Has the deteriorated animation quality of anime been addressed

>>153765717
>deteriorated animation quality of anime
KyoAni exists. Your argument is invalid.

>>153765717
Lurk more before posting, a couple of years is the standard.

Just because you've seen a few old high budget productions doesn't mean you're suddenly an expert on old anime. And comparing them to the average airing anime is plain retarded.

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>>153765927
Ninja Slayer.

>>153765927
Kimi no Na wa

>>153765717
>but i know enough
No you don't. Quit quoting the same damn movie a million times because that's not surporting such an obviously wrong argument.
Shut and lurk more, or fuck off.

>>153765927
>Frog posting
You couldn't even help it.

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>>153765999
>>153766015
akira looks like there is more going on

the sity in kimi na wa city looks dead, akira city has more going 4 it

>>153766293
if you're not a troll you're mistaken on so many levels

>>153765717

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdFwQkOC7a0
All of Gurren Lagann looks better

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>>153766341
no im not trolling
when you watch AKIRA and look at the city, it is moving, different frames

when you look at kimi no na wa the city is obviously just a cut in past back ground and looks plain dead

theres no interacting between the characters on screen and the city scape

which is cheap animation i am refering to,

the characters dont even fit into the environment like in akira,

basically texture less character design with no shade or depth

>>153766615
your gif is also a painting scrolling in background

Always remember what you're comparing.
Weekly series, OVAs, TV specials, movies, they all have varying budgets and time constraints, thus affecting the animation, polish, corrections, and design.

>>153766615
Akira looks great but I think it focused on that too much. Like great effort was put into making these cool looking scenes happen one after another but the story is kinda strange as a result.

>>153765717
> im not that much into anime
Fucking leave, then, retard.

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>>153766851
THE STORY IS THE ENTIRE POINT IN WHY AKIRA IS LEGENDARY, BUT THERE WAS A TIME WHERE STORY AND IMAGE QUALITY HAD A STANDARD, I SERIOUSLY KNOW BECAUSE I REMEMBER THOSE TIMES

I REMEMBER NOT TOLERATING ANIME WITH POOR ANIMATION

THIS WAS WHEN VHS AND DVDS WERE COLLECTED, AND PEOPLE LITERALLY WOULDNT BOTHER WITH BAD ANIME

EVERYTHING WAS SPREAD WORD OF MOUTH, A FRIEND OF MINE TOLD ME ABOUT WHICH ANIMES WERE GOOD ID WATCH AND ID SAY YEA IT WAS GOOD OR YEA IT WAS BAD

THE COVER MENT EVERYTHING, WE ACTUALLY JUDGED THE BOOK BY ITS COVER AND THUS THATS HOW WE DISCOVERED ANIMES

NOT THIS "GIVE IT A CHANCE BRO JUST LOOK PAST THE ART STYLE"
BULL SHIT

FUCK OFF

>>153765927
>I want TV shows to have movie-quality animation
I bet you're a fucking leaf

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>>153767047

>>153766615
Gif not related, I guess? Anyway, yeah, Akira did some cool stuff with its animation, it's overall a very polished product, no one's denying that. But it certainly isn't representative of the 80s and 90s as a whole. Some high budget, polished films came out in those decades. But high budget, ambitious films come out in EVERY decade. Look at almost any Ghibli film since the studio was founded in 1985 for consistent examples.

The thing you're failing to take into account is that theatrical films make up the least proportion of anime out there. In terms of how many are produced each year, ever since the early 80s, it's gone: TV series > OVA sets > theatrical films. Which as >>153766740 mentions, all have varying production values, with TV having the lowest, and films having the highest.

Although I don't believe this is true, let's consider a hypothetical example wherein Akira is THE GREATEST piece of animated media ever made. Even if that were true, the worth of the 80s and 90s overall would still be dragged down by the enormous amount of shitty looking TV anime made back then. This is the regular animation quality of the most popular, mass-produced shows back then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XOPuVkQ3uc There's no difference between then and now: the few high budget films released in a year will look great, the huge amounts of low budget TV shows will look mediocre.

If there's any argument to be made here, it's that TV shows now look better than ever before, due to the effects of digital animation techniques being developed and investors being willing to put more money into TV shows, but that's a topic for a different thread.

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>>153765717
Damn, you're right.

>>153767461
>THE GREATEST piece of animated media ever made
That would be Nichijou.

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>>153765717
>but i know enough to know that anime thats being created in the past 10 years isnt as close to as good as the average old anime from the 80's and 90s
Well you see in the year 2007 the group known only as "Kyoto Animation" (also called KyoAni) assassinated everyone who worked in the animation industry at the time and invented what would become known as "moeshit" thus killing anime forever.

>>153767587
I dont understand this show's animation quality, there were parts that looked great and then others where it looked worse than gundam 079. The color palette looking like utter puke didnt help.

Making declaring reports bannable, was easily one of Moot's worst mistakes.

>>153765717
>reddit spacing
>im
>im not that much into anime
>but i know enough
>isnt
>80's and 90s
>gaming industry

>>153765927
>frogposting
>cant

>>153767812
They obviously priorotised some scenes over others, to a disproprtionate degree.

>>153765717
>most of it is like 2 frames per second these days

Yeah, thats fucking high you dumbshit. Anime almost never has 24 drawings per second

>>153767822
Don't you faggots realize the irony of trying hard to fit in while greentexting and calling everything you dislike Reddit? You're even more cancerous than those others because you don't realize you are just as retarded.

>>153767822
>reddit spacing

most autistic gripe since the overuse of greentext started. get lost fag you probably don't even remember when Wikipedia articles had trivia sections.

>>153767822
>Moot
>reddit spacing
You forgot to also say something like "I bet you like SAO, redditfag" to fit in better.

>>153765717

I partially agree with your statement but come on... you can't say that and post GITS. GITS is by all definitions far above average.

While anime quality certainly have dropped it is also true that 10 years ago, okay, make it 20 years ago a western viewer would not get the whole spectrum. You would get (some) of the hits, the real popular ones and that's it.

Later on the industry would sell canned combos. You get 2 popular ones 8 crappy ones and so on. Now you can watch whatever so quantity has grown but quality has not.

You still get like 1 or 2 decent looking anime each year and every few years some of those that look good also come packing a memorable plot and characters.

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>>153767822
>>153767927
>>153768078
OP here

never been to reddit ever in my life, only time i actually hear about reddit is when i browse 4chan

>>153768187
that is probably the most reddit thing I've ever read

>>153765717

>>>/v/
>>>/pol/

interchangeable really, and you stink of both.

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>>153767047

>>153767461
>reasoning with a frogposter

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>>153768449
>>153767188
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT FROM ME?????????

lurk moar

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>>153767047
>>153768690

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>>153768728
YOU!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DO YOU WANT

LEAVE
ME
ALONE

Anime had a better aesthetic back then with handpainted backgrounds, shooting on film and the color palette of cel animation.

The actual animation quality is better now, in general.

>>153770137
It has to do more with the studio than age then with the time, for example Bones anime is always going to have consistent fluid animation while DEEN will always have a shitty inferior animation and that will probably never change.

>>153765717
Never bother making these threads on /a/ lol

You'll anger the moeblobs to defend their shitty low quality cheap production animated ecchi fap content.

>>153765757
Modern anime would be miles better than it is now if KyoAni didn't exist. Nothing but a plague on the entire industry.

>>153765717
You can't possible be serious about animation quality declining when the recent decade has provided some of the best-animated TV anime ever.

>>153765717
Much like western animation things went to shit once traditional drawing was done away with in favor of computers.

>>153775323

>add a bunch of useless forced character animations
>can't draw a background anymore, just blur over photos and add lense flares
>can't even design characters anymore, just copypaste the same dumpy moeblobs with an emotional range that goes from slightly annoyed to embarrassed

huh

wow

truly a golden age

>>153770137
Animation's always going to be dodgy on a weekly series but yeah, the switch to computers/digital had a large effect in the kind of feeling of soullessness.

In other words, it's yet another reason I hate Blood: The Last Vampire for helping to pioneer/normalize all of that. It would've happened eventually anyway but it was the first so fuck you I.G.

>>153765717

>Gaming industry

2/10 for making me reply.

>>153775709
Blood: TLV is I.G.'s first full digitally coloured production but various studios in the 90s were already experimenting with CGI and digital colour and composite so it's silly to blame a single studio. Cowboy Bebop for instance had episodes and scenes with digital elements. Anyway, it's not like digtial automatically means a "soulless" or sterile look. Sure, the convenience of digital provides a lower barrier to entry but it also allows to break new ground in production methods in terms of efficiency and creative expression. Without digital composite, we won't get Shinya Ohira's multi-layered animation or Kou Yoshinari's beautiful digital 2D fire effects.

Talk about 2D digital
The Vision of Escaflowne TV version cost $300,000 usd per chapter in mid 90' still win my heart

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>>153775419
Stop saying stupid things.

>>153776669
What is your picture supposed to prove? Those could be 2d layouts or reference drawings for the CG.

>>153775462
Nice over-generalizations, nerd.

>>153776907
Not him but anime is still technically hand-drawn. They scan the drawings, put them into computers, and then color over them.

>>153770137
So, why is it so hard to emulate the aesthetic in digital?

Is it so impossible, or has the industry as a whole chosen not to try?

>>153776669
I never noticed the cat is there.

>>153777158
It's possible to emulate it, King Gainer and G-Reco did it to an extent. I'm sure there's other shows too, it just takes more effort.

>>153777299
But stuff like the three tone shading and the lighting effects don't seem to be anywhere near how they once were.

>>153777158
Hand-painted backgrounds still exist though many productions prefer fully digital ones as it's faster which suits the rushed nature of anime production. Film grain is merely a byproduct of analog filming so it has to be a deliberate aesthetic choice for it to appear these days. Other things like designs and shading style are merely trends of the past and have largely fallen out of vogue.

>>153777340
Shading in old TV anime was fucking shit, which is to say half the time it didn't even exist at all.

>>153777340
You still find three-tone shading in some mecha anime with veteran animators. Having said that, complex shading in old anime isn't as common as you think it is. Lighting techniques are different due to changes in filming trends and the flexibility of digital post-processing.

It's because they stopped doing cel animation

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>>153776907
>Those could be 2d layouts or reference drawings for the CG.
Except they're not. You can see that exact drawing in the anime. Don't be stupid.

>>153765717
That's a movie. Anime movies today still look good. Retard.

>>153765717
Fucking kill yourself. Anime has always been an industry which basically exploits his workforce to exist. And that is true since the Tezuka days. That combined with animation techniques that required less drawings (and by that I mean less, a lot less than 2 frames per second, fucking ignorant retard) allowed anime to be bought overseas and to spread thanks to how cheap it was. And there you go, making a thread about the worsening quality of anime, with fucking Ghost in the Shell in the OP. Congrats, you made me mad.
There, here's a video of your quality 80s animation you love so much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYIsilWyKM

>>153777673
so did you have a point somewhere in there?

>>153767047
Anime has been kill since Cowboy Bebop went off the air. Give up on it.

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>>153777756
>Lel u mad
Apparently your reading comprehension is lacking too.

>>153777571
Cel animation is an outdated, expensive and wasteful procedure.

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>>153765717
>if the gaming industry worsened graphics the industry would be in an uproar

Are you fucking kidding me?

Did you just not notice the plague of pixelly "indie" games that's taken over PC and Xbone/PS4?

The older consoles were insulated from it because developers of shitty games couldn't get their harvest moon clone running in 512MB and a triple-core 3.2GHz processor, but now the floodgates are open and all the shit from Steam is everywhere.

>>153777834
You seem upset

>>153777928
I just told you I was. But at least your pathetic attempts at baiting made me laugh, so thanks for that I guess. I feel better about myself now.

>>153777964
Good job!

>>153765717
What's happening is it's well-known that excessive double spacing is a characteristic of reddit scum, your typing is terrible and you're most likely on a phone, and bringing up the gaming industry unnecessarily means the board you most commonly harm on this site is /v/. You're disqualified from posting here until you comply with global rule 2.

>>153777891
doesnt matter. it's aesthetically superior.

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>anime was better in my time

Sure, grampa.

>>153765717
>animation quality
>ANIMATION
>posts a still

>>153778124
Yes it does, cause even if it is aesthetically superior, the fact is no one is making it anymore.

>>153778124
That's your opinion.

>>153778124
Which aspects in particular do you find pleasing?

>>153765717
Nobody cares
Its a business to sell plastic crap now, there is no passion left.

>>153779766
>Its a business to sell plastic crap now
>now

>>153779784
Expected reply. You know what I mean, with lower and lower sales there are less original anime the focus shifts more and more towards anime being nothing but an ad.
Gundam 0079 had merit than no modern anime even tries to come close to even if it was about selling a plastic toy

>>153777607
Your name looks like shit compared to that

>>153765717
Budgets and profit margins are a thing, anon.

Why bother with artful, hand drawn, cel-animated animes that's frameworthy in stills when only like 2% of the PAYING audience gives a flying fuck. The things they look for quality in are figs and daki. When it comes to things like BG art and hand drawn animation, otaku don't care, just give them cute character designs and decent writing for their waifu, followed up by figs that make them feel like 2d is finally real and a few hundred gatcha mobage time wasters.

yes this post is anno-tier self hatred and projecting
yes i cry because my waifu isn't real

Sorry OP you cant even suggest that anime was better in any way in the past, it triggers this board something fierce.

Animation consistency and framerate have improved while design and direction have gotten worse. The biggest box office hit in forever looks like an expensive tv anime. There's nothing visually distinct or memorable about it.

>>153779862
You are on point though, its either that or shonen/manime crap. Which next season there is a bunch of and I expect /a/ to get the worst its ever been

>>153779963
individuality is the protoform of culture.

don't whine because japan is finally done flailing around after wondering what to do besides copy disney

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>>153765717
>videogame fans that are experts in the anime medium by watching 20 whole anime

>>153779963
>The biggest box office hit in forever
You mean Kimi no Na Wa? The animation and art were pretty good though, it was just held back by budget constraints.

>>153765717
>if the gaming industry worsened graphics the industry would be in an uproar
Dude, Ubisoft calls it marketing. They haven't made a game that looks as good as Unity since. Now I better leave before /a/ starts schreechign at me for being a /v/ermin, but in my defense Op's thread is a shit.

https://youtu.be/xNter0oEYxc

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Story> animation

>>153768187
Reddit is a way of life, a spiritual conviction. You don't have to go to reddit in order to be a redditor.

>>153774471
it's not their fault that other studios ape them

Oh look, it's this thread again.
>i-i-it's the animators' fault anime is shit now!
No, it's your fault. Stop watching crap and it'll stop being made. Stop pirating the good stuff and it'll stop disappearing.