Horror

>>153713250
Horror and anime don't mix.

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>>153713250
>horror
>great
it's always edgy shit like the op pic aimed at edgy teenagers like yourself
here's an accurate depiction of OP btw

Junji Ito is the Invader Zim of manga

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>>153713310
I disagree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUJ2WnUsrzA

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>>153713410

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Because it's too scary!

>>153713410
>Junji Ito
>edgy
OP's picture comes from one of his "gag" story though. Souichi shenanigans are fucking weird.

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>>153713501

>>153713250
It doesn't sell.
It needs to be mixed with something else like isekai or battle shounen.

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>>153713250
>he hasn't seen Midori yet
>>153713454
what did he mean by this

>>153713250
because it doesn't sell well

and Ito is really bad at horror to the point it makes you think it's just a suspense that never fails to deliver a nonsensical conclusion that makes you wonder why you ever bothered trying thinking more deeply about what's going on

Post the one with the guy under the house. You know the one.

I think the problem is people can't really insert themselves into a character's shoes when they're animated as compared to when they're real life actors. The level of detail and ability to reflect reality is so much easier to capture on a well trained actor's face than on an anime character, even one animated with the highest budget possible.

Junji Ito gets a pass because his horror isn't about the characters but instead places a focus on the situation and uses his strange art to reinforce the idea of unnaturalness which permeates through all his works. Personally I'm fucking terrified of Tomie and hellstar but it's precisely because they're so far from being human that it's hard to react normally.

Things like horror mysteries and murder cases don't really elicit the same reaction because they're mundane topics, and the art is usually too subpar to get someone invested in the feelings of the character.

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Animation isn't a bad medium for horror, but there just haven't been many directors who've stepped up to the plate that understand how to make a really good horror anime.

Horror works so well in manga due to the fact that it is YOU the reader, who is turning the page. You are at the edge of your seat and know some bad shit's gonna happen the second you turn the page. And when you do, it gets you. This simulates being in a scary situation IRL with you being right on the verge of confronting it.

Take this scene from I am a Hero for example. Turn the pages from 230 onward yourself and you'll see what I mean:
http://view.thespectrum.net/series/i-am-a-hero.html?ch=Volume+01&page=230

This guys goes more into detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIIA6QDgl2M&t=16s

>>153713991
>The level of detail and ability to reflect reality is so much easier to capture on a well trained actor's face than on an anime character, even one animated with the highest budget possible.

Well that depends on who's animating it. It's possible to capture those facial expressions. And it's also a matter of building proper tension and atmosphere.

Take these scenes for example:
>>>/wsg/1553825
>>>/wsg/1553818

>>153713250
Dragon Head would make a great adaptation

>>153713250
None of the anime you listed is horror though.

>>153713991
>muuhh realism
Horror in anime tends to be shit but that's not the reason.

Japan is only good at atmospheric horror, not so much actually scaring you, but more so of the anticipation.

>>153713991
I disagree. I think anime really can scare you or instill a sense of fear when done right.

I remember being VERY unsettled when I watched this scene from Akira when I was a kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_1qRVdIBs

>>153714717
Well that's a good thing. Atmospheric horror and instilling a sense of dread and fear are much more clever and enjoyable than cheap jumpscares from
B-rate horror flicks that Hollywood shits out. Hollywood equates startling the audience and making them scream at a scene with what it means to make good horror.
The best horror focuses on instilling a sense of fear through the atmosphere.

>>153714002
I am a Hero does a good job at making realistic settings, but everyone in the story except for a few people are just plain stupid.

>>153714873
But that's the thing, the japanese can set up a scenario and make it work for a while, but 90% of the time it ends up falling flat on its face and ending in nothing.

It isn't enough just to be creepy, it needs payoff.

>>153715166
It's kinda the point that people are foolish in I am a Hero. Do you expect ANYONE to act rational in a time of crisis?

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>>153713674
the only reason why midori is scary is because it relies purely on shock value, but when it hits the spot it does it damn well.

>>153715348
so it's just jumpscares and gore, that's not how you do scary horror.

Franken Fran adaptation when?

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>>153715223
Fair enough. I just think that Japanese animators need to experiment more with Horror in anime in order to really make it work. There are a few good examples of horror from anime, but not enough.

Meanwhile the Japanese have mastered horror in basically every other medium.

Live-action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c80-nyjP9Hg
Video games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJNGrLTOKGU
Manga: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rw-OaEsKyw

>>153715584
>japanese
>master anything other than dying out

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>>153714002
Same thing in Higurashi when you first read the manga, I was not expecting a full page of pissed of Rena

>>153716102
VN does a better job.

>>153716102
>>153716143
Was the Higurashi anime good or did it suck?

>>153716174
It doesn't compare to the VN at all. It's mediocre at best.

>>153715734
>>>/tv/

>>153716238
This.

VNs do the best job at horror, Saya no Uta, Higurashi, Umineko, The House in Fata Morgana.

I think the music has a lot to do with it, along with the ability to add random background sounds to make it all the more creepier. Japan does a good job at making things creepy and unsettling.

>>153713713
The thing that's really scary here is how badly you butchered the English language, holy shit.

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>>153713559
Souichi's stories start off funny because Souichi himself is a bratty little sperglord that his family can't take seriously and just assume he's going through a phase.

But they later get scary because his family got way too used to his erratic behavior, which led him to keep pushing the envelope further and further until he ends up becoming a real monster.

Souichi himself is a frightening character because he shows how fucked up people can become when they're not properly disciplined and allowed to push the envelope more and more.

Then he impregnates the demon model who gives birth to the little hellspawn seen in OP's pic.

>>153717727
But you do know that was a dream, right?

>>153718612
True.

I feel like a lot of 'horror' anime have trouble setting the right atmosphere because they make everything look like a generic anime, and then throw in stupid edge and spooky stuff. They're trying to have their cake and eat it too by appealing to the "Oh she's muh waifu" crowd, and gorefags, but end up in this wet-fart middleground.
Which is funny because animation and comics are able to completely warp reality whereas 3d is handcuffed to reality and uncanny valley CG. Ito at least understands that he doesn't have to be a slave to realism, I just wish someone could give him a better script to work with.

Attack on Titan was pretty successful and I'd say it implements a lot of stuff from the horror genre.

>>153713674
Didin't find it scary, just sad more than anything

>>153719319
Ito could've had a better script to work with if Konami didn't cancel Silent Hills and fire Kojima.

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>>153713454

>>153721677
>Kojima
>better writer
I mean, I love the guy, but come on, he is the master of convoluted story and writing.

>>153719399
SnK is more Kaiju. I don't think Kaiju really counts as horror.

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Japan is pretty bad at building the thrilling / horror atmosphere. Sure they can draw, animate or even film some guro stuff and snuff with people getting butchered and tortured but that's not really "horrifying", it's just disgusting and cruel.

West is far ahead with horror brilliance such as the Alien and other works.

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>>153715584

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>>153717727
>Then he impregnates the demon model who gives birth to the little hellspawn seen in OP's pic.

>you'll never land a qt like this

>>153723374
best post itt

>>153713310

This.

>>153713464

Isn't scary, doesn't make me feel disturbed. Horror shouldn't just be jump scares either, that's shit tier. But anime is already inhuman and 'incorrect' so the unsettling nature of a good horror is already lost. The OP image is just some random monster eating a leg, that's not horrifying to me.

>>153724651
>But anime is already inhuman and 'incorrect' so the unsettling nature of a good horror is already lost.
I understand what you mean by this, but at the same time I reject that you can't be unsettled by inhuman and incorrect styles.

>>153723374
The West has better horror movies while Japan has better horror games.

>>153723374
I think the Japanese horror is more subtile and more psychological. It's not merely about surviving but also all that crazy shit.

Also, different cultures find different things scary.

>>153713250
I've read all Ito's work and I set myself up for disappointment.

>>153724962

It's drawn. 99% of anime is incorrect and inhuman. People are horribly disfigured in many hundreds of manga I read, so slapping a little blood or reaction face on to things I don't view as human in the first place isn't going to be unsettling for me. Within the story they may be human, but they sure as hell don't look it so trying to go for that sudden reveal won't work.

Think of those gifs that start out looking at a characters back, as the camera approaches they turn around revealing a disfigured or inhuman face, a simple denial of expectations. You just get used to it and expect it, so the horror is lost. It's all atmosphere, if you're expecting it the reveal isn't much of a reveal.

Manga as well just loose movement and audio which help with the immersion and atmosphere.

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You guys think it would be better or worse if Japan tried adapting Western horror stories?

I mean I haven't seen a Clive Barker adaptation that wasn't good (except for movie Rawhead Rex's shitty design), but would it find its audience among the easterners, too?

>>153725847
>psychological
And here in lies the problem, Japanese Psychology is so far up its own ass, damn near everything that touches it with a ten foot pole smells of rancid shit. Think of any anime that tries to go 2deep4u and just comes off as pretentious Eastern rambling.

>>153726278
Well, yeah. The artstyle is abstracted on the page/animation, you just need to put yourself into their world. Once you accept the baseline of what the world is supposed to look like, deviations from that can be unsettling.
That's not to say that it /just/ works, it needs a good writer/artist to create the necessary tone to where the viewer will accept it.
Just look at Gakkou Gurashi, and how much less effective the story is when it's animated compared to the manga.

You think japan will ever be able to match this level?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_k2w2dQ_Z8

>>153713250
the Shigurui anime has a great atmosphere, worth watching for fans of horror

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>>153725431
>The West has better horror movies while Japan has better horror games.

Silent Hill series is brilliant, but the rest - not so much.

I like the way Japan works with Western themes like Berserk or From Software with their Soulsborne games.

>>153726291
>I mean I haven't seen a Clive Barker adaptation that wasn't good (except for movie Rawhead Rex's shitty design), but would it find its audience among the easterners, too?

I'm reading Clive's blood books now and they are pretty meh. Reminds me about Tales from the Crypt. I was a big fan of his Hellraiser movies when I was young but then after I've read a couple of his books he really fell off pretty hard. He's always swimming on the surface unable to truly develop his story and dive deep into madness.

>>153727127
I'm not sure Shigurui can be considered horror, but the disgust, violence, suffering and monstrosities in the manga left me in awe. Very unique and skilled manga, one of my favorites.

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>>153727142
Most of Hellraiser isn't from him.

He actually remarks how interesting he finds how hardcore his fans are and how 90% of Hellraiser lore is fanmade.
Like he admits that it's not exactly how he would have written it (it being Hellraiser II and onward) but he does love the movies and does love the way it was expanded into this other dimension of dark creatures of Order who follow the great Leviathan to teach lessons of pain/pleasure etc. etc.

>>153727216
have you watched the anime?

I wouldn't call the manga horror as it is much more straightforward in its presentation, but the creative direction of the anime definitely skews in the direction of horror

>>153713250

Because cute girls. You want more cute girls, right?

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>>153728290
Can't ever have too many cute girls.

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>>153726291

I can see a lot of Clive Barkers more longform works being well adapted to anime. Imajica, Weaveworld and The Great and Secret show are all wonderfully surreal dark fantasy and would adapt beautifully into the medium of animation.

For more pure horror, no? Creature features live and die by their gruesome special effects, and would come across as far too stylized in anime. Psychological horror can be done, but how many directors today are talented enough to pull it off? Even straightforward adaptations of Junji Ito into anime don't work, as judged by the terrible way Gyo turned out. Bible Black makes attempts at pure horror occasionally, and just comes across as totally campy.

Anime is not well suited for horror. It lies too far up the uncanny valley.

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>>153728566
Blah blah anon, no one caaaaares, all we want is "deep" "thoughtful slice of life anime like DRAGON give us your fucking money you jap otaku sheep MAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Actually I'm trying to think of a 'horror' anime that was actually scary

'Shiki' wasn't bad but it was disjointed as FUCK and got really dumb towards the end with the 'BUT HOOMANS ARE THE REAL MONSTERS' crap

Another was absolutely hilarious dispite trying to be scary

xxxHolic had some creepy parts but wasn't exactly meant as a horror series

And I won't even mention what happened with the Corpse Party debacle

Any series that actually go for the scary and actually land it?

>>153728951
An argument could be made for Alien 9, I suppose.
At the very least it succeeding in creating an oppressive, weird, kind of paranoid atmosphere.

>>153728951

wait corpse party got an anime?

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>>153728951
Parasyte - The Maxim was pretty good.

It slowly got less scary, I think cause you got more and more used to the creatures.
Which is kinda clever considering like the viewers, the main guy got desensitized and colder through the show as well; but I doubt it was going for that symbolic comparison.

>>153729309
Never been a fan of body horror, it's gross. But I guess that's the reaction they're going for

What if they went for childs horror?

Like imagine japan's answer for Tales from the Crypt or Goosebumps.

Hell some anons were talking about Clive Barker. What about an anime adaptation of The Thief of Always?

>>153729426
Bummer, since logically body horror should shine best in animation or comics/manga.

I mean you never have to worry about your designs aging like they would under a Live Action CG effect or expensive & clucky animatronic.
All you'd need is a good artist and passable concept.

And hell most anime shows cost nothing compared to movie budgets. And comic/manga budgets? IDK why horror (or at least body horror) doesn't show around the LCS more often.

>>153729248
yes, a 4 episode OVA. Let's just say it didn't turn out as well as the game

>>153715416
How about you watch it instead of blindly bashing it?

>>153729432
I don't honestly know but I can't imagine it would be that great. Someone already said it in this thread, that transition from print to animation is pretty hard to do.

I think the really unsettling stuff can be the deliberate juxtaposition of 3D and 2D though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFREs4GaJVU
For a comedy horror Courage the Cowardly Dog did a pretty good job

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>>153729525

Anime as a style just doesn't particularly lend itself to horror.

I'm generalizing a lot here, but in terms of visual response, the most horrifying things exist in the uncanny. That is, they resemble the familiar, but twisted or distorted in some way. Realism in shading, lighting and texture all heighten this sense of discomfort, because the detail helps draw attention to and cement the uncomfortable changes in form.

Anime is the complete opposite. The history of the medium draws much of its influence from cartooning. The philosophy behind anime is the opposite; you are trying to portray a complete form with the minimum of detail. Since much of the illustration is abstracted away, strangeness in form and proportion are not nearly as arresting to the mind.

Junji Ito is a fantastic artist because he can ride both styles so well. His normal characters can have cartoonish features to emote their feelings to the reader, but when he needs to portray horror, it is rendered in the most unsettling realism he can bring.

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>>153730439
I meant to post this earlier when I was talking about Gakkou Gurashi, but since it's relevant to what you said, I'll post it now.

>>153727127
Shigurui isn't horror. It's just very graphic and gruesome. But it's not horror.

>>153729309
Parasyte was very much body horror that was disturbing and frightening, but not exactly shit your pants scary.

>>153729432
I'd rather anime try to make their own version of The Twilight Zone.

>>153729432
doesn't kaidan restaurant and ghost stories count?

>>153730804
I'm curious to hear your reasons why you don't consider it horror.

To me, it comes down to the atmosphere. The way it utilizes pacing, the score, the tension, the art direction and how light is used, all scream out horror to me. It's a samurai tale told through the lens of horror direction. The brutality of it is just the icing on the cake

>>153730960
I'm trying to think of ways to do anime tropes with episodic ending twists all Twilight Zone style.

Like the episode is about this boy and girl who are in love and play this MMO together,
but everyone assures them that it could never work out in real life because everyone lies online.
And then the twist is they were being honest and even looked/acted like their videogame counterparts, and they get the sad end.