Dragon Ball Super

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>stands up
>"I won."
>falls
>it's a draw!

>>153933364
Jobbing all the way.

To job even more

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>>153933364
>tie
Jobhan strikes again

>>153933364
Read thread
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>>153933479
le (You)

>>153933501
Jesus, stop creating a thosand threads.

>>153933581
not him but that one was first and it was also linked first in the old thread.

>>153933473
To be fair, considering that he could barely turn Super Saiyan a few arcs back and was being eaten inside out by a body destroying poison, that's a significant improvement.

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Please rate my Goku /a/

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HOW DO AVERAGES WORK????!!!

>Ranking universes by the average powerlevel instead of the outliers
>Great priest is making the same mistake babidi did when he came to earth
>"HA HA HA, earth is full of weak humans! Nobody can stop us!"
>Meanwhile Goku and Vegeta made earth their home and tore apart all of his fighter easily

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>mfw all these Gohan fags defending a draw against a Furry

>>153934057

It's Beerus' fault. If he had done a better job, his universe would be better ranked because of the Earth.

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How badly do you think Beerus and Shin are regretting the destruction of planet Vegeta and all the Saiyans right now? The very same race houses two of their best fighters right now.

Fucking idiots. Beerus was even employing Frieza who shat all over the universe's potential.

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>>153933364
>HURR DURR WHY IS EVERYONE FROM EARTH? HOW COME THERE IS NO ONE ELSE STRONGER THAN FUCKING HUMANS
>U7 is the second weakest universe there is

>>153934244
The furry needed the poison otherwise Gohan would have squashed him clean.

>>153936010
Could have just taken 5 metalmen instead of 5 humans

>>153933364
Migration incoming.

>>153935861
I think Beerus is regretting most of his decisions right now.

>Whis goes into the hyberbolic time chamber with each contestant from U7.

Yes or No?

>>153933364

When will Gohan fans learn?

>>153936028
>the monkey needed SS otherwise Lavender would have squashed him clean
They're both using their natural abilities you nigger. The difference is that Lavender would have killed Gohan whereas Gohan just knocked him out.

>>153933768
Nicely done

>>153935861
They don't rank universes by power levels.
They rank them by development and advancement.
Earth houses the most scientifically advanced(fuck, look at what gero and the briefs created) and physically advanced species in the universe.

And if Beerus wasn't such a lazy fuck the universe would be rife with that kind of scientific and physical advancement.

>>153933364
Gohan fought very well

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>U7 is so weak Freezer is a measure point of the strongest in said universe.

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rate the sagas

Tenshinhan > 21st Tournament > Red Ribbon > Androids > Cell > King Piccolo > Piccolo Jr. > Goku Black > Saiyan > Pilaf > Majin Buu > Beerus > Golden Frieza > Namek > Universe 6

keep in mind that bog and rof are being rated by how good the movies were, and not the super adaptations
the only ones I actually disliked are the two Frieza arcs and Universe 6

>>153936133
No you are retarded, they are ranked by power and U12 is the most scientifically advanced as they where the first of all to discover time travel.

>>153936133

Now that you mention it, the Saiyans were the ones who destroyed the Tuffles, a really scientifically advanced race.

Lmao

>>153936236
Not canon

I wish they would have a tournament arc that was realistic.

Oh both people fell over? Well judges show 105 strikes 200 defends from A but only 100 strikes and 190 defends from B. A wins!

I mean fuck.

>>153933768
3.18

>>153936056
Eh, he'd only teach them ki control and to better use their own abilities.
Master roshi is pretty much tapped out in potential and might learn a few new trick.
Tien is more then likely going to stop pissing away his time on becoming stronger and spend his time perfecting the unbelievably powerful crane hermit school techniques which would make him far more powerful in the long run
Goku and Vegeta would just continue to fight each other
Whis would just ask him why he's relying on the SSJ transformation when his true power is so much greater.
Krillian and Piccolo might be the only ones to get anything out of this.

>>153936089
Gohan didn't actually need Super Saiyan though. That was mainly for his idea of using Ki like it was bat sonar. The furry was struggling the whole time.

>>153936291
fuck off

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>>153936313
>Gohan didn't actually need Super Saiyan though

>>153936291

Suggest to the Grand Priest to add a numerical crunching autist next time.

>>153936133
We don't really know how they're rated, it could be the sum of everything including how strong the fighters they produce are.

guys, U7 isn't ranked THAT low. They're half as high as the ones granted immunity.
Unless it's like a Richter scale.

>>153936391
look how shit the furries are compared to buu and gohan.

Those are the best that U9 can find apparently, or at the very least they're top tier U9 fighters.

now U7 is twice as far below them on a scale which might not even be linear as they are to the surviving universes.

>>153936191
Fucking Why?
The more powerful a race is the more likely they'd cause stupid bullshit to happen.
And an entire race wouldn't just become like...namek saga Frieza tier powerful.

Why are they ranked on power instead of social and scientific and magical advancement overall?
Any random retarded assholes in space will get more powerful for fuck all reasons. Mutants like Frieza Gohan and Monsters like Buu will be created or found.
The fuck is the point?

>>153936191
Bulma fucking discovered time travel, while in a fucking cave, and built the machine out of scraps.

Unless that fucking universe had people who had time travel watches, lived in the middle of space, had matter rearrangement rings, and were spawning and snuffing out fucking stars with the flick of a switch they litterally have fuck all to compare in terms of scientific advancement.

>>153936368
That's literally how it works in real life. Boxing, or even karate tournaments do this in real life.

I wasn't even talking about in current DBS. Just in general anime always fucking never does this. In their country karate or other tournaments do this to determine skill and the winner, but in anime or manga they never do.

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>>153936519
>Why are they ranked on power instead of social and scientific and magical advancement overall?
Because God is literally a child.

please learn how averages work before posting here about the universal rankings i'm fucking begging you

>>153936269
Neither is super

>>153936313
>he didn't need it
>he needed to use ssj as a radar cause he started to struggle

>>153936574
>Toriyama script is not canon
Ok

Given the stakes you'd think Shin and Beerus would try to convince former villains like Cell or Freeza to help with this tournament under thread of being deleted. Beerus already proved he can destroy ghosts during the Slump episode.

Also what the fuck is Bergamo? The other two are puns of spice and I have no fucking idea what that name is referring to.

>>153936586
Toriyama's actual script is canon, Super is not

>>153936534
Drama.

>>153936519
We have no fucking idea how they generate their metrics. For all we know it could be a total summation of everything via some godly scale. Or it could be some esoteric thing they'll handwave off with "mortals wouldn't understand" or maybe it is just raw strength. But we just don't know.

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>>153936541
>The monster that crashes universes with no survivors

>>153936313
That was deeply fucking stupid.
They can't fucking sense where the fucking ki hits and have it reverberate back.
The most he could do was pump of his natural ki field to where it was bathing the entire ring or kept a massive area around him and when the wolfman stepped into it or used a technique that disturbed it he'd move.

Needing to go SSJ so he'd have ki sonar made no fucking sense what so ever.

How to win the tournament of power

>revive cell, perfect him even further with latest capsule corp chipset
>revive frieza, put him in time chamber with cell and let frieza's exponential growth and cell's zenkai boost do their work
>then get buu to absorb them both

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>>153936607

This.

>>153936662
>get a Buu stronger than Goku or Vegeta with the combined arrogance and evil of Cell and Frieza
Wonderful plan.

>>153936648
are you seriously trying to argue about how characters should use their ki?

>>153936391

No. They outright stated the only universe weaker than 7 was 9. Even Champa's is stronger on average than 7.

For all we know. 8 could be filled entirely with Ginyu force level fighters. That'd make the universal average insanely high but there's no way they'd realistically beat 7 or 6 when even Botamo gives no fucks about that level of fighter.

>>153936662
>find uub
>have buu absorb him
>get super buu with god-ki cell and frieza who wont go full blown berserk like fat or kid buu

this plan has no flaws

>>153936610
Yes and Toriyama never made anything about that non canon race.
Super follows the script so is more canon than the "Tuffles"

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>>153936662
Damn anon are you trying to create the perfect xenoverse character or something.

>>153936741
I don't give a fuck about tuffles or GT
So Super isn't cannon?

>>153936519
>Bulma fucking discovered time travel, while in a fucking cave, and built the machine out of scraps.
Exactly and probably U12 learn to travel with less hassle or eons before Bulma was born

>>153936662
So how do you stop them when the tournament is over and they want a grudge match with Goku?

>>153936699
The numbers have spoke. This is a good idea.

>>153936175
I agree with you on best saga.

Tenshinhan > Red Ribbon > King Piccolo > Namek > Piccolo Jr > Saiyan > Goku Black > Androids > Majin Buu > Cell > Pilaf > Beerus > 21st Tournament > Universe 6 > Golden Frieza

>>153936699
they maybe evil but they aren't retarded like kid buu

You tell them zeno is threatening to wipe out their existence and they'll have no choice but to work together and settle their differences later

On a scale of 1 to 10 how fucked is Bergamo?

>>153936519
>Why are they ranked on power instead of social and scientific and magical advancement overall?
That probably is what they are ranked on though. Faggots in these threads just assume it's power.

>>153936791
They're still inside Buu.

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>the DB Heroes/Xenoverse plot and race spreading happens because of U7's ranking being too low

>>153936175
The Tenshinhan arc is underrated as is the rest of Dragonball, but King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr were better arcs.
Teen Goku vs Piccolo Jr will still always be one of the best and the most underrated fights in the whole franchise.

>>153936830
>they maybe evil but they aren't retarded like kid buu
As soon as a fight turns against them their solution is to blow everything up. Cell didn't even know he'd survive his kamikaze, he literally went full retard.

>>153936784
That really doesnt matter though.

Just because some faggot in U12 invented it there before the earth was even formed doesnt diminish Bulma's accomplishment.

>>153936773
Then why are you even replying when the matter is that Tuffles are not cannon?

>>153936830
>they maybe evil but they aren't retarded
WEW LAD

>>153936842
Because nobody's ever broken out of Buu, right?

>>153933364
You know what would have been fantastic.
>They get told they have weak mortals.
>Goku comes up with an idea.
>Go revive Freeza.
>Since Freeza is scared of Beerus, he explains "With you dead, the universe has a lower mortal level then others, you need to be left alive"
however.
>You cant do the stupid shit you was doing, or I will Haki you.
>Freeza teams up with Goku's bunch to fight.
>Unstopable shit.

>>153936881
Super is just as cannon as GT ala not at all

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>>153936662
>Exponential growth
>Comes back from near death much stronger
>Can regenerate from molecules

Beautiful

>people dont know how averages work.

U7 is going to have the overall best top 10 of every universe.

>>153936878
I does matter because he did it first, so they either are smarter or have better technology.

>>153936898
None who have been successfully absorbed escaped without help.

>>153936607
Dude, the fucking writers for super are one part retarded one part lazy.
The idea of getting Frieza and Cell on their team instead of roshi, krillian and tien didn't even cross their minds.
No matter how cool it would have been, or how much heat it would have brought.
This isnt' even that serious. Look at how much a retarded childish cunt goku is being right now. Not even during the fucking cell games was he this fucking unbelievably out of it.

>>153936935
Yeah okay.

So why are Cell and Frieza going to just let Buu absorb them?

>>153936923
exactly, this is just
>Muh powerlevels
all over again I dont understand how people are not realizing this.

>>153936607
>>153936678
it's a type of lemon that makes earl grey tea what it is

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>Art from a year ago to now
Did this new arc save super?

>>153936907
Tuffles where a made up out of nowhere, Super and the manga follow a script left by Toriyama.

>>153936878
Anon's point is that U12 made that discovery before Bulma did. Bulma could be smarter than every single person in U12's history, but if (for example) on average every U12 resident has half of Bulma's intelligence then their technology would easily outstrip Earth's.

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>There are people actually wanting us to apologise to the menace
Wait for next episode, and get BTFO! There is a reason Toppo jumps in next episode...

>>153936987
Yes we've gone over this already, Shueisha/Jump saved the Toei anime.

>>153936979
Because people can be caught off guard. Only Vegito who prepared & planned to be absorbed wasn't successfully absorbed.

>>153936662
>>revive cell, perfect him even further with latest capsule corp chipset

The only tech in cell comes from 17 and 18.
He's 100% organic outside of those two infinite ki generators inside of him.

>>153936987
Gohan looks older than Goku at the bottom

>>153936861
Actually now that I'm looking at the list again I'd probably put Piccolo Jr. higher than it is. King Piccolo was good but I felt like it was a little longer than it needed to be.

>>153936175
It has been way too long since I watched the original Dragon Ball series, I need to rewatch it so I'm not gonna count it

ZAMASU > Buu > Cell/Androids > Namek/Frieza > Universe 6 > Beerus > Saiyans >>>>>>>>> Golden Frieza > all of GT

I hated the RoF movie and the anime version wasn't any better

>>153936996
Toriyama is legit senile

>>153936869
>As soon as a fight turns against them their solution is to blow everything up

nothing wrong with that, blowing yourself up as soon as you realize you're about to get killed anyway is a legitimate strategy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

certainly doesn't mean that you're an autistic manchild that braces for extinction

>>153937009
Just sop people know this as well.
Vegito is in the tourny too.

>>153937072
And? He is still the author.

>>153937054
Given how Super Perfect Cell works, he may not need anything.

>>153936724
I'm arguing the internal logic of what was shown.
It was bad logic.
Very bad.

>>153936295
top kek

>>153936728
uh, we know that the bottom 8 are all between 1.8 and 7.
and U7 is at 3.something
Which means MOST universes are 4,5, or 6
which is why I said they aren't that low.

If you have a group of 12 people, and 4 are seniors, and one's a minor, and you're in your mid 30s, you're a bit on the young side, but the bulk of the people will be middle aged too.

>>153937086
Have you ever seen some one go senile? They're not themselves

Eh, if I was Beerus I wouldn't feel an ounce of guilt. Beerus is the god of destruction, is job is to destroy things. You can't blame him for keeping that promise when that's literally the guy's job.

Plus Beerus is known to be lazy and slacking off the job so this is actually justifying his laziness.

Supreme Kai is truly the biggest failure for U7 though.

>>153936906
Frieza being alive wouldn't drastically raise the average. And even then, it's too late for a change in the rankings to actually do anything.

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>>153937081
A Goku apologist, ladies and gentlemen. Lets hope the Pride Troopers do away with you too.

>>153936842
buu gets his behaviour from the people he absorbs

he's going to try to wipe out goku anyway

>beerus blaming kaoishin for not improving planets with their god intellect

didn't gowasu do the same thing as kaoishin with not interfering? and his universe is ranked better atm

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>>153936987
Look at that proud smile
Super is really getting better with each new arc. Like the characters themselves in the original manga.

>>153937111
But still hold the rule of their work, it doesn't matter how senile they are.

>>153936987
Super was ''saved'' ever since they stopped retelling the movies
/a/ and DBZ elitists just don't want to admit this

>>153937173
Super isn't canon, end of story

>>153936648
Their ki has a physical presence. It automatically bounces off the furry and back to Gohan. He didn't need to sense anything.

Liquer is pretty cute, you think he has a knot?

>>153937112
if Beerus would have killed Buu, then shin wouldnt have had to waste 1000 years looking for him

>>153937024
explain

>>153937174
Not really. U6 arc was absolute garbage

Goku Black arc had its moments and was an improvement but still was a mess

This arc "feels" like it'll be different, at least so far, but then again the goku black arc was also really good 3 eps in

>>153937138
Traits like Piccolo's intellect & the Fat Kai's innocence but nothing like being taken over from the inside. Fat Buu was still a killing machine. As long as Fat Buu, not the deceased Kid Buu, does it, he's got enough innocence to go around.

>>153937185
If that let's you sleep at night

>>153937174
I definitely started watching it as soon as they stopped the movie retelling. The 6-7 universes tournament was when it got my interest.

>>153936987
RoF Gohan looks malnourished. I get losing his gains but he should still eat.

What is the point of this "Exibition" Arc?

Waste of time

I feel bad for the wolf that faced yamcha in the 21st tenkaichi tournament.

>>153937194
Come on, now.

>>153933364
He did well in before---

>>153933438
>>153933473
Whoops too late to avoid the shitposting.

>>153937277
I'm serious, he's a cutie

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>>153937161

This. Beerus probably fucked up with the whole Frieza shit.

Who knows how many countless good civilizations Frieza has annihilated to "prepare" planets in his trade business.

How come U7 had like 4 Supreme Kais before Buu but suddenly in Super every Universe only has 1? Shouldn't they each have 4-5?

>>153937255
wasn't that one piece's director or something?
also that haircut was so much better than his current one, shame they didn't keep it for the rest of super

>>153937259
>it's actually a filler in disguise

>>153937259
It's just Toei filler.

>>153937208
Shueisha stepped in as the definitive franchise rights owner including the new anime by Toei. They created a new editorial office dedicated to breaking down the walls between the different departments.
"Iyoku says that one of the Dragon Ball Room’s major roles is “commercialization inspection”. It seems they coordinate with Toei Animation, who make the TV anime, and “handle editorial supervision, official paperwork…" "It seems they coordinate with Toei Animation, who make the TV anime, and “handle editorial supervision, official paperwork…"
Also the old Yamamuro interview regarding episode 5 stated that the post production editing time has been reduced in their hectic schedule and that's what leads to the content looking rushed and poor.
A brand new department acting as the new editorial office definitely helps not only coordinate editing post production but you have a new team of staff dedicated solely on the editorial department.
Of course a lot of the new improvement could also be credited to the new Series Director Tatsuya Nagamine that they brought in which is a veteran that was has been absent in Super until now.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2017/01/05/yahoo-japan-discusses-dragon-ball-room-initiative-with-section-chief-akio-iyoku/

>Goku gave the Universe a chance to not be deleted

kek he got away with it once again

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>>153937259
It gives the manga more time to catch up to the anime.

>>153937259
probably gonna have a few episodes of "filler" between this exhibition and the tournament

>>153937122
>Saiyans are police force
>pride troopers are moral ginyu force
>u7 gets stuck with galactic patrol
I actually wonder if this arc will lead to them deciding they need to be more involved in off world stuff, and so Goten, Trunks, Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo go off into space to solve issues and raise the level of their universe so they can be immune next time.

>>153936987
Art-wise at least. Not just the look, but the art direction and storyboarding. It actually feels like DBZ now and not this weird cheap knockoff.

>>153937297
forget that
how many planets has beerus blown up because their food was mediocre?
freeza at least killed people with weak planets, they never had a chance

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>>153933364
there are people on this thread that are not hyped for roshi's battles

>>153936923
Came into this thread to say this. Seems like I don't have to anymore.

Then again with how the averages work you can have gorillion mortals with level 1 and few individuals with level 10^999999999999999999^999999999 to bump up the average.

>>153937354
The new Series Director Tatsuya Nagamine worked on GT, Kai's intros/outros, the first Digimon Movie and directed the new One Piece movie Z.
They brought in the big guns for the monster that is DBS.

>Zeno promises not to erase the losing universes if Bergamo wins, as the plot summary for episode 81 states
>Goku still refuses to just pretend to lose and proceeds to win
>episode 82 is titled ''Righteous Warrior Toppo Bursts In!''
>Toppo wants to defeat Goku in a desperate attempt to save the universes, why else would he ''burst in''?
>Goku is probably over-powered but still refuses to give in
>Grand Priest calls off the match, universes are gonna be erased because technically Goku wasn't defeated

Just a reminder of what's going to happen

>>153937316
>>153937340
This is gonna be in the manga as well you retards, one of the shots of the Grand Priest in this episode was literally taken from the initial reveal trailer of the arc which used Toyotaro's storyboards

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>>153937322
Bless Shueisha. The improvement is huge.
I hope we have another couple of years of DBS with improving quality.

>>153937112
I think the insinuation was that his job is supposed to be to destroy "weak" (by whatever the metric Zen is using) worlds. Which would raise the average overall. But instead he's more random or food based destruction combined with long periods of sleeping.

>>153933364
>angels don't get erased
Well played. They get to have all the fun despite being man servants to the Gods

>>153937298
East is the Supreme Kaioshin, iirc it goes East, West, North, South, and Grand. Two were absorbed and the other two killed, leaving just Shin left over.

Maybe the other universes just sent their Supreme Kaioshin while leaving the regular Kaioshins behind.

>>153937316
>>153937312
read >>153937322 you fucking retards

this isn't about muh toei or muh toyo anymore

>>153937193
They can't sense random ki floating around in nothing.
And ki that has disspated and isn't part of their consciously controlled or created attack or aura is no longer theirs or senseble by them.

Hey! Remember that kamehawave I used two years ago?
It just hit a meteorite!

They sense ki from things and from the environment. Not the ki they emenated.

A better idea would have been for gohan to just start pumping out ki from his body and created a massive ki field. And created a shadow of him in his minds eye based on the blindspot that he created by existing. You know, sense he didn't show any ki.

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>>153933364
>episode decently animated
>good fight
>manages to not lose and fight smart despite being poisoned and blinded
My faith is renewed. But what happened to Gohan's bang?

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>>153937363
I'm the most hyped. Also Krillin's.
I want them to succeed in at least one fight. I want them to get to the tournament with improved power levels or amazing brains. They can go job whenever they want after they gave us a sweet victory or at least a good tie. Don't fail me Toyotaro and Toriyama. I know you like these guys.

>>153937242
Don't forget he also has his handler MR. SATAN HERO OF THE OMNIVERSE

>>153937534
When you are a dad you can't look like a punk.
Do you want Pan to grow up as a delinquent?

>>153937424
You'd think they would have done it from the start. I would assume DBS is an important property in Japan.

>>153936923
U7's ranking probably just sucks because of Frieza conquering the universe unchallenged for who knows how long, Saiyans are nearly extinct, and other races that could be strong, like Namekians are largely peaceful.

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>TFW U10 got better """mortal""" level

>>153937461
The ones that were absorbed/killed by Buu are all Supreme Kais in status. The current Supreme Kai was the East Supreme Kai but since he's the only one left he's just the Supreme Kai but he was a Supreme Kai before Buu did away with everyone anyway. I was saying that the other universes should have multiple Supreme Kais even if U7 doesn't because why would U7 be unique in that expect when all of this is dictated by the same entity.

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>>153937298
did you forgot about this guy?

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>>153937575
>adult tomboy punk Pan

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NANIIIIIIIIII

>>153937512
>A better idea would have been for gohan to just start pumping out ki from his body and created a massive ki field. And created a shadow of him in his minds eye based on the blindspot that he created by existing. You know, sense he didn't show any ki.
thats what he did though

>>153937486
>this isn't about muh toei or muh toyo anymore
Yeah, exactly, it's not about "muh Toyo", this exhibition is just filler, it doesn't care who made it.

>>153937433
I can't believe this would happen.

>>153937612
I know they were all Supreme Kais, my point was there was a leader among the five whose rank was very specifically "Great/Grand" Supreme Kai.

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BAKANA

>>153937433
>one of the shots of the Grand Priest in this episode was literally taken from the initial reveal trailer of the arc which used Toyotaro's storyboards
Post it

>>153937637
Literal plot points are being presented here anon, its not filler even in the sense of "this is just to waste time doing mundane shit"

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>>153937536
>finally get to android 17s fight
>everyone pumped as fuck
>he jobs
this arc is going to be a nonstop trainwreck of failures. i can feel it. this whole arc is gonna be fucking gohan fanwank so he gets super sayian purple or some shit and everyone else watches

>>153937591
One Piece movies make more money but yeah of course he should have been directing earlier if he could be at 2 places at once.

>>153937338
>ass hurt over super ningen trunks even now
Sorry he beat your favourite fusion in terms of power, bruss

>>153937235
>was an improvement
U6 at least had potential to be good and gave us hiit and kaioken+ssjb.

the black arc was completely indefenisible trash that just ruined almost all canon and destroyed the marketability of Trunks completely.

>>153937433
>Toei use Toyotaro art for the Grand Priest talking, this prove that an exhibition before the tournament will be in the manga!
(You)

>>153937024
I don't trust Toei. They will fuck up just like they did with the previous arcs.

>>153937298
I think it's that Shin is basically the Grand Supreme Kai so all the other supreme kais we see are actually the Grand Supreme Kais of their universe

at least, I'm telling myself this

MEXICANS WW@

Who waiting for the dub?

>>153937684
If 17 gives us a good fight I'll be happy, doesn't matter if he wins or loses.

>>153937534
>My faith is renewed. But what happened to Gohan's bang?
Probably trying to make it much with EoZ haircut which had no bangs.

>>153937433

I don't want this to happen. The hating Goku for weeks before this was lame as fuck. Goku as a villain doesn't work.

I'd much rather just have people hate the Angels/Grand Priest/Zeno and give the tournament an air of desperation as everyone heroically fights on in their last stand.

>>153936607
>Cell or Freeza

yeah, having the one guy who is so consumed with pride he will throw reason to the curb just so he can kill one guy and the android with his same characteristics is a brilliant idea, what can go wrong

>>153937703
But anon, he didn't beat Cellza

>>153937575
How does having a bang make one a punk?

>>153937703
Too lazy to change the text

>>153936133
Beerus destroyed the tuffles, the saiyans and freizas race by ignoring his job. He caused the supereme kai to be retarded by sealing one in a sword and allowing the rest to be slaughtered by a moderately weak demon. Whenever beerus woke up he killed any strong race or ordered somebody else to do it, usually over their attitude. Its beerus' fault this whole thing happened. The namekians considered a strong race in u7 ffs.

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>>153933364
>Zeo-sama has ranked and determined

nigger doesn't give a fuck about shit except playing w his legos and fischer price space toys

high priest is the final boss

>>153937612
I'm pretty sure they retconned having multiple Supreme Kais with the Gowasu/Zamasu situation.

>>153937512
They can feel their own ki. They've never said otherwise.

He was sending his ki in small invisible waves. It wasn't dissipated they just didn't animated it. Since ki has physical presence they will either bounce off of, or at the very least move around the furry's body.

He was literally using his ki as sonar. I'm not sure what you don't understand.

>>153937736
I want him to job hard to tumblrella and then have her be beaten by someone else in one hit.

>>153937680
>Literal plot points are being presented here
Not an argument, manga and anime present same plot points in differenet moments. Don't you remember when Hakaishin-Kaioshin lifelink was revelated?

>>153937338
>No Red commander

It's shit

>>153937684
>upaet at Gohan returning to form
So it's fine when other adult sayains get their own transformations like Trunks, Goku and Veggeta but not him? Fuck of Anais

>>153937733
I will swallow the awful remake arcs just for the sake of hearing the old crew again.
Hype as fuck. Can't wait until the dub gets to the current arc. Kinda want to rewatch the entire previous series, filler and all, in anticipation

>>153937830
Do you actually know what filler is?

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>>153937703
>Cuncks
>Defeating anyone

Zeno killed Zamasu, not Trunks, anon.

>>153933927
There are quintillions upon quadrillions upon trillions upon billions of mortals in each universe.

>>153937771
It's almost as bad as bleaching your hair. Damn delinquents!

>>153937733
Shame Vegeta is not confirmed yet.

>>153937839
No, fuck that. He already has his own transformation, he doesn't need a new one.

>>153937691
I mean it didn't have to be him specifically. Just someone competent that could emulate the feel of DBZ.

>>153937810
His toys happen to be infinite earths.

>>153937297
Frieza would have made the best GoD.

>>153937876
I'll kill myself if they don't confirm him.

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>>153937839
i dont give a shit about fucking trunks goku and vegetables either. i give a shit when theyre showing off all these older characters and giving a chance for them to shine
then they job to the tournament rivals of the arc so gohan goku and vegeta can fucking beat them
like every arc

Shouldn't they revive Cell/Gold Frieza or something for this tournament? Surely they would be better than fucking Roshi or Krillin no?

>>153937874
So 90% of the regular Japanese male population are delinquents?

>>153937338
Where is Zeno's guards?

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Leave Toppo to me.

>>153937625
No he didn't.
They outright state that he used ki from SSJ1 as a sonar. Basically they stated that he bounced ki off of him and sensed his own fucking ki.

Two things are wrong with that.

1.They can't sense their own ki like that.
2.He didn't need to go SSj1 for that

It's just conceptually bad.

>>153937761
>spoiler
Maybe one day. We'll have to see how crazy this whole thing gets.
>>153937865
He certainly out performed trigger nigger.

>>153937860
There is no definition of what filler is.

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this episode's animation is preddy good

>>153937914
Do you see them being proper members of society instead of punks consuming that lolicon porn? I don't think so

>>153937910
And they would agree helping because?
Get real.

>>153937952
Because they don't want to be erased?

>>153937739
Turning Goku into some "deep" villian sounds like something Anno would do, not Toriyama.

>>153937924
>1.They can't sense their own ki like that.
>2.He didn't need to go SSj1 for that
said who though?

>Retards when U6vU7 arc: WHY IS HIT SO STRONG?? FUCKING BULLSHIT!!
>Everyone back at Black arc: WHY DOES A KAI IS ALMOST AS STRONG AS GOKU! KAIS AREN'T STRONG!!
>U7 is almost the weakest of all the universes

POWERLEVELFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>153937924
>1.They can't sense their own ki like that.

Says who?

>>153937924
Its less of an asspull then Genki Dama Super Future Trunks sword bullshit but I do agree it was nonsensical even as a Gohanfag. They could've at least partly deflected this into making sense by at least explaining WHY it would work as a radar when he turned Super Saiyan and why he couldn't do it in his base form but they never bothered with that.

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>>153937298
The answer is simply: They forgot or retconned it.

Which I'm okay with, the whole Kai thing is a clusterfuck anyway. There should only really be 1 Supreme Kai and 1 regular Kai. I'm still confused if the other Kais from the Z filler arc are still considered filler or if they actually exist but canonically unshown yet.

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So how does Gohan currently stacks in the tier average of power?

It's assumed the Trio De Dangers are at a similar battle power and Basil's fight with Buu pretty much displays the Trio brothers are at a much higher power than Bojack's transformed state, but a slightly lower power than Majin Vegeta.

Gohan at his base power was able to be on par with Lavenda, even with the poison slowly eating away at him along with being blind. So it comes to a decree that Gohan manage to maintain half of his mystic potential despite the 4 years he went without training. In fact, he may kept more than half after the fact he was still overpowering him in certain moments despite the conditions of the poison.

On top of that, Gohan can manage to go Super Saiyan(which they never really explained how he got that back) increased his battle power multiplier by 50. So combining that with his undertrained mystic potential, he was able to easily KO Lavenda with some type of seismic toss shit.

Right now, I would say the standings for the tournament fighters are SSBK Goku>SSB Vegeta>Full Power SSJ2 Gohan>SSG Goku>>Buu>>>Piccolo>Tien=17=18>>Krillin>>>>>Roshi

>>153937910
Yes, but this series is about badly thought out fanwank. Not well thought out and good fanwank that would make people go HOLY SHIT NIGGA GOKU VEGETA FRIEZA AND MYSTIC GOHAN ARE IN A TOURNAMENT TO SAVE THEIR OWN FUCKING UNIVERSE. SHIT JUST GOT MOTHERRFUCKING REAL!!

>>153937909
I am looking forward to Roshi and 18 but that doesn't mean that Gohan can't break back into the big leagues while they put up some decent lower tier fights, man.

>>153937888
Just let his old one 'evolve' like the super sayain and or super ningen shit did with God ki and human ki. Surely Mystic can be improved in a similar fashion.

>>153937977
>I DONT KNOW HOW AVERAGES WORK

Just beacause Universe 7 as a whole has lower "quality" (not strength) doesnt mean Cell or Frieza isnt a top top threat.

>>153937977
>>U7 is almost the weakest of all the universes
which is weird since U7 won against U6 and the only harsh fight they had to put some effort to was against Hit.

>>153937965

Cell and frieza are literally retarded and obviously don't care about their own survival if they are willing to blow themselves up because they lost or attack the person who just saved them while a floating torso

>>153938002
>Kai thing is a clusterfuck anyway
Four people to you is a clusterfuck?

>>153937965
Cell even self destructed wanting to kill everybody. If everybody dies he is happy.
I bet Freeza would follow a similar line of thought as revenge.

>>153938008
Stop saying Mystic.

>>153938008
Gohan can't do SSJ2 anymore, let alone Mystic.

>>153937923
>Leave Videl's hymen to me

>>153937924
Maybe it was that golen light thing that SS generates. Somewhat like how Goku defeated Yakon

>>153938058
>Mystic

>>153938008
>SSBK Goku>SSB Vegeta>Full Power SSJ2 Gohan>SSG Goku>>Buu>>>Piccolo>Tien=17=18>>Krillin>>>>>Roshi

We haven't even seen 17 in action yet since he went AWOL.

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>>153937677
here
and before you act like a retard and say they don't look exactly the same, that's not how storyboards work you fucking dumbass

>>153938040
Zenchan calculated the overall average of the universe, not the top 10 fighters.

Please god give Tenshinhan and the Androids good fights
I'll never complain about Super again if I can just see these three doing something helpful for a change

>>153938042
5 people. 9 people if you include the filler Kais who may or may not exist in a official capacity but technically unshown, 10 people if you include Elder Kai.

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JUST

>>153937112
He killed that dinosaur race that probably could have swept the earthlings because they wanted to eat their natural prey. Dude put a hit out on the saiyans because they had a pillow. He slept while the strongest warrior in the universe at the time cut himself in half. Beerus was shit at his job and exploited it. Hes like a kid working as a waiter that eat food off the plates as he was serving it and nobody could complain to the owner because he was stuck in a broom closet.

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>Zeno was going to destroy some universes eventually
>Goku saved U7 with the tournament idea

OUR SAIYAN

>B-but muh epic evil Goku

>>153938056
>>153938082
>Autism

>>153938040
HELLO AVERAGE!!!! AVERAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

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>top kek fight choreography?
>what's that?

>>153937995
Transformations provide more power. This is a basic premise of the show. Evidently that he transformed in order to achieve those results implies that he required more ki to get those results.

>>153937965
Why do people want villains in this? Lets say Goku or whatever, tells Frieza/Cell/etc., that if they don't help out then them and the entire universe gets destroyed.

Sure they'll participate for a while, then their egos will consume logic and they'll more than likely end trying to take down Zeno, one of the angels, or the GoD's.

>>153938112
Son "I don't need a senzu bean" Gohan

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>so many retards don't understand how averages work
>these are the people you're posting with
really makes you think

>>153938058
Gohan is a fuck ton more swole and buffed out then compared to the Freeza arc. And he's been training a lot more since then, he'll get his Super Saiyan 2 form back eventually. Also:

>Mystic
Stop.

>>153938126
Its literally fanon.

>>153938112
Is this what happens when you get too big a dose

>>153938112
Not even mad. Gohan made me proud: I teared up a little bit

>>153938040
Champa heavily underestimated U7 team tho, he watched Goku when he had who knows how many tons on him thinking he was that slow by nature

>>153938123
We don't know that U7 will be saved, something crazy could happen and they'll be destroyed and then reborn with the dragon balls

>>153938123
see >>153937433

>>153938024
>HOLY SHIT NIGGA GOKU VEGETA FRIEZA AND MYSTIC GOHAN ARE IN A TOURNAMENT TO SAVE THEIR OWN FUCKING UNIVERSE. SHIT JUST GOT MOTHERRFUCKING REAL!!

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/accueil.html

Here, have fun and fuck off

>>153938091
>Close-up of grand priest
T-TOEI STOLE THAT FROM O-O-O-/OUR-GOY/, R-RIGHT, G-G-GUYS?

>>153938133
The one and only time I'll get hard over a furry

Bless that new art director

>>153938133
I see no problem here. DBZ fights were always animated like this.

>>153938128
calm down autist

>>153938046
Cell was getting murderraped by an edgy 11 yo. That's a time when self destruction makes sense.

So what pushed toei to put more effort in animation?

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Why do you think generic american rock fits with dragon ball? Why are you unable to handle 3 seconds of silence? Why does that generic american rock need to be on every second for you?

So what's this about Bergamo vs Goku having something to do with universes being destroyed? I thought this match was just for fun.

>>153938135
That doesn't address my point at all. Why is he able to use it as a radar as a Super Saiyan with his Ki but not in his base form?

>>153938040
Do you know the difference between averages and ranges?
U6 clearly has some fucking intense skewing positive skewing

Anyone else think that the complaining is wrong and this arc is extremely interesting and better than any of the arcs in DBZ?

>>153938150
mexican education

>>153938133
looks great

>>153938133
Wait for the manga.

>>153938182
Are you retarded?
Toyotaro gave Toei storyboards, Toei animators are drawing the episodes based on said storyboards and what I posted is an example

>>153938040
AVERAGES

U7 Top Ten can still beat the shit out of everyone elses top ten and it'd still make sense.

>>153938194
>Wanting old ass boring music that seems to come out of a dusty early 90s closet

>>153937298
Talking about canon (so ignoring every anime only Kaioshin from DBZ), there was 3 regular Kaioshin and one Grand Kaioshin. The Grand Kaioshin is the main one, and the others are just "back-ups". Since every Kaioshin except Shin die, he's the Grand Kaioshin now (but there's no reason to point the "Grand" since there's no back-ups for him, so he's called just "the Kaioshin"). Shin is the actual main (Grand) Kaioshin and every Kaioshin in the tournament is a Grand Kaioshin too. See Gowasu for another example, he have no back-ups, but if Zamasu had finished his training, Zamasu would be called "Kaioshin" and Gowasu "Grand Kaioshin". There's no more Kaioshin in Universe 10 so there's no point on call him "Grand".
Also even if the Grand Kaioshin from other universes actually have back-ups, there's no back-ups on the tournament so there's no reason to call them "Grand" neither.

>>153938213
No

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>>153938165
>We don't know that U7 will be saved

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>>153938088
>Full Power SSJ2 Gohan>SSG Goku

>>153938156
it's what happens when the green mix isn't added to the daily dosage

wait, so there are 4 universes that aren't going to fight on the tournament? they are not going to even appear?

>>153938204
It is, neither universe gets erased for this match. Zen-Oh did pit the two weakest universes against each other for shits and giggles though.

>>153938206
plot summary for episode 81

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>>153938112

>Gohan haters fagging up the thread trying as hard as possible to shit on him
>it doesn't work

>>153938058
>Can't tell SSJ2 anymore

Why not? You can't unlearn these transformations and Gohan proven that several times.

>>153938223
Thats wrong though, Toyotaro has no involvement in the Universal Survival Arc.

>>153937974
>>153937985
Says every single fucking thing in DB from the exact nanosecond the kamehawave was introduced.
Do you have any concept as to how broken any fighter in DB would be if they could constantly sense every single bit of ki they released and their ki attacks on top of sensing the ki of other fighters?

They'd have full awareness of everyone and thing on the fucking battle field all of the fucking time.
It's like a fucking wall hack in a shooter. It's bullshit broken and would have made almost anyone of equal or even slightly lower level then a villian unstoppable.

>>153937995
Yeah, but it's kind of badly thought out. But the people who're still into super dont' really give a shit how illogical it is if you consider the entire canon of DB.

>>153937298
Remember how all of the kais showed up in the U6 tournament?
The supreme kai is the leader of those kais, not the only kai.

>>153938232
nigger what are you saying?

>>153938257
Toriyama saving material for the next arc.

>>153938257
They're probably going to watch.

>>153938091
>Toei use Toyotaro art for the Grand Priest talking, this prove that an exhibition before the tournament will be in the manga

>>153938240
>reborn with the dragon balls

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So as long as my Goku:Yamcha ratio is 4:1 I can keep my universe?

Zeo is a fucking private trackerfag.

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>>153938112
Had they called the fight over like 5 seconds sooner Gohan would have won. He didn't job and he knows he still needs to train. This outcome is great.

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is Gohan finally giving in?

>>153938213
>Anyone else think that the complaining is wrong
Yes, anyone hating on Super at this point is either an autist or an elitistic DBZfag (not that there's much of a difference)
>this arc is extremely interesting and better than any of the arcs in DBZ?
Too early to say that

>>153938243
Hey, I didn't write it. Check the guy im replying to.

>>153938091
Toei's Grand Priest has a way softer face and isn't looming as much as the angle is more even. As well Toyo's has a much more sinister smirk going on. All that aside its a close up of the same characters face of fucking course there are similarities.

>>153938008
Lavenda was clearly the weakest of the three, he was just deadlier than Basil because of poison.
I think you're ranking them way too high, but on top of that, you can't rank them compared to movie villains. Bojack's entire team were basically shredded the moment anyone went SS, or Gohan went SS2.
Even Bojack himself was at best slightly above Cell Jr level.
What we saw out of Gohan this episode, especially the way he talked about himself, He's probably reaching his SS1 cell game level.
Going super saiyan did NOT increase his power by 50 either. Just because Goku on Namek the first time he went SSJ was 50x his non-powered base (and a much smaller boost compared to his current fighting power, closer to 2x) doesn't mean every time anyone goes SSJ it's a 50x boost.
Gohan is most likely just above Piccolo, who's just above 17 and 18, who's a decent notch above Krillin, who's just above Tien, whos quite a bit stronger than Roshi.

>>153938240
Touche, I don't know why are we watching/reading this.

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>>153937733
>Still no news about BR dubs
I miss spongebob Goku

I miss him so much

>>153938141
>Revive Cell
>overpower him with immense ease as blue>>>>>ssj2
>he notes that you shit your pants at the mention of beerus
>he notes that beerus shits his pants at the mention of zeno
>he decides not to fuck with him

>>153938167
>What happened in this episode >>>> Meme theories based on episode titles

>>153937892
Yes he does? Are you fucking retarded? He literally is the only person who has gotten his potential unlocked. If he can train enough he should be able to go ssj2 and mystic. Trunks transformation is honestly retarded. I don't give a fuck if they're "Sayian" I really believe the only full sayians have the right to achieve the ssjg powerlevels. Watch final Goku fight is going to be SSJ3 God thing x10

>>153938267
Its literally the same two guys every thread.

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Pretty tactical fight

When did Super get uncucked?

>>153938284
HE LITERALLY DESIGNED MOST OF THE GODS OF DESTRUCTION YOU FUCKING RETARD BEANER

>>153938112
>LITERALLY STANDS UP WHILE OPPONENT IS ON THE GROUND
>Match is declared a tie
???????

>>153938318
>I don't know why are we watching/reading this.
Because it's waku waku

>>153938240
Chi Chi and Bulma aged like shit, another reason Killin won with 18 is the bitch stays young

>>153938133

>i've never seen an episode of DBZ in my life

>>153938008
>Full Power SSJ2 Gohan>SSG Goku
>Gohanfags being this delusional

I'm about to watch GT, if it's not complete garbage like you guys have been saying all this time then I'm going to personally go to each and every one of your homes and jack you off until your dick bleeds.

>stronger universes exempt
>goku's retarded ass is going to instigate zeno to include them somehow

>>153938355
Grand priest hates Universe 7.

>>153938346
episode 28

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This fucker here represents the viewers.
>childish
>want's to see big battles with flashy attacks
>decides if the universes/series live or die
>muh power levelrankings
>best friend is Goku

The archangel is Toriyama and/or the studio stand-in.

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>>153938355
Daishinkan is a hack

>>153938133
Might not be the pinnacle of fight choreography (why would the animators and story boarders blow their load in some exhibition match anyway) but it's still very nicely done by DB standards. Looks clean and fluid and on model.

>>153938346
last arc

>>153938370
GT is bad, but it's worth watching at least once.

Some of the concepts are cool.

>>153938347
Toyotaro only gave his opinions on how they should be designed, Toei and Akira took over on most of it. Stupid ningen
>inb4 "I was only pretending to be retarded!"

>>153938312
Oh, sorry

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>>153938355
Oy vey, stop whining ningeyim

>>153938240
They could just say it occured in a timeline where 'x' didn't occur and thus neither did the erasure

>>153938285
It has NEVER been stated or even implied they can't sense their own ki. In fact it doesn't even make sense why they wouldn't be able to. You're the only person to come to this conclusion.

In fact IIRC people even commented how they could feel their OWN KI in Cell.

>>153938377
I bet he really hates Goku for bringing another Zen-Oh into play.

>>153938204
spoilers said bergamo somehow convince zeno to not destroy the universes but only if he win

>>153938414
Either take this (You) for effort or post some source

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>>153938416
>Goku blows up Ayy Lmao into a billion pieces
>It is a tie!

>>153938148
Hes always been over confident, the minute he can chill out is the minute gohan can go to the next level of strength. He really needs to train with whis, tell videl to live off grandpas money and go train for real.

>>153938329
Are you sure you responded to the right post?

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>>153938416
best dad takes care of his kids

>>153938317
>doesn't mean every time anyone goes SSJ it's a 50x boost.
Yes it does
Thats how it fucking works

>>153938377
I think he's just fucking tired of being at the top unopposed and thinks Goku can rise up.

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>>153938355
>>153938388
Someone shoop this.

>>153938474
But didn't they say that the Angels disappear if the GoD dies?

>>153938474
Vados so smug :3

>>153938359
If Vegeta or Goku had a kid with 18 would they be Perfect Cell tier as a toddler being a Android, Human, Saiyan hybrid?

>>153938502
No they just go 'dormant'

>>153938502
They fall asleep if the GoD dies.

>>153938502
they said they ''cease to function'' which could mean anything from them simply going to sleep or just go chill out with their daddy at Zeno's place until a new god appears