So, why didn't they ever try to use the Evil Containment Wave on Majin Buu?
Did everyone just have their retard hats on during the Buu Saga?
Why did Vegitto decide he needed to be absorbed by Buuhan? I mean what was the point of saving everyone he had absorbed, you could just destroy Buu then and there and then use the dragon balls. He knew Dende was alive, there was literally no reason for him to get absorbed
Why didn't Goku get Gohan to fight Kid Buu after Vegeta had wished the earth and its people back? Gohan would've wiped the floor with Kid Buu at that point, instead they risked it with spirit bomb
Why was the prologue so shit?
Piccolo is a total retard and he was able to reverse it. There's no way in hell it would work on someone like Buu.
Have these threads gotten any better? I've been avoiding them for the past two weeks. Or is it just still 95%arguments, shitposting and spicposting?
To be perfectly fair, he tried to.
>why get absorbed
Because destroying Buu would destroy the people inside him.
>you could just use the dragon balls
The entire show falls apart on this. Everyone always saying "but what about the dragon balls?!" as if anyone forgot the name of the show.
Also, there's a limited number of resurrections.
>Gohan would've wiped the floor with Kid Buu
"Gohan lost to Super Buu, but would win against Kid Buu."
>why was the prologue shit
You mean Goku mindwiping people with the dragonballs? yeah, that was pretty fucking retarded. Goku has never been a genius.
Oh, yeah? Can a retard do THIS?
>Because destroying Buu would destroy the people inside him.
But you'd bring them back to life.
>Also, there's a limited number of resurrections.
No there aren't anymore.
>You mean Goku mindwiping people with the dragonballs?
That's the epilogue, not the prologue.
>So, why didn't they ever try to use the Evil Containment Wave on Majin Buu?
Because no one likes original dragonball, and it came out before the primary viewership demographic was born.
I would guess it's because it wouldn't be enough to contain someone as powerful as Majin Buu
You know the whole manga is dragon ball, right? And that the viewership didn't dictate the manga's story, right?
>Because destroying Buu would destroy the people inside him.
Destroy as in kill? Yeah so fucking what? Wish the back
>Also, there's a limited number of resurrections.
None of the four had died before. They all did die though, when Kid Buu destroyed the earth. So literally what they tried to avoid by getting absorbed happened, and it had no consequences, and they didn't even act as if they thought it had consequences. Your explanation is blatantly untrue
>"Gohan lost to Super Buu, but would win against Kid Buu."
he literally could've oneshotted super buu instantly, he could've done the same to Kid Buu easily considering Goku said he could take on Kid Buu at his full power. Goku had absolutely zero chance against Super Buu
The fact that the writer is a hack and let Buu absorb Gohan doesn't mean Gohan wouldn't have completely destroyed Kid Buu
>Goku said he could take on Kid Buu at his full power. Goku had absolutely zero chance against Super Buu
Goku had a fine chance against Super Buu, since Kid Buu and Super Buu and Fat buu are fairly close in power level. It's Gotenks Absorbed Super Buu he had zero chance against.
But then again, Goku wouldn't actually have been able to beat Fat buu even if he'd tried properly. He would have run out of energy and disappeared.
>Goku had a fine chance against Super Buu
he and vegeta both said they didn't stand a single chance against super buu even together
>Kid Buu and Super Buu and Fat buu are fairly close in power level
not at all
>mystic Gohan is stronger than SS3
>but dragon balls
The ultimate crutch of the show. I'm sure if they did, people would be arguing about how they never solve problems themselves and end up wishing the real issues away.
>but why not just wish buu into eternal sleep
>why not just wish yourself more powerful than buu
>why not just
because deus ex machina isn't always the answer.
>prologue is shit
My bad, I mixed em up. What part are you referring to?
>he and vegeta both said they didn't stand a single chance against super buu even together
He and vegeta were proven wrong repeatedly over and over in the whole arc. Goku could NOT have beaten Fat Buu. Goku thought he could beat kid buu, but kid Buu was literally playing with him. Vegeta pretended he could fight Kid Buu and almost died in a couple hits. They both laughed at kid buu when they saw him, despite the fact he outclassed them both.
>not at all
Yes, definitely. Super is stronger than fat, but not massively, the difference between the two is only body shape and violence.
I'm not gonna sit and argue about which one is stronger than the other because that's too autistic even for me, but there's Gohan/Gotenks Buu > HUUUGE power Gap > Super, Fat and Kid > Goku > Power Gap > Vegeta. This is undeniable.
>>but why not just wish buu into eternal sleep
>>why not just wish yourself more powerful than buu
Because shenron can't affect being stronger than Kami, or in the Buu Saga's case Dende, unless they allow it. Read the damn manga, you fucking tertiary.
You are the one who has shit taste here not the other way around
Why'd they try it on Mememasu then?
>Super is stronger than fat, but not massively
Yes, it is a massive power increase, you fucking moron.
>I'm not gonna sit and argue about which one is stronger than the other because that's too autistic even for me
Nice backpedaling. Don't post again if you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about you stupid fucking retarded piece of shit.
correct. They used it as a random cop-out for their shitty writing. Face the facts.
They wanted to bring back something from the old dragon ball too I guess for nostalgia sake, but they could have used this technique on everyone couldn't they? If it works on Zamasu they could've just only done this, so it was simply the result of bad writing.
>the dragon balls can't affect anything stronger than Dende
>this means you can't wish yourself more powerful than buu
>this means you can't wish for a perma-sleep chocolate bar and offer it to buu
I'm aware of the rules. Use some imagination.
Do you actually believe that Buu saga Gohan is stronger than SS3? Maybe you should go do some re-reading, anon.
There's no proof it was forgotten about, it only works on beings who are PURE EVIL. Majin Buu was not pure evil, neither was Super Buu. Kid Buu technically was, but I don't think Goku actually knew about the containment wave by that point (back in DB, Roshi never actually told him about it or how to use it). You can't forget what you never knew.
Besides, Genki Dama does the same thing (destroys pure evil) but doesn't kill the user in the process.
No, your taste is undeniably shit. There was not a single thing good about the Buu arc. Shit villain, shit SoL, Gotenks is shit, SS3 is shit, everything was shit. The arc is shit. This isn't an opinion.
>Yes, it is a massive power increase
No, it is not. They're made of the same stuff. Compared to the power difference between Gotenks absorbed super Buu and super buu base form, the difference between fat and slim is virtually negligible.
I just want to avoid the typical "Hurr kid buu is stronger than super buu / super buu is stronger than kid buu" bullshit. What I said still stands, learn what backpedaling means.
They wrote themselves into a corner with Zamasu. He became so ridiculous by the end, the the literal Zeno was the only one who could deal with him.
Do I have bad taste or do all the Buus fucking suck as enemies?
Like, what the hell is their gimmick, autism?
I think that Kid Buu is pretty cool and got a nice aesthetic, but he is the only acceptable Buu. The others are shitty.
>>this means you can't wish yourself more powerful than buu
Obviously, since Shenron doesn't have the power to do that, because it's a power that far outclasses Dende. Think, anon.
>>this means you can't wish for a perma-sleep chocolate bar and offer it to buu
Shenron's magic can't affect Buu if he doesn't allow it. Think, anon.
>Do you actually believe that Buu saga Gohan is stronger than SS3?
Mystic gohan far, far outclasses SS3 Goku. Not even comparable, this is evident watching their respective fights against Buu. Unless you actually think Super buu is a lot weaker than Fat Buu, in which case you probably have brain damage.
>They're made of the same stuff
Yeah, Goten and Goku are very close in power because they're both Saiyans. Are you actually this fucking stupid? If you had even skimmed the manga you would know just how retarded you sound.
>Compared to the power difference between Gotenks absorbed super Buu and super buu base form
Gohan was wrecking base Super Buu. Buutenks outfought Gohan handily. You're a fucking moron. Don't reply again, I'll just laugh at you some more.
Neither is your post, fucking idiot. Fuck off.
>being this retarded
Goku knew Roshi knew how to perform it. He should have immediately asked how it was done. But of course you'll continue to defend the shit writing because Toriyama is a master craftsman and can do no wrong in your fanboy eyes.
These are you opinions
You do not decide what is shit
shit.shit.shit.shit.shit is what you spam without any rhyme or reason
Majority or not the buu arc gets undeserved hate because you people can't handle any silly stuff
>Yeah, Goten and Goku are very close in power because they're both Saiyan
What a laughable analogy anon. Fat Buu and Slim Buu are the same creature exactly, the only difference is personality and shape. Goten and Goku are different people. I can't believe I have to point this out for you.
>Gohan was wrecking base Super Buu. Buutenks outfought Gohan handily.
Which proves me right, anon. Buutenks >>>Gohan >>>>>>>> Super Buu / Fat Buu / Kid Buu.
I can't believe you need a japanese children's comic book explained to you because the plot's too complex for you to follow.
>Going to ask your teacher on a small island how to perform a sealing technique when the entire Earth could be blown up at any moment if you're not fighting.
How retarded are you?
No, most people hate it because the writing is atrociously bad even for DB standards. I'm sorry that you gulp down trash products like a fucking retard, but not all of us are as easily pleased as a two year old.
>Which proves me right, anon
Except this wasn't your original argument. Good job, now kill yourself, my man.
Your argument falls apart considering SS3 Goku decided to play around with Buu instead of finishing him immediately. Too bad you're too fucking stupid to argue about the retarded things that go on in your head, anon. It must suck to be you.
So does Tien. Should've at least had them try to fucking use it but by this point Dragon Ball was all about power levels and bigger ki blasts.
Goku only went SSJ3 during his STALLING fight in order to show the others that SSJ3 exists and is possible. If you're going to be a fuckwit and say I'm wrong, post proof in the manga. Otherwise, kindly kill yourself.
Easily pleased I am not
And keep acting high and mighty reflects on you and your hatred of fun
the fun elements of buu saga and introduction of higher hierarchies trump everything else
It's better than Super god damn you it'S BETTER THAN SUPER
People just randomly spout exposition in this. To complete strangers, they just detail their entire life to them
Any time I see someone who says they don't like part of Dragon Ball, I assume they just don't remember it very well.
>gohan fought an intergalactic tyrant on another planet when he was 5 years old
I used to think this art was amazing and now it looks meh to me. I wonder why
>fat buu is good because he absorved a good fat guy
>they ask to Shen Long to return good buu
>he returns him and the fat guy still in his belly
>good fat guy will always be in buu stomach
anon posted proof, even though you're the one who said
>the manga contradicts your headcanon
Now you're flustered with autism, holding onto your headcanon instead of just admitting you're wrong.
Kind of. I think he's mostly just puffing himself up for Vegeta.
Of course, immediately after we see that Goku underestimated Buu and overestimated how long he could maintain Super Saiyan 3.
Yes I agree, although wouldn't Dead SSJ3 Goku still be above Fat Buu if he was to trade his time for power?
We all know once he was rezzed and had a real body the stamina drain was hard to keep up for him showcased later on here but...
Depends on how fast his time would drain. The fight would probably be decently long. I could see SSJ3 Goku being above Buu but being unable to beat him before running out of stamina due to the regeneration.
It seems that even if you're dead, Super Saiyan 3 is still exhausting to use in the world of the living.
>It seems that even if you're dead, Super Saiyan 3 is still exhausting to use in the world of the living.
I agree, it's just that I'm trying to retroactively fit in Goku's line he states later on.
Yeah, in the manga Namekians only have four fingers.
Piccolo can use his demonic powers to grow an extra finger whenever he needs to tell someone they're going to die in 5 seconds.
Goku didn't go all out on Fat Buu. He just stalled for Trunks. If he had went all out, he could have one shotted him with a Kamehameha.
However, this wouldn't have worked, because Goku would have ran out of time and energy. Goku didn't know how crippling SSJ3 was, because it was untested.
What are the odds of the Trio de Dangers getting knocked out offscreen in the actual tournament?
I think Goku underestimated Buu's regenerative ability. Even Gotrunks who was stronger couldn't manage to do it. Only Gohan and Vegeto were able to kill him without the genkidama it seems.
Yeah even retrofitting his line from Kid Buu's fight I think the regeneration of Buu still favors over a full powered undead SSJ3 Kamehameha.
I guess we will never know, he could have been wiped clean or turned into vapor like with Gotenks.
Gotenks probably had enough power to beat Buu, he was just too stupid and Buu was too tricky.
The thing is, Buu's regeneration wouldn't have even been a factor, it'd never have gotten that far. Look how much time was eaten from Goku playing around with Buu at a lower level of SSJ3 power. He only had an hour or 2 left after the fight
To hurt Buu, he'd have to power up. If he powered up any more, all his time would be gone. He'd run out of time and would return to the afterlife in the middle of a Kamehameha charge
I wasn't having any fun in the first place
you just got BTFO
This is some next level shitposting.
TAKE YOUR DAILY DOSE!!!
STOP FORGETTING IT YOU ARE GETTING OLD
No, you're getting old and forgetting your heritage! I will have you know I am the prince of all Saiya-Jins!
Wait why did Vegeta say no? It looked like having Gohan and Gotenks there would have been way more effective than the spirit bomb. My only guess is that he was afraid they'd job again and get absorbed.
Anyone else actually like how Buu wasn't actually all that strong? He gets beat up by everyone, but manages to find a way to win. He's like the reverse villain in DBZ. Raditz, Vegeta, Cell, Freeza, etc, they needed to train and get stronger. For Buu? They had the tools, but fuck up constantly
I really have no idea what people who say the Buu Saga was all about power levels are talking about. Buu had more crazy powers than every other character combined.
The best thing about Buu is that as such a late villain, he was up against an incredibly overpowered cast of characters. But he as able to overcome every single trick they had with a trick of his own, and it was believable.
a fanmade manga that has far better writting and art than the shitty Super anime and its multi universe tournament was also far better than the "official" super anime.
Super is shit, this is at least somewhat entertaining.
Also, didn't Goku say he didn't defeat Buu as SSJ3 because he wanted the people who were alive to be able to handle things without him? It would be out of character if he suddenly gave up and wanted to seal the enemy instead of finding a way to defeat it.
I'm in love with full color version of the manga but how they fucked so hard Goku's epilogue clothes?
It's especially annoying because they use a better palette for colored version of Neko Majin Z.
Is still inaccurate but really close to the right one (pic related)
didn't really read what you said and I don't want to come up with shit comebacks like you
From now we will regurgitate what shit you spewed out
>why are you pretending to be someone else?
why are you so wrong about this again?
Yeah that's the same palette they use for Neko Majin Z but Toriyama change colors every minute. Those orange pieces are originally supposed to be red and Tori even changed Goku first gi to match with the last one (and he use red instead orange)
Because you were supposed to get killed when you used it until Super came in and changed all the rules.
Also, it wouldn't have been very exciting if they immediately just jammed him in a jar, so they didn't do it.
Is that last picture colored by Toriyama? In the Kanzenban it has the limited pallet.
Why is Karin brown?
Is being in the DBZ fandom supposed to be a huge fucking headache? If it's not people going on THAT'S TOEI CANNON, FUCK YOU, NOT TORIYAMA'S VISION, GET FUCKED or some other stupid bullshit, people will literally pull excuses right out of their assholes for dumb shit that can be explained with "they forgot!" or "they didn't do it, because it would immediately resolve the plot!"
Worst still, is that some of these fan theories get passed off as fact, and fuck you if you don't agree.
I'm thinking of jumping ship to Naruto at this point. It can't be this bad.
Naruto is annoying don't do it. Just remember the manga is always better for Dragonball, however super manga or anime is up to you.
>Is that last picture colored by Toriyama?
I think so but I don't remember.
>Why is Karin brown?
Do you remember that "Toriyama change the colors every minute" thing? That's what he actually do with Karin's colors. There's even a yellow and a blue one (also a blue one with white snout because who knows)
>Why didn't they use the mafuba?
Piccolo actually used it on Super Buu in his what if story in Supersonic Warriors.
Toriyama does character reveal designs for Super's new arcs like this. This is what we call Toriyama's latest style.
After chapter 1 Toriyama's colors were always consistent. Karin is blue on the only color pages he appears on.
>Lorax is called "Toppo" from "pot"
>Ayy is called "Jiren" from "range"
>Pride Troopers names come from items used to cook up vegetables because they will tear the saiyans apart
I think this is as tan as Goku ever got.
Because Toriyama's memory is shit but if he remembers he use dark skin for Goku
There's something about the way Toyotaro draws Goku and Black's hair that rubs me off the wrong way.
>The only reason people think Kid Buu is stronger than super buu is because of a dub line
No really you should go back and do some actual reading. Or even watch the sub of the anime. You'll learn a few things
Why didn't Zamasu join the Pride Troopers?
Nah, the fact that he absorbed personalities and brains, not just powers, made him better than at least cell. I always get chills when Super Buu recognized Satan the first couple of times, particularly because it caused him to lay down his hand before making a killer blow.
What the fuck happened to Ox king? He looks like a gay biker.
>Why didn't Zamasu join the Ningen Troopers?
>Goku got btfo'd
Because he can't use SS3 at full power since he's not dead anymore you literal retard. SS3 Goku at full power can defeat kid Buu, Gotenks can defeat Buu, Gohan can defeat Buu, those things were established by the characters, doesn't matter how much you ignore it
why aren't they using this little plot device anymore
These tanned aliens are fucking every women on Earth so what's your excuse for being a cuck
Except Old Kai specifically refers to him as the most troublesome incarnation which is later expanded upon in Daizenshuu 2: Story Guide which refers to him as the "strongest enemy in the universe".
How is that tan?
They look white as fuck.
Fat Buu wasn't really evil.
Can't talk about the other three iterations.
This would be better if he actually covered tai lopez' arm and if that gap was filled in someone fix it please.
troublesome =/= powerful
They can distract or argue with super Buu but kid is just an animal, of course is more problematic just see how he destroyed Earth. Super Buu would enjoy kill Goku and Vegeta before destroy shit.
Do you think Beerus is stronger than the Grand Priest because he's more problematic?
Do you know that only Daizenshuu 7 was aprobbed by Toriyama, anon?
If the evil containment wave were to work on Buu, the embodiment of evil at the time, then it would have worked on any of the past villains.
Saiyans? Use the evil containment wave.
Frieza and his men? Use the evil containment wave.
Androids? Use the evil containment wave.
Cell? Use the evil containment wave.
Evil containment wave would have been a quick fix for any of their problems.
What will it take to get people to stop believing this nonsense?
Well, we are talking about Toei version of DBS so...
>Trunks goes from SSJ2 level to SSB level by getting really angry
I know Super has bad writing. I'm talking about Z, not shitty Toei fanfiction.
Can someone explain to me why there's two threads?
>Supersonic Warriors on the GBA
>Piccolo has to step up and become the Guardian of Earth
>fuses with Nail on Namek
>fuses with Kami on Earth
>defeats Cell with Gohan
>Buu comes around
>Piccolo uses the Dragon Balls to wish back King Piccolo
>defeats him and fuses with him
>is strong enough to fight Super Buu but can't beat him
>uses the Mafuba to seal him away
I kinda wish we got this instead of the actual Buu Arc which was just a bunch of pointless transformations and power-ups.
Toriyama is a hack and forgot about it. The only reason they even brought it back is because Toyo has too much say in what happens. Chances are, Toriyama doesn't actually do anything plotwise with Super and just designs shit.
Ningen, please. It's basic understanding.
Buuhan > Buutenks > Buucolo > Super Buu > Fat Buu >= Kid Buu > Evil Buu > Good Buu
Vegeto > Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Vegeta > Untrained Gohan
They actually win. How else are they gonna asspull u10 existing in the future or the end of dbz? Super Dragon Balls ain't gonna do shit if Zeno doesn't have a promise to keep of not destroying shit.
>Goku power level at Namek is 3.000.000
>Goku power after return to Earth is higher
>three years later he's even stronger
>but Vegeta was even stronger
>then Vegeta trains in RoSaT
>Goku trains too and becomes about twice stronger (how much? 8.000.000 already?)
>Goku at Buu saga is even stronger
>his SS3 form should be above 3,300,000,000
>SS Gotenks is even stronger
>then this little motherfucker trains in RoSaT
>goes SS3, above 27.000.000.000 or something?
>Ultimate Gohan is even stronger
>Super Buu (at least above SS2 Gotenks tier/6.750.000.000) absorbs Gohan and goes above 33.750.000.000
>SS Vegetto is stronger
>SS3 Vegetto would be above 270,000,000,000 then
>SSG Goku is stronger
not surprising, though
He seemed to have affected the entire multiverse, and could still shoot death beams so I guess Goku couldn't have destroyed 12 at the same time and/or Zamasu could still defend.
>think about how powerful characters are for 5 minutes is being a powerlevelfag
>no proof of Goku stronger than Vegetto
Read the manga.
>let alone SS Gotenks being stronger than Goku
Read the (previous) manga.
The beauty of the dragon balls making you younger, start life over and finding the right one you love. Quite fascinating isn't it?
He's fucking boring.
He's litterally there to fight and lose to goku and that's it.
After they fucked it all up with Hiit, and made Broly into a chick..you know...FER LAFFS!!! absolutely fucking no one has any real hope for anything.
We already know what's going to happen, and there's a 99.9% chance that it's going to be stupid and lead to a poorly choreographed fight.
The problem with power levels is that SS1 is such a massive jump x50, and you know Tori has got to regret that since SS2 and SS3 are only x2 and x4.
And that people assume that that power numerical PL is a direct 1:1 correlation to actual ability.
Like would a person with a PL of 2 really be double ever physical stat of someone with a PL of 1?
Hell consider that a 4k PL difference got Nappa absolutely raped by Goku, but a several million gap between Goku and Frieza had Frieza hold his own despite still clearly losing.
It's cumlative to be honest.
The difference between 5 pounds and 200 pounds is huge.
But the difference between 100000 pounds and 140000 is not that great at all.
And if you are going by skill level? Yeah, skill with a moderately lower powerlevel can easily bridge the gap. Goku was a weakling compared to Vegetta during the Saiyan saga.
Goku was simply a much better fighter and had back up.
As for SSJ levels? Yeah. Toriyama outright states that he wishes that the power levels were only x10 rather then 50. Oh and SSJ2 is x200 and SSJ3 x400.
I honestly would be happy if he retconned the whole thing so each new transformation gives diminishing returns (i.e SSJ x20, SSJ2 x15, SSJ3 X5, etc. SSJB can be a single multiplier of whatever it is now).
It multiplies the fucking base form. It doesn't multiply anything else.
Why in the shit would the new forms be WEAKER?
Are you saying they should multiply the base of the SSJ form?
If that's the case, what you're suggesting is quite litterally mindbogglingly insane leaps of power.
If you think that strength is everything then you don't know anything about fighting.
Yeah, and it practically crippled him and lead to him DYING from heart failure years later.
And Vegeta had a technique that slapped his shit retarded. You know, the great ape transformation?
The one Gohan ultimately had to use to defeat Vegetta?
Goku barely survived that battle.
Yeah, overwhelming strength makes all techniques completely useless, however if they are within the realm of each other or have certain kinds of techniques they can take down damn near anyone.
>SS Gotenks is about base Goku x400
>Super Buu is above base SS2 Gotenks = Goku x 800
>SS3 Gotenks and ultimate Gohan is about base Goku x 3200
>Super Buu + Gohan is about Goku base x 4000
>SS3 Vegetto is above Goku base x 32000
My new headcanon is that SSB multiplier is base x 50,000 (so 1000 times stronger than SS) and fuck you if you don't like it
Aren't SS2 and 3, a x2 and x4 on top of the previous levels meaning a total of
x50, x100, x400 per level?
No its fine if it's lower levels of power.
Consider that SS3 despite being a 400x multiplier is in effect only 8x higher than SS1, and like 4x that of SS2.
At low multipliers it's fine.
SS1: x10 = 1000
SS2: x5 = 5000 (effective x50)
SS3 x2 = 10000 (effective x100)
It's a reasonable level.
Honestly had Tori made Kaioken x10 the max (or even lower) then made SSx20 it would make it all the more reasonable.
Yes but the stuff like Kaioken and SS multipliers just make you stronger and faster they don't give you new techniques or make you smarter.
>Take a break after Trunks arc
>Worry exhibition tourney would be throaway
>Furries always one dimensional jobbers in DB
>New art director
>U9 best universe
Holy shit I am having fun with DBS for the first time ever. Opening started the hype. U9 Exhibition sealed it. Can't wait for Lorax.
Kaioken completely raped his entire body. Every single muscle organs even bones were destroyed from use of it.
His heart was weakened as well. Goku has never not once ever been seriously sick, and a heart virus all of a sudden takes him out? The Kaioken he had to use as a last desperate gambit against Vegeta weakened his heart and made him susceptible to the heart virus.
Veggeto should be higher.
SS3 is a x400 boost, and if we're gonna use guide books (or even just common sense of what's seen on panel) Vegetto is about as strong as SS3 Goku. Him going SS3 would 160,000x.
Keep in mind that then SSG is less than 10% of SSB, but is supposedly above SS3 Vegetto.
So SSB is over x1mil.
Fuck looking it at it mathematically is such a fuck joke.
No SSJ2 is 200 ssJ3 is 400.
That's how it works.
SSJ2 isn't a double of SSJ2, it's a quadriple power boost.
No I still think it's okay like it is. You can lower the base multiplier all you want, but that honestly means fuck all.
We aren't actually discussing the most important thing after all. The way this power is actually realized in the comic itself.
Bitching about the actual numbers used to conceptualize it is nothing more then mathmatical masturbation that amounts to absolutely fucking nothing.
What I think Tori is REALLY upset about aren't the numbers. It's the fact that Frieza blew up a planet. That's where shit went straight up fucking bananas. Where it became the DB we all know and love but became a monster that Tori racked his brains year after year over. A monster that he desperately tried and skillfully maneuvered around a cage called the DB story.
The problem with super is that, they fucking suck. They don't understand nor really care about what it takes maneuver this huge lumbering beast around and have just thrown a bunch of ridiculous nonsense into it that just fucks it all up.
No no no.
Multipliers are a 100% standard across the board for everyone no matter what powerlevel they start at.
Everyone gets the same 50/200/400 power level boost with the SSJ1/2/3 forms.
No amount of training will change that one single bullet proof fact. This is basically what everyone did during the Cell saga. Trained their asses off too boost their base power levels AND tried to create new SSJ1 forms to overcome the hard x50 limit.
His heart was already damaged from the fight.
You see, the senzu bean re-energizes the body and makes the body instantly heal up in a natural way.
If it simply reverted all changes created by battles or getting hurt then senzu beans would NEGATE the Zenkai boosts and in fact make all training and posittive adaptations from battles pointless.
It healed him up re-energized him and fixed his wounds. Even left him a bit stronger, but the damage to his heart was seen as something that wasn't really bad. He died from what the kaioken did to him.
It was a death brought on by extensive use of a powerful technique that only the gods could use, but a natural death nonetheless.
You are wrong.
They train in their base forms. Rarely in their transformed states.
Base form becoming stronger = stronger transformed states. No amount of training in your transformed state will create a more powerful transformed state overall.
Then why in the fuck did the alien virus infect him in the first place if it doesn't seek out new hosts?
A virus that does not spread itself around. that's not a fucking virus.
That's just a lazy fucking parasite. What? Did Goku have heartworms or something?
Here's another PL inconsistency or more of a GodKi inconsistency.
How come the Kai are so weak relatively speaking?
God ki is a boost so absolutely massive it shits on SS3 so why do Kai who only have godki end up so weak?
Leave Hit's donut virginity to me.
you know Goku's virus was not alien at all right guys?
As I recall anime said it was a virus from Yadrat (Namek maybe?) but wasn't in the manga. The virus is clearly earthling since the humanity investigated it and created a cure.
The Supreme Kai are stated to be like 1,000 times stronger then frieza, you know, the dude who was considered the strongest being the the unvierse besides Buu and Beerus, to the point no one dared challenge him.
He is strong.
He's just a weakling compared to the mutants and monsters from earth and in the universe.
He wasn't even the strongest kai. He was a weak barely pubescent tween compared to the rest of them.
No you're reading it wrong. x160,000 as in SS3 Veggto compared to base Goku.
ie assuming Veggeto is around SS3 level of 400x base Goku. Therefore adding x400 onto himself would effectively make him 160,000 stronger than Goku.
The form multiplier is still 400 but for a comparative scale SS3 Vegetto is 160,000 times stronger than base Goku.
>No amount of training in your transformed state will create a more powerful transformed state overall.
I think you're forgetting an important part of the story.
Kaioken are fucking strong.
At least stronger than frieza who ruled the galaxy or universe or whatever.
They can fight on par with Buu. A fucking cosmic horror being.
Id guess the kaioshin are somewhere near as strong as Perfect Cell or so
It's hard to believe anyone outside the GoD/angel ranks use god ki, considering what a boost it gives.
If Kaioshin used god ki like their GoD counterparts, even a fledgling like U7's wouldn't run away from Babidi and Dabra like a bitch.
The SSJ1 state did not go up one single solitary extra multiplicative point.
They only got stronger.
Something they could have done by training in their base form.
That's not true on any fucking level. At, all, period.
Basically all training is done in their base form.
>Basically all training is done in their base form.
>Supreme Kai was much weaker than Dabura
who was a little weaker than Perfect Cell
>They can fight on par with Buu
>He didn't even manage to tickle Buu while getting absolutely BTFO
Only the Fat Kai and the Android 16 Kai were Stronger than Cell, the rest were clowns.
the Kai are shocked at any measure of power from a mortal becuase they don't think a mortal could get that powerful, not because SS2 was stronger then he was.
Look as fucking Gowasu, he was in awe of Ss1 goku, calling him on the level of like Beerus.
And ALL the gods and kai were shitting themselves after Goku went blue, despite the fact all the gods of destruction are stronger then SSB Goku.
Why not? Even SSG Raditz would not defeat Freeza so why Shin (with his own god ki) should be necessarily stronger than Dabura?
Also they mentioned that Kaioshin's ki can't be used to resurrect Buu, didn't they? That means Kaioshin's ki is special
>Id guess the kaioshin are somewhere near as strong as Perfect Cell or so
>only 2 were stronger than cell the others were a bit weaker than cell
Btw i said perfect cell not super perfect cell
Dude, are you going to continue to cherry pick pictures or vids of when they occasionally go SSJ while training to say that ALL TRAINING IS DONE IN SSJ PERIOD NO MATTER WHAT or are you just going to sit down and stop embarassing yourself.
Because it's a thing. They rarely if ever train in their SSJ forms. It's mostly base form.
No, real talk. Go back and look at all of their training sessions. All of them.
>They said the opposite, though
If you think Dabura is stronger than Zenkai Super Perfect Cell or even base Perfect Cell when he struggled with weakened Gohan who couldn't even go max power SSJ2 you're straight up retarded.
>Basically all training is done in their base form.
The guidebook that says that SS3 is x400 is also the same one that says Vegetto is "400 times stronger than Goku"
You're right there is no guide book that outright states it but isn't that a logical assumption?
The guidebook that says that SS3 is x400 is also the same one that says Vegetto is "400 times stronger than Goku"
Do you mean Daizenshu 7? You're right, then.
I still don't see actual source but whatever
Why didn't Bergamo just grow bigger after taking Goku's kamehameha?
Well Supressed Cell fought Goku at the beginning of the tournament with like 75% of his power. Cell's power shifted so radically when Gohan and Goku fought that you cant really guage what Goku was talking about and it's pretty clear that Gohan was slacking and couldn't go full power SS2 against Dabura. Dab is just weaker than Perfect Cell.