Every JUMP series since 2010, with how long it ran.
2016 wasn't as bad as I thought. Look at 2014. That's a lot cancellations.
Could you color them differently?
(Also does the week count count skipped weeks or Hiatus time?)
Are there there many series from before 2010 that are still running?
]104,156] 2y+ (2 full years + a few weeks)
2016 has been indeed the second best year for Jump.
>2012: Best year (Assasination Classroom, Saiki, Haikyuu, Shokugeki)
>2013: World Trigger
>2014: Hero Academia and Hinomaru
>2015: third best year maybe: Black Clover, Sesuji, Samon-kun
>2016: Kimetsu no Yaiba, Yuuna-san, Promised Neverland
You kind of have to count them, since they are weeks the manga survived cancellation (except for mangas that are currently in Hiatus).
We'll talk when 2016 series have hit the 52 week mark.
Yuuna will probably manage. I don't care about the other two.
Man I really liked St&rs. There needs to be more fantasy space exploration with grounded realistic elements like that. elDIVE is sort of similar but is more typical battle shonen.
St&rs was fun and had a lot of mystery.
Jump currently feels like they are flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, do they really know how to quality control to bring on good new series consistently?
>Jump currently feels like they are flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks
They're just desperate, because with the end of Naruto and Bleach, only One Piece can keep them afloat.
They can keep on surviving with sales like Haikyuu's, WT's, Hero Academia's or Souma's, but they need urgent a new big brand to cover the gap that was left open.
But was Bleach even moving magazine sales anymore anyway? I don't know the numbers, but I remember it being medium to medium low in rankings pretty consistently in the past years.
They are definitely feeling the hurt after Naruto's ending, but instead of scrambling to find a replacement and failing repeatedly, there should be some sort of open guidance and quality guidelines set for newcomers that isn't so strict on outdated audience wants. I also personally think Jump should open its boundaries a little bit more in regards to what it allows in terms of stories and such as its become too sterile for authors to grow in their art or storytelling without having to hit very cliche and boring story elements.
I'm not suggesting that Jump become seinen or anything, but perhaps a bridge between shonen and seinen without stepping into that territory.
>even moving magazine sales anymore anyway
It wasn't, but that's not the point. Jump doesn't need "sales", they need "names".
Bleach as a brand, was (worldwide) way more famous and important than any other Jump's good sellings series.
How long do you think Neverland will survive?
I've got a feeling Kimetsu is more safe for some reason.
>Boku no Hero Academia came out 3 years ago.
I still feel like nothing has happened.
What the fuck.
I mean this sucks.
Everybody here liked his stuff and he thinks he's no good because he got canceled. I kind of want to tell him that is just Jump's stupid system that gets everyone canceled.
I split the first year in 1/4's.
Marked 1y+ series and longer ended runners separately.
Hiatus got dotted line.
I also categorized the 2016 series.
Yuna/yaiba has currently 51 chapters. Neverland has below 26. But they probably had skipped weeks too.
So yuna/yaiba are probably 1y+, and Neverland 1/2y but less than 3/4's.
Longer ongoing got violet.
What do you guys think about the kids reading this magazine, seeing these series come and go? They must be pretty jaded by now.
Do they really decide what to axe based on people sending that voting thing like they showed in Bakuman? How many votea do they even receive? I can't imagine more than like 500.
And they probably all come from autists who send it every week.
((Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari-kōen Mae Hashutsujo Osamu Akimoto 1976/#42 until 2016))
One Piece Eiichirō Oda 1997/#34
(Hunter × Hunter Yoshihiro Togashi 1998/#14; Hiatus)
Gintama Hideaki Sorachi 2004/#2
Votes, Editor's Opinions, Volume Sales(probably the biggest factor as it is Voting with Money instead of just sending in a postcard), Merchandise sales, Anime Potential.
At the end of the day, I think Volume Sales is the most important, but I think they should be prioritizing a GOOD STORY over marketability as marketability will come naturally if you have a good product.
You can see just how much they tried to force Toriko to become popular and how quickly they axed it when it slipped.
>mfw fucking SWOT got 20 chapters and Ole Golazo gets 13
SWOT is literally the worst manga I've EVER read and it got 7 more chapters to live. What the FUCK.
Yaiba probably has an anime in the planning stages judging by how much jump is promoting it. They need something aside from black clover to promote this year and it's been doing really well. Yuna looks like it's on the chopping block and zumo is heading toward a natural end unless there's an anime in the works that we don't know about. Neverland looks like jumps best shot at a naruto like success so you can bet at that one surviving for a long time unless something happens to make everyone hate it
>nothing has happened
Also, it only feels like Cross Manage got cancelled last year. Holy shit the years are starting to speed past me.
Also Akaboshi should have been a Naruto Tier success. Amano will never get a break.
There's probably not enough interests by other potential sponsors for it. Or the market analysts have determined that there's currently no desire for it.
Or sometimes, the companies do want to make an anime for it, but red tape and long drawn out negotiations between the companies can cause the project to simply take far longer in the planning stage. Or the yakuza who always supplement those anime productions as minority sponsors that you don't really want to piss off nonetheless are being extra annoying and threatening to cause a scandal and ruin the reputation of the big established companies.
In short, business problems as usual.
I feel like you're overestimating how much they care about international audiences, otherwise they wouldn't have let Bleach or even the less popular Toriko rush into ending given their Western followings.
embarrassed by what?
more like lazy
Soul Catcher(s) went to another of their magazines i think.they prob see some money from viz digital WSJ too. and from volumes ofc.
They do, but only a fraction since whoever's localizing and translating the works gets a piece of the pie. That and the highest-selling manga in America, Naruto only sold 500,000 copies of its first volume in 10 years time, while Naruto could sell 1,500,000 copies of any volume in a year in Japan.
This is the exact same situation with Yuna-san right now. It gets middling ratings but ranks high on the tankoubon sales charts. The uncensored tits in tankoubon also plays a huge part.
On a funny note, how competent are the publishers in your respective countries concerning Shonen Jump?
Here in Germany I keep seeing books coming out that are eventually axed a couple of issues later. They pick all the shit that's "fresh&new in japan", but can't really foretell if it will be an ongoing hit.
yeah but naruto and bleach were bigger hits with their anime in the states, actually everything's anime is bigger. they must have made millions off of bleach's anime and licensing.
Yuna isn't on the american one, is it?
They probably get more per volume sale from Americans.
I wonder how much.
There's also France, Italy and Germany too.
>reminds me of how viz shonen jump has a terrible track record of picking up manga from their japanese counterpart
They even dropped Samon.
They should just copy the Japanese strategy and do at least 10 chapters of each series.
What gets me is how fucking depressed his comment was. He's always been so damn upbeat before and this one reads like the beginning of a suicide note. If he gets a chance to do a different series later, I'll definitely be supporting him.
>SWOT and Lock On were 7 years ago
What am I doing with my life? It was only yesterday I was making for of those manga
Covers from WSJ featuring the most recent manga series.
Yeah, I wish Viz leaned more into those, but instead they just try to second guess them by only showing 3 chapters of each of them and only continuing with the ones that seem popular
I wonder if that could ever happen.
They do take their own surveys, I wonder if there would be a modern manga series that gets the axe in Jump that Viz gets to keep going because it gets poor ratings in Japan but tops the charts here.
It would need to be some kind of hypermainstream-sensation that everyone talks about. Not just manga readers, but something that would actually get mentioned in the news.
Really really doubtful for that to happen.
>I haven't caught up/finished Seshiji o Pin! since learning that it ended some weeks ago
>Pretty sure it ended by now
How did it end guys?
Did Watari and Panda boy Tsuuchi win the dance championship and happily married soon after?
Well either way they should start picking up some more, this week's issue only has five ongoing titles in it and the rest are jump starts.
Scans haven't covered the ending yet, but the tournament is over and
the midgets lost despite unleashing their secret technique. The scene was super hype though.
They use weekly survey data, just like the real thing!
>we will never know if Mono was a boy or a girl
I have no idea why I still have this.
Yeah, but he was his own one shot first.
Is there a reason we're not mentioning the elephant in the room? There's also Mai Ball, Area no Kishi, that Aoyama-kun thing that's getting an anime, etc.
Cancellation/natural ending prediction pool:
One Piece: will run for another 10+ years
Haikyuu: will run for another 5 years and die a a natural death
MHA: will run for another 6-7 years and die a natural death
Black Clover: will run for another 7 years and die a natural death
Nevarland: will run for another 5 years and die a natural death
Samon-kun: will keep running forever as part of Numa Shun's pact with the devil
Yuuna: will keep running for another 3 years probably
World Trigger: will migrate to Jump SQ
Soma: will keep running for another 3 years and die a natural death
Zumou: will keep running for another 3 years and be granted leniency for a natural death
Gintama: will end late 2017/early 2018
We can't study: cancelled
Marie: survives 2017
Spring Weapon: cancelled
Saiki might be ending soon. Naturally of course since Jump wouldn't cancel a manga that still has a live-action movie adaptation plus a second season for the anime.
Both of the main romances have gotten a lot of development in the past year like how Saiki went ouph, I can't read the raw but it seems like Kaido and Chiyo finally got together within the last month.
One Piece: will run for another 10-15 years, ye.
Haikyuu: I'll give it 2-3 more years. Running 7-8 years is already long for a manga and it looks Haikyuu is entering in the final arc being in the main tournament (same stuff happened with Kuroko). My bet is that Haikyuu is going to be the next big manga to finish after Shokugeki in end of 2018 or in 2019 first half (not counting Gintama).
MHA: 5 years. Horikoshi said the manga was at the 20% or something similar
Black Clover: It can be the longest running manga here not counting One Piece. If Jump allows it, it can survive +10 years with bullshits like Fairy Tail/Bleach
Neverland: 3 more years is my bet. It gives me the Psyren/Enigma vibe, both of them runned until chapter 150 more or less
Yuuna: something similar to Black Clover but in lesser degree. 5 years maybe?
World Trigger: God, I hope it migrates
Shokugeki: I bet it will finish in 2018. When Souma enters in Elite 10 (he has very huge chances now), it will mean is the beginning of the end. Hell, I can even see it finishing at end of this 2017.
Zumou: I see it finishing this year or beginning of next year. Same sensations as Haikyuu, only difference is things are moving way faster in Hinomaru.
Gintama: Sorachi already said it is finishing this year.
We Can't Study: I see it reaching chapter 90-100 but ending there.
Spring Weapon: Cancelled.
Poro: Cancelled in chapter 40.
Marie: I can see it running for 6-7 years.
I repeat again. Personal bets based in years:
2017: Gintama, Hinomaru
2018: Shokugeki, Neverland (in late 2018), maybe Haikyuu
2020: maybe Hero Academia and Yuuna
When was the last Jump gender bender? Pretty Face?
I'm not sure, just the body language make me think so
I feel like Gintama won't really end until 2018, Sorachi has spent the last 20 chapters only in the early stages of this final arc and letting the supporting cast feel useful. He hasn't even touched the Shinsengumi yet which should make up a good 20 chapters themselves and then there's Takasugi who's arc still needs closure, he's probably another dozen chapters, and Kamui too, etc.
the anime is pretty good and further ahead then the manga, but some jokes got cut out.
Anyway you can't go wrong eitherway,
>gyaru will be getting with the ghost guy
she deserves better than that.
I made this a little while ago. It's kinda hard to read, I know, but it's meant to track the "cumulative years of history" in Jump at the end of each year. 2016 was fucking brutal in this regard, since the cut series were all fairly lengthy.
For purposes of clarity I didn't track anything which couldn't even hang in for a single year.
Well, Bleach and Toriko combined for 23 years, too. But I think it's interesting how "young" jump became. The average age of series dropped by 50%, and you're right - soon, One Piece will be the only series that's even older than 2010. It'll become the new Kochikame, the never-ending outlier surrounded by a fleet of tiny, younger series.
Also, making this chart made me appreciate how abnormal the "big three" situation was. People talking about what's the next Big Three don't realize what they're talking about. Call me when you get another block of series running for 10+ years dominating the top of the same magazine at the same time.
you mean One Piece? You don't think it won't hang on for as long as Oda wants? Certainly Jump is in no hurry to rush their biggest (in some ways even bigger than) hit since Dragonball. And the story isn't showing any signs of nearing a conclusion, either.
Bleach dropped out of the top of the ToC rankings sometime around when its anime ended, both of which happened years before the manga finally stumbled to an end. Its volume sales also took a hit, and the merchandise dried up. The declining popularity was obvious.
One Piece has come down from its insane boom in the early 2010's, but it's still the #1 manga around in every metric, printing money like nobody's business. The two aren't remotely comparable. OP's closest comparison would be Naruto, which ended while still at a relative high in popularity. But Naruto's story had been headed towards an ending, everybody knew it wasn't supposed to last much longer. That's not the case with One Piece, or at least the current arc is showing no signs at all of being climactic.
sure, I'll make a bet with an anonymous person on the internet and check up 10 years later, but first can you tell me why you think OP will end within that time period, besides "everything ends eventually"?
op even after declining recently sells ~5x the amount bleach did after its decline, op hasn't left the top 4 rankings in 5 years while bleach survived in the bottom for its last 5 years, not comparable situations
you're not alone.
do you even read manga at all, let alone one piece? do you know nothing about the author? or shonen jump? or how the industry works?
Because let me get this straight - you think OP will end "soon", because Jump will not be satisfied with OP's industry-dominating sales, and want to re-create the unprecedented boom of 2011, so they cancel the most popular manga in the world, abandoning two decades of accumulated fans, and then have Oda start a NEW series and see if that can be more popular?
I mean, you must realize how insane that sounds, yes?
>this nigga things bleach had shit on one piece in terms of popularity
I think world trigger will get transferred out soon, having 2 series on hiatus just wreaks havoc on Jump's schedule, they already have to clear space every time Togashi decides to come back, and Ashihara does not have that leverage.
We know that Jump doesn't keep open vacancies for Hunter, they just fill its spot during hiatuses and cancel a manga for when it returns, I can't imagine them doing that for 2 series.
Jump needs to ditch their practice of constant competition. It's not healthy for the business to constantly be wasting money on series they know are going to fail. At least base it more on sales instead of purely rankings.
They should just do transfers more often. Last time they did that was with Soul Catcher(S) and iShojo, both were transferred out in the same round, and both lasted over 2 years because of that. Actually iShojo just had its 3rd anniversary earlier this month and is still alive and kicking.
>alive and kicking
Alive, sure, but both of them didn't exactly thrive. Soul Catcher(S) never passed 50k, and iShojo is sub-20k, it would have been more merciful to just axe them so their creators could be freed up to do something that has a shot at success.
>we will never see the midgets git gud enough to try Latin
young jump's digital site beats out urasunday doesn't it? maybe jump+ could piggyback off of it since they're under the same company umbrella. what's even the highest-selling urasunday manga?
It always starts with a simple leap of faith.
i feel bad for sawai, he's like watsuki, only way for him to get anywhere is to ride on his old hit's coattails. sawai even did some moeblob manga that uses bobobo characters, just sad
I'm probably the only one, but I liked Cross Manage. I also thought the HimeDoll one-shot had potential but the author and editors ruined it by deciding to turn it into a harem instead of an idol management manga.
>Jump currently feels like they are flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, do they really know how to quality control to bring on good new series consistently?
Why do retards keep saying this when there's more variety in Jump nowadays than there was a decade ago when there was nothing but battle shounen?
>They're just desperate, because with the end of Naruto and Bleach, only One Piece can keep them afloat.
Out of all of them only Naruto's ending affected sales.
>They're just desperate
Yeah the 1# manga magazine is desperate
>Bleach as a brand, was (worldwide) way more famous and important than any other Jump's good sellings series.
Too bad it dropped in popularity to the point where nobody gave a shit. Also Bleach wasn't an instant hit and took years for it to gain popularity and lose it.
7 battle manga - One Piece, Hunter, World Trigger, Hero Academia, Black Clover, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Boruto
5 comedy manga - Gintama, Saiki, Isobee, Samon, No.01
3 sports manga - Haikyu, Soma, Hinomaru
1 harem manga - Yuna
1 thriller manga - Neverland
This is excluding the 6 new series and ignoring that some are genre-hybrid, like WT could count as a sports series and Gintama has been in years of action arcs and is ending on an action arc too. Also cooking isn't a sport but I decided to count it as one here.
every magazine is shrinking, it's the medium that's the problem, print is dying, that and aging demographics.
jump can't do anything about there being less kids around, but they've been making strides toward digital the past few years, it's just tradition combined with japanese stubbornness is making them slow to adapt to the obvious future.
>Jump needs to ditch their practice of constant competition
Why? They have more new successful series output then anything else. You retards are just butthurt that your favorite series got axed too early. You want a Jump that does cancel manga? Sunday and even they realize how dated their system was and how theyve gain zero new artist in the magazine.
To be clear I clicked it by accident.
Since 2008 they've been losing a lot of their big names >>153923193.
They still have the sellings, but they need new big brands for anime and merchandising.
Big name brands is what brings interest to their magazine, not the few chapters soon to be axed ones. Blech flopped hard, but it brought new, fresh people to know the name Shonen Jump.
Samon might be ending this year too, latest raw introduced a new antagonist, which is strange since the last serious arc flopped, you'd think he would avoid going back to that well so soon, I think the author might have been given a deadline to finish by.
For fans the context is even more suspicious,
this new bad guy is targeting Anri, and one of the 2 main plot threads of Samon is that Samon wants Anri to acknowledge his strength, this arc could finally resolve their relationship, as the narration said, this is the story of how Tesshi falls into hell and of how Samon and Anri stopped being a couple and became friends. This is Samon's whole motivation for being a summoner, if he successfully defends/saves her, Samon's character arc is completely wrapped up, and the only story left to tell would be Samon and Tesshi's relationship which can be done in an epilogue.
Not this round, Hinomaru has 2 more rounds of life, same for Samon, I don't think Jump is rushing them but just giving a deadline for them to work toward. Samon was gifted 2 color pages in a row to commemorate the start of this new arc, that's not something you do if you plan on rushing it.
And Hinomaru just started a match against his biggest rival, the last match he had was 16 chapters long and wasn't rushed at all, he even used the past 2 weeks just setting up for the final match, the pacing is actually slow.
You could argue early Kimetsu wasn't a battle manga, but ever since Zenitsu and Inosuke arrived it's clearly a battle shonen now. We just got a few training chapters recently.
>Zumou: will keep running for another 3 years and be granted leniency for a natural death
this is already heading towards its ending
unless the author forces Hinomaru to fail in becoming a pro and repeating the entire thing as a second year high school student
which I highly doubt since there's no way the bad sales and meh rankings can keep it alive for another 15 volumes
Oh yeah I totally forgot about that one.
I miss buttsu too, it didn't even pull a kiruko to keep me from missing it, but oh well.
I skimmed through the oneshot and the art looked a bit better than it did in the serialization.
>The next Nisekoi they said
I was actually kinda sad it got axed
Its extremely hard to find a straight forward shonen romance (at least a good one) and the ones that do usually fall into one of two categories
1) it eventually turns into to a love triangle, then a full blown harem which intern any previous about the romance element simply devolve into another "best gurl" fight.
2) the actually romance element is shuffled to the end of the line and only pops up every dozen of chapters or so at best.