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Would you be okay to have more actual gay couples in your anime?

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Would you be okay to have more actual gay couples in your anime? (no yuri/yaoi pandering)
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Only if the narrator points out that they will have a sad and hopeless future and that they are not going to heaven, every time they make out.
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>>153629816
>heaven
It doesn't exist son
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>>153629858
you dont exist.
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>>153629746
But that one was yuri pandering.
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>>153629962
who's talking to you then m8?
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>>153630037
an automated program.
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>>153630032
No it's not, yuri pandering is them not being a confirmed couple, and just being given hints and fanservice shots of them together
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There's already enough faggots in anime
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>>153629746
Eh, they're not exactly a couple. Just friends with benefits.
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>>153630102
nah
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>>153630111
I say straight girl kissing other girls count as pandering. Moe was legit but Mari was a slut.
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Yes. Straight people ruin everything, including anime
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>>153630189
actual confirmed faggots no.
You must be thinking about fojo pandering
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>>153629746
>>153630111
>it's not pandering if the characters are actually gay
That's now how it works, you fucking faggot. You're thinking of "baiting," not "pandering."
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>>153630308
still not pandering. Samurai flamenco didn't want to attract people just because of moe and marie
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>>153630102
>AI learned to embrace the lord, why haven't you?
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>>153630308
Well it's really said if gay characters existing is just "pandering". That's just sending the message that they're objects to be fapped over by people who see them as bad and unnatural and thus, exciting, and actual queer people don't exist
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>>153630518
sad***
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>>153630518
>sending the message that they're objects to be fapped over
But they are
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>>153630518
Anime is sending 24/7 the message that women are objects to be fapped over and you don't see women throwing a tantrum because of it (western SJW do, but they are fucking retarded and should be ignored).
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>>153630572
they're not
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Real and actual confirmed couples? Not really. I can't see how it would add anything significant to the show, unless it's a romance anime and focused around it.
If they're going to add extra fags I rather see them adapt more BL.
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>>153630646
it wouldn't add anything but it wouldn't take anything either.. I'm asking if you would be okay, not if you want it.
Like, would you mind?

BL is pandering so no.
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>>153630602
Prove it.
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Yes. Hetro couples are dull and not as exciting. Not saying they are bad. Same sex just has new dynamics that haven't been throughly explored enough yet. Soon, it'll be over saturated and become boring as well, but until then it's interesting and I want to see more.

Pic unrelated but best hetro dynamic.
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>>153630993
All anime is pandering retard.
It would in fact take, you'd be wasting precious screentime on characters that add nothing. Just focus on the plot then, I don't watch anime to identify with faggot or feel represented. Go watch american media if you need that.
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>>153630993
Most people would mind if they mind fujo/u-fag pandering.
Because yes, adding in a gay couple is automatically pandering.
I remember a manga I read once had a side yuri couple that just ruined the manga for me.
You're basically asking if people if they like homosexuality, and there is only two answers to that: yes or no.
If they answer yes then they're a fag or a tolerant SJW.
If they answer no then their a bigot /pol/tard.
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>>153629746
>not posting the ACTUAL gay couple from SamFlam
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>>153629746
I really really really miss SamFlam Thursdays.
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>>153631469
Don't make me post you-know-who, m8
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Test
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>>153631597
What.
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>>153629746
One of the most cancerous anime I've seen.
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>>153631049
I'm not excited by them but I don't mind them. I don't use them to fap
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>>153631114
it's the same thing though. It's just that they have the same sex. The dynamic can be the same
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>>153629746
>tongue kissing Moe directly after throwing up
Marie was a fucking cunt. Moe deserved better.

To answer your question. I'd like more yuri and yaoi couples but only if they are not the main focus of the story. In the sense that romance is not the main focus of the story. Ideally, something like Code Geass season one tier quality, but with gay main couple.

No garbage like Citrus where every named character series is gay. That's just stupid and asinine.
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>>153630111
Its pandering you cunt

One of the girls was obsessed with a dude, she just kisses the other girl for fun
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>>153631309
What about hetrosexuality or romance in general? I've read several manga (Or any media for that matter) that I felt would have been better if they didn't force a love interest into the story. Love interests, gay or not, are only good if the characters actually have a connection with each other and they affect the main plot of the story.

In the end, It's just another element of entertainment.
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>>153629746
It beats couples that never do fucking anything
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>>153629746
Not when they bring obnoxious western fans talking about anime "progressiveness" and "representation".
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I'd rather see friendship without subtle hints of something else.
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>>153631937
You're right about romance in general. I can think of a few stories that would have been better off not ever bringing it up.
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>>153629858
Where is the proof?
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>>153632046
Yeah, this is the best option. Real close friendships are even more rare too.
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>>153631259
>Go watch american media if you need that.
I'm not gay but why does it have to be american? I mean, you're supposed to identify a little to some characters in story, that's the basic in litterature too. They some gays want to watch anime, and it happens to feature a gay couple, secondairy characters or not, that's not a bad thing. American shows suck anyway. And gays exist in japan too.
I never understood that logic.
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>>153631735
It's not exactly the same thing because of the social structure of male and female roles are twisted around. A guy and a girl wrestling on the bed then locking eyes while going doki doki is a moment we expect because they are opposite genders. Audience is like "duh. Of course that would happen." If two guys or two girls do the same, it becomes more of a suprise because it's not the norm. Then you wonder "who's top? Who's bottom? Do they switch? How will the rest of world view them?" Questions that don't usually come up if it was a guy and girl. It adds a small element of mystery and excitement.
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>>153632243
Because there's a shitload of american media that does exactly what you want. Anime is not the place for this, you want it to give you something it won't so there's no point.
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>>153629746
I would be okay if it mean we don't have that annoying stereotype of gay men like pic related.
Not that I hate him but I don't like this type of character. Homo pervert with make up
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>>153631804
Mari is an Asuka rip-off, what did you expect?
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>>153629746
>no yuri pandering
You do know that yuri's target audience is female, right?
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>>153630518
>gay characters existing is just "pandering"
It can be, or it can not be, nigger.

> That's just sending the message that they're objects to be fapped over
It's called fanservice. Take your "but muh message!" bullshit back to tumblr.
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>>153632092
This. I'd rather have no romance than a dumb one.
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>>153632360
>Anime is not the place for this
Why. Anime is just a medium like others. Some manga have gay couples that aren't at the center of the story and isn't yuri/yaoi genre. Why couldn't they do the same for anime huh?
It's not impossible. Anime has no restriction as a medium. It's like saying anime can't portray caucasians, latinos, can't be set in america or whatever
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>>153629746
i wouldn't mind as long as their sole purpose of existence isn't being gay. it shouldn't be their defining characteristic, but it can make characters more interesting.

also fuck yuri baiting
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I am not opposed to gay characters, as long as they (or the autors) are not faggots about it.
Think Talhand of MT or that gay guy from Tiger & Bunny. They were just gay and that's it. The viewer was not reminded of it every ten seconds/lines and it was not made into forced drama.
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>>153631114
>Hetro couples are dull and not as exciting.
>Same sex just has new dynamics that haven't been throughly explored enough yet.

Are you serious?

>If two guys or two girls do the same, it becomes more of a suprise because it's not the norm.

That is indicative enough of how its going to go before the whole locking eyes moment.
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>>153632541
marco in attack on titan is gay and it didn't disturbed the story
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>>153632601
>>153632312
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>>153630518
>this whole post
You do not belong here.
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>>153632504
>>153632541
hivemind
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>>153632498
>Anime is just a medium like others
It's the medium of a distant people who are in a lot of ways insulated and disconnected from the rest of the world. It operates on national terms and practises which are independent of foreign opinions.

Whether or not it's used for any specific agenda is up to the japanese, no body else.

Ironically manga is extremely progressive compared to the rest of their society when it comes to representing sexual minorities but since this is a shitposting thread lets ignore that.
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I mean relationships without the usual tropes are fucking boring, I even find normal couples fucking boring
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>>153629746
yes please
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>>153632639
Are you for real? Where did this come from?
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>>153632815
yeat japanase is becomming mre open about it. More march for the gay community are organised so it could happen in the future. If it does, I'm asking if people would mind or just be okay
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>>153632970
Hajime's twitter a while ago. Westerners were asking him the same question over and over.
He's quite progressive for a mangaka anyway
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>>153632498
Anime is a money making medium. There's no money in making something to make you feel better about being a fag.
How other niche demographics do you see portrayed? Practically none. And when they do it's as fanservice, not an actual meaningful character.

Stick with manga if you need something to validate your life choices, anime won't do it for you.
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>>153629746
Anyone think there is too much gay shit in anime and manga?

I would be ok with if they were contained in the own genres, but they keep spilling out into straight media
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>>153633051
See >>153631309
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Romance is boring unless the two characters want to kill each other or have really good chemistry. That's why I don't like official couples, 99% of the time they are the worst fucking combination possible.
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>>153633260
You are correct but let's face it, this argument is pointless.
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Regular yuri is too mainstream these days....needs more age gap stuff.
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>>153633375
regular yuri is baiting though. In these recent anime, no yuri couples were confirmed
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>>153633260
>straight media
No anime is marketed as "straight" though. What is straight anime? Basic shojo romance? Are anime without romance straight? even if it doesn't protray any sexuality?
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>>153633495
>no yuri couples were confirmed
I'm sorry you didn't watch Flip Flappers.
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>>153629746
Here's the thing. The people already crying about "pandering" or "yuribaiting" will just keep complaining about pandering anyways. If you introduce a hardcore gay couple they will just say, what's the purpose other than to push a SJW agenda? Why do they need to be so gay? It's all pandering to /lgbt/ REEEEEE etc.
Most of these people are just obnoxious shitters who are pretending they care about authenticity when in fact they just hate the underlying substance.
On the other hand, if you are okay with "actual" gay couple to begin with then why do you care if their relationship is not so determined? Why do you care if they are 100% gay or 50% gay or perhaps not gay? The authors make the characters what they are and it's their artistic freedom. If you don't like it just don't watch it.
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>>153633651
ah, I did, meh. I guess it was. Still, papika was lke "I loved you since you were a baby", which is weird. No kiss, and we don't know if they are in an actually romantic relationship after this. Are they dating? We don't know
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>>153633587
Everything that isnt labeled as girls love/boys love and does not contain any kind of bait of these genres
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>>153633651
flip flap was more "young girl exploring sexuality coming-of-age" type deal, don't think it is confirmed in the actual anime
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>>153633754
>>153633783
From the director himself

>Is there anything you’re particular about with regards to yuri?
>Oshiyama: I’m actually not very knowledgeable about it. However, in talking with Ayana I think I got a good grasp of “things you shouldn’t do” and “lines you shouldn’t cross” when it comes to yuri. That said, I maybe broke the rules a little on episode seven. That episode features various personalities of Papika, and some of them are rather boyish. Thinking about the yuri perspective, I figured it wouldn’t be good to pair Cocona with a boy her age, so originally I had Papito and Papiya with female bodies too... but Takashi Kojima wanted to make them boys (laughs), so they ended up more male in places. My initial sketches of Papiwo, too, included a sarashi wrapped around her chest as a “definitely still a girl” signal. Also, in episode 8 there’s a boy their age, Occhan, who shows up; I made him a little shorter so he wouldn’t be at eye level with Cocona and the others.
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>>153629746
I'm gay so yes I'd be fine with it. It ain't profitable though. The only reason why you see that shit in the west is because the West doesn't just prioritize profit they prioritize agendas.
No one wants to watch the gays except for the gays and some women and even then women will alway prefer the female self insert character romance over the gay one.
Honestly I don't really want gay characters popping up randomly in muh anime but I think it would be nice to have a well done gay romance anime. The only reason I'd like it (other than the fact that I am a dick sucker) is that I think they'd approach it in a way that the West doesn't (just like the way they approach romance in general) and I think that would be interesting.

Also baiting vs. confirmed does not matter. It doesn't make that shit any less annoying. Oh and I don't like you.
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>>153633780
You have a point.
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>>153633880
>and even then women will alway prefer the female self insert character romance over the gay one.
Jesus, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>153633746
I do the difference with "gays" like in Hibike and real gay. I mean, people who are actually said to be gay, not shown like "they look guys, you like girl on girl action right? here's some fanservice".
It's bad if doing something not done often it considering having a SJW agenda. So you can't make an anime about latinos? You can't make an anime with black people as protag?

Would afro samurai be considered as SJW agenda if it came out in 2017? That's just an exemple but it seems like everuthigng is pandering now.
I don't see how portrayong more peole is a bad thing.
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>>153633978
Please show me the profit margins of straight romance focused shoujo manga vs gay fujo manga
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>>153634195
Don't you have shoujo anime bombing every season while fujo are almost always reasonanly successful
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>>153629746
Sure.
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>>153633880
>Oh and I don't like you.
That was petty. What did I do to you m8?
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>>153633862
Just a reminder.

>883
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>>153634185
How can one browse the chans and not be able to see clear pandering and agendas in the media you consume?
Anyway tell me one good reason to have a gay anime westerner.
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>>153634185
>Hibike
>they look guys, you like girl on girl action right? here's some fanservice
You mean the novel that was created by a women for young girls and whose "yuri" scenes were enhanced in the anime by another woman?
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>>153634251
Do you think girls who watch fujo anime are actually attracted to gay couples? Cause I don't
They like it for the same reason that guys like Yuri
It has nothing to do with romance and everything to do with cute guys
A legitimate gay romance anime will always do worse than the straight romance
There is no market for it
Gay romance will stay where it belongs (in manga)

>>153634345
You made this thread
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>>153634811
>for the same reason that guys like Yuri
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>>153634398
not necessarily westerners, but also gays in japan.
I don't know, do something new. Anyway, my question wasn't about "should we have more gays" it' just that, anime might do like manga and feature more gays, in that case would /a/ be okay.
There's no use in romange in general beside making the characters more human and fleshed out. And some people are infact, gay so a character could be in a gay just like he could be in a hetero relationship. that's it. Add layers to a character.
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>>153634439
And at the same time killing all of Shuu's development in favor of anime original scenes right? They were either playing dumb or had no idea how relationships worked. Heck the scriptwriter said shuu and kumiko understood each other better than lovers with the fist bump scene. And yet in season 2 they were no where close to that.
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>>153634811
I'm pretty sure that your average BL sells better than your average shoujo romance anime.
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>>153634185
Don't mind people like that, honestly. Ignorant people think politics is only sexuality when it extends too all facets of society and will see a pandering agenda in anything if they want to. Mecha anime or anime about war have politics and often have xenophobia themes in them too but people are fine with it without sperging out.
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>>153634439
>Implying woman can't do fanservice
There's not a couple, that's it but the anime baited
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>>153634936
>This fucking chart again
>Only this one chart
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>>153635027
Prove it because I don't believe it does
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>>153634811
>You made this thread
Asking a simple question. Not wondering about whether or not gay should be in anime but I pretty sure we will see them more in the future
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>>153635099
There's only one yuri-only magazine
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>>153635099
I would show you other yuri magazine's demographics, but that's the only one.
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>>153635139
Go to someanithing. Most romance shoujo sells less than 1k.
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>>153635200
Man, that's sad. Meanwhile there are dozens of BL magazines. No wonder yurifags are always so butthurt.
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>>153635200
I'm going to guess it's the non baiting kind as well right?
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>>153635366
The situation right now is way better than it was some time ago, at least in terms of yuri subtext we always get something each season, and yuri VN's are being localized a lot, I know it's still niche but at least they do know we exist.
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Only if they're women. Bonus points if one of them gets raped at any point during the show.
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>>153629746
Why yes, I would.
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>>153635480
I think it's safe to assume all the girls in a magazine with yuri in the title are gay anon or are straight for the sake of yuri drama
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>>153635533
>yuri VN's are being localized a lot
That's only because /u/ stacks the deck and mass fills out all those surveys.
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>>153635605
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a CGDCT subtext series in that.
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>>153635153
Maybe in one or two at some point but I don't believe the world progresses linearly (when I say one or two I mean full out gay romance)

I have a question to a lot of people itt though maybe even you:
Why do you consume anime if you just want to turn it into westernized media?

Personally the only reason I'd want a gay romance is to see exactly how it would be handled and that's it. But I also like that anime isn't so what's the word cucked I guess (I don't like to use that word but I can't think of something better). Part of what I like about the romances done is that they aren't anything like western romances (that I've seen). I feel like western romances have an air of darkness around them caused by how progressive the society is. It's like pure love can't exist. Romance focused anime and manga lack this and I like that. My fear is that the making of a gay focused romance anime is the mark of a more progressive Japan a Japan in which pure love doesn't exist anymore. Really gay thoughts right?
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>>153635801
There may have, but considering the magazine it's in would you have any doubt they are actually gay
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>>153635875
*aren't*
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>>153635480
You can check the line-up for yourself.
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>>153636095
That looks pretty terrible. There are better yuri manga in shounen and seinen magazines.
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You can have characters with almost any ailment or mental disease and have is be good, as long as you do the writing right. There has to be more behind the character to cause them to be the way they are, other then "I jus felt like it" or other BS to pander to trash.
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>>153629746

Yes. We need more actually.
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>>153629746
yes
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>gay couples in your anime
>no yuri/yaoi pandering
I think it's funny you think these are inseparable concepts.
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>>153639033
Delete this, Asuka is Kumiko's true love
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>>153629746
>39 posters

Nothing more cancerous that >>>/lgbt/ and >>>/soc/ leaking onto /a/.

Fuck off back to your containment boards and tumblr.
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>>153634811
I like BL because of the romance. There's different dynamics between gay couples and straight couples. It doesn't really turn me on. I guess that's an outlier for fujoshi though, I never cared for "omg the bishies!!" I like the bond that can be there, the taboo-ness of it, the unique male/male exchanges that happen. Possibilities for plot are much different in these situations, and the dialogue changes very dramatically from that of a straight romance.
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Yes. It's possible to write gay people who are important to the plot and aren't effeminate musclemen.
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>>153629746
Yes, for sure, of either gender. Het couples are default and commonplace, and they're always limited by the expectations for their gender. There's a lot more room for interesting characterization between same sex couples, and there's a lot more excitement when they actually do get together. YOI is a great example, everyone was going nuts over the romantic development because it was so unpredictable, you never knew how far they'd take it. If they were straight, it'd just be par for the course if they got together and there'd be no surprise to it.

I don't necessarily want series where their gayness is the focus of the story and it goes into homophobia etc. Romance that happens to be gay as the central focus is fine, but it'd be fucking great if, every so often, same sex couples with good dynamics just ended up being canon without it being a huge deal. There are so many characters who have the best relationship development, interactions and dynamics, but aren't even considered a romantic possibility because of their gender, and I think that's a fucking waste. Romance enhances relationships, it doesn't detract from it, despite all the dumbass hetfags who insist that it ruins pure friendship. None of those idiots give a fuck about the sanctity of friendship with male/female friendships, in fact they take it as an affront if they don't get together.
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>>153630102
Even if it's a program it still exists anon
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>>153629746
As long as their sexuality isn't their entire character
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>>153644619
Dont be silly
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>>153629746

How do lesbians draw intercourse to a sexually satisfying climax when it's impossible for both to climax whilst one is pleasuring the other?
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Nobody cares either way. Why are westshitters so obsessed with gay agendas? It's always either "waah no gays" or "waah too much gays". Like just watch what you want to watch and don't watch what you don't want to watch nigger.
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>>153630497
Wolololol
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>>153629746
Yea
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>>153629746
Is it even possible to have more gay characters in anime? I can't think of any off the top of my head that I'm not convinced are gay.
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>>153633232
That implies I feel bad about it. I just like seeing SOME gay couples in the stuff I watch. They don't even have to be the leads. I don't want the romance to overtake the story.
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>>153643761
You can really tell that tumblr is in this cancerous thread
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>>153645341
What do you expect from fujoshits
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>>153646291
But it's not just fujoshits or SJWs or whatever. The anti-gay crowd is just as rabid.
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