What does Japan think historical Knights were?

anime

Useful figures to give bullshit magic to in their super-powered battle royale story.

The entire Fate franchise exists and your biggest complaint is about this?

delinquents with swords

>>154310946
It's best to go through each complaint one by one.

>>154310980
Hopefully you don't have any health problems because you'll be doing that for decades then.

>>154310868
Warriors with swords that were somehow made with shitty material by morons who couldn't forge. Swords that could not match up to the swiftness and grace of a katana.

>>154310868 (OP)
Ocidental samurais.

Are they even aware knights were supposed to ride horses?

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>>154310868
Nobles.

>>154311052
Very subtle.

>>154311052
Should I post it??? I mean, I can I have it right there, ready when you are!

Are Knights a bigger meme than the Samurai? Not only were they not around that long, they were just heavy cavalry with "muh chivalry" that got fucking annihilated by any proper army composition. Even the Turks and other hordes had much more effective horsemen.

If anything the proper European warriors should be Dragoons or Musket-users since that when they started cucking the world back.

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>>154311456
>Turks
Was about time.

>>154311456
>Not only were they not around that long

You fucking idiot, there's still Knights today

>>154311456
Knights are remembered for their armor and swords, but they were famous for being landowners and having serfs beneath them while still being common enough that you could reasonably meet them semi-frequently.

>>154311456
knights and samurai are both romanticized in the same way

in reality, they were just armed thugs who slew peasants for the local lord

>>154311533
>Field Winged Hussars
>Destroyed by Russia
>Destroyed by fucking Sweden of all things
>Cease to exist as a nation

No offense but the hordes of the east rolled over Poland and the rest of eastern europe like it wasn't even there. They ate Knights for breakfast.

>>154311561
They suck ass too.

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>>154311586
>Implying I don't know how work rock paper scissors

>>154310868
Some of historical knights was total bros. Who beated bandits and helped weak especially France knights russian and italian knights were a cool too.
Knight codex it is the real thing for them.

>>154310868
Ok then, what should they call overpowered dudes wielding, magic and wearing full plate? Sword dudes?

>>154311539
That's just because Europe fucked up and didn't genocide their warrior culture. Now we'll never see Tom Cruise donning platemail.

>>154311456
Heavy cavalry saved Europe from mongols and muslims back then.

>>154311736

BAH-SIR-KER

>>154310956
Knight codex are for nobles.

>>154311813
Code of Chivalry

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>>154311052
>>154311356
What do you mean?

>>154310868
Definitely not KANGZ AND SHIEEETTTT

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>>154311736
Technically impossible since Iron is man-made and thus repels the natural elements and sorcery. This is why people used to hang a horseshoe on their front door in the olden days, to ward off spirits.

Fire Emblem called them barons and boy were they broken as fuck

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>>154311889

>>154311921

What the fuck is this animation?

>>154311921
Is there anymore of them?

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>>154311456
>tfw Dragoons are just faggots with Pikes who can jump now

I cannot for the life of me see the RL connection here

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What does the U.S. think historical knights were?

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>>154311052

>>154310868
teenage girls with daddy issues

>>154311969
There is another meaning of "dragoon"as dragon rider.

>Why is my fantasy fiction so unrealistic
Who knows, OP.

Anime doesn't even get samurai remotely right, why would you expect knights to be accurate?

Alright instead of talking about how japs aren't accurate let's do the opposite.

What is the most accurate portrayal in anime?

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>>154312147

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>>154312035
This. What about rapier, estoc, and sabre?

>>154312147
Most accurate portrayal of what? Medieval combat? Maria the Virgin Witch. Other than the witch part.

>>154312147
I'd say kindergartners are mostly accurately portrayed.

>>154312313
Of anything in all of anime.

Serious question: what does western medieval fantasy media think historical knights were?

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Looks like it's that time of the week

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>>154311813
>>154311845
Wasn't chivalry only useful as soldier discipline, morale and surrender negotiations? Knights themselves didn't delude in believing to be just or noble. It just used honorable law abiding code as a front to reinforce a knight's soldier mentality to stay alive. Maybe I should ask this in /tg/ instead.

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>>154312349
Awesome people.

>>154312494
>forbidden to use it on the battlefield.

We wouldn't want to hurt anyone during battles.

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you'r katana is going to do shit to my damascus steel

>>154312595
B-but MUH HONOR (and nowadays, muh international laws).

>>154312494
So much bullshit.

>From the crusades to the 100 years' wars

Woooow, almost a whole century. Meanwhile the Gladius was used for like 800 years. Shit even the Viking battleaxe saw longer use.

>>154311943
puppets

>>154312652
Yea I always found that concept fucking stupid.

Like maybe it should be frowned upon if it's used against normal civilians but why wouldn't I be able to dump chemicals on an enemy? Like I'm trying to win the war right? Not just slowly get my people killed.

>>154312652
I saw a knight use that move in For Honor though

>>154312688
Remember: If you start playing dirty so will the enemy. Then youhave to play even dirtier. And so will your enemy.

And in the age of nukes this is a road that will turn into a dead end.

Assuming this is an all out war of course.

>>154312688
Because then they dump chemicals on you?

Or start executing the prisoners they took?

Or maybe just drop a nuke and get the whole thing over with.

Honor, or more accurately, restriction is the only thing that's kept humanity alive all this time.

>>154312715
>FOR HONOR
>Doesn't have honor

Immersion RUINED.

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>>154312715
Thank you for your contribution /v/, now you may go back gently.

I'm sort of curious if a katana could cut through chainmail.

I seriously doubt it.

>>154312738
>>154312749
That's when you make alliances and have them swear to nuke others if you get nuked.

Then we end up in a cold war situation and we thrive on the fear of impending nuclear war.

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>>154312775
>muh longsword vs katana thread
>don't you dare mention anything that's actually longswords vs katana: the game!!!!

>>154312775
>/v/
>Playing For Honor

Good one.

>>154312835
You know the best part about a cold war? It's not a war.

>>154312787
That's obviously a no.
I'm more curious of if a bullet could penetrate chainmail.

>>154312669
>From the crusades to the 100 years' wars
>almost a whole century
You've got to be kidding me.

>>154312835
>as he says from his bedroom with a packet of doritios to his right and his wank stained tissue to his left

>>154312859
Definitely.

If chainmail could stop bullets it would have been used much longer than it was.

>>154312859
When would that ever matter? Personally I think it would be worth knowing whether jet fuel can melt it or not

>>154310868
>Lancelot
>historical
He was literally a frenchman

>>154312868
>The crusades ended with the capture of Jerusalem/rape of Constantinople

Now there's a meme if I ever saw one

>>154312859
>I'm more curious of if a bullet could penetrate chainmail.

Bullets can penetrate a whole lot more, anon.

>>154312858
Then why does it have WAR in it's name.

A giant game of chicken with a whole country's existence on the line is the best kind of war.

>>154312882
I mean I won't pretend I'm a master strategist and a warmonger. But I am middle eastern and I have seen my fair share of car bombings, gun shootings and other cowardly acts.

>>154311778
>Implying.
It was crossbowmen and artillery who did that.
Heavy cavalry lose the field every time they are used against mongols or muslims.

>>154312835
There are no agreements between enemies in a real war, everything since WW2 is just a political game.

>>154311456
All class-based societies included sword-wielding nobility. Only exceptions to this rule were indigenous tribes who never settled in one place long enough to develop.

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>>154312858
Are they poor or something?
>>154312850
I thought Pic related was ultra-greatsword vs Katana: the game.

sure looks like a lot of anime in this thread faggots

>>154311980
Actually more correct that you think.

>>154313068
U BE SAYIN'

>>154312932
I understood "from the crusades to the 100 years' wars" as from 1090 to the mid 15th century. I'm not certain the swords they had back then were already called longswords.

>>154313095
Yes, we wuz knights and shiet, brother.

What is everyone's opinion on scimitars? There must be a reason the arabs used them.

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>>154313190
DAS RITE

>>154313223
Damascus steel unarguably made the greatest swords that ever existed. There is no point in debating it.

>>154311870
Why are little people always afraid of iron? Is it because iron implies courage and hard work?

>>154313264
not as good as glorious nippon steel folded over a 1000 times

>>154313264
But steel aside what about the shape? What's the benefit of a curved sword?

>>154313308
it resembles a crescent moon and thus channels the power of allah ( the moon god )

>>154313308
It isn't used as a thrust weapon as the main way of fighting.

>>154313308
It's lighter and thus handier and better for combat on horseback.

Using a regular sword is like holding an outstretched pole, shit's heavy.

>>154313380
I'd also imagine it's better for flesh wounds.

Spears > swords.

Swords are too romanticized.

>>154313477

>I cut the tip of your spear off

Now what?

>>154313543
>I teleport behind you
Now what?

>>154313543
You.. you don't seriously think that'd work, right?

>>154313581
>stab myself with the sword and dail you too
now what?

>>154313676
It was a hologram

>>154313666

>Sharp steel vs wood
hmm I wonder

>>154313756
still can't do that without having the angle for a horizontal strike, and if you have that angle why don't you just fucking stab the spearman in the first place

>>154313710
>I teleport inside you
>Now what?

>>154312787
No sword could cut through plate or chainmail, that's why they had maces and warhammers.

The longsword had its uses against it though using mordhau techniques to emulate a hammer or half-sword to target unprotected areas but that's it.

The katana actually fares way worse vs armor because 1st it was made out of pig-iron which europeans refused to touch for warfare due to lack of quality (the Japanese folding smith techniques weren't there to make the blade godly, they were used to make the weapon usable) and 2nd the katana was made for an environment where due to the lack of quality metal they would be facing leather or wood armors.

>>154312859
Yes even the old muskets could pierce plate back then so imagine a nowadays weapon

>>154313756
>>154313543
Someone has never chopped wood in their life.

LANCELOT IS UNRIVALLED

>>154313756
This is retarded on a whole new level.

>>154313756
>>154313885
Just fyi I've done traditional martial arts before and yeah 9 times out of 10 a guy with a sword will win against a guy with a spear. It's a better weapon for fighting but no you can't cut the spear's tip off with a sword, that's retarded.

Fuck melee combat. I'll be safe behind the castle wall just launching arrows at a big mass of people.

I may hit an enemy or I may hit a friend but in the end I'll be safe behind the castle walls.

>>154312969
>Battle of Kulikovo.
>Poland winged hussars vs turks
Heavy cavalry, wins.

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when are we going to have an anime about the greatest warrior of all time: Brad Pitt ?

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>>154314059
>Greatest warrior of all time
>Brad Pitt

Step the fuck out of the way for TOMMO CRUISE-DONO

>>154312969
It was fortresses that stopped mongols and ottomans. t. eastern european

>>154311456
The spanish Tercio was the best mixed infantry formation of its time.

>>154311969
Dragoons are animalized infantry though. They are infantry with better mobility. They don't fight on horseback and they can use guns, not necessarily swords.

>>154312859
Anon i think you've watched too many chinese cartoons

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>>154314059
>>154314128
You both get the fuck out of the way of Sean Bean-Sama.

>>154314128
ARUGUREE-SAN!!!

>>154314317
They're spear-wielding warriors who fight dragons, actually.

>>154313843
Furthermore, any sword was a rarity in Japanese warfare. Bows and spears made up the bulk of equipment, with swords reserved for VIPs.

>>154314688
Napoléon had Doraagons too you know.

>>154314708
Superior weapons need superior wielders.

>>154314708
People seem to forget that japan was really primitive and backwards and only began to develop after being nuked twice.

>>154313331
It also channels the power of the lunarian gods so I just have to channel my inner Junko to defeat you

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>>154314939
But anon the sun is brighter than the moon.

>>154314828

It's ignorant to claim they 'only began to develop' after the end of the war. What is the Meiji Restoration? How did they defeat the Russians at Tsushima if they were using spears and leather armor?

>>154313010
>not being spear master race

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>>154315059
>Not making a oneshot build with an ultra-greatsword

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>>154314304
*Disputes you*

>>154314788
Fuck no.

Swords have a smaller reach than spears and bows, but are more effective within that range. If there's a headhunting unit, they'll want to close with VIPs quickly to avoid being bogged down by regular troops while the VIP retreats. So if you're anticipating the troops which reach you to be rushing for close range, a sword is a more fitting tool.

In mass war, bows and spear fuck up swords every day of the week.

>>154314828
>japan was really primitive and backwards
More that Europe had a massive advantage. Quality mineral resources, animals suitable for domestication, an excellent climate, large coastal regions, and proximity to the earliest great empires.

Once Japan got a taste of European knowledge, they fucking Meiji'd up.

>>154315035
Because the Russians were still using teeth and claws?

>>154315144
>enjoying getting backstabbed

>>154315035
It's also ignorant to respond to shitposts as if they were serious points.

>>154314788
Not really, both the Longsword and the Katana were sidearms, mainly the katana the main weapons were the bow and spear. The samurais were expert archers on horse, not on sword duels.

Samurais just had the advantage of having a weapon in case they lost their primary weapon, unlike the peasant.

>>154311943

East Asian Puppet Show.

>>154312868

the first catholic crusade was the conquering of england by william the conqueror, the last one was some weird thing in northern russia. There's about a half millenia between them - there was "The Crusades" which encomppased a century or two across 8 of crusades, but there were a lot of other crusades before and after those.

And honestly the crusades ended in such silliness that it is largely because of robin hood legends that anyone cares that much about the crusades.

Well, that and the knights templars, but that was technically after The Crusades.

>>154312951
>Then why does it have WAR in it's name.

Exactly, what purpose does it having a war in its name serve? Huh? Absolutely none. get down. huh.

>>154315362
>Not using the weapon skill
>Not being good

>>154315484
People just assumed all wars were inevitable. America tried to kickstart the nuclear war like 6 times because "either they do it or we do it".

>>154315542
>not playing the superior Dark Soul: Shitty Hitboxes Edition (DSII)

>>154311921
stick win everytime

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>>154315603
>Implying I don't have every Dark Souls on PC master race
Shitpost aside DS2 Softs is way too easy compared to original DS2.

>>154315678
Thats true, they really were less mean about enemy placement.

>>154312760
It's FOR Honor not WITH Honor

>>154315603
Oddly enough it was still the best game. Like Monster Hunter the hitboxes encouraged clever, almost strategic battling using different tactics to win instead of just rolling through everything like the other games.

>>154315484
>the first catholic crusade was the conquering of england by william the conqueror
u wot m8

>>154315720
>Iron Keep
>less mean in SOTFS

>>154314128
Where the fuck do I buy a suit of armor like that

That shit is sexy

>>154315720
Less mean about enemy placement, everything is easier to get get mostly those shitty tree to un petrify people, and I honnestly had the feeling everything was dropping the shitload of souls on me at anytime.
>>154315806
Way less mean indeed.

>>154312349
Not an absolute horror show for any peasant within three miles. Erroneously.

>>154315756
In terms of combat, builds, and mechanics, sure.
In level design, enemies, visuals, lore, story, and dialogue, it's the weakest by quite a margin, making it the worst in the series.

>>154312951
>A giant game of chicken with a whole country's existence on the line is the best kind of war

The game barely worked when there were only two players. Now a half-dozen are revving their engines ignoring the fact that they've got no brakes.

>>154315822
lol no, SOTFS Iron Keep is literally the original but with double the Alonne Knights, and an added Forlorn invasion (plus 2 other NPC invasions right at the entrance) just for fun.

>>154315806
>>154315929

Iron keep wasn't that bad in either one, sounds like you just need to git gud.

>>154315822
I didn't really notice anything about more souls.

>>154315929
Well I was already with the greatsword and greatshield andI had no problem with anything. Just use the traps in the worst case.

>>154315876
I guess. Would suck if it was a book or a movie or something instead of a game.

>>154315929
I heard SOTFS was harder all over, didn't they put an ogre in the forest of giants?

>>154312669
I know you trolling, but the gladiators was not used for 800 years, nor were they actually a fixed sword form.

>>154315975
I've beat both versions a handful of times and consider Iron Keep the area with the meanest enemy placement (aside from pre-patch Amana and those optional co-op zones in DLC).
Earthen Peak in SOFTS is also much worse than its original counterpart, with excessive mannikins up the ass.

>>154316035
>enemies and level design don't matter in a game
Fucking DS2 apologists.

>>154316078
Ogres arent that hard to kill.

>>154312669
Or gladius, since Apple's autocorrect was made by plebeians

>>154315975
Well it may be subjective or the habit. You know the feeling you get after you completed it once and everything goes faster.
>>154316078
It's not like if you can't avoid it anyway.

>>154310868
fucking retarded edgelords

>>154316112
It's not like they're bad, they're just inferior. I'm not entirely sure why though, the level design in BB and DS3 bored the fuck out of me.

>>154316167
True enough, I did notice myself gaining souls faster but I chalked that up to me being better at the game, dying less and killing faster.

>>154316284
Couldn't disgree more. Central Yharnam and Cathedral of the Deep are some of the best designed areas FromSoft has done, nothing in DS2 really comes close.
For me picking between DS2 and the rest of the series is like
>Flawed gameplay, and superior everything else
versus
>Slightly more perfected gameplay, awful and unfun everything else

>>154313543
No you retard, you're supposed to deflect the spear and then get behind it

>>154316410
I felt the vanilla areas of DaS2 were very bland.

But the DLC was pretty top notch, especially the cave one with all the switches. That one was legitimately fun to explore.

I can only hope the last dlc of 3 lives up to them.

>>154313756
You do realize swords don't ACTUALLY cut cleanly like that right?

>>154316588
you're just not swingin' hard enough

>>154316553
Out of all DS2 three Dlc I rather the one with the tower because of the vertical progression where you go deeper and deeper, but also with all the levels interacting between themselves.

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>>154316867
Yeah, that one was cool.

Honestly the snow level was the only one I had a real gripe with, mostly because
A:you do the same area twice in a row with it having new areas the second time
B: You can't coop it the second time through (I first played it while doing a coop run with a friend) except with the baby soapstone)
C:That fucking running NPC, I never actually killed him, I just realized if you bonfire before heading into the iceroom and don't go near his spawn, he ignores you.
D:The free to play zone is fucking bullshit. Just horrible.

Also I just got a new captcha I've never seen before and I hate uit

>>154313477
In a battlefield, yes, but in a duel, no.
A spear has serious issues against a shield, one on one.

>>154313275
No, it's because smithed iron is completely unnatural, and thus anathema to the fey who are part of nature itself. Oh, and if anyone tries to tell you cold iron and iron are different, call them a mouthbreathing retard who's played too much 3.x with their brain switched off.

>>154312595
>>154312652
>>154312688
The ban is referring to duels most likely

>>154317193
Please tell me reloading doesn't put you into a second row of question.

Yeah me too I didn't liked the snow DLC at all for many reasons, although I did liked the small suburb part and the tower at the opposite of the bridge.
A: t's repetitive ot only in design but also in gameplay
B: that fucking tiger was a slaughter for my tank
C:freaking sea of ice with literally nothing
D: the hey wanna get the Ivory king's armor don't you? Well boy you ought to farm those Loyce souls.

>>154317447
Man, fuck the double tiger so much

Also FUCK the loyce souls, that was the worst thing ever. I got to about 25 before giving up

>>154317447
The captcha timed out while I was capping it and the next one was the standard "Pick out images with signs" captcha

But yeah, the snow DLC was easily the worst of the 3, but the other two were top tier IMO

>>154311921
God that thread was hype.

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>>154313264
>Damascus steel unarguably made the greatest swords that ever existed.
On paper, crucible steel blades look pretty good - no doubt about that - however, the contemporary perspectives weren't as one-sided as it may seem.

>What we also learn from Islamic writing is that "Frankish" or European swords were quite common in the Arabic world. Al-Kindi, whom we have encountered before, remarks already in the 9th century on the "river-like appearance" of the center of Frankish blades, and that they were made from two kinds of iron / steel". He must have seen pattern-welded blades, it seems.

>One Ibn Hodeil in the 14th century wrote a book entitled "Equipment for Knights and Insignia of the Brave". There we read: "The Arabs claim that the fabrication of (Frankish swords) is the work of Genies. They are more resistant to blows one gives with them even during cold weather, while the hindy (wootz) sabre often breaks when the weather is cold...". It seems that the wootz swords had a "cold-short" problem, most likely caused by phosphorous.

>China, by the way, was aware of the Indian steel in the Middle Ages, but seemed not to have been very impressed either. There are no indications of major trading or other interactions.

>>154317834
after the burning of alexandria and later the fall of rome, the knowledge went east and became damscus, and west to become frankish

>>154313843
>pig-iron
While it is true that the metal the Japanese used started in a worse state than that of the europeans, mainly being imported or in the form of iron sand. The Japanese made up for this by using blast furnaces (tatara), and combining the high and low carbon metals, to create a even distribution of the carbon in the end product. Please stop trying to compare weapons from to drastically different points in time.

>>154317893
The "Frankish" blades at the time (and Frankish was the term for all westerners in the Arabic world at the time) were pattern welded though. They were generally not crucible steel blades.

>>154317841
>Muh longbow
>Ignoring the weather, terrain and the french armies exhaustion and general incompetance

>>154310868
Better question is why Fate is giving us every Knight of the Round table that ISN'T Sir Ector and Sir Kay.
I mean for Fuck's Sake Arturia is the Pikachu of Type Moon and yet the foster father and brother that raised her for her ENTIRE LIFE is nowhere to be seen. I mean even without the relation isn't Kay a Giant Slayer? That's pretty legit

>>154318078
They both "appear" in her story about her childhood in HA. Also I think Merlin talks to Kay in Garden of Avalon.
They just haven't gotten designs and power level shit yet, which is admittedly a shame.

>>154318078
Kay is in Garden on Avalon drama CD voiced by Daisuke Ono

>>154318078
When I first read Fate I kept thinking Merlin would pop up & say something to Shirou but nope ;_; it's a real shame wizards aren't more common in the universe

>>154319668
Merlin doesn't need to give a shit about Shirou. Merlin is literally too cool for him.

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>>154311586
Their charge essentially ended the Siege of Vienna and saved western europe from ottoman expansion. By the time things you reference occurred they were obsolete, as all things are in time. Also by that time the "hordes of the east" were an organized force emulating the Prussian military.

>>154319917
Not only that, hussars were an extremely elite unit, having a thousand of them ain't gonna help you when you're attacked from all sides.

Not only that, they pretty much wrecked the Swedes whenever they faced each other on the field.

>>154311586
>i don't know shit

>>154312555
Chivalry was literally just a guideline on how fight really well on horseback, which later would become to also encompass courtly etiquette as well due to the demands of the lords.
The concept of taking knights hostages was commonplace simply because the money was too good to pass up, it had little to do with actual chivalric code in itself.
Anyone who looked important enough to be ransomed generally speaking was ransomed.

Much of the behaviour linked with comes from the strenght of armoured cavalry in those times.
If a knight were defeated in battle, he was simply not chivalrious enough, or to put it in english, he was not a good enough horseman.
The reason why knights were so daring and set in their ways was because their power in the battlefield used to be dominant enough that such behaviour was often rewarded due to the effectiveness of cavalry prior to there being a reliable counter to them.

While there was undoubtably much pageantry involved to with tournaments, it they were far more a martial class than sportsmen that they were portrayed as.
One of the primary reasons why knights were phased out was because knightly priviledges to pillaging enemy lands for extra pocket money during war were becoming unpopular all around.
Conquerors preferred to capture things intact.
Church didn't like seeing Christians ravaged.
Those being attacked liked it even less.

>>154313068
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>>154318078
>Kay

who?

>>154317193
Just use legacy captcha.

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>>154310868
UNRIVALIZADO

>>154317984
No need to be angry, in favourable conditions it was a great weapon.

>>154320033
>Not only that, they pretty much wrecked the Swedes whenever they faced each other on the field.
We get taught in school that we only won due to using guerilla tactics and that we lost many major battles. I doubt historic revisionism goes this way, so I suspect you are wrong.

>>154318078
I was thinking the same thing about Morgan Le Fey. I was surprised she had no appearance anyhwere since for most of Arturia's story she was pretty much her archenemy.

>>154321247
I didn't mean the Deluge, but Polish-Swedish war in the early 1600s, with battles like Kircholm.

Yes, it's true that Poland mostly run guerilla warfare during Deluge, but most of their professional army and hussars were in the east, fighting against Russia, Tatars and the cossacks. There weren't really any battles during this war were the hussars faced the Swedes. In Poland's defense, they folded like paper because they were betrayed by the Prussians and the protestants within the country while fighting on another front.

And in Sweden's defense, while they failed to secure Danzig, they did loot the country harder than they did to anyone during the viking times, and just like the vikings they retreated with gold when they noticed that the main army was coming.

>>154312264
Felt like there were several episodes missing from this.
>never beats Ashram
What was the fucking point then? I did enjoy him as a character though, and his design is great. Really nailed that adventurer look

>>154321546
There was some side manga that had a pregnant with Mordred Morgan, she didn't look great though so I doubt that will be her design

>>154312494
What is this?

>>154311943
Puppetkino

>>154324170
Reincarnation no Kaben.
Yagyu Jubei and Musashi Miyamoto vs. Julius Caeser

>>154315460
>the longsword was a sidearm
Very wrong, please leave.

>>154314304
Somehow Spain and its former colonies always manage to fuck up hard

>>154312035

>koreans actually have the smallest penises in the known world

>>154312859
Muskets are actually really powerful. Their caliber ranged from 0.5 to 1, the same as modern day heavy mgs.
Sure we have all kinds of AP and other specialized rounds that can do all kinds of harm but people seriously underestimate the damage of early guns. Hell the first guns were basically handheld cannons.

>>154325950
So they were shit in literally every single aspect but how powerful they were?

>>154326038
Yeah, that's why they coexisted with bows for such a long time.

>>154326102
>>154326038
>>154325950
Weren't muskets just pommel firing sticks?

>>154312035
Why do people post these unfunny proxyfag /int/ posts? It's just retards roleplaying.

>>154311921
They made a sequel to Team America World Police?

>>154326038
They lost energy fairly quick compared to modern bullets due to shape.
They would still tear a fist sized hole in you at 100 yards, and were certainly able to kill you even further if you could hit anything with it.

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my katana gets me pussy

>>154325950
Muskets are not powerful relative to any modern gun. Their large bullets are the product of the technological limitations of the period.

Let me explain. This is the formula for kinetic energy: K.E. = 1/2m * v2. As you can see, velocity has a significantly greater effect on kinetic energy than mass does. It is the reason why a varmint round like .223 out of a 16'' barrel will do far more damage than a .45 ACP out of a 5'' barrel despite making a much smaller hole. How does this relate to muskets specifically?

The metallurgy of your typical musket barrel is a complete joke compared to that of any barrel of modern production. An actual vintage musket barrel would be unable to withstand the high pressures created by lightweight bullets loaded extremely hot (as is the case with an AR firing .223), which meant that your only option for increasing your kinetic energy was making your bullets larger. Furthermore, the gunpowder of the period was black powder. It is much, MUCH weaker per volume than the smokeless powder that replaced it, and, as a result, the upper limits of performance for black powder are comparatively low.

TLDR: Muskets are not powerful compared to modern guns. They fire a large bullet, but it is a large bullet travelling very slowly.

>>154325950
Sure, the bullets were big as fuck, but the ballistics of old balls were utter shit. They were slow and black powder is extremely weak compared to modern propellants.
Size =/= power.

>>154326766
>>154326852
Modern bullets go a lot faster and can have more energy behind them but often they simply over-penetrate.
A lead ball also flattens on impact, making more of a concussive strike rather than a piercing.
Some comparisons between modernish rifles and muskets.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19485111

>>154327132
Old musket/Minie balls did not yaw or fragment, however.

Would a kevlar vest provide better protection thank a simple plate harness against late medieval weaponry?

I think it would fare pretty well especially against slashing and piercing attacks, less so for blunt ones.

>>154327798
>Would a kevlar vest provide better protection thank a simple plate harness against late medieval weaponry?

No, unless you are specifically talking about an arquebus. Kevlar is actually completely worthless as a protection against any kind of edged weapon, which is precisely why people who work an environment where both firearms and edged weapons are a threat, like prison guards, actually are issued special vests of different construction that are designed to be resistant to both gunfire and slashing/stabbing attacks.

>watch fate/zero
>skip every part with saber in it
>feel like i've lost nothing in the overall story
it was a good decision, the second i saw her i knew she was a shit character