child > annoying bird faced yandere
>>154457643
a wolf child by itself wouldn't be so bad, but this one also has a hairy monkey arm.
Also Tsukihi is much sweeter than that murderous psychopath you posted.
>>154437745
The stuff with her in Zokuowari hasn't been translated has it? Granted it's not a lot of material I think, but still
>>154457643
>>154457705
You should leave the stupid fighting to shit girls, not such adorable cuties as Tsukihi and Kanbaru
>>154457801
fair
im sorry for fighting with you >>154457705
>>154457859
>>154457801
fine, I don't mind Monkey
>>154457859
>>154457915
Doujin when?
>>154457723
Hm, you seem to be right, I thought that was translated as well but I can't find it.
I still need to know if Karen and Tsukihi call her Onee-chan in that
>>154458012
there is one, kind of.
>>154457723
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Monogatari_Series:Zoku-Owarimonogatari/Koyomi_Reverse_009
I assumed it was just that part."C'mon, Koyomi. I know you want to enjoy your naughty mags, but I've just been bored to death watching the house alone, so join me for a cup of tea. There's this maths puzzle that would be perfect for tea and snacks,"
Araragi is truly an unlucky person to have missed on that.
>>154453305
Owari Ge makes a big deal about her hair almost reaching the floor, so not happening.
>>154458012
Doujins that need to happen
Monkey x Bee
Monkey x Bird
Math-oneechan x Snake
Math x RRGI
Anything Gaen or Kagenui
>>154458032
Wasn't that in one of the Vallhallagataris?
>>154458092
Ah, I meant the middle Tsukihi in the 3x3 picture not in the one I posted. I hope they will use the Hana design in the instead of using Tsuki again
>>154458121
>Math x RRGI
Never ever
>>154457556
Kissshot pretty much can't go back into being a full vampire alone, so either both stay alive or both die together. Either way it seems Shinobu gets him in the very end.
It makes more sense than the cat has 7 lives theory anyway.
>>154427190
>>154458279
If Nips had any taste there'd be a lot of hatesex doujins with lots of crazy Sodachi facial expressions and choking each other
>>154458279
I can see loli sodachi with Araragi when tanabe kyou runs out of lolis or a triple sister doujin after zokuowari adaptation.
>>154458424
maybe she taught him about more than just math
>>154458450
I do wish it'd be with shota Araragi and not adult Araragi like with loli cat.
>>154437745
I just finished reading her bit in Musubi and now I'm confused. I thought Koyomi lived out of town when he was at college? According to Tsudzura Human he commuted from home
>At the time, I was commuting to college from home, but Oikura was searching for a place to board. She seemed to be struggling, because she didn’t have a guarantor and couldn’t make rent—when I spoke to my parents about it, I was instructed to “invite her to our house again”.
>I still hadn’t slipped past my rebellious period, so I can’t say I simply followed the instruction.
>Although I was partly aware that things were completely different from when we were elementary school students, I still felt indebted in various ways to Oikura, and couldn’t ignore her suffering—but if I asked her she’d defy me, or, well, decline, so I used a backdoor method and had my little sisters invite her instead. And so, Oikura began living in the Araragi house once again for the first time in seven years.
How the hell did Kanbaru manage to drift apart from him in Suruga Devil then? They were still in touch by phone too (+she still talked to Karen every now and then) so it's not like they avoided talking to each other or whatever. I get that Koyomi would be busier than before but it's hard to believe that she was never able to see him anymore like what she was making out to be the case.
>>154459309
Well, maybe Koyomi was just really busy with College entrance exams and the shit that was going on in Owari and Zokuowari.
Hana takes place only about a month after Owari and Zokuowari and two months after Tsuki were the Araragis and Kanbaru where still hanging out, so maybe Kanbaru is exaggerating a bit
>>154459309
He spent the first year of college living with his parents, then he moved out somewhere else.
According to Suruga Bonehead, Koyomi still comes over to clean her room, so they're not totally out of touch. They just see each other much less because he's busy with school.
>>154459309
Wonder what Kanbaru and Sodachi would think of each other.
>>154460480
Kanbaru is friendly with any girl, though she certainly already knows about Sodachi considering how infamous she is in Naoetsu High she'd probably be surprised how she is not like the rumors like Nadeko was.
Sodachi would probably keep distance since she is too friendly and that always makes her suspicious, especially if she knows she is friend with Araragi. And if it's her high school self she will probably end up thinking that Kanbaru is a very good person that shouldn't be with "trash" like her.No good fanart with the two
If I had to pick from the sisters then Tsukihi. She isn't anything compared to actual bestgirlthough.
>>154427190
Right, I can cut her arm off and nothing bad will happen. You can cut her head off and make her lick your asshole while you fuck her.
>>154461365
she's immortal, not a zombie, she will fall out of consciousness when her brain loses blood pressure.
>>154448108
Vampire magic and natural beauty.
Just finished Koyomimonogatari.
Why the hell did Gaen kill Araragi?
And was the point of the doll girl? The one arc that centered around her explained nothing about her existence.
>Martial arts savant
>Bantsmaster
Why must I choose only one?
>>154461916
you know the show isnt over yet right
>>154461916
Wait for Owari season 2 or read Owari vol. 3.
>>154461916
>Why the hell did Gaen kill Araragi?
She'll tell you next season.
>And was the point of the doll girl?
She's a bodyguard for Araragi and someone for Shinobu to socialize with.
>>154461916
You watched the post-credits scene of that episode, right? It ties into the next arc, which hasn't been animated yet.
Also Doll is keeping an eye on Koyomi & Tsukihi for oddity-related trouble for Kagenui + Nisio just likes his lolis I guess. Stuff from arc also ties into the next arc too, coincidentally.
>>154462004
>Doll keeps and eye on Koyomi and Tsukihi to protect them
>doesn't protect either, just lets Ougi waltz in and out and lets Ougi get the jump on Tsukihi
Truly the greatest bodyguard.
>>154462153
Unfortunately, Doll heavily takes after the people she hangs around. She spent most of her time with Tsukihi, who doesn't particularly give a shit about anything and lazes around doing nothing a lot.
>>154462153
To be fair, Gaen and Koyomi used Tsukihi as a bait so Doll should've known about this
Still, they kinda put birb's life at risk
>>154462153
She saves Koyomi in Shinobu Time and Shinobu Mail from what I remember.
>>154456498
Either 2 or 4
>>154461916
I felt the same way.
I mean, We know mr. araraghi is goingto return among the livings.
Butkillingthe protagonist in the last 3 minutes of a show is a dick move.
>>154462232
Tsukihi might be lazy and rather mean at times, but she does actually give a shit when friends or family are concerned. She was very supportive of Nadeko's manga stuff even though she said she doesn't get it and even had a panic attack when Karen was missing.
I don't think either Doll nor Bird would neglect something as important as bodyguard work
>>154462498
>But killing the protagonist in the last 3 minutes of a show is a dick move.
That's called a cliffhanger.
>>154462153
Ougi's OP, mostly because for the longest time no one knew what the hell she was. She gets the jump on Meme and Kagenui even.
>>154462286
I mean post-Kagenui disappearance.
>>154462656
i wish Nisio would make a checklist of all of Ougis powers so we know how OP she actually is.
>>154463025
Post-Kagenui disappearance Yotsugi manages to get Tsukihi and almost herself killed
She's not really doing that great of a job
>>154463317
Which story does this happen in?
Are any of the off-season books translated?
>>154463352
Tsukihi UndoTsukihi finds out that Yotsugi is actually alive, Yotsugi pretends to be a magical girl that fights evil demons and Tsukihi wants to help her.
Yotsugi goes to Nadeko for help, Nadeko creates a drawing of Slug Oddity Kaiki used on her as an enemy for the two. The slug monster however is too strong for the two, Tsukihi pushes Yotsugi away from it and saves her but gets killed in the process. God Hachikuji comes and saves the day. Tsukihi gets better but forgets everything that happened
>>154463451
Sodachi Fiasco and Acerola Bon Appétit are the only fully translated arcs.
>>154463451
No book is fully translated but some arcs are and others are partially translated. Sodachi Fiasco and Acerola Bon Appetit are fully translated
http://mirroredtranslations.tumblr.com/
>>154463507
but wouldn't nadeko find out about Tsukihis true idendity.
>>154463507
Doll is pretty inept without Kagenui. So does Kagenui pop-up during off-season or is there an explanation on why Yotsugi doesn't go back to her?
>>154463621
I don't think Kagenui appears in any of the Off-season books. I hope Nisio gives us a flashback detailing Yotsugi's creation and Tadatsuru's and Kagenui's relationship someday
>>154463621
Kagenui sends Yotsugi to take care of Bird so that Araragi doesn't have to.
Ultimately Kagenui is enforcing the "I will kill your oddity sister if she turns out to be harmful to humanity" but given Tsukihi ends up being useless, it works out for the best.
>>154463621
>or is there an explanation on why Yotsugi doesn't go back to her?
Koyomi is deemed safe enough to leave to his own devices now but she's still guarding Tsukihi. This was mentioned somewhere apparantly but I dunno where.
>>154463602
I think she'd know at least by Musubi. I mean, she's somewhat of a specialist now and even Kaiki immediatly noticed that she's not human
LN about Tsukihi finding out when?
>>154464025
More specialist stuff would be nice since I feel they are all pretty underrated. Kaiki got his own arc and he is some of peoples favorite character because of it. I can only assume the same can be done to the rest of the specialists.
>>154464650
>LN about Tsukihi finding out when?
Absolutely never. Nisio seems pretty dedicated to maintaining the status quo of Tsukihi, Karen, and Sodachi being in the dark about oddities.
>>154464770
It's for the best.
>>154464770
Sodachi's not even in close proximity to them to be fair. Ougi was the supernatural element of her arcs (even if it's not immediately clear what Ougi was doing here until you learn more about her in Owari v3)
>>154464855
So what exactly is Ougis purpose? Correct me if I am wrong but from what I got from reading initially is that she acts upon Araragis actual feelings, such as his desire for being isolated and for Araragi to never forget about certain events in his life like Sodachi, Hachikuji and his encounter with Seishirou.
Sodachi has nothing to do with oddities but Nisio writes about her more and more. She has her own arc with her POV. And it's actually interesting.
But Nisio doesn't write about Hitagi anymore. Why? She wasn't that bad.
>>154464855
He means everyone is extra careful with her around, like Araragi when curing her with his vampire blood or Nadeko hiding her supernatural quest. She is a potential cat level disaster if she gets suck by the supernatural (though considering Nisio she might even break expectations by dealing with it the best out of the cast in this unlikely scenario).
>>154464770
I really hope Tsukihi will find out someday and that it'll be super dramatic.
Seeing her as a damsel in distress every other arc but still never finding out has become stupid. That "Lol she forgot everything" at the end of Undo was the dumbest shit.
I do kinda like that we never get a POV from her though. Who know, maybe she does know a little of the supernatural by know and just pretends not to
>>154465060
To be fair Tsukihi forgetting stuff when getting killed was already established in Nise.
Right.
Birdie forever.
>>154465041
I'm not totally sure. I'd say "Nisio doesn't like her," but he clearly does, or he wouldn't have the entire rest of the cast suck her dick constantly.
My current theory is that so much of Monogatari revolves around digging into the flaws of the various characters, and Nisio doesn't seem to ever want to "criticize" Hitagi. So on the sidelines she reamins.
>>154465041
It's probably because he considers Hitagi a normal girl and Sodachi a not supernatural oddity, which Monogatari is more about.
>>154465148
Criticize? He makes her worse and worse. Koi was about how unfaithful she is.
Musubi is about how crazy and unstable she is.
>>154465372
Koi was about being desperate since Koyomi clearly couldn't win without going full vamp, so what she did was fine.
Her overreaction in Musubi is pretty fucked up though and shows she is a hypocrite since she was fine with Koyomi hanging around with Kanbaru to test how faithful he is, but when it comes to Sodachi now it becomes a problem.
>>154465125
It was established and I don't mind the fact that she forgets
But her being so close to finding out the truth in so many arcs but never quite doing so kinda annoys me
>>154465372
But that's the thing. Nisio never paints it as a bad thing. In Musubi, for example, the whole fiasco is pretty much painted as entirely Araragi's fault and the fact that Hitagi drove Sodachi into homelessness by flipping out over nothing is barely addressed. Part of this is because Araragi is the narrator, but none of the other characters seem to care, either.
I'm not saying Hitagi doesn't have flaws. She does, but Nisio never calls her out on them, so he probably doesn't think they're a big deal. That's probably why her character grates on me so much, even though I usually don't mind characters with somewhat unpleasant personalities.
>>154464770
>Tsukihi finds out she can respawn
>becomes a naginata wielding masked oddity hunter by night
>>154465619
>Tsukihi becomes the next Kagenui
I would love it.
>>154465470
Why didn't she tell Araragi about Kaiki after Koi? It bothers me so much. I can't accept it.
>>154465619
That'd actually let her get over her problem of having no motivation, helping others has always been the one thing that made her get off her ass
>>154465775
Do we know if she did or not? It's not it actually matters since Kaiki and Senjougahara's place went off perfectly fine, with the added bonus for Senjou and Koyomi in the form of Kaiki getting his payback for Bake/Nise.
>>154465870
plan*
Left.
>>154464988
>is that she acts upon Araragis actual feelings
His regrets in particular I think. Similar to the whole Sodachi deal was how Ougi lead Kanbaru to Rouka, basically a situation that they felt they should've/could've done more about but didn't and then buried/moved on from.
>>154431326
>your imouto will never perform a sex act on you as you're doing homework
Fuck this planet.
>>154466302
I can gather a lot of his regrets, but some I can't piece together like his relationship with Sengoku that eventually lead to her becoming a Kami and what lead to Tadatsuru showing up and the increase in his vampirism.
What is it with Japan and incest?
>>154466453
Ougi tried to make Nadeko a god because the town needed one and Araragi thought it was his responsibility because he refused to make Shinobu one.
The Tadatsuru part was him feeling guilty for using Shinobu's powers too much. So Ougi made some consequences.
>>154465870
We know for sure there was no cheating or anything. But we can't say the same about Araragi. He doesn't even know about Kaiki. Gaen knows, Hanekawa knows, Ononoki knows. It's a big lie. Nisio wants me to hate Hitagi or what. She always was honest. She would rather tell the truth and accept any consequents.
>>154466620
Completely makes sense, thanks.
>>154466596
What's with you and not incest?
>>154466596
They aren't fucking so it's fine.
>>154466739
Hilariously enough
>>154466814
>one season later
>>154466866
>>154466866
Hell he openly talks about this sorta thing with Kanbaru. Gahara's implied to be a dadcon and cuts almost every instance of time spent with him short to go on what she jokingly refers to as dates with her dad too. This entire town is depraved.
>>154466924
I wonder why.
>>154466982
>Hitagi Rendezvous
>Araragi spents most of his day with his sisters
>Hitagi spents her evening with her dad
What did Nisio mean by this?
>>154466993
They are one. They share blood, emotions, feelings, souls and destiny. It doesn't count.
>>154466993
And as noted by >>154467141, it is essentially masturbation.
Bird life boys
>>154467202
>>154467141
Shinobu feels what rrragi feels but it's not the other way around I think, or atleast not the same extent. Ougi would be more akin to masturbation really.
What is the best arc in Monogatari and why is it Koimonogatari?
>>154467460
That's not Owarimonogatari part 1, but it's close.
>>154467460
I was going to say that the ending was disappointing but then that's the case for most arcs in this series now that I think about it. I loved the entire first half of Owari in particular but even that story arc ends in an unsatisfying manner.
I guess saying Kizu would be cheating, huh?
>>154427190
Neither.
>>154467460
I still think Bake is the best. It has the most focus and OG SHAFTiness compared with a lot of later parts, which felt like they were trying too hard to fit within an established Monogatari aesthetic rather than just being trippy shit.
I do need to give the recent ones a BD rewatch to properly judge them though.
>>154467685
I didn't feel Nise or SS tried to continue Bake's aesthetic to be honest. Ougi Formula/Sodachi Lost/Sodachi Riddle does but then by Shinobu Mail they stopped again.
>>154427190
This seems like a why not both answer would be for the best. After all, a brother must take care of and maintain his sisters.
>>154467653
Owari 1 couldn't have a proper conclusion since all the conflict was already long past and the damage was already done. Though Araragi could've been less "oh she is fine now, she'd be happier than me in no time in her new place" by the epilogue, but I guess it gives an interesting contrast with Fiasco.
And yes, hyping nothing and "disappointing" endings is a Nisio trademark.
>nisio suckers arguing that the series is literature
i didn't know people could be so deluded
the whole series is brainless pandering with a coat of stylish varnish; pretending there's any substance to the story or the characters is laughable. it's still okay to like mindless fluff, but don't act as though it's anything but.
>>154468844
Nah. I don't think it's deep or groundbreaking literature, but if you think there's no substance or point it to it, you can't fucking read.
>>154468844
What is literature?
>>154468844
you took it too far the other way
>>154467460
hana is the best
>>154468844
Someone visited /lit/ for the first time I see
if you knock up tsukihi, and her torso is destroyed for whatever reason,
does she regenerate into a pregnant status or does she lose the child?
wouldn't it be at the moment of concieving a half phoenix and thus able to regenerate aswell?
Does she even menstruate? does she have an infinite number of eggs?
>>154470293
>>154470359
don't look so surprised, these questions had to be asked at one point.
>>154427190
Tsukihi best imouto.
>>154470293
>>154470700
Well, I would think she menstruates as it's important to the Shide no Tori not to be found out and it would be a surefire way for her and her family to think that there's something wrong with her.
As for the regenerative ability of a possible child, we know that a Half-Vampire inherits some of their parents abilities, but their regeneration is far weaker than that of a regular vampire. As the Shide no Tori has a way stronger regen than a vampire, I'd assume a possible half-phenix would also inherit at least some of that ability and would thus survive and regenerate.
birb
>>154471491
>Shide no Tori has a way stronger regen than a vampire
>>154472263
>what did he mean by this, the pose
>>154472400
Well, that's what Koyomi says about it and it at seems to heal just as fast as fullpower Kiss-shot who's like one of the strongest beings in the whole universe.
Regular vampires suck in comparison to Tsukihi, see Dramaturgy