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>sales thread
Yeah, this will be a good thread.

>>154301315
Because jojo generals are much better, huh?

>>154302245
>Because maidshitdragon generals are much better, huh?

ftfy

>>154302245
Wet poop is worse than dry poop.

>>154302292
>Because maiddragon baiting is so much better, huh?
Fixed that for you.

>>154302245
>>154302292
>My dog took a shit on the couch I guess I will too!

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>>154302245
False equivalence. I will never be able to get this logic, if there is any.

>>154302295
>Wet poop is worse than dry poop.
No it isn't. Wet poop is better because there always some retard who step on it. And that's funny.
Same with sales threads and the people who take them seriously.

>>154302426
How is some asshole stepping in wet poop and tracking it into my home every 3 hours funny?

>>154300993
That looks kinda consistent? I mean I know it's bad but not like there is a big drop

>>154302459
It funny for me, the spectator.

>>154302461
If anything, what's kind of surprising is just how poorly it did in the first place. You would have expected from how vocal the fanbase is that at the very least the first volume would have sold at least 1k.

>>154302496
Only because your're retarded enough to think vocal fanbase on /a/ means anything to japan.

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>>154300993
Yes it flop
And yes it is still AOTS

I never liked this but goddamn does it show that /a/ cannot be bothered by sales threads

>>154302354
My logic is that sale threads are more entertaining than circlejerking generals.
As you can see, my logic is pretty simple.

>>154300993
It was fucking boring with forgettable characters. People watch anime for entertainment, no philosophical bullshit.

What you expect?

>>154302646
Reminder Flip Flappers wasn't even close to being voted /a/'s AotY when you filtered out people who watch less than 5 anime a season.

>>154302680
Are you saying that /a/ watches more than 4 anime a season?

>>154302680
>filtered out people who watch less than 5 anime a season
Then why wasn't it popular on reddit or MAL?

>>154302680
t. buttblasted Redditor:Zerofag

>>154302654
Which is nonetheless still full of shit. They are both rubbish threads and your argument of it's entertaining to me so it's ok can be applied by those jojofags too.

>>154302680
>filtered out people who watch less than 5 anime a season
>filtered out casuals
I'm not seeing what's so bad about that.

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>>154302496
What's your deal?

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Here we go.

>>154302700
Reddit was all over Flip Floppers.

>>154302739
He is a cancerous tripfag whoring attention on an anonymous forum.

>>154302739
>pinoy tripfag being a hypocrite and lambasting others for doing the same thing he himself has done
Nothing new.

>>154302724
>They are both rubbish threads and your argument of it's entertaining to me so it's ok can be applied by those jojofags too.
Yes, and if I have to deal with rubbish threads, I'll just pick the ones I like the most. I don't get why it's so hard to understand.

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>>154302761
>reddit
>liking blatant sexualization of middle school girls

>>154302761
Reddit was all over Re:Zero and this is not even debatable

>>154302798
Many people think your threads are just as rubbish and deserved to be purged just as well. I don't get why it's so hard to understand.

Remember, you're the one who bring up jojo. You're the one who decided to turn this into an us vs them shit. Kind of appropriate that you like sales threads since it's basically /a/'s equivalent of console wars where both sides pretend their side's shit doesn't stink.

>>154302710
>>154302724
It's the casuals who liked Flip Flappers & ReZero. Once they were filtered out, Ange Vierge took it's proper place as AotY.

>>154302913
I miss Ange Vierge

>>154302913
>Once they were filtered out, Ange Vierge took it's proper place as AotY.
>Ange Vierge
Nice history revisionism.

Or put your trip back, fucking pinoy.

Fuck off.
OP, I genuinely hope you get banned.

>>154302947
Look at the poll yourself if you don't believe me.
>Or put your trip back, fucking pinoy.
Fuck off. I'm an American, not that retarded tipfaggot.

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>v1 total 71,470
>v2 total 63,663
>v3 total 55,194

>>154302761
That's one weird way of spelling Re:Zero. Flop Floppers was super niche outside of /a/, and for good reason.

>>154302978
>American has to make up fake polls
Sad!

>talking about Reddit
>caring about Reddit

Just stop

>>154302897
>Many people think your threads are just as rubbish and deserved to be purged just as well. I don't get why it's so hard to understand.
>deserved to be purged
I think the same about generals, but no one purge them and no one purge sales threads, so what's your point? They have their fun, I have my fun. Peace peace

>remember, you're the one who bring up jojo
>you're the one who decided to turn this into an us vs them shit
>kind of appropriate that you like sales threads since it's basically /a/'s equivalent of console wars where both sides pretend their side's shit doesn't stink.
Oh boy, oh boy. Looks like you are the dude who would always step on the fresh shit and get mad. Glad to see you on sales threads.

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>>154302995
Well if you wanna play that game...

>>154303062
>They have their fun, I have my fun.
>Peace peace
Again, says the guy who tried to start the fight in the first place

>Oh boy, oh boy. Looks like you are the dude who would always step on the fresh shit and get mad.
Look in the mirror. You did that very thing. First. Hell, I wasn't even the guy you were originally arguing with, just jumped in to point out your hypocrisy.

>>154303006
Go back to /pol/ you fucking retard.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TTw2XnBIml4V9Bq_2hu9iUonvd0mteXb_zV60E_Wtcw/edit#gid=1589557488

>>154303062
>so what's your point?
His point is that you don't get to act like you have the high ground. You DID bring up jojo generals and then you get mad when others called you out on that.

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>Flip Floppers

>>154302295
all poops are once wet poops when they come out, what is your point?

Flip Flappers was both too adult and too childish. Add in yuri undertones and only a specific niche demographic would be into it.

>>154303196
I'm pretty sure if you removed the yuri it would be even less popular.

>>154303196
It was a work of art, not a work of a business man

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>>154303117
>Again, says the guy who tried to start the fight in the first place
Christ. You really don't get it.

>ook in the mirror. You did that very thing. First. Hell, I wasn't even the guy you were originally arguing with, just jumped in to point out your hypocrisy.
Don't pretend to own a crystal ball if you don't want to ridicule yourself

>>154303264
>not using Tomorrow

>>154303287
>browsing in a dimly lit basement

>>154303229
I agree, if you took the yuri undertones off it'd have even less appeal, besides being an integral part of the story

The only things I found interesting in this series were the spooky episode and Yayaka's sweet thighs.
I hope Ryohei Takeshita gets more roles. His New Game episodes were great as well.

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>>154303374
May S2 bring us a bountiful gayness

>>154303374
>The only things I found interesting in this series were the spooky episode and Yayaka's sweet thighs.
My nigga

>>154303401
Is this fanmade? It looks really good

>>154300993
>01巻　*,883　17.01.06
Fuck yeah exactly 1 frt

>>154303504
We fucking saved anime again

>>154302943
So do I.
When's the next "retarded girls do retarded things" show?

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>>154303553
It's airing right now.

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Wait people on /a/ actually like flip flappers?

Why?
The characters were all hackneyed tropes and the plots was all over the fucking place. It had its moments (desert ep mostly) but the overall product was a complete shitshow.

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>>154303582
The girls were gay

>>154303582
Were you living under a rock?

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>>154303582
>the plots was all over
Retard detected.

>>154303582
>It had its moments (desert ep mostly)
I don't like Flip Flappers either, but stick to Triggershit, kid.

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Studio 3Hz doesn't deserve this. I liked all their anime

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>>154303374
The latter episodes almost made me forget how good the earlier episodes were. The snow episode, the bunny episode, the Mad Max episode, the spooky episode and the one with multiple Papikas were all fucking perfect and I won't hear a word against them. I don't hate the last five episodes, but they definitely feel like they're from a different, lower-quality anime. Flip Flappers was excellent at creating atmosphere, but there was something wrong with how they added plot right at the end. Probably the biggest indication of this is that they used the exact same "Papika accidentally refers to Cocona as Mimi" cliffhanger in three consecutive episodes. It's like they had to finish the story they'd written, but they didn't really know how.

>>154303602
I wasn't on /a/ much last season.
>>154303604
I got the gist of what it was SUPPOSED to be but so many things were left to assumptions.
The title of the anime itself was a random asspull with literally zero explanation. The fuck was flipflapping even supposed to be?
>>154303601
I get this feeling this is what it boils down to..
>>154303613
I don't even know how to interpret this insult.
Clearly I don't spend enough time on /a/. It's probably for the best.

>>154303697
>I don't even know how to interpret this insult.
Stick to poorly written anime that consist of all flash and no substance.

>>154303631
Sora no Method was kinda mediocre and that sci-fi one they did was unrepentant trash.
Flifla is the first thing they've done that could be considered good

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>>154303715
Are you seriously implying flip flappers of all things had substance?..

>>154303731
Method was really cute

>>154303742
You have to read Jung and Mein Kampf to understand Flip Flappers

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>>154303697
>with literally zero explanation
So you are one of these guys that can't appreciate a vidual media not spoonfeeding you every little information with tedious plot dumps. Sometimes there is no meaning behind what they yell.

The only legitimate complain would be leaving too much out on how Papika ended with Flip Flappers. Or what Nyus purpose was.

>>154303680
I found those cliffhangers annoying because it seemed so unnatural that every single time she made the slip, it was right at the cutoff of an episode. Like, why did Papika never react to a glowing shard and make the slip during the middle of an episode or while they were doing something?

They just weren't ready to give us an immediate reaction by Cocona, which bothers me because it really was just delaying a big plot reveal while they got a few more episodes out of the way.

Hell, the whole "I accidentally confused you with my previous introverted, blue-haired PI adventure partner" was such a cheap setup for the Mimi reveal in the first place. Like seriously, that's just a viewer gut punch for anyone that's gotten invested in the friendship between the protagonists and it ended up being a relatively inconsequential detail that was rapidly left behind once HAPPENING happened.

>>154303680
It needed to either stick to a theme or stay with the episodic, random nature of the earlier episodes in my opinion. With no central theme the plot becomes meh but forcing a plot just kind of ruins the fun nature of the show.

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>>154303791
>Or what Nyus purpose was.
Wow you mean that thing they totally glossed over and didn't explain at all bugged you?
Wow you must be one of these guys that can't appreciate a visual media not spoonfeeding you every little information with tedious plot dumps

>>154303697
>I got the gist of what it was SUPPOSED to be but so many things were left to assumptions.
There are a lot of valid reasons to hate Flip Flappers, but this isn't one of them. Please don't ask for everything to be spoonfed to you. I want more anime like Flip Flappers' first few episodes, which either explained things through subtext or not at all and did a lot of visual storytelling. Too many shows just drop an autist-level infodump on you, where all the rules of their dumb fantasy universe are explained to you in exquisite detail instead of being revealed naturally as the story unfolds.

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>Cockona

>>154303836
It was a joke, anon. Sorry for posting an inside joke. We managed to collect a lot of them over the time the show was airing. It was kinda fun

>>154303866
I leave /a/ for one season and I'm already blinded by the haze of irony and contrarianism.

/a/ustim is such a complex culture.

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>>154303781
>Mein Kampf
But the immaculate, genetically tailored aryan beauty lost in the end.

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>>154303904
It's great, isn't it.

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COCONA!

>>154302710
>t.
Crossboarder filth detected.

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>>154304056
Yayaka has BROAD MAN SHOULDERS

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>>154304056
Yayaya!

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>>154304094
She also has a very BIG BICEPS

Whatcha gonna do about it, puppy?

>>154303840
ConRevo was like that during its whole run, too bad it flopped as well.

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>>154304178
>Whatcha gonna do about it, puppy?
Probably wrap her long legs around her girlfriend and continue making out. It's a shame stocky little Yayaka can't do the same with those stubs she calls legs.

Unlucky for her, Cocona prefers girls that actually look like girls.

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>>154304299
>those stubs she calls legs
You mean these animal abusers? She has nice and fit legs and a tight ass. Everyone agrees.

Papika will just grow useless tits when she's old and busted.

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>>154304387
>useless
Oh don't worry, I'm sure Yayaka's former best friend will be able to think of a few good uses for them.

Meanwhile the only thing tight about Yayaka's ass is the stick lodged up it.

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Reminder to those who can't into visual storytelling that Flip Flappers is actually 26 episodes long.

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>>154304440
>former best friend
Funposting aside, I think Cocona and Yayaka are still best friends at the end of the show. Papika didn't replace her, because, even Oshiyama said this, Papicoco are "more than friends". There is still room for this friendship.

>>154300993
This is just further proof that it really was AOTY. Plus, the threads would be ruined if they were invaded by the shiteaters who watch more than 5 shows per season

>>154304567
Have you ever had a best friend who got a girlfriend? It's never the same

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>>154304950
Yes, I have friends that are actually able to talk to girls. They have less time for me when they are in relationship, but they remain best friends.

No excuse me, I need to flagellate myself for blogposting.

>>154304607
This. People who watch anime don't have any place here.

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>>154304607
>>154305279
Is this funposting?

Still waiting for that henshin Papika figure...

>>154305386
Papika's figure was cancelled because the world is unfair

>>154305425
Citation needed

>>154305448
I remember reading it somewhere

>>154305508
Probably in a shitpost.
I've consulted buyfag general and they say Medicos are lazy and their figures take a while

>people surprised that a show flops when the entire script consists of
>COCONAAA
>PAPIKAA
>COCONAAA
>PAPIKAAA
>COCONA!
>PAPIKA!
>COCONA COCONA COCONA

>>154305579
Okay, pr 101: people can't buy what they don't know about

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>>154305579
>he doesn't have a degree in Jungian psycho analysis to understand the deep and intricate plot of Flip Flappers

>>154305579
They also say "MIMI" a couple times
Followed quickly by "DAIKIRAI"

>>154305630
Relying on the Jungian psych graduate demographic to carry sales was a mistake.

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All said and done, flip flappers is like an unique gem of anime, almost brilliant, but definitely not for everyone.
Kinda like Jinrui wa Suitaishimashita, another brilliant masterpiece but most people simply can't understand it.

>>154304950
This. Once an introvert comes out of their shell and learns they can actually talk to their gender of preference and form sexual relationships, they basically forget all about their former friends and those close interpersonal relationships they once valued and swing to the other extreme. Cocona will spend a few years being a vapid and shallow social butterfly, propped up by the confidence boost and emotional support of her girlfriend, and her stake in Yayaka and their friendship will fall until she's just another thing to smile at and make empty conversation with while seeking some kind of praise or validation. She'll be taken completely for granted. Cocona's a late bloomer, and a neglected orphan so her reasons for being introverted are pretty artificial and will disappear completely with time and support (like the kind she's getting unconditionally from Papika).

It's especially bad when that breaking of the introvert shell is accompanied by a coming out of the closet. Suddenly everybody associated with their closeted life is worth absolutely nothing to them because they're too caught up in their new lifestyle and being "the 'real' me."

She never really valued Yayaka. She just needed her because she had nobody else. Now she doesn't need Yayaka anymore: she has those needs met, and has the confidence boost to find people to meet her needs without the help of the 'friends' that form the relics of her old life. She's figured out she could trade on her looks farther than she ever got with Yayaka. That's how most childhood friendships and schoolgirl crushes go.

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>>154305949
Yayakafags calm down

>>154305578
Whew I hope you are right.

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>>154306006
COCONA A SHIT
Why won't she love me?

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Just stopping by to say that Yayaka is fucking great.

I was planning to watch this, but the cancerous fanbase scared me off.

>>154306397
Your loss

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>>154306397
Oh no this random anon won't watch this show because he's a bitch, my day is ruined

>>154306397
Good.

>>154305949
Are you okay anon? You can talk to me.

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>>154306194

>>154306397
It's not worth it anyways. Terrible dialogues, even for anime standards

>>154305949
Some personal demons I see?

Why would you expect sales numbers to increase with the following volumes? It always, ALWAYS goes down unless there's an event ticket or other bonus.

Also, to the autists that still don't realize it: the WESTERN fanbase is vocal but those sales numbers aren't tracked. If you're buying from online and from overseas, that don't go towards ranking numbers. So it's probably much higher if the fans here actually bought as many BDs as they said they did but it doesn't matter either way because 3Hz was never planning to make any more.

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>>154307100
Really feeling that writer change
>>154307155
I bought the ost but paying out of the ass for bds I can't even play is just stupid

>>154300993
>dat lack of drop

We're gonna beat Girlish Number on average.

>>154307190
Same here.
With import fees and exchange rates I was looking at 1k for the box set and that just isn't sane. I bought the OST and I'll gladly buy the figure when it comes out, as well as a reasonably priced western BD release, but I have to draw the line somewhere just by virtue of financial reality.

>>154304607
Are you still salty that Flip Flappers is /a/'s AOTY and shiteaters that watch less than five anime a season had their votes removed?

>>154300993
Good. Worst show of 2016, glad it has an active hatebase all across the industry and thd whole production team is a laughing stock. This show was easily among the worst all time.

>>154307410
Nice projecting.

>>154303680
>It's like they had to finish the story they'd written, but they didn't really know how.
No, they finished the story that started from ep 1 and you didn't really know the actual story. The story literally ended in the fucking ED and that is canon confirmed by the directory. The ED is literally Hansel and Gretel and the story of flip flap is literally light-hearted fairy tales and figuratively dark archetypal conflict on both narrative and metanarrative levels between which the connection is established by the lens of Jungian interpretation as is the case for fairy tales in general.

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>>154307448
Calm down there, art's degree-san. There's no need to be upset

>>154307435
Not projecting, all of the nips hate this show and call it garbage every time it's mentioned. They're right, it was awful and rightfully hated by all of the internet outside of one or two shitposters here.

>>154307586
You sound upset

>>154307712
Actually Oshiyama's next masterpiece (collab with Yuasa) will be announced in two weeks. Truly, they are the only master auteurs we can have these days.

Is 3Gz kill?

>>154307671
I'm only upset this show is at all defended on this board.

>>154307826
I think 3Hz did fucking great in terms of production. Look at NUT, who had to put on a recap episode after fucking 6 episodes. And Look at 3Hz, who delivered everything without delay. Learn the difference.

>being this asshurted because flipflap was indisputably the AOTY

>>154307826
Apparently they were paid up-front to produce Flip Flappers and don't actually get any kickback from sales, so they have no financial stake in its success. Their finances were secure the moment they signed the deal to make it.

Now, whether or not they'll be able top find more work after 3 consecutive flops is another question entirely, but I don't doubt Infinite will come back to them again in the future since the producers seem to have gotten exactly what they wanted out of the production despite its poor sales.

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>>154307914
Their production desk must be real good at managing this huge mess.

>>154307921
Literally no one thought this

>muh rigged polls

>>154307967
It's worth noting that part of the reason Flifla had so many key animators is that it had the largest number of drawings per episode of any anime that season (yes, even more than eupho) and in some cases by a large margin.

Also the studiowars threads won't tell you this, but charts like that don't include in-house animators. The disproportionately high numbers for certain studios relate to their relative staff size and the degree to which they outsource, which is why tiny studios like 3Hz and MAPPA, as well as studios prone to significant outsourcing like Sunrise all have higher numbers, and kyoani, a studio that uses salaried in-house labour almost exclusively, seems unnaturally low.

>>154308155
>the largest number of drawings per episode of any anime that season
6000/ep. Right.
Name another anime with key frame number higher than this?

>>154308231
I think they broke 11k with episode 3

>>154308252
6000 is the overall average.

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>>154303582
>It had its moments (desert ep mostly)
This is the key point, actually. Those who don't suffer from acute congenital nipponitis, and therefore like more than one flavor to their cartoons, liked most of it. But people come and say "only episode 3 was good" or "only episode 5 was good" or "only episode 8 was good," and never notice that the only way all those statements can be true is if the whole show is good, even if you obviously can't like every episode as much as your own favorite.

It Flipped
It Flapped
It Flopped

Not a bad show actually save for the forced drama later on.

>>154303697
>The title of the anime itself was a random asspull with literally zero explanation.
This guy get's it. How can anyone watch an anime where the title of all things is weird. Clearly it must be shit.

>>154303613
>watching anime for plot instead of for well directed standoff/action sequences in cool environments
Why even do this to yourself? Episode 3 takes full advantage of animation as a medium, it's what anime should strive to be.

>>154308888
quads speak truth

>>154309053
By this logic you have no reason to watch anime at all when stuff like this exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVbeoSPqRs4

>>154309053
Flip Floppers took not only full advantage of the medium for the action sequences, it also shines with visual story telling.

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>>154302680
>imblyign there are more than 5 anime each season worth picking up

>>154309271
It literally did not have characters or a story. It was the most pretentious show in a decade.

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>>154309280
Friendly reminder that among respondents who had watched an average of 25 anime per season, Ange Vierge was AOTY.

>>154309280
Typical FlipFla fan. Assumes all anime are shit without knowing anything about them, abuses greentext, and posts Gaiashit reaction images.

>>154309368
>Gaiashit
Gee, there's an insult that brings back memories.

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>>154309313
>a show about flip flapping
>pretentious
I take this as an excuse to post pictures.

>>154309313
I don't think you're even near the level where you can legitimately call it pretentious. The label is reserved for those who have taken symbolism 101 but failed at seeing the big picture.

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>>154309419

7 8 6
8
6

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>>154309342

People who enjoy scrapping the bottom of the barrel like a bottom of the barrel show. What a surprise.

>>154307448
>No, they finished the story that started from ep 1
Agreed. It's tiresome to see "the last half sucks and everyone agrees" in every thread.
Both halves were made better by the other.

I'll admit I didn't like flip flappers at first. But it grew on me really fast and ended up being my aots. /a/ just has shit taste

>>154312479
it was /a/'s AOTY though.
Anything popular on /a/ will always get a vocal hatebase.

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>>154312934
That poll might have looked differently if Re;Zero was still airing. I love love LOVE fli-fla, but I wouldn't take this seriously.

Did that /a/ sings ever get finished?

>>154313178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebIdq86QtJQ

>>154313282
I'm so going to regret this.

>>154313133
It also had the second most posting behind YOI at the time and a good deal of that honest discussion. It was probably more popular on /a/ than anywhere else save the inside of the tiny theater run it recently had and the studio itself.

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>>154313378
>and a good deal of that honest discussion
The threads were pure bliss. Some ups and downs of course, but considering that these were constant threads we managed to have some great discussion. Great anons in these threads, too.

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>>154313378
>>154313544

Flip Flaps was one of the best times I had in /a/

>>154313544
To be honest, that's part of what has made letting go of this show so difficult. The discussions and arguments and everything else that happened in these threads were amazing. I haven't genuinely enjoyed watching a show with /a/ this much since Penguindrum, and of course I have you fags to thank for that.

It'll be a long time before the conditions are just right for that to happen again and fuck if I miss it already

*deeply inhales*
Really feeling that writer change sakuga wavemotioncannon lacking expressions sodium vapour lamps was this really necessary placenta eating jung freud forced pacing Jacob Chapman Eva ripoff anyone with a different opinion is shitposting trainwreck how do we fix I wrote a song for Cocona Papicake age-gap degeneracy stalker flip flop cockona webgen asspull not even top 3 reminds me of Phantom World daisuki yuribait Yayacat dai kiai what is the purpose of nyunyu hoverboard-kun Mad Max yuri road gokigenyou Mimi ruined the series puppyka useless papika is a genius writer switch with writer Salt did nothing budget series was shit past episode 9 over the rainbow

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>>154314026
Beautiful.

>>154314026
You missed one, sadly

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>>154314026
Woudl've screen scraped it if you would've posted some meme image alongside.

>>154314026
We really went overboard with the memes

>no one remembers senpai

>>154314284
She's easily the most forgettable character

>>154314284
Especially her auntie.

>>154303401
Is there a good version of this somewhere? One that's now ruined by poor bit rate?

I looked up the file name and still didn't see it.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq2unavtufDZMPjY5SEC9UQ

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>>154314298
>>154314473
No bully.

>>154314478
Never mind. I found it.
It was a small part of a larger video.
https://youtu.be/-ay6gEPyedo?t=71

Imagine if all this effort and animation quality was put into something that needs it like Konosuba or Re:Zero and not pseudo intellectual yuri baiting trash.

>>154314914
Konosuba's animation is perfect.

>>154315002
This.

>>154315002
>>154315160

It's charm wears off really fast.

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>flip flappers
>they flip flap
>flip flapping

>>154315200
Hasn't for me (yet, anyway).

>>154313805
>Penguindrum
I only watched Penguindrum recently so I don't know what the discussion was like.

I don't think there are other anime comparable with FLFL or MPD in terms of intellectual capacity, perhaps YKA.

MPD is definitely better directed and written than FLFL. There is a lot in Ikuhara's experience that Oshiyama can learn from. The art styles are fancy in FLFL but ultimately all over the place distracting from the message Oshiyama want to convey. This is probably one of the reasons many people find their expectation of an episodic anthology thwarted by the actualization of the real plot. The lack of focus of stylish choice in early episodes moved the theme of the story into ill-defined realms and ultimately obscured the core message of show. The lack of focus is only confirmed in Oshiyama's interview where he admitted that free reign of creative control was given to different creators in early episodes.

In comparison, MPD's art style and symbolism are as focused as all of Ikuhara's works as always. The symbolism is tightly packed with the drama and contributes to the strong evocation of audiences's emotions. The symbols in FLFL are fun and interesting and evokes analytic interest, but they failed to evoke emotions, or they failed to contribute to the drama. Overall FLFL's story is weak in the drama department and I blame that on Yuniko, who is best at characterization, which is also the case for FLFL, but also weak at drama.

Even though lacking in directing skills, but FLFL's intellectual depth is comparable to MPD. FLFL taps into the deep archetypal dynamics in fairy tales and mythology to construct a hard scifi-ish world with accurate representation of respective concepts in psychodynamics and the mechanics of their interaction. The only regret is Oshiyama's ambition in creating such a world wasn't fully realized as the core message was obscured by its seemingly simplistic plot, which was forced by the need to play safe as a debuting director.

>>154315509
>I don't think there are other anime
Correction: I don't think there are other *recent* anime

is this yuri?

>>154315548
No, it's pseudo intellectual bait full of pretentious "symbolism."

>>154315509
>FLFL's intellectual depth is comparable to MPD
Hah. Newfags are pretty funny. 883 newfags are even worse.

>>154315727
>pseudo intellectual bait full of pretentious "symbolism."
So yuri, then.

>>154315877
>Newfags
Yeah, I'm only recently autistic enough to come back to this place to soothe my depression.

>>154315957
It's pretty easy to prove you know nothing about Penguindrum.
Here, answer this. Who had the apple and when?
If you're in a position to just the intellectual depth of both series you should be able to answer that with ease.

>>154316049
>Who had the apple and when?
Is everything of your question? I knew pretty well some of the meanings of the apple without looking up reference the first time I watched it but I didn't bother to do the accounting about this technical detail which didn't matter to me either way.
Don't worry, I do admit I am a newfag to Penguindrum thus I put the word "comparable" because I only came to it after I found Ikuahra's latest queer politics in YKA interesting. I do want to learn more about the family values conveyed in MPD. The character analysis though I think I've done a fair bit of it on the fly when I watched it.

>>154315509
I feel that you're overvaluing Ikuhara's experience here as his creative works are seen by many as pale imitations of his first.

Oshiyama's intent was different than Ikuhara's in the first place, he wanted a story that was enjoyable on both the surface and on further analytical levels. He may not have fully succeeded in that but he definitely improved on the Ikuhara formula in that regard.

I don't think the shows multiple art styles are anything but a great strength either. Creativity and the exploration of differing views are central to the show and the changing art styles support that. Oshiyama giving his crew more free reign is definitely not a weakness either as I feel he was able to get more out of them because of it.

It's too bad that the analysis of Flip Flap didn't evoke emotion in you but there's clear evidence of it succeeding to do so in many others who took the time. The only difference between it and an Ikuhara work is that Oshiyama didn't first work on a huge project like sailor moon and doesn't have the benefit of years of time to analyze and build up the expectation of analysis being necessary.

I feel like 'weak in the drama department' is a very subjective criticism as well, and it certainly doesn't hold up in my case. Nor does the idea that the "core message was obscured" by the plot. Flip flap had a bunch of things it wanted to say and said them very clearly if you knew to pay attention, most people just didn't expect to have to.

>>154300993

Can a Studio like this take such bad sales and survive?

>>154316286
>Is everything of your question
Is this English?

>queer politics
Jesus Christ, leave and never come back to this place.

>I put the word "comparable"
It's not even close.

>>154316395
They already got paid before the show started airing.

>>154316367
>overvaluing Ikuhara's experience
I'm just talking about directing skills.
>he wanted a story that was enjoyable on both the surface and on further analytical levels
I knew, but did he connect the two well? That is the issue.
>analysis of Flip Flap didn't evoke emotion in you
You're mistaken. It is a fact that the symbolism FLFL didn't evoke emotions in a majority of the audiences and I've been still trying to come up with an explanation for the fact. I can legitimately tell you I was among the most emotionally impacted crowd and I was in deep cognitive dissonance trying to accommodate to the fact that most people failed to realize the greatness of FLFL.
>'weak in the drama department' is a very subjective criticism
It is subjective, right, but it is my evaluation after reviewing all of Yuniko's works. Only after watching MPD did I realize how exactly symbolism can mesh with with drama.
>core message was obscured
It's a fact. The message failed to be convey to most audiences. It doens't matter that I understand it.
>if you knew to pay attention
You're mistaken again. I wrote most of the Jungian and fairy tales stuff around here. I'm sure I am the single one who has done the most amount of research among all FLFL viewers.

Did any anime in 2016 have a better soundtrack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtuLniq1Qjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UjxHdJiZtQ

>>154316652
>You're mistaken
I'll accept my mistake there, but my point about how the show does succeed in evoking emotions in the more analytical watcher is being made by your example.

>You're mistaken again
I wasn't claiming you were personally unable to understand, I was making a claim about the casual viewing audience.

>The message failed to be convey to most audiences.
Ikuhara's work has that same problem with casual audiences even though he has the benefit of both time and a built in audience due to his work on a more popular project. I don't have figures on hand but even with all Ikuhara's advantages YKA sold quite poorly and I don't recall MPD being very financially successful either.

>I knew, but did he connect the two well?
I think the fact that he connected them too well is why casual audiences didn't find the enjoyment that the more analysis inclined audiences did.

I think the show suffers less from the accessibility problem that Ikuhara's stuff has but suffers more from poor marketing and a lack of the expectation of the need for deeper analysis.

>I'm sure I am the single one who has done the most amount of research among all FLFL viewers.
did you write the doc?

>>154305949
Wrong thread, pal

This is NOT a Kuzu no Honkai thread

>>154300993

don't let it sink into oblivion!!!

www.infinitedayo.jp/shop/work/frifra/ff012.html#

>>154309271
>visual storytelling
In other words, the actual writing was a mess and the characters were so dull and lacked motivation that you made shit up from background art.

>>154317184
>succeed in evoking emotions in the more analytical watcher
It didn't evoke emotions by allowing me doing rational analysis of the symbols. It evoked my emotions with characters's emotions, which is, of course, part of the drama. I was personally satisfied with the drama part though.

>I was making a claim about the casual viewing audience
Well okay, my observation to the opposite is admittedly also anecdotal but it was definitely one made without selection bias.

>YKA sold quite poorly and I don't recall MPD being very financially successful
MPD has 7,665 per volume sales which should be considered success. This is also why I could claim MPD connected with the audiences well.

>did you write the doc?
Starting with * are books that I've read to completion.
*Birkhäuser-Oeri, Sibylle. The Mother: Archetypal Image in Fairy Tales. Toronto: Inner City Books, 1988.
*Franz, Marie-Louise von. Shadow and Evil in Fairy Tales. Zürich: Spring Publications, 1974.
*Franz, Marie-Louise von. The Interpretation of Fairy Tales. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 1996.
Jung, Carl Gustav. The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1981.
Kawai, Hayao. 昔話の深層 ユング心理学とグリム童話. 講談社, 1994.
*Neumann, Erich. The Great Mother: An Analysis of the Archetype. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1972.

Still conviced half of the shit the show gets comes from people that made the "flop" wordplay when it started airing and now feel clever because they "called it".

People who hate the last few episodes are just angry that the show turned out to have a plot

>>154317374
I get people who don't like the deepfag analysis stuff, but having visual storytelling in some form is fucking basic.
If you think people who got something out of this just imagine things and that visual storytelling is something only the few most intelligent show manage to include you are retarded.

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>>154303582
It started out great, episodes 3, 5 and 6 were all amazing. Then it just kind of tapered off.

But in that time period it picked up enough of a following on /a/ that became very dedicated to it because of the perception that it was being overlooked by the rest of the internet. So people formed a really strong connection with the show because they felt like they were all sharing in some kind of rare fruit that nobody else could appreciate.

Once it started sucking, these people began autistically defending the show like it was their girlfriend.

>>154317756
>has shit taste
>posts worst yuru
pottery

>>154303168
I wish she was the MC of this show. Or that we'd get a spin-off for her.

>>154317756
With "Once it started sucking" you mean it wasn't as great as the start, but still very good and with "autistically defending" you mean unfortunately replying to dedicated shitposters that finally found something they could latch on, right?

>>154317861
So people who disliked the second half of Flip Flappers are all "dedicated shitposters?"

>>154317624
>anyone who recognizes something I like is bad must be rationally angry
This is my least favorite meme on the internet.

>>154317490
>It didn't evoke emotions by allowing me doing rational analysis of the symbols.

for me each aspect of the show worked better because of the support of the other.

>I was personally satisfied with the drama part though.
then why state:
>Overall FLFL's story is weak in the drama department

>7,665 per volume sales
way more successful than I thought I'll admit, but it also had a lot more going from a marketing and staff draw standpoint. I felt YKA was roughly it's equal in terms of quality yet it performed much less solidly even with far superior marketing to flip flappers.

I still don't understand how the marketing description for flip flappers got written and released. Most people I saw who read that went in expecting a one of the most by the numbers shows of the season. If that was how I discovered the show I would have thought the same thing. Luckily I stumbled across sulphur lamps on /a/ but most don't have that luxury.

>books that I've read to completion
neat. Whoever put together that doc might still give you a run for your money though.

>>154317756
i like episode 1-8 much more then what came after, but i still really like the show, probably on my top 3.
I agree with most of what you said, except that the thread during the later episodes barely anyone said they were better or equally good.
The autistic defending mostly came after autistic attacks from everyone else.
After all is settled i'm ok with Flip FLappers becomming a cult show for those who enjoyed it, hope 3hz will make more money in the future though.

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Needed more Bu-chan

>>154317917
No, not necessarily. The impression I got from polls and anons after everything calmed down a bit, like this guy >>154318027 was that most still like the last story episodes, overall most just think they weren't as good as the first ones. At the same time when these story episodes aired the shitposting on airing days got out of hand. So there is a high chance that you are just repeating what what you heard other anons where posting for (You)'s.

>>154318123
I was one of the posters in those threads, anon. I remember being accused of shitposting whenever I expressed negative opinions. It was pretty irritating. I also remember people assuming I was the same person as other people who agreed with me.

>>154318180
>I remember being accused of shitposting whenever I expressed negative opinions
The same happened to me. I warmed up to the story episodes later. This is just how much shitposting there was.

>>154318123
there was also a large faction who liked the last few episodes just as much. The large amount of shitposting surrounding the whole thing makes it difficult to accurately depict majority.

>>154318003
>then why state:
My personal preference is different from the standards of general appeal.

>don't understand how the marketing description for flip flappers got written and released
The producer had difficulty explaining it to sponsors but he did get funding anyway, which I think was meant to make it auteur-ish to some extent.

>>154318277
>>154318180
We had so much shitposting that almost all negative aspects had been discussed to death. See this list
>really feeling that writer change
>episodic good plot bad
>webgen explosions
>nothing outside the animation, sadly
>series composition was fired
>is this really necessary
>flopping hard at amazon stalker
>not even top 3
>age gap pedophilia oyakodon fetuscon degeneracy
>yuribait
>phantom world 2.0
>ripping off evangelion
>mediocre facial expressions
>Jacob Chapman
>asspull deus ex machina

If you were not posting something new and just shitting on it without a certain level of constructive criticism it would be indistinguishable from ironic shitposting and unironic shitposting.

>>154318123
Second reply guy here.
The story episodes didn't cause the shitposting though.
I remember early thread were great, barely anyone had somethign negative to say and the hype was pretty big. This began to change after the "writer change" meme came along with episode 7.
Compared to episode 9-13 the difference in quality wasn't big though.
I personally think the thematic followup of 7 after 6 was the best writing the show has and 8 was worked well as a fun adventure like 1 and 3 did.
Pretty sure it's more a thing about the general reputation of the show that got worse over time instead of people waiting for flaws.

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>>154318391
>age gap pedophilia oyakodon fetuscon degeneracy

I remember this.

>>154318391
yup. Also see
>>154314026
some of those are more fun though.

>>154303582
I masturbate to lolis, and this show had the best lolis of this season (bonus points for yuri). What else does it need?

>>154318180
>I also remember people assuming I was the same person as other people who agreed with me
sure this wasn't that crack-kun guy?

>>154318681
Considering crack-kun doesn't exist and it's just you shitposting, yeah, pretty sure. I get that you're a creepy failure at life with nothing else to do and that every day you do nothing but think about your boogieman, but try to remember that this board is for anime discussion, it's not your personal soap box. Literally no one wants you derailing threads with your meta.

>>154318923
>boogieman
Here we go.

>>154318308
>My personal preference is different from the standards of general appeal.
your tone in that first post seemed more like a personal opinion than a generalization to me. I guess tone doesn't always carry over text.

the idea that there wasn't enough drama for general appeal doesn't ring true to me though. I don't think a lack of drama was what lead to Flip Flap's lack of general audience success.

I think it was more poor marketing, lack of names and confusion about the plot based on an unwillingness to engage with the analytical side of the show, (partially due to not having expected the need for it).

Besides even if it didn't have drama (I think it had plenty) many more light hearted shows achieve general audience success.

>>154318968
Yes? Is that term new to you? It's a very old idiom that means to blame a threat/problem on something that is imaginary/not real.
How ignorant can you be?

>>154318923
This was fast.
I won't do anything form now that could result in a derailed thread, how about you?

>>154302245
Yes.

>>154319099
Considering you're already samefagging and are the one who started meta posting in the first place, I have a pretty hard to believing you will never shit up threads again in the future.

>>154319024
>there wasn't enough drama
There was enough drama, but it was weak if compared to MPD.

>lack of general audience success
It's not the lack of drama. Weak drama is the reason of poor reception among casual audiences who have seen this. Lack of marketing etc is the reason for not having wider audience.

>>154319233
I wouldn't even call it drama really.
If they wanted drama they could have gone with better options, like Salts relationship to Cocona, Papikas aging or more about their lab live. Instead we got mild struggles of Mimi nobody really cared for because she became the villian. Everything ended well and the tragic stuff got barely mentioned.
Coconas struggles with Papika and Yayaka were ok at first, but then she got brainwashed and when she woke up everythign was ok again.
If they intended serious drama they would have me by the hook but this was just a bit of inconvenience

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>>154313378
Don't forget, YOI had a lot of sameposting. Poster counts in FliFla threads were consistently much higher.

Am I too late for the shitposting?

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>>154318536
Every now and again I'll see or read something that reminds me just how wonderfully weird this transcendental predator was

>>154320009
now that i think about it again...
Di she actually loose her memory or did she just don't care because she was a woman child anyway?

>>154319960
No, it's always shit when you're posting.

>>154319233
>it was weak if compared to MPD.

I don't agree.

>Weak drama is the reason of poor reception among casual audiences who have seen this.

I really don't agree. I think the audience weren't primed to care about the analytical side so they didn't connect with it and thus missed more than half the experience because of how the two sides of the show support one another, the poor marketing has a role to play in that.

whatever, personal opinions I guess.

>>154320120
She had lost her memory and was de-aged to Cocona'a age anyway. Memes aside, she's only an adult in terms of time passed, she's a teenager in both body and mind.

>>154320120
she lost her memory and when she regained it she decided that she was a separate person than the one before but added a lot of that person to her "self".

>>154320253
>>154320273
I wasn't serious but now i actually like this whole thing a bit more.
I mean Papika actually didn't change at all after remembering this stuff, they barely mention it.
I remember some peopel talking about rebirth and i didn't liek the thought since it was mostly amnesia, but i guess besides memories and basic personality traits there isn't much left of the old Papika

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>>154319960

>>154320120
She actually lost her memory.
Or to be more precise, she was de-aged to the point of being an infant, and her memories reversed to that of an infant too. She re-lived her life essentially reborn.

The only reason she regained her memories of her past life is because of the power of the shards interfered. Those memories weren't like trapped in her brain waiting to be brought back up like an amnesia patient, they were completely gone from her because she had physically reverted to a point before she had experienced those memories and restarted her life from there. The memories persisted to some extent within the fragments.

I think the reason Papika didn't change so much after remembering is that she didn't remember her whole past life, she just got back enough tidbits from the fragments to piece together what the audience learns in the flashback. Like, she didn't remember living 19 years of her life and learning all the lessons and experiences those 19 years would bring, but she did remember being a kid in the lab 20 years ago, remembered meeting Mimi and Salt, remember being their friend and caring deeply for them, remembered adventuring in PI and ruining Salt's dad and running away with Mimi and etc.

The memories themselves probably didn't even feel like they were her memories, but the knowledge that they were her memories and that there was all this background and tragedy she had been unaware of is what provoked her little scene of stargazing angst in episode 10.

>>154320683
This actually sounds like a suprisingly fresh spin on the whole rebirth/amnesia trope, even though it isn't that different.
They could probably have done interesting stuff with this, too bad there's only a bit of this on subtext level.

>>154320897
I think the last few episodes were just so jam packed with stuff that they didn't have enough time left to really develop these ideas. We pretty much only get that one short scene of Papika seeming upset after remembering and then it's like the whole thing is sidelined.

Really makes me wonder what Flip Flappers could have been like as a 2 cours show.

>>154320942
Yeah, maybe 3hz's next work is one of those mediocre shows that for some reason get really popular and they invest some of the money to give us a movie recap of episode 9-13, maybe they even continue the eva meme and we get rebuild movies.
Probably not, but i can still hope.

>>154321061
>Flip Flap movies
Don't make me want things I can't have, anon.

Since nips dont really care about gaijin are we supposed to care about the buying habits of nips?

After you decide "nips have shit taste" where do you go from there?

>>154318391
What is the point of "constructive criticism" when the creators almost certainly aren't reading these threads?

>>154321192
Because the creators aren't the only ones who benefit from hearing constructive criticism

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>>154300993
>01巻　*,883　17.01.06

>>154321099
Yeah, sorry =/
But maybe Oshiyama will get insanely popular somehow and also feels a deep bond to his first directed show, so he does some new stuff with it and suddenly everyone likes it... ?
I'm not giving up.

>>154303144
Not him but that doc is cancer for my eyes, KYS if you made that.

>>154321857
>that doc is cancer for my eyes
frightened by the numbers? bad memories about math classes revisited?

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>>154302837
>>154302842
>>154303002
>super niche outside of /a/
It's like you people weren't even in the fucking threads after Episode 3. The reason it wasn't all over reddit was because reddit was in all of the threads. Flip Flappers threads were downright cancerous, and it seems that still hasn't changed.

>>154323272
Re:Zero was both reddit in the threads and all over reddit.

>>154305925
I agree with you but the statement makes us seem like holier than though hipsters. Reword it immediately.

Is this what happens when you fall in love with something that is not popular holy shit. I'm not even trying to be hipster here

>>154324897
That was a bait post, anon.

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>>154325020
Oh look a cute wedding yayakat!

>>154300993
Proof of how irrelevant our taste is. And shoujo ai, for that matter.

>>154323272
Which fucking threads were you in?

>>154323272
Stop being butthurt about this being popular here, there's no reason anyone would leave Reddit to come here to talk about fucking Flip Flappers of all things

>>154325219
Shoujos are incapable of ai

>>154323272
>because reddit was in all of the threads
Provide proof or youre just a buzzword spewing newfag.

>>154325270
>caring about identity on an anonymous image board
it's a meaningless buzzword anyway

Sold just as much as SamFlam did.

Are we ever going to get figmas? I didn't enjoy the ending as much as the rest of the show but I'd love to get all three of the Flappers on my desk.

>>154320683
This doesn't explain how Papika became smarter and more well spoken after she got her memories back. She also acted more grounded and less feral in general.

>>154327363
No. Only popular shows get figmas from the most popular figure maker Good Smile Company.

>>154328447
low quality bait
The production committee has a figure company. It is just slow.

>>154328576
Read again. FIGMAS are not all figurines.
Some figurines are figmas.

Is anyone else getting, "upload failed"? Did hiroshimoot fry the image servers again?

>>154329926
Behold the girth of Cockona.
>2.89MB per shot

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>>154329969
test