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Is this the future of anime?

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Is this the future of anime?
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>>154372064
Holy shit I'd rather kill myself than watch this.
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Precure's always played around with CG. It's just the next step to make a full series with it.
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Precure saving anime yet again
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>>154372064
>All their other movies and even the latest crossover looks amazing. Almost indistinguishable from 2D

>They shit this out.

Is this hell?
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I'd be fine with CGI "animation" if it didn't look like garbage. This stuff belongs in /tv/ shows for infants and toddlers, and nowhere else. Keep it out of my sight until it looks good.
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>>154372333
That part was cute, too bad she didn't gokigenyou.
I miss Haruharu.
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did it sell better than other precure movies?
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>>154373143
Mofurun sells.
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>>154372333
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I wouldn't mind it as long as it's done well. Plus, it'll continue getting better as we advance through the ages.
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>>154372333
What the fuck is this shit?
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>>154374871
anime
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>>154372064
Yes but it's far from perfect.
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All the people who hated this special are just edgy contrarians, it was objectively cute and looked really good considering it didn't have a western-style 900 million dollar budget. Mofurun's fur looked really nice.
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3D is the future.
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>>154374871
The death of 2D animation
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>>154372064

EMBRACE
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>>154372333
we should have had cg like this years ago
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>>154378189
last year's movie had cg too.
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>>154372064
The day anime is all CGI is the day I drop anime
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>>154379291
I don't understand why people hate CGI so much. it looks fine. Even beautiful in some cases.
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>>154379321
CGI belongs in video games.
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>>154379547
no it doesn't. it was in film long before it was in video games. even if it was, that's just a reactionary sentiment hating on techniques because they're new.
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>>154379621
>no it doesn't. it was in film

Irrelevant, anime isn't film. The second CGI told over animation in the west, they stopped making animation for anyone older than 12.
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>>154372333
>>154372064

Bout time Berserk got a good CGI upgrade for S2.
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>>154379736
>anime isn't film
I don't think you understand what film is. it's not just live action, animation counts as well. there were CG animations as early as the late 70s.
>The second CGI told over animation in the west, they stopped making animation for anyone older than 12.
1) Implying the west ever had a culture of making animation for adults in the first place (there are a few here and there, but it's clear that the west always saw animation as kids stuff at least since the 50s)
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
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>>154379940
>I don't think you understand what film is. it's not just live action, animation counts as well.

Oh, you're just retarded.
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>>154379547
>Xenosaga
>literally should have been an anime
>except video games are cheaper and nobody gives a shit if you use CG in a video game
A Xenosaga all cutscenes video is 8 fucking hours, and that's for the FIRST GAME. OUT OF THREE. AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SIX.
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>>154380006
>if I mock my opponent, that means I'm right!
I'm right, dumbass. Have you literally never heard the term "animated film"?
Also
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/film
Notice how the above definition doesn't specify or require the use of a movie camera to be considered a film?
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Before
>3DPD

2017
>I LOVE THIS IT'S OKAY WHEN JAPAN DOES IT GIRUGAMESH
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>>154380216
>/a/ is one person with one opinion
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>>154380212
Film is film because the picture is recorded on film, retard.
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>>154372064
3DCG is not anime, so no, it's not the future of anime.
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>>154380287
that's the history of the term, yes, but the thing about language is that it -shocker- changes with time! kind of like how "new" york isn't new and and US states are called states even though they're actually provinces. It's not like I pulled that definition out of my ass, it's written in the dictionary and in common usage.
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>>154380321
anime is animation made in japan. this is animation. this is made in japan. therefore it's anime.
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>>154372064
What is this? Precure had nice CG ED before but this is horrifying.
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>>154380487
>muh words change meaning argument

With that logic, "literally" is now synonymous with "figuratively." Just accept that anime is animation not film and CGI movies definitely aren't film.
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>>154380592
it's one frame taken out of context because OP wanted it to look bad. if you think judging the quality of animation from still frames is in any way fair, you don't get animation at all.
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>>154380487
In US English "state" connotes a subnational unit in a federal system while "province" connotes a subnational unit in a unitary system (think "provincial"). Which I think is actually more conservative than the Canadian usage, where provinces are like states
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>>154372064
cancer
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>>154380662
>"literally" is now synonymous with "figuratively."
well, yes, it kind of is. that's how language works. it's not some objective, static, unchanging thing that lies outside of people waiting to be discovered. language and meaning is defined by how they're used by the people using them. Also, you still are avoiding the obvious fact that the definition of film as including animation is a completely accepted and acceptable usage with recognition.
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>>154372064
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>>154380797
proving my point. if you were hold exactly to definitions as they were originally defined, "state" literally means an independent country with its own ruler. it isn't limited to that usage in US english because the meaning of the term has changed over time, probably to reflect the changing meaning of what being a state meant in the context of the USA.
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This >>154372333 is more appealing to look at than this >>154375166

>make a fully 3D project
>limit the framerate
Fucking stupid
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>>154379877
It's just the eyes that are bugging me.
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>>154380723
More than animation it is a terrible design
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>>154381046
I think "state" as a semi-sovereign unit in a federal system originated in the United States but is now more common. Australia, Mexico, India, others use state or a word with the same etymology in the American way
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>he still watches precure after gopri
yikes
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>>154372064
I mean, Disney keeps making money.
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>>154381322
>gopricks
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cel shading is the future, France already do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHXf7wEpBPI


japs are just getting good at it
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You are a little bit off the mark m80
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>>154379877
Is this a "she sees your dick" thread?
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>>154381023
>/a/'s desperate acceptance of the long time coming cgi take over.gif
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>>154382286
This.
Guilty Gear Xrd has done an insane job at it, I'm surprised no one is picking up.
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>>154379321
>in some cases

Key point here. Most anime cgi still looks like this.

https://a.pomf.cat/rgtmbc.webm
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>>154381322
It's okay now, anon. Maho is over. The dark times are behind us.
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>>154382789

japs are slow when they have to implement something new. but when the do it, oh boy, they become better than their peers in other countries.
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>>154379877

>that finger
>those repeating digits

It's almost as if she planned it.
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>>154380914
People like this exist
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>>154376372
no please no.

its bad enough disney refuses to make anything 2d again. not the japs too.
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>>154372064
>watching shows made for literally 6yo girls
you are worse that ponyfags
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>>154372333
Looks nice to me, infnitely better than those animations with limited frame.

Are there any examples of stuffs that have this level of animation and framerate while doing the whole "fake 2d" look?
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>>154385406
I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uw3LyiRDkY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ccr6L8Zhu8
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>>154383675
Picked the fuck up.
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>>154386675
>we want the Bee Movie audience
wise marketing move there
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>>154383675
No, they are just beginning.

>>154386782
That movie is like 10 years old, though.
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Japan needs to do more CG to get better at it. They mostly suck.
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>>154372064
Better than Berserk(2016)
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>>154382789
Xrd char models looks like trash. Japs have done better than that before it.
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>>154382286
If that is the future i'll keep living in the past.
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>>154387015
They actually are the best at it. They just rarely have a worthwhile budget.
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>>154387647
Just no.
The best is clearly the west.
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>>154372064
Hopefully, then all you miserable bastards will get the message that anime is for CHILDREN and do something with your lives.
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>>154372333
Still better CG than most anime that try it.
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>>154387647
I rarely see Japan use CGI properly while the West produces good-looking CG animation on a regular basis.
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>>154372064
I am reminded of Miraculous Ladybug
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>>154375166
That's kinda cool
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Meanwhile, in America.
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>>154390862
>I rarely see Japan use CGI properly
Look at videogames. Anime CG just often goes for a limited framerate thing in order to mimic anime's traditional limited drawn frames which is just stupid.
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>>154391259
WE
ON
A
JET
PLANE
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>>154381146
retard
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>>154392182
Why are they so happy?
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>>154372064
I downloaded and watched it at 1080p with SVP. The scenes with the bear were terrifying. I think I'm going to have nightmares.
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>>154372064
What the fuck is that thing, and how do I kill it?
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>>154379938
>this shit looks better than berserk 2016
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>>154372064
>>154372333
Those are terrifying as fuck and give me nightmares.
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>>154391950
He is not wrong: >>154381146
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>>154372064
Thats fucking terrifying
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>>154383558
They had characters civilianing and moving without any motion...
How the fuck can those 'people' live with themselves?
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When they tried to do a movie totally CGI.
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Someone post that Bukkakeshitty Actors cgi webm
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>>154391259
Literally the best song ever produced enhanced by incredible cg.
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>>154392688
The GoPri CG movie was just a short, but yeah holy crap, my kingdom for a framerate.

The new Dream Stars movie appears to be a full-length total CG affair, with 'flatter' CG used a lot, so it doesn't look totally retarded.
But still, frames please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlgYzsCdjkc
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>>154393062
>>154391259
Link?
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>>154379877
Is this the new age of toddlercon (body)?
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>>154393297
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNishT6hJJOuS5U-do809cyBy17PoXYMo

See if you can spot the ones edited from the original EDs and which ones are Netflix original.
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>>154393564
Japan
>"Itsudatte wakuwaku dokidoki purikyua!"
>fist pumps and happy bouncing
America
>"All my ladies round the club yeah we do it big"
>twerking and whoring

Please explain.
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>>154372814
>shows for infants and toddlers
That is what anime is.
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>>154393883
As a person with no issue with dubbing... why have we not moved beyond the needless fucking Americanization of shows? Why are we still at the point where a thing like Glitter Force is allowed to exist? Why are we still at the point where we replace Japanese songs with cringy ass American songs that sound worse than even the shit you hear on the radio?
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>>154380525
>every fucking time someone says that garbage
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>>154380525
I mean technically anime is just animation.
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>>154394212
He's not wrong
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Toei's CG teams are leaps and bounds ahead of most other Japanese studios, but it takes them months to make just a few minutes of footage. It's not really feasible for a TV show.
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>>154380287
did you know that many films are in fact no longer recorded on film and actually shot entirely digitally?
did you know that before digital animation became feasible, all animation was also shot on film?
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>>154372333
Impressive, the japs only took 25 years to achieve Toy Story 1 tier CGI.
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>>154385646
> same level of sameframe
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>>154394190
>Why are we still at the point where a thing like Glitter Force is allowed to exist?
Because Saban refuses to fuck off.

>>154394858
In 1995 Japan there were probably only a handful of companies that had access to the kind of hardware that could make Toy Story, and certainly none of them were anime studios.

Regardless, the problem with Japanese CG isn't that they're not capable of good CG, it's that they only want to use it to make cheap imitations of 2D animation. Which is horribly misguided and a disservice to both forms of animation, but that's how it is.
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I still think they should do whatever this mmd video did, except clean up the edges a little

http://toukoucity.to/video/EH72XVjqN0/
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>>154372064
ok, we get it, these kinda suck, tho i liked the miniduel part.

lets wash the taste with some awesome bearloli:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2EX7_yGnv8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKdmDXapOsE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i-sUSQoRjs
3d is good
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>>154397696
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>>154392182
>>154392316
>they see your dick
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Fuck off, Precure has always had great CGI EDs and the haruharu and mirai shorts were cute for what they are.
>>154372814
>>154385210
It's a good thing we're all little girls here then.
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>>154392182

This looks like something they have on the TV at the Japanese supermarket I go to for lunch once in awhile.
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>>154398693
That level of excitement is a tad overboard. I'm afraid only disappointment awaits them.
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>>154399763
Where is this "japanese supermarket" you speak of?
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>>154400662

Mitsuwa. They're mostly in southern california. They mostly have shows designed for 4 year olds showing around the clock.
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>>154400777
>SoCal
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>>154400932
>wanting to live in this shitlib hellhole
at least the weather's nice
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>>154372064
God I really hope not
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>>154401253
>turns out they also have a location in Jersey
Yosh!
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>>154381120
>>154381158
Dammit those lips...
What should I do...
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>>154401253

Maybe we'd be a better state if we stopped letting 90% of red states sucking on our economic tit.
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>>154394190
To be fair, Glitter Force was hilariously bad. Maximum autism in line with the source material.
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>>154372064
It's always funny when you run into things that give you the extremely specific urge to unload a semiauto shotgun into them as quickly as possible.
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>not posting the superior CGI anime
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>>154398252
Is this supposed to be good or bad?
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>>154372064
THIS IS THE FUTURE YOU CHOSE
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>>154403386
It's good.
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>>154372333
this reminds me of Easter candy comercials for some reason.
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I wouldn't mind if they end up doing animations like the ones on Fire Emblem Awakening/Fates
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>>154372064
>>154372333
>>154379877
>>154380103
>>154381120
>>154381231
>>154386573
>>154386896
>>154392182
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>154375166
What is this?
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>>154381158
This makes it seem like a porn now.
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>>154372064
Can't be, everything's animated at the right framerate for CGI.
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>10 years from now traditional animation will only be used sporadically in special art projects
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>>154405897
>ywn see hentai animated this well
fml
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>>154391259
For comparison: the japanese version.
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>>154398252
I think this is the best scene from the CG part.
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>>154381146
>>>/v/ if you want video game cutscenes
>>>/co/ if you want pixar movies
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>>154403381
gdgd Fairies is unironically good, as is Tesagure and Kemono Friends.
>>>/wsg/1582232
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>>154390862
>>154395295
Game studios and a few movie productions (gantz and kingsglaive being the most recent examples) already make photorealistic CGI.
Pixar makes... well, those horribly mis-proportioned, fuzzy, semi-shaded abominations that is known as pixar style. Do we really need more of that? I don't think so.

That "fake 2D" style is another niche that needs to be filled unless you want anime as we know it to just die. If execs are pushing for CGI to reduce costs then I'd like them to treat it as just another brush to paint with and continue to make the style that we're used to. Anime studios don't have much money, so innovation is slow. But they're getting there.
It was the same issue with the transition from cel to digital. It sucked initially, especially in low-budget shows, but they got better over the last two decades.
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>>154404922
making of for an ad for a unversity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB9C3FHotLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGZAwulxWUo
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>>154408012
ZKAI!!!!!!!!!!! was better
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>>154383983
This phenomena intrigues me.
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>>154407799
Tesabu and Kemofure are two of most creative anime in recent years
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0skQA6Cz5cs

It's been 20 years and this still hasn't been topped.
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>>154393147
Did they give up on the all stars format?
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>>154372064
Relevant.
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>>154372064
No it's the present.
See Kemono friends.
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>>154409023
no-budget shows aren't representative of anything. they'll suck no matter what.
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>>154405897
It's the only thing she's good for, after all.
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It's inevitable
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>>154412459
>kemono is a huge success and is CGI
>precure will be full CGI
The future is dark.
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>>154412459
>Precure newspaper

How do I get this delivered to my basement?
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>>154410514
IMAAAAGIIIIIIIINNNEEEEE
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>>154412594
No, the future is cute.
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>>154412818
that looks like a toy commercial and not that cute
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>>154408137

autistic society, people get so good at something because they technically obsess with that.

the "asia level" meme is related to that.
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just check project etotama

the plot is shit but the cgi is extremely good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSZ5H79kMXI

3d (classic, claystyle, cel shading) is the future

>reusable assets
>"make once, use everywhere"
>consistent pipeline
>faster deployment
>can be improved with programming
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>>154372333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWi8rqL0hEs
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>>154412947
All good anime are toy commercials.
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>>154413035
>"make once, use everywhere"
that makes one-off uses, costume swaps, changing locations more expensive, not cheaper.

>consistent pipeline
it makes stretch and smear more difficult.
not to mention various non-euclidean aspects of anime anatomy which require a lot of adjustments to the models
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>>154412947
I mean, you're right about it being a toy commercial, pretty much. But you're wrong about it not being cute
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>>154413035
the shading of the background doesn't match the characters well in etotama
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>>154413035
I think model stretching techniques would go a long way to making the animation look more natural.
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>>154413585
Thanks for ruining my day, anon.
got any more? source?
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>>154372064
>is a goldenfish
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>>154407864
this model looks really unnatural, there should be more noise. Now it looks like a fish
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>>154372333
The bear looks nice and fluffy, everything looks really crispy and fluid, the shading is great; but the way they move is just jarring. I'd expect this kind of thing in a TV commercial for a cereal.

>>154403407
Jesus, what is wrong with people?

>>154407864
The cinematics in Warcraft were pretty fucking solid at the time, and even today, they look great.
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>>154372064
>>154372333

Her face is terrible, body proportions are worst that Looney Tunes cartoons and teeth are a white line.

People that made this should die.
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>>154392474
Kemono Friends looks better than Berserk 2016.
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>>154413035
>>154413585

Anime style dont fit in CGI, look >>154408199
her head is too big, neck a small cylinder and no textures in skin; etotama , tesagure and sidona only use CGI for comedic effects.

Compare CGI western are superior.
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>japs are just getting good at it
Japs made good cellshading for video game for about 10 years, now. It's a problem with budget and neglect, not skill.
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>>154414966
Berserk is bad, but at least Guts didn't clip through everything he touched.
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>>154415182
>Behind that car, her head probably turned into the shape of a dick and only the makers know about it.
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>>154408949
For once, I agree with Miyazaki on this one.
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>>154415182
Sorry, but the clipping was there.
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>>154372333
>>154372064

Remember when in Love live and Aikatsu switch to CGI in dance scenes and look terrible?
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>future of anime
Who the fuck knows. Even west haven't completely killed 2D frame-by-frame animation in their cartoons and they did quite a good job at killing it in the movies. (Even though quite a good chunk of 2D cartoons are shitty Flash-like 2D puppeteering nowadays.)

What I don't get is why people insist on replacing 2D with 3D. They are vastly different craft with very different results. The aim of the traditional 2D animation is to make the drawings move. 3D animation is a bit like a more complex virtual puppeteering. It's just a different thing. 3D isn't evolution of 2D animation.

3D animation that is trying to look like a 2D is a bit harder to discuss. The only reason to try to make 3D look 2D is to make the production more cost-effective. (Unless we talk about video games where you also need interactive environment.) The thing is 2D isn't precise craft and a lot of animation styles warp and exaggerate drawings while still being imprecise. Not to mention a lot of stylized art-styles have a flat aspect to it. Trying to emulate these imperfections in 3D usually means more work for the animators and modelers. This usually means that the animator has to tweak the animation almost on the frame-by-frame basis, warping models around or switching models (for the different kind of fucked up versions). The results are never a perfect mimicry of the 2D and you are sacrificing a lot of flexibility that 3D naturaly provides. That's also partialy why when 3D is used to cut the costs it usually looks like a turd. To perfectly mimic 2D in 3D is near impossible with unjustifiable additional costs to the point it is often just cheaper to draw it. So the 2D-like 3D productions are usually just "anime" styled 3D.

Also, majority of the anime fans don't actually give a shit about the animation itself. People rather watch it for the themes and clichés that are more typical for the anime than the other mediums.
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>>154415679
Me remember, unga boonga.
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>>154372064

3D Humans always look bad, Pixar just ignore humans and make movies about talking toys and cars with eyes in the windshield.

Outside of videogames hiper-realist humans not are profitable.
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Feels like watching one of those shitty Barbie movies.
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>>154415719
>Also, majority of the anime fans don't actually give a shit about the animation itself. People rather watch it for the themes and clichés that are more typical for the anime than the other mediums.
I don't know about that. 2D animation offers a comfiness that 3D animation doesn't. Maybe comfiness isn't the best word, but I feel like it would be enjoyable to get lost in many of the 2D words presented in various non video game media while for some reason I don't feel the same about the worlds presented in 3D animation.
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>>154413165
https://my.mixtape.moe/gxevel.webm
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