How can longswords even compete?

SWORDS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT

>>153599804
Obviously they do because the one in this documentary does

>>153599778
Katanas are sharper and have a sturdier center. The force of a longsword is much less focused as well.

By being better balanced, more versatile, protecting your hands, weighing less, costing less, being made from superior steel and better forges.

>>153599778
She had nice armour.

>>153599890
>The force of a longsword is much less focused as well.

Depends how you're using it. That said longswords are over-rated in media anyways. Arming and side swords were much more commonly used blades and if you needed a bigger weapon that needed both hands to wield there were much better choices.

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>>153599909
>implying

Katana is about precision and skill to cut the unprotected areas, it isn't a sword to bash people with like mindless barbarians

>>153600327
>it isn't a sword to bash people with like mindless barbarians
No wonder the Japs lost.

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>Not using superior pole arms

Have fun never getting close.

>>153600327
Yes, precision to cut down unarmed farmers.

>>153600327
>Katana is about precision and skill to cut the unprotected areas

Not really. It was more of a side arm to use against opponents with little to no armor and were also more of a status symbol due to how expensive they were. And if your implying what I think your implying, you did not "Bash people" with swords like broadswords like they were some sort of club either.

>>153600327
>glorified meat cleaver needing more skill than a longsword

lmao stop believing video game stats are look up historical fighting techniques.

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>>153600187
>Arming and side swords were much more commonly used blades
We've found plenty of historical longswords on battlefields and seen a lot of them in depictions. Whether arming and side swords were more "common" is rather questionable, as it heavily depends on the time period and the type of troops. When it comes to infantry side-arms it is definitely more comfortable to carry a shorter weapon like an arming sword or side-sword, but when it comes to cavalry side-arms, longswords were fairly common.

>>153600404
>>153600539
>>153600554
>>153600560
same

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>>153600682
nope.

Someone post that one mugi shitpost, I don't have it on me right now.

>>153600539
kek

didn't rapiers trigger nip shits?

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>>153600682
Try again fag

>>153600735
>>153600822
nice inspect element

>>153600790

rapiers only trigger women

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>>153600880
I don't see how I could

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>>153600880
Just admit your wrong, idiot.

>>153600327
>Katana is about precision and skill to cut the unprotected areas, it isn't a sword to bash people with like mindless barbarians
I wounder how it and Samurai would contest against a fully Equipped Centurion?

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>>153599778

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>falling for the katana meme.

>>153601033
>>153601139
Mobile phone posting image filenames
dumb phone-poster, bet you have /r/anime ready too :)

>>153601033
I think we should stop replying to the Idiot >>153601272

He's derailing the thread.

>>153600293
That's not made in Japan.
Made in China will be like that.
you damp ass.

>>153601261
Man, I havent' seen the editted version in ages. Kinda wish it would get posted even if everyone saw through it

>>153601410
https://youtu.be/BVCaJdYZmCU

Before we spurge off into 500 post land, lets clear up some things that are just hollywood nonsense.

"Folding" is not some super special blade smithing technique that Japan invented. Its a fairly low tier technique for working carbon into iron to produce steel, and pretty much everyone who figured out how to make steel figured out folding or something very similar, many of them before Japan. Some countries actually moved onto superior methods with things like crucible steel.

No steel sword is made by pouring molten metal into a big mold. That just results in a shitty unbalanced blade that's going to break fairly easily. Steel Swords of all kinds in every country typically took about 1-3 weeks to make.

Katana and most broadswords typically weigh about the same. The Katana is not the super light and fast thing you see in hollywood and is actually surprisingly thick and heavy.

Katanas are not super fragile things that break apart instantly either (If you are using them correctly and not like they're a fucking club or axe at least).

Both Katana and broadswords were side arms, not primary weapons.

Medieval armor was heavy, but only by about as much as what the average modern soldier has to carry with them now. They were also surprisingly flexible and easy to move around in (Fully armored knights could climb ladders, do cartwheels and jumping jacks, and even dance in their armor).

Crossbows > Polearms > Swords.

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>He uses katanas

>>153601395
he's baiting us redditdudes, he's baiting us, not very gentleman-like at all...

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I'm a sucker for Halberds myself, though honestly there isn't any shit-tier melee weaponry in my book.

Well, maybe Flails

>>153601501
>Crossbows > Polearms > Swords
I always figured that whenever we discuss pre-gunpowder weaponry we shuffle range to the side since it's obviously going to be superior. Fuck, a good English Longbow and half these are invalidated even in good armor.

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>>153601531
He takes the bait

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>>153601820
>He doesn't shitpost in a designated shitpost thread
sage of course

>>153599778
Am I completely wrong or are "katanas" only useful for the fight against unarmored or very very lightly armored opponents?

>No Pommel or Guard to strike
>No Halfswording possible
>No thrusting
>Only one sharp side

>>153599890
>Katanas are sharper and have a sturdier center.
No they don't.
Why do I get suckered into this shit every time.

https://youtu.be/58NVoTocUOk

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>>153600539

>>153599909
>Superior steel
Japanese Steel is litearlly shit

>>153602257
How is it different to lets say Damascus?

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>m-muh swords
daily reminder

>>153602257
so a katana made from european steel will be worshiped in japan?

>>153602310
The quality in the japanese metals were bad, that's why they had to work a lot in the sword, heating it and tempering it much more.

>>153602358
No, but it would be stronger than a regular katana.

>>153602416
Japanese iron sources were poor, their steel at least average.

>>153602110
No there were entire styles dedicated to using the sword in armor,

>>153602342
I should really jot down somewhere to watch Thunderbolt, I spent that whole season from like episode 3 that I'd catch up and hop on the bandwagon and never did, and immediately forgot about it as soon as it finished.

>>153602257
>Japanese steel

you can't pull that shit anymore when they have access to modern tech. Today katanas are refined to its fullest

>>153602310
Most Japanese iron came from iron sand found in mountains and on beaches rather than iron ore like in Europe and India. It had a lot of impurities mixed in and was difficult to refine into usable iron and steel.

>>153602774
the japanese still forge them using the traditional bloomery method. Only Chinese and western copies are made with modern metal work

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>>153602774
> katanas today

but nobody uses them in battle when fucking guns exist.

>>153602774
No tom, no one makes real katanas today, they're produced in mass for otakus who think they can kill someone with a 20$ fake katana from ebay.

>>153599778
>being proud of having a pencil dick
Broad longswords are better where it counts.

>>153600293
>>153599778

How many years has this thread been the exact same across multiple boards?

>>153602823
Swords are used for more things than just to kill people. It's also a great hobby to do training fights and I think there's this japanese sport where they cut bamboo mats.

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>>153599778
How can swords even compete?

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>>153599778
folded over 1k times nippon steel

>>153602874
fucking this.

>>153602874
a real katana today using modern tech would obliterate a claymore

>>153602310
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel
a lot

>>153600293
this image bothers me. I know that a katana would deteriorate faster when used against a longsword or a broadsword but if you hit them into each other like that they would all bend and chip fairly fast. You aren't trying to hit the other sword with your sword you are trying to hit their body. Swords are not shields.

>>153601139
>exposed hands, arms, face

They get slashed and he dies.

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>>153602930
>It's also a great hobby to do training fights

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>>153599778
Was it rape?

>>153603171
No, even with the best forge and HIHG JAPANIS TECH you can't cut a big hard sword made out of real steel with a small katana, it's science jimmy.

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>>153603193

Good luck getting past my shield. It's a shame you don't have one.

>>153603283
Yes. But then it was retconed to not be rape.

>>153603327
"Modern Tech" doesn't work like that.

>>153603327
It was for >>153603171

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>>153603193
>exposed hands, arms, face
>They get slashed and he dies.
Your knowledge of Roman Armor astounds me.
>>153601139
>contest against a fully Equipped Centurion

>>153603284
yeah they can. depends on how they work the metal. thats where the folded a gajillion times is for

>>153603188
Katanas are not shields. Longswords were commonly used for defense just as much as offense.

>>153599890
Well, you can play with that toy when a Longsword bend it after one hit.

>>153603283
Originally but the Yakuza sent death threats to the author and wussed out like a retard. Also, they fired the editor.

>>153603544
Well so were japanese swords but no one puts one sword on a braced stand and swings full force.

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>>153600327

>>153603542
Past about 16 folds you start working too much carbon into the steel and it becomes detrimental to the blade.

>>153603686
>>153603542

Also, folding is basically the crudest and most difficult way to process iron into steel.

>>153603795
Its hardly crude, the Vikings produced wonderful swords using a similar method

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>>153600293
>>153601261
Here what should happen if your sword is well made.

>>153603195
What's wrong with that? You aren't retarded and think you do training fights with actual live weapons?

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No nip is ready for the half-sword technique

>>153603852
I meant compared to almost every other method for producing steel.

Quick question, we always see katana cutting bullet in Manga and Anime.

Assume someone can cut it perfectly, where on the bullet and the minimum distance that person need to cut to not have 2 holes on his face?

>>153604002
They actually did have a type of half swording, though it was used differently

>>153603171

Kek then you'd have to compare that to a real claymore using modern tech as well dumbass so you still lose

>>153604002
Sauce?

>>153604002
Please tell me this doesn't go on to wank katanas afterwards.

>>153599890
This, the rotational velociraptor density in longswords is more focused on the outside so the tang doesn't pang.

>>153604002
>banning a technique because it is too deadly to use on the battlefield

Please tell me white people aren't actually this fucking stupid.

>>153604311
Are flamethrowers or chemical weapons allowed on the battlefield?

>>153604132
Reincarnation no Kaben

Katanas were superior because the thin blade meant that the much thinner japanese steel atoms could slide right between the atomic bonds of the opponents armor. not like fat european steel atoms which had to call a cab and eat cheeseburger every time they wanted to return to their scabbard

>>153600472
pole arms would never work against glorious katana because poles have short, stubby arms only good for unplugging toilets and changing pipe fixtures

>>153604311
must be a mistranslating IE don't do this shit while dueling someone to lazy google

>>153602257
japanese steel was superior to european steel because it' sa much rarer ore in japan akin to gold

gold kanatas would have won japan ww2

>>153604311
Half Sword was actually a very viable fencing technique that was used mostly against other armored foes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-sword

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>>153604606
Thank you, now I can go to bed.

>>153599778
Dammit /tg/ go home, you're drunk again.

>>153604311
Go google it

The Popes have banned a lot of combat stuff

Most of it only really applied to duels though

>>153604357
flamethrowers quit being used after it was found that the dreaded banzai charged allowed japanese katanas to store fire energy and throw it in a wave.

>muh swords

What year is it?

>>153604692
the year we use swords again, fuckface

>>153604722
*shoots you*

>>153604088
>Assume someone can cut it perfectly, where on the bullet and the minimum distance that person need to cut to not have 2 holes on his face?
no safe distance, because the bullet becomes a cloud of lead particles instead of two equidistant chunks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPQ1W3qobys

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Hey Gaijin,

My name is Katana, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are pale, dishonorable, devils who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass longswords. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever bisected any European Knights? I mean, I guess it's fun making me underpowered in d20 because of your own insecurities, but you all take it to a whole new level. This is even worse than being too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I can cut slabs of solid steel, and I'm thrice as sharp as European swords. What can you brag about, other than "targeting the men with the katanas first in World War II"? I also scared medieval Europe into leaving Japan alone, and have a banging honorable wielder (He just cleaned me; Shit was SO cash). You are all ignorant devils who should just commit seppuku. Thanks for listening.

Pic related: It's me and my Samurai.

>>153604743
>parrys bullet

heh

nice technique kid

>>153603570
>Yakuza sent death threats

Why? Was she their Waifu?

>>153604781
ummmm sweetie, that was just the first bullet ;)

>>153604818
where do you think that bullet went
heh
nice try tho

>>153604843
Pretty sure your stomach is bleeding.

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we're almost halfway to OP's prophecy, let's keep it going

>>153605137
Ok. Am I the only fucker disturbed by the edge alignment changing midway through the blade?

>>153601501

I remember watching a documentary talking about how vikings discovered the folding technique for forging weapons before the japanese, but since the vikings actually had decent metal to work with, folding like the japanese did was more or less unnecessary.

I guess it all comes down to how shitty the metal in your country is.

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What if the katana was made with high quality metal or gold?

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Why are you weebs so fucking autistic?

>>153605589
Folding is just a method to produce usable steel from steel blooms while removing impurities from the metal. It is not a technique for forging weapons specifically and has nothing to really do with the quality of the iron used. European steel didn't make for good weapons just because they had better iron, it's because they moved on from things like folding and figured out how to make things like crucible steel.

And I think the technique you're talking about is pattern welding.

>>153605680
Isn't gold incredibly malleable and thus shit for making swords?

>>153605589
>>153605941
Also, the celts are thought to be the first to discover pattern welding/folding.

>>153606009
Gold is so soft you can crush it with your hands.

>>153606009
It's a very soft metal. You can bend pure gold with your bare hands. Not suitable for weapons or tools at all.

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>OP makes a thread
>fags take de b8
>its a proof that /a/ is full of katanautism
yfw

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>>153606164
+1 internet for you kind scholar.

>>153606230
Nice facebook image, you have there.

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>>153600327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln94E9AGYTc&t=72s

>>153606314
cropped it myself. Thanks faggot.

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>Dominating as crusaders in an entire fucking game that has KATANA SUPERIOR SAMURAI SHAMEFUR DISPRAY ELITE WARRIORS N SHEEET meme

ONLY IF THE GAME WAS FUCKING STABLE

can Katanas even harm full plate armors?

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>>153599778
Why not Jians, Daos, Scimitars or something else?

>>153606389
Just bash the guy with the pommel. You won't be slicing any armored bloke open unless you've got an enormous weapon.

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>>153606389
or chainmails, aren't they actually very effective against blades?

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war axe/maces/hammer>western swords>katana
prove me wrong protip: you can't

I thought /a/ would be more forgiving towards Katana love

>>153604002
Why would you mordhau against an unarmored person? Japanese swords aren't the best for parrying. You'd do pretty well just swinging it.

>>153606502
No. /a/ is even more harsh against rampant weeaboos.

>>153606485
Enjoy needing tons of swing compared to certain other weapons & being shit for formations.

>>153606485
Spears > all that shit

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>>153606588
Polearms in general a best.

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>>153606611

>>153606503

Jesus I haven't seen anything that tryhard in a long time

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>>153606527
>tons of swing
gets crippled with just one blow

>>153606389

According to this a katana could stab through metal armor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo

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>>153600293
>>153601261
>not posting the real versions

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>>153606723
And this

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I would prefer a flail over almost anything other than perhaps certain polearms.
Mainly because no matter how armored an opponent, or how large their shield, your flail will still hit it's mark whether direct strike or working around the opponent's shield.

>>153606510
Just to show off I guess.
Like, "Look, I can beat you to death with the other end of my sword and your katana can't"

>>153606588
>>153606611
Polearms were agreed to by the best overall duelist weapon by the ancient chinese

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>>153604126
>Katana wins

DELETE THIS

>>153606723
Ha, its been forever
>>153606732
Damn, thats good editting

>>153604002
There was one manga I read where the main character used half-sword techniques all the time. Though in traditional japanese form, it was treated like something of a special move where he'd shout a technique name every time he did it.

It was also the only manga I can think of where the main character was straight up a black guy.

>>153606966
>Afro Samurai

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Reminder

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>>153606966
For anyone intersted, it was called Knights.

It was actually pretty decent aside from being pretty rushed. Most arcs felt a lot shorter than they should have been and its clear he rushed near the end to get an actual ending before maybe it got canceled?
It was still pretty neat IMO.
>>153606974
Ok, make that two mangas, though I guess the anime is more important to Afro Samurai, tho the manga wasn't bad

>>153602990

RIP

>>153606503
Careful you don't sever your own head.

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>>153604126

>modern katana vs modern claymore

I don't think I'd want to be the guy with the katana.

>>153600293
although the sword in the gif is 4 times wider it would be weaker

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>>153599778
best girl

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Go home Katana

>Japs actually got fucked in the ass during a banzai charge during the battle of khalkin ghol by a rush of russians equipped with bayonett nuggets

So much for muh katana

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>>153603501

>>153602110
nips didn't have enough iron on their island for metal armor anyways

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>>153608460
How can japs even compare?

>>153608483
I love this meme

>>153608512
I thought Japan did win against the Russian Empire, was it naval?

>>153607226
Not THAT claymore, silly!

>>153603686
the "folded 1000 times" thing is just a misinterpretation that impresses people who don't understand exponents

if you fold it in half 10 times you have 1024 layers, which is what that is actually supposed to be talking about

>>153608579
Yup and it was more in the sense that Russians jobbed so fucking hard the Japanese started to believe that it was because they were some sort of tremendous strategists which fucked them hard in the ass during ww2.

>>153604311
the mordhau was for killing people in plate armor, aka the rich upper-class knights leading the armies
you're only supposed to kill the unwashed masses while you ransom the nobles back to their families or something

>>153608637
so, the rich knight just wrestle each other?

>>153608656
pretty sure knights literally did practice wrasslin'

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>>153608656
They unscrewed their pommels in the middle of fights and threw it at each other.

Spears and bows won wars.

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>1500
>using swords
psh, nothing personell kid

>>153602990
What happened to cuhrazy?

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that sword is THICC, how did he manage to cut it?

>>153599778
A katanas edge is sharper than a longsword and also also, the samurai people just have better swordtechniques than dumb knights.

>>153608763
didnt the pope ban using those to shoot at fellow christians

or probably it was only catholics, huh

>>153608744
But it ended them rightly.

>>153608374
Actually this is a very good comparison. Both weapons were mainly used against unarmored oponents with the difference that the rapier actually gives you a range advantage over the katana.

Superior design and superior looks.

has there been accidents with fags playing with katanas?

>>153604311
duels are considered battlefields, probably mistranslated.

>>153605589
The Viking folded their steel. It's a necessary part of steel making. You can't skip this part. No matter how good your steel is.

>>153608637
The mordhau was a technique for Germanaic judicial duels, where you were only allowed to take a specific set of weapons and as much armor as you wanted. It has no real application in battle.

>>153609214
Not for valyrian steel

>>153607003
But that's wrong.
I'd take a hammer and shield before fighting an armored opponent with a longsword anyday.

Anyone got that image of the girl explaining why the katana is superior because it's folded over thousands of times

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>it's one of these threads again

>>153609493
I have just one question,
can i rape her legally during competition?

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>>153601261
A real katana is made of several layers of steel, so not bend or break like that fake chinese toy.

>>153609524
You're welcome to try. Just make sure she's unarmed.

>>153609585
I wonder how the the armored guys rape the poor barbarian girls

>>153609574
>Hamon
Wait a minute.

>>153609524
If that's a rape competition. Take a note there is a dozen of japanese old men behind the scenes.

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>>153599778
>>153600293
>>153601261
>>153603854
>>153606723
>2017
>using primitive technology

Cyka Blyat

>>153601642
Did you know that glaives weren't invented during Kingdom's time period?

>>153610185
Rifle was fine! What are you even doing, Boris, go sleep.

>>153610222
Alright cousin! Perhaps another time!

>>153606732
>>153606723
>>153603854
>>153600293
3DPD

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>>153599778

>>153608854
Yeah, because Richard the Lionheart was "unfairly" killed by one bolt in whatever crusade.

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>>153599778
HIDE BAIT THREADS
IGNORE BAIT THREADS

>>153610398
kill yourself newfag

>>153606503
That's actually pretty tough to pull off.

>>153608579
Yes, and it was such a fucking shitshow it was both hilarious and embarrassing

a japanese katana wouldnt even dent a european longsword

>>153612831
Good thing katanas were made to cut flesh, not steel then.

>>153612908
japanese armies never had armor, is what your saying then? you know that dumb right

>>153612908
sword can usually cut flesh, you skull.

>>153612983
most didn't tho compared to the west and I mean more than just mail

>>153612983
I don't know about fighting styles in medieval Japan, but in Europe if you hit on the enemy's armor or sword with your own, you were just a dumbass. No reason to think otherwise for Japan.
So yeah, good thing cutting weapons cut flesh, because they're not made for cutting steel, so obviously a katana would dent or break on a european longsword. Because it was never meant for the katana to cut/hit steel.

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For a moment I thought I was in a For honor thre...
>>153606389

>>153604311
Probably banned in duels, not the battlefield.

>>153604311
Nukes? Mustard gas?

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>>153604002
>japanese sword don't have this sort of battle style, right?

I don't see a reason why not, its just taking the sword by the blade and hit the other with the handle. Why wouldn0t you able to do it with a Katana?

>>153608637
By the time of the Hundreds Year War, the backbone of Medieval armies consisted of contracted professional men at arm in plate and mail and archers/crossbowmen.
This is particularly true for states like England and Burgundy, while states like France relied more on seasonal Levies.

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Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc

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Every fucking time.

>>153613147
>but in Europe if you hit on the enemy's armor or sword with your own, you were just a dumbass.

Nigger that pommel and the guard were fucking designed to make your life miserable if you were in armor.

>>153613147
theres literally journals from the middle ages detailing techniques for striking armor with your sword to dismantle it

>>153613081
most had leather armor or more my man. they didnt run onto the battlefield straight out some bathhouse

>>153613777
>>153613796
>Falling for the mordhau meme

>>153614301
>meme

>>153614339
I'm not denying it existed, but the only evidence for it comes from a chapter in Talhoffer detailing techniques for judicial duels. The same chapter that has all kinds of wierd shit that oddly, nobody seems to care about. Accepting Mordhau as a legitimate battlefield technique means accepting thrown pommels, duel wielding a spear and sword at the same time, using a brick in a sock while stuck inside a pit and actual unmodified scythes as legitimate battlefield techniques too.

Why use a shitty japanese sword when you could be using a fantastic japanese club?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanab%C5%8D

To katanafags, explain why a katana is superior to a sabre or a scimitar?

>>153614690
Codex Wallerstein?

>>153614339
But really? Why would you try and use your pommel when you could just get a sidearm mace or hammer to bash them in?

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>>153614850
If you had those, fine. If you could actually manage to reach them quick enough, fine.

Using your pommel or your guard was more of an improvised way of dealing with armored oponents.

>>153614850
because its fucking heavy when you already are in full mail

>>153615096
Plate is well distributed and not encumbering at all. A mace is not heavy. This isn't Warhammer we're talking about, but real life.

>>153614850
>Why would you try and use your pommel when you could just get a sidearm mace or hammer to bash them in?
Maybe because you don't have access to a mace?
Do you just tell everyone to stop fighting so that you can go buy a mace or do you make do with what you have?

>>153615185
Mace are a lot more tiring to swing than swords

>>153610219
Not really surprised, Kingdom is anachronistic as fuck. It's still fun though, my only problem is that because I read up to volume 37 like three or four years ago I've completely forgotten everything, and I can't really follow current releases.

>>153615598
Not as tiring or futile as using a sword against plate.

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>>153615925
>slashing instead of thrusting
>complain about the sword

>>153614785
exactly!

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Katana is ART.

>>153615925
Just because it's possible doesn't make it not much worse.

>>153600293
is this guy a master with the Katana?
If yes then this is the proof.

>>153617420
No, European swords are way more aesthetic.

>>153617454
meant for >>153617286

>>153614783
really they aren't, it's the technique you apply with them, and still th Katana is lacking.

Swords work like that

>>153604818
>ummmm
>sweetie
>;)
There is no excuse for this.

>>153599778

>guaranteedreplies.jpg
>250 replies

It's that easy /a/.

>>153599778
Great thread for mocking burger nerds who never wield any blades yet feel offended that Eastern weapon are somewhat better than theirs in any fashion.

>>153617824
even when technique is applied the Katana still fails.

>>153617824
>burger nerds
>swords

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What the fuck is going on here

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and Mechs beat them all. how can westerners even compete

>>153603620
pretty sure the point is if someone swung a katana and an individual parried or blocked with a broadsword....at all

the katana itself would chip at the very least and at worst bend

katanas are not special swords they just look cool with little practicality

>>153617960
>westerners
>implying Acguys come from the east

Space is not in Japan, you filthy Zeon dingus.

>>153600293
>>153601261
>>153603854
I still don't get why people compare swords used in different military settings. They are both specialized to their region and worked quite well for their time.

>>153617896
>guaranteedreplies.gif.jpg.tiff.exe
That's what's happening.

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>>153604497

>>153613483
You know that guy is a joke right?

>>153609574
What do you think happens to the blade when it's struck hard against another blade so that the hardened edge chips away? I can tell you: it loses its structural integrity and bends, just like what happens in >>153601261.

>>153602990
never forget

>>153602823
and nobody has battles anymore since nuclear arms exist

this whole argument is moot

>>153614690
>the only evidence for it comes from a chapter in Talhoffer detailing techniques for judicial duels
This is factually wrong. You can find similar techniques by Fiore de'i Liberi as well, not to mention the Codex Wallerstein, which has nothing to do with Talhoffer. The work with scythes you're referring to is De Arte Athletica, compiled by Paulus Hector Mair (which contains sections of the earlier Codex Wallerstein, but is otherwise an independent work) and the section makes no reference towards battlefield techniques in their usage. It is well possible that these were merely intended for self-defence.

>>153609368
Not all cases is a straight up 1vs1. A weapon getting stuck in someone's armor sucks. Besides, they wear padding underneath because chain mail isn't the best against blunt hits.

>>153603620
>>153618007
The point is that an "expert" on Japanese swords from a BBC documentary claimed that katana could effortlessly cut through other swords and they wanted to put that to the test.

>>153618996
What you just said is a case against longsword against plate, not a case for.

>>153614850
That's honestly like saying why walk when you can drive, ignoring that not everyone can pull a car out of their asses & drive them at all times.

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>>153617960
Just go for a tank.

>>153606009
You can literally tear apart pure gold bars with your bare hands if you're not a bitch.

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>>153619119
No, various hammers have had a back (assuming the hammer part counts as a front) which can be used against armored people. The problem, it might get wedged in there.

>>153619354
So use the hammer.

>>153619482
The pick is there for a reason & its entire purpose is against armor. Armored folk will often have something underneath to help cushion blunt blows.

>>153619354
Biggest problem with Hammers (and Maces) is they rely entirely on momentum to inflict damage, hence in confined situation, their usefulness diminishes

>>153619707

If you're infighting against a dude in full plate in confined quarters your best bet is getting him on the ground and employing your bollock knife. Hammers and maces do rely on swinging, but are certainly more wieldy in close quarters than a longsword would be.

>>153604750
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPQ1W3qobys
Why in the hell are they using Van-Helsing (2004) OST?
https://youtu.be/VuEPvTaUoMM?list=PL3B09E1462FFDE0E1

>>153619803
No, due to half swording techniques you can effectively vary the effective length of the blade. The centre of gravity of maces/hammers also mean that once you swing you are very much committed, whilst a sword can far more easily be redirected or jinx.
Also swords can be used far more effectively to parry attacks and open up your opponent. Maces/Warhammers will require you to use a buckler/shield techniques as well to protect yourself.

>>153618554
he's not a joke. I bet that this is the first time you saw any of his videos.

>>153620060
He is a joke and also takes 30 minutes to say about 1 minute's worth of information.

>>153620164
That's the difference between a statement and an argument, anon.

>>153599778

The Katana itself has an elegant design and is a decent enough blade. The metals that they used were shit though. When the Japs first made contact with European Iberians they were amazed by the quality of their steel. A lot of wealthy Nips would ship their Blacksmiths to Toledo, Spain to make the swords there using Toledo Steel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_steel

>>153620435
>decent enough blade
It couldn't cut through hardened leather with reliability. The blade was way too thick which made it very good against bare skin which it could just wrentch open but near worthless against any and all armor.

>>153620578

I said it was 'decent,' it was a weapon made for people used to fighting a certain way. It was garbage against armor, I wasn't arguing that. Most Samurai wore very little armor, most couldn't afford it.

>>153620653

That's because it wasn't a battlefield weapon. For that you had a horse, a bow and a spear.

>>153620653
Weren't Samurai at least decently armored considering they were analogus to Knights (i.e. land owning nobles)? The Ashigaru which were the backbone of Japanese infantry and had varying levels of protection.

ITT: Intelligent people who think that a Katana was used to cut trough armor.

If you ever get a chance to speak to someone who practices Kenjutsu, ask about that. He will tell you that it was meant to go for the joints, the weak spots and so on.

Nowadays, everybody does understand why snipers don't aim for the ballistic vest but the head. But of course a katana is meant to cut through armor.

>>153619054
Too bad they used a sword made in China.
>>153620853
Yes they were, but I don't think it was metal armor.

What about European bows vs Japanese bows? It always sounded like Japanese bows are weaker.

>>153621107
Mongolian bows > *
I've got a friend at Genghis Khan's court, he showed it to me.

>>153604002
why the fuck isn't there any updates?

>>153621107
I'm too Euro-centric to know anything about shit that the Huns might have had, but I know English Longbows blew everything out of the water for several centuries, and there wasn't anything quite like them until crossbows.

>>153621090
No pre-Sengoku samurai used lammellar iron plates.
In Sengoku period Samurai armor transitioned to steel/iron plate.
This is true definitely for the cuirrass, armor protection for arms and legs, I am not sure.

>>153621322

English longbows were very good, but had logistical issues associated with 'em. In terms of horse archery, the Mongols and the Japanese were both pretty fantastic. That's a different role to the foot archer though.

>>153621322
It wasn't the English longbow itself that was powerful, it was the fact that the English fielded them in unprecedented numbers, and had adapted it into their tactics.

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>>153621090
>Too bad they used a sword made in China.
They didn't. The guy who made a sword (who happens to be NBTHK certified) imported tamahagane from Japan and made it in a traditional fashion. The fact that the weapon bends rather than breaking indicates that we're dealing with a differentially hardened weapon. If it had been made in China it would possibly perform better than a historical weapon because it would have been made of modern steel.

>Yes they were, but I don't think it was metal armor.
Wrong. They used mail armour reinforced with metal plates and padded clothing / silk underneath. Pretty similar to what Europe used during the 13 - 14th century.

>>153621090
>Yes they were, but I don't think it was metal armor.
No, even when they were still just archers they wore metal armor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTw_i9dBEmM

This guy covers the major armor types used in amongst the topic itself, he has pictures of the appropriate ones.

>>153621322
Crossbows and longbows were contemporaries. In fact, crossbows had been known since the antique period.

>>153621512
Looks like I have brain problems, sorry about that. I should really take a class or do some actually in-depth research for weaponry and tactics instead of making do with what I've picked up along the way.

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>>153621107
bows aren't a sense of weaker vs stronger
they're pretty simple mechanically and anything short of a modern compound bow (pic related) will have the same relationship between work in -> power out

the mongol bows were a lot more powerful for their LENGTH, so they could be made shorter and more easily used on horseback.
English longbows were stronger in general, not because of some magical property of their design, but because the King mandated that peasants all practice archery from a young age and so they all developed enough strength in the right muscles to use really high draw-strength bows

>>153621421

They were pretty fucking powerful, dude. They had over a hundred pound draw. There are skeletons of archers from back then that we know are definitely the skeletons of archers, because using a bow that ridiculous for most of your life fucked with your skeletal structure.

The downside being you HAD to practice using them for most of your life in order to use them at all.

>>153621784
Don't they shoot them differently too? When I see traditional Japanese archery the bow sorta swings back and hits them. Or is that just a competition/show style?

>>153621492
>Knights wouldn't be able to resist repeated bow&arrow assaults
>Crusaders literally walked through muslim arrow showers in plate and chainmail
kek

>>153621923
It's not the plate armor that protected them from the arrow showers, but the mail underneath.

>>153621912
yeah i'm sure there ARE differences like that
but the main reason the English were so famous for archery was because the monarchy forced all the peasants to spend way too much time in /fit/

>>153621923

The issue with massed archery isn't that they'll kill you in plate, that's really not a major risk. It's that they kill your HORSE.

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Can Katana cut through tungsten carbide?

>>153621996
I don't think the even English Longbow could penetrate the torso plate except at close ranges. Maybe the thinner plate on the arms/legs.

But yeah there are multiple layers to protect from archers on a Knight, plate, mail and finally gambeson.

>>153621996

Platemail is both significantly superior protection to mail and significantly less encumbering. I'm not sure why you're under the impression that they were used together on a regular basis. You MIGHT have mail segments at joints in plate, depending on the era, but generally under plate would just be wool and leather padding.

Why do you guys obsess over this autistic shit?

>>153622188
It feels like learning.

>>153621996
Both mail and plate works wonders vs arrows, I've been shoot at by bodkins from cheap crossbows in plate and that just bounces off, in mail however it kicks like a bitch when directly hit.
>>153622025
Well the occasions where knights walked through the shower was without cavalry, and I doubt any not-stupid commander would not lead a direct charge against army with idle archers.

>>153622180
I was convinced that mail was designed to 'grab' the arrowhead while plate would simply be punched through due to the extremely small surface of impact.
I might not remember my history lessons and AoE technologies well enough.

>>153622304
Plate with proper steel and enough thickness would be impervious to everything but war picks and hammers.

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>>153599778

*blocks your path*

>>153622298
> I doubt any not-stupid commander would not lead a direct charge against army with idle archers
Wasn't that what happened at Agincourt? Although I'm sure the mud helped.

>>153622403
Please, don't bring up the Hundred Years war. France was led by the stupidest king-commander possible at the worst time. Shamefur dispray

>>153622354
>Halberd
>Spear point
>Hammer side
>Axe side
I do not have enough lust pics to describe boner level I am right now

>>153622354
The armour designs in this game are so ridiculous.

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>>153622503
Not a halberd but a pole-axe.

>>153622505
Is it any good?

>>153622503
>tfw bestpolearm was not in the open beta so i never played him
>tfw didn't enjoy the game enough to buy it
>tfw will never get to become the pollax husbando

>>153622535
I don't know, probably not given that it has mediocre user ratings and that it's being shilled like crazy.

>>153622180
Weren't there some kind of all-in-one composite armors made out of combining plate, mail and leather/padding to avoid having to put on armor in layers?

>>153622535
it's an ubishit game so it has annoying features where they try to jew you out of more money
that was enough for me to instantly decide i wasnt going to buy it regardless of the gameplay

>>153622535
Not $60 good, but the combat has some depth to it. No idea about the story mode, but conquest mode is a DOTA without the fancy moves.

>>153622531
Yeah that, always mess those two up.
>>153622535
It's excellent for a 35$ game at full price, shame it's 60$ at full price.

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Dex fags shitting up this board. Katanas are for fags

>>153622566
>>153622597
>>153622654
Thanks. I'll keep playing victoria then.

>>153622588
Like a gambeson?

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>>153622180
No, Knights were mail hauberk underneath the plate even in the late Medieval era Gothic armor.
E.g. 14th Century Knight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k24y_ZmxRHg

>>153622304

No, that's not wholly inaccurate. It's why warpicks and whatnot happened. Small point does deal with plate better than a large impact surface. But an arrow doesn't really have the mass to reliably punch through plate steel. Heavy crossbows could, but those relied on mechanical winches to cock them, compared to having to pull the string back with unaided as you would with a bow.

Bear in mind that it was an ongoing arms race over multiple centuries. There are points during which heavy bows could deal with the heaviest armour of the time, there are points where plate was basically immortality mode.

>>153622354
>Dismount
>Stun
>Avenging wrath
>Crusaders strick
>Sentence of light
>Divine storm
>Hammer of Wrath

nothing personel kid

>>153622728
Yeah like those, plate on the outside covering all larger areas that's pinned/bolted/fused ontop chain mail chainmail in layers on parts that plate doesn't cover with padding underneath everything to avoid chaffing.
>>153622298
I think you've put an extra negative there anon, otherwise that a really stupid thing to say.

>>153622588
No. I don't even know how you would even get that idea.

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>>153622588
The composition served its purpose. During the 13th century it first became common to reinforce the mail armour, worn on top of padded clothes, with a "coat of plates" to protect the chest area from the couched lance. The knight Ulrich von Liechtenstein describes how he is struck in the chest by the lance of the knight Konrad von Streitwiesen so hard that it "breaks through his plates"in his 13th century literary work "Frouwendienst". During the 14th century, when it became technologically possible to forge single pieces of armour from large metal plates, it was initially worn on top of the regular mail armour. During the 15th century, when further advancements in metallurgy and heat treatment were made it was not uncommon to abandon the complete suit of mail underneath the armour and rely only on padded clothes onto which patches of mail were sewn in order to protect the exposed areas, e.g. on the inner side of joints.

I doubt what you're saying about snipers is true

What's the point when we have remote controlled turrets now?

>>153600293
THIS IS NOT A JAPANESE KATANA FOLDED OVER 1000 TIMES IN FIRES OF MT FUJI
DELETE THIS

>>153623065
>That much mail on back of the thigh
Whilst I'm sure it's to save time a decent plate piece could still cover that area.

>>153622354

That would be a lot more intimidating if he wasn't the worst class in the game.