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>>153926366
>it won’t be possible to really go further in one film, so they had to tie the main story up
So they are rushing it? This self imposed 4 movies limit makes no fucking sense. Q really fucked it beyond repair.

>make remakes with the intention of altering NGE's story
>have the remakes simply repeat NGE's story but with additional fanservice, even casting aside the new elements that were teasingly introduced

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>>153926366
>softpinkfags btfo

Mari a shit.

>>153926366
>it won’t be possible to really go further in one film, so they had to tie the main story up, and that Mari may have almost no screen time

No fucking shit Khara

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING WITH 3.0 MY GOD

I have a hard time accepting that movie is canon unless I convince myself that's its some contrived meta statement on how Anno feels the only way to get otakus to go outside like he originally tried to is by destroying their beloved anime series through intentionally making the movies bad

>>153926475

I want to believe that the official title change to "3.0 + 1.0" means they're going to (RE-DO) 3.0 entirely.

4.0 will actually be the FIFTH film in the Rebuild franchise.

bump for Rebuild being the only reason I still come to this board after a decade

Any status on 4.0? Did Ano just give up on it.

>>153928178
Yes, it's cancelled

>>153928178
>>153928253
I wish. Eva is deserving a peaceful death and not being milking as a corpse.

>>153928178

He directed Shin Godzilla to take a break from Rebuilds after 3.0. Said he got burnt out.

Now they've just started working on 4.0 (or 3.0+1.0??), most likely beginning official business in Fall 2016.

I think we'll see a teaser by the end of the year.

God knows we deserve it.

>>153928415
Feels like another Half-Life 3.

>>153928415
I'm really curious to see how he's going to salvage the 3.0 movie without playing the reset card

>>153926366
Do Marifags exist?

>>153928500

see >>153927432

I think this unlikely twist is our only hope, sadly

Anno didn't know what he was doing. He's creatively blocked up.

should i show NERV being attacked and ruined like 3.0 was supposed to be about?
should I further illuminate what Mari's agenda is?
should I show Misato and Asuka grew up during the past decade and learned how to handle a fucked up, stupid, horny, miserable 15 year old boy?

>A 20 minute long piano scene that reminds you of just how hard gay these two are while Gendo sits in his ruined office in his signature Gendo Pose and Rei is just Gendo's fuckdoll? Yes this is perfect, pure Evanjellyon

>>153928531
Unless he decides to go for rotoscope ending... And everyone applauding

>>153928553
>He's creatively blocked up.

He just knows how to make money, this is his cashcow now. He's just George Lucas

>>153928553
Gendou's private detective adventures spin-off. I would watch it

It will never be released.
I know it, you know it.

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>>153928553
The funny thing about Asuka is she hasn't changed at all MENTALLY, and still calls people by silly nicknames. She still acts 14 years old.

>>153929040
Which is retarded because Asuka's character is all about growing up early. Which also reflected her hate of Shinji being hate of herself as they were similar in age and personality.

Now she literally can't grow up and has a much longer life and more experiences than Shinji

>>153929165
This is the problem when you rewrite Asuka's character to only circulate around Shinji, she's not her own independent person. A lesser extent Misato, and yet still.

>>153926366

The Rebuilds were a fucking mistake.

Anno is a colossal greedy hack.

>>153928553

OP's interview is pretty much confirmation that Mari is Gendo/Yui's age and that she's still young bc of the Curse of Eva

That, and Shinji being depressed, is about all we can surmise for 4.0/3.0+1.0 thus far

>>153928553

>that last sentence

Fuck now I'm gonna have to explain to my gf what's so funny on the computer

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>>153926366
Now MariXAsuka looks really weird considering Mari is probably in her 40s. I'd much rather see Asuka alone.

>>153930658

Mari wrote Flip Flap as a sexual outlet for her lust for her best friend's daughter.

Someone needa to send a gigolo to Anno's house to seduce and fuck his wife. Film it and send it to Anno so he can become depressed again and start making good anime again.

>>153931893
Is she even a lesbian in Rebuild? She was sniffing Shinji and shoved her breasts in his face.

>>153926475
>Q really fucked it beyond repair.
They had no fucking idea what to do with Mari since 2.0 preproduction.

>>153926366
sweet butt

>>153929040
And yet Anno want us to see Asuka as a mature person while Shinji is a selfish brat. Well, Anno want us to root for Willie too so he has some fucked up perspectives

>>153933648
Asuka doesn't seem like she has matured in over a date, she's still the same old Asuka screaming at Shinji and being "tsundere"

Compare her to Misato, Ritsuko and Suzuhara.

>>153933813
>date

lol, I meant decade..

>>153928553
>Mari's agenda
Lilith's agent. Protector of the Children. Godmother of Shinji's.

Is 3.0 still the biggest fuck you to the Eva audience ever?

I don't know what the fuck he was thinking when he made Q.

It was like he tried the edgiest stuff he could possibly think of and made a fanfiction-tier film.

I don't know how that translate into cash sales, but I guess Eva can do no wrong.

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>>153933988
Basically its Anno thinking Kaworu is a good character like Lucas thinking Jar-Jar Binks is a good character.

>>153934196
Mari is the Jar Jar of Eva, except some fans like her because she has boobs

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>>153934284
can't forget the megane as well

>>153934284
Well, Mari barely has any scenes. Kaworu is thrown in everyones faces with the creator pretending this is some good character, giving him big scenes.

There is a reason why Neon Genesis Evangelion is better than Evangelion Rebuild. Kaworu is at the source of this problem.

I remember telling people 2.0 was overrated and Mari was a garbage character..

3.0 just solidifies it and retroactively makes 2.0 worse.

>>153934902
1.0 and 2.0 were garbage too and Kaworu barely appeared. In fact I was expecting Kaworu taking the spotlight on 3.0 considering how hungry the fujos were after being trolled by 2 movies. Kaworu was featured heavily on the publicity but he had small cameos so probably the fujos were bored to tears except during the few seconds with Kaworu. Also after 1.0 it became obvious Rebuild was about making money and Kaworu means money

The initial impression of rebuild was Shinji looking like he was going to try to kick reason to the curb and gar the fuck up. Instead he just fails, like he always does, and then turns all homoerotic because the girls all mock and deride him.

>>153934514
Oh shit is she that Overwatch girl

>>153935529
*'s inspiration?

>>153934902
>There is a reason why Neon Genesis Evangelion is better than Evangelion Rebuild
>Kaworu is at the source of this problem

Rebuild has been hot fucking needless cashgrab garbage since the first one.

>>153935618
Why doesn't he just sell the IP if he hates it so much?

>>153935618
1.0 was decent for a statard retelling

>>153926705
>Like Anno would so dumb as to let anything else happen
He may not be great, but he's not stupid.

>>153935393
>Rebuild was about making money and Kaworu means money

3.33 did worse though than 2.22 in all aspects, which proves the experiment failed.

>>153935706
What does he think of Mari, anyway?

People in evageeks defend this saying than rebuild is shinji story.
Holy shit they really are like crazy fans than can not accept than Anno can make bad films and is some kind of brilliant director.

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>>153935663
>if he hates it so much
It's far worse

He just understands he can drink from the never ending golden fountain that is Evangelion no matter what he does to it

>>153935619
Well the merchandising work well, khara still sell homoerotic stuff about shinji and kaworu.

>>153935717
It makes more money than 2.0 on the box office and Kaworu is Japan's favorite character. 3.0 sold less BDs because it alienated the waifufags wanting more screentime for their waifus. Remember modern anime is about selling characters to the audience, not the plot

>>153935805
That is the reason of why he say than is gonna let other people direct evangelion stuff in the future.
He want to make eva the new gundam.

>>153926366
>Gunbuster 3
WHAT

>>153935917
I guess its a west vs east thing, and japs are known for their shit taste.

>>153935917
What do Japanese see in him? He's not a good character.

>>153926475
>NGEfags: Rebuild blew it and Q was an irredeemable piece of shit.
>Rebuild-babbys: But, you can't judge it until the last move comes out, it will fix everything and will retroactively Make Rebuild Great Again!
>Eva makers: We fucked up and can't solve everything in one move.
Fucking beautiful.

>>153936176
It's the same audience that made K-on and Love Live into mega hits so big that reach the mainstream

>>153936253
Evageeks in suicide watch

>>153936316
So its a fad, just like shonen at one point.

>>153933988
>Is 3.0 still the biggest fuck you to the Eva audience ever?
Surely you mean 'the biggest fuck up'. Big difference.

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>>153936253
>>153936323
I wonder what this guy think about Sadamoto's recent interview

>>153935958
Didn't Gainax sell that to production IG along with FLCL?

Also, you now remember that there's a new FLCL coming up and that's fucked up.

>>153934196
Mari is JarJar, Kaworu is the Darth Vader of Eva. Good in small doses, and great for a final confrontation ending on an act of redemption. But if you go back exploring him beyond that you get fucking Anakin.

>>153935952
>new gundam

What is that even supposed to mean?

>>153936470
Who gives a shit. If he was dumb enough to defend Rebuild after Q his opinion is dumb and not worth considering. Especially if he's hanging to the 'Eva is a critique of waifus' without giving a damn how hypocritical it is given all the Kaworu pandering.

>>153936488
>Also, you now remember that there's a new FLCL coming up and that's fucked up.
Can't wait to see how they fuck up that one.

>>153936786
Relax dude. I just found his post hilarious. I don't like Q either and I fucking hate Kaworu on Rebuild (HUUUURRR YOU DID ALL OF THIS) but your hateboner for Kaworu is showing. Let me guess, you're a Reifag

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>>153936928
>your hateboner for Kaworu is showing
I used to like Kaworu. Used to. But then he kept getting bigger and bigger in each iteration while not actually improving the story. And then Q happened. So that love is dead.
>Let me guess, you're a Reifag
I am, and I take it with pride, it was mostly us and an odd Soryufag every now and then who gave a damn about how they fucked up the story and the characters. While everyone else was going "Kawuggu is so cute, Shinji's best girl, Mari's so kool and mysterious, sweet Reifag tears... Rebuild is a masterpiece and 4.44 will retroactively prove it".
The truth was Khara didn't know what the fuck they were doing and we fucking called it. We get to say 'I told you so".

I think it's pretty obvious the fourth film will mostly be Shinji Asuka and Rei traipsing through the desert and thus there will be little screetime for an auxiliary character like Mari. It's clear the Anno thinks the deeper something is, the less stuff happens in it.

- Half of EoE was Shinji introspecting - DEEP
- Rebuild 1 was mostly just the first few episodes and introducing stuff - NOT PARTICULARLY DEEP
- Rebuild 2 was jam packed with shit happening - NOT DEEP, BUT FUN, AND YOU SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED FOR ENJOYING IT
- Rebuild 3 had some action at the beginning and end (the context for which is mostly incomprehensible), the middle was a boring expanse of piano lessons and Shinji being awkward and confused - VERY DEEP
- 3+1 will be mostly Shinji and Asuka walking back to wherever they're going and arguing the whole way, while Rei asks "what is hate?" then Misato and friends will find them, some necessary action scene briefly happen, a confusing metaphysical event will take place, bittersweet ending - DEEP

>>153937820
so just so we're clear, you're using DEEP sarcastically right?

>>153932168
No, but then again, Mari is not even a character. She's just a merch bait.

>>153935798
NGE was Shinji's story: Rebuild is a story of a lazy cashgrab and bad writing.

I still like Kaworu

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>>153939745
Me too, anon.

>>153938033
Well of course, its like a new transformer in the latest transformer game/comic/cartoon/movie/anime, and the rebuild movies amount to nothing more than just something like that.

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>>153935952
>>153936677
Evangelion SEED, with an OP by TM Revolution.

>>153935618

Regardless, a lot of people were interested to see where things were going after 2.0 gave us an awesome looking "next preview" at the end

and 3.0 just shit in all of their faces

>>153935798

The Evageeks consensus on 3.0 is that it's so intentionally construed and totally plot-driven because it's supposed to make the viewer feel just as confused and helpless as Shinji.

It's still shit. Even the psychological scenes that Evangelion typically does so well are uninspired CGI shitfests in 3.0.

>>153928624
hes actually competent and capable of keeping up with the status quo though. people bash these remakes but theyre making money in nihongo land

The shitstorm 3.0 caused was amazing, can't wait to see what will happen to /a/ with the next one.

>>153936828
is gainax even working on flcl? or is it mostly ig? if its mostly ig then its going to be the Imortal Grand Fooly Cooly narrated by steve blum

>>153927147
>WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING WITH 3.0 MY GOD
They weren't thinking anything. 3.0 might just be the biggest fuck up in anime history. It added literally NOTHING of worth to Evangelion and completely ruined what was, to that point, a fairly interesting retelling of the series. Anno just had another mental breakdown and wanted to do something different so they scrapped their script at the last minute and went with the completely fucktarded time skip.

Feels bad man, the greatest anime franchise in history deserves better than this garbage.

>>153936470

I actually agree with him on Mari's symbolism and her relationship with Asuka, apart from the whole -nami conspiracy shit / Mari literally being a part of Soryu's soul or some shit

>>153943398
or toonami's grand program to rape your sex slave to while munching on shrooms and listening to their shitty rock genre

>>153937908
No shit. Depth used that liberally eradicates the meaning behind it

>>153943449
If it died with End of Eva it truly might have been one of the best in history. But Gainax is in a situation where it's all they can do now

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>>153943449
Except Japanese fans are eating it up and the franchise is still making loads of money.
3.0 merch sells like hotcakes.

Eva is normalfag-tier in Japan and will be praised no matter what it does. The movie even got an award in 2013.

>>153937820

>mostly be Shinji Asuka and Rei traipsing through the desert

According to traditional Japanese play structure (where Jo/Ha/Kyu come from) ...wait a second...may be on to something here lads...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-ky%C5%AB

>He described the first act as "Love"; the play opens auspiciously, using gentle themes and pleasant music to draw in the attention of the audience.
>The second act is described as "Warriors and Battles" (shura). Though it need not contain actual battle, it is generally typified by heightened tempo and intensity of plot.
>The third act, the climax of the entire play, is typified by pathos and tragedy. The plot achieves its dramatic climax.

And the important stuff:
>Takemoto describes the fourth act as a michiyuki (journey),
>JOURNEY through the desert
>The fifth act, then, is a rapid conclusion. All loose ends are tied up, and the play returns to an auspicious setting

>>153927432

FIVE MOVIES CONFIRMED???

>>153943503

>might have been one of the best

Fuck off, Rebuild takes away nothing from NGE/EoE

>>153943746
I think 3.0+1.0 is going to be what happened during the 14 year timeskip

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>>153943746
Ah, the structure, yes.
I remember analyzing original's structure when I was younger, this is different, however. Could it be that the Master actually does something decent?

>>153943823
You know Anno might go full hack and pull some Rebuild was a sequel all along shit and try to drag down the original series with it. Hell, all the merc these days are going to be Rebuild shit cause it's new. That's just how media works

I already try to pretend it doesn't exist. But it does

>>153944156

That'd be awesome. I still need to have my "Gendo and Fuyutsuki with parkas and llamas" fantasy resolved.

>>153944251

I think it's apparent to the directors that the Rebuilds can't be salvaged (or even decently concluded) in one film with a 3hr limit. And with the title change to "3.0+1.0" instead of the original 4.0, along with the Jo/Ha/Kyu naming conventions alluding to a 5-part story...

We can only hope.

>>153944316
I thought it was already confirmed to be a sequel?

>tfw the End of Evangelion Blu Ray will never be released in the west

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>>153926705
>>153935706

But Shinji doesn't seem to be interested in Asuka in this universe

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>>153944895
It's as usual, he's so beta he won't show any interest regardless of circumstances, except when you behave as autistic as him and he feels that you're "safe" to play with. Or, you know, when you're a homo boy who happens to be his ideal self.

>>153945110
I'm pretty sure Rei/Q will win this time tho

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>>153945163
>Rei
>ever winning
what
furthermore
>Evangelion
>anybody ever winning
what

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>>153945110
>That moment when you finally get enough self awareness to realize Shinji is literally you
>Liked a girl in school never made a move because I was too afraid of rejection
>Being afraid of getting rejected entire story of my life
Fuck man. It hurts. I used to think Shinji was a caricature but I just didn't like the fact I saw my own reflection in him.

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>>153945237
I see Evangelion in human interactions literally everyday, it's almost comical. When somebody's complaining about their shitty relationship I remember Eva, when somebody's complaining about their friends' behavior I remember Eva. What's funny, if I give advice based on what I learned from Eva (and from some books later on), it usually helps a bit. Which means that Eva is the ultimate lesson on relationships with others and yourself.

>>153945163
Rei can not win, she's better off away from this Rebuild mess altogether. Q's fate is of no consequence.

Having said that, everyone's role has been shuffled. Gendo is neoSeele. Misato is NeoGendo, Asuka is NeoMisato so it wouldn't surprise if Q became Neo Asuka and 4.44 turned out something like:

Grieving Shinji tries to get comfort from an unresponsive Q, ends up doing something messed up to her (this time probably something violent rather than sexual) Crisis errupts because of Gendo, so Asuka has to dragged him around, SS kiss then dies. Misato heads to eva because of some plan, Q learns Rei was always watching, dies in blaze of glory. Tumbling. Homosexuality. Q goes kimochi warui. It's shit. Everyone's mad. Surpasses Keit Ai.

>>153945367
that would be the ultimate hack plot
but I wouldn't be surprised if something like this happens
whatever, Khara is just a bunch of idiots anyway

>>153945163
Why would you think that. Q took a big steaming shit on her.

>>153937820
I'd watch Ikari: Queen of the Desert.

>>153945421
Just to be clear:
I'm fully aware that's the ultimate hack plot. That's the point I'm making, I'm in no way saying that what I described would be good, that I'm hoping for it or even that there's any way for 4.44 to be good. But merely saying that I can see this as a likely possibility.
Statement over.

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>>153945495
what was the point of explaining what I already understood and didn't even try to imply otherwise anyway?

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>>153926366
>shitty shallow fapbait character whose significance to the story people assumed would be explained in the upcoming Rebuilds gets no screentime in the upcoming Rebuilds

>>153945546
Sorry anon. it's just that Rebuild fags are dumb and some might go thinking that was an honest attempt at coming up with a good idea for 4.44 and might see it a 'pottery'.

>Jo Ha Q

is this some kind of play with words, or something like that?

>>153945766
it is

>>153945835
Thought so.

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AHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHA

HAHHAHAHHA

Get fucked

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On a scale of 1 to 10, how mad would you guys be if this was the final scene?

>3.0 ruined everything
The Rebuilds were always shit you fucking secondaries. 1.0 was a mediocre, rushed rehash and 2.0 was a watered-down reimagining and a steaming pile of shit.

>>153946170
The Ramiel fight was the only good thing from Rebuild

>>153936786
>dumb enough to defend Rebuild after Q
>implying Rebuild was defensible before Q

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>>153946166
Pretty mad since it will start a shitload of AU fiction or some shit
The series needs closure, both for Shinji's sake and for us.

>>153926366
If anything this just tells that Anno really had no idea what the fuck he was doing with 3.0.

>>153946166
Not mad at all? Literally who gives a shit?

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>>153926366
As a Marifriend, this does not surprise me at all and the "damage" in the otaku hivemind is already done, I knew something like this was going to happen knowing what memeva is and what stands for and the kind of problems a contrarian like Anno would have.

I didn't like NGE before the rebuilds, not even now, so I just don't care, the happy faps will continue though.

>>153946310
1.11 was a watered down rehash with odd edits, and 2.22 was flawed and disjointed but they weren't outright awful movies. you could still give them the benefit of the doubt. since you still had most of the story left to go and the changes they were making seemed to be heading somewhere. But then Q revealed it's hand and you realize the whole thing was just retarded.

>>153946526
>As a Marifriend,

You honestly need to kill yourself

>>153946526
>Marifriend
For when you want to fit in but can't push yourself to say fag. Why not just go back to wherever you came from.

>>153926366
The End of Evangelion is the one, true ending and we don't need anything else.

RoE is pointless fanservice.

There is no great answer, no greater story to be told about Evangelion than what we already have.

Mari is just fap material.

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>>153946590
Anon, I love Mari, she is the most beautiful, cute, strong willed, funny and softpink with best taste, anime girl in the Evangelion franchise, in other words, 2purrrfect4u. She is my one and only waifu.

>>153946668
As a marifag, I pity you.

>>153946999
This can't be real, no man can possibly have such a shit taste, even ironically. You're baiting.

>>153946999
Can't argue with those digits

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>>153946526
>I didn't like NGE before the rebuilds, not even now
>likes Mari

>>153946999
Mari is useless

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>pointless fapbait character turns out to be pointless

What a shocking twist

>>153938033
each character is a mockery of traditional character cliches, and she is just fap material because anno realized that he had no pure fap bait. Her adding was the ultimate sign of contempt to fans

>>153945110
>where is my walkman
kek

>>153948359
>you had to create carefully, right?
Oh you sweet innocent fool.

>>153926366
fucking good
i have absolutely no idea why anno felt the need to introduce her in the first place, then do about jack shit with her character

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>>153942947
I'm still mad about it. Ramiel was awesome. The falling angel was phenomenal. And then, WUNDER LOLOL 3.0 Eva with 4 hands (geddit? it's like piano!) Nerv has no ressources but still manages to build an evangelion. SURE
MAD

I feel more betrayed by how I defended Anno for years between 2.0 and 3.0 saying "Surely he must have a plan for her"

>>153936176
i have no idea what anyone sees in him. maybe anno is just a genius, he obviously made kaworu fujo bait, and his introduction to the story feels like the most fujo bait shit i've ever watched, so i would say he's a god of pandering, but then he fucks over everyone with the rebuilds. what's his endgame here?

>>153949199
At least you can admit that, that's big of you considering where we are.

Can I finally admit 3.0 actually really sucked now?

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>3.0+1.0
>nonsensical title
>Kaworu calling Gendo "father"
>Shinji and Kaworu riding Unit 13 together
>Gay piano
>Stolen Anima designs
>"I will make you happy this time"
He's going to pull that Anima nonsense with Shinji and Kaworu being the same person out of his ass, isn't he? He's also going to tie it with original completely obliterating the remaining faithful fandom, isn't he? He really hates people, doesn't he? What a time to be alive, lads.

>>153949555
>Can I finally admit 3.0 actually really sucked now?
should have done that a long time ago anon. Literally years ago.

>>153949555
Rebuild sucked in general anon
Look at your trips of truth or at my dubs for confirmation
shit

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This was the only good thing about the Rebuilds, I wish Anno was done with them already and could shoot some chill live-action stuff instead.

>>153949857
Rebuild of Shiki Jitsu is next.

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>>153949897
No complaints

>>153949673
Anno always said Shinji and Kaworu were the same person, but this time he's going to make it literal instead of metaphorical.

>>153926366
Just make her a villain.

>>153948895
>muh masterful plan
See >>153948895. It wasn't Anno's idea and there's literally nothing to her "character" except the merch money.

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>>153949980
NGE was made great by Tsurumaki and not Anno

>>153950057
You mean Satsukawa.
Tsurumaki is to blame for a lot of the retarded shit in Rebuild too.

>>153950036
Fuck, wrong post. It's supposed to be >>153948359.

If only we got the movie promised in that teaser

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>>153949980
Could it be more retarded? It's literally "lol you know guys if you're a shitty person the only way to fix it is to obliterate yourself and become some mix of two personalities instead of accepting yourself as you are hehehe" Would be such a plagiarism and an asspull
>>153950057
NGE was made great by Anno who self-inserted into every character and gave them soul, while dialogues and interactions were made great by him and Satsukawa together, since Anno is too much of an autist to pull a dialogue together.

>>153926366
>Jo, Ha and Q
What
Why do they call it that?

Mari is worst girl. All of time is the Age of Asuka

>>153949673
>nonsensical title
He wanted to spite baneposters

>>153953793
Traditional Japanese story format

>>153926705
Disgusting.

>>153953917
So what is the fourth one going to be? Does it loop?

>>153954260
3.0+1.0.
There are some pics about it being written with the sheet music symbol for "repeat". Make of that what you will.

>>153926366
Marifags don't exist though

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I have high hopes for FINAL. Rei's return is going to be glorious.

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>>153926705
Man seeing Shinji confident and happy is some uncanny valley shit

>>153926705
SOFT PINK IS LOVE AND LIFE

>>153945163
Until you come to me show us than Rei Q is gonna die, not until she become closer to Shinji of course.

>>153928553
>A 20 minute long piano scene
The only good part of 3.0

>>153929544
>Shinji being depressed
The initial state of every Eva ever

I think Maria having little screen time is going to be the least of the problems the next Eva movie will have.

The only good thing about Rebuild is a fistful of tracks, even if they are cheesy and early Zimmer as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_HxvojfiUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTST11Ybwg4

And well, Ramiel not using a spiked pink dildo as a drill.

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>>153926366
I've seen this, and I've been saying this all along. 3.0+.1.0 will only force the last, delusional remnants to accept that 3.33 was absolute, irredeemable cancer.

With 3.33 being what it was, it inevitably killed all possibilities for well-developed characters. It only pandered hard to Kaworufags and Asukafags.

>>153949555
>Can I finally admit 3.0 actually really sucked now?

You should have joined in with the rest of us when it came out. The next stage of acceptance is to understand and take into yourself that the reason 3.33 sucked is because Anno along with yes-men like Tsurumaki rewrote the entire EVA-canon in order to pander to Asukafags and Kaworufags.

>>153956238
This, as a /mu/fag the Kaworu scenes were pretty great

>>153957142
You mean /lgbt/-fag, because anything and everything Kaworu is objectively shit.

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>>153957005
>>153957129
Nothing wrong with Rei Q

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>>153957241
Everything wrong with you.

>>153957005
I will SO enjoy wringing every, single bit of frustration out of the retards who said we had to wait for the fourth movie. Can't wait to shit on them and laugh at how bad 3.0+1.0 will be.

>>153957277
You just posted a picture of more crazy Reifags

>Yamaga: Yeah, particularly on Evangelion. They think every little detail has a meaning. (laugh)
>(laugh)

oh wow.

>>153957386
Those are Asukafags.

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>>153956942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG-dYzXTm_I
This one is good as an alarm clock too.

>>153957277
I remember how mad Evageeks was about the manga before it ended. They kept shitting on Sadamoto constantly, and then that shit leaked into /a/ too. Then they did an 180 when they got the ending.

Asukafags are the eternal cancer of Evangelion.

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>crazy Reifags samefagging again
Oh boy.

>>153957241
So I always wondered, are you an Asukafag or a Kaworufag? Fan of both, maybe? How does it feel to be the cancer ruining Evangelion?

>>153946526
>>153946999
Wow, that's cancerous. You're at least better than genuine evangelion fans like our team red though.

>>153957435
Why would you put such a scary song as your alarm?

>>153957536
>>153957241
>>153957386
>crazy Asukafag sperging again

Hilarious, every time!

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>>153957570
>thinking Marifags are better than anyone
You're insane, dude.

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Purest Rebuild canon.

>>153944461
>I think it's apparent to the directors that the Rebuilds can't be salvaged (or even decently concluded) in one film with a 3hr limit. And with the title change to "3.0+1.0" instead of the original 4.0, along with the Jo/Ha/Kyu naming conventions alluding to a 5-part story...

It's obvious that at least from 3.33 on, they were never intended to be "salvageable" or even good. Evangelion fans have a tendency to fanwank far more into the story than there is, so Anno has long since realized that there is much more value in implying there's a story than actually writing one. So abusing this bit of knowledge, he set out to make something that just pleased himself, which turned out to be 3.33. It explains why it treats his favorite characters so well, and really does a number on character he doesn't.

3.33 was always shallow nonsense, and people who bought into it are either stupid or delusional otaku who simply do not care.

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>>153957653
They're better than Marifags because they're more honest.

>>153957589
Because what happens when the song plays during the movie is, like a lot of things in Rebuild 1 and 2, a love letter to engineering, mechas, buildings, and mankind's will to live. And I love when characters through their actions, or shows through their themes, are exalting Mankind, Science or its achievements.
It's not scary, it's intense, and it's my favorite along with Victory from Q.
Sadly, Q is shit.

>>153957536
That is what happened in EoE though. I don't see what's supposed to be funny?

>>153957822
Q was Sagisu's best work, not gonna lie.

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>>153957783
Yes, Asukafags are better than Marifags. By a long shot.
Reifags? Not so much.

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>>153927147
Not even that works. 3.0 is designed to make ota characters like Kaworu and Asuka super-popular, which has worked very well for Khara. They sell tons of figures and merchandise and are the new "it"-characters, so there's no possible way Anno could have done it to make people go outside. The only thing outside Anno wants them to do, is go outside and visit the EVA-stores.

If Anno and Khara were just soulless greedy merchants, it wouldn't be so bad, but what's worse is they're greedy, soulless otaku merchants as well. I mean, you can't just provide the shipping-experience of a lifetime for Kaworu fans and couple it up with every vengeful and sadistic hate-fantasy Asuka fans have about Rei, and expect the otaku to NOT love it.

There should be a site where all Asuka and Kaworu fans should write an apology for being part of what ruined Evangelion.

>>153926705
This has to be the most OOC fanart I've ever seen

>>153958030
My God. You're back.

>>153957934
I didn't even know he did the music for Evangelion before someone pointed it out for me. He will forever be, in my head, "the Number One guy from Bleach".

>>153957985
Nice bullshit. But see this: >>153946526 ?

That's honesty. I'd buy that Marifag a beer, but I wouldn't piss on an Asukafag if they were on fire. You're just going to have to accept that you as an Asuka fan is part of a cancerous mass that is draining Evangelion and it's fanbase for everything good.

Just like you're going to have to accept that 3.0 was shit.

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>>153958122
I only know he's done Bleach, Eva, and Shingeki.
One of the very few actually talented composers in the modern Anime industry.

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It also says Sadamoto may not even be part of 3.0+1.0. I'm not even sure what he did on 3.0.

>>153958122
I'm amazed that people didn't know Sagisu did more than some Bleach music.

>>153958120
Shh, don't reply to it.

>>153958275
Easy: I don't check the composers for the music unless it's pointed out to me.

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>>153950113
>>153950057
NGE was made great by everyone who worked on it. It's a joint effort, and Anno deserves much of the credit as it is his brainchild.

>>153958275
Sadamoto only did the posters and some animation like the picture of baby Shinji with Yui in 3.0, he doesn't have any creative input in Rebuild otherwise.

>>153958120
>>153958343
One day you're going to have to face the truth.

>>153958360
>instrumentality of the links
Every time Rei opens her mouth I cringe

>>153958030
So when do we lynch all the Asuka fans? They should be hanged for their crimes against all lilinkind.

Mods, ban this guy for off-topic meta please.

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>rebuild was doomed to be garbage because some grown bearded manchild couldn't get over that Rei was more popular than his favorite characters

Even Mari could have been good.

>>153958641
Where did you even get this assumption?
May I remind you Rei III also appeared brain dead in the anime?

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>>153946528
I sincerely think the Rebuild series could have been great though. 1.11 is close enough to establish that the main characters are "the same", while 2.22 is different enough yet still close enough to diverge realistically in 3.33 and 4.44. Two movies is a LOT of time, and we could have had a lot of great characters and stories come out of it. Some message or point that resonated with people rather than make them disgusted at the author's incompetence.

>>153958811
>he doesn't know about Anno's burning hatred for Rei

>>153957005
>pandered hard to Kaworufags
It didn't. According to the general agreement in /cm/, even 24th episode in NGE delivered more high quality gay than 3.0

Pretty much no one liked it and no one expects anything special or decent from 4.0

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>>153958811
It's not an assumption, it's a fact. Check up on Anno's interviews some time, 100% Rei Negative, 100% Asuka or Kaworu positive.

>May I remind you Rei III also appeared brain dead in the anime?
No, because that never happened. Asuka was the one who was braindead in the original, nice try secondary.

>>153957985
>posting a vk popularity pool
C'mon, you gotta put more effort into this.

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>>153958990
>It didn't. According to the general agreement in /cm/, even 24th episode in NGE delivered more high quality gay than 3.0

It did. The general agreement in /cm/ is bitterness after not having received more pandering, and because we've finally beat it into your head that 3.33 was utter garbage. When 3.33 came out, and the years after, you were happy as fuck. Don't deny it, we have archived proof of how you spam-voted Rebuild 3.33 with 10/10 in polls, and even sabotaged the official EVASTORE poll.

This:
>Pretty much no one liked it and no one expects anything special or decent from 4.0

is just your pathetic attempt to avoid responsibility. Because when 3.0+1.0 comes, and it's the exact garbage we all know it will be, you don't want be disappointed.

In your /cm/ thread and every other kaworufan hive, you're anticipating it and actively looking for translations, news and more. Look at the rest, who don't care. That's what not "not liking 3.33" looks like.

>>153958990
This guy is dead set on hating everyone but himself, don't bother reasoning with him. Let him believe what he wants.

>>153926705
Everything about this fanart is wrong and OOC
In fact, it's so bad that it might as well be a crossover with snk or something.

>>153959181
At least you admit to stalking us now

I just realised than kaworu destroy the core than was the body of Rei in rebuild 2.22.
The son of the bitch never tell that to shinji because he know than that is gonna make shinji hate him. Holy shit they really ruined kaworu too.

>>153959303
I thought Rei's soul is in the unit? Fuyutsuki said so.

>>153959303
They can't ruin a character that was never good in the first place.

>>153959181
>you're anticipating it and actively looking for translations, news and more. Look at the rest, who don't care.
So this thread with ~250 posts is a fine example as no one cares?

I understand that having Rei Q must be painful but you're not the only one allowed to dislike 3.0

>>153959347
I didn't think there was anything wrong with him in the original

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>>153959182
>>153959261
No, you're set on being selfish, retarded idiots who soak up pandering and then deny responsibility as the franchise quality falls to rock bottom. You lie about everything you do, think or want simply to make yourself look better. This is why even Marifags are better than you.

>>153958902
It's just obvious, Anno dislikes Rei because she is "the deepest part of himself". Also why he dislikes Shinji and makes him suffer through the worst situations.

>>153959411
At least you amit to stalking our /cm/ threads.

>>153959398
He was a good character and plot device for a single episode. But a good character? No.

Thing is, they can't ruin Kaworu because he was never a full character to begin with. He was always this garbage homo fantasy character, and by going full-on pandering in 3.33, they ruined the entire story.

>>153959344
Kaworu destroy the body of Rei not her soul. That is the reason of why wille can't extract Rei from the Eva 01.

>>153954811
Yeah I'm expecting the current Rei to end up in Unit-01 and absorb old Rei's soul or something.

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>>153959458
>He was a good character
>But a good character? No.
What did he mean by this?

>>153959388
>So this thread with ~250 posts is a fine example as no one cares?
Everyone seems to hate it. Which was the state many years ago, with the sole exception of Kaworu fans and Asuka fans. Have you not thought that you wouldn't even be here if not for Q?

>>153958902
Just because she's not his favorite doesn't automatically means he hates her.

>>153959411
>deny responsibility
Huh? Do you even understand what you say?
What responsibility if we as everyone else just want high quality content.
It might have 5 min of Kaworu screen time for all I care if it's the same quality as 24 was.

>>153959481
Was her body not destroyed when she got eaten by the angel?

>>153959411
I remember when you falseflagged as a Kaworufag. You really are the lowest of the low.

>>153959455
No more than you're stalking this thread.

>>153959527
>What responsibility if we as everyone else just want high quality content.
No, you don't. Precisely because you lie about this, is why the Marifag is better than you all. You want content that is equivalent to pandering. This is what you got with 3.33. Which is why you didn't hate it when it came out, but loved it.

Don't even try to say otherwise.

>>153959516
You're giving yourself too much credit, while pretending to not understand written text.

>>153959579
I'm not the one stalking the threads of people I supposedly hate.

Really says a lot about you.

>>153959525
>>153959441
Anno hates Rei because he's more popular than the other characters. Deal with it.

>>153959615
AND HE WAS PRETENDING NOT TO BE A REIFAG TOO

>>153959458
Buzzwords are not an argument.
Kaworu was just fine in the original, it's not his fault you're blinded by a tiny bit of homo which wasn't even coming from him.

>>153959620
No, he hates Rei because he wanted her to be creepy but she still managed to have a cult following and launch a thousand clones.

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>>153959615
>>153959549
>>153959455
>>153959261
Is this pathetic parroting the only response you have, Kaworufag? Admit you're guilty as sin.

Or are you seriously going to be angry that you got caught red handed? Guess what, your posts on /a/, tumblr or anywhere else, even /cm/, is public. Blame yourself for being such a disgusting person.

>>153959579
I see this anon >>153959182
was right, you're just braindead.

There is no point in continuing:
>we don't like it, it's bad
>no you do, you love it, don't lie

>>153959620
I don't think he cares bro

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>>153959676
I'm just amused that a Reifag has nothing better to do than stalk Kaworufags on tumblr and /cm/

>>153959674
>No, he hates Rei because he wanted her to be creepy but she still managed to have a cult following and launch a thousand clones.

This is bullshit that has never beeen sourced or confirmed anywhere. Anno hates Rei because he's more popular than his favorite character. That's the factual truth.

>>153959615
>>153959670
>>153959715
I'm concerned that Kaworufags are even worse than what I say they are, that even when they're caught red handed being shitheads, they deny it.

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>>153959715
He does the same thing to Asukafags. Serious emotional problems.

>>153959487
She die later saving Shinji.
Rei can not be happyor alive.

>>153927432
The only argument people have against 3.0 is that the characters treated shinji in an annoying and nonsensical way.

Because 95% of people who watch NGE project themselves into the character that is Shinji, after Shinji was thrust into a situation where people were treating him poorly, unfairly and nonsensically, they were personally hurt and confused. They felt betrayed by all of their favorite characters, and were confused why they would treat him in such a way.

This is how 3.0 is an absolute masterpiece. Just as 2.0 successfully pulled you through a comfy world of girls and overcoming obstacles and made you happy and comfortable, 3.0 just as successfully pulled you into a world of pain and confusion, precisely what Shinji was feeling during 3.0. It is a magnificent achievement in art that people feel exactly what the main character is feeling while the main character is feeling it, the sense of confusion and pain that Shinji is feeling is 100% projected onto the viewer.

Plebians are unable to separate themselves from the perspective of Shinji and look at Hideaki's artwork from the outside, so they turn their pain and confusion into dislike, aka cognitive dissonance(what christians feel when they see literature on natural selection).

This is why a true patrician understands the magnificent piece of art that 3.0 is, and the difficult task that it has achieved of pulling you directly into the feelings of the MC.

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>>153959709

>>153959676
Huh? What do you mean? Your posts are going to be archived forever on fireden, and with your way of talking anyone could know it was you. You're not even smart enough to disguise yourself. You're not talking to just one person btw

>>153959759
Getting caught redhanded on what?
Yeah, some people hate Q, some people love Q. People are entitled to their own opinions, I don't generalize.

>>153959690
Don't try to save face. It's this simple:

You're telling me one thing.
Your actions is telling me something else.

What do I trust? What should anyone trust? Your actions of course. Claim to hate it as much as you will, but it remains an iron-clad and undeniable fact that Kaworu fans world over loved 3.33 as they watched it. Anyone who didn't is the exception, not the rule. If you hate it today, it's because after years of reminding of it's flaws, it's finally begun to sink in.

Just like it will begin to sink in for Mari fans or other fans that 3.33 killed any chance of working with Mari's character, it will sink in for you too eventually.

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>>153959795
EvaGeeks pls go.

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>>153926366
It is fine, the butthurt to she being in the manga was enough for me.

>>153959826
>>153959828
Getting caught red-handed in being fans of 3.33, and having a loving fandom interest in it, speaking well of fanart, doujins and more of Q. You are here after all, anticipating the next film whilst hoping it will pander to you more.

You tried to lie by saying that Kaworu fans (you generalized here, by the way) didn't like Q. When in fact, they are it's biggest fanbase within Evangelion.

>>153959795
0/10 didn't even read. Can smell bullshit.

>>153959843
Can you point out where in this thread people denied that there are Kaworu fans who loved 3.0?

All they said is that even Kaworu fans nowadays don't like it. After the hype settled down and people took the time to discuss it with others nearly everyone realized it was shit.
Using the general consensus on /cm/ as evidence, you should know since you visit there so frequently.

>>153959804
Anno was a mistake.

>>153932168
LCL smells like Yui.

>>153959544
I don't know, in that scene looks like shinji have a physical body when he took rei from zeruel.

>>153959936
Eva was a mistake.

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>>153959672
>>153959498
That's what's being said. Kaworu was fine as long as he was kept to a minimum. This meant that he was never a good character, he was only a good character if we consider him as a plot device and little else.

Kaworu is a poor character whom fans only like for it's yaoi qualilties. This is why even making a full feature of Kaworu while including him in all four movies will only contain one thing: more yaoi pandering.

>>153959991
Anime was a mistake.

>>153959971
I took it as metaphorical, because it would make no sense for Shinji to get through the entry plug out of his Eva to reach into her

We see a giant blood shaped Rei outside of the unit merging with it, so I assume that is the real Rei body and the soul was metaphorically with Shinji.

>>153960019
Japan was a mistake.

>>153959928
see >>153958990

which generealizes all Kaworufags into people who hated 3.33, not bothering to mention that they all loved it when it came out. It took more than four goddamned years to have Kaworufags go on the defensive and stutter "I-i n-never realy l-liked it".

Yeah fucking right. No one is going to buy that.

>>153959998
I actually wanted Kaworu to interact with people that weren't Shinji, they made him obsessed with him and I didn't like that.

>>153960047
Landmasses were a mistake.

>>153959928
Here's what happened:

Q comes out
Kaworufags love it
Asukafags love it
Reifags hate it
the rest are split about it

This is the real world canon.

>Shit-tier
Liking Mari because boobs
>Acceptable
Liking Mari because megane
>Good
Disliking Mari
>Godtier
Liking Mari because onee-san

>>153960137
Rei fans were happy about 2.0 though

>>153960092
>I actually wanted Kaworu to interact with people that weren't Shinji, they made him obsessed with him and I didn't like that.
In other words, you wanted more Kaworu. You wanted his role expanded, for him to not be shallow any more so people couldn't bother you about it. You wanted genuine Kawoshin to show Evageeks wrong.

Q was what you got, and it fulfills almost everything you want here, to a fault. As you can see, this is more or less just about what YOU want, something you feel you can do precisely because you know you're getting pandered to.

>>153959998
Minor characters can be good characters.

And you've yet to explain why you think Kaworu is so poor. We learn more about him than we do from some other minor characters in the series in just 10 minutes.

He contributes to the plot, to the lore, and to Shinji's character. Even Rei's if you want to be honest. And he does it just fine.
Just because he's not as the main characters' level doesn't mean he's bad in himself.

And what exactly are these "yaoi qualities"? His episode was one of the highest rated in the show and he became somewhat iconic in himself. He's liked for much more.

What the fuck was even the point of 3.0.

>>153960188
2.0 comes out
Kaworufags love it
Reifags love it
Asukafags are split, some hate it because little shipping, others love it because new nice Asuka
the rest love it, save for a handful of purists who didn't like 1.11 either

This is the real world canon.

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>>153957670
IT IS KNOWN!

>>153960052
Well I'm not that anon, but not just in /cm/, many Kaworu fans admit 3.0 was a flawed movie.

Maybe they didn't think so at first because they were blinded by the pandering, but they are quick to point out the bad parts of it now.

>>153960224
The point of 3.33 was to shit on Rei Ayanami and make Asuka and Kaworu more popular. That was the point of 3.0.

No matter what any butthurt Asukafag or Kaworufag will tell you, this is the only concrete goal 3.0 seems to have had, and actually achieved. Virtually any scene in the movie, when understood in the light of popularizing anime characters, can be explained.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that Asuka fans and Kaworu fans will fight this truth coming out hard, because it implicates them as a guilty party. 3.33 is precisely what they wanted.

My God, Rebuild is crap
Eva geeks and their "le genius anno" meme must be purged

>>153960215
Eh? How did Q fullfill what I wanted? He only interacted with Shinji. I wanted Kaworu to have more screentime, I admit, but not that way. We already had a long argument about him being shallow so I won't get into that. (I just watched actually, not participated)

>>153960342
But I'm what quallifies as an Asukafag and I found 3.33 to be pretty fucking boring. Literally nothing is accomplished in the movie.

>>153960215
If they are going to expand his screentime, then his role should be expanded so he isn't shallow.
That's what made him bad in Q, but made him good in NGE.

>>153960270
1.0?

>>153960218
So does Toji or Kensuke. None of them are good characters. They are auxiliary characters.

For the records, Kaworu's character is poorly written and has several holes in them. No, filling it in with fanwank does not help. There is e.g no explanation for why Kaworu is surprised about Lilith being in the basement, when he is explicitly told that Gendo has Adam in his body.
It is not explained for why Kaworu doesn't simply walk the other way.

>And what exactly are these "yaoi qualities"?
Don't play coy.

Kaworu is a poor character who only functions well as a plot device. It is intended to be a BL/Yaoi insert, and when increasing that into full movie length, you get Q and ruin the entire movie.

>>153960270
So Rebuild can't be Asuka pandering if it split her fanbase

>>153960340
>Well I'm not that anon, but not just in /cm/, many Kaworu fans admit 3.0 was a flawed movie.
Now after 4 years. Too little too late. 3.0 isn't just a flawed movie, it's an abomination that never should have been made.

They can only point out the flaws of the movie they've been shown, and they only care about the ones that affect them, e.g "Kaworu sucks". They're unable to admit that the movie deliberately screws over other characters and setting themes in order to favor them.

Show me one that does that.

>>153959579
>No more than you're stalking this thread.
Ayy I'm in the thread of the series I like (or used to at least) but what were you doing in our homothread?

>>153960454
Yeah that was just a plothole added by the Director's Cut.
Buuut the yaoi part is wrong, Gainax didn't want it, they thought it would lose viewers. They heavily cut his screentime and the drafts because of the explicitness. Actually Toji/Shinji was pretty popular, Anno should have milked that.

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>>153960429
Ramielfags love it

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>>153960376
>Eh? How did Q fullfill what I wanted?
How does it not? Like you say, you get what you wanted. I also claim it's in the exact way you wanted. Let me put it this way:

You are Shinji. You actually did destroy the world with what you wanted. 3.33 is what you wanted, a ruined Evangelion. Now you claim it's not what you wanted.

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>>153960523
Maybe he secretly like Kawoshin

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>>153960551
This guy knows his shit.

>>153960270
1.0 comes out
almost everyone is sort of "ok, Ramiel is awesome, this is Evangelion"
the purists rage about shuffled scenes and huge revelations that come too soon

This is the real world canon.

>>153960464
It definitely can. Because they all could dig it, but they complained about lack of shipping. This is because they are spoiled, they wanted even more than the pandering they got.

They are spoiled brats that are hard to satifsy.

>>153927432
I actually hope this is the case

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>>153960560
So another closet case. How sad.

>>153960454
Okay, if you don't think Toji is a good character then I have to end this discussion right here.

What you considered good and bad is so arbitrary and subjective we'll get nowhere like this.

>no explanation for why Kaworu is surprised
We've had this argument already.
How is Kaworu supposed to know where Gendo is? He's going to go to the presence he senses, as far as he knows Lilith is long gone.

>why Kaworu doesn't simply walk the other way
No one is going to let him walk away and you know it. Better to be killed right then and there.

>Don't play coy.
No, tell me straight up what yaoi qualities Kaworu has. Because you and I both know anything "yaoi" about that episode came from Shinji's reactions.
We have no reason to believe Kaworu meant anything more than just being friends with Shinji.
But you make no complaints about the other's blushing.

>>153960413
>But I'm what quallifies as an Asukafag and I found 3.33 to be pretty fucking boring. Literally nothing is accomplished in the movie.

Yeah, because it's a shit film. It's shit because it's made for people like you, an Asukafag otaku. This boring, vengeful crusade is precisely what you've wanted. Have a gander at evageeks, pick out a thread from before 3.0, and watch what they should think happen in 3.0:

>Shinji should be punished
>Rei should die
>Asuka should come back and be awesome

Asukafags and otaku think in such simple terms. These are the main goals that 3.33 achieves. Even Tsurumaki, a writer of the movies, was angry because Rei didn't die in 2.0. He is an Asukafan, and guess what? He was ecstatic about Q.

This IS you, whether you like it or not. If you're one of the few exceptions, you should decry the rest of the Asukfags, the fuckups who are like this. But of course not, you won't. You'll get a Shikinami figure.

>>153960552
I only became a fan after all the rebuilds came out though

>>153960218
>Kaworu is deep
>he's liked for much more
No, he's not, stop deluding yourself. Kaworu is a shitty Genji rip-off, we learn nothing about him, he doesn't make any sensible contribute to the show, he's immediately forgotten and isn't even in 25-things he does:
>come in, be faggy
>spout memes about le "lilin culture"
>say he doesn't understand the lilin so they must live why not
>spout edgy memes about angels being immortal
>give advice to Shinji to which he doesn't listen anyway
>betray him (as Shinji perceived it)
>die
Wow, what a contribution. He's a pointless yaoi fapbait, his main feature is his sex appeal, le cool edgy look and behavior, idiotic smile etc. typical bishonen shit character

>>153960729
It's no use arguing with the buttmad Reifag

>>153960501
Nothing was stopping Anno from doing something new with the characters.

Hell, the reason the preview was so hyped is because that's what it looked like.
Rei and Shinji still stuck in the Eva, Gendo donkey adventures, Kaworu meeting up with people in Dogma (Communicating with people that AREN'T seele or Shinji). Everyone was stoked.

There was nothing stopping them from doing this, the point is Anno didn't want to. He didn't want to give the characters new roles, and that's why 3.0 tries to follow in the same format as NGE:
Shinji is abandoned by everyone
Meets Kaworu
Finds hope
Kaworu dies

Little did Anno know that formula doesn't work so well with a movie when he's not planning on doing anything new with these characters.

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>>153960168
>FAR-tier
Liking Mari because of her Zettai Kyofu Ryoiki

I can't believe they went with the worst twist for Mari (in the manga, which seems will be the most we will get from her)

What the fuck is this, flip flappers? I want muh mary sue sister you fucks.

>>153960756
He completely changed our perceptions about Angels in one episode. Also was the one who made Shinji reach out to others because relationships are worth it even if they cause you pain.

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>>153960729
It's not arbitrary. It's just called having standards. A good character is a full character, with motive, backstory and development, as well as a conclusion. Toji, like Kaworu, does not satsify this.

This doesn't speak about Toji's character, which I personally like. He's a good boy.

>We've had this argument already.

It's been had ever since 24 DC came out. You lost it then, and you'll lose it today.

>How is Kaworu supposed to know where Gendo is?
Not the question here, why is he not looking Gendo? He knows he's a man, and he was clearly not looking for him, as the "surprise" scene reveals.

>No one is going to let him walk away and you know it. Better to be killed right then and there.
Shinji would.

The problem is that you are extremely delusional, and the reason we argue is because you downright refuse to accept reality or be honest with yourself. The facts are right there, and you spend every second of your pathetic kaworufag existence trying to make yourself look better than the shallow wretch you are.

>>153960747
But you have no proof that every Asukafag thinks like this

>>153960883
Mari being a lesbian is great!

>Marifags on suicide watch
>implying Marifags care about character depth

>>153960552
Fuck off. If I wanted to destroy the world then I would've taken End of Evangelion instead of hack writing

>>153960851
No one except Kaworufags gave a shit about Kaworu communicating. Guess what, he's a pandered character and attracts an audience SOLELY because that. The Kaworu fans KNOW they will be pandered to by every Evangelion instance, and that's why you're here.

Please stop making up bullshit. I asked you to find a Kaworufag that will admit exactly what 3.33 did, that is plain to see for everyone else except the ones it pandered to. Because you'd have to admit how horrible people you are, and that you've spent four FUCKING YEARS denying it doesn't make it better.

So before 3.0+1.0 comes out, let's have Kaworufags (and Asukafags too) admit precisely what 3.33 did: deliberately ruin characters like Rei in order to make characters like Asuka and Kaworu look better.

>>153960029
So that prove than Kaworu destroyed Rei's body.
So maybe that is the reason of why she can't comeback

>>153960756
>a shitty Genji rip-off
The fuck are you talking about?

At least try to argue like you're over 18.

>>153960925
I've already told you that there are exceptions., and I don't need that, I only need proof that the core Asuka fanbase do, and that this is a common sentiment. I only need to prove that Rebuild and Khara has made Asuka more popular than before and relatively to other characters.

So again, if you're one of the few exceptions, you should be agreeing and decry these people.

>>153959795
I don't agree that 3.0 was a piece of art, but clearly /a/nons felt betrayed that the waifu fest that was 2.0 was over. They also love to blame Karl, who had even less screentime than he did in the anime.

>>153960747
>You'll get a Shikinami figure.
I don't buy figurines, never got the appeal of decorating one's house with anime toys.

I think the problem with 3.33 is less about Rei having zero character and being a hollow fucking shell of a person (although that's certainly a negative) but more that it has nothing to fucking do with the original NGE formula nor does it have any interesting things in it. The timeskip is fucking completely glossed over, aside from people shitting on Shinji all the time, they waste scenes on dumb fucking EVA flips that barely accomplish anything, Kaworu dies like a complete fucking tard for very little reason, Shinji reverts to his own self ignoring what happened during 2.22 completely, etc.

As an Asukafag I would've appreciated if they took her character somewhere, pulled the original NGE one out of the fridge (the theory that Rebuilds come after NGE) or matured her design, anything really. Meanwhile she's a carbon copy of what came before.

It's simply not fun to watch.

>>153960885
>our perception of the angels
We didn't give a fuck about the angels, they simply don't matter considering the true meaning of the series. Kaworu was an angel just because he needed to die, in early drafts he wasn't even one. He's inhumane and has no character whatsoever. Stop trying to make him look important
>he showed shinji lalala
No, Shinji didn't give a fuck about it, he was moved to accept himself by other things, Kaworu has nothing to do with it.

>>153961014
No, you wouldn't. Because it's not about destroying the world, it's about destroying the enjoyment of others. That's what you wanted, and that's what you got with 3.33.

>>153959907
You're hot

>>153959795

The only argument is that it's total shit, so different in tone and execution that it can barely be called Evangelion. It was a terrible movie. The plot was nonsensical, the characters acted like retards, zero development. The timeskip was literally an on-screen admission that they had no fucking clue what they were doing, And if you had any doubts before, then you as fuck know for sure.

>>153961025
>he doesn't even know about Kaworu's name origin and Anno's source of inspiration
You make Kaworufags look extremely bad, faggot, go fuck yourself

>>153961090
So that's how someone "rational" would look upon it. Then how do we explain the fact that thousands, if not millions like Q? How do we explain that people leap at Q Kaworu and Asuka merchandise?

How do we explain the enthusiasm of Kaworu and Asuka fans watching it as it came out?

Simple. These people wanted this:
>Shinji should be punished
>Rei should die
>Asuka should come back and be awesome
>Kaworu x Shinji = OTP

and they got it. Q is a disaster of a movie precisely because this is what fans wanted, and nothing more. These are the only people who Q is fun to watch for, and even if they disgust themselves now 4 years later, they still haven't changed.

Ignore the reifag, for Anno's sake.

>>153960913
>motive
Get to his body.

>backstory
During Second Impact, body reverted to embryo taken in by SEELE, Soul harvested into human body and taken in by SEELE.

>development
Comes to the decision humans deserve to live more than him, gives up his destiny to live forever.

>conclusion
Allows Shinji to kill him.

So by your "standards", he's a full and good character. Thanks for playing.
Toji meets the same standards by the way, he's a good and full character as well.

Rei didn't have a conclusion in NGE, would you consider her not to be a full character based on those standards?

>>153961024
No, it doesn't at all.

>>153960416
>If they are going to expand his screentime, then his role should be expanded so he isn't shallow.
I agree. But Kaworu fans dont' agree.

Let's say I, a Reifag, wrote a non-shallow Kaworu. It's a character with meaning and a story to tell. But it has no Kawoshin whatsoever. In fact, some girl gets the Shinji in this story.

This character, while good, would have no value to Kaworu fans. This is why increasing Kaworu's screentime, if you're going to pander to Kaworu fans, needs to be shallow. The original Kaworu was shallow, and if you make more of that Kaworu, you only get more shallow.

>>153961166
Are you talking about Kaworu from the Tale of Genji?
I'm the one who told you about that in the first place, retard. Kek.

By the way Satsukawa named Kaworu, not Anno.