Let's settle this once and for all

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>>153697863
/thread

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>>153698314
nice bait faggot, I'll bite

>Fate zero
>last battle is just two masters manly brawling
pic related

Also, anyone that thinks Fate/zero was better than the original VN is either a secondary or just a stupid edgy chuuni faggot.

PROVE
ME
WRONG

oh.... right
you cant

>>153698314
>ufotable will never do cooking scenes with Sakura and Illya
>zero is to blame
Life isn't worth living anymore.

>>153697863
FSN is for otaku. Zero is normie-accessible. I like Zero better but FSN is stupid fun.

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>>153697863
Grand Order

All Fateshit is equally garbage.

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SABER

>>153698570
>*SEIBA

>read FSN not long after translation, no voice patch yet
>think it's mostly bland with a few highlights, much like Porkslope
>watch Zero
>one of my favorite shows that year

>>153697863
Zero is overrated garbage.

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>mfw still waiting for HA voice patch

>>153697863
I don't know

Don't ask hard questions

HF>UBW>0>>>>Fate

>>153697863
Do you like banevading because you constantly repost and reposting is a bannable offense.

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>>153697863
zero was perfection until they added this

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>>153698570
SEIBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The recent UBW is the best of the lot.
Everything else is kinda trash.

>>153698314
even if you are trolling i still agree with everything on that list

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>>153698570
Shirou.

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Zero has this badass, your move.

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"He wished for the happiness of everyone, for his sake i'll kill all of you"

>>153698944
What's wrong with the plane? There's no reason that Gil shouldn't have it. The only thing wrong with the dogfight sequence was that Gil somehow lost the plane, actually. Vimana moves at the speed of thought; Gil can't both be surprised by Berserker's attack and fail to dodge it at the same time.

>>153697863

Zero appeals more to a younger demographic thanks to it's dark and gritty atmosphere and the simple, easy to understand introduction of some adult themes in the narrative.

Stay Night appeals to a more mature audience for it's deconstruction of the common battle shounen tropes that people who have been in touch with anime for several years are familiar with.

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>>153700868
>Vimana moves at the speed of thought

Thats why he couldnt dodge. No one was thinking when they added that scene. Get your faggy airplane out of my sword fighting anime

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My wife is the cutest

>>153697863
FGO is the best though

f/z because it's mature with adults, for adults.

>>153698427
>Liking Shounenshit
Fuck off Narutard

Zero is anime kino

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>>153701170
>your wife
You mean MY wife

>>153701164
The Fat Controller laughed. You are in the wrong franchise.

No part of Fate is a "sword fighting anime".

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>>153701272
Nigger I will fight you

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>>153701278
Then what is this?

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>>153701342
Bring it on

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>>153701426
Just look at how cute she is

>>153701164
Meh I have to agree here, the airplane thing is lame as fuck.

At least with riders I understand them having chariots or magical beasts but Vimana is so bad.

It's basically what started the whole retarded Fate stuff we have now in FGO and Extella with ayy lmaos and whatnot. It takes away the mystical aspect from the series and just turns it into generic powerlevel otaku series.

>>153701410
A largely irrelevant fight between an improper servant and an improperly-summoned servant

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>>153701470
I know anon

>>153701495
Vimana belongs to Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh is the character who possesses the most extreme extravagance in the entire franchise. It would be more bizarre if he did not have it.

And hating something because of what it may or may not cause or have caused in other medias is incorrect.

>>153697863
One is shounen, the other is seinen. Watch out for the VNfags though, they are very defensive and very delusional.

>>153701758
>it's a "dipshit redditor thinks that manga demographics are genres and apply to everything" episode

>>153697863
For all the shitposting, FSN actually managed the philosophical themes and the development of its character better while being as bloody but emphasising less in it.
To me it seems Fate Zero just has a better cover.

>>153701685
They rushed through casters death to bring us a sumerian prince flying a hindu ufo versus a knight on a fighter death from absolutely nowhere. it could've been a lot more poetic and interesting, but instead we got some fucking aerial combat that amounted to nothing

>>153701794
>n-nuh uh target demographics don't apply to my VN!

Retard. The VN is blatantly aimed at (early-ish) teenagers, the themes and style are blatantly targeting that demographic, from the clear-cut "hero vs villains" to the "hero gets stronger by the power of *some emotion* and defeats the undefeatable villain". Adding shitty sex scenes doesn't change the themes.

>>153701758
Ironically, the shounen has more mature characters than the seinen in this case.

>>153697863
I know /a/ loves the hating Zero meme because normies liked it, but I liked it a lot as well

>>153701887
>They rushed through casters death to bring us a sumerian prince flying a hindu ufo versus a knight on a fighter death from absolutely nowhere
so you haven't read the FSN VN or the 0 LN

Reminder that Hollow Ataraxia is the best entry in the franchise

Anime never

>>153701895
Don't forget how Zero at least tried to have decent philosophical questions while Stay night dropped that super quick.

>"I come from the future, your actions will lead you to ruin, stop that"
>"NUH UH MUH FRIENDS MUH HERO MUH KINDERGARTEN MORALITY MOFUGGA"
>repeat 20 times
>"Ok I accept that you are right. Even though I have literally seen the future consequences of your actions, your obstinate clinging to the views of a 5 year old have changed my mind."

Just going by the already created anime. Zero shits all over the other Fate material. At this point I'm pretty sure that it was the exception to the rule of the series not being all that good.

>>153701974
s'why mind of steel is the only true ending

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>>153701901
Relevant

>>153701909
Its not that /a/ hate Zero because normies liked it, but rather Zero brought in a lot of "muh edgy mature" /v/edditors and we end up with threads like this every other day. There's nothing wrong with liking Zero, its a good conclusion to the franchise. The UBW anime made it worse, because it brought in shitty posts like >>153701974

>>153701895
And do you think zero is intended for mature audiences?
Because it is not, zero is intended for those early-ish teenagers you who already finished FSN

>>153701996
There's Strange fake, that's made by the same guy who made Baccano, which seems to be shaping up to be really good. As far as Nasu's stuff goes, it's pretty shit, he should just give the general outline and let other writers handle it.

>>153702020
>pic
>the characters have flaws that correspond to their upbringing and aren't as rational and impartial as me sitting in my chair, therefore they are bad

VNfags are so delusional they can't even tell what makes something aimed at different audiences.

Take the VN, make the female characters male. Would it still be as popular?

Take Zero, make the female characters male. Would it still be as popular?

Answers:
VN: No.
Zero: Yes

Pretty handy way of telling if something is actually good or not.

>>153702060
He's clearly an ideas person and is better at coming up with concepts than he is at making a story work. If anything Zero was held back by being a direct prequel to F/SN.

I did play one route of Tsukihime once and it did come off as decent. At least I liked it a good deal more than the KnK anime aside from episode 5 which was mostly due to the action.

>>153701974
>MUH FRIENDS
Never even mentioned.

>>153702103
>hurr hurr muh demographics

Its a sequel secondary-kun. Zero is a tragedy because once you've read Stay Night you saw the irony in the characters' actions when compared to what happened in the 5th war.

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>>153697863
Fate/Prototype is the only good thing to come out of this series.


>>153702020
>expecting an omnipotent wish granting device to solve your problems is "childish"

Kerry didn't know any better.

>>153702246
>characters
>plural
Arturia is the only case to which this applies, unless you're misunderstanding the word 'irony'

I enjoy Zero, but what you've said is patently untrue

>>153702299
He was given some magic training, the number 1 rule taught is equivalent exchange (even Shirou know this, and Kerry was his only teacher). There ARE no such thing as omnipotent wish granting device by default because of that

>>153702306
Kiritsugu as well. Take the scene under the church (Fate route's climax). When faced with being given the grail directly from Kirei, Shirou rejected it even without knowing it was corrupted. Kiritsugu on the other hand chased after a so called wish granting device. There are similar parallel in Heaven's Feel as well.

>>153702126
Take Zero, make the male characters female, would it still be popular?

No, it wouldn't

Popular doesn't mean good anon, that's a fallacy.

>>153702397
>When faced with being given the grail directly from Kirei, Shirou rejected it even without knowing it was corrupted
As I recall, it wasn't that he rejected the grail as "the grail" but as the fulfillment of what Kirei essentially demanded was his wish. If everybody around him had magically died at that time and the grail appeared, I'm sure he would have been able to come up with something.

But I get your point about Kiritsugu.

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>>153699474
That scene broke me and my brothers in half, so much so that I had to read up the wikia and spoil myself on Last Episode before reading it.

>>153701917
You got me. But just because its covered properly in one medium doesn't exempt it from being poorly executed in another

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>>153702497
My point wasn't about poor execution. It's that, in the first route of the VN, Caster shows up after being ominously teased for most of the game, threatens Shirou and Saber, and is then almost instantly killed by Gil having done nothing.

That, and the fact that the dogfight is like 5 pages total in the LN.

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>>153702621
delet this

>>153698314
you can't /thread your own post, faggot.

Having said that, I'll do it for you.
>>153698314
/thread

>>153698427
One is a LN/anime, the other is a VN.
Apples & oranges.

>>153702397
Not a typemoonfag but iirc the grail did have the power of wish granting when it has not been contaminated yet.

>Shirou rejected it even without knowing it was corrupted. Kiritsugu on the other hand chased after a so called wish granting device.
And? Are you suggesting Shirou is a better character than Kiritsugu? This is a bait, right?

>>153702621
>caster takes the spotlight in UBW
>gets absolutely fucking destroyed and shat on in the other two routes

what did they mean by this

>>153703117
>Are you suggesting Shirou is a better character than Kiritsugu?
If he was, I didn't notice it myself. I'd have dismissed it outright if I had seen that that was his point.

It's easy.

Zero is much better as an anime.

Stay Night is much better as a visual novel.

>>153703117
No. The power of "wish granting" is a sorcery trait of the Einzbern, the ability to skip the process and get to the result. The grail for all intent and purposes is a giant, effectively limitless source of energy. The corruption points things toward violence, with an uncorrupted grail all you have is the power to achieve something, you still need the method.

>Shirou vs Kiritsugu

The point is that the parallel, thus irony is drawn between the two character's decision and decision making process. Not that who was the better character. A similar comparison is made with Rin in regard to Heaven's Feel. She couldn't kill her sister, compared to Tokiomi giving away his daughter because he couldn't keep it in his pants (EXTRA Rin is SN Rin's niece, her mother is Tokiomi's lovechild with an european woman after he got married to Aoi)

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>if caster wasn't with kuzuki we would've gotten a caster H scene in hollow ataraxia

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>>153703378
God dammit, stop making me sad

>she'll never step on you and call you "boya"

>>153697863
Zero is something I could show to my friends.
FSN isn't.

>>153703713
Then get better friends that won't judge you for your interest you imbecile

>>153703456
If she was given a route, she probably would of turned into a little girl.
Japan has shit taste that way

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>>153703816
I like Medea Lily too, but come on, ara ara MILF Medea is obviously the best version of her

What the fuck Japan

And she's adorable when she's flustered, too

>>153703766
No you faggot, Zero is just more easy to understand.

>>153703713

what did he mean by this?

People still fall for this thread?
You don't even have to have lurked for long to know this is bait.

>>153701974
Read the VN if you don't understand why Shirou did what he did. The anime did a poor job conveying it.

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How do I marry her?

>>153698314
>pholosophical

>>153697863
Why not just enjoy both?

>>153703879
FZ is much easier to get into for normalfags and casual anime fans, while FSN is not. It's literally inspired by the Nolan Batman trilogy.
Doesn't make one inherently better than the other, it's just the truth.

>>153701022
>Zero appeals more to a younger demographic thanks to it's dark and gritty atmosphere

This is what every teenager says these days. That watching lighthearted content makes them more mature.

>>153705187
>It's literally inspired by the Nolan Batman trilogy.
Fate/Zero LN:
Original run
December 29, 2006 – December 29, 2007

Only Batman Begins was out at the time, and Fate Zero's story had been completed in 2005, anyway.

>>153705310
He's probably referring to the batcave from the anime.

>>153705310
The anime, baka. Pretty sure the director explicitely stated the inspiration, and it's pretty obvious from the direction and the final fight anyway.

>>153705331
>>153705334
Ah. Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that anything else in the anime was like that; it's just one scene.

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What did Fate/Zero mean by this?

I'd play the VN if I could ever get it to run correctly on my PC
I honestly don't like the VN format but hopefully FSN is worth it and I haven't gotten meme'd on

>>153698944
Vimana was fine, Ufotable just shit the bed with their horribly mediocre OST for the series.

https://youtu.be/5tN_XBJxlXY

Zero.

>>153706867
did you change system locale to japan?

>>153706936
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and I don't know what changing the system locale means

>>153706819
Kayneth loves the bulge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBZLd66Bow

>>153706867
>hopefully FSN is worth it and I haven't gotten meme'd on
Short answer: it isn't

Long answer: it's an immense timesink in which you might find some enjoyment but, ultimately, the true purpose in playing it has become gaining the ability to bat back at people in Fate threads with obscure and insubstantial lines drawn out of that ancient text.

>>153697863
Zero hands down. Unlike the VN it isn't utter garbage

>>153698314
>faggot ass servants
Is that why they wreck their FZ counterparts in every imaginable scenario?

>>153707111
just cause you stronk doesn't mean u aint a faggot

>>153707111
Full-sanity Gil wins against every other servant in both wars with no difficulty.

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>>153707064

>>153707183
>Full sanity Gil
No fanfics allowed.

>>153707183
>Lol Avalon

>>153701895
The 18+ porn game was "blatantly aimed at early-ish teenagers"?

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>>153707214

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>>153707220
Bite off your tongue and swallow it, puppet.

>>153707323
>implying nonblackened gilgamesh is sane

>>153707286
Well, he's not wrong
It only got 18+ because porn scenes which were forced in anyways

>>153707005
no i'm not being sarcastic. 9 times out of 10 that is the solution to not being able to run a vn.

>>153707286
Having sex scenes doesn't make it more mature.

That being said, strawmaning the themes into ""hero vs villains" to the "hero gets stronger by the power of *some emotion* and defeats the undefeatable villain"" is expected for a Zero secondary.

>>153707368
喋るな ゴールポスト王

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It's hard to believe /a/ has become this overrun with crossboarders and secondaries. Guess this is to be expected with Nasu selling out, even more, and going all in on mobage trash.

>>153707509
>he thinks his shitty VN is any good
Hahahahahahahahahaha

>>153707509
>/a/ - Anime & Manga
>source material is not /a/ - Anime & Manga
>complaining about "secondaries"
>>>/jp/

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>>153697863

>>153707576
>>153707609
Do you realize how out of place you look when you try to shitpost a topic that has been never ending on /a/ for over a decade?

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>>153707509
What do you expect from neo/a/.

I don't even discuss TM stuff here thanks to all the normies/secondaries in this board. Play GO, come to /vg/ and discuss TM stuff there.

>>153707665
>Play GO,
Fuck no. You should be ashamed of supporting any mobile cancer.

>>153707014
Or, you know, you could enjoy it for what it is.
You're exactly the kind of person who went into it with the mindset that you wanted to prove people wrong, or you decided years later that it was shit.

>>153707665
>Play GO, come to /vg/
Fucking Christ, dealing with GOfags is even worse than secondaries and Zerofags. You're the newfag if you play that trash. Literally ruining Type-Moon with your waifufagging.

>>153707415
How do I change the system locale? Is it something ingame or on the actual OS?

>>153707704
>went into it with the mindset that you wanted to prove people wrong
About what? I have no will of my own.

>you decided years later that it was shit
I read it one month ago and have been saying this since.

I went into it because every post insists that the VN is oh-so-grand, and that it makes the adaptations appear pale imitations by comparison. Both were lies.

>>153707849
OS

>>153707509
>crossboarders
This insult is getting about as trite as /pol/ and reddit

>>153707879
FUCK
This probably isn't worth it then, I need that PC for work and it's already fugged

UBW anime it is

>>153707850
Right, so yes. You decided to read it to berate people for liking it.

>I have no will of my own
What did he mean by this.

>>153707980
>What did he mean by this.
He's Shirou IRL.

>>153707970
Just use a virtual PC or something. Don't waste your time with that awful adaptation.

>>153707980
>You decided to read it to berate people for liking it
No. I read it because I was told that it was good and thus moved toward that which bore the name "good". Your bias is clear whereas I have no motives.

>>153708064
Meh, that's a lot of work. Fuck it, maybe I'm come back to it someday

>>153707646
>fatefags think they're well respected
The VN is pretty widely regarded as poorly written, with its only value being waifus and cool designs

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How's the FSN manga? What route does it follow?

>>153708117
>The VN is pretty widely regarded as poorly written
Going to need a source for that.

>>153707970
it's literally a couple of clicks. super easy anon come on

>>153702020
That was deep, in some sense though most people have unrealistic expectations because that's just because they're human I don't blame any Kiritsugu for going to a supposedly "omnipotent wish granting artifact" with the expectations that it would be genuinely omnipotent

>>153708117
Poor translation maybe.
The VN's plot and characters are pretty fucking well regarded by everyone other than secondaries.

>>153708341
>The VN's plot and characters are pretty fucking well regarded by everyone other than secondaries.
There's that word again!

>>153708267
And that's fine, Zero's characters being manchildren makes them much more interesting characters than otherwise. It's when Zero secondaries try using "more adult=better writing" that causes backlash.

>>153708380
Which word? The one that signifies people who actually haven't read it, thus leaving their opinions with 0 significance?

>>153708492
A puppet using a strawman argument. Interesting, but not amusing.

>>153702439
Who the fuck would want to watch King Arthur be a man

>>153708341
>he didn't like the VN
>h-he must be a secondary!
Fatefags truly are the worst cancer

>>153708128
An absolute shit mix of Fate and hackneyed parts of other routes. Art is horrendous. Read at your own risk.

>>153708681
I stand with you.

>>153708681
>>153708733
Tell me, who's the final character Shirou realizes he likes?

>>153703378
Why hasn't this made into a doujiin yet wtf.

>>153708801
You have already made a forceful presupposition in posing that question.

>>153708844
So, are you a secondary or not?

>>153708681
The whole conversation was about the general opinion on Fate, I just said Fate's writing is indeed well regarded by people who've read and finished it, despite memes forced by secondaries.

>>153708864
Goalpost shifting.

>>153707762
>Literally ruining Type-Moon with your waifufagging.
hahahahahahaha

>>153708460
Yeah I can agree, considering a lot of the characters are self-centered, they are hardly "adult" but still interesting.

>>153707665
>I don't even discuss TM stuff here thanks to all the normies/secondaries in this board.
>Play GO,

Bait equivalent of Ea. Not subtle in any way but it doesn't matter because it will get you anyway.

>>153708942
>FGO
hahahahahahaha

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This thread really convinces me that the majority of zerofags are underage and normalfags.
Truly pathetic.

>>153708618

that is why Fate Prototype exists. It is discarded, bad ideas. Thank god it never came to be.

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>>153709113
>Kotomine just being racist against yellow monkeys and Berserker's Master was a bad idea
You're right.

>>153703816
>>153703456
Shouldn't you be glad a retard like Shirou didn't get to fuck her at least

>>153698827
HF>FATE>UBW>>>>>O