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So, why didn't they ever try to use the Evil Containment Wave on Majin Buu?

Did everyone just have their retard hats on during the Buu Saga?
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that was during DBZ lad
also Buu saga is shit
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It became out of date. Everyone forgot about it.
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They only used it on Zamasu is a form of Ex Machina.

You only use Ex Machinas if you absolutely suck at writing and do something called "writing yourself into the corner."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgf8DjpxmoY
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>>154391251
It's not Ex Machina if it was established as part of the universe literally years beforehand.
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Toriyama forgot/didn't care/probably both of those
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>>154389913
Everyone was beat by an actual retard. I try to forget that the Buu arc even exists.
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Why did Vegitto decide he needed to be absorbed by Buuhan? I mean what was the point of saving everyone he had absorbed, you could just destroy Buu then and there and then use the dragon balls. He knew Dende was alive, there was literally no reason for him to get absorbed

Why didn't Goku get Gohan to fight Kid Buu after Vegeta had wished the earth and its people back? Gohan would've wiped the floor with Kid Buu at that point, instead they risked it with spirit bomb

Why was the prologue so shit?
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Piccolo is a total retard and he was able to reverse it. There's no way in hell it would work on someone like Buu.
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>>154389913
Have these threads gotten any better? I've been avoiding them for the past two weeks. Or is it just still 95%arguments, shitposting and spicposting?
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>>154392287
>Why didn't Goku get Gohan to fight Kid Buu after Vegeta had wished the earth and its people back?

Becuase reasons.
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>>154392287
>>154392376

To be perfectly fair, he tried to.
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>>154392287
>Why was the prologue so shit?
Hey, fuck you. The Prologue was the best slice of life in the whole series, blows the fuck out of the attempts to do the same in DBS.
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>>154392287
>why get absorbed
Because destroying Buu would destroy the people inside him.

>you could just use the dragon balls
The entire show falls apart on this. Everyone always saying "but what about the dragon balls?!" as if anyone forgot the name of the show.
Also, there's a limited number of resurrections.

>Gohan would've wiped the floor with Kid Buu
"Gohan lost to Super Buu, but would win against Kid Buu."
mfw

>why was the prologue shit
You mean Goku mindwiping people with the dragonballs? yeah, that was pretty fucking retarded. Goku has never been a genius.
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>>154392358
Oh, yeah? Can a retard do THIS?
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>>154392596
>"Gohan lost to Super Buu, but would win against Kid Buu."
Gohan lost to Gotenks absorbed Ultra Buu. Kid buu was not Gotenks-absorbed Ultra Buu.
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>>154392596
>Because destroying Buu would destroy the people inside him.
But you'd bring them back to life.

>Also, there's a limited number of resurrections.
No there aren't anymore.

>You mean Goku mindwiping people with the dragonballs?
That's the epilogue, not the prologue.
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>>154389913
>So, why didn't they ever try to use the Evil Containment Wave on Majin Buu?
Because no one likes original dragonball, and it came out before the primary viewership demographic was born.
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>>154389913
I would guess it's because it wouldn't be enough to contain someone as powerful as Majin Buu
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>>154392666
You know the whole manga is dragon ball, right? And that the viewership didn't dictate the manga's story, right?
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>>154392596
>Because destroying Buu would destroy the people inside him.
Destroy as in kill? Yeah so fucking what? Wish the back

>Also, there's a limited number of resurrections.
None of the four had died before. They all did die though, when Kid Buu destroyed the earth. So literally what they tried to avoid by getting absorbed happened, and it had no consequences, and they didn't even act as if they thought it had consequences. Your explanation is blatantly untrue

>"Gohan lost to Super Buu, but would win against Kid Buu."
he literally could've oneshotted super buu instantly, he could've done the same to Kid Buu easily considering Goku said he could take on Kid Buu at his full power. Goku had absolutely zero chance against Super Buu

The fact that the writer is a hack and let Buu absorb Gohan doesn't mean Gohan wouldn't have completely destroyed Kid Buu
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>>154392734
>Goku said he could take on Kid Buu at his full power. Goku had absolutely zero chance against Super Buu

Goku had a fine chance against Super Buu, since Kid Buu and Super Buu and Fat buu are fairly close in power level. It's Gotenks Absorbed Super Buu he had zero chance against.

But then again, Goku wouldn't actually have been able to beat Fat buu even if he'd tried properly. He would have run out of energy and disappeared.
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>>154390201
Buu saga is great.
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>>154392820
>Goku had a fine chance against Super Buu
he and vegeta both said they didn't stand a single chance against super buu even together

>Kid Buu and Super Buu and Fat buu are fairly close in power level
not at all
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>>154389913
>Did everyone just have their retard hats on during the entire manga

Fixed it for you
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>>154392630
>mystic Gohan is stronger than SS3
nope

>>154392658
>but dragon balls
The ultimate crutch of the show. I'm sure if they did, people would be arguing about how they never solve problems themselves and end up wishing the real issues away.
>but why not just wish buu into eternal sleep
>why not just wish yourself more powerful than buu
>why not just
because deus ex machina isn't always the answer.

>prologue is shit
My bad, I mixed em up. What part are you referring to?
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>>154392879
>he and vegeta both said they didn't stand a single chance against super buu even together
He and vegeta were proven wrong repeatedly over and over in the whole arc. Goku could NOT have beaten Fat Buu. Goku thought he could beat kid buu, but kid Buu was literally playing with him. Vegeta pretended he could fight Kid Buu and almost died in a couple hits. They both laughed at kid buu when they saw him, despite the fact he outclassed them both.

>not at all
Yes, definitely. Super is stronger than fat, but not massively, the difference between the two is only body shape and violence.
I'm not gonna sit and argue about which one is stronger than the other because that's too autistic even for me, but there's Gohan/Gotenks Buu > HUUUGE power Gap > Super, Fat and Kid > Goku > Power Gap > Vegeta. This is undeniable.
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>>154392983
>nope
You should go rewatch the anime or reread the manga. When you do, come back and maybe I'll read the rest of your post.
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>>154392983
nice filename
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>>154392983
>>but why not just wish buu into eternal sleep
>>why not just wish yourself more powerful than buu

Because shenron can't affect being stronger than Kami, or in the Buu Saga's case Dende, unless they allow it. Read the damn manga, you fucking tertiary.
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>>154392852
Buu arc is easily the weakest arc, even weaker than fucking Cell. You have plebian taste.
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>>154391868
But bringing it back out of nowhere after it was clearly forgotten about is.
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>>154393100
You are the one who has shit taste here not the other way around
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>>154392682
Why'd they try it on Mememasu then?
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>>154393188
Buu saga has a lot of problems, but it is pretty great.

Black / Zamasu was shit though despite the strong start.
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>>154392596

You are a fucking retard.
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>>154392996
>Super is stronger than fat, but not massively
Yes, it is a massive power increase, you fucking moron.

>I'm not gonna sit and argue about which one is stronger than the other because that's too autistic even for me
Nice backpedaling. Don't post again if you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about you stupid fucking retarded piece of shit.
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>>154391251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpn_BAc1T44&t=15s

NEVER give your enemies immortality. you have to write pretty desperately to get away from it.
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>>154393168
correct. They used it as a random cop-out for their shitty writing. Face the facts.

They wanted to bring back something from the old dragon ball too I guess for nostalgia sake, but they could have used this technique on everyone couldn't they? If it works on Zamasu they could've just only done this, so it was simply the result of bad writing.
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>>154393231
you sure fucking showed him retard
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>>154393056
>the dragon balls can't affect anything stronger than Dende
>this means you can't wish yourself more powerful than buu
>this means you can't wish for a perma-sleep chocolate bar and offer it to buu
I'm aware of the rules. Use some imagination.

>>154393022
Do you actually believe that Buu saga Gohan is stronger than SS3? Maybe you should go do some re-reading, anon.

>>154393054
You too.
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>>154393168
There's no proof it was forgotten about, it only works on beings who are PURE EVIL. Majin Buu was not pure evil, neither was Super Buu. Kid Buu technically was, but I don't think Goku actually knew about the containment wave by that point (back in DB, Roshi never actually told him about it or how to use it). You can't forget what you never knew.

Besides, Genki Dama does the same thing (destroys pure evil) but doesn't kill the user in the process.
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>>154393188
No, your taste is undeniably shit. There was not a single thing good about the Buu arc. Shit villain, shit SoL, Gotenks is shit, SS3 is shit, everything was shit. The arc is shit. This isn't an opinion.
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>>154393274
>Yes, it is a massive power increase
No, it is not. They're made of the same stuff. Compared to the power difference between Gotenks absorbed super Buu and super buu base form, the difference between fat and slim is virtually negligible.

>Nice backpedaling
I just want to avoid the typical "Hurr kid buu is stronger than super buu / super buu is stronger than kid buu" bullshit. What I said still stands, learn what backpedaling means.
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>>154391251
They wrote themselves into a corner with Zamasu. He became so ridiculous by the end, the the literal Zeno was the only one who could deal with him.
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>>154393280
Cant kill your opponent?

No to worry just:
seal them
throw them in a black hole
send to another dimension
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>>154393231
>>154393274
Ad hominem isn't an argument
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Do I have bad taste or do all the Buus fucking suck as enemies?

Like, what the hell is their gimmick, autism?

I think that Kid Buu is pretty cool and got a nice aesthetic, but he is the only acceptable Buu. The others are shitty.
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>>154393357
>it only works on beings who are PURE EVIL
>source my retarded ass
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>>154393324
>>this means you can't wish yourself more powerful than buu
Obviously, since Shenron doesn't have the power to do that, because it's a power that far outclasses Dende. Think, anon.

>>this means you can't wish for a perma-sleep chocolate bar and offer it to buu
Shenron's magic can't affect Buu if he doesn't allow it. Think, anon.

>Do you actually believe that Buu saga Gohan is stronger than SS3?
Mystic gohan far, far outclasses SS3 Goku. Not even comparable, this is evident watching their respective fights against Buu. Unless you actually think Super buu is a lot weaker than Fat Buu, in which case you probably have brain damage.
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>>154393394
Something Something Ocean Dub
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>>154393368
>They're made of the same stuff
Yeah, Goten and Goku are very close in power because they're both Saiyans. Are you actually this fucking stupid? If you had even skimmed the manga you would know just how retarded you sound.

>Compared to the power difference between Gotenks absorbed super Buu and super buu base form
Gohan was wrecking base Super Buu. Buutenks outfought Gohan handily. You're a fucking moron. Don't reply again, I'll just laugh at you some more.


>>154393411
Neither is your post, fucking idiot. Fuck off.
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>>154393385
Actually Goku could have won if he just destroyed the universe they were in.
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Dumping Multiverse no one can stop me
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>>154393418
>evil containment wave
>working on things that aren't evil

And again, goku did not know how to perform it in the first place, so why do you think he could use it against Buu?
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>>154393514
>being this retarded

Goku knew Roshi knew how to perform it. He should have immediately asked how it was done. But of course you'll continue to defend the shit writing because Toriyama is a master craftsman and can do no wrong in your fanboy eyes.
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>>154393360
These are you opinions
You do not decide what is shit
shit.shit.shit.shit.shit is what you spam without any rhyme or reason

Majority or not the buu arc gets undeserved hate because you people can't handle any silly stuff
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Buu saga was alright until mystic Gohan jobbed. He should've finished it, things got full retard after that
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>>154393467
>Yeah, Goten and Goku are very close in power because they're both Saiyan
What a laughable analogy anon. Fat Buu and Slim Buu are the same creature exactly, the only difference is personality and shape. Goten and Goku are different people. I can't believe I have to point this out for you.

>Gohan was wrecking base Super Buu. Buutenks outfought Gohan handily.
Which proves me right, anon. Buutenks >>>Gohan >>>>>>>> Super Buu / Fat Buu / Kid Buu.

I can't believe you need a japanese children's comic book explained to you because the plot's too complex for you to follow.
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>>154393555
>Going to ask your teacher on a small island how to perform a sealing technique when the entire Earth could be blown up at any moment if you're not fighting.
How retarded are you?
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>>154393503
>>154393537
>>154393575
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>>154393568
No, most people hate it because the writing is atrociously bad even for DB standards. I'm sorry that you gulp down trash products like a fucking retard, but not all of us are as easily pleased as a two year old.
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>>154393577
>>154393555

You guys do realize piccolo already knew how to use it right?
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>>154393574
>Which proves me right, anon
Except this wasn't your original argument. Good job, now kill yourself, my man.

>>154393577
Your argument falls apart considering SS3 Goku decided to play around with Buu instead of finishing him immediately. Too bad you're too fucking stupid to argue about the retarded things that go on in your head, anon. It must suck to be you.
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>>154393652
Fucking Autist, SSJ3 Goku knew he couldn't kill Majin Buu, he was fucking STALLING. fuck off, kid.
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>>154393630
So does Tien. Should've at least had them try to fucking use it but by this point Dragon Ball was all about power levels and bigger ki blasts.
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>>154393595
Saved
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>>154393688
Too bad the manga contradicts your headcanon, autistic fuckwit.
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>>154393654
>>154393691
>DBM

As much as I was getting into the comic, the advent of Dragonball Super and Bitch-I mean Bra-I mean Bitch ruined it for me.
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>>154393724
Goku only went SSJ3 during his STALLING fight in order to show the others that SSJ3 exists and is possible. If you're going to be a fuckwit and say I'm wrong, post proof in the manga. Otherwise, kindly kill yourself.
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>>154393599
Easily pleased I am not
And keep acting high and mighty reflects on you and your hatred of fun
the fun elements of buu saga and introduction of higher hierarchies trump everything else
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It's better than Super god damn you it'S BETTER THAN SUPER
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>>154393771
Burden of proof is on you considering you made the original claim, dumb fuck. So sorry that you're this retarded.
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People just randomly spout exposition in this. To complete strangers, they just detail their entire life to them
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Salagir is the only fan who truly understands Broly.
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Any time I see someone who says they don't like part of Dragon Ball, I assume they just don't remember it very well.
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>>154389913

>gohan fought an intergalactic tyrant on another planet when he was 5 years old
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>>154393797
Why doesn't Piccolo just absorb every name-

oh...
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>>154392544
>>154392544

i will never not be mad at gohan jobbing in this
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I used to think this art was amazing and now it looks meh to me. I wonder why
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>>154393959
>unofficial translation is proof
Yeah, okay, you lose. Thanks for the easy W, you pathetic little boy.
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>fat buu is good because he absorved a good fat guy
>they ask to Shen Long to return good buu
>he returns him and the fat guy still in his belly
>good fat guy will always be in buu stomach

Wew lad.
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>>154394052
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>>154394111
>posts raws instead of an official translation
Are you honestly this stupid?
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>>154394088
wew lad indeed
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>>154393196
Because Zamasu is weaker than them
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>>154394194

Poor irrelevant character.
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>>154394137
「たぶん勝つのは無理だと思うぜ」
"I think winning is unlikely"

Anyways didn't Goku contradict himself later on in a speech around in the Kid Buu fight?
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>>154394137
anon posted proof, even though you're the one who said
>the manga contradicts your headcanon

Now you're flustered with autism, holding onto your headcanon instead of just admitting you're wrong.
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>>154393415
>Not liking the Gotenks vs Super Buu fight in the hyperbolic time chamber
Full pleb.
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>>154394334
Kind of. I think he's mostly just puffing himself up for Vegeta.

Of course, immediately after we see that Goku underestimated Buu and overestimated how long he could maintain Super Saiyan 3.
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>>154394555
Yes I agree, although wouldn't Dead SSJ3 Goku still be above Fat Buu if he was to trade his time for power?
We all know once he was rezzed and had a real body the stamina drain was hard to keep up for him showcased later on here but...
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>>154394312
delte tis
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>>154394670
Depends on how fast his time would drain. The fight would probably be decently long. I could see SSJ3 Goku being above Buu but being unable to beat him before running out of stamina due to the regeneration.
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>>154394670
It seems that even if you're dead, Super Saiyan 3 is still exhausting to use in the world of the living.
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>>154392358
Piccolos supposed to have 4 fingers?!
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>>154394920
>It seems that even if you're dead, Super Saiyan 3 is still exhausting to use in the world of the living.
I agree, it's just that I'm trying to retroactively fit in Goku's line he states later on.
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>>154394955
Yes in the manga he has 5 fingers.
Piccolo Daimou however grew a fifth finger during his fight with Goku prior to his death.
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>>154394955
Yeah, in the manga Namekians only have four fingers.
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>>154395003
i meant 4, 5 in the anime.
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>>154395003
Piccolo can use his demonic powers to grow an extra finger whenever he needs to tell someone they're going to die in 5 seconds.
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>>154395122
Yep and the editor's note is what makes it funny.
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>>154394961
Goku didn't go all out on Fat Buu. He just stalled for Trunks. If he had went all out, he could have one shotted him with a Kamehameha.

However, this wouldn't have worked, because Goku would have ran out of time and energy. Goku didn't know how crippling SSJ3 was, because it was untested.
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>>154394841

What is his name again?
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What are the odds of the Trio de Dangers getting knocked out offscreen in the actual tournament?
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>>154395224
I think Goku underestimated Buu's regenerative ability. Even Gotrunks who was stronger couldn't manage to do it. Only Gohan and Vegeto were able to kill him without the genkidama it seems.
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>>154395224
>>154395318
Yeah even retrofitting his line from Kid Buu's fight I think the regeneration of Buu still favors over a full powered undead SSJ3 Kamehameha.
I guess we will never know, he could have been wiped clean or turned into vapor like with Gotenks.
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Guys, i need some help, i know this sounds weird, but can some drawfag draw Vegeta getting anally raped by Piccolo? If it is a GIF then its much better, please i really need it
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>>154395318
Gotenks probably had enough power to beat Buu, he was just too stupid and Buu was too tricky.
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>>154395432
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>>154395379
>>154395318
The thing is, Buu's regeneration wouldn't have even been a factor, it'd never have gotten that far. Look how much time was eaten from Goku playing around with Buu at a lower level of SSJ3 power. He only had an hour or 2 left after the fight

To hurt Buu, he'd have to power up. If he powered up any more, all his time would be gone. He'd run out of time and would return to the afterlife in the middle of a Kamehameha charge
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>>154395587
I don't like this meme
Everyone stop having fun, right now.
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>>154395659
heheheh
I wasn't having any fun in the first place
you just got BTFO
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>>154395774
This is some next level shitposting.
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>>154396162
Thanks doc
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Why did Goku pussy out and one shotted Bergamo? He could've keep powering him up until he surpased SSJB with kaio-ken.
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>>154396162
Scum!
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>>154396325
TAKE YOUR DAILY DOSE!!!
STOP FORGETTING IT YOU ARE GETTING OLD
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>>154396162
Thanks doc.
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>>154396418
No, you're getting old and forgetting your heritage! I will have you know I am the prince of all Saiya-Jins!
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>>154392544
Wait why did Vegeta say no? It looked like having Gohan and Gotenks there would have been way more effective than the spirit bomb. My only guess is that he was afraid they'd job again and get absorbed.
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>>154396683
exactly, along with toriyama really not wanting to draw the fused kids and jobberhan fight again.
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Anyone else actually like how Buu wasn't actually all that strong? He gets beat up by everyone, but manages to find a way to win. He's like the reverse villain in DBZ. Raditz, Vegeta, Cell, Freeza, etc, they needed to train and get stronger. For Buu? They had the tools, but fuck up constantly
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>>154394232
That cliff hanger.
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>>154396206
Well the point was as he got bigger his blindspots were easier to exploit. So if he kept getting bigger it would have been even easier I guess.
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>>154396886
That's bullshit and you know it. He could've keep powering him up until he was invincible.
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Stop asking GT is not canon and niether is the anime of super.

There is a manga for a reason.
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>>154396920
Well yeah but then the arc would have ended right there.
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>>154396799
Buu could actually be damaged by bullets,his defenses were pretty weak but he had a lot of HP and HP regenerated per sec
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>>154393357
>on beings who are PURE EVIL.
Holy fuck, someone needs to stop turtle.
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>>154392983
Mystic gohan is the strongest non-fused character during the buu saga
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>>154396799
I really have no idea what people who say the Buu Saga was all about power levels are talking about. Buu had more crazy powers than every other character combined.

The best thing about Buu is that as such a late villain, he was up against an incredibly overpowered cast of characters. But he as able to overcome every single trick they had with a trick of his own, and it was believable.
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Just ONCE, I want to see Goku get BTFO starting a match in normal mode for underestimating an opponent.
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>>154393537
What the hell is this
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>>154397517
Bra Adventures
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>>154397517
a fanmade manga that has far better writting and art than the shitty Super anime and its multi universe tournament was also far better than the "official" super anime.

Super is shit, this is at least somewhat entertaining.
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>>154393577
Also, didn't Goku say he didn't defeat Buu as SSJ3 because he wanted the people who were alive to be able to handle things without him? It would be out of character if he suddenly gave up and wanted to seal the enemy instead of finding a way to defeat it.
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>>154397811
If that was the case, he'd never use the Spirit Bomb on anyone.
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>>154389913
I
LOVE
BEERUSSAMA!
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>>154398194
Do you?
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>>154394232
Wherea the rest of this
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>>154398325
fuck don't question him man
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>>154398836
>him
why are you pretending to be someone else? well? do you love him or not?
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>>154398194
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>>154398890
hey me
stop accusing myself of being a samefag
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>>154398986
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>>154399150
I didn't post that
why did I let myself post that it
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>>154399209
pretending to be retarded to the very end huh
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>>154399253
the only one who started to be retarded was you by saying I was >>154398194 him
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I'm in love with full color version of the manga but how they fucked so hard Goku's epilogue clothes?
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>>154399295
stop it anon i might actually believe that you're actually retarded and now i know you are better than this.
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>>154399334
It's especially annoying because they use a better palette for colored version of Neko Majin Z.
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>>154396830
>>154398710
Just go to the website it's not too hard to find.
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>>154399376
Is still inaccurate but really close to the right one (pic related)
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>>154399363
Hmm
It still seems you think 4chan is a messaging site
I will continue to jump in between conversation and questions asked to someone else and you keep being a newfig thinking
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>>154399440
so you are retarded then when you can't even answer a simple question which is sad honestly.
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>>154399504
keep it up captain autismo
this is boring but keep on going with this
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>>154389913
Because they planned on beating him with fusion and when that failed Piccolo got absorbed right after.
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>>154399334
Kanzenban(toriyama palette)
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>>154399545
no need to cry retardo we are all born differently being retarded has it's perks like able to cut in line in some places
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>>154399629
didn't really read what you said and I don't want to come up with shit comebacks like you

From now we will regurgitate what shit you spewed out
>why are you pretending to be someone else?
why are you so wrong about this again?
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>>154399553
Yeah that's the same palette they use for Neko Majin Z but Toriyama change colors every minute. Those orange pieces are originally supposed to be red and Tori even changed Goku first gi to match with the last one (and he use red instead orange)
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>>154389913
Because you were supposed to get killed when you used it until Super came in and changed all the rules.

Also, it wouldn't have been very exciting if they immediately just jammed him in a jar, so they didn't do it.
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>>154399758
Is that last picture colored by Toriyama? In the Kanzenban it has the limited pallet.

Why is Karin brown?
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>>154393357
Jesus Christ.

Is being in the DBZ fandom supposed to be a huge fucking headache? If it's not people going on THAT'S TOEI CANNON, FUCK YOU, NOT TORIYAMA'S VISION, GET FUCKED or some other stupid bullshit, people will literally pull excuses right out of their assholes for dumb shit that can be explained with "they forgot!" or "they didn't do it, because it would immediately resolve the plot!"

Worst still, is that some of these fan theories get passed off as fact, and fuck you if you don't agree.

I'm thinking of jumping ship to Naruto at this point. It can't be this bad.
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>>154399869
Daizenshuu probably.
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>>154397137
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>>154399944
Naruto is annoying don't do it. Just remember the manga is always better for Dragonball, however super manga or anime is up to you.
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>>154400056
Both.
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>>154399869
>Is that last picture colored by Toriyama?
I think so but I don't remember.

>Why is Karin brown?
Do you remember that "Toriyama change the colors every minute" thing? That's what he actually do with Karin's colors. There's even a yellow and a blue one (also a blue one with white snout because who knows)
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>Toppo
>Jiran

What's Beerus #3's name going to be?
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>>154399944
>naruto
>gelling in with literal babbies
go ahead anon.
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>>154389913
>Why didn't they use the mafuba?

Piccolo actually used it on Super Buu in his what if story in Supersonic Warriors.
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>>154399869
Toriyama does character reveal designs for Super's new arcs like this. This is what we call Toriyama's latest style.
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>>154400241
Will they ever explain how shredded he got in the span of half an episode?
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>>154400154
After chapter 1 Toriyama's colors were always consistent. Karin is blue on the only color pages he appears on.
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>>154400301
Of course they won't.
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Reminder

>Lorax is called "Toppo" from "pot"
>Ayy is called "Jiren" from "range"

>Pride Troopers names come from items used to cook up vegetables because they will tear the saiyans apart
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>>154399758
GT is weird. Why did Goku get tan as fuck when he turned back into a child?
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What was your reaction when Boo couldn't participate in the U6 tournament?
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>>154400337
GT had Goku's skin complexion right. Toriyama most of the time makes Goku tan. It's why Black was tan, because Toei just straight up used Toriyama's design.
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>>154392601
y-yeah?
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>>154400376
This.
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>>154400376
This.
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>>154400329

How does that Logic work?
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>>154400376
I think this is as tan as Goku ever got.
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>>154400422
But sometimes Goku was full on white.
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Saiyans are tanned

TANNED I SAY
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>>154400389
That's still not nearly as tan as GT Goku.
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>>154400461
Because Toriyama's memory is shit but if he remembers he use dark skin for Goku
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>>154400481
WE
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>>154400537
Damn 18 is so beautiful.
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>>154400481
Well they don't use the same exact shade every time anon (see >>154400481)
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>>154400580
mean to reply >>154400505
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>>154400537
Why is Trunks so brown in that page?
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>>154389913
>you will never see super buu, buuhan or kid buu again

Screw this homosexual landscape.
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>>154400630
Because Bulma was BLACKED
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>>154400630
someone showed him galo sengen earlier that day and he wanted to try it
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There's something about the way Toyotaro draws Goku and Black's hair that rubs me off the wrong way.
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TANNED I SAY YOU FOOLS
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why aren't we talking about /ourhero/ Jiren?
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>>154400694
Why is Pilaf green
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>>154400679
Do you think Bulma think Vegeta's tan is sexy?
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>>154400744
Because blue Pilaf is for peasants
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>>154400744
He looks like a Green imp from Chrono trigger
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Time to repost sexiest saiyan/god
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>>154393324
>The only reason people think Kid Buu is stronger than super buu is because of a dub line

No really you should go back and do some actual reading. Or even watch the sub of the anime. You'll learn a few things
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>>154400738
Why didn't Zamasu join the Pride Troopers?
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>>154400744
rather you should look at 18's hair color Toriyama made it silver and forgot it was blonde.
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>>154393360
>shit villian
Nah, the fact that he absorbed personalities and brains, not just powers, made him better than at least cell. I always get chills when Super Buu recognized Satan the first couple of times, particularly because it caused him to lay down his hand before making a killer blow.
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>>154400694
What the fuck happened to Ox king? He looks like a gay biker.
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>>154400747
Vegeta has a tan?
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>>154400555
She looks amazing in that panel.
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>>154400744
Toriyama forgot he was blue (raughs)
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>>154400831
Read the fucking manga where Goku's is sure about kill kid Buu using SS3 but he's shitting on his pants thinking of face Super Buu even fighting with Vegeta
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>>154400879
Well, he's a saiyan too (>>154400389 >>154400537)
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>>154400913
Kid Buu's power level and ki is unreadable. Smug Goku got btfo'd later on too.
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>>154400834
>Why didn't Zamasu join the Ningen Troopers?
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>>154400951
>his ki is unreadable
Why did Goku and Vegeta sense Buu's ki rising when he went buff form and then sense it dropping when he started turning into kid Buu then faggot?
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>>154400951
>Goku got btfo'd
Because he can't use SS3 at full power since he's not dead anymore you literal retard. SS3 Goku at full power can defeat kid Buu, Gotenks can defeat Buu, Gohan can defeat Buu, those things were established by the characters, doesn't matter how much you ignore it
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>>154401023
They never read his ki after that initial powerup/defuse moment.
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why aren't they using this little plot device anymore
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>>154401046
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>>154392983
Buu Saga SSJ Gotenks was stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
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These tanned aliens are fucking every women on Earth so what's your excuse for being a cuck
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>>154401056
Except Old Kai specifically refers to him as the most troublesome incarnation which is later expanded upon in Daizenshuu 2: Story Guide which refers to him as the "strongest enemy in the universe".
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>>154401177
No he wasn't. SS3 Gotenks on the other hand was almost twice as strong.
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>>154401190
How is that tan?
They look white as fuck.
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>>154389913

Fat Buu wasn't really evil.

Can't talk about the other three iterations.
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>>154401222
Nah, He told buu someone stronger than him was gonna fight, He most definitely meant SSJ Gotenks as he was surprised the Gotenks was even able to go SSJ3 in the first place.
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>>154400744

Probably to people don't think he is from the same race as the dog gods.
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>>154401222
According to Goku, kids' fusion would be strong enough to beat Buu (aka SS Gotenks) so SS3 Gotenks is ( by Daizenshuu 7 multipliers) 8 times stronger than SS3
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>>154392853
This would be better if he actually covered tai lopez' arm and if that gap was filled in someone fix it please.
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>>154401294
>8x
That's just ridiculous
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>>154401214
troublesome =/= powerful
They can distract or argue with super Buu but kid is just an animal, of course is more problematic just see how he destroyed Earth. Super Buu would enjoy kill Goku and Vegeta before destroy shit.
Do you think Beerus is stronger than the Grand Priest because he's more problematic?

>Daizenshuu 2
Do you know that only Daizenshuu 7 was aprobbed by Toriyama, anon?
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>>154401416
Because Goten and Trunks power (fusion as well) is fucking ridiculous. And just imagine ultimate Gohan.
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>>154401416
Not him but, as I recall

-SS1 = X50 base
-SS2 = X100 base(or X2 SS1)
-SS3 = X400 base(or X4 SS2, and X8 SS1)
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>>154401416
>Trunks goes from SSJ2 level to SSB level by getting really angry
Not really by dragon ball standards.
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>>154389913
If the evil containment wave were to work on Buu, the embodiment of evil at the time, then it would have worked on any of the past villains.
Saiyans? Use the evil containment wave.
Frieza and his men? Use the evil containment wave.
Androids? Use the evil containment wave.
Cell? Use the evil containment wave.
Evil containment wave would have been a quick fix for any of their problems.
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>>154401294
>Daizenshuu multipliers

What will it take to get people to stop believing this nonsense?
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>>154389913
Why didn't they just wish Buu back into his ball?
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>>154401482
Would of been boring as fuck. They wouldn't even be strong enough to be on Beerus radar if that happened.
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>>154401496
Looks like you forgot that Gohan's potential asspull is about got more power from nowhere (until he becomes ultimate jobber)
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>>154401476
Well, we are talking about Toei version of DBS so...
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>>154401476
>Trunks goes from SSJ2 level to SSB level by getting really angry

I know Super has bad writing. I'm talking about Z, not shitty Toei fanfiction.
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>>154401596

Literally blown away by an SSJ1 aura being flared
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Can someone explain to me why there's two threads?
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>>154401672
newfags
>>
This thread just shows how bad the writing in this series is.
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>>154389913
>Supersonic Warriors on the GBA
>Goku dies
>Piccolo has to step up and become the Guardian of Earth
>fuses with Nail on Namek
>fuses with Kami on Earth
>defeats Cell with Gohan
>Buu comes around
>Piccolo uses the Dragon Balls to wish back King Piccolo
>defeats him and fuses with him
>is strong enough to fight Super Buu but can't beat him
>uses the Mafuba to seal him away

I kinda wish we got this instead of the actual Buu Arc which was just a bunch of pointless transformations and power-ups.
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>>154389913
Toriyama is a hack and forgot about it. The only reason they even brought it back is because Toyo has too much say in what happens. Chances are, Toriyama doesn't actually do anything plotwise with Super and just designs shit.
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>>154392983
>nope

Ningen, please. It's basic understanding.

Buuhan > Buutenks > Buucolo > Super Buu > Fat Buu >= Kid Buu > Evil Buu > Good Buu

Vegeto > Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Vegeta > Untrained Gohan
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>>154395292
They actually win. How else are they gonna asspull u10 existing in the future or the end of dbz? Super Dragon Balls ain't gonna do shit if Zeno doesn't have a promise to keep of not destroying shit.
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>Goku power level at Namek is 3.000.000
>Goku power after return to Earth is higher
>three years later he's even stronger
>but Vegeta was even stronger
>then Vegeta trains in RoSaT
>Goku trains too and becomes about twice stronger (how much? 8.000.000 already?)
>Goku at Buu saga is even stronger
>his SS3 form should be above 3,300,000,000
>SS Gotenks is even stronger
>then this little motherfucker trains in RoSaT
>goes SS3, above 27.000.000.000 or something?
>Ultimate Gohan is even stronger
>Super Buu (at least above SS2 Gotenks tier/6.750.000.000) absorbs Gohan and goes above 33.750.000.000
>SS Vegetto is stronger
>SS3 Vegetto would be above 270,000,000,000 then
>SSG Goku is stronger

RIDICULOUS not surprising, though
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>>154393488
He seemed to have affected the entire multiverse, and could still shoot death beams so I guess Goku couldn't have destroyed 12 at the same time and/or Zamasu could still defend.
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>>154401956
>powerlevelfag
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST KILL YOURSELF, THEIR IS NO FUCKING PROOF OF GOKU BEING STRONGER THAN VEGETTO LET ALONE SSJ GOTENKS BEING STRONGER THAN GOKU
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>>154400634
>wanting Buuhan over Buutenks

Exactly what I'd expect of a ningen.
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>>154397137
Anime only
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>>154401722
So true
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>>154402001
>think about how powerful characters are for 5 minutes is being a powerlevelfag
wew kys

>no proof of Goku stronger than Vegetto
Read the manga.

>let alone SS Gotenks being stronger than Goku
Read the (previous) manga.
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>>154399432
i just visited that dragonball-multiverse.com website and all i can find is a minicomic and a god damn wall of text
where is this manga
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>>154399944
>>154400694
Isn't it weird that mei is God only knows how many years older than bulma but is now dating bulmas son
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>>154402001
DB without coherent power levels is just nonsense.
Idiocy like yours is why DBS has been an absolute clusterfuck of stupid as fuck bullshit.
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>>154400694
I wonder why Toriyama draws so slim now. Even Araki did it.
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>>154402120
Dude, the jap government wanted everyone paired off and fucking. Trunks and Mei(for some ridiculous fucking reason) was thought to be a good idea.
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>>154392596
>It's a Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu poster
Move along nothing worthwhile here.
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>>154402120
The beauty of the dragon balls making you younger, start life over and finding the right one you love. Quite fascinating isn't it?
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>>154392666
>came out before the primary viewership demographic was born.
In burger
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>>154402010
>not preffering Buu's Picollo-dominant form to all others

Found the pleb
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>>154392820
Super and Kid destroy Fat after splitting.
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>>154400738
He's fucking boring.
He's litterally there to fight and lose to goku and that's it.
After they fucked it all up with Hiit, and made Broly into a chick..you know...FER LAFFS!!! absolutely fucking no one has any real hope for anything.
We already know what's going to happen, and there's a 99.9% chance that it's going to be stupid and lead to a poorly choreographed fight.
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>>154402188
He was only in that form for two minutes.
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The problem with power levels is that SS1 is such a massive jump x50, and you know Tori has got to regret that since SS2 and SS3 are only x2 and x4.

And that people assume that that power numerical PL is a direct 1:1 correlation to actual ability.

Like would a person with a PL of 2 really be double ever physical stat of someone with a PL of 1?

Hell consider that a 4k PL difference got Nappa absolutely raped by Goku, but a several million gap between Goku and Frieza had Frieza hold his own despite still clearly losing.
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>>154402247
That's why it's best buu. We'll never know what he was capable of, then.
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>>154393357
Pure evil like Kami amirite
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>>154402249
It's cumlative to be honest.

The difference between 5 pounds and 200 pounds is huge.

But the difference between 100000 pounds and 140000 is not that great at all.


And if you are going by skill level? Yeah, skill with a moderately lower powerlevel can easily bridge the gap. Goku was a weakling compared to Vegetta during the Saiyan saga.
Goku was simply a much better fighter and had back up.


As for SSJ levels? Yeah. Toriyama outright states that he wishes that the power levels were only x10 rather then 50. Oh and SSJ2 is x200 and SSJ3 x400.
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>>154402249
I honestly would be happy if he retconned the whole thing so each new transformation gives diminishing returns (i.e SSJ x20, SSJ2 x15, SSJ3 X5, etc. SSJB can be a single multiplier of whatever it is now).
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>>154402348
It multiplies the fucking base form. It doesn't multiply anything else.
Why in the shit would the new forms be WEAKER?

Are you saying they should multiply the base of the SSJ form?
If that's the case, what you're suggesting is quite litterally mindbogglingly insane leaps of power.
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>>154402249
If you think that strength is everything then you don't know anything about fighting.
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>>154402345
>Goku was a weakling compared to Vegetta during the Saiyan saga
Nah goku literally had a technique that made his power exceed Vegetas.
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>>154402429
>Literally getting their asses kicked until Gohan Exceeded Raditz PL.
>Not all about strength.
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>>154402470
Yeah, and it practically crippled him and lead to him DYING from heart failure years later.
And Vegeta had a technique that slapped his shit retarded. You know, the great ape transformation?
The one Gohan ultimately had to use to defeat Vegetta?

Goku barely survived that battle.
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>>154402513
Yeah, overwhelming strength makes all techniques completely useless, however if they are within the realm of each other or have certain kinds of techniques they can take down damn near anyone.
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>SS Gotenks is about base Goku x400
>Super Buu is above base SS2 Gotenks = Goku x 800
>SS3 Gotenks and ultimate Gohan is about base Goku x 3200
>Super Buu + Gohan is about Goku base x 4000
>SS3 Vegetto is above Goku base x 32000

My new headcanon is that SSB multiplier is base x 50,000 (so 1000 times stronger than SS) and fuck you if you don't like it
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>>154402582
>lead to him DYING from heart failure years later
Sauce on Kaioken causing the Heart Virus.
>>154402612
True
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>>154393503
That Vegeta's got a crazy cameltoe
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>>154402345

Aren't SS2 and 3, a x2 and x4 on top of the previous levels meaning a total of
x50, x100, x400 per level?

>>154402416
No its fine if it's lower levels of power.

Consider that SS3 despite being a 400x multiplier is in effect only 8x higher than SS1, and like 4x that of SS2.

At low multipliers it's fine.
Imagine

Base: 100
SS1: x10 = 1000
SS2: x5 = 5000 (effective x50)
SS3 x2 = 10000 (effective x100)

It's a reasonable level.

Honestly had Tori made Kaioken x10 the max (or even lower) then made SSx20 it would make it all the more reasonable.

>>154402429
Yes but the stuff like Kaioken and SS multipliers just make you stronger and faster they don't give you new techniques or make you smarter.
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>Take a break after Trunks arc
>Worry exhibition tourney would be throaway
>Furries always one dimensional jobbers in DB
>New art director
>U9 best universe

Holy shit I am having fun with DBS for the first time ever. Opening started the hype. U9 Exhibition sealed it. Can't wait for Lorax.
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>>154402630
Kaioken completely raped his entire body. Every single muscle organs even bones were destroyed from use of it.

His heart was weakened as well. Goku has never not once ever been seriously sick, and a heart virus all of a sudden takes him out? The Kaioken he had to use as a last desperate gambit against Vegeta weakened his heart and made him susceptible to the heart virus.
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>>154402695
I think it's far more likely that Goku came in contact with an alien virus when he was hopping around space after he beat Frieza.
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>>154402623
Veggeto should be higher.

SS3 is a x400 boost, and if we're gonna use guide books (or even just common sense of what's seen on panel) Vegetto is about as strong as SS3 Goku. Him going SS3 would 160,000x.
Keep in mind that then SSG is less than 10% of SSB, but is supposedly above SS3 Vegetto.

So SSB is over x1mil.


Fuck looking it at it mathematically is such a fuck joke.
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>>154402687
>u9 consisted of dudeweed angel, laid back dwarf destruction god, cheating non pussified kaioshin

anyone gonna miss u9? I'm gonna miss U9 and U10 with QT angel
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>>154402678
No SSJ2 is 200 ssJ3 is 400.

That's how it works.
SSJ2 isn't a double of SSJ2, it's a quadriple power boost.

No I still think it's okay like it is. You can lower the base multiplier all you want, but that honestly means fuck all.

We aren't actually discussing the most important thing after all. The way this power is actually realized in the comic itself.

Bitching about the actual numbers used to conceptualize it is nothing more then mathmatical masturbation that amounts to absolutely fucking nothing.

What I think Tori is REALLY upset about aren't the numbers. It's the fact that Frieza blew up a planet. That's where shit went straight up fucking bananas. Where it became the DB we all know and love but became a monster that Tori racked his brains year after year over. A monster that he desperately tried and skillfully maneuvered around a cage called the DB story.

The problem with super is that, they fucking suck. They don't understand nor really care about what it takes maneuver this huge lumbering beast around and have just thrown a bunch of ridiculous nonsense into it that just fucks it all up.
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>>1544027713
>alien virus

Metroid reference in DBZ
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>>154402687
>we know these characters' names

You can't even imagine how happy I'm with finally have names for Kaioshins

Kaios names when?
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>>154402771
Nah, literally everyone of his friends would have caught the virus too. Especially Chi-chi.

Goku's body was ruined from the use of the Kaioken.
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>>154402695
He ate a sensu bean after the fight with Vegeta
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>>154402778
>Vegetto is about as strong as SS3 Goku
what

>SSG is less than 10% of SSB
But SSG is more than 10% SSB
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>>154402926
Think he meant base form
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>>154402778
No no no.

Multipliers are a 100% standard across the board for everyone no matter what powerlevel they start at.
Everyone gets the same 50/200/400 power level boost with the SSJ1/2/3 forms.

No amount of training will change that one single bullet proof fact. This is basically what everyone did during the Cell saga. Trained their asses off too boost their base power levels AND tried to create new SSJ1 forms to overcome the hard x50 limit.
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>>154392372
60%Shitposting,39%Spic Posting, 0.1% Carlos, 0.9% arguments. You arent missing anything.
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>>154402884
>Goku got a virus
>Chichi doesn't

>Goku don't even kiss his wife

Not surprised here
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>>154402957
I was under the impression that they mostly trained in their transformation forms.

Now after meeting Wiz they are focused on training their base forms for more gains
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>>154402948
What's his source then? Base Vegetto never fought in the manga and was already stronger than Buu-Gohan in anime filler. Where was ever implied that base Vegetto = SS3 Goku?
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>>154402884
Alien pathogens don't have to follow the rules of normal ones. It's possible it didn't leave his body.
Your headcanon sucks, dude.
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>>154402920
His heart was already damaged from the fight.

You see, the senzu bean re-energizes the body and makes the body instantly heal up in a natural way.
If it simply reverted all changes created by battles or getting hurt then senzu beans would NEGATE the Zenkai boosts and in fact make all training and posittive adaptations from battles pointless.

It healed him up re-energized him and fixed his wounds. Even left him a bit stronger, but the damage to his heart was seen as something that wasn't really bad. He died from what the kaioken did to him.
It was a death brought on by extensive use of a powerful technique that only the gods could use, but a natural death nonetheless.
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>>154396683
>Wait why did Vegeta say no?

PRIDE
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>>154403030
You are wrong.
They train in their base forms. Rarely in their transformed states.

Base form becoming stronger = stronger transformed states. No amount of training in your transformed state will create a more powerful transformed state overall.
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>>154403050
Then why in the fuck did the alien virus infect him in the first place if it doesn't seek out new hosts?
A virus that does not spread itself around. that's not a fucking virus.
That's just a lazy fucking parasite. What? Did Goku have heartworms or something?
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Here's another PL inconsistency or more of a GodKi inconsistency.

How come the Kai are so weak relatively speaking?

God ki is a boost so absolutely massive it shits on SS3 so why do Kai who only have godki end up so weak?
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>>154403170
Leave Hit's donut virginity to me.
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you know Goku's virus was not alien at all right guys?

As I recall anime said it was a virus from Yadrat (Namek maybe?) but wasn't in the manga. The virus is clearly earthling since the humanity investigated it and created a cure.
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>>154403206
The Supreme Kai are stated to be like 1,000 times stronger then frieza, you know, the dude who was considered the strongest being the the unvierse besides Buu and Beerus, to the point no one dared challenge him.
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>>154403034
Guidebook has a line saying he's over 400 times stronger than Goku. Which would make him above SS3 Goku.
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>>154403206
regular fruit shinjin = may become a Kaio
golden fruit shinjin = may become a Kaioshin

Probably only Kaioshin (and Makaioshin) use god ki
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>>154403206
He is strong.
He's just a weakling compared to the mutants and monsters from earth and in the universe.

He wasn't even the strongest kai. He was a weak barely pubescent tween compared to the rest of them.
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>>154403154
Most of the training you see in dbz after frieza is them training while in a ss state
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>>154403030
>>154402957
No you're reading it wrong. x160,000 as in SS3 Veggto compared to base Goku.


ie assuming Veggeto is around SS3 level of 400x base Goku. Therefore adding x400 onto himself would effectively make him 160,000 stronger than Goku.

The form multiplier is still 400 but for a comparative scale SS3 Vegetto is 160,000 times stronger than base Goku.
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>>154403120
>No amount of training in your transformed state will create a more powerful transformed state overall.

I think you're forgetting an important part of the story.
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>>154403351
Meant for
>>154403120
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>>154403246
>1,000 times stronger then frieza
>state
What
When
Where
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>>154389913
Because Super is not canon.
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>>154403354
>>154403253
which one say base Vegetto is stronger than ssj3 Goku?
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>>154403206
Kaioken are fucking strong.

At least stronger than frieza who ruled the galaxy or universe or whatever.

They can fight on par with Buu. A fucking cosmic horror being.

Id guess the kaioshin are somewhere near as strong as Perfect Cell or so
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>>154403486
>Kaioken are fucking strong.
>Kaioken
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>>154403392
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>>154403522
You know what i meant
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>>154403206
It's hard to believe anyone outside the GoD/angel ranks use god ki, considering what a boost it gives.

If Kaioshin used god ki like their GoD counterparts, even a fledgling like U7's wouldn't run away from Babidi and Dabra like a bitch.
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>>154403246
He was slightly stronger than a super saiyan but he was completely in awe of super saiyan 2. I don't think supreme kai could even beat android 17/18.
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>>154403366
The SSJ1 state did not go up one single solitary extra multiplicative point.

They only got stronger.
Something they could have done by training in their base form.


>>154403383
That's not true on any fucking level. At, all, period.
Basically all training is done in their base form.
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>>154403559
Still don't see anyone saying they were 1000 times stronger than shit
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>>154403559
Who says you need to be 1000 times stronger to knock someone out with one blow?
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>>154403617
>Basically all training is done in their base form.
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>>154403617
False
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>>154403486
>Supreme Kai was much weaker than Dabura
who was a little weaker than Perfect Cell

>They can fight on par with Buu
>He didn't even manage to tickle Buu while getting absolutely BTFO

Only the Fat Kai and the Android 16 Kai were Stronger than Cell, the rest were clowns.
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>>154403594
the Kai are shocked at any measure of power from a mortal becuase they don't think a mortal could get that powerful, not because SS2 was stronger then he was.

Look as fucking Gowasu, he was in awe of Ss1 goku, calling him on the level of like Beerus.

And ALL the gods and kai were shitting themselves after Goku went blue, despite the fact all the gods of destruction are stronger then SSB Goku.
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>>154403584
Why not? Even SSG Raditz would not defeat Freeza so why Shin (with his own god ki) should be necessarily stronger than Dabura?

Also they mentioned that Kaioshin's ki can't be used to resurrect Buu, didn't they? That means Kaioshin's ki is special
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>>154403678
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>>154402671
That must be hurting his balls like fuck.
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>>154403717
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>>154403684
>Id guess the kaioshin are somewhere near as strong as Perfect Cell or so

>only 2 were stronger than cell the others were a bit weaker than cell

Btw i said perfect cell not super perfect cell
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>>154403709
Goku threatened to kill Supreme Kai if he got in his way when Vegeta went berserk. Kai was scared.
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Have they revealed who female broly is yet?
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>>154402156
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>154403684
>who was a little weaker than Perfect Cell
They said the opposite, though

>fat Kaio
>specially stronger
They didn't say shit like that
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>>154403617
Isn't the first episode of Super Goku training in Super Saiyan?
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>>154403749
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>>154403712
I don't know how to answer any of that because it's all headcanon.
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>>154402771
This is a pretty good explanation. Goku stopped at dozens of planets before he came home.
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>>154403780
Has the point been made yet?
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>>154403678
>>154403681
>>154403717
Dude, are you going to continue to cherry pick pictures or vids of when they occasionally go SSJ while training to say that ALL TRAINING IS DONE IN SSJ PERIOD NO MATTER WHAT or are you just going to sit down and stop embarassing yourself.
Because it's a thing. They rarely if ever train in their SSJ forms. It's mostly base form.

No, real talk. Go back and look at all of their training sessions. All of them.
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>>154403777
Theres few times i can think of them not training in ss form.

All the ones i can recall are in ss form
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>>154403813
Time to repost my edit
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>>154403813
No retard.
And that one pic isn't even fucking training. That's just him standing around in SSJ3.
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>>154403813
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>>154403774
>They said the opposite, though
If you think Dabura is stronger than Zenkai Super Perfect Cell or even base Perfect Cell when he struggled with weakened Gohan who couldn't even go max power SSJ2 you're straight up retarded.
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>>154403855
I think he means Gohan training with the Z Sword
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>>154403818
>Basically all training is done in their base form.
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>>154403847
do you rike it guys
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>>154403463
The guidebook that says that SS3 is x400 is also the same one that says Vegetto is "400 times stronger than Goku"

You're right there is no guide book that outright states it but isn't that a logical assumption?
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>>154403862
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>>154403863
Read the manga, Goku said that Dabura was as strong as Cell and that he's stronger than they thought when Gohan was fighting with him
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>>154403855
That was training though. Goku was sparring with Gohan who was training with the Z sword.

Wasnt goku like throwing metal mountains at gohan?
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>>154403909
The guidebook that says that SS3 is x400 is also the same one that says Vegetto is "400 times stronger than Goku"
Do you mean Daizenshu 7? You're right, then.

I still don't see actual source but whatever
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>>154403855
I'm talking about Gohan.
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>>154393503
They draw well for fans.
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Why didn't Bergamo just grow bigger after taking Goku's kamehameha?
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Hey this one counts as well right?
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>>154403956
Well Supressed Cell fought Goku at the beginning of the tournament with like 75% of his power. Cell's power shifted so radically when Gohan and Goku fought that you cant really guage what Goku was talking about and it's pretty clear that Gohan was slacking and couldn't go full power SS2 against Dabura. Dab is just weaker than Perfect Cell.
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>>154404076
yup.
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>>154404095
Oh good one, that one slipped my mind.
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