>"Meanwhile, U1/12/5/8 all clock in at over 7. The Tournament of Power is really just an excuse to wipe out all the crappy universes."
>"So the winning universe is spared as a reward. Omni-King often said there were too many universes, so Goku's idea just gave him an excuse."
>thanks to Goku, Universe 7 will survive to Zeno's rave
The quality of universes has nothing to do with powerlevel. What grand priest meant is that universes with high quality of ningens are very advanced civilisation. Since beerus is a lazy fuck who sleeps there is a lot of cancer in his universe like evil.
Imagine a board having shit mods. The quality of the board drops. Thats it.
So are universes 1, 12, 5, and 8 just not going to join the tournament, they have to join but they don't have to worry about getting erased, or they can join if they want but don't have to but either way they won't be erased?
if they join and win then that means the other universes not stated automatically get blown the fuck up. thats stupid. That means theyre joining to genocide universes basically
This all started because the 2 Zenos were talking to each other and together they decided there are too many universes. If Goku didn't bring Future Zeno to the present, this never would have happened, as proven by Trunks timeline where the Universe is still around
It's still Goku's fault.
I'm sorry I ever doubted you Goku. You're a beautiful man incapable of wrongdoing.
>Alright, so...Universe 1, 12, 5, and 8 are exempt from the Tournament of Power, because the average quality of mortals in them is so high...
>The average "quality" of planets with mortals in each universe is rated. U9 is the worst with a score of 1.86, and U7 second worst with 3.18
>Meanwhile, U1/12/5/8 all clock in at over 7. The Tournament of Power is really just an excuse to wipe out all the crappy universes.
>So the winning universe is spared as a reward. Omni-King often said there were too many universes, so Goku's idea just gave him an excuse.
>All of the gods in the losing universes will be destroyed along with the mortals. Only the angels will be spared. Good for Whis and Vados.
>They don't really specify what level they're ranking universes on, but there's nothing said about strength. Probably just overal "quality".
>Beerus is mad at Kaioshin for insisting on having mortals improve their planets through their own efforts. That's why U7's score is so low!
>Kaioshin in turn blames Beerus for sleeping all the time.
>Oh, and the universe who loses this current Omni-Present Match won't be destroyed, since it's not part of the tournament proper.
Your kaioshin and god of destruction doing shitty jobs
ONLY FAGGOTS EVER THOUGHT UNIVERSE 7 WAS STRONGER THAN UNIVERSE 6
UNIVERSE 6 HAS:
>Metalmen and Yellow Bears who can tank the saiyan monkeys attacks
>A Frieza stronger than Frieza who is also a cheating jew who uses poison
>A planet full of saiyans stronger than regular saiyans, and they just discovered the SSJ
Champa is the most based God of Destruction and deserves to live.
Zen-oh would've eventually gotten around to destroying universe 7. Gods who have been around for thousands of years can take their time on doing things. Goku really just gave their universe an out.
>This all started because the 2 Zenos were talking to each other and together they decided there are too many universes.
>"Omni-King often said there were too many universes"
That's probably the reason why Zeno deleted 6 universes in the past, he just wanted to do the same now
>What grand priest meant is that universes with high quality of ningens are very advanced civilisation.
If this is true, then
>U12 were the first to discover time travel
so we already knew they have advanced civilizaitions.
setting up for goku wishing them all back. lmao. I swear one of the angels is going to get one shot by goku by the end of this. I hope its whis.
He just nonchalantly laughed at the thought of his universe ceasing to exist
LAZY INCOMPETENT CAT
Someone needs to appoint new GoD for u7
>tfw your universe gets destroyed but thats ok because now you don't have to go to work
>Zeno-sama is moved after seeing shitty universes can put such a fight
inb4: Zeno will realize all the universes have their value and won't hakai anyone.
>Beerus was mad the Kai's didn't help advance the mortals
With their civilisation. Zeno also blamed beerus for sleeping so much and not doing his job. Thus people like frieza and the sayians could conquer planets and enslave them.
I saw it already, but I don't think I can already assume it is the only explanation. Sure, it makes sense, but I think there could be more to it.
Daishinkan never said anything about advanced civilizations, people are only assuming it means that because of Beerus arguing with Shin, but I also got the impression Daishinkan was talking about powerlevels from what Daishinkan said to U7 and U9 about their universes being of the lowest quality and from the reaction of others in the fanbase I'm not the only one who thought the same thing at first.
An explanation is that Quality takes into account many things, like both powerlevel and advancements. Overall "quality, like Herms said:
>They don't really specify what level they're ranking universes on, but there's nothing said about strength. Probably just overal "quality".
Also, I think it is possible nothing was confirmed because Toei/Toriyama/Toyotaro want it to be left ambiguous for future arcs.
Either way, U1, U5, U8 and U12 won't be participating.
A shame, but I suppose they had to find a way to leave some universes out of it and they did in an quite interesting way.
>YFW Goku strikes a deal with the Zenos to let the people from the destroyed universe to be brought to universe 7.
Reminder that Zamasu did nothing wrong.
Also, Gowasu a shit.
What are the angels up to?
My bet is that the Grand Priest is trying to become the next Zeno and for some reason he has to destroy a few universes to do so.
Gowasu and Zamasu are my two favorite Super Characters. Crazy Kaioshin is my favorite character of this arc. Can't stand Reddit-oh, though.
U1 U5 U8 and U12 not participating pretty much guarantees that this won't be the last arc in Super.
I'm willing to bet that the single strongest fighter in the world is in U1. I'll also bet that U1 is the most advanced universe with 12 being a close second.
>post yfw Goku and the Z-fighters rek all the weak universe's shits.
>F Trunks life is suffering
it always is. Still.
the events in that timeline tend to mirror the present one in ways. so. maybe it will result in a tournament in another way.
Of course. Without Goku , Vegeta , Gohan , The androids etc. Good luck Trunks x2
Better make lots of strong kids with Mai in those extra years you might have
>universe was already on the chopping block
aaand there you have it , like i told you
GOKU DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!
>A Frieza stronger than Frieza
Nope. Frieza never had to fight in his life and was still strong. He trained for 4 months and became as strong as a super saiyan blue.
Frost fought on the front lines unlike Frieza yet he couldn't beat Goku as a super saiyan without cheating.
A lot of people thinkbof powerlevel because of muh dragon ball and fighting if you would look better into it trough subs or reliable sources like herms you would know its not the case. Also this perfectly fits. U12 for exemple had the first guy who time travelled. U7 for exemples has thr sayaians who conquers planet and enslaves them thus stopping them from advancing. Maybe a reason why beerus wanted to get rid of them in the first place .
>Zeno and Daishinkan ranking the universes on some arbitrary scale that we dont even know how it works.
>It could be on power, technology, or peace rankings who knows.
>Says he's amazed at two low level universes being able to put up an entertaining show.
>Will be so entertained by Tournament of Power so he'll want more future tournaments.
>Gives Goku blessing to wish them back.
nah, that would increase Universe 7's power way too much for future tournaments and what would Champa, the other GoDs, and kai do?
SUPER IS SO FUCKING GOOD RIGHT NOW! I AM SO FUCKING HYPED!! YES YES YES!
Botamo is basically impossible to defeat since he sends any force directed at his body into another dimension he is logically indestructable because no kinetic energy can mess with molecular structure resulting in him breaking.
>mfw kid gohan's design was from a literal who from dragon ball filler
Gohan was a jobber from the start
This hinders planets from further developing and beerus himself said he wanted tobget rid of frieza sooner or later. The fact that zeno even blamed beerus for being a sleephead just furher proves my point. Not to mention he blows planets because they cant cook for shit and not for their general quality.
>or reliable sources like herms you would know its not the case.
Herms himself isn't sure.
He said he thinks Daishinkan probably means overall quality, and overall quality might not just include advancements but other things like powerlevel, morals and ethics and what not.
>future Trunks' U7 is going to get deleted because Zeno always wanted to delete some universes
They would need the boost if the missing 4 Universes are as strong as to not have to fight for survival.
Plus it gives them an excuse to make the cast being introduced relevant.
Zeno's been thinking about trimming the universes since there's too much chaff in them he did it right away in Goku's universe since the monkey man's tournament suggestion would let him kill two birds with one stone, but even in Future Trunks timeline he will eventually get around to trimming the hedges and Universe 7 is going straight to the chopping block due to how wimpy its ningen are, especially with all of the strong people dead
>tfw no kek god of destruction universe
Sorry Donald, all I see is everything you try getting blocked.
He was planning to erase every universe except the 4 exempt before the tournament idea you idiot
The tournament is just a fun way for Zeno to do it and is convenient, and to see if one of the universes slated for erasure is salvageable
F Trunks is fucked
Daishinkan never said that the universe rankings were based on strength though. Just ningen quality.
Just because Universe 1's scrubs might be stronger than Universe 7's, doesnt mean Universe 7's top ten is weaker than Universe 1's.
>Universe 7 wins the tournament because of course
>Goku wishes back the seven destroyed universes
>Brings back the other six as well, all 18 universes are back
>six GoDs learn that they were destroyed
>anger and confusion mixes with already existing unrest and fear and blossoms into a full-scale rebellion, all 18 universes versus the two Zen'ou's
Looking forward to the sixth arc tbqh
Because Goku (inadvertatly) gave U7 a chance of surviving, instead of simply getting deleted, because Zen-Chan was planning on deleting the lesser universes anyway (which U7 is a part of).
>advancements but other things like powerlevel, morals and ethics and what not
Yeah thats what I meant as well. Civilisation as a whole. I just wanted people to know that it wasnt just about powerlevels and that those 4 exempted universes are necessary stronger then the others.
If Gero can make machines stronger than Popsicle then advanced aliens can make Majin Buu tier articial beings using ki science and shit.
You could beat saiyans by just inventing a machine that sucks the ki out of their bodies in microseconds.
Did anyone else find it eerie that Whis and Vados didn't seem to give one flying fuck about the deletion reveal? Whis even laughed at Beerus being shocked
Frieza never had to TRAIN. He was pretty active, he destroyed planets and went looking for the Dragon Balls personally.
There is no proof Frost has ever trained. He also seems to be less of a retard than Frieza (Not underestimating everyone and stuff). If he trained he would become way better than Frieza.
Frieza was the ruler of them and known across pretty much all of it. Since the kai's observe the whole universe the only thing more evil was buu. And buu himself is proof to how bad u7 is in quality since he is evil reincarnate
Goku's just a lucky fucker. Things always turn out fine for him in the end, but when it comes to intent, he displays a very blatant, rampant disregard for... Well, the whole universe.
It's like someone who drives like a jackass all the time, runs red lights, speeds, etc, but never gets into a wreck,and always happens to be in the right place at the right time out of sheer luck. Doesn't mean he isn't a jackass.
What if our actual universe is on the chopping block?
>As far we know his Zeno could destroy his universe 1000 years after
Trunks and Mai needs to hurry up and produce a lot of strong saiyan babies then, so their universe will be safe in the future.
Now that I think about it
Why doesnt Bulma just create an army of Androids to protect Earth?
She has the plans to make a fully automatic type like 16 , and the money to do it
They could have thousands of robots stronger than Freiza
They're not going to die, why would they give a fuck? They probably have been around for a long time, they might even have been angels in other universes, serving under other gods.
Frieza was a galactic overlord he was a nonfactor on a universal scale and Buu was a galactic threat, the time it would take for Buu to destroy every planet in the universe would be so far in the future that every star would have already ceased to exist.
>Top 10 of U7's strong beings (excluding gods) are conveniently placed on earth.
>stronger than all of the other universes
I mean it's not impossible but what are the odds.
The angels are much older than the universes they protect, the current 12 or 18 were probably not Zenos first universes , hence the Void world
for all we know they have seen hundreds of universes they were angels for die
It's Freeza's fault for exterminating so many promising species' under his empire to ensure he'd stay all powerful. This includes the Saiyans by extension.
It's Bibidi's fault for creating Majin Buu and dooming countless, as well as murdering the Supreme Kai who preceded Shin.
It's Beerus' fault for being so fucking lazy that he sleeps through crisis' that are his responsibility to end, like the shit with Buu and the Saiyans. Likewise, it's Shin's fault for being so hands off with all matters regarding mortals with the exception of Buu.
Universe 7 is a fucking mess where the people in power are totally incompetent at their jobs, allowing for all the power to fall into a small fraction of the universes fighters.
I know the universe thing isn't based on power levels and all but given how the very large majority of the universe is weaker than Freeza, heck, even weaker than the Ginyu Force probably indicates how shit they are
Yeah, and that only makes me more curious about these universes.
Especially U1 and U5. I wonder how Iwen and Arak's universes are like.
>you will never be from U1, having to settle for the shitty U7 instead
Zamasu was right.
Just because Universe 7 is second weakest on AVERAGE does not mean that U7's top 5 can't wreck the other universes' top 5. I mean, nobody believes U6 is stronger. Hit can only do so much. Plus the entirety of the U6 saiyan race already bumps up the average score by a lot.
It's more likely that U7 has a handful of top outliers and the rest are useless/scrubs (which we knew already).
Beerus is a lazy fucktard who has been stated as being a piss poor GoD.
Kaioshin is a litteral fucktarded newb who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground who only got the position because some random ancient chaos entity that predated the entire multiverse decided to set up shop in U7 while Beerus's lazy ass was having a multiple thousand year long wet dream about pizza and technically legal cat girls.
If they win the tournament (yes), probably.
The "quality" ranking means nothing because it's just average ningens. Universe 7 has a few near god level fighters but everyone else sucks which drives down the average. Universe 5,8,1,12 might have no near god level fighters but their farmers might be slightly stronger, thus driving up the average
>all of them designed by Toyotaro
Kek I just realized this
Mangacucks actually believed that based Tori would let any shit created by Toyotaro be relevant.
He's the final boss, right?
Should I make a Fan Manga branching off as an alternate timeline from Z, in which the events of Super never happened /a/?
I LOVE how they've essentially confirmed something that fans thought for years and that Shin actually is fucking awful at his job. Like, the worst
If anything, it proves that this won't be the last arc since there's 4 more universes they can use for something bigger later
The angels are sociopaths to the decimal point. why would they care, especially when they know nothing actually happens to them. Whis has been showing sociopathic tendencies since his introduction.
champa, vermoud , rumoosh gowasu are going to die. I know this because we have seen a point beyond this , with uub and all. if they get "revived" then that still means they died once
>Dark Goku theories falling apart since it was Zeno's intention to destroy some universes all along
It's not fair.
Once again, Shin acts like he's known Beerus and the other gods and how to do his job for ages but only just found out about Beerus recently.
Did fusing and being Kibito Kai for so long just fuck up his memory until they defused?
>Tfw Zamasu comes back from the future because he was actually really immortal and he was just rebuilding himself from nothing and BTFOs Zeno and saves everyone
Can't wait. He'll see that Zeno is the real evil.
Angels are by nature amoral because they follow anything God says whether it fits human morality or not. To an angel you are just a thing made by God that is meant to DO WHAT GODS SAYS NO MATTER WHAT.
The angels in Supernatural are a perfect portrayal of this alien morality.
Apparently Whis had never even heard of frozen food before Battle of Gods. Every other planet must just eat dirt and drink tea.
>mfw Roshi becomes Namek Frisbee level
>mfw Tien and Krillin become perfect Cell level
>mfw Androids become Dabura level
>hurrr durr I posted a picture of the constitution of the united states of america. I obviously know that Trump isn't allowed to do things other prior Presidents have done
Pedro, I know you're salty as fuck for Gohan jobbing and Donald, but things will turn out for a brighter future, i promise.
The GoDs are still going to be watching the tournament you idiot, it's just that their contestants won't be needing to participate in an universal elimination tournament.
Their average power level is double U7, you should be glad they left us some lore to explore for the next arc after this arc.
How can I be in a thread full of rabid spics, and yet you faggots still don't know basic shit?
Android 17 is really just a dick with no character development though.
Universes 6 and 7 are both surviving this arc for certain. If the "sister universe" theory is still being honored, that'd make sense. Even now, the universes exempt from deletion are joined by a sister universe and sum up to 13.
>Roshi abover krillin and tien
>Clown personally knows some warriors who are immensely strong and can save his universe from destruction effortlessly
>tells them to take a vacation just before the big tournament
ONE, NOTHIN WRONG WITH ME!
Cool. Thanks for remembering us.
Not only they are best universes, but they are best wins as well.
Ahahahha, the other universes really are just plebeian shit who are going to be literally BTFO unless they win.
Good job triggering me anon, that's a fake interview, you fucking retard.
if hes gonna die in the tournament im gonna alt f4 life
So why can't they sense the furries energy?
I swear to god everyone needs a gimmick.
I was assuming it's because they're from another universe. They could sense U6 because they are twins but outside that, it doesn't work
Though they haven't officially said why yet
>Android 17 is really just a dick with no character development though.
He's going to be U7 dark horse and get character development via flashbacks and in this arc.
>The universes were going to get wiped out anyway
>Thanks to Goku they all get a fighting chance to survive
>Suddenly universe are exempt now
>No everybody hates Goku and U7 storyline
>Tourny will be shorter now that universes are excluded
>The winner of ToP will just wish the erased universes back and then the weaker universes in the the ToP will have an all out war against Zeno and the universes that didn't participate in the ToP.
>Goku and Ayy and Hit and Vegeta and Toppa will be allies
>DBS Civil War is the next arc
>Universes against Zeno led by Punished Zeno vs Universes for Zeno led by Future Zeno
>Grand Priest reveals the big twist
>Everyones reaction animation is just a copy paste of them standing there not moving from a previous episode
Krillin using the Kienzen in an important situation and accomplishing something
meanwhile Tien's Tayoken has been one of the more important techs in the series and the kikoho hits WAY above his weight level
>No Gohan can curbstomp the fuck out of Buu
No. Buu toyed with a roided basil. Gohan drew with a clean lavender. Poison doesnt even do anything to buu. Not to mention one candy beam/absorption and gohan is gone for
>I swear to god everyone needs a gimmick.
Yes, welcome to the world of Dragon Ball.
>monkey man + slug man + lizard man = cicada man
Two things that'll probably happen
>Goku wishes back all 18 universes
>Goku wishes back all inhabitants of the other universes and there will be six expanded universe, keeping the pair rule, and having it be so that each universe number equals 7 (1+6,2+5,3+4) because it equals the amount of dragon balls.
so would this be the same state or a new transformation (seeing he has no sparks in the video)
so you guys think that universe 7 would be any higher in rankings if they just let all of the bad guys live
Still counts, Jobhan strikes again
No, there hasn't been so many bad guys that the average would be drastically affected.
>gods evaluating universes by power levels
>balance system was a bullcrap to please a kid and probably the grandpriest with the fucking power level bullshit
>angels don't go to sleepmode without their gods of destruction, it was bullshit
>grand priest talking like Zamasu did with the superior moral shit
>evaluating universe power levels out of their ass
>more discussions about power levels and random numbers because they wanted to throw shit around
Are they mocking with the people that discussed for years with power levels and Zen-Oh is our fault? Or are they just insane and want to throw unnecessary things out of their ass?
And why couldn't this be just a tournament instead of nonsense like this?
And how do they even evaluate universes mortal level like that? Zen-Oh isn't because he didn't even knew what a Super Saiyan was and the tournament is a first time thanks to Goku, Beerus and Champa
The tournament is about power. I don't think they will fight with science inside of an arena
kaioshin/hakaishin coup to usurp the angels when?
So why isn't Universe 7 building another time machine now and use the Super Dragon Balls to give all fighters invincibility? They could also get eternal youth and train for a few billion years.
Better yet, she could give the current z-fighters Cyborg enhancements to put them on par with 18 and 19.
They might even be stronger considering Lapis and Lazuli were ordinary humans before enhancements.
>Beerus slimmer and stronger
>Sleeps all the fucking time
>Shin too much of pussy and thinks he shouldn't progress life on his uniform he just wants to watch things play out
>Champa the fatass gets shit done and actively hunts Super Dragonballs and his only flaw is he eats too much but if he lost that weight he would beat the shit out of Beerus
>That fat Kai of U6 probably puts in work too more than the lazy perverted shits of U7
>Beerus gifted U6 a fresh revived earth and their earthlings are probably already more advanced than U7's
U7 is shit. Vegeta and his family are the only people who deserve to move to Salad of U6 and let U7 get erased.
>toei gets death threads from gohanfags
I swear to fucking Gooooooooooood
>Gohan can't even go ssj2
The first wolf was so much stronger than the second.
It's pretty hilarious that they cut it down to 8 universes. Classic Dragon Ball getting to the final 8 as fast as possible.
It's going to be a knockout tournament which goes a little something like this.
QF1:Universe 7 vs random
QF2: Universe 6 vs random (we only get to see parts)
QF3: Clown Universe vs random (we only get to see parts)
QF4: random vs random (we dont get to see)
SF1: Winner of QF1 vs QF1 (Universe 6 vs 7)
SF2: Winner of QF3 vs QF4 (Clown Universe vs random) (we only get to see parts)
Final: U7 vs Clown
Isnt plot just amazing?
Though the most nonsensical thing in Dragon Gonads is the fact being inactive in training makes you weaker, their power comes from that magic shit called ki as long as their ki levels are high then they can logically NEVER EVER GET WEAKER.
>The tournament is about power.
And the most powerful of the lowest quality can survive. Zeno was already planning to destroy a bunch of universes. I doubt powerlevels were on his mind.
Maybe he could crash at his dad's house until Zeno makes a new universe
I was the only one who supported goku since the beginning of this arc
Stop, you stupid fuck.
Gohan is coming back because he is the one with the biggest potential out of all fighters, if you actually watched the anime instead of reading that garbage manga made by Toyotaro you would understand that. He has been training with Piccolo for a reason, he is slowly getting there and will soon return to where he belongs in the story.
>Gohan didn't job this episode
Gohanfags believe this.
Yamcha didnt job against the saibaman then since technically its a draw
They train because they are saiyans complete fighting lunatics. Its bullshit that being inactive makes your total ki count drop its the most logic bending bullshit in this series because it implies if the sun stopped moving for like 1 million years it would lose alot of power which is BULL FUCK.
These dudes are basically energy reactors on steroids and you are telling me NOT TRAINING CAUSES THAT ENERGY TO MAGICALLY DISSAPEAR?
>>angels don't go to sleepmode without their gods of destruction, it was bullshit
Bullshit rule Toei made up so people don't go full Frodo on them
>why didn't Whis do shit?
One of the dumb rules that were only introduced to make the Black arc work. The whole "Kaioshin are linked to GoDs" feels the same, especially considering U7 had multiple Kaioshin that should all have been linked to Beerus. Why the fuck wasn't he worried when Buu killed all but one of them?
YA BOY GOWASU will continue to prosper the ningens with his KamiTube
>7 years from this to the beginning of the Buu arc and Gohan can still go ssj2
>considerably less time from mystic to the current, yet gohan can't even go ssj2
why? why can't he go ssj2?
I've got a feeling when the manga is released he goes ssj2 in this fight. Toei were just given basic things like >poison >blinded >tie, then they're to retarded to make him go ssj2.
Also /tv/ has a big guy and /mlp/ has luna
As a matter of fact it's Toyotaro that kept drawing Gohan as a powerful adult that never really dipped in power. This is showcased in his inclusion in chapter 1's cover and his heroic deeds in the RoF promo chapters.
Toei on the other hand reduced him to a little fuckboy until Shueisha came and took over the anime.
Bra was born around the same time as Pan for a reason.
They are going to fuse permanently and become one, uniting the bloodlines of both Goku and Vegeta to make the ultimate fighter in the entire Dragon Ball.
With their bloods combined with Gohan's potential there is nothing that will be able to stand Brapan's power.
>a moon horse with a good butt being a match for bane posting
>/soc/, /mlp/, /pol/, /tv/ and /r9k/ tournament where they must shitpost as hard as they can in other contestants boards
>in the end it's revealed that all of them will be deleted anyways no matter who won
Pretty good art this episode. How you guys liking Gohan's "updated" design?
Has to go from biggest virgin to baby making machine to save a universe
I dislike not having power levels. I know these furry people are supposed to be strong, but they're jobbing something fierce. Are they SS2 strong or stronger since Buu is about SS3 strong?
There's a big difference between SS2 and SS3 strong. What am I saying, they don't give any fucks about consistency in power levels. This is what battered house wives must feel like.
Her body got fucked up by that Super Saiyan dick.