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>tfw you realize that fan reaction to the series ruined End

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>tfw you realize that fan reaction to the series ruined End of Evangelion
>and people haven't changed, and the fan reaction to Rebuild 3 will ruin Rebuild 4

why can't you guys just understand?
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>>153677989
If you mean Anno being sent hate mail, that was mostly a myth. He did get some, but he got a lot more fans thanking him for creating the show (Including a kid who related to Shinji)
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>>153677989
You seem to be missing the point, the Rebuilds were made to print money and they succeeded in that goal.
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>>153678142
the film was ruined. anyone who doubts that is a fool. Show Shinji would never masturbate. Luckily that was prolly the only direct attack and swept away in five minutes.

umm, but yeah, the rebuild four was set up for amazingness, but if you faggots fucked it up, fuck you faggots for fucking it up. It's the same thing again. You didn't understand evangelion the series so you attacked, and now, you didn't understand evangelion the movie series so you attacked.

fuck you people are so dumb.
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>>153678332
>Show Shinji would never masturbate
He popped a boner in almost every episode
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>>153678332
>Show Shinji would never masturbate.
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>>153678419
honestly, to be a realistic kid, he shouldn't even know that trick at 14. he just passed the threshold where masturbation is even a thing boys can do, but it takes a while longer to figure out how to get it right. Personally, I lost my virginity first and then worked backwards to figure out how to do orgasms solo.
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>>153678332
>the film was ruined.
Fuck off. EoE was fucking great, especially when compared to the rebuild movies.
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>>153678535
I started masturbating since I was 12. I thought this was normal ;_;
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>>153678639
... well, whew. Sorry you didn't get to do it for the first time in a girl.
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>>153678583
The whole--

just forget it. I could type paragraphs, but you would never understand. If you understood evangelion, you wouldn't leave that comment.
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>>153678419
He popped one boner in the entire series, you dumb fuck
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>>153678332
>Shinji would never masturbate
Did you forget how he also almost kissed her in her sleep? Trauma pushed him over the edge, but he was always capable of crossing those lines. Now stop being retarded and trying to defend Rebuild.
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>>153678744
Misato gives the best orgasms, it's fine
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>>153678911
Dorsn't mean he wasn't jerking off
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>>153678953
>a dumb american thinks kissing is wrong episode

Pal, kissing is nothing. kissing is not a rape. kissing is a greeting in europe. it's literally just skin touching. it's a crime nowhere. there is no such thing as first degree kissing. you can kiss all you like and not go to jail. I have experienced unwarranted kisses and guess what? it's not a crime, it's just annoying, like unwarranted hugs.
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End of Evangelion was amazing. So was EoTV.

It didn't ruin anything.

>>153678332
Rebuild 3.33 was absolute garbage, and only garbage Asukafags and Kaworufags thinks otherwise. You ruined it all yourself, moron.
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>>153678837
What are you even angry about? Shinji's suffering? Because that's the whole point of the show
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Why did everybody, on /a/ at least, get so upset about shinji masturbating? Every 14 year old boy masturbates, and when you're a repressed 14 year old boy in a room with a naked girl and no one to catch you, well, you'd be an idiot not to take the opportunity. Sure it is a bit rude, but I at least expected /a/ to get it.
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>>153677989
Ever heard of reception? It's like very important in every aspect of the entertainment industry.
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>>153678837
I understand Evangelion, and EoE is absolutely great in nearly every aspect. I don't expect someone who likes 3.33 to actually understand that, though.

3.33 was made for people who hated NGE.
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>>153679149
>Why did everybody, on /a/ at least, get so upset about shinji masturbating?
No one got upset except this ONE retard ITT who thinks 3.0 was anything but shit. He doesn't get Evangelion, and never will.

The masturbation scene makes people go WTF because it's a really fucked up thing to do. It's supposed to comment on how Asuka fans treat Asuka, as just a sex relief doll.
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>>153679078
1: Shinji is japanese so take your euroshit out of here
2: Shinji wasn't greeting asuka he was going to make out with her
3: Making out with an unconscious person is a crime.
4: Fuck you Rebuilds are shite and so are you.
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>>153679124
>3 was garbage

uh-huh, yeah, you know, they said the same thing about episode 26. Truth is, they just were too stupid to understand. And now, again, they are too stupid to understand 3, and 4 will be worse off for it.
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>>153679078
>kissing it's literally just skin touching
so is somebody putting a dick in your ass
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>>153679217
when you directly attack the fans, you are through the looking glass.
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>>153679228
That person is probably a sexual offender
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>>153679231
No, they didn't. Stop making up fairytales. Who the hell are these "they" you're talking about?

3 is garbage, and how even dare you suggest otherwise?
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>>153679284
Then why do you like the Rebuilds then? They're an attack on Rei fans, whilst jerking off Asuka and Kaworu fans. We're way through the looking glass already.
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>>153679301
whew. pls do me a favour and post a pic of your drivers license with your name covered by your thumb because I need to see your age.
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>>153679231
The truth is you're dumb but you're too stupid to realize it.
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>>153679342
Reifag pls
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>>153679373
Are you bonkers? If you have some good reasons for your asinine and backwards opinion, now's the time to share it.

Because anyone with even a lick of understanding for Evangelion understands why the original series + EoE are great, but it takes an idiot to see why the Rebuilds are impossible to salvage.
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>>153679440
So that explains it, then. You're an Asukafag who hates EoE because it blew you the fuck out in '97, and now you've put all your bets into Rebuilds in hopes of a "redo"?

I'm sorry, not sorry Rei was a better and more liked character than Asuka.
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>>153679342
I don't pay attention to fanwankery that you idiots read into.
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>>153679563
Nice """argument""" there. Face it, you're the only one fanwanking, which is why you can't bring us anything solid.
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>>153679563
you still haven't addressed this: >>153679463 or this: >>153679425
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Reminder that Shinji is canonically heterosexual.
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>>153679463
I need to know your age, because it is very relevant. Please reveal it. Post your DL, with your name covered.
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>>153679602
is there something you would like?
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>>153679617
Show me yours, and I'll show you mine.
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>>153679617
Make an argument and address these: >>153679463 >>153679425
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>>153679665
no, you'll just show me yours or I won't bother with you any further.
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>>153679710
Make a fucking argument >>153679463 or this: >>153679425
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>>153679710
Correction: I won't bother with YOU any more. If you're not going to level with me, then how can I expect someone like that to also debate or share his opinion honestly as well?

Thanks for showing how much of a fucked up retard you are. Crawl back to evageeks where you belong.
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>>153679740
>>153679778

lmao buds please you know what you need to do and it's just post your age. why is this so hard for you?
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>>153679804
I see, still no fucking argument, which means: >>153679425 good day moron. Once again OP is a colossal faggot.
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LOOK AT HIM EVERYBODY >>153679804

LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH
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>>153677989
If the franchise wasn't strong enough to withstand its fans, it was never going to be anime's true savior anyway.
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>>153679877
Aw he is a qt
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>>153677989
The fuck are you on? Botht he series and EoE are great, thought they focus on different aspects.

The series focuses on the big picture, while hinting at some behind the scenes occurrences it never goes too deep trying to explain shit. There's also pretty heavy emphasis on characters and relationships. On the other hand, EoE focuses on the action and trying to make sense of the plot.

Both have their merits. However, rebuild is utter crap. They diluted the psychological approach of the series, further ruining the action with shit pacing (Eva without "the phone that never rang", or hedgehog dilemma is not Eva) and way too much gay piano scenes.

That said, I do want to see 4.44, just to see what ridiculous shit Anno comes up with, because it is clear he stopped giving a fuck a long time ago.
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>>153678535
What? I thought most people find out orgasm through masturbation. I started when I was 11.
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i wish i could say this had been nice, but honestly, i just hope mr. kaworu shows up to remind me shinji is canonically homosexual because even that is preferable. Anyway, adios, and have a pretty eva picture you dumb trolls.
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>>153679976
He's obviously an insane idiot who literally believes 14 year olds haven't touched themselves at age 14.
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>>153679961
don't waste time. OP is a moron. Who only spouted nonsense and never made an argument other than 'if you disagree with me you're dumb' and 'show me some form of ID because I'm too dumb so I need to ask for personal info in an anonymous board because I can't make a counter argument'.
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>>153680054
>>153679976
>millenials

no wonder drivers licenses aren't being posted, you idiots just watch porn at age 8, and once those balls drop you have at 'er
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i'm a reifag and i like the TV series, EoE, and all of the rebuilds except 1

however I hate NGEs fans

>guys the extracanonical material says aliens and...
>Clearly, it's ANNO CRITICIZING FEMINISM
>No, he's calling you a beta for liking asuka
>No he's calling YOU a beta for liking rei
>No he's calling himself a beta for existing
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>>153680140
>reifag
>liking 3

I'm the Queen of England and I approve of this message.
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>this thread

wtf
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>>153680140
>I like the TV series, EoE, and all of the rebuilds
you just gobble up anything that thrown at you if that's the case.
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>>153680284
Shinji is straight, fujo go to your yoi thread
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>>153680406
i'd actually prefer the faggots to what has been going on thus far.
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>>153680406
Kek, triggered closet case
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>>153679228
>making out with unconscious people is a crime

source pls
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>>153680543
Asurei is OTP! Rei will soothe Asuka's brash exterior. Asuka will encourage Rei to come out of her shell
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>>153680631
It's called sexual assault you stalker
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>>153680643
Asuka would pretend she wants to win the sex battle but would secretly relish losing and let Rei dominate her as her silky smooth thighs slid over her and pinned her down, helpless to get up with Rei's weight on her center of gravity, controlling her.
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>>153680690
nice source
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>>153680811
Here you go. Under "Physically helpless" https://sapac.umich.edu/article/95
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>>153679615
Not in rebuild, Anno made him completely gay and not attracted to girls anymore.
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>>153681073
who cares about what rebuild does?
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>>153681073
Please don't reply
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reminder that EVA is better than kaworu was just a filler character, bringing him out for a whole movie exposes his weakness as a poorly written character.

Evangelion is supposed to be dark and gritty, he does not belong int the story.
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>>153681178
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>>153681178
Thank you. Evangelion would truly be better without Kaworu.
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>>153681160
Why not?

>>153681136
Because its supposed to be the "real" EVA without budget constraints.
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>>153681178
>Evangelion is supposed to be dark and gritty
What I like about eva is the breadth of emotions it has, I wouldn't pigeonhole it into being 'supposed to be dark and gritty' But I agree with 'more kaworu = worse kaworu'
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>>153677989
25/26 is uplifting, EoE is soul-crushing. Still my favorite movie, but any time before I watch it I need to ensure everything is fine, like going on a very long trip. I like the message of 25/26 and the feel and atmosphere of EoE. The rebuilds are just junk, I'm still sorry I wasted time watching them.
Also expecting people to change just from watching Eva is kind of utopian. I'm sure it does happen to a very small number of people, but you're giving Anno too much credit. For one thing, there wouldn't be many Eva threads if that were true. There wouldn't be much waifu wars or shipping or endless arguments and personal attacks.
To assume people (should) change after seeing Eva implies they are either easily influenced by someone who doesn't bathe, or that the series is some sort of equivalent to Circle and Videodrome, but for real.
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>>153681273
>Because its supposed to be the "real" EVA without budget constraints.
Nope, it's supposed to be the 'real' EVA without artistic integrity constraints.
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>>153681273
Because
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>>153681073
He was heterosexual in the original, that's all what metters
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>>153681332
The lack of budget didn't change the ending. That's a myth. Stop spreading Evageeks-tier fanwankery
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>>153681444
That's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm saying Rebuild is crap and mocking the other anon's claim that 'It's the real EVA'.
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>>153681500
I misread the thread, sowwyyy
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>>153678332
>show shinji would never masturbate

um well show shinji never experienced the loss of someone he loved (one which he literally killed with his own hands), so obviously he's beyond fucked up in the head by this point, so it absolutely makes sense
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>>153681500
>>153681444
some /pol/ack told me that Kaworu was supposed to have a bigger role and Asuka a smaller role, and if the budget was bigger in NGE this would have happened.
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>>153681854
Huh
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>>153681854
There's a crumb of truth in that, but as a general life rule. don't listen to /pol/ too much.
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>>153681921
Basically someone told me that Rebuild is that possibility coming to life.
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>>153681823
What really got to me was he locked the door. His mind wasn't blanked out or something, he was perfectly aware that he was going to be this fucked up, disgusting thing, and he did it anyway.
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>>153681994
It's not really
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>>153682030
Its because he was a raging heterosexual and im happy for him
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>>153682030
do this*** be this also works, though
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>>153682030
>>153681823
Well after he found out that Kaworu was alive again, he still decided to choke Asuka in Hell's kitchen. Why didn't he decide to talk to Kaworu in that scene?
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>>153682197
Idk. Because Asuka is rejection of love and Kaworu is acceptance. If Kaworu accepted him he wouldn't start 3I
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>>153682306
Didn't he go to Asuka because he was scared of Kaworu, why didn't he go to him? Or is this a case of the budget constraints so they had to cut his scenes?
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>>153682489
er, I mean he was scared of Rei and Misato. fuck me.

spelling mistake.
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>>153682197
>Well after he found out that Kaworu was alive again,
>Didn't he go to Asuka because he was scared of Kaworu
What are you talking about?
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>>153682584
I mean he was scared of Misato and Rei, he could have went to Kaworu since he loved him. spelling mistake.
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>>153682667
You confused me about what you're talking about by mixing up Kaworu and Rei so just to be clear:
>he could have went to Kaworu
At which point of the story are you referring to here?
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>>153682759
I mean in hells kitchen, in instrumentality. He could have chosen to go to Kaworu, but he went to Asuka for help. Why?
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>>153682197
Kawru and shinji just weren't meant to be, Asuka is the person he really needed in the end. Kaworu always belonged to another higher plane of existence (like rei, which is why shinji could never be with her either), so the only logical compliment to his life is asuka, a fellow human. That's why he needed her in that scene
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>>153682998
'Cuz he's hetero
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>>153682197
>hell's kitchen
Where's my Gordon Ramsey/Eva crossover
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>>153682998
Asuka makes better coffee. She knows how he rikes it. Scalding.
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if only Kaworu made sweet love to Shinji we wouldn't have all these impacts and Shinji wouldn't kill all these people
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>>153682998
Because Rei & Kaworu are heralds or instrumentality at that point, Asuka shows up first because she's the most presing source of anguish in him (because of her dead and what he did to her), but later so does misato, and so does every other hang up about shinji's life all the way to his childhood in the sandbox scene. It's only after all that Kaworu & Rei (Lillith & Adam) can engage with him with a clear mind.
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>>153678639
>>153679976
It is normal. This guy has no idea what he was talking about.
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>>153683273
Asuka and Shinji never talked, how did Shinji cause so much anguish to her? This part is left unanswered.
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>>153683395
>Asuka and Shinji never talked
what do you mean they never talked?
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>>153683191
Shinji doesn't like dicks
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>>153683433
On a personal level they never talked, it was always about Eva when they talked.
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>>153683273
Aldo Asuka and Shinji’s relationship is at the core of EoE because they’re representative of the two individuals (amongst the kids) who understand each other the least. Asuka and Shinji are are the most harmful to one another among the children.
Their misunderstanding and then subsequent understanding of one another is what's shown in the movie. Doesn't mean they have to get romantic about it, EoE is foremost about love of oneself and the rejection of death and escapism
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>>153678535
I started when I was like 6 or something lmao. I know that that's a lot earlier than most, but you're kidding yourself if you think it's unusual for kids to be doing it at fucking 14.
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>>153683756
TMI
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>>153683756
It's obviously an autistic person, since he/she/it thinks 3.33 was good.
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>>153683542
She opened up a little bit after her call with her stepmom, and in ep 15 when she saw him playing cello, and some other miscellaneous moments, enough to imply there was some camaraderie at least as long as things were going good. But Asuka's whole identity is wrapped up in being a pilot, so it make sense most of their interactions would be around that.
>>153683605
>Asuka and Shinji are are the most harmful to one another among the children.
>Their misunderstanding and then subsequent understanding of one another is what's shown in the movie
>Doesn't mean they have to get romantic about it,
I agree, but I'd say the TV ending is the one that's most about loving one's self, I think EoE goes a little into learning to accept others. That's why TV ends with shinji accepting himself, while EoE ends with him laying next to the person most capable of hurting him.
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>>153683838
Oh yeah, good point
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>>153683273
>because of her dead
Uh, could you explain this?
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>>153683107
>SHINJI, GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT
>OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD
>voice cracks
>WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?
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>>153684086
Meant because of her death
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>>153684166
Still a better sad than Gendo
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>>153684391
Didn't he install cameras in his daughter's room?
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>>153684705
Did he? Even so I doubt he groped his wife/daughter.
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>>153684705
by the way, care to explain? Is he the dad from paranoia agent?
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>>153684856
>>153684949
YOU FUCKING DONKEYS!!!!!!!!!!!!! PANINI HEADS!!!!! GOD DAMN SHIT FUCK
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>>153684166
IT'S RAWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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>>153680208
Autism flows thru the 5th thread today. Everybody is tired already so it's just pure autism at this point.
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>>153678837
How about you stop being a self important Faggot and enlighten us then
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>>153683838
That's true, but that doesn't explain why she claimed Shinji does nothing but hurt her.
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>>153686142
Their relationship is shallow
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>>153686142
Because he's as frustrating to her as she is to him
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>>153677989
The funny thing is the endings are easily the best part but also the things to get "criticized" the most. The rest of the show had way more problems than any of the rest. I mean it was good on a mindless entertainment level but they kept shoving the core themes down your throat and were very unsubtle and heavy-handed many times. The endings actually portray the themes more succinctly and subtly.
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>>153686691
> I mean it was good on a mindless entertainment level
EVA always had pretty good characters and interesting themes, even without shoving them on people's faces like they started doing towards the end.
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>>153686300
Asuka is too cryptic to understand her reasoning, I don't blame Shinji too much.
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>>153687001
You can practically feel anno shoving it down your throat
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>>153681250
No but he does his job of being the one person to unconditionally love Shinji only for Shinji to kill him intentionally. Damn reaction though
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>>153689328
And that makes anno such a hypocrite: "Stop projecting your fantasies in these perfect waifus that aren't realistic, instead let me jerk off over how fucking perfect kaworu is and how unconditional his love is and how he gets such a perfect rapport with shinji on first sight and always knows the perfect thing to say to him'.
Kaworu worked in NGE because he showed up during shinji's lowest moment up to that point but just as quickly he saw that connection be betrayed by kaworu's nature. So you don't get to see the full extent of how big of a fucking mary sue he is. But you expand his role and suddenly he gets so fucking obnoxious.
Meanwhile Asuka and Rei are actually interesting portrayals of how an Extrovert and an Introvert could form real bonds with a guy like shinji but also the damage they can do to each other.
Shinji and Rei struggled to open up to each other until eventually they had a bond that unfortunately got damaged when he learned her nature and couldn't face her anymore. Same for Asuka, and how much they clashed at first until eventually they built some camaraderie. Which went to hell when all her shit hit the wall too. Those are real people. Kawuggu not at all.
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>>153690274
Kaworu doesn't fit in the tone of the story at all, it brings out the worst of his character when he's in it for most of the film.

Less Kaworu, the better.
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>>153690274
You don't know what a Mary Sue is. Yeah a tool who was manipulated into dying for no reason, that's really what I'd like to self insert into.
And he does have communication failure with Shinji "I don't know what you're saying!!!!" Which is why he doesn't get how he's hurting him by his death. The problem was the rship was too one sided. If Shinji actively tries to help him and get him to open up it saves his life
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>Decided to start watching the Rebuilds
>Currently watching 1.0
>Couldn't find subs online so I went with the dub
>Shinji's voice

Oh boy.
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>>153691172
Please, turn back!
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>>153690823
not all mary sues are self inserts, they just have to be wish-fulfillment.
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>how fucking perfect kaworu is and how unconditional his love is and how he gets such a perfect rapport with shinji on first sight and always knows the perfect thing to say to him'. Kaworu worked in NGE because he showed up during shinji's lowest moment up to that point but just as quickly he saw that connection be betrayed by kaworu's nature. But you expand his role and suddenly he gets so fucking obnoxious.
This is why after watching the TV Series + EoE you should move onto the most well-written of the Shinji-Kaworu fan-fics, and whenever necessary you can idealise it to your own preferences, even enriching it with reference to better artworks than Eva or Anime. Anything other than the original TV, EoE, and the Kaworu-Shin is just shitty art, plain and simple. In the first 2 items you've got the entirety of good Eva, a kind of romanticist sci-fi/hyperreality psychoanalysis. In the 3rd you limit it to the highest instance of that romantic/plantonic element by focusing on the most angelic/idealist content (their relationship) in Eva, unfortunately this has only been successfully done by amateur writers (probably because prose fiction is a bit more introverted).

I don't think anyone has the cultural or philosophical grounding, combined with the first-hand experience of hypersensitivity to really know about Kaworu. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Goodreads Kaworu knew something about it (from Kaworu's perspective?) but I doubt it. My guess is that he is really a pseudo-intellectual scribbler, I remember being blocked for something extremely innocuous.


>>>/mu/71125590
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>>153692586
Please translate this
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>>153692720
Despite the risk of being misunderstood, I'll try a >>>.

>the only Eva media worth consuming are the TV show, the EoE, and the KaworuShin fan fics (the few well-written ones)
>the first 2 are good if you like the sound of a romantic scifi psychological show
>the 3rd is good because it selects only the psychological peak of the show (the Ikari-Nagasa arc) and takes it to be its own self-contained universe (or, artwork)

>no one else probably realises this because you need to first have a contemptuous view of anime and bad art in general, so that you aren't easily lured in by trash like the rebuilds or manga
>you also need to have internal knowledge of the hypersensitivity on Ikari's level to be able to appreciate the warming affects of the Ikari-Nagasa relationship, and realise it is the absolute peak of the show
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The fact that so many people still name Neon Genesis Evangelion as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" anime ever only tells you how far anime still is from becoming a serious art.
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>>153692586
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>>153693319
>the only Eva media worth consuming are the TV show, the EoE, and the KaworuShin fan fics
>the KaworuShin fan fics
A delusional fujo, how cute.
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>>153692586
>>153693319
>>153693410
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Eva is the only good anime. GitS is probably better as a set piece. But the Ikari-Nagasu idea is probably the best miniature piece in the genre.

>>153693441
>>153692720
I feel it's more likely you lack the preconditions I mentioned, than that I'm lacking clarity. I mean, do you even know who the goodreadsfag is? How he used to post here? I'm not going to spoonfeed.
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>>153693410
how is this a fucking meme?
http://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/beatles.html
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>>153693319
If you're not trolling rec me some fic
You should read Irraishamase (Welcome) its an AU where Kaworu comes in earlier and it is absolutely peak
And then Maybe is good too but its angsty timeloop stuff which I don't like that much
Whisper is also good, Kaworu's only in it for like the latter part of the series though
Who is more fatigued? by petrivanne is my fav short fic
phollie, lady_daedalus and laryna6 write good stories
Ok I'm off to college bye
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>>153693547
>A delusional fujo, how cute.
No, I specifically said that it should only be the well-written ones. I also said that you need to have first-hand knowledge of Shinji's hypersensitivity and I would guess femininity precludes that.

>>153693587
>most famous critic in alternative/indie music pans the most acclaimed band in the mainstream
>>how is this a fucking meme?
There we go, spoonfeeding.

>>153693629
I haven't read any of them in ages so I can't give a secure recommendation. But some titles that survive in my memory include: 'phone that never rings' (someone seemed to reference it earlier), one where Shinji reluctantly plays a Bach cello movement after encouragement and then does collaborative composition for a class competition, ... I'm all out. I'd need to look through the postings on the main site for these.

Basically, the more reserved, supple and subtle the writer, the better. What with the complete garbage that makes up 99% of those communities.
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>>153677989

Fan reaction to the series MADE End of Evangelion.
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End of Evangelion was great.
period.
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Shinji is obviously bisexual, he showed attraction to Kaworu after all
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