Fate would have been better if it stuck with this.
I can't fucking wait for Hollywood to be so creatively bankrupt that they make 7 movies about ancient heroes and then ala avengers do a Fate/Prototype movie starring each hero as a particular Servant.
>Why dont came with Brunhild.
Its White Day in Japan, which is males day. Which is why all the CE's and gatcha at the moment are male only.
I don't think too many of us are being ironic when we saw we've burned out on Arthuria years ago and something about her just feels shitty at this point. The only ones who typically rate her the highest are secondaries who have only seen the anime or something, or people that just vote for main heroine up top no matter what.
Whatever quality she had at one point has been eroded by endless clones and being kinda boring or badly written route in the first place. There's just a dozen clones that each fill a certain niche, and all of them make her feel like less of a character in the first place. Not that she really feels like much of one anyway lately.
Its like she's a character with cool shit around her, you want to see more of that stuff, but she herself is not that cool. She's got her moments, but also they've ruined it years ago and the more they try to shove her down our throats harder the more I can't like it anymore.
Male Arthur feels like his own thing at least, you can see in prototype he's not the same character. He's boring as well, but he's not burned out yet at least.
Sakura clones feel like vastly different characters, so its hard to associate them at all and they can't change anything about the original one in feeling. They' all have their own trait and feeling foremost. Even if they're silly, they are at least original characters in feeling.
Rin clones as well, they've got their own shit going on, they don't draw to the original entirely. You don't entirely associate them.
Arthuria clones feel like fuck ups, because its like "What if Arthuria, except if she appealed to this fetish instead. And was slightly different". they innately do associate with the original one each time. It feels like there's a few problems with them that impact upon the original or feel cheaper.
I can't wait for them to dd Strange Fake servants to the roosters.
>there's too much dialogue to translate so they'll never get around to it
Yet virtually the entire game has been translated independently.
I'm sure it's quite possible for some publisher to release an English version if they actually wanted to do so.
Just how Yen Press does it? Give it up, anon. Official works will always work at a snail's pace than fanworks becasue they have to put a lot of work in the things they do. To make a Gaijin mode not only would they have to translate the dialogue but also code the entire thing to be fir for it and that is more work than anyone is willing to put.
Is it really that bad to enjoy F/GO? Waifufaggotry aside a lot of this characters and concepts would never have seen the light of day if it weren't for the game giving Nasu free reign to give them life. They'd be kept away int he confines of his mind because there isn't enough Spin-off to give them a proper story.
King Hassan, Moriarty, Hessian Lobo, Solomon, I can't honestly see him using them in any other story without taking years upon years to complete it.
EMIYA (Alter) should have been like this instead of being black.
Yes, and he would have done a much better work in all those years, without any of the cancer GO brought about. It was actually a crime to waste perfectly good characters and ideas on a mobage that is largely a shitstain. Reconsider your priorities if you feel like defending it.
>claiming that Solomon and his plot was wasted in GO
Fuck you. He's the best male character in the entire franchise.
Gil is the second best, of course - but there's a sizeable gap between them
Read the VN, then watched the adaptations, then read Zero, then watched Zero, then read HA, then read SF (LN), then read SF (manga), then *read* all the text of GO; I've never played it. Don't give me shit about being a "GOfag".
In other words, your opinion on wether the character was wasted on the medium is 100% meaningless because you never even experienced the pile of trash of a game we're talking about, and only took the"good parts" out of it.
Why did you bother replying again?
>you ... only took the"good parts" out of it.
What part of "all the text" is so difficult to understand?
I have watched the game as well, if that is the answer you sought. These things were not concurrent, but that is inconsequential.
Watching a videogame is not playing it either.
And even if you consider it equivalent, if you have actually "watched" all of FGO, including all events and all of the trashcan-tier Servant designs and concepts, and still appreciate it and don't think it was a waste for some good characters to be mixed with that shit, then you are a bona-fide GOfag, which is exactly the point you were arguing against.
Sweet logic error nigger.
You created the logic error on your own by building a path which you insist must be my perspective.
The dichotomy is 'appreciate or not appreciate', not 'appreciate or dislike'. And there is no reason or need to find only one way to view the entire work as a unit, especially under the terms 'appreciate' and 'dislike'. I *acknowledge* all of Fate: Grand Order as a unit; any further word on the work understood as a whole is inane. I do not appreciate Grand Order's portrayal of a female Oda Nobunaga. Yet, I also find no egregious fault in the depiction of the Grand Time Temple chapter. I dislike Ishtar, yet I appreciate Babylonia-era Gilgamesh. I acknowledge the work.
I shall liken this to the original VN. I don't particularly care for mollusks. But I like Ea. I despise the cooking and school segments more than anything else that I have ever read. But I enjoy Cu's character. I acknowledge the work.
By my eyes, there is nothing wrong with something good existing alongside something bad. I do not find that it is a "waste" for the story of Solomon and Goetia to be told in Grand Order. I find that it is what happened and acknowledge it, instead of complaining about the unknowable.
Gawain, why are you cosplaying as your king?
>GBF, which has a metric shitton of text
I'm pretty sure FGO has surpassed GBF in word count by now. Maybe a few times over, even. There's a lot of text, and a lot of the text uses terminology and references that require knowledge of other TM works to fully grasp. It's a lot of work.
She wants to please uncle Moriarty, not crossdressing bullshit with Alters.
>tries to tell a serious story and mess with universe-level lore that other fans actually care about.
It seems to do a pretty good job at it, thought? The Goetia fight and the Babylon chapter where fucking good, and the fact that they've finally found their footing and made the battle system in each chapter different so that the boss fights don't feel too easy and samey makes them all the more fun.
>It's a gacha mobage primarily targeted to waifufags
I get why you'd think this but the roosters i pretty evenly split with 76 female servants, 81 male servants and three traps. The current event is geared towards a female audience too so it's not like the primary audience is all male otakus, and even if that were the case the story is good so it's not much of an issue. The original F/SN was an eroge so it's not like the intention of a work has any bearing of the story's quality.
Fucking hell man, when I say waifufagging you can include husbandofagging, fujos and everything else there. Pandering to those people and having a great part of the content in the game centered around that.
FSN was an eroge but the h-scenes were not proeminent in any way.
>Plain, "normal" self-insert girl
>Surrounded by nothing but handsome loyal adonises
>Main adonis is the typical shoujo prince
This'd be otaku pandering otomeshit and you know it.
>The "game" is still a waifu gacha mobage
The same way F/SN was just an eroge, why do you try to pretend it never was?
>Also the chapter has no new waifus but goes hard for the fujobux, big fucking difference.
If they wanted those fujobux they'd have advertized the chapter with the male protagonist instead of the female one, literally the only servant that could maybe be considered fujo bait is Shinjuku Assassin. The event right now is the fujo bait and it's not even related to the story.
my husbando>your husbando
I would hope that it will get some after Apo but it might not be any time soon considering that both Extra and Apocrypha are finished works whereas Narita already said he has a few volumes to be done.
Reminder that if you say "Nasu should have gone with Male Arthur" you are LITERALLY an idiot. By every account, from popularity polls to merchandise, to BD sales, to the spin-off animes, Takeuchi's idea to gender bend King Arthur was the smartest idea in the history of Type Moon
Eroge is nothing but a category.
Waifu gacha mobage represents the true intent of focus of the game, the reason for its low quality standarts, as well as a good part of its content.
Anon, you can try as much as you can to try and pretend eroge is anything other than eroge but the trut of the matte is that it's a porn game done with the intent to appease horny otakus, even if a story is good the sex scenes are there for a reason.
It's a focus of the events to get people to play the game, the main story has hardly any waifu faggotry.
>and a huge part of why a lot of its fanbase even plays it at all.
Are you somehow trying to imply that the thing that drew most people to F/SN wasn't waifu faggotry? Because the hundreds of millions of Arthuria merchandise might disagree with you.
This has always been a waifu franchise, anon, ever since the very first moment Takeuchi deigned Saber and used it as the face of the franchise.
It's not incest since Arturia is the father, not Arthur.
Besides, FSN Mordred is a cute son(daughter) who just wants father's approval, while Prototype Mordred is a yandere son who wants father to dick him and love only him
Yeah, but now it's on mobile with a gacha system and that's a worse crime than being a pedophile serial killer
Why? Shut up GOfag
Seriously, I don't understand why fans of other entries of the franchise hate Grand Order so much. I don't see how being a mobile game with a gacha system is much worse than, say, being an overpriced VN or LN and putting out tons of overpriced merchandise
Oh fuck off, a VN with waifus is not even close to a waifu mobile game.
Tons of people have gotten into Fate for chuunishit. Or as a continuation of FZ. Or just because it's renowned as one of the most classic VNs.
You can't say the same about GO garbage, of which the main appeal has and will always be for autists with nothing better to do, who want to grind a mobile game daily to make a team of their favorite waifus/husbandos, or just pay real money for whatever satisfaction that brings them.
But the people that got into fate for chunnishit are still into F/GO for chunnishit, same with the people that got into F/SN through FZ. Because the games has their favorite servants and make a team of your favorite servants and send them into battle is a fun experience. Fighting Beast II using a team of Iskandar, El Meloi and Merlin will always be a cool thing to picture and a lot of people who play the game do so becasue it's easy to enjoy the chunnishit in account that you can make your own chunni build of servants. The reason why the game got so huge is because you can enjoy it the way you want, if it's the mechanics that bother you then that's fine but don't try to pretend it's other things.
I've always said it's because it's a waifu gacha mobage, that has no business telling a proper story mixed in with so much garbage, didn't I?
That is very much the "mechanics" (as well as the entire business model), and I've never claimed otherwise, have I?
>el-melloi "posessed" by a real servant
Don't fucking remind me, jesus christ.
The stronger she gets the more of a nigress she becomes. FGO was a mistake. Either that or she is a Black Albino like her male counterpart.
>Also the girl she posessed there was very similar to Jeanne herself
You mean like how Zhuge Liang and Lord El-Melloi II are described to be very similar?
Just because Apocrypha is bad it doesn't instantly take away the ideas it added to the franchise.
Damn, so you don't know Case Files OR GO, huh.
Jesus fucking Christ, how do you delude yourself this badly?
No one cares who some random literally who Jeanne posessed looked like, it's fine for her design to be the same.
Zhuge Liang is a proper heroic spirit, and they just went with "lol he looked like Waver, kinda" to re-use designs and bring in fan favorites. Fuck off, I don't even want to discuss with someone who would unironically defend something like that.
>Damn, so you don't know Case Files OR GO, huh.
Zhuge Liang will poses Waver in Case Files. What are you even on about? It's not something that F/GO suddenly came up with.
People were talking about the most cancerous parts of the Fate fanbase and I replied, then someone asked me why I didn't like FGO and ite went from there.
Am I not allowed to be in here? I have nothing better to do with my time.
Anon, I'm gonna be blunt with you here, I'm enjoying this a lot, I enjoy the game and I enjoy you keeping yourself away from enjoyment simply becasue the existence of a harmless mobile game seems to drain the joy out of your day. So even tho I enjoy the game and the franchise and the story and the servants I am now gonna play this game solely to spite you.
Man I like that Saber but I wish Narita gave him a different NP instead of the Excalibur copy.
Anon, I love this franchise but it's been pretty cancerous since it's inception. Hollow Ataraxia is pure waifu pandering to the point that it even has an Illiya date route and it's only one year older than the original VN.
I don't think so, what volume? I distinctly remember when the game started and people were wondering why the fuck Waver was a Servant, until stuff got translated.
There used to be a good quality level for the waifus (in both character and design), and it was not as overbearing as most shit in FGO. Nor did it resort to such blatantly jewish tactics.
Zero/HA were the last genuinely great original content to come out of this. GO is where the franchise just went down the drain for good.
Good for you. Now stop posting Shirobako, that anime is too good for shit-eating faggot like you to get to enjoy.
The problem is that everything you shit on GO and Extella for has been done by the franchise since it fucking existed
A gacha mobage isn't any worse than an overpriced VN or anime BDs. Because VNs ARE expensive as fuck in Japan.
I used to be indifferent about his NP until I saw him pick up a stick an excaliblast with it, which was pretty damn hype for me. I also enjoy his other NP because it's literally "the true NP was the friends we made along the way"
>I don't think so, what volume?
During one of the events the classified the servants in different groups and one of those groups was "servants introduced in F/GO" that El Melloi didn't form part of, that plus other tidbits from here and there and people started speculating that El Melloi will fuse with Zhuge Liang somewhere along the way in Case Files since it's never properly explained in GO.
>awful disregard for quality in character design
Prisma Illya is only three years younger than F/SN, anon. It even came three years before Extra. Whatever you're trying to pretend this franchise is, it's never been. Just let it go.
Too bad, anon. Not only did I enjoyed it but I loved it and rewatch it occasionally. What're you gonna do about it?
It would have been hilarious if Saber was revealed to have a dick in the Fate route during the Berserker mana charging scene.
Fucking kek, yeah man, I do believe pic related, the new EMIYA, the pirate sluts, etc are perfectly great character design, and totally on par with Saber and Archer. From MY point of view of course, which is purely subjective, and that means no one can say TM's regard for making original and interesting Servants is fucking gone!
A VN is as expensive as a full game when brand new, iirc. That's not particularly jewish considering the playtime you get out of most of them, and sure as hell not more than a gacha system. Overpriced, maybe, but most things are. The difference is that you pay once, and you know exactly what you're getting.
Oh, so it's some shitty speculation that hasn't actually happened, and even if it did it'd certainly be because it appeared in FGO first, huh?
You realize that was most likely because they're treating "Zhuge Liang" as just Waver, because that's literally what he fucking is.
That said, nice job coming up with a surefire way to ruin the future of Case Files, if that were to happen.
Most of the Prisma designs are stolen straight from the early Fate stuff. Do you really have a problem with Myuu or Kuro? The corrupted Servants?
I'm fine with Richie's other NP but I'm still not fond of his Excalibur replica since we already have the Round Knights who have different variations of Excaliburs.
That doesn't matter anyway since Richie already prove himself to me that he's not an Arthur 2.0. His interactions with Ayaka is the best.
>my opinions are fact
You're worse than the otakus you hate so much
You're just cancer angry because the world doesn't work the way you want it to. You're no better than the triggered SJWs trying to ban things because they don't like them and those things hurt their feelings
Sorry, but yes, the issues you have with character design are purely subjective
I get what you mean, excaliblast variations do get old after a while but I guess there wasn't that many ways to put him on the same level than the other servants of the SnowField War. Agreed on his relationship with Ayaka his interactions with her is what sold me on him the most.
You can't honestly be claiming that. Subjective to a blind person, maybe.
Their quality control for new Servants is about as tight as a whore birthing her 5th son.
>Do you really have a problem with Myuu or Kuro
Considering how much your sperging about waifufaggory and shitty designs I am genuinely fucking shocked you don't see anything wrong with Kuro's design. If you really don't you've lost every ounce of credibility you had in judging character designs.
It IS a fact that the quality of character design is subjective. What objective problems do you have?
Realism? Because female king arthur and blonde white Gilgamesh aren't realistic or loyal to the myths at all.
Too much fanservice? Shirtless Gil from HA isn't fanservice? Medusa isn't fanservice?
Seriously, there's 0 objective issues you can bring up
At least, admit you're stating opinions and not facts.
She's a slutty loli with a cool fighting style. Prisma Illya has always been pretty fanfiction-tier, so it doesn't really clash with the rest of it. Mainly cause you know, they didn't try to bring in Nasu so he could write for a fucking magical spin-off and make it some grandiose masterpiece. It's set in its own parallel worlds, and the design fits within the confines of that.
Also the design is not a literal fucking recolor, nor does it have garbage art style.
>nor does it have garbage art style
It's a discussion image board, I'm pretty sure it's written somewhere around here that you should never take anything written here as fact, of course everything's an opinion. Is this actually your first day?
That's all I've said all along, GOfags are willing and eager shit-eaters with garbage "opinions", since they fully accept all the cancer shoved down their throat with a smile. They either never actually liked the good things about Fate when there were any, or are deluded enough to think any of that is still present in GO.
>She's a slutty loli with a cool fighting style.
That is the worst fucking character description I've heard in my entire life. I am genuinely fucking baffled that despite all your autistic cries regarding waifu pandering you're okay with what is literally the worst character in that already bad spin-of, how you think you have the right to judge anyone's tastes is beyond me.
>it's all muh opinion
>still will shit on you and spout my personal theory about you
Kill yourself, cancer. And stop trying to force people to accept your garbage "opinions"
See? I can do it, too
I think he did it to be misleading, using a Crusader NP would've been too much of a give away in his first appearance and the point was to make everyone thing that Arthur (male) had somehow been summoned.
We're discussing designs famalam. Prisma Illya is bad, Kuro is not a particularly good character. But fucking hell, she's still far better designed and has more personality than 90% of FGO trash. It's actually baffling how awful those OC donutsteels are.
>babby's first online discussion
Nothing will ever be as cancerous as GOfags though, no matter how much you want to believe you're not.
>But fucking hell, she's still far better designed and has more personality than 90% of FGO trash.
>It's actually baffling how awful those OC donutsteels are.
She's just a brown Illya in a slutty version of Archer's clothes
Lore-wise she is an Illya clone, but her design is pretty fucking different.
It fits and doesn't feel out of place, that's the whole point. You just can't say that about the hotpot of shit and diarrhea that is FGO designs.
That doesn't make sense since Richard looks nothing like Arthur aside from his blonde hair and he revealed his name to Ayaka after they broke out of prison.
I feel like Narita went Lazy on him, sad because Richie is such a good character. His edge, joy, charisma, and confidence is balanced out well.
I love the balance he he has. The Enkidou fight although short was pretty nice and I can't wait for him to actually go toe to toe with someone, I think he'll be pretty active in the oncoming Alcides fight since it seems like that might be a boss rush.
And why shouldn't it? Because it's a form of entertainment you disagree with? You sound exactly like the cancerous SJWs. You hate it? Too bad. You've no right to decide what people shoud and shouldn't enjoy.
It stops being a discussion when you start throwing insults and resorting to "it's shit because I say so, you should be blind to not see it".
>she's still far better designed and has more personality than 90% of FGO trash. It's actually baffling how awful those OC donutsteels are.
Her personality is literally slutty Illya, she's fucking loli bait m8. And her design is fucking trash, name 5 design that are worse than hers because hers is pretty bottom of the barrel tier.
Have a looksie
Honestly I'm getting a little lazy, but it's basically every single one of the "HS posessing a character from a good part of the franchise" (there's a lot now), Boobyca, Caesar, nearly all Saberfaces (there's a metric fuckton now), Okita and Nobunaga being treated as serious/"real" Servants, and pointless genderbends like Musashi/Atilla/Ushiwakamaru/etc.
>Okita and Nobunaga being treated as serious/"real" Servants
They're still joke servants, they were part of the april fools gatcha.
>HS posessing a character from a good part of the franchise" (there's a lot now)
>nearly all Saberfaces (there's a metric fuckton now)
I'll give you the saberfaces.
I agree that they're pretty pointless but given that Musashi isn't the real Musahi and her design is actually good I don't mind her.
>Oh, it's fine if they enjoy it.
It's obviously not if you feel the need to shitpost given how you can just hide the threads. You're not even shitposting cuz you're not throwing any particularly inflammatory opinions, you're quite literally just whining.
Artoria Pendragon (Lancer Alter) (Santa Lilly) (Ultimax) X ( Dancing All Night) Z
Sorry, by the "posessed" people I also meant to include everyone who already had a design before but became a Servant exclusively for FGO becuase fanservice LMAO (Shiki was also in Extra I guess)
Kiritsugu (oh wait, that's not the same lol)
Speculated Kirei soon
>blaming GOfags because of your own autistic choice to come to these threads and shitpost (your own words here)
Holy shit, kill yourself. Nobody is pointing a fucking gun to your head or holding your family hostage and forcing you to post in these threads, you know?. You can even hide them
>"HS posessing a character from a good part of the franchise" (there's a lot now)
There's exactly three, and Jaguarman barely even counts because this is the first time in forever Taiga has gotten to do virtually anything relevant. You may as well complain that Shiki is in the game.
As for the Saberfaces, they're evenly split between ones that predate GO and ones that don't, and most of them are more alternate versions of Arturia anyway.
Oh gee, thanks. Someone considers me above shitposting.
So yeah, I'm just whining to pass the time because I really hate this, that's it.
B-but senpai, if I filtered "arthur pendragon" I might miss out on a legitimate Fate thread next time!
Please make sure to explicitly state FGO in the title, thank you!
DiS Iz aRfuR PindArg0n (mAil)
I think there's some other food analogy where a drop of some nasty shit in a nice food completely spoils it. Except in this example, as long as FGO is completely ignored, at least the rest of the franchise is mostly fine. You just gotta sacrifice the FGO part entirely.
Who's Kaneda, Tetsuo?
I don't think it works that well as a single food analogy since the other parts of the franchise also have things that people like and dislike, like how some people dislike the SoL part of HA but like the plot and vice-versa, most people that read Apo just like the characters since the plot is shit and even the original F/SN is a bit divisive do to the three routes having different things to draw people in. It's hard to think of them as homogenic entities when they can be dissected in so many parts for people to enjoy.
The thing is that Apo is pretty damn isolated, so you can "quarantine" it if you don't like it.
GO is so fucking connected to literally everything, and most of it sucks ass. It's to the point where it's better to pretend it never existed. Fucked up the franchise hard for me.
I know, it's a shame, Kamakura-sama! Wish I could go punch Nasu in the face, but alas...
FGO is a videogame. A trashy one, but one nonetheless.
If you're complaining, complain about all the people talking about it on the anime and manga board.
>GO is so fucking connected to literally everything
I don't think it's connected to everything but more like everything it's connected to GO. Grand Order is supposed to be the nexus of fate and as such it's bound to reference every other bit of the lore. So far I haven't really seen any spin-off actually reference Grand Order, most of them stick to referencing the 5th Grail War in one way or the other honestly.
There's that director as a loli in Case Files, and something in Melty Blood manga I think. Also True Berserker in SF is probably Edison.
Really though, a gacha mobage is the "nexus of the Nasuverse", what a shitshow.
I completely forgot about the Melty Blood manga.
>true Berserker in SF is probably Edison.
It's literally the only person it could be
>Really though, a gacha mobage is the "nexus of the Nasuverse", what a shitshow.
Fucking sweet, ain't it? I can't wait for what comes next given the Goetia fight was nice in all the right places.
>Why is there so much autism in these threads always?
Fate has always been a pretty autistic franchise, wormslut has always been a thread derailer and powerlevels have always been a 200 reply thing. It just switched focus to other things, anon, the autism stayed the same.
I really think it was the UBW anime that did this threads in, during it it was impossible to have a decent thread and it didn't have enough time to recover for F/GO shitposting.
You know how Fate fans can be really elitist, and categorize themselves into "primaries" who read the original VN and "secondaries" who either played one of the console games or just watched the anime? And "secondaries" typically think "primaries" are a really annoying bunch, and just wanna like/dislike the game they played or the anime they watched? And "primaries" like to criticize "secondaries" for not fully grasping all of the details or the context of the media?
The thing that happened with GO is that, a bunch of the people who could previously boast about their superior insight into the Fate franchise now find themselves completely out of the loop. They don't know what's going on in the franchise anymore. You could say that the primaries have become secondaries.
>implying it's difficult at all to stay "in the loop" with all the new lore, even for EOPs
The game is constantly getting translated and summarized. It's just not worth it because most people are into mobage, and reading translations outside of the game is not very fun.
You're the only elitist here.
>>most people are not into mobage
Anon, if that were the case it wouldn't be making bank so fucking fast.
I'm not saying it's difficult to stay in the know about what's current, I'm saying a lot of people feel alienated from what's going on with the franchise because of the mobage.
That's the nipponese though.
He was talking about the issues of the decadence of the western fanbase.
Well, no shit, the main complaint is that it went into mobage territory.
>Proto Arthur in GO
Well shit, now I want to see a version of F/SN and Fate/Zero with him. The Arthur vs Lancelot fight alone would be priceless:
>you fucked my wife
>I thought you were a woman!
>you fucked my wife because you thought I was a woman?!
Would totally be worth it, besides I was going off the hypothetical scenario where Arthur replaces Arturia in the Grail Wars but not in the their past lives which is where Lancelot's "I thought you were a woman" comes in.
I hope Prototype will get a full anime or a VN someday. I need more Misaya.
No. It seems interesting, but I've heard it's not very good.
It's pretty average, but if you want some
loliMisaya, that's where you'll get it.
It has free hugs and kisses Hassan so it's all good in my book
It's a mixed bag. It's good enough, that you should have a look at it if you're interested. And it's bad enough, that you can drop it partway through and not feel guilty about it.
I'll check it out. Thanks.
She's described as a prodigal genius, she's ranked second in the hierarchy of masters participating in the war, she hails from one of the greatest magus bloodlines in the Far East, and so on.
She hurt her chances of winning, by going out of her way to keep her Servant in check. That's got more to do with her fairly well-founded trust issues, not so much with incompetence. Never mind that winning was impossible in the first place, unbeknownst to her.
For a Master she was pretty high tier. She was just so far up her own noble and elegant ass that she wouldn't let Cu use Gay Bulge since that would make everything too easy.
So she just had Gil levels of overconfidence. I can definitely see what all the fuss is all about.
I like most Type Moon girls, but Taiga has always been in a tier of her own.
Which is silly in retrospect, since Cu liked her anyways.
It wasn't overconfidence. Last time she hung out with a servant, it ended up with her losing a parent and getting cursed to die a slow death. It made her a little wary of servants. So when she was to summon a servant of her own, she deliberately picked one who she thought would have good reason to respect and fear her, and then she put his NP under lock and key for the sake of guaranteeing her own security and her servant's obedience.
Fuji-nee tier has always been an EX class tier that I'm always happy to see people appreciate.
>looked like Waver
But thats wrong.
Zhugeliang needed a vessel to be properly summoned for some reason, and Waver was the chosen vessel.
What happens next is that Zhugeliang determined that Waver has the right skills and knowledge to help save the world in the Grand Order, and so he left his powers with Waver(who is now a servant) and fucked off.
Is fine after Extella completed her storyline.
Is pretty much called noncanon by the game itself
Isn't that bad really, it's just funny to pretend it's some heinous thing
Are drawn terribly but otherwise fine
Only legitimately bad design, looks like a bargain-bin eroge character
>Artoria Pendragon (Lancer Alter) (Santa Lilly) (Ultimax) X ( Dancing All Night) Z
I'm assuming you mean MHX and MHX Alter who are literally joke characters, did Neco-Arc enrage you like this too?
>this level of denial
>EMIYA nig "isn't that bad"
>it's "pretty much" noncanon so it's okay if it's terrible (the entirety of GO should receive this treatment)
>"otherwise fine", when we're literally just discussing design
And no, I mean every god-forsaken new saberface, especially the ridiculous balloon tits with Korean MMO-looking armor, and the incredibly excessive Alters. As if using all those (subtitles) wasn't obvious enough.
With that said, you do realize that it's irrelevant to argue wether they're "that bad" in your eyes, because the only point that post was trying to make was that GO contains several designs worse than Kuro from Prisma Illya.
>EMIYA nig "isn't that bad"
It's not really. His lips look goofy, but other than that, what is there? You just want to complain. And it's fun to complain, sure. Dance to the meme theme.
>it's "pretty much" noncanon so it's okay if it's terrible
Too bad F/GO's very canon.
>"otherwise fine", when we're literally just discussing design
Their designs are fine, it's just the actual artist that's bad and gave them broken-shit anatomy.
>And no, I mean every god-forsaken new saberface
They're not bad at all.
>especially the ridiculous balloon tits with Korean MMO-looking armor
Those are actually pretty great designs. Showing Artoria grown up and her battle armor is cool.
>and the incredibly excessive Alters
There's not really that many.
>the only point that post was trying to make was that GO contains several designs worse than Kuro from Prisma Illya.
Even of those, the only ones I'd think are worse would be Boudicca and MHX Alter (who is very deliberately silly). EMIYA Alter is about the same level, which is to say, it's not really bad, but it's not good either. But apparently things cannot be mediocre in your world. There is only glorious golden goodness and horrendous shit.
It's appallingly terrible. Why is he a different race? Why did does he gain cannals of piss over his skin in later stages? In what state is your mind to defend this atrocity?
Bruh, you are the one who said Kiritsugu Servant was "pretty much noncanon". Are you purposedly going against your own argument?
Fucking news flash: a body's anatomy is part of its design. Who would've thought. And no, even if the art was better, they are the blandest, most uncreative shit. No more than 3 minutes was putting into creating every element of their "design". Boudicca level of bad.
"Grown up Saber" is good in concept, the final products look goofy as fuck instead of actually regal and powerful. Especially Alter.
>Kuro is on the level of EMIYA Alter
Yeah, I'm not arguing with someone this far gone. Gacha addiction does things to your brain, man.
>Why is he a different race?
It's just a more a more severe degree of the same condition which made Archer tan. Overuse of magic affected his pigmentation. You should know that from the VN.
>Why is he a different race?
>Why did does he gain cannals of piss over his skin in later stages?
It's magic gold
>Bruh, you are the one who said Kiritsugu Servant was "pretty much noncanon". Are you purposedly going against your own argument?
His profile says he's a dream servant only here for the Grand Orders, not "real"
>Fucking news flash: a body's anatomy is part of its design
No, design is design, and how it's depicted is an interpretation of the design
>And no, even if the art was better, they are the blandest, most uncreative shit. No more than 3 minutes was putting into creating every element of their "design".
Fundamentally I'd disagree from Anne's scars alone.
>"Grown up Saber" is good in concept, the final products look goofy as fuck instead of actually regal and powerful. Especially Alter.
This is simply something we can't reconcile. I like the draconic armors. They DO look fierce and powerful to me.
>Gacha addiction does things to your brain, man.
I don't even play F/GO I'm just commenting on designs. It's a garbage game.
Why the lips tho?
>Symbolism for him being repaired since he's broken
Damn, that' real sad and deep. Through the affection of the bland no personality self-insert protagonist, even this man finds happiness... now I truly feel sorry for complaining about how fucking terrible it looks.
>Why the lips tho?
It's the one part of his design that stands out, and it's strange, sure, but other than that it's a pretty alright design.
But continue dancing to the song of the meme.
How is it alright? Even if didn't have the lips, it's literally an edgier EMIYA who got more burned and is more of an asshole. And he uses guns because you know, they're cool and edgy. And fucking "Unlimited Lost Works".
Jesus christ, it's pure trash.
Not that guy, but come on. It is kind of fucking weird.
Like, Archer was kind of a stretch, admittedly, but there were attempts. Shirou and him both had the same eyebrows, their colors were inversions of each other, their hair, if you put it either up or down for them, you can kind of see a resemblance.
EMIYA Alter though? That's just a fucking black guy. Nothing particularly wrong with that, look at Michael Jackson, only kind of in reverse.
But yeah, Shirou just kind of grows up to be a black dude.
William Marshall >>>>>>>>> Richard the Lionheart
>it's literally an edgier EMIYA who got more burned and is more of an asshole
That's pretty much how Alters work, yeah.
Edgy EMIYA is fine. You groan at "edginess" because you cannot stop dancing to the meme. Understand that "edgy" is not a negative attribute, it's an aesthetic that isn't intrinsically good or bad.
But you're so fucking addled from internet usage that you think it does mean bad, and so edgy things can't be approved of in any degree, because the meme has shaped you so.
He looks a little bit like Oscar from Berseria.
Man, you sure have a superior analytical mind, to be able to see past the power of memes.
No dude, there's a point where you cross a line and edginess goes from sad/interesting to plain silly. You're not smarter for "accepting" brainless edgy remakes of characters.
There is nothing to this character, he has a vague as fuck backstory and accomplishes nothing that Archer didn't already do 100 times better, with lots of caratherization and proper build-up, and without resorting to Coldsteel-tier "pls feel bad for this guy" bullshit.
So now you're judging him based on your preconceptions of a story that literally hasn't been told yet instead of the design.
Because your complaint of the design is that it is edgy, but only now do you realize that "edgy" does not equal "bad".
I don't think I'm intelligent for grasping the structure of that meme, but I do think you're an imbecile for not realizing how far your argument has moved.
Oh wait are you the same guy who said Kuro and nigger Emiya are on the same level? If so sorry, I almost forgot
>Yeah, I'm not arguing with someone this far gone. Gacha addiction does things to your brain, man.
To be fair, FGO pretty much is the best way for broken servants to be "repaired".
Rama was reunited with Sita, even if it was very briefly.
Gorgon Medusa can meet her elder sisters once again.
Asterios met someone who calls him by his name as opposed to "Minotaur".
The Emiya family is together for once, albeit with different continuity versions of each member.
Kiritsugu got to be a hero and save the world, ironically after he became a counter guardian and summoned to Salomon.
>tfw he's alright without the nigger lips
Well, it's also landwhale(Otome) Arthur version in the OP.
He has some stupid reason to fall for the 5/10 girl that doesn't even have an outstanding personality or some sort of appealing trait. Not good enough for him to actually want to fuck her, but we are supposed to bieleve he will have some remantic story with her.
I love how in Protoypes he's all charmed by her for no reason and in F/SF she's the one that ends up wanting Richard's D.
from what his trial quest says he's literally the Artur from the Prototype war that's jumping from reality to reality because the Beast 666 from the Proto universe is bound to manifest in another reality than he's own. He says that since your (our) Arturia is a woman then he doesn't really exist in our history of the world.
>So what's his actual story?
You mean his personal history from before he wound up dying at the root of a tree? Pretty much the same as Artoria, sans having the part about her having to hide her gender.
>Who is he in relation to Artoria? An alternate history?
Alternate timeline. Multiverse stuff. King Arthur from a world where King Arthur was a dude.
Its not too hard to understand. There are infinite universes; the Arthuria you know isn't the main one, she's just one of many possibilities, there's no main. A King Arthur that lines up with history as we know it is also a possibility. Along with a hundred other possibilities like a kaliedescope.
Arthur is literally just from a world where King Arthur is a male, but is the same soul and has basically the same story. It only differs on a few points. Such as Merlin being a girl in his world as well.
Fate/Prototype is a story of fujo pandering, all the servants are hot guys.
It kind of breaks his charachter to fall in love with some piss girl that still didn't get all her hair.
I mean, he's supposed to be the king of britain, the man that got so much pussy he could drown in it. He alread got married, and had a son out of marriage, it's not like he never saw a girl.
>like how Proto Cu is young-Cuchulainn-just-after-training
Nah, Proto Cu is also just alt world Cu as well. But there's basically no real difference except he's a bit younger.
Basically, this was the original draft of FSN, before they decided to change MC's gender, and ended up changing Arthur's gender as well to match. Which is why it's called Fate Prototype. A lot of the ideas present are a lot more grounded in a way, but its also basically Twilight, kinda like Tsukihime.
>the man that got so much pussy he could drown in it
King Arthur went his entire life trying to be celibate, the only time he got laid was with Morgause after Morgan le Fay hit him with an enchantment. He knew of a prophecy that he'd be slain by his son's hand. It's why Guenevere becomes unfaithful, the man would not smash for the world.
That's what I'm saying, in F/SF she's with her becasue he feel guilty about dragging her into a grail war, it's Ayaka that ends up falling for him. The mate's jus' there for a laff.
>Nah, Proto Cu is also just alt world Cu as well. But there's basically no real difference except he's a bit younger.
F/GO's profile on Proto Cu says he's the same person with the same true name. He's just "younger in mind and body" and Scathach is closer to his heart since he's summoned from closer to his days in training. He's 100% compatible with Stay Night Cu.
It's otome pandering that ends in a reverse harem.
>F/GO's profile on Proto Cu says he's the same person with the same true name.
Gilgamesh and Gilgamesh Prototype are the "same person" with the same true name, but they're also alt world versions of each other that are basically the same but different.
Arthur and Arthuria are also basically the same, but in this case there's a notable way to say how their lives diverged. Cu and Cu have the same true name, but they're also very slightly alt world versions of each other. But there's also basically no difference at all.
Its not like they'd have different true names in the first place, but they can still be slightly alt. Just like Shirou and Shirou.
cu and gilgamesh have different personality, but not that much difference.
Arthur and Arthuria have entirely different personality. She's a stiff who regret being king, He's a lot more friendly and playful and took the duty of being king in stride.
>Gilgamesh and Gilgamesh Prototype are the "same person" with the same true name
We don't have Proto Gil in F/GO so I don't know why you're assuming that.
>but they're also alt world versions of each other that are basically the same but different.
And Proto Cu isn't. He's the same person. His profile says so. He's just from a different point in time.
Stay Night Cu = adult Cu who killed Ferdiad and Connla, a little more reserved and negative
Proto Cu = young Cu who's still wandering Ireland killing monsters.
The relationship between the two is more like Archer Gil and Caster Gil more than Archer Gil and Proto Gil.
t. someone who's never read the epic
Reminder that the Epic describes Gilgamesh and Enkidu as being incredibly beautiful in a way that sumerians only use to describe women. They were bishounens to the max.
>but muh bearded man statue
Did you know that relief was made in Dur-Sharrukin about 1500 years after Uruk fell? And we don't even know whether it's meant to be Gilgamesh or Enkidu?
They'll probably say Proto Gil is Gil from right before he met Enkidu and was going around raping other guys wives, since that's basically what he's trying to do in Prototype.
He's got weird taste. Not like Ayaka isn't pretty, but Gil apparently got the idea that Ayaka without glasses is more beautiful than any of ancient Uruk's women. It's a bit strange.
He needs a beard and some muscles.
>Gilgamesh and Enkidu as being incredibly beautiful in a way that sumerians only use to describe women.
Perhaps something was lost in the translation, but I did get that impression from Enkidu if only because of the dream where he was a rock.
Too bad the only time she got to hug her dad was when he speared her.
Cripes, that drawing looks so bad.
Not as many as he had with Enkidu.
Literally Prototype and Proto Fragments.
Fate/Prototype, wish granted. Go jack off to that and then realize that no genderbending doesn't actually make it better or worse, it doesn't really do anything. FSN had genderbending and its still remembered to this day.
Fate/Strange Fake, not only does it have no genderbends or arturia faces but it's actually genuinely good.
There is no True Lancer, it was replaced by extra class Watcher. Berserker is theorized to be Edison.
Her smile and optimism is gone.
>Literally the last magus on earth.
>Saves the entire world by beating to death with their own bare hand the thing that killed humanity.
>Was literally Solomon's friend/apprentice who they trusted.
>Only gets the rank of Cause in the Mages Association.
Humanity was a mistake.
Berserker. It is a person that isn't a person, a thing without memory yet ruled by its past. I mean most people at least have a name or a gender to help guide their understanding of self, and yet this Ripper has none of that.
why do you need raws? all three volumes have been fully translated already. I agree with the publishing tho, I need the next volume pronto after the way the last one ended. Narita has me by the balls with that preview.
Do you mean Pale Rider and Halcides or True Assassin cuz True Assassin is a suspense movie given physical form
There is no True Lancer, there's Watcher,
Watcher's master is supposed to become True Lancer somehowTrue Serker is Edison.
It's not much different from Hakunon being a boy or a girl depending on the universe. He's King Arthur, just not the same King Arthur as Artoria; same legend and same role, but different person in a different universe.
>Bruh, you are the one who said Kiritsugu Servant was "pretty much noncanon". Are you purposedly going against your own argument?
Kerry is part of the AZO singularity that is straight up stated to be a one-off with no consequences outside itself.
Not all events are serious, and not all events are canon. Only the main story is 100% confirmed canon.
For what "canon" matters, anyways, considering parallel worlds.
Its more in keeping with the philosophy of existentialism and less Lovecraftian. Yes Berserker would be a pretty lame horror movie monster, but that's not quite the same thing.
I need the raws because I wish to check the quality of the translations. That, and I might be able to make a superior scanlation if someone makes a bad chapter of the manga.
The misspellings and sideways paragraphs and bad fonts are all extremely distracting to me; I should like to fix those things if I can. I can't do that if I'm not even given the opportunity (the raws). And I am [rightfully] doubtful that the people who released the chapters with those mistakes would go back to fix the errors themselves if I simply emailed them about it.
I know that GO triggers a lot of autists here but holy shit, this fucking thread
It's a really freaky class, the servant itself is yet to be seen but it's accompanied by some sort of "shades" of people from the past that talk to his master and tell him to do certain trials.
Watcher if summoned normally says his class would be gate-keeper. Enkidu makes some remark about the counter force when its summoned, its something that probably shouldn't have been summoned. It summoned itself in response to something that was about to happen apparently, something Sigma is about to summon.
Its like the world itself showed up and decided to observe the grail war. Zelretch, some divine spirit, and a few other major players in reality are all observing this war since something important is about to unfold. According to Watcher, it can't even lift a knife or fight, but its killed many things throughout history such as Orion, Icarus, and Ahab. Its perhaps a living concept of some sort, maybe representing hubris or some other abstract idea?
It takes the form of various things such as Ahab, Icarus, Orion, etc. Ahab if summoned normally says he could qualify as Avenger class.
The only note about Watcher so far is that he's an ace card for the war if used correctly, since he can observe everything in the war at once at all times as through from heaven or something.
>Official translations have to meet at least "mediocre" everywhere
Not true. Look at Blame - Killy's name is written in the English alphabet on the *cover* of multiple volumes, but the 'official translation' is Kyrii. That alone should tell you that mediocrity is not the baseline. Moving beyond that - 'official translations' cannot be *repaired*. Nobody will purchase a second edition of a volume because you claim to have fixed all the mistakes that were present in the first one; that's a self-defeating proclamation.
Applying the theory to Grand Order: can you imagine what it would be like if the publishers changed the game text every few months to match their interpretation? Nobody would ever take it seriously, and everyone would continue to use the fan-written lines as opposed to the official version.
The other theories so far are those three watcher witches from Greek mythology, the Morie or something. Also one odd theory is Jesus.
Considering no one guessed True Archer correctly, who knows.
The Fates, aka the Moirai.
But it wouldn't make sense for the three of them to be one person, under virtually any interpretation. Also, one of the Fates actually has a knife, so that kinda kills that concept.
I say hubris, and I say I'm right.
Its Type-MOON, there's never going to be any official localization. Anime subs are done by the distributor. Fate/Extra was an anomaly, its been 4 years since CCC came out, where's the official translation?
Artist says he drew it wrong, and drew another version of it as fanart, but the damage is done.
Couple artists may or may not be told to make it shitty on purpose, who knows.
Oh, anon, you're in for a rough next couple of decades.
With FGO, shit like canonity can be fucked, its canon to its own continuity.
Camelot was the result of Jerusalem getting conquered by Lancer Arturia and was in a timeline where Excalibur was never returned, it was a singularity and disappeared after it was fixed.
America was a clusterfuck with the original history barely there.
Hell, FGO's continuity had a grand total of 1 proper HGW in its history, and it was the one in Fuyuki with the victor being Solomon and his master.
Some other stuff like the fact that Primate Murder never became a monster in FGO's continuity.
Its an entire continuity to itself.
The joke events, its all up to your interpretation, maybe they managed to rayshift to very bizzare timelines to experience those stuff, maybe it was all a dream.
>Hell, FGO's continuity had a grand total of 1 proper HGW in its history, and it was the one in Fuyuki with the victor being Solomon and his master.
I can't help but think that it would be really funny to see just how that unfolded
>The only human to ever get a working Grail uses it to wish for money
At least he spent it on a good cause.
Of course I know how it *ended*. I'm just imagining 12 other people with perfectly valid dreams and aspirations going to war against fucking Solomon, and their plights therein. How strong were the other Servants? How did the other Masters plan to beat Solomon? Et cetera.
>Some Guy summons a sane, Saber Heracles
>"surely I can't possibly lose now, haahahah!"
How to tell someone read a flawed english synopsis instead of the actual story. His wish was granted completely and cleanly, and ultimately it saved the world. It didn't have a hand in ending it at all. Goetia's plan began when Solomon died, as in the first time in 931 BC. The three thousand years of human history that Goetia uses to incinerate all of time with is 931 BC to 2016 AD. Solomon joining a Holy Grail War and making a wish was something Goetia couldn't even compute, because Goetia thought Solomon had no capacity for personal desire.
>Goetia wanted to give humans immortality
>Instead of living forever and shitposting you are now doomed to die and cease to exist.
>Your loving family no longer has to die before your eyes.
Thanks Yaweh and Solomon. Not like some people want to live forever. Not like humanity is throwing over 500 million dollars into prolong life until random death occurs or anythin