Find a flaw
>>153928590
She's not bat.
>>153928590
I can't, that looks like a wall behind her.
>>153928590
the fact she has hair only over her left shoulder implicates messiness and a lack of care for her physical appearance
>>153928590
>crab
>flawless
funny meme
>>153928590
protip: you cant
>>153928590
She's not Kaiki, snail, bat, bee, or bird.
>>153928590
She's not my wife
>>153928590
shes a girl
>>153928590
I'm not inside her
She's violent.
>>153928590
No personality
>>153930014
That's no a flaw. That's a turn-on.
>>153928635
This.
>>153928590
She beats poor people and make them go homeless.
>>153930129
Whatever floats your boat, brother.
>>153928590
she cut her hair which made her become second to hanekawa who is both cute with long and short hair.
>>153928590
kaiki's sperm
>>153930293
>>153931093
the "character development" ruined the series for me, fucking nisio kill youreself faggot
>>153930269
>not wanting to watch your waifu overpower another girl who dares to inappropriately notice you
>not wanting to be threatened with all kinds of violence and sadism for going astray from her pure love and devotion
>not wanting someone who loves you so much they're willing to kill for you and kill you if they can't have you
It's like you don't want to live
>>153928590
The face.
>>153932229
>literally wanting an abusive relationship
wew
>>153933936
>literally rejecting True Loveâ„¢
>>153928590
>Not bat
>Watch Bakemono season 1
>Nadeko Snake
>Nadeko just seems to be a generic cutesy girl with a big brother complex, and doesn't actually have any internal conflict compared to the other girls
>Basically write her off as generic fapbait Nisio shit out (his works can't all be gold)
>Start Monogatari Season 2
>Nadeko Medusa
>Hitagi End
>mfw this was Nisio's plan all along
>>153933977
That's why you have Bat, anon.
>>153928590
you are just an inferior version of gif related
Insecure, blustery high school girl in a series full of better characters.
>>153934083
Bat is a Brat. She's cute but not very loving.
Sometimes her clothes smell like Kaiki for some reason.
>>153934671
>Bat
>not very loving
Please pay attention. She's trying not to make things weird, but her actions all scream out how much she loves Araragi. For people like you, there's Owari 3 where she breaks down and acts like a giddy schoolgirl with how openly affectionate she is.
>>153934840
really makes you think
>>153934875
She's just attention starved from having to hide in his shadow all day and barely getting to interact with anyone else.
>>153935387
First off, that's wrong. Secondly, she's still acting lovingly and considerately regardless of the cause.
>>153935497
So you want your wife to have stockholm syndrome? Anon, that's way more dysfunctional than a crab relationship.
Did redditgahara guy die?
>>153935550
Maybe you should go back and look for him. Stay there while you're at it too.
>>153935545
Owari 2 and 3 are dedicated to giving Shinobu both viable and attractive offers to end her relationship with Araragi. She refuses both times because being with Araragi is making her the happiest she has been in 500 years, if not her entire life. She could have ambushed and killed Araragi at any point during Bake onwards if she really wanted to get out of it anyways. The dysfunctional part is how hung up the two of them are on Kizu.
>>153934889
>Has a harem at his disposal
>chooses used goods instead of loyal 4 eyes or immortal vampire
why is aragagagari such a cuck?
subs for part 2 and 3 when
>>153936229
tbf, he doesn't realize the extent of their relationship. He just thinks Kaiki conned her and tricked her into liking him and she immediately stopped caring about Kaiki the moment she found out the truth. Araragi doesn't know that Kaiki is still on her mind even after two years.
>>153936060
I'll rewatch Owari, but you still haven't convinced me that Bat is any better than Crab.
>>153937657
Owari 2 is basically "Hey Shinobu, here's this hot, noble, legendary exorcist who would totally be a worthy partner for your legendary vampire self. He loves you and wants to be with you, so you could not be cripplingly lonely and also have your godlike powers. You also have have been nursing a crush on him and regretting how you fucked up his life for the past four centuries, so it sounds like a match made in heaven. Why don't you dump that random teenager?" and then she says no because she likes Araragi more.
Tangential question, but does anyone remember why Kagenui can't step on the ground anymore? Is it just "lol the ritual", or did they specify?
>>153938398
It's just "lol the ritual".
>>153928590
Kaiki's smelly semen
>>153936229
Inferiority Complex
>>153938575
> no Valhallagatari, Hitagi Vamp 2, Hitagi Family 1-3
>>153930209
this every time we have a monogatari waifu war.
>>153931188
I don't get it.
>>153934516
Wish Math was in the show longer so I could fap to Marina Inoue's delicious voice some more.
>>153928590
She's not my girlfriend.
>>153938855
Have you listened to her commentary from the Owari BD's?
Find a flaw
>>153928590
not pure
>>153940889
Holds everything in, and then blows steam off by assaulting people at night. Is a future serial killer.
>>153940889
isn't with araragi like she should be
She's not real
Why even live?
>>153940920
It's ok when it was Araragi
>>153940958
I tried telling myself I woudn't fall for them just cause of Kizu, but it really is asking for to much to see otherwise
>>153930129
If I wanted verbal abuse and threats of physical violence, I wouldve stayed at home with me mum
>>153941288
Crab's verbal abuse is clever and witty.
>>153928590
Hater Faggots gonna hate
>>153941288
but your mum isn't a hot young girl who's not related to you by blood, DTF, and in love with you
>>153928590
She's full of them, that's why she's so great.
>>153940889
fat tits
>>153942942
>fat tits
>a flaw
big fat cat tats once in a while isn't going to hurt you lolicon-kun
>>153928590
ARARAGI'D.
>>153928590
what the hell is wrong with her mouth shits creepy af
>>153943532
it's called a "Smile".
>>153940889
She is a commie.
>>153928590
Why shaft gave her purple hair
>>153945025
It's prettier.
>>153928590
All cute girls still look cute with short hair.
Senjou looks like shit with short hair.
Therefore, she is not cute.
>>153942942
>posting the loli who brags to rararagi about having abnormally large tits for her age
>>153938747
>tfw half of those will never be translated
Hitagi gets the best Bakemono doujins but half of them never get translated.
>>153946039
Shinobu and Karen get the best doujins, not even a Batfag or Beefag.
Hanekawa weirdly has pretty shit ones despite having the body for it.
>>153946089
Nah mate, Hitagi gets all the ones with actual story and all of them have above average art.
>>153946115
>with actual story
Nah, Shinobu has better ones for that. Hachikuji gets ones where the author bothers to emulate the banter too. The lolis and the sisters get the best art too.
>>153928590
Has no boipussy.
>>153928590
>If anyone better comes along, I will leave you.
>Find a flaw.
Sigh... when are you crabfags going to understand Kiss-shot Acerola-orion Heart-under-blade is the best girl, period?
>>153946155
You're completely wrong if you think this. You've never read the Hitagi ones then.
>>153938747
>Valhallagatari
Girls fucking each other with strap-ons is the most boring fetish, period. All the girls involved in that one have way better doujins, I dunno why you guys always hype up that one.
>>153946155
The one with younger & older Snail is top tier.
>>153946155It was because of a Karen doujin that I got into this series in the first place
>>153928590
She's a cunt
>>153946155
Shinobu, Hachikuji and Nadeko all have great doujins. Everyone else's are so underwhelming that it isn't funny.
>>153946115
>all the ones with actual story
All of them feature her being massively out-of-character, the doujins where the author tries to work a story into them are the worst. Best ones are the wordplay-heavy ones (like the doujin that goes into the Fire Sisters' name meanings, people still cite that fucking doujin when talking about them in general now even)
>thread suddenly becomes civilized when discussing porn
>>153946289
>Massively out of character
Except they weren't, they were based on her personality in the most recent LNs at the time, not the anime.
outshined by the goods he stores at home.
do not sexualize gataris
why do we get gatari threads with senjougahara every day nowdays ???
>>153946452
People are getting older and acquiring taste
>>153946490
shit taste
>>153940889
Insipid, vapid, boring, dumb semen demon who apparently is ugly as fuck when transported to three-dimensional reality.
>>153946490
This
>>153938575
You need to buy this fig
>>153946490
>>153928590
>plebbit girl
Get some taste, newfriend.
>>153930209
she just punished bad girl
>>153936525
>>153936229
>>153934889
>>153934840
>guy falls for girl
>girl has controlling and lying ex
>girl tries to go back to him
>guy knows nothing about it
where have i seen this before
>>153946347
what episode
>>153940990
>>153947945
Neko Kuro I think episode 3, maybe 4.
>>153948046
Just checked, beginning of episode 3.
Crabbies, why is senjugaurha so mean?
>>153948077
It's just her personality.
>>153948077
she is not really that mean, she just isn't your typical doormat
>>153947903
is this legit? I know it's from the op but is it confirmed that's how she's supposed to look??
>>153946089
Hanekawa has an excellent NTR one, and a decent one with femdom.
>>153946241
This. She has zero loyalty: She has said to Araragi that she'd trade him away with no remorse if something better comes along.
>>153928590
Boring with a forced personality (as in she seems to be trying to act like an archetype rather then being it.). The only trait of her that really seemed honest is her possessiveness. Also, it seemed like Arararagi started dating her more out of some weird feeling of responsibility to respond to her feelings rather then feeling that they actually fit each other.
>>153944964
Explain.
>>153948336
>Hanekawa
>Femdom
How can this doormat dom anyone?
>>153948336
Are you talking about the Raita one?
>>153948475
Yeah. Yukimi is amazing at what he does desu.
>>153948441
She gently milks him in his sleep.
>>153948415
>Also, it seemed like Arararagi started dating her more out of some weird feeling of responsibility to respond to her feelings rather then feeling that they actually fit each other.
That's what Ougi seems to think as well, take that however you want.
I do think that Gahara, Kanbaru, Hachikuji,or technically Ougiare probably the best "fits" for shuraragi personality-wise though.
>>153948538
I mean, she does it while he is sleeping, gently.
>>153948541
>not mentioning math
Please leave. Either bat or math.
>>153948585Real talk, if this series ever ends I genuinely think Nisio will go for the fuck you gag ending of having rrragi & euler being a grumpy married couple.
>>153932229
>>not wanting someone who loves you so much they're willing to kill for you and kill you if they can't have you
snek
>>153948585
Bat's too good for him, honestly.
>>153948631That sounds like a perfect end, but I doubt Nisio ending the story on a somewhat happy note for Sodachi seems unlikely
Obviously she is not black cat. Why do you make threads like these?
>>153948541wouldnt ougi and araragi be selfcest
>>153948739I feel that Sodachi's already sorta at that point by Musubi though. Yeah she's alone and still finding her place in the world but she's got money, a good job, an actual sense of control over her life and is on relatively good terms with rrragi by this point. Her, Kanbaru and Karen probably got the happiest "endings" within Off-Season I think.
>>153948631
>"Real talk"
Drop the ebonics, you degenerate.
>>153948706
And so is math, really. The only one who might be down to his level is Kanbaru. But regardless, the only one who -truly- chose Araragio was bat, so that should be the canon ending couple.
>>153948885Ougi is clearly Meme's niece though, what are you talking about anon?
>>153948920
>Drop the ebonics, you degenerate.
Nah fampai.
>And so is math, really.
Not seeing it. She got the short end of the stick of that entire ordeal for sure, doesn't make her better than him though. They're both passive to the extreme and have ridiculous issues of self-worth (though both are getting better at dealing with it by Musubi it seems)
>>153948914I hope it stays that way. Having her drunk father appear in the last lines of Fiasco was really undeserved
>>153928590
She talks too much on that gif
>>153949065
Most characters on the series talks a lot
>>153948920
>the only one who -truly- chose
What the hell does it mean to -truly- choose someone? Crab and arguably Snail did the same thing did they not?
Also that's shit reasoning that even Araragi thinks is dumb, he doesn't want to be in a relationship where the two sides can't think of each other as equals.
loool. it's cool
>>153949196
Why would someone want an animu girl who just can't shut up just like some 3D slut?
>>153948441
ara ara femdom
>>153949224
Did you even watch the series (or read the novels)? Senjougahara claimed she would drop him if she found someone better, basically a 3DPD; her loyalty is circumstantial. Like Hachikuji, they "love" Araragi solely because of some reverse saviour complex.
Bat is the real deal. And math is her "equal" in a grounded level.
>>153928590
I prefer cat.
>>153949269
Because they are far sexier than 3D sluts and if you get tired of them, you can just shut down the volume or the video. Can't do that to 3D girls
>>153948920
How do you figure that Sodachi is too good for Koyomi but Kanbaru isn't?
Also they seem like an ok match to me
>both are selfless to the point of being self-destructive
>both over-think every problem
>both now have a relative understanding of how each other thinks now, for better or worse
Only major difference is that Koyomi had a caring family, whereas Sodachi doesn't. Closest she has is that social worker who looked out for her, and now in a weird roundabout sorta way Koyomi (though reasonably enough she'd never admit that)
>>153949486
Araragi (and I guess Crab too) openly lust over Cat and Araragi lusts over his sisters too, what's you point? If her loyalty was circumstantial she would've ditched the guy ages ago.
>Like Hachikuji, they "love" Araragi solely because of some reverse saviour complex.
That's not why she agrees to sticking around after being brought back from hell.
>>153949644
I would go for a Japanese or Siberian 3D desu. They're basically 2.5D
You can't fuck a 2D. What you gonna do? Print them and wrap around your dick?
And if you get tired you can just break up
>>153949486
Didn't the spoilers reveal they had an on and off again relationship as adults? Crab talks out her ass, she can't resist the ragi-dick
>>153949644
>Because they are far sexier than 3D
>>153950538
Holly shit a man
>>153950349
What spoilers?
>>153950538
Please don't post 3D giraffes.
>>153950538
delete this
>>153928590
>flat chest
>shitty personality
>bad mom-material
>>153952201
>flat chest
????
>>153952847
God damn it, why did she have to cut her hair? Don't get me wrong, she's still sexy but lost a big part of her appeal.
>>153949652
Monogatari adheres to the "opposites attract" meme, so it wouldn't work. Same reason why Kanbaru wouldn't be a viable option even if she wasn't a lesbian, she and Araragi just get along too well and are too similar to each other.
>>153948434
check out Musubimonogatari
>>153948410
> She has said to Araragi that she'd trade him away with no remorse if something better comes along.
He asked her about it because he wasn't sure about Shinobu. Did she really choose him? Is it possible? Hitagi said that they both chose him.
>>153954972
The jojoke is that, to her, there's no one better, and because of the unique experiences they've been through together, there never will be.
>>153954972
>Did she really choose him? Is it possible?
Until something better comes along; >>153955030 is wrong in the interpretation. The text is intended to show how flawed Senjou is... but that doesn't mean she is not a reprobate. On her defence, they are both garbage people.
>>153955413
> wrong in the interpretation
Or maybe yours is wrong
>>153955413
I disagree.
>>153954777
I can only find mentions of her joining a "humanitarian organization", nothing about refugees or commies, thankfully.
>>153954972
I watched this scene shortly after I had re-watched the sweet scenes between the two at the end of the first season of the anime. Desu, it hurt.
>>153955937
> Desu, it hurt.
Why?
>>153956079
I agree with these two anons>>153955413 >>153948410.
>>153956205
Oh I see. You are a retard.
>>153928590
She is used good.
>>153956290
lol Shouldn't have included that (You) part. Still, there's no other reasonable way to interpret that scene.
>>153948410
>"She has zero loyalty"
>Hops countries to stay on his dick
Honestly, most people here probably wouldn't mind at all if she went off with some other dude and Araragi got with almost anyone else in the cast. There's nothing indicating that this'll ever happen though. The two are devoted to each other, for better or worse.
>>153954972
>I'll be waiting for you naked
>>153954972
>"and in the eyes of Kanbaru"
>even though we know from Hana (which Nisio wrote before this arc) that Araragi was the only one who kept in touch with Kanbaru after graduating
Fucking hell Nisio is it too much to just have one scene with the two of them together just hanging or something? Or even a reference to them hanging out offpage/screen?
>>153956883
>it's another "/a/ virgins thinking sex equals love" episode
>surprise twist: it's a "anon doesn't understand dependency" subplot.
>>153957205
Hmmm.... maybe Dekomori is the best girl.
>>153957397
Kanbaru loved her. And it's probably hard for them to hanging out now.
>>153957403
>sex equals love
Not what I'm talking about at all.
>dependancy
How? Gahara's a rich businesswoman who lives abroad and Araragi's a town cop, and they both make it a point to basically let each other do whatever they want? If anything what you're complaining about is there isn't enough blatant dependancy in the relationship.
>>153957578
> they both make it a point to basically let each other do whatever they want?
Thank you, now that you admitted that, we can you can drop the charade and you can stop claiming Senjou is devoted...
>Open relationship
>Loyalty
Pick one, or go outside into the real world.
>>153957578
>and you can stop claiming Senjou is devoted
Tell that to Nisio for making her entire characterization being that she could ditch him but willingly chooses not to, not me. I'm all for her fucking off from the story altogether.
>>153957403
>surprise twist: it's a "anon doesn't understand dependency" subplot.
Did you mean to say something else? It's not a "dependancy" issue, it's the literal opposite.
>>153956295
post proof
>>153955413
>>153955413
This just seems like the same old "Araragi isn't special or destined, but no one is really and it's not how relationships work" type shit that all the arcs in Owari (especially Mayoi Hell) conclude with, how are you guys spinning this shit into a discussion of Gahara being shit or not? You have the entire scene posted there yet you're still selectively looking at one line and disregarding the rest and disregarding what arc that scene is in and why the conversation was happening at all somehow?
>>153958290
> you're still selectively looking at one line and disregarding the rest and disregarding what arc that scene is in and why the conversation was happening at all somehow?
Haters.
>>153958290
Anon, but isn't tThe thread literally about Senjougahara been a wastoid? (i.e. "Find a Flaw", A: She has lots, proven all over the anime and the novels). And ultimately, both sides of the argument boil down to opinions and interpretations, not arguments based solely on the presented facts.
I think Senjougahara is nothing but loner-bait and agree with the Bat & Math people.
>>153958290
>Araragi isn't special or destined
He wasn't until Nisio thought it was a good idea to make Princess Beauty canon for some reason.
>>153928590
All skills points used on looks.
>>153958537
What are talking about? How does Princess Beauty make Araragi special?
>>153958710
Doesn't it talk about someone Shinobu would meet in 500 years time who'd save her?
So... is this the recommended anime viewing order?
Bake > Nise > Neko > Kabuki > Otori > Oni > Koi > Hana > Tsuki > Owari > Koyomi > Kizu I, II, III
>>153958869
It's just what happened.
>>153958961
Kizu first then release order
>>153928590
too delicious
>>153959076
All three kizu films? Or just 1, or 2?
>>153958961
Right. But there are two Nekos. And uou can watch Kizu before Kabuki though for more FEELS
>>153959141
You don't really need to know the conclusion of Kizu to get into the rest of the anime. I'd say you'd be fine with just Kizu 1 then straight into Bake. Treat Kizu like a prologue you can get back to later on.
>>153958961
release order best order
>>153959219
Does watching Kizu beforehand matter if I plan to binge it all of it?
>>153959224
Thanks.
>>153928590
where's her nose?
>>153959576
Kizu would help you to undestand some scences better. But it's not very important. Just watch in release order.
>>153959732
Thank you, polite anon-sama. That was my original intention, but been following these threads for a week and saw several debates about it.
>>153959576
Bake opens up with quick flashes of the events that happened in Kizu. Watching Kizu 1 first is good know who the characters are when you start watching Bake. You'll know why Araragi is working for Meme, you'll know why Araragi can be turned into ground meat and shrug it off and you'll know who the blonde loli isbut not why she's so depressed. I recommend Kizu 1 first because you'll have some attachment to the characters that you'll be watching right off the bat
>>153959809
Dissenting anon-sama, has Nisio come forward about it? Does he even care? Anyway, thanks.
>>153959873
I expressed myself wrong, sorry. What I'm asking is... Is Kizumonogatari supposed to be "told" in the novels after Bakemono and Co.? Or was it a part of Bakemonogatari that was omitted in the beginning when they made the anime?
>>153959873
Nisio wrote Kizu after Bake. Bake is supposed to be mysterious.
You don't need Kizu for Bake but you need it for Second Season.
>>153960059
Thank you! That was the answer I was looking for!
...which I just realized I could have found if I googled. Well, they don't call me autist-kun for nothing.
>>153960059
Personally, I don't think that kind of narrative structure translates well from novel to anime. Something things don't work as well in adaptation. I think that's one of them.
>>153960357
Head pat in Kabuki. It will be more powerful after Kizu.
>>153960559
I was referring to the not watching Kizu first because "Bake is supposed to be mysterious." It works well in a novel because you can take your time to think about the strange events you're reading about which can be titillating but when watching it, you're being told a story at a much faster pace. So instead of feeling mysterious, it just feels random, like a series on non-sequiturs. Having some idea of who the characters are beforehand mitigates that.
>>153960874
Maybe you are right. In 2017 people have opportunity to watch Kizu first.
>>153959088
DELETE THIS
Okay so wait, crab was actually fucking around with the creepy guy and played it off like she wasn't when he was introduced to ararararagi? And he still has no idea that she's stuck on him still?
Shit, being a Batfag feels even better.
>>153959224
Kizu is pretty important for the bits of Owari that deal with Shinobu since they get a lot more interesting with context from Kizu.
>>153961951
Oh come on.
>>153961951
Please get better at false flagging.
>>153961951
>the creepy guy
The further you get into Koimonogatari, the less creepy they portray him until you find yourself noticing that he's actually pretty attractive. Fucking Shaft, how do they do it?
>>153962045
>>153962070
I mean isn't that the gist of it? I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong to be stuck on an ex, but lying about it to a current partner is pretty bad practice if you're actually trying to get something in the long run.
I don't even dislike crab, i just don't think she's the best girl by a long shot. This sort of thing might lower my opinion of her though.
>>153962235
Welp, guess I'll have to start up the series again.
What's with the increase in redditgaharafags and where'd the snakefags go? There used to be a handful of snakefags in every thread, but now I only see 1(one).
I need all of you shitgaharafags to fuck off with your shit taste.
>>153948178
>is hostile towards everyone except her father and Araragi
>is still severe towards Araragi, and only loves him on the conditions that he always stays by her side and serves her totally
>treats her best friend who loved her for years like shit bc she can't be arsed to deal with her feelings
>forced a mentally ill person into homelessness over petty jealousy
>>>>"not really that mean"
>>153962593
See >>153946490
You have to be underage or underdeveloped to like snake.
>>153962679
Sodachi did it by herself. It's not Hitagi's problem. It was Araragi's fault.
>>153962593
I am a snakefag, I used to post tons before and declaring my undying love of Nadeko.
But alas, work comes before shitposting so I have little time to tell everyone how their waifus suck compared to mine.
>>153928590
She's got crabs innit.
>>153962734
Why would anyone want to acquire shit taste?
>>153962953
It looks like I'll have to shit post in my fellow snakefags stead.
>>153948706
Bat is really good, even without the connection she can pretty much tell whatever is on Araragi's mind, she doesn't need the bond for that. I liked how Kabuki displayed how good they fit each other, their banter thoughout the whole timetravel adventure, how it showed the current state of their relationship. Shinobu Mail displayed the development Shinobu went through after Kizu and how Owari just reconfirmed that she is indeed happy being with Araragi, happy enough to trow her pride as a vampire aside and just be bounded to Araragi's shadow. It was clearly different then what happned in Kizu.
>>153954972
In Shinobu Mail he chose shinobu over everyone else, just like Gean told him in Owari 3
>>153934889
This actually does make me think. Was Kaiki saying that the idea of her coming over was a bad joke or the idea that it would be her last time.
>>153962593
what if I love both
>>153965023
Then you are full pleb.
>>153965023
You can love them but they both can't be you're waifu.
>>153964428
Yeah, I can't wait for literal buddy cop banter in Shinobumonogatari.
>>153965072
I don't think crab would mind if I had another girl