>homuncunli are just generic bad guys created by the main

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>>154126756
>pic related was the header when I opened this thread

The manga versions of some of the Homunculi are better, to be honest. I don't even remember what Bradley was like in 2003, but he was much more memorable in Brotherhood.

Lust and Sloth were definitely better in 2003, though.

>>154126756
>muh Bones fanfiction
Congratulations on missing the point of the story.

>>154126756
Only Lust, Sloth and Wrath were better. Everyone else was the same or better.

>>154126921
>Wrath

What? How was "m-muh arm and leg" better than Bradley?

>>154126897
Arakawa worked with them on the story and enjoyed their version.

Bradley was better in Brotherhood, though.

It's painfully apparent that the author didn't put any thought into the whole human transmutation thing.

>homunculi are just artificial humans instead of people with edgy, melodramatic backstories

What a shock

>>154127087
More like she said "do whatever" while she was super busy with the manga, only making sure her work wasn't completely raped.
The writing of 2003 is pure 100% Bones, down to the retarded ending.

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I would agree if this little faggot didn't ruin the entire show.

>>154128034
>implying he wasn't the best antagonist in the 2003 show

>>154127071
I think he is comparing 2003 Wrath with Pride.

>>154126756
2003 Lust > BH Lust
2003 Envy = BH Envy
2003 Gluttony > BH Gluttony
2003 Sloth > BH Sloth
2003 Greed > BH Greed
2003 Wrath > BH Pride
2003 Pride < BH Wrath

Pretty much

>>154127423
How so?

>perform Human Transmutation
>transgress on the realm of God
>obtain vast information that you can't even use
>also wind up destroying your own body

It was supposed to be a lesson to the cast to realize that they can't fix everything with alchemy.

>>154128766
I agree with all except for Greed.

>>154128766
>2003 Greed > BH Greed

Anon...

>>154128845
>>154128874
I didn't like he became completely good. His death was forced too.

>>154128766
>2003 Gluttony > BH Gluttony

But they're literally the same.

>>154127507
>having no backstory is better than having backstory

>>154126756
If you enjoy edgy fanfiction, good for you.

>>154126756
>EVERY TIME a human tries to resurrect someone they create a homunculus, and they conveniently fit into a category of the Seven Deadly Sins perfectly, but no two can be the same

Sure makes more sense.

>>154128766
Pretty much this

>>154128949
But 2003 was more relevant while BH Gluttony did pretty much nothing.

>>154126756
>>Implying anyone would want to resurrect Gluttony

>>154129028
BH gluttony also went out like a bitch

>>154128983
>anime has plot conveniences

whoa, that's unheard of

>>154126756
This.

2003 is even better than the manga, but /a/ still won't accept this.

>>154129243
Contrivances, more like.

>>154129325
If I felt like indulging in shit taste I'd be on leddit.

>>154129325
Well FMA 03 is for the people who enjoy consuming garbage.

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>arguing over FMA03/Brotherhood being shit instead of just enjoying two different takes on a great series

>>154129765
this loli knows

>>154129765
You mean we don't have to hate an option? We're allowed to like everything? I don't understand.

>>154129765
Why should I say I enjoyed a series that I hated just for the sake of being a centrist cuck?

>>154129853
so its better to be an crazy extremist?

I remember some anons here saying that the best way to experience the anime was with watching the beginning of 2003, up to like episode 25, then moving directly into Brotherhood into some episode in the 10-20 range, or something along those lines.

Was this just a meme?

>>154129926
that seems real fucking dumb

>>154129926
No, that's actually the best way because FMA03 does the beginning up until Hughes' death better while Brotherhood rushes stuff to get to the point where the story changes already.

>>154129926
1. Watch FMA 2003
2. Read FMA manga
3. Watch FMA BH if you like shounen fights

High IQ: 2003
Normal IQ: Manga
Low IQ: BH

>>154129926
With 2003fags, that's never the case.

Apparently to them, if you don't watch the fillershit, certain "deaths" won't leave a greater impact.

>>154126756
>I didn't watch brotherhood or read the manga i just barely skimmed through the wiki to make this

>>154128832
Because it's "God are a dick for no reason" instead of being a good reason.

>>154129991
So at what episodes exactly should you switch?

>>154130342
After Hughes funeral

>>154130342
Not that anon but 2003 doesn't even follow the original manga events accurately a lot of the time.

Scar was much better in Broterhood tho. He went out like a bitch in 2003.
Also 2003 has those shitty filler melodramatic episodes that just feel out of place once you're older than 15. Like the fake Elric brothers or the one about the village doctor.

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>>154130709
>that just feel out of place once you're older than 15
>in a shounen
>when BH ending feels more out of place than anything in the franchise

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You faggots are just too young to remember, but the 2003 anime, once it passes the point where manga was at the time, starts basing much of the show off notes and ideas the mangaka herself gave BONES to use, as they were things she'd come up with but ultimately decided to not use in the story. Its not entirely BONES making shit up.

>>154130874
>implying the BH ending is out of place
>forgetting the atrocity that is the 2003 ending
listen buddy, I can at least understand somewhat the argument about homunculi being more interesting in 2003 but don't you dare bring the endings into this

>>154131247
At least 2003 had the balls to give the story an imperfect ending while BH had the most typical "happily ever after" ending you'll ever see in anime.

>>154131325
>a darker ending is inherently better even if it's fucking retarded
2003fags will eternally be angsty teenagers.

>>154131505
>copying Evangelion is not retarded
kek

>>154130970
its actually kinda interesting to compare and see 2003 deliberately going in the opposite direction.

>>154131325
I liked both endings.
2003 ending had a good concept (minus the nazis and other bullshit) and poor execution, while the BH ending was too happily ever after, but I feel after everything they kinda deserved it.

>>154131645
>dude nazis lmao
Kek

>>154131782
So? Both endings are retarded but one keeps the tone of the show and the other is a cliche happy ever after.

>>154126756
first half of 2003 > first half of Brotherhood
second half of 2003 < second half of Brotherhood

is how I feel.

But I don't think I've even watched 2003 since I used to watch anime on TV, so I may need to revisit and reevaluate.

>>154131885
No, one is okay, 2003 one is retarded.

>>154131997
>Okay
No, it repeats the same thing that Eva did but instead of going full Ragnarok llike Eva did it ends with everyone coming back to life, a typical beat up of the bad guy, a forced death of the evil guy who became good and the heroes realizing that they could have taken back what they lost a long time ago, the idea just never cross their mind until that point.

>>154132206
>the heroes realizing that they could have taken back what they lost a long time ago, the idea just never cross their mind until that point.

Yes they realized they need to sacrifice something of value to them rather than find some macguffin or something.

BH ending>2003 ending
Prefer happy endings over depressing cliffhanger endings

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>tfw 2003's ending was so bad I stoped watching anime for 5 years

Father was a less terrible villain than Dante.

>>154133182
> they realized they need to sacrifice something of value to them
Alphonse sacrifized his memories at the end of 2003.

Both 2003 and the manga portay the story as a long journey, BH skips over most of the journey because it's too worry about animating what wasn't animated without understanding what the story was about.

>>154134416
>Alphonse sacrifized his memories at the end of 2003.
Don't know how that's better than what BH did.
In fact the alchemy is even more stupid in 2003 since they can bring each other back to life, contradicting to whole premise.

>>154126756

The only cool things about the sin Homonculi was that Father thought he was purging himself of his sins, but he was only unleashing them upon the world, and furthermore, he still had those sins in the form of extreme avarice.

>>154126756
>muh edgy dante
>muh hitler
>better than anything

Nostalgia is one hell of a drug

>>154135209
You can't bring someone back to life if their souls are at the other side of the door. Simple.

>>154127507
For one, 2003 homonculi were artificial clones of dead people, not the people themselves.

Second off, FMA brotherhood and the Manga homoculi weren't like the original alchemical concept either. Only Father was an actual homoculi and barely one to boot. He was a fragment of God bound to the blood of the human, taking the form of a gas being that couldn't exist outside of the flask, only sort of like ,ythological homonculi of antiquity.

The homonculi in brotherhood were more or less parasitic philosopher stoned imbued with a personality trait of their creator. They were basically just rocks made of human souls given a consciousness. They didn't even have their own bodies and needed hosts.

The reason OP and others such as myself consider 2003 homonculi superior is because they had more character development and were a direct consequence of human transmutation. Sloth a result of the Elric's, Wrath a result of Izumi, Lust a result of Scar's Brother, Envy a result of Honenheim.

Brotherhood abandons it's human transmutation concept as a sin and more of a plot device to set things off, this is shown during the Mustang's fight with Pride and Goldtooth where they force him to transmute. It stopped being a sin and more of a mechanic and ultimately didn't fit very much into the central plot.

>>154136038
It sounds cool but it thematically sucked ass. The problem with Father was that he was a generic Snake in the Tree villain. He shows up the world with nearly omniscient knowledge and a mysterious origin to uplift a slave into a noble only to use him to obtain power, then goes on a quest to become god.

Even though he already showed up as basically being perfect, he removes his personal flaws and makes them into minions, but ultimately still acts like himself.

Maybe his goal of becoming god was because he was born a weak little sprite that couldn't live beyond his flask but the fact of the matter is he was always simply a fragment of god, therefore making his quest seem tacted on.

Dante was a better villain, She was human, she was Honenheim's sin, she wasn't always a bad person but her addiction to "immortality" drove her into continuing abominable acts. She was a powerful alchemist but clearly learned her bullshit rather than having been practically born with all knowledge regarding it.

Best of all, her army came from the bulk of the cast

>>154136097
>muh comic relief Greed
>muh zombies
>muh cartoony chimera faggots
>muh jrpg villain
>muh door is the answer, you win kid

>>154137738
>muh muh

>>154137663
Now that you mention it, what was stopping Father from leaving the basement and ruling the world as king?

>>154137886
They actually show him in a room in HQ with a bunch of generals telling them what to do

>>154137886
Literally nothing except Shin. He basically taught the entire world west of the desert a brand of alchemy that depended on an energy source controlled by him. The country he made was also loyal to him, with his bullshit knowledge of the universe he'd already be unstoppable and kick the countries shit in.

Also the fact that in his "matured" form that is capable of living outside of his philosopher stone skin he was probably indestructible really makes you wonder why he didn't already consider himself practically god.

>>154133754
conqueror's of shamballa was great

>>154138122
not really. it was unnecessary.

The only argument that brotherhood fags have is ''muh manga'', guess what faggots, sometimes the way other people interpret the authors work is better than the author's work itself. See F/Z and FSN.

Everything in 2003 is better. It's way more original than the shonen shit 101 that Brotherhood turned out to be. The characters have far more development and depth than Brotherhood, which choose to fill the cast with hundreads of irrelevant and shitty characters instead of focusing the story on a small, but dense cast. The themes are far more emphasized. Hell, most of the filler stories are leagues above brotherhood in terms of meaning and impact.

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At least Brotherhood wasn't boring like 03

>>154138442
>Show forsakes it's own iconic powers for a generic Ki blasting villain at the end

/a/ - Attention Deficient Disorder.

>>154138529
>03
>iconic
How many people actually remember who was the main bad guy in the 03 series?

>>154138442
Brotherhood choose to put its focus on action and fast pacing, as opposed to 2003, which is slow paced and character/plot driven. I mean, just see episode 40 to 63, it's basically non stop action and there's always something happening on screen, so even the retards with the worst case of ADD will be able to pay attention and like it to some extent at least.

>>154138529
>alchemy
>iconic

alchemy isn't iconic at all. Alchemy was never explained in any of the series or the manga and has always just been lmao magic with some fake pseudo science tied to it.

Arakawa never understood anything about chemistry or alchemy and it shows she never bothered to research after she started the series, she just threw it all away.

>>154126756
>caring about the homunculi
wew lad.

>>154138633
The main bad guy from 2003 actually had relatable motivations and was more humanized than Father. Both only gain focus in the very last episodes though.
>>154138658
I know right, who cares about some of the most important characters in the series.

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>>154126756
I don't know what all the fuss is about with Brotherhood, I rewatched it after I dropped it ages ago near the ending for whatever reason, and it just seems way too fast paced, Nina and Alexander done and dusted in one episode, the whole Priest with the philosopher's stone was done in one episode. The fights were well animated and cool but that's really about it, I think I prefer the 2003 but that could be my younger self talking.

>>154129325
Because it's not?

>>154138689
>tfw all I cared about was Mustang Riza and Scar

>>154138633

Does every finale villain have to be FUCKING GOD for /a/ to remember?

I'll agree that perhaps fucking around with a giant stone snake wasn't the coolest thing they could have focused the finale fight upon, but at least that's more creative than "n-nani! did He who ate God or whatever just blast a big purple laser at us!"

>>154138689
The important characters are the humans though.

Since when is Brotherhood being better than 2003 an argument.

>>154138849
Lust and Greed are far more important than most human characters in 2003. And in the case of Brotherhood, Greed and Bradley are more important than most humans.
>>154138868
Yes, we should just all agree that 2003 is far superior.

How about you read the manga instead, you fucking secondary?

Brotherhood is the best shounen I've ever seen but I tend to only watch SOL and moe. The fluidity of animation, pace, and choreography were all top notch. The story was less engaging towards the end, but the characters were still strong all the way though. If 2003 has worse animation and isn't canon I don't see the point in watching it whatsoever, since the main attraction in Brotherhood was the animation and fights.

>>154138868
I doubt most people defending brotherhood even saw 2003 anyway.

>>154138650
It was iconic in the sense that it was tied to circles and involved re-arranging molecules in the surrounding area in short bursts rather than prolonged manipulation

Of course other series had concepts such as magic that involved the bending of mythological elements, but the theme behind Alchemy in the series was more or less Dr. Manhattan type shit; which is iconic enough that other series that have similar powers (such as Seikon no Qwaser) are compared to it.

Shit like taking the iron from the dirt and making yourself a canon or shield is the kind of shit it's iconic for.

>people unironically defending BONES original ending
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>154138907
>I don't care about plot progression, character development or themes, I just want to see cool fights
It's pretty obvious why you or anyone think brotherhood is better.

>>154138932
2003 went to literal shit after they ran out of manga material, plus was full of cringe shit like robot Archer.

>>154138957
Better than generic shounen shit where everyone gets together to win in a epic battle against super overpowered villain.

>>154138990
>2003 went to literal shit after they ran out of manga material,
It's funny because the ''filler'' parts of 2003 are better than most of the manga material. I can't remember a single character arc that isn't better in 2003

>>154130280
>Hey guys don't eat the fruit from that one particular tree

>Hey guys don't use alchemy to revive the dead

>>154138868
Fairly common meme, I was told to watch brotherhood by a friend after it had finished it's run years ago because he said it was better for following the manga.

Apparently the author and source material is infallible and incapable of being approved upon, therefore deviation is shit. I still get the same sort of mentality from normies I've talked to about it.

>>154138967
The story was fucking great up until Mei was introduced, after that it lost all the political intrigue and mystery aspects and the only interesting parts left were the fights anyway. The fights were so well-executed that it still made it a fucking great anime though. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

>>154138907
But what about my filler epiosodes and nazis and rape and pointlessly killing off Scar?

>>154138967
Seriously what themes does it do better?
Being dark doesn't equal well written or deep.

>>154138991
>It's better because it's not generic
>implying generic is always a bad thing

>>154139026
>approved

Improved*

>>154139069
I much rather have a original and bittersweet ending, like it was the case in 2003, than something I have already seen countless times already, only in other forms, which was what happened in Brotherhood. There's literally nothing special about Brotherhood's ending because it played extremely safe.

>>154139069
>generic is always a bad thing
Generic is always a bad thing unless you are talking about less expensive products.

>>154139115
>happy endings are bad
Not everything has to be subversive, and having a more "original" (unhappy) ending is not indicative of better writing or higher quality. It's simply a different choice for a different effect.

>>154130280
>implying there has ever been a good reason for the Abrahamic God's misdeeds

>>154139160
t. pretentious fuck

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Ed and Ling going into the Homunculi nest to NotRussia and MADMAN Kimblee being an actual character alone makes Brotherhood superior.

>>154126756
Conqueror of Shamballa

2003 is crap just for that.

>>154139222
2003 didn't have Olivier either, did it?

>>154129926
It is an absolute meme
Hughes dies in chapter 16(/100) of the original manga, and episode 9 or 10(/64) in Brotherhood

The original anime completely changes certain aspects of the manga and inserts various filler and subplots from side material in those 25 eps, while also completely butchering the events that take place in lab 5 while making the rest of 03's plot basically hinge around them big furry daddy Shou Tucker is just as bad as Robo-Archer

>>154139020
Ling

>>154139288

Nope. No Ed growing physically and mentally. Kimblee is a foot note and not styling. Bradley was a bitch in 2003. Also Wrath was terrible in 2003

>>154139115
>original and bittersweet ending
You mean pretty retarded and meaningless ending?

>>154139354
>Robo-Archer
Ugh. And I thought 03 Kimblee was bad.

>>154139115
03's finale and ending were genuinely horrible, though
Then Shamballa came around and managed to make it even worse

>>154139202
FMA is a story about loses and the journey to get back what was lost. The happy ending doesn't fit because it makes the plot too idealistic
>they want to get something back
>they got everything back at the end
Compared with that, 2003 fits better because they didn't got everything back, Edward got Alphonse back but not his arm and he also ended losing his power in the other world. This is more believable, you don't get everything you want but you can get the most important things and keep going.

>>154139384
2003 Wrath was that edgy annoying kid, right? Such a shitfest. Also Ed and Al mom being part of the homunculus, literally the most tired cliche of the book.

Plus other changes that made no sense like brown Rose and rape forced drama.

>>154139066
>my filler epiosodes
Which were good

>nazis
That's shit from the movie, which I won't defend.

>pointlessly killing off Scar?
This is a retarded criticism.

>Seriously what themes does it do better?
For starters, the theme about equivalent exchange, which is far more emphasized at the end of 2003 where ED has to literally sacrifice himself to recover Al's body. 2003 also explore this theme more and find flaws in it, like in Dante's speech at the end of the show.

But about being dark, I wouldn't really use that word. It's just that it seems like Brotherhood is afraid of being sad or having any impactful moment. It always tries to play safe and solve things without making any sacrifices, which makes everything feel more generic and dull, at least to me.
>>154139453
What's meaningless about the ending?

>>154139066
We've already discussed why Brotherhood ruins the human transmutation aspect and the idea of human transmutation as a sin.

At the end of 03 it's still an impactful concept, in brotherhood it becomes a shitty mechanic and is of no importance to the Villain or the cast in the long run other than "muh door" and philosopher stones fixing the problem.

We've already discussed why father is a shittier villian than Dante

We've already discussed how the homoculi are superior characters in 03

Scar was a better character in 03, Brotherhood watered Kimbley down and later made Scar into le epic magic arms man.

The Shin characters were out of place and only existed for a comedic relief Greed, fap bait ninja girl and a plot device to counter Fathers plot device powers.

2003 made Philospher stones incredibly hard to make, requiring a reagent that costed human life and entire cities of souls to generate one, of which still had limited power. It was made out to be the forbidden fruit of the series and something that caused more problems than good

Brotherhood makes it simply crystallized human souls and easily obtainable I actually forgot how many character fucking had the stones in Brotherhood but it was basically a joke at that point, the "forbidden fruit" merely became the massive transmutation circle plan or the "Immortal Bodies".

Brotherhood makes Chimeras way too light-heated, the 4 battletoad tier chimera characters were fucking annoying and tone breaking. It was a mockery of what Greed's guys had gone through.

>>154139519
>Brotherhood is less "realistic" because Ed only loses his ability to do alchemy entirely, rather than being sent to fucking pre-war Germany because 03 literally revolves around the energy of edginess

>>154139384
>No Ed growing physically and mentally.
Ed changes far more in 2003 and has also more depth due to good filler episodes, like the serial killer one, or when he goes to the island he and Al trained as kids, or the episode where Al runs away.

>>154139519

How the fuck does getting Isekai'd into WWII Germany more realistic than losing their alchemy after all of that?

>>154139519
Edward lost the ability to lose alchemy and didn't get his leg back in Brotherhood, and their mom of course is still dead. I thought that tied the whole idea of equal exchange together pretty well, since at that point Ed's entire life was spent on alchemy and it was the only thing he was good at.

>>154139583
>philosophers stones are literally the same in both series but it's bad in brotherhood because the villain had them prepared ahead of time
You can stop double spacing too you dumb redditor

>>154138633
>How many people actually remember who was the main bad guy in the 03 series?
she had nice tits.

>>154137285
All of this.

>>154130280
Truth is more like a guardian, or gatekeeper.

Human transmutation is tipping your fedora hard enough that god decides to personally slap your shit for it because you're treating humanity as something purely science rather than something with inestimable value (soul). Then gives you super alchemy in recognition of what you did anyway, with the added lulz factor of making sure every time you use it, you're making prayer motions with your hands. So you will never forget what you did.

It's why he was so impressed with Ed at the end, because here after so long, so many failures, was somebody who finally understood.

>>154139567
>This is a retarded criticism.
Tell me what his death added to the story?
He doesn't have any arc, he just randomly dies so it's different from the source

>>154138633
Literally Hitler

>>154139384
>Kimblee is a foot note and not styling
>Le white hat crazy guy

Kimblee was better as a psychopathic villain, as a protagonist he was just a walking meme about cloths and sucking on philosopher stones.

It felt like the author noticed people liked him in 03 and decided to force him in as a good guy.

>Bradley was a bitch in 2003
He was fine, he didn't need to be a drawn out swordsman, his death at the hands of mustang was better.

>Hating Wrath

Better than Brotherhood Sloth or Brotherhood Pride.

>>154139661
>Edward lost the ability to lose alchemy
He really doesn't seem to mind that all that much.

>and didn't get his leg back in Brotherhood,
That's okay, it's already established from the get go that ED has a mechanical leg and again, he doesn't mind that much.

>and their mom of course is still dead
Again, already established and they never expected to actually resurrect her in any of the series.

>>154139776
He was never good guy you idiot

>>154138907
2003 has very good animation for early 2000s show, and in my opinion the direction and pacing of story, for the most part of it, was better than in BH. Then again yes, why would you watch FMA two times.
You should check out the OP/EDs at least.

>>154139776

He was never a good guy. He fucking used Winry as a bargaining chip to keep a tight leash on Ed and Al. Him being a wildcard to everyone even the villains is much better than a mindless villain of the week goon by Bradley.

>>154139742
Did you even watched the series? Scar has a big arc and a bunch of character interactions with the other characters, her interactions with Lust are particularly interesting.

>Tell me what his death added to the story?
What do you mean? He was trying to create the perfect Philosopher Stone and was used as ingredient to it at the end of the show. Do you even remember that he made a transmutation circle all around the city?

>>154139670
>>154139670

Brotherhood PS are of the same power level of power red stone did in 03, they were simple and pretty easy to make. They were again, replaced as a concept by both Father's and Hohenheim's bodies and the god swallowing bullshit.

Philosopher stone stopped being a thing, it became all about eating the most souls. It completely misses the concept.

>03 is entirely about muh homonculi, muh injustice of human transmutation, muh sin
>half of the series is just edgy filler meant to reimburse these hollow themes
>brotherhood just treats the homonculi like the pawns they are while Ed and Al actually get to explore Amestris and other characters are allowed to take the spotlight for more than a single episode, while the action and light political intrigue are actually allowed to remain the focus and draw of the series
Yeah, gosh, no idea why people don't just love FMA03

2003 is the ONLY case where I think that filler is better than the source material. Hellsing Ultimate is better than old Hellsing, Gantz manga is far better than Gantz fan fiction, even Usagi Drop manga is better than anime, but I can't bring myself to like brotherhood more.

>>154139725
>Someone who finally understood
By getting rid of muh door? Shit what about the people who choose to never use alchemy, do they get props as well?

Also, remember when Pride forced Mustang to transmute someone against his will and god still took away his eyes? What as going on there?

I miss when studios would actually finish the series even if the manga wasn't over yet.

>>154139811
>>154139903
He was an anti-hero

>>154139660
He means realistic as in the ending didn't become a wish fulfillment segment for removing nearly all their problems.

>>154140064
People who never use alchemy will never try human transmutation, so they don't need to be taught the lesson of "don't treat human souls as something you can just create at will with alchemy".

Mustang lost his sight because even though the door was opened by gold tooth guy, he still looked inside the gate once he was there and saw the truth/gained knowledge, so he was hit by the rebound (can't get something for nothing, even if it's accidental). Which is probably why all he lost was sight, it was a very minor one compared with shit like a bunch of internal organs, or your entire body. And the act of forcibly opening it also rebounded to almost kill Pride in another punishment.

>>154140014
>Show lays down some groundwork about themes regarding sacrifice and sin
>Let's drop them for some hijinks across alt-germany and stopping a black mass of eyeballs from becoming god.

Just reinforcing the truth that BH fags are just shonen shitters that can't move past their cliches.

>>154139783
>Wah losing his incredibly useful ability in order to fix the mistake he made years ago isn't edgy enough

The exchange should have been Ed dies and Wenry gets raped and impregnated like Rose

>Again, already established and they never expected to actually resurrect her in any of the series.
So they fail to accomplish what they tried, Ed loses his power and still has a fake leg.
Yeah alchemy is bullshit in BH, despite it being able to bring people back to life in 2003.

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>unironically believing 2003 isn't the superior version

>>154140316
Better question, how come Hohenheim and Father didn't have to pay anything for their new bodies made of human souls?

I fucking hate bones for ruining threads about this series forever with their fanfic.

Can we have Trigun Brotherhood now

>>154126756
i like it so much when i 16

But nowaday

>meh

>>154140443

Good thing you are using worst girl for your worst opinion

>>154140471
I congratulate bones from saving a series that would otherwise be comparable to typically shonen shit.

>>154140467

I would assume that they did, it was just somewhere in the multiple hundred thousand souls that were stuck inside them, so the toll was basically not even worth mentioning. Ed used Envy's stone to pay a toll for the three of them (him, Ling, Envy) getting out of Gluttony by passing through the gate, for example.

>>154140467

Being mind-raped by a whole civilization for sacrificing maybe torture in of itself

>He fucked Trisha while there were millions of souls screaming inside him

>>154140340
>muh themes are more important than a coherent plot
Ecks fucking dee

2003 is for gen x who appreciate art

Brotherhood is for dumbass millennials who need to have their add appeased

It's why there is a disconnect in this thread
Old /a/ was all about 2003 and viewed brotherhood as trash

Fucking kids get the Fuck out of here

>>154140471
This. 2003fags should actually be ashamed of themselves

>>154140685
The people who think 2003 is deep are the literal definition of dumb millenials

>>154140685
>edgy=good
>edgy=deep
It's time for you to stop posting

>>154126756
>"I love to stuff my face with dicks." - OP, 2017

>>154140571
Here's the thing, it worked with Envy because he's a particularly soul latent philosopher stone. They broke equivalent exchange simply using a property of his body.

When Van and Dwarf did the transmutation of xerxes they didn't have a philosopher stone.

>>154140684
There was nothing wrong with 03's plot though so what's your point? You attacked the theme and suggested the lighter them was superior.

>>154140762
>edgy
That word has been ruined
You can literally apply it to anything and it's goal posts can be moved infinitely

You can say anything that has any semblance of deeper meaning is edgy

If you actually use the word edgy in your argument i autonically assume you have no argument

>>154140894
That's quite literally not an argument

>>154140804
No, they made themselves into Philosopher's Stones. Or Father did, Hohenheim was the unwitting accomplice who just happened to be standing there with him.

We also see the creation of stones made from Ishvalan lives without apparently opening the Gate, or st least exacting the toll, on the creator. Maybe part of the stone being created is what powers the exchange? Like when Ed used himself as a stone to power an internal organ fix, he's not visibly a stone at the time, but he can alchemically treat himself as a stone with one soul in it.

>>154140903
>Doesn't make an argument
>mad when he gets no arguments back

What did you think would happen

>>154140943
You see, that's a major issue with the human transmutation split, it doesn't count if it involves stealing souls.

03 also suffered this issue if I recall, though It may have something to do with the power of red stone.

>>154140970
I'm not that guy, though, I'm just reminding you that you're full of shit

>>154140534
No one outside of MAL cares about 2003 though.

I like how all the pseudo-intelligent retards ITT think that if a series doesn't have dark themes and too many action scenes it's immediately a shonen as if it's a genre.

>>154140620
>that awkward moment when your wife wants to have sex while the souls of anguished children scream in your ears

>>154141200
Are you implying that brotherhood isn't a shonen

Are you retarded?

>>154141274
It is, very much so actually. But not "stereotypical shonen" as in something like Naruto or some shit

Not him btw

>>154141331
Original naruto has less shonen tropes then brotherhood

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>>154128396
Donte was better.

>>154141214
>still able to get 2 kids.
what a champ.

>>154128766
b-b-but muh envy being a little shit hunted by Mustang
b-b-but muh gluttony being a fucking fake door
b-b-but muh sloth being punches by armstrong and best husband
b-b-but muh chinese greed

>>154128396
He proved himself in CoS, but in the show he was just a whiny brat. I still can't get his "MOMMY MOMMY" English dub lines out of my head when I hear his name.

FMA 2003 was shounenshit too, except more edgy.

>>154138775
>muh immortality
>ruling an entire country and only caring about dick and living forever

>>154139222
>Fedora tipping edgelord
>superiour
kek

>>154126756
>bait thread getting this many reply
/a/ is going under

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>Trying to argue with 2003 fags when it was "muh first anime"

>>154142540
Human aspiration from a fallible human, not an omniscient dust-ball.

>>154142979
>Human aspiration from a fallible human
You mean badguy who wants immortality #387?
Yeah this show is so daring and original.

>>154139384

>wanting fedora fag to have any more screen time

Kimblee was shit in 2003 and even shittier in Brotherhood. The name "Kimblee" is already retarded. Fuck that guy.

>>154130280
>implying a mere mortal can understand the whims of a cosmic and primordial being

Its not that he's a dick, its that a do as your told and there will be punishment. No different than your parents or teachers.

>>154143358
It's not the goal it's the plan.

>>154142620
>This is considered bait because /a/'s tastes are so shit they think brotherhood was good.

It's 7 feet under already.

>>154126756
Brotherhood is for self inserting losers who want to see the protag always being right and getting a cheesy happy ending.
2003 is for those who can accept grim reality.
Repeating myself.

>>154143490
The same could be said for many "I want immortality" baddies.
You guys sure do love spinning this show any way you can to make it seem more deep.

>>154143659
Originality shouldn't be an argument in this case considering brotherhood has a fucking JRPG villain.

Dante was a better Villian and that's not even an arguement of "depth".

The very fact that Father was basically born evil automatically makes him a shit character.

The amount of people who think they're superior for liking Bones fanfiction is truly baffling. 2003 has all the hallmarks bad Bones original works as well. I guess people just saw it when they were new to anime.

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>>154143762
>It's bad because I hate the company
Not an argument.

>>154143736
Too bad no one every said BrotherHood was original.
The only people masturbating about how deep their show is 2003 fans, and now you're starting an idiotic argument of "my generic villain isn't generic because your generic villain is genericer"

>>154143808
Have you ever seen most Bones originals? They're needlessly convoluted, full of contrivances, and have shitty endings. This isn't even an exaggeration, they all suffer from the same flaws. The funny thing is that I actually kinda like Bones, because they can get some things right and at least they try. Go ahead, like it. But you're not a better person for it. I mean, just look at this faggot >>154143560

>>154143890
Who gives a shit about their other works? We're not arguing about their track record, we're arguing that 03 is superior to brotherhood.

This has nothing to do with their other shit, and liking 03 doesn't mean you're going to like bones other work.

If they want to feel superior, then they're basing that off the fact that 03 has better elements than brotherhood, not because they're sucking the companies dick.

>>154143887
Not even genericer, just bad.

>>154144023
I'm not arguing that 2003 is bad, I'm arguing that the people who think they're better for liking it are retarded.The only possible way they could think that 2003 is deep is that it was one of their first anime and they have not seen the hundreds of other things Bones has done. 2003 is a formulaic Bones original, not some masterwork deserving of high praise.

>>154143736
>Dante was a better Villian
HAHAHAHAH, no

>>154143527
This topic has been shitposted to death newfag

>>154144120
>How dare these people like something from bones
>Haha you like something from bones!
Your argument is weak.

>>154144129
and you don't even have one.

>>154144160
I even said I like Bones, and that I don't care if you think 2003 is good. You're missing the point entirely. I get it, you think 2003 is deep and you're offended or something. You're not even worth replying to anymore at this point.

Doesn't Brotherhood follow the manga more faithfully and it has the same ending? I ask because I haven't seen Botherhood but that is what I heard about it.

>>154144273
yes, nostalgiafags unironically think 2003 fillershit is better than the source material. Really makes you think.

FMA03 is great, but Dante is probably one of the lamest villains I've ever seen.

Not that Father is an amazing villain or anything, but at least Ed fought him, and he had better reasons to be the bad guy than muh immortality.

>>154144273
Yes. 2003 was being made the same time the manga was being written so the writer told them to go crazy

>>154126756
>2003 was my first shonen

you need to try harder

The 2003 series had problems with where they tried going with the story, since it seemed like it just rushed the ending with just the odd portal to Earth thing at the end.

But the characterization was much better in the 2003 series with the homunculi since it at least treated them as characters. Toying with the idea of whether they could even consider themselves some revived form of humans that could treat their memories as their own or if they're entirely separate beings in order to fuck with Al's concept of self.

Brotherhood just made all the homonculi into such simplistic villains that they felt boring in comparison. Like there's no much reason given for why the homonculi would really be following father as they were, they just seem to do it because they may as well. The 2003 series, if I remember right, tried suggesting some of the homonculi would be fine just switching allegiances if it just meant someone else making some philosopher's stone that they could use to essentially give them more life so that they wouldn't just expire. Brotherhood even seemed like they could have gone a similar route given they had the Chinese greed just wanting to act on his own accord, yet then the author didn't try doing anything with that? That just seemed odd to me.

I suppose my main issue is that the 2003 version made armor boy's plight seem comparable to what the homonculi were going through and hinted at this idea of having to question what you are and whether your memories make you what you are. Whereas the Brotherhood version was more blunt with having people just be their souls and skipping any conflict that could have been created by the homonculi having memories or their own goals.

[Spoiler]Ignore me[/Spoiler]

>>154144569
You can't tell me what to do.

>>154144583
How do you do it.

>>154144617
Oh I got it

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>>154128949
Am I the only one who felt some little bit of horror looking at this face?

>>154144627
>>154144617
>>154144569
ctrl+s you wingus

>>154144660
I'm on mobile dummy but as you can see I've figured it out
And don't go ugh m-mobile poster!!!

>>154142609
Kimlee is like the only example of a fedora done right

>>154140316
Oh yea, but dad can transmute being no prob, just because he has "enough cash money". And mustang regained his sight in exchange for some souls.
Truly nice. I especially liked how all morals go right out the window inbetween lines by the end.

>>154141167
Literally what, MALfags are the biggest brotherhood fanboys.

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>>154144120
>>154143762
>People don't share the same opinion as me
>It's probably because they want to feel superior

>>154146088
See
>>154143560

>>154146143
>Let me quote one guy clearly shitposting about something and trying to get a reaction out of people
>That will sure prove my point

2003 = Bokurano manga
Brotherhood = Bokurano anime

>>154146172
It's a common opinion. The whole "people who don't like Brotherhood are shounenfags unlike me who appreciate mature deep anime" thing. But okay, let's just say it's one post in isolation. I'm talking about nothing, you're right.

2003 fans are plebs that can't even understand literature at its most base and pulp level. They literally like fanfiction tier angst schlock.

There is no depth to 2003 version of the homunculi. They just exist to create scenes where they can play a sad song and make people feel bad because "muh mom" or "muh baby."

Arakawa going the classical route of "and it was all for fucking nothing" is a far better take on the entire issue while Father himself serves as the little monster reflecting the negative aspects of humanity that the 2003 homunculi tried but failed to be.

Y'all niggas just don't like B tier pulp fiction adventure.

Whether you like Brotherhood or 2003 more is a matter of preference since they both strive for different things. 2003 puts emphasis on character development and progression, has slow pacing and takes much more risks, which can be both a good and bad thing. Brotherhood on the other hand, puts more focus on action, has a fast paced narrative and plays much more safe as a whole. If I were to label both of them, 2003 would be a shonen trying to be a seinen and Brotherhood would be your average shounen perfected.

>>154146239
No, you're basically nitpicking posts that favor your narrative. I can do the same and to prove the contrary, that brotherhood fans are actually the ones who look down on others.

See >>154146293

>>154146325
Way to prove you're a pleb pleb.

>>154146325
>nitpicking
It's literally the main thing everyone mentions about BH vs. 2003 in every one of these threads. BH being for shounenfags is such a common opinion that you must be insane to think otherwise. I'm not going to bother arguing further because this can go nowhere, so let's just say you're right and be done with it. I don't care enough to go through the archives and provide evidence.

>>154146325
>BH fans
You linked you a manga post you gay.

>>154146390
And 2003 being for edgy angsty teens is a extremely common criticism and thing that brotherhood fans say in almost every thread where discussion between the two arises.

Using buzzwords and memes to look down on the opinion of others is a very common practice on 4chan and pretty much every side does it to some extent.

>>154146481
Good thing my point had nothing to do with being fair to both sides or addressing which side does it more, and simply addresses that seeing 2003 as deeper and using that reason to look down on BH fans is ridiculous. It's almost like you think I'm hating on 2003 in general or people who like it and aren't insane, which I am not.

I'm glad we could reach and agreement.

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>>154139384
Ed changes dramatically in 2003; everything from Greed's death onward is about his loss of innocence as he becomes an adult with his interaction with Roy at the end being night and day from what it was at the start of the series. Brotherhood Ed keeps the same ideals he has from the beginning and never even so much as has to question them. He's almost more of slate onto which to project than a character.

Everything else is the only reason anyone cares about Brotherhood, or any battle shonen for that matter. "It's cool and has flashy fight scenes."

>>154140471
If 2003 didn't exist Brotherhoodfags wouldn't be able to spout the word "fanfic" as if it makes the manga better or worse just because it's the original. It would be judged on its own merits like with Naruto or D. Gray Man, garbage writing and all, and for that reason would likely just fall into obscurity.

>>154126756
I watched the 03 series as a kid and its one of the only series off the top of my head that has managed to make me feel scared for the characters. Not that I remember anything else about it but they somehow managed to make the protagonists feel vulnerable and the villains extremely strong

watched brotherhood somewhere in (2011?) and cant remember much about it other than that it didnt have the same sort of impact and grittyness

>>154126756
The homunculi didn't really effect the story of 2003, like much of the "deep" shit in 2003 it was just there to shock the audience with pointless drama.

>>154148281
Except 2003 was based on a manga dumbass, it was always fanfic, and was always referred to as such.

>BHfags still spout "fanfic" as an attempt to give their argument credibility

Point of 2003's ending was that equivalent exchage is a lie and you can't get back what you wanted because you always invest more than you get, except sometimes you get more for no reason. The whole belief system Amestris and Alchemy are based on are not true and that the world is imperfect. Ed's only response to this revelation during the fight against Dante (was it?, she was taunting him) is to say - I don't care. By this he didn't mean to be edgy, he meant in in a different way - forgiveness of bad things given to you (which he articulated in a very Christian way when he walked away from Tucker a few episodes earlier) and faith in goodness prevailing is more important than mere rules. Yes, Equivalent Exchange is not just a rule that describes the world, it's Faith and a belief in being good. FMA ended up being an extremely deep Christian show. And I don't think it's incidental, the imaginery is there. From the nun to ruined Churches and Christian majority other side of the gate.

There is no gatekeeper who punishes you. Evil is a product of your mistakes, the homonuclus. Human soul is a sacred thing and it can't be created by emulating a body. And as Izumi says - the other side of the gate didn't look like knowledge to me, it looked like hell. There are demons out there who are always willing to do pacts and harm you. And knowledge of Absolute is too much for a human to bear.

>>154144654
I still don't get how he became a kaiju later, but yeah he was more menacing.

>>154150319
Ed's character change in 2003 was very subtle and relied a lot on his younger brother. Ed was always the more proactive one and one willing to face the scary. After killing Greed, he changed. Morality the two operated on wasn't there anymore. Al was left behind, shielded of the mess around him, as his brother delved deeper into the harsh world with no moral rules. This was too much for him, yet he never went full edgelord because his brother was there to make him remember the kindness they aspired to. Their interactions became a thing bringing back nostalgia.
Ed was constantly seeking redemption and a way to reconcile it with his faith into equivalent exchange. Thru the bond he shared with his brother and casting the idea of equivalent exchange away, instead supplanting it with a mere wish for a better world, he found his moral compas. A few episodes later, he stated this in the penultimate episode and eventually put it into words during the epilogue.
An interesting thing that can also be seen here is that Al's own innocence has been shattered in the last few episodes. When confronting his own mother, he goes on a mad yelling spree, wanting to kill her. The interplay between the two brothers shines here brighter than in any of the two anime - Ed, who was kept sane by Al, reverses roles and stops his younger brother from doing the same mistake he did and fall into darkness. This is where the earlier mentioned speech is given. In fact, the scene's serious nature and profound meaning are jarring. The series slowly escalated in seriousness - and here it shifts into the last gear. It's a great foreshadowing for the very sober, yet happy, ending.

The movie doesn't deserve to be mentioned.
As for Brotherhood, I don't know why compare them. It is a battle shonen. 2003 is one of the finest coming of age anime ever made.

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>>154140685
>I just turned 18 and I'm better and wiser than everybody else.
Us 90's kids right? Your childhood was awesome if you watched FMA 2003! Go eat a dick.

I watched FMA 2003 when it came out and really enjoyed it, just recently I watched brotherhood. and having some context (because it goes a bit fast at the beginning), I found it the superior version. Why do you have to be so immature and make and "us vs them" to validate your opinion and make you feel superior?

>>154151002
You've just been baited, anon.

I can't believe people still fall for the "Brotherhood is better" meme

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>>154126756
Brotherhood
>homunculi are the physical incarnations of an ancient evil creature’s sins
>his removal of each of his sins causes him to lose the virtue of which it they are the excess or deficiency

‘03
>glorified zombies that are defeated with a contrived fairy-tale means (presenting them with their remains)

Nah, man.
I even like parts of ’03, but this is a bad argument.

>>154142609
>implying Hannibal Lecter Kimblee is worse than "lol bombs" Kimblee

>>154151251
>homunculi are the physical incarnations of a "perfect" dude's sins which he still has making these incarnations moot and only fodder to defeat
>his removal of each of his sins causes him to we don't know because it is never explored in the anime
Bravo

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>>154151038
>gets called out on being retarded
>y-you g-g-g-g-got baited l-lol

>>154152743
There are basically no gen Xers here. Everyone's a millennial. inb4 ten millennials born in 1989 object. Lying being gen x to feel smug is the oldest trick in the book since the newfag meme a decade and something back. These posts are never real or made by reddit retards.

>>154126756
You're just mad Lust died early.

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>>154153124
That's completely understandable desu

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'03 lacked Mei so it's shit.

>>154153279
>Mei
Utter shit

I vastly prefer 2003. It's one of the greatest works of fiction ever created. But Brotherhood is no by means bad.

Except the music. The music sucked in Brotherhood.

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>>154153460
>The music sucked in Brotherhood.
Objectively shit taste

>>154153551
>le music means OPs
ebin

>>154144273
It does, but it doesn't include everything from the manga.

For instance, Mei's introduction in the manga has her show up in Roswell and use alkahestry to save some people from a collapsing mine. In the anime, she just randomly shows up with Yoki.

>>154153659
The soundtrack of Brotherhood is good, though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eWVoHVzhxg

Brotherhood did an excellent job of trivializing everything.

Remember when Chimeras were supposed to be tragic and fucked up? Lolpufferfish man and friends that can turn back into a normal looking people at will.

And Homunculus? Basically videogame bosses that have an esoteric amount of health, just keep hitting those meatsacks until they die.

>>154153802
>Remember when Chimeras were supposed to be tragic and fucked up? Lolpufferfish man and friends that can turn back into a normal looking people at will.

Are you forgetting about Greed's gang? There's a guy in that group that shifts between having horns and looking human at will. The rest all look human as well.

>>154153802
>And Homunculus? Basically videogame bosses that have an esoteric amount of health, just keep hitting those meatsacks until they die.

That wasn't much different from "attack the weak point" in 2003. I'm pretty sure at least a few of the Homunculi in 2003 died from having their stones exhausted as well. I know the ones in the movie did.

That being said, it did bother me how those two guys with Alphonse were all "We gotta get our bodies back!" the whole time when they could turn into regular humans. Unless there was some limit to the length of time they could stay human or side effects of their animal forms, but I don't think they ever implied anything like that.

>>154153801
Very bombastic and short melodies. Not really good. Well as a leitmotif. As music it's bad.
2003 had great music tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tEj6gXA_eA

>>154153926
Exactly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyDlhODQpzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5lClW_M0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zGqN8turcA

>Brotherhood homunculi
>generic bad guys
um......what the fuck, did we watch the same show?
I'll admit the way 03 explored the way they were created and their backstories was way better, but that doesnt make them generic baddies in Brotherhood. In Brotherhood the focus was more on their powers and personalities. Lacking that backstory doesnt take away from other points of the show at all.

>>154154250
um.................................... owo

>>154153926
Not that guy but Brotherhood had fine music for BGM. I listened to it for a while after the anime ended then kinda forgot about it. Meanwhile 03's soundtrack has kind of stayed in my mind since my first viewing

>>154129765
Anime is a 0 sum on /a/, if you like something you have to have something else to compensate.

>>154154422
Is this the power of equivalent exchange?
To like something you have to hate something in return

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>>154129765
because offering a neutral/fair perspective cant get you those sweet (You)s

>>154154487
Equivalent Exchange is a lie because the second law of thermodynamics exist. Therefore, to like something, you have to hate something else more, not equally.

>>154154586
Except we're talking alchemy here not real world physics
However we are in the real world, so that would explain why people here become more and more hateful

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all fags that believe that 2003 fma has better soundtrack than fma:b

>>154154706
Well, some form of the second law does exist and applies to alchemy in the 2003 version.

>>154154714
This is so true we never discuss soundtracks.

Nina's death in FMA '03 is a lot more powerful than Brotherhood's version, I'll give it that.

>>154126756
So what if more than seven people try human transmutations ? What happens you genius ? How will you give names that are badass and symbolic to number 8 and so on ?

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>>154129765
You should check out the Dragon Ball threads.

Ignore me

>>154154776
So is Hughes' death, and the Father Cornello arc, and basically everything from the first half was better in FMA03.

>>154154721
>remember that time you fixed that radio Ed?
>a kid died for that
Wow

I never understood why people like Lust so much.
She was so boring I wanted her dead the entire time.
Just because you give more screentime to a character doesn't mean they deserve it.

>>154154916
>why people like Lust
Great "filler" episode in the original.
Her scenes and death at the end of 2003 were very gripping and almost sympathetic. It made you reexamine if homonuclus could be human.

>>154154761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-2vGjH3O4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlGMBSSEVrs

>>154154966
Now that's better.

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>>154154916

>>154126756
but the whole point is that human transmutation is impossible since you can't equivalent exchange souls, and the homunculi were twisted creatures whose personalities were dominated by their respective part of Father

>>154149840
They're also attacking arguments with assertions that the poster prides themselves on "depth" which they then attack using the classic implication that depth is a commonly mistaken thing, therefore it doesn't exist in 03.

While it's true that depth can be mistaken for different things (I.E what a lot of surrealists pull) this isn't an argument. They're simply throwing a strawman of "the fool who thinks these basic tricks amount to depth" without giving any backing and only implying that 03 has shit depth based on other series or in comparison to deeper works.

We're arguing about which series is better, but their only arguement is that it's "fake deep" compared to some unknown superior series and therefore it's shit, thus BH is better even though they completely avoided comparing it to 03.

>>154130280
Nigger have you ever read the old testament? God is an arbitrary dickhead who killed people over accidental things and let Satan torture a guy just to prove a point FMA:B god is benevolent and fair in comparison

>>154155194
Well, hold on there. You can EE souls, but only as a one way transaction. You can't receive souls in exchange for something, but if you're the one with the souls to give, that's a valuable commodity right there. Looking at the usage of Philosopher's Stones, I'd even go as far to say you can get more out of a human soul than the material and energy it takes to make one. If that's indeed the case, then FMAverse doesn't have to worry about entropy, as soon as they move past those silly morals, they've got a solution right there

>>154155335
>God is an arbitrary dickhead
No, you're a softie. God chose a people and they purged their enemies and won over their kingdom.

>>154155194
>The whole point was that it was impossible and you couldn't exchange a soul an
>and

See the break up there? Father's bullshit had nothing to do with anything, it just sounded cool.

03 was about everyone seeking the forbidden fruit that could ignore sin that ironically had a price worthy of a thousand, BH was about an already god-like being seeking to become god through devouring god and a countries worth of souls.

>>154154196
>Explored their personalities

They weren't people so it didn't matter. The part where Envy gets wrecked by Mustang was one of the worst parts.

>"Why are you such a dick envy!"
>"is it, pride?"
>"Is it... Wrath?"
>No it's ENVY!

It was the biggest captain obvious moment I've ever seen.

>>154155610
Well no shit, the manga was Japanese but the names were in English
Ever heard of lost in translation

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>>154155610
Mustang wreckings were based even with that "Envy is envious" bit.

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>>154130280
>"What's wrong with craving knowledge?"
>"What's wrong with seeking perfection?"
>Has no answer and just banishes Homunculus to the eye.
God is a dick.

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>Following manga as it's being released
>Find out there's an anime
>It's edgy fanfiction
>Rape storyline with minor character from the first chapter
>Based Barry the Chopper gets offed in a filler episode
>No Xing crew
>Villain is somehow more boring than father
>Comedy is all but fucking gone in the latter half of the show
>Greed just dies, no character development or anything he just gets memed

2003 fags please explain the appeal, I really don't get why its even considered ok to admit liking it.

>>154153926
why can't both be good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkNjCfMjRXA

>>154155747
He did the same shit to Bradley in 03, so I wasn't impressed.
>>154155646
In brotherhood, the homonculi are sentient philosopher stones imbued with a personality trait from father. Of course they're shown to develop beyond this in the series, but their origin is still a primary part of their character. It is absolutely stupid to showcase this as a mystery or revelation, which they did with envy. With Greed they did it better because he realized he just wanted friends, but with envy they pretty much blew it.

In 03 the homonculi have a better relationship with their names because it's subtle. Lust is lust because she was created by a man who tried resurrecting her over his lust since his equivalent exchange was his dick, it's her weakness vice versa. Envy is envy because he's envious of Van's love for the Elrics even though he was once the true blood child of Van and Dante which is a major part of his character relationship with the Elric's.

It's obviously not true for all of them though, Sloth is named Sloth because of her issues awakening after being matured via red-stones, it doesn't really remain a part of personality. Wrath is insanely wrathful but I don't remember if it was simply because of him being transmuted as a child.

>>154156270
Yes but it was it done remarkably better in brotherhood.

>>154156351
It's done simpler, not better. Again, the sin factor plot point was inevitably out of place, but this goes back to all the major flaws with the Father character.

>>154155900
Homunculus was a fragment of the eye, there was nothing to say to it, it was just taking the part back into it.

>>154156015

>2003 fags please explain the appeal, I really don't get why its even considered ok to admit liking it.

Nostalgia really. Of all the flaws brotherhood had it still makes 03 look like garbage. It tried to hard to do things different and have all kinds of cuhrazee twists which leads to stupid shit like robo archer and LOL NAZIS. Brotherhood is better just for the simple fact that it knew where it was going and how to get there and just went.

>>154156609
2003 ending fits the series better than Brotherhood

also that anon's opinion is shit
>waah its different
>the most obnoxious character besides those god awful chinese fucks, Barry was a key to all of this
>muh terrible slapstic that ruins every scene is gone waah

>>154153926
I respectfully disagree, though I do like a number of songs from the 03 series.

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>>154156609
>Robo archer is considered retarded by BH fans
>Meanwhile this.

>>154155535
Father wanted freedom, but every time he got it he found that there was another ceiling holding him in. His goal to become god was so he could be truly free.

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>>154156694
Yes magic portal to naziland and goo covered super soldiers in armor is a much better ending? Even if you dont like the movie it IS the end of 03.

>>154156775
Dumb as they are its still not nearly as retarded as robo archer mcguntongue. I mean seriously look at that shit on the bottom right.

>>154156966
>magic portal to naziland
It was fucking London, you illiterate fuck.

>a world of science
>a world of magic
>one world fuels another
It's an old trope and a good one.

>robo archer
Yes. One of two complains about 2003 I acknowledge. But I don't really give a fuck. It doesn't ruin much, just raises a few eyebrows twice.

>>154156609
>this much reddit formatting
Brotherhood has shittier characterization, soundtrack, and retarded humour. Worldbuilding that consists of "look at this chinese girl lol" doesn't fix all the shit that's wrong with Brotherhood. And the 03 Hitler story was great, people just label it bad because hipsters on youtube said so.

>>154157070
>03 Hitler story was great
But 03 never had a Hitler story. Only that utterly shitty movie that ruins everything and isn't canon.

>>154128641
Still wrong.

>>154126756
The point passed way over your head, friend. The homunculus are the parts of his being that father felt were "imperfect", so he cast them away. He didn't notice, however that by casting away his imperfections he cast away the very things that made him "human". That's the reason why some of the homunculi have character growth, like envy or greed. The father however, learns nothing through his ages long existance.


It ties perfectly with the themes of alchemy being self-reflection and working on your bad traits, not ignoring and throwing it all away. In this sense, the father is the perfect villain, he's literally the ANTI-ALCHEMIST.

I don't mind the darker atmosphere of 2003, and instead of the metaphorical nazis of BH aka the original manga, we get literal nazis. I do prefer BH though, mostly because of no OC donut steel villains and shit child wrath. The ending of BH went full shounen, but 2003 and a shit ending as well so it balances out. 2003 certainly had a greater impact with its theme towards human alchemy though.

It was quite a while since I watched 2003 though, and only read the manga as opposed to watching BH.

>>154156775
The zombies were random and honestly probably only existed to give Envy an excuse to get back to full power, but at least fit the concept of failed artificial humans.

Robo-Archer just felt really out of place. I probably wouldn't even have minded him all that much if it wasn't for the design looking so awkward.

>>154129926
No.
Watch fucking 2003 first, because it's still pretty good.
Then read the mango/watch BH if you don't want to read.

>>154157055
>It was fucking London, you illiterate fuck.

Story takes place in Munich.

>>154157070

As someone that watched the fansubs as they were being done and after 4 different fucking groups died or stopped subbing it only for spoonsubs to swoop in and finish the series im pretty sure i wasnt influenced by some dumbass youtube celebs i hate. The alternate reality world sharing energy Envy is totally a dragon with daddy issues giant armor soldiers on a blimp covered in goo is really not good though. The whole ending was a giant clusterfuck of dumbass bullshit that tried way too hard to be cool. Brotherhood wasnt as tryhard and just did an ending. It actually worked.

>Homununli are just generic bad guys created by a bunch of retards instead of physical personifications of human emotions shedded by a Monster who wants to become God.
Fucking dropped. Whoever says this is better than FMA Brotherhood should be forbidden to give their opinion on anything.

>>154130280
God is basically an abstract entity in FMA. He's not being a dick, it's just the natural law that you can't bring back dead people because their souls are gone and so trying to do it destroys the alchemist's body as the ritual consumes fuel to power an impossible process.

>>154133281
Seriously, the BH ending just fits.
Happily ever after isn't inherrently bad, except for 15 years old who are "mature" and "not into that dismee crap". It worked well enough with the story.
Cliffhangers and bad endings acn, of course, too, but not for BH.

>>154157335
>Story takes place in Munich
What story?

>>154157140

>The movie that was a direct contiuation and ending for the tv series isnt canon because i didnt like it!

Just like Return of the Jedi right? They put those fucking Ewoks in it and ruined the whole thing so its just not canon at all anymore.

>>154137886
He had no interest in such things.
Become god and truly explore the world, that was his goal.

>>154133281
>>154157400
And even though it's a happy ending, it's still a bittersweet one. People die, Ed loses his alchemy, and everything changes for better or worse. I don't know how anyone can cite the "happy ending" as a drawback.

>>154156270
>same shit
>using a transmutation with blood on a skull
Vs
>literally burning his wounds shut and using his blood with a flint

Its not the same.

>>154138689
>relatable motivations and was more humanized than Father
Well, he was an eldritch abomination.
Next you want some little bit of humanity form Azathoth?

>>154157400
>It worked well enough with the story
The whole evangelion ending didn't work, including the giving up alchemy ending. Everything after not-death of Bradley was so out of place I felt like I was watching a phoned in expected big ending.

>>154157432
Do you want me to tell you how Brotherhood is shit by using Star of Milos?

03' fags are in full force today, eh?

>>154157551
What a terrible movie.

>final battle between Julia and Ashley
>they just shoot "alchemy" beams at one another

who approved this

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>>154157585
Brotherhood is shit though.

>>154157551

Milos was a full on side story filler arc. It is not part of the main story line like Shamballa was. Milos was also garbage. You can easily separate Milos and brotherhood without sacrificing anything but if you remove Shamballa you just get Ed on a train in naziland and Al dicking around as a kid still with all of the plotlines with Hohenheim and Envy and such left without any conclusion at all. It doesnt fucking work.

>>154157720
you should stop breathing, I heard tumblerites are fucking crazy about this O2 thing

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>>154157720
What's wrong with minor characters contributing to the story?

>>154157722
I think calling Milos garbage is being generous.

>>154157291
>Robo archer out of place in a world where mechanical limbs have been perfected.

>>154157722
Shambala was a tacked on and unnecesary. It's not part of the main storyline but a weird sequel. You can easily separate Original and the movie.

>you just get Ed on a train in naziland and Al dicking around
I don't wanna be 2d4u faggot, but you literally didn't get it. That was perfect and complemented the main theme.

>Envy and left without any conclusion
Only problem.
Although it would explain our myths about dragons. They're demons from the other world.

>>154157780
If you like tumblr so much then go discuss their favourite shows there, you brocon.

>>154157821
Well, that's what I mean. Look at Ed's limbs. They look sensible and uniform. They pass for regular limbs when they're covered up. Robo Archer's arm is just elongated and all over the place and his leg looks like an arm.

Not trying to be contrarian or anything, just saying the design could have been better streamlined or something.

>>154157832
>it would explain our myths about dragons
>You know, the ones that all come from the early 20th century
So this is the reasoning of 03fags

>>154157883
>dragons are a 20th century invention
???