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Is this the best anime machine to use to watch anime on windows?

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Is this the best anime machine to use to watch anime on windows?
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>>153893860
Why would anybody still watch anime on their computer instead of on their TV?
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>>153893892
You know you can hook those two together right?
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>>153893932
I stream from a media server on my computer to my xbox 1 and use that to watch anime on my tv
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>>153893982
wow that's really interesting anon. Tell me more
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MPC+HC + MadVR offers a lot of nice customization options and nice features, don't think there's anything better
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I stick with MPC-HC with madVR. I find that the alternatives don't really compare.
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>>153894054
>>153894130
>I don't think
mpv is better
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>>153893982
I use Miracast for that.
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>>153893860
I prefer potplayer.
I dare any /a/non to give me a reason to quit potplayer for any other player.
In b4 "TROLOLOL chink software XDDD".
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>this year
>not using vlc
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Inb4 thread deleted/moved to /trash/.
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I used mpc and madvr before and I can say it's shit compared to mpv.
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>>153893860
>on windows
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I've been using MPC and CCCP forever now. I see a lot of madvr posts; am I behind the times like an old man?
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>>153893982
wtf would someone buy an xbone is a better question
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>>153893860
>on windows
This is linux "fight the powah LOL" shit for hardcore fedora tippers.
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>>153894193
>installing a inferior OS just to rice it
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>>153894149
In what ways? Free software has no impact on whether or not it's better.
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>>153894054
>madvr
>people still falling for that

had to make sure i wasnt on /g/
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>>153894149
How so?
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>>153894193
>stacking wm
>kde
>thinking this is even worth posting
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>>153894268
What's wrong with madvr? Regardless of your use case I think the amount of customization it provides will prove useful. If you don't like all the performance heavy options then you don't need to enable them.
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>>153894149
>I use poorly designed software with massive lack of features because I have to be different
MPC-HC + MadVR is the /a/pproved anime player.
>>>/g/
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>>153894268
The cancer never heal.
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>>153894259
>installing an OS so I don't have to deal with Microsoft's bullshit
>>153894295
I'm not about that i3 meme.
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>>153894259
>inferior OS
I bet you're a archfag. Debian is for oldfags.
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>>153894216
Madvr takes seconds to set up on MPC famalam

mpv is for babby. I hated it.
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>>153894193
Please end this meme already
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>>153894345
Please end yourself already
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Some reasons to use mpv
>only ever have to update one program
>runs as good as fully configuration mpc-hc + all the hip filters from the start
>very easy to configurate
>yet as customizable so that there are threads on /g/ where people post the configs
>completely botnet free
>crashes less often compared to mpc-hc
>better subtitle rendering
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>>153893860
The truth is it doesn't matter, watch it however you want.
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>>153894311
It use filters to resize and optimize(?) the image.
Filters many times you can simply find in your player. And they are all "LOL best renderer".
Try deactivating resize and filters and tell let's see how much better than EVR and VMR9 it is.
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>>153894266
>Free software has no impact on whether or not it's better.
incorrect

>>153894278
Better filters
More customizable
Sane defaults if you're a lazy fuck
Minimalist UI that can be made even more minimal
Can be used as a backend for Smplayer or whatever
Can play music/videos from just about any site (porn sites included) with youtube-dl
Alpha blending

>>153894312
>lies and slander
as expected of the Madshi shill. Enjoy paying for madvr when he eventually makes it premium
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MPCHC with NOTHING ELSE

Why do people think they need cccp or madvr for some cartoons. Or are you still using windows xp on a 2001 thinkpad
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so am I the only one that just uses windows media player that came with windows
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>>153894374
Why are MUH FREE autists allowed outside their containment board?
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>>153894412

After the genocide, there shouldnt be ANY of you people left
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>>153894374
>porn sites included
Fuck off.
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>>153894412
Hello grandpa
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>>153894373
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>>153894391
>why do people think they need quality scaling and rendering, with a high degree of customizability as needed to suit their hardware
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I just use the plain MPC-HC with xysubfilter.

Easy to use and works great for most things.
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>>153894412
Still better than streaming if you download 1080p.
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>>153893860
Yes, it's small, simple, efficient and perfect playback quality.
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>>153894487
>customizability

buzz word of the day. Wtf do you need to customize watching something in full screen

and i can guarantee that my cartoons look exactly the same as yours
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>>153894423
Why do consumerist young-millennial retards think they know anything about technology just because they grew up with a smartphone in their face?
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>>153894491
I have yet to run into anything that didnt work with plain mpchc
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MPC or MVP, at least we're not streaming or using VLC
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MPDN is objectively the best media player.
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If you want to be one of the cool kids but can't be bothered to customize your shit just download LAVfilters.
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Can someone tell me what to put in my conf so I can get mpc filenames from mpv screenshots?
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>>153894525
>i can guarantee that my cartoons look exactly the same as yours
You can guarantee to be deluded, but in reality you can't disprove math: https://github.com/haasn/mpvhq-upscalers/blob/master/Rose.md
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>>153894612
I bet you are an audiophile to boot
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>>153894612
Actual autism.
Worst part is, these autists don't even have a properly calculated IPS monitor to display their highest quality pixels.
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>>153894612
madVR can do all that and more. I'm actually curious to see how mpv's subtitle renderer matches up against xysubfilter.
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>>153894600
Are you saving the screenshots using ALT + I?
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So do i need to like, zoom in to see a difference?
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>>153894600
>screenshot-template=/some_directory/%f_snapshot_%wM.%wS_[%tY.%tm.%td_%tH.%tM.%tS]
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>>153894600
You read the manual: https://mpv.io/manual/stable/#screenshot
>>153894640
Nice strawman.
>>153894645
>properly calculated
>calculated
You're an idiot. Learn about scaling algorithms and come back.
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>>153894640
Actual audiophile pursue faithful reproduction. No filter would ever be considered.
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>>153894733
He meant calibrated but he's short of the word.
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>>153894645
>1080p IPS monitor
>perfect resolution for anime
>720p upscaling is easily doable with an RX460
>1440P/4K fags have to put up with the heat and noise of their GTX 1080's, and even then there are still dropped frames everywhere
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>>153894773
>>1440P/4K fags have to put up with the heat and noise of their GTX 1080's
What?
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What size monitor should I get to watch anime BDs properly?
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>>153894773
I still wonder if using monitors below 30 inches (the most usual size for PC monitors) you can actually see any difference between 4k or 1080p. Especially from an upscaled source.
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>>153894805
Apple™ MacBook Pro™ with Retina Display™ gives me the most immersive anime experience.
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>>153894797
If you watch a 1080p/720p show on a 4K monitor/TV then usually you are upscaling it with something like MadVR in which case you'll need a retardedly powerful GPU. Get with the times grandpa.
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>>153894892
I'm scared that this is an actual opinion that someone holds.
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>>153894805
Approximatively 40 inches.
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>>153894805
Get an ultra wide
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>>153893892
Why would I own a TV?
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>>153893892
PC video players and often the monitors as well are better. And this: >>153893932
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>>153893892
I actually can but usually still watch on the laptop, maybe I'm just used to it or have no standards
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I thought the windows build for mpv was kinda shit compared to Linux
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>>153893860
BSPlayer with k-lite codec pack
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>>153893860
yes only faggots using VLC,KM,GOM,
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>>153895152
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>>153894193
>linux
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Why does vlc suck?
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>>153894193
Linux is all well and good if you don't want to play games and use knock off versions of every software.
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>>153894312
>poorly designed software
Mpv is well designed. Are you sure you're not actually talking about mpc-hc? Or do you think that this is an example of well designed software:
https://github.com/mpc-hc/mpc-hc/blob/develop/src/mpc-hc/mplayerc.cpp

>Last stable mpc-hc release was in 2015 despite numerous changes to source code since then
Nice """well-designed""" software
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>>153893860
where are my mpchc bros at?
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>>153894773
>IPS
> video content

Nice black level.
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>>153898938
To be perfectly fair, a lot of work software for Windows is just knockoff versions of *nix ware, and stuff like vi or emacs still work perfectly fine despite looking like they're from the 80s or 90s, which they basically are.

>>153898860
Because MPC with CCC or whatever it was called is better in pretty much every way if you're on windows.
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>>153894374
>No GUI
Automatically invalidates everything you posted here.
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>>153899502
>>No GUI
Whose ass are you pulling stuff from?
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>>153893860

Hey dude, it has to be a thread discussing anime and manga. video player question go to >>>/wsr/
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>>153899542
The manual.
>mpv has no official GUI, other than the OSC (ON SCREEN CONTROLLER), which is not a full GUI and is not meant to be.
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>>153894531
Chances are you are a millennial fag too
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>>153899574
So you mean that there is no full GUI.
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>>153899502
>needing a GUI
Anon I
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It amazes me how even something as insignificant as a fucking video player or choice of OS can turn people into some kind of mudslime fanatics.
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>>153899704
Mostly because of linux and open software fags.
Hell, I bet not even half of them actually use this kind of software to work.
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>>153899704
I'm a huge linuxfag and am unironically on >gentoo right now, but I don't really care too much about people using Windows or MPC because I'm not them and they have a right to use whatever they feel like.
If anything though, I'm slightly miffed that the number of people using Windows means gayms and shiet will never make it to *nix.
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>>153898860
When rendering frames, it doesn't reference backwards. Therefore it's error correction sucks.
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>>153899802
>actually use this kind of software to work
...but...work is basically what Linux is actually good for...
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>>153899804
How do you get around the fact that linux can't run games
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>>153899802
It's because CSfags are overrepresented on 4chan. If you study CS without preferring Linux or Mac to Windows you're pretty much a failure at life.
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>>153899963
CS = C#?
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>>153899998
Computer Science.
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>>153899948
It's called Wine, or if the game you want doesn't work on it, a virtualbox / seperate HDD running pirated Win7.
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>>153893860
I just stream.
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>>153899963
>or Mac
Hehehe no thanks my boy. Windows might be molten shit but Mac is cold and damp shit instead. I mean it doesn't have the colossal fuckup that is the Registry, but it doesn't have >win32 - but the only reason ANYONE uses Windows is because Win32 exists, it's that big of a deal.

>>153900168
>how to bait /a/ in a single post
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>>153899267
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>>153899802
>Hell, I bet not even half of them actually use this kind of software to work.
We mostly produce Linux software where I work. Our clients are RHEL users. There is a lot of Linux use in the industry and a lot of jobs that require Linux knowledge.
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>>153900194
I use a mac because it's a laptop and I often want to lie down after work and while watching anime and I can't do that with my desktop computer
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>>153899802
Most people who have to do with Linux do it for work. Take Android alone. Shows how much og a dumb ass you are who knows nothing.
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>>153900205
>jobs
It's less Linux and more nix in general.

>>153900223
Just take the OS and rend it from the disk. dd if you have to.
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>>153899948
Not that guy, but I get around it by using Linux on my laptop. Playing games on laptops is for plebs, but on the other hand, it would be a waste to install Linux on my desktop PC, which has a mid-range gaymen GPU.

I prefer using the laptop with Linux on it, but my PC is always available for games.
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>>153900194
Nowadays Mac is perfectly usable, just insanely expensive. A ton of people I know from CS got MacBooks from their workplace and they don't seem to hate them.
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>>153899822
What does that even mean? They both play the video the same. Are you an autist?
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>>153900252
>It's less Linux and more nix in general.
Not really? The commercial Unices are dying or dead. The people stuck on AIX or Solaris in 2017 really don't want to be, and they'd switch to a commercial Linux like RHEL if they could. Our software actually used to run on Unix (I forget which ones,) but all of our clients use Linux now.

To be honest, I don't mind if it's Linux or Unix. I prefer either to Windows development. The Windows API is a well known nightmare, and higher level programming environments like C#/.NET are just putting lipstick on a pig.
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is it bad I haven't changed my setup for years?

MPC-HC with Kawaii Codec Pack
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>>153900388
That's probably still fine. If you're using MPC-HC/KCP or mpv, it's okay. Just don't use VLC.
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>>153899822
Explain anon
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I cant even figure out how to config it
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>>153900495
He's bullshitting.
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>>153898860
>>153899822
>>153900495
I don't think that guy is explaining himself well. I'll do my best.

Video files can use inter-frame coding for some frames. The inter-coded frames use information from previous frames, but with the pixels moved around and stuff. When you want to start playing a video from a certain point, you actually have to decode some of the frames before that point in case they are referenced by any inter-frames that will be displayed on the screen. Old versions of VLC didn't do this. They just started playing frames from whenever and used the old reference frames to build inter-frames, which causes image corruption. This is why people post images like pic-related when they talk about VLC.

I don't think VLC is affected by this issue anymore, but the memes will live forever.
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>>153898938
Only nerds play videogames. Are you a nerd?
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Is mpv best scale jinc window jinc? That's sad.
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>>153900769
Did you say ''nerd''?
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Real computer (laptop or desktop) connected to a real TV set with overscan disabled.

Fucking overscan, I had to deal with that all the time in the 00s, the worst was when digi-subbers would push the text to the very edge of the screen. Now most TVs can be set to a "pixel-for-pixel" mode with post-processing turned off so they can even be used as your main display.
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mpdn is the correct answer.
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>>153900516
Windowsfags everyone.
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i just tried the kawaii pack or whatever and it's the same like vlc confirming you're all just a bunch of autists
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>>153900760
Also for a long time it used really crappy subtitles code. Subbers would go out of their way to fuck it up.
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>>153900774
Only you've fallen for madVR's meme filters. Jinc-windowed-Jinc is considered a very well performing filter by signal processing experts. Filters like NNEDI3 and NGU are only preferred by internet forum nerds. They make the image slightly sharper than with Jinc in exchange for ugly ringing and smearing artifacts, but of course, madVR needs to keep churning out its useless snake-oil in order to """compete""" with mpv.
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>>153893860
i use note pad converter to convert the mpv to a .txt file and stream it through vr
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>>153893860
>i'm too retarded to configure mpchc + madvr so this one is the best
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>>153901066
yeah I dont know how to do stuff I have never done before who would have guessed
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>>153899963
If Linux had a stable in-between API like Win32 & DirectX things would be better.
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>>153893982
>not just streaming it straight to your tv
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>>153901216
>he's never actually configured a text file

Holy shit kid get the fuck off the internet and go to school.
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>>153900385
>Unices are dying or dead
Why is that?

Because nobody understands them anymore?

Because everybody has to use PC's because they are so much better?
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>>153901159
Sad.
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>>153900205
Those of you who use Linux due to your jobs are excused because you have a legitimate reason to use it and usually aren't fanatical about it, but here's my issue with the rest.

Why the fuck would someone go full allah snackbar over an OS, and then try their hardest to be as obnoxious as possible to anyone else NOT on their side, when they themselves have no reason other than wanting to be special snowflakes?
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>>153900316
Mac doesn't do anything Linux doesn't do, to the best of my knowledge. It doesn't even have the Windows edge of 100000000000 software designed specifically for it.

>>153901216
Google.
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>>153901323
No, because Linux replaced all other Unix-like systems. If we're counting Linux, Unix is more used than ever.
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>>153901362
>actually leaving the progress bar
Do you not find it incredibly obnoxious when you're watching the show? Just have it appear on hover-over.

>>153901332
It's consolewars / macfags vs. windowsfags but with nix vs. Windows. Also the reason you don't see the not-obnoxious linuxfags is because surprise, they're not obnoxious.
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>>153901324
What did he mean by this?
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>>153900385
>Not really? The commercial Unices are dying or dead.
Yes, I know this is a /g/entoomen pasta, but something something over 90% of mobile something.
But oh wait, Linux and Darwin are not Unix. I guess I can go back to laughing with the pasta instead of at it.
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>>153901323
Linux is a Unix spinoff, and commercial stuff, servers, and supercomputers tend to run linux or some other *nix without exception.
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CCCP
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>>153901373
>Mac doesn't do anything Linux doesn't do, to the best of my knowledge.
Sure, but a ton of people like the user experience on Mac better while being able to do most things you can do on Linux, atleast when it comes to software development.
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>>153901332
I'd like a list like that for Windows and Mac too, but I probably don't know enough to write one myself.
itvision altervista org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
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>>153901416
So basically: Because nobody understands them anymore (because everyone focuses on Linux.)

( /a/ is an image board for Anime & Manga )
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>>153901324
You can't create information out of nothing, but you can fake it with shit algorithms, which is why you always see meme-scaler-advocates using cherry-picked images.

Also holy shit, I hope you're not advocating for that "Neural Enhance" thing. Look at all the ringing under the 'M' or near the traffic lights. That's fucking garbage. It's also worth mentioning that NGU distorts the shapes of most of those characters by over-sharpening them. Most look nothing like the originals. It's better to just have a slightly-soft looking upscale than one with detail that didn't exist in the original.
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>>153901373
>It doesn't even have the Windows edge of 100000000000 software designed specifically for it.
Install a package manager and Wine and you basically get everything for macOS, tons of shit for *nix and tons of shit for Windows.
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>>153901515
I guess it comes down to personal preference then, who knows.

>>153901416
>because Linux replaced all other Unix-like systems
OSX is technically Unix-like.
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>>153900978
You should have been able to control the overscan/underscan within the video card's settings. I remember doing that back in CRT days.
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>>153901286
you could have just told me edit x file or create it if it dosent exist
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>>153901594
>OSX is technically Unix-like.
Technically it's UNIX.
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>>153901438
its hover over
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>>153901562
So, basically: you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not about understanding, Linux replaced the others since it's better, mainly because of the open source mentality used in its development.
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>>153901450
I think you might be on my side. I wasn't saying that no one used Linux, I was saying that no one uses Unix, and that most ex-Unix users use Linux in 2017. But yeah, the situation is actually pretty good on mobile. Most devices use Linux, and the runner up uses one of the last commercial Unices. Only shit phones that no one buys use Windows. If only it was like that on the desktop.
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>>153901504
muh черная
CCCP codec pack 4evah
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>>153901579
But then isn't it literally the same as Linux then? My point by bringing up Windows was that the biggest reason imo Windows remains this huge is because of compatibility and the idea that, you know, something like 75% of software and 80% of games are made for Windows, if that weren't true then the only real things it has going for it are the registry, which is not really a plus due to how fucking massive and convoluted it is at this point, and the >user friendly but Mac and stuff like Debian are pretty friendly too. And Wine doesn't work perfectly on everything, it's still buggy with some software and a metric shitton of games.

>>153901658
Micropeen are in a self-reinforcing loop at this point, even the fucking disaster that was Windows 8 didn't do anything.
Am I the only one who's a little miffed that Cuntana needs to steal yo shit for it to work? She has a sexy af voice
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>>153894731
>not screenshot-template="vlcsnap-%tY-%tm-%td-%tHh%tMm%tSs%03n"
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>>153901814
t. VLC pro
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Reminder that MPC-HC cannot take screenshots with subtitles while mpv and even VLC can.
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>>153901872
wew
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>>153901658
The big thing about "commercial Unix" was that it was used to sell the hardware, though they charged big money for the OS as well, and the support contracts for the OS.
Then PCs got as good as workstations, including 3D support thanks to games. Even when people did use the workstation hardware, they started dumping the Unix for Linux because it was free.
But still, Slowaris wouldn't be dying so fast if it wasn't for Orrible buying Sun.
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I like MPV because it looks the cleanest.
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>>153901655
There is a questionmark missing.

If I had a good idea about the topic I wouldn't be asking.
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>>153893860
I use VLC on pc and phone and never had problems.
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>>153901928
So PC's becoming "good-enough" contributed to declining UNIX-usage?
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>>153899502
Use SMPlayer configured to use mpv.
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>>153901872
MPC-HC has a lot of weird limitations because it's trying to hack modern components like LAV, XySubFilter/AssFilterMod and madVR around a framework out of the 90s: DirectShow. Even VSFilter was arguably a hack, since it used a filter to write complex subs onto the video stream, but DirectShow doesn't cater for screen-res sub filters like XySubFilter and AssFilterMod at all, so they have to bypass DirectShow and use a proprietary interface on madVR. It's not surprising that this breaks screenshots.

People should really be trying to get away from DirectShow altogether. mpv is a modern alternative that puts an emphasis on video quality and correctness, but I wonder why there aren't more video players like it, and why people in the 21st century are still writing brand new DirectShow code.
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>>153894612
I am not even that anon you are replying to but...

MPCHC's bicubic interpolation is the same thing as spline16. Even in those samples you can see very little gains in other spline methods or any other methods. Lanczos is not very suitable for cartoons because it tends to sharpen the edges and introduces halos (around the edges/lines), its sharpening effect can also amplify the aliasing. And the differences are even harder to notice if you are watchig for example 720p video on 24 inch 1080p monitor. (Which I consider kind of standard setup for most of the people watching anime.) On TV you will see even less depending on how far from the TV you are. Better upscaling methods/interpolation is more noticeable if you are watching SD video.

What is noticeable as improvement with these more sophisticated players or renderers is better chrome upsampling since chroma is usually at lower resolution than your video. And that also depends on the resolution (from what to what you are resizing) and the type of scene (flat surfaces with saturated colors are often problematic).

Overall I think 99.9% of people watching anime don't need anything better than just MPCHC with EVR renderer and bicubic interpolation since they won't even notice the difference 99.9% of the time. And my guess is that a good chunk of people using something better do so only for placebo.
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mpv has better subtitle rendering.

mpv has better audio quality.

mpv has better video quality.

mpv can play videos from any website with youtube-dl, and you can choose whether you want to stream it or download it.

mpv comes in a simple and neat package with only mpv.exe, whereas all the other programs have 1000 files in various folders.

mpv is more lightweight than any other video player and yet offers all of the above.
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>>153902058
Yes. Which would a business prefer to buy ten of if they had similar performance? Windows PC* fully loaded with hottest i7 and 64GB RAM for under $3K or workstation for $10K-$20K?
*even if you install Linux, it will usually come with the Windows Tax unless you build from scratch

But step two was the software vendors who needed workstations for their software to be usable at all to make Windows versions, Autocad, etc. There's no way to use the cheaper computers if the expensive software package you need doesn't run on them.
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how disable upscaling in mpv
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>>153901967
VLC on iPhone is breddy good, except the lack of processing power means it chokes sometimes on higher-res videos.
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>>153902307
--video-unscaled=downscale-big
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>>153902135
A lot of programs use incredibly fucking legacy code or frameworks for some reason. Like not even normal legacy, it's shit literally two decades old.

>>153902226
>which would a business prefer to buy ten of
For server usage or for company usage? For actual desk work it depends whether or not you're going to sieve out people who have not used Linux.
For server or supercomputational usage you don't buy computers, you buy a server or a supercomputer which generally come functionally empty.
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>>153902155
Reminder that photoshop's team everytime they are asked why they don't use other kind of resize interpolations they just reply "we tested other stuff but bicubic just give better results".
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>>153902485
Bicubic is the best for me.

>No artifacting
>No ringing
>Details preserved, just a little bit blurry
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>>153902390
You don't buy ten servers and no desktops, anon.
Servers vs desktop are a few orders of magnitude apart in terms of how many are sold. PC caught up in the early 2Ks with workstation hardware. I'm talking about desktop, and not even about OS here.
But Linux happens to also be a server-class OS that doesn't need to be rebooted weekly. (Not entirely true, I have a MythTV that needs a cron job to auto-reboot when a tuner card driver gets wedged, but that's not the OS's fault.)

Server-class hardware does add a bit of cost, but servers are not nearly as important to the decline of commercial Unix as desktop workstation apps going to PC.
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>>153902515
And if is not "sharp" enough for your taste just use the "sharpening" options in your player and there you go... without even overloading your GPU.
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why are we talking about servers and algorithms on a chinese cartoons board
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>>153902682
>desktop
That's the thing though. I'm not sure what you're using ten workstation-class PCs for. Your normal grunts are just sitting on Windows 7 pushing excel boxes around.
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>>153902515
You use bicubic for upscale and downscale?
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>>153903003
I do. Bicubic do a good job at both. Even if downscale is something i don't really care. Is a simpler process than the upscale and the resulting image is usually neat. But most importantly is something i rarely need to do.
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>>153903279
I'll be sure to try it later. I fucking hate artifacting and ringing.
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>>153902485
I think that photoshop should give you more options but It's kind of not so useful to compare photoshop to video player. Video player is just... for playing videos. You don't watch videos and go frame by frame studying if you can notice some difference between spline16 and some neural network resampling. Video editors can benefit from those options but it's harder to justify the use in video players. I mean it isn't completely useless, it's just not needed. Even if we talk about power users, they are still only human so at some point some features are just there to make you feel better even if you can't really tell the difference.

Also, It's ok to use newer and better software. I just can't get mad at people using something inferior that "just" satisfies their needs. And software users can't really asses more than usability of the software. They don't care (and really don't need to) about code or that one program uses slightly more resources than the other. And usability of more sophisticated resampling options (better than bicubic) in video players is debatable as I tried to say.
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>>153903411
>Video player is just... for playing videos.
True. And that's exactly why i don't care about comparison images between a resized detail. When you play a video it make a different feeling than just watching a single frame.
I've stared at resized videos of many kinds. using both madVR and other resize options of my player with EVR.
And in the end i cannot say that the bicubic interpolation give me a worst result than others. And the GPU overloading enhancements from madvr in the end where stuff i would not even notice while playing the video.
So for me and my monitor EVR+bicubic is a winner. It does the job properly and stay light. And if i need more enhancement i just use other filters.
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>upscaling your anime in the first place
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>>153902946
I'm not talking about pleb word processing shit, I'm talking about people who need to do real work like CAD stuff, engineers, architects, people who had to budget for workstations back in the '90s because there was no other choice.
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>>153904177
>real work stuff
I...I mean people doing real work stuff are still going to be using 1.5k+ pieces of hardware each, at minimum.
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>>153902155
>sharpen the edges and introduces halos
easily fixeble

>its sharpening effect can also amplify the aliasing
no, it's not, educate yourself, ewa_lanczos is much better than bicubic in everything
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The thing I miss the most about MPC-HC is how it would add everything to the little windows recent files menu so I can't lose my place when I'm marathoning something

Other than that I prefer mpv
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>>153904354
Did you miss how I specifically mentioned the '90s? You know, when commercial Unix was still relevant anywhere other than as a server? Shit is a lot cheaper these days even counting inflation.
Being cheaper than "under $3k" makes my point even stronger. I was just trying to deflect any "but muh $2500 MacBook Pro custom order build" whining.
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>>153904503
>I was just trying to deflect any "but muh $2500 MacBook Pro custom order build" whining.
Not even sure what this means

>when commercial unix was still relevant anywhere
I personally think it has nothing to do with lower costs or whatever. Workstations these days still come with Windows a lot of the time.
It has to do with the idea that when probably 75+% of your potential workforce doesn't know how to use *nix but are good enough with Windows, you don't want to cull your own selection for irrelevant shit. If they're doing CAD, modelling, animation, etc. then they're not going to care if they're on *nix, Mac, or Windows as long as they've got the tools to get the job done.
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>>153903822
>EVR+bicubic is a winner. It does the job properly
you either blind or retarded, even with bicubic 0.6 you already have a ton of ringing artifacts
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>>153894193
>those terminal colors
you'd be better off using windows
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>>153894193
ITTNDT?
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>>153894193
>literally using KDE
>not even just some of the better parts
>all of it
End thyself
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>>153904646
So familiarity is a factor too, even if a Non-Windows Workstation might have been more performant at a specialized Task.
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http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/201679
Bicubic looks like garbage.
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>>153905074
This is a good frame for testing.
Exactly what episode is this?
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>>153905185
Ending, 00:54.
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>>153905074
What config did you use?
To simulate MPC-HC's bicubic:
[code]
scale=catmull_rom
scale-param2=0.6
[/code]
this should be the only 2 lines in mpv.conf

And compare it to
[code]
profile=opengl-hq
scale=ewa_lanczos
sigmoid-slope=10.0
[/code]
Result should be clean, absolutely free from ringing and aliasing.
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>>153905470
Catmull and lanczos isn't bicubic.
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>>153905581
Catmull_rom is literally bicubic
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>>153905074
This is what i obtain with potplayer's shader bicubic 2-pass 0.75 on EVRcustom
Not nearly as blurry to what you posted.
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>>153905644
Resized from 720p of course
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>>153905600
Bicubic is bicubic. Catmull isn't.
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>>153905806
educate yourself retard
http://entropymine.com/imageworsener/bicubic/
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>>153905898
If catmull was bicubic it would be called bicubic.
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>>153905470
Did one with those settings. They look the same. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/201685
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>>153906282
If you wouldn't be retarded you wouldn't post this bullshit
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>>153906361
You know I'm right.
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>>153906397
I know you are too retarded to even read
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ewa_lanczossharp/soft are a meme?
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>>153901872
>watching anime with subtitles
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>>153905644
here is ewa_lanczos/nga comparison
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/201686
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>>153906334
different frames (I'm not saying "thats' why they look the same")
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>>153906964
and here different frames too
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>>153907234
give me the exact frame then please
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>>153906964
nga?
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>>153900388
>MPC-HC with Kawaii Codec Pack
This is what I still use too.
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>>153907187
It only vary the eyes color a little. The comparison between resizes remain good.
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>>153907355
sorry my bad, the proper name is NGU
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>>153893860
VLC it just works.
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>>153904492
save-position-on-quit
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>>153893860
What's the best config for chink cartoons?
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>>153905185
Not very good, all scalers look almost the same on it.
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>>153906397
That's some convincing argument.
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>>153907707
profile=opengl-hq
hwdec=auto-copy
scale=ewa_lanczos
sigmoid-slope=10.0
deband-iterations=2
deband-range=12
video-sync=display-resample
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>>153907841
>hwdec=auto-copy
Why The Fuck?
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>>153907841
>opengl-hq
Interesting...
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>>153907710
It underline obvious differences. To easily spot major mess ups like the broken bicubic in >>153905074 it does the job.
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>>153908705
>broken bicubic
it's not broken, it uses different parameters (0.5 for blur and 0.5 for sharpness, and in this >>153906334 comparison 0 for blur, 0.6 for sharpness)
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>>153908829
Well... it was shitty and surely not a good example of what bicubic resampling do.
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>>153894577
This. Literally the only player that can utilize an nvidia optimus GPU correctly.
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>using MPC-HC over MPC-BE
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>>153907481
It sure took them long enough to get to that point.
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>>153909705
Nvidia Optimus GPU works just fine on mpv with Bumblebee.
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>>153910072
There's a long road on the way to perfection.
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>>153893860
Am I the only one who uses kodi?
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>>153911161
i hope you are bc thats shit
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>>153911161
You're not, I use it on my HTPC as well. What Kodi skin is that by the way?
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>>153900760
It still does do it. Should I just go for MPC?
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>>153911218
how is it shit? Also I should mention its on a tv halfway across the room and I control it using a ps3 controller. Just in case you thought I was using it with a mouse at a computer.

>>153911249
mimic, and the folder is using the infowall view. I need to change the red text but haven't gotten around to it.
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>>153901872
vanilla mpc can
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>>153907481
lol no it doesn't
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>>153911565
Thanks, I might start tuning my Kodi installation again. I can't remember which skin I use but yours looks much nicer.
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>>153912312
Download anime, click anime, anime plays. It just works.
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>>153901324
Actually this is a bad example. None of the filters are better than nearest neighbor scaling of the characters. Typical usage is upscaling lineart.
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>>153912332
there are a lot of garbage skins, but mimic is pretty nice, looks good with all my collections. zephyr is also decent.

Have you used it with anime before? It can be a little confusing to set up because of the way kodi does things.
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>>153905074
First, ewa_lanczos produces obvious ringing, which makes it more garbage.
Second, the entire screenshotcomparison methodology is flawed. You don't watch anime by gluing your eyes to the screen. You watch it at a viewing distance. Any comparison without taking into account of the viewing distance is moot. But apparently you can't even do that without an extremely good camera. So enjoy your circlejerk on screenshotcomparison.com.
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>>153912982
Yeah, I have the AniDB scraper set up. It's mostly that I haven't yet found found a skin that I truly liked. I'll definitely try mimic out though.
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>>153913198
>ewa_lanczos produces obvious ringing
no it's not
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>>153893982
>buying a xbone
Why not just hook up an HDMI cable from a laptop to your TV?
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>>153913407
You're blind.
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https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/3863
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>>153913500
And what settings do you use?
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>>153913313
hope you end up liking it, the only thing that's not perfect for me about it is the player skin, just because if you seek, the seekbar can block subs for a few seconds before it disappears. This could probably be remedied by making the color that the seek panel uses more transparent but I haven't tried it.

How is your htpc set up by the way? Do you use a network server or do you just have all the storage in the machine? I've just been using my main pc set up next to my tv for now but I want to build one and I'm not sure which route to go.
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>>153913637
That's png taken from OP's comparison.
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>>153913663
see with proper config >>153906334
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>he doesn't project anime directly into his brain
Plebs.
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Which mpv shaders are good for anime?
>>
How do you guys know what this bicubic opengl gibberish means? Do you go to school for this or something?
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>>153913623
It only confirms NGU works by removing details. It's ok for scaling lineart with minimum ringing but even with lineart it would artificially reduce the thickness of the lines.
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>>153913828
The amount of ringing in ewa_lanczos is the same.
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>>153913854
You still need a decoder.
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>>153914011
it's the same as in bicubic, and probably that ringing is in the source
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>>153913646
I have a headless Ubuntu server running NFS to store the video files and a MariaDB instance to store Kodi series and episode metadata. I've also setup a deluge torrent client daemon that I can connect to remotely to download series directly to my server.

With the NFS and MariaDB servers the Kodi instances on my desktop and HTPC both have the exact same library, with progress synced between them.

I can definitely recommend building your own HTPC/server, it's a ton of fun tinkering with them.
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>>153914062
Oh so now we are moving on from renderers to decoders?
>>
MPC+CCCP, been using it for years
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>>153914097
The thing with lineart in anime is not just about infinite sharpness. If you look at any vector tracing from anime screenshot you'll find them much less appealing than the original, which is because the lines in the lineart have width. If a line is too sharp it'll be perceived as two edges, distracting from its original purpose of separating colored areas. In this sense even a small amount of ringing would make it worse by producing something that has four visible edges.
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>>153914062
>he unironically can't mentally insert downloaded files and let his brain do all the work
>having to do any sort of physical work at all
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>>153914157
So your htpc pulls from that seperate server? You don't get any buffering times or artifacts? For me I'm just questioning whether or not I have a use for a separate home storage server or if I should just use a slightly bigger htpc to act as the storage, downloader, and media player in one. I do have a lot of files so having a storage server would be nice.
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>>153914762
The buffering is nonexistent with gigabit ethernet and I see no artifacts either. I like using a separate server since you can have them stay on for months, while with HTPCs you'd probably like to shut them down every once in a while, to save energy if nothing else.

I also use my server for a ton of other stuff so it's convenient for me to have a separate machine for server needs.
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>>153905074
That's a lot of blur. I use bicubic too and it looks like this.
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>>153914998
good point, if I set all of that up on a separate server I could use it for many other things and be more flexible. I'll have to learn how to set up a database though, I really need to and have been putting it off.
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>>153915715
For databases, unless you're developing your own software you can most of the time just follow a guide. For Kodi, assuming you can use the Linux command line, you can use the guide on their wiki: http://kodi.wiki/view/Mysql
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