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Do you think anime would be better off without fan service?

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Do you think anime would be better off without fan service?
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Without Yoko TTGL is forgettable mecha.
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I think some anime would be better without fanservice.
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Fuck off.
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>>153589090
No
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>>153589090
Yoko literally made TTGL
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>>153589090
I think it'd be better off without autistic feminists.
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>>153589090
Are you gay or something?
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>>153589090
Yes times 1000
>>153589187
you mean better
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>>153589371
No, but I prefer better stories and characters over unnecessary sexualisation of women.
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YES actually, I hate when sexual content is just forced in for the neckbeards. It's what ruined high school of the dead for me. It's trying too hard.
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>>153589464
Read children's books then.
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99% of the time absolutely not.
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No.
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>>153589595
See, this is the kind of degeneracy I'm talking about.
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>>153589635
I agree. Not all of us are autistic pedophiles that get no female interaction so we need over the top sexual shit that's just trying too hard.
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>>153589635
I don't see anything wrong with it, those are kid's undies and not sexually stimulating in any way. The purpose of this scene was to advance the plot only. If kid's underwear makes your palms sweaty you're a pedophile and need to turn yourself in
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>>153589666
If the underwear of a prepubescent girl makes you uncomfortable you might be an actual autistic pedophile
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>>153589635
That screenshot is from one of the best written and directed anime of all time though.
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>>153589090
it would make them write more
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>>153589724
>power point the animation
>good directed
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>>153589723
What other reason would they show up a little girl's skirt?.... for the pedophile neckbeards. It's not art, it's not adding anything to the show, it's just unnecessary fan service to pedos. Btw not saying anime shouldn't have sexual content. I'm okay with it if it's not just shoved in for no reason other than fan service to losers.
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Only tumblrinas and nu-males indoctrinated with radical feminism dislike fanservice.
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>>153589820
>What other reason would they show up a little girl's skirt?

To get you to cry about it, and it really works!
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>>153589090
Fanservice is great. Not because I actually fap to the shows, it does get distracting. Better to fap to actual h doujins. However, it's a great normalfag deterrent, so I don't mind it at all.
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>>153589090
Why else would you watch anime?

inb4 muh deep plot and thoughts you forget 20 minutes later
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>>153589820
It's okay to admit that you don't get it but saying shit like that will just give people the impression that you are a neanderthalic retard who can't into nuance
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>>153589867
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/
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>>153589957
Not an argument
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>>153589957
>links meme boards
w-woah, nice argument anon
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>Do you think anime would be better off without fan service?
No, as in I don't think it affects the series. Unless you're a puritan or get horny with everything.

You can have anime with or without.
But what truly bothers me is when studios either decide to add fanservice where it didn't exist to get more viewer OR (and this bothers me even more) when they decide to scrap the existing fanservice in order to make it "more legit" or "friendly".
Like, fuck you Kyoani, why would you take Mio's pantsu shot out of k-on?
Or the fucking magic skirts everywhere.
I don't mind the fog in bath scenes, or towels or anything, but it's just uncomfortable when there are lightrays at night, or total darkness under clothes, or skirts made out of iron, etc.

>>153589921
Also this, not because "muh secret club", but I just absolutely hate talking with weebs irl.
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>>153589993
>shitposts
>ahhaha xD not an argument lol BTFO
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>>153589867
>>153589993
>spouting /pol/ nonsense on /a/
please leave, or spout it one of our tumblr generals instead
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Obviously fan service is a cancer on the anime industry and why people who like anime will always be alienated from others.
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>>153589090
Evangelion Rebuild 3.33

Eva is at its best when its focusing on dark lovecraftian themes and gritty thought provoking characters. Its like Anno doesn't care anymore and just wants to milk Yuri On Ice audience.
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>>153589090

The world would be worse off without an international sanctuary that's out of reach of political correctness.

In direct response to your question, not really. It doesn't do anything to hurt the writing staff's ability to write a good story. Its only "negative" quality is that it triggers prudes, misandrists, and normies.

>But what about all of those terrible shows that exist to do nothing but cash in on sex appeal?

They'd just cash in on something else and be just as terrible. Actually, they'd be worse, because at least things that cash in on sex appeal have sex appeal.
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>>153590068
>>153590091
It's not a shitpost if it's true. Tell me, who else is so sensitive and emotionally immature that they get worked up over panty shots?
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>>153590068
still waiting on that argument tho
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>>153589090
Since most nips are only into anime for the fan service it likely wouldn't survive without it.
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>>153590096
What kind of bubble are you stuck in?

Anime is mainstream as fuck
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>>153590091

OP's question is politically charged.

What problems would people have with something that humans tend to like being present in our stories? The answer always comes back to an authoritarian ideology, whether it be religion or Marxist victim narratives.
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For some shows fanservice would just ruin a perfectly good show with cringey unnecessary shit. For other shows, they know their audience and provide them with what they want.
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>>153590144
Metaposters
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>>153589090
Yes
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>>153589867
Kuzu is probably popular with these types. Proving that sex is only okay as long as everyone is miserable.
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No. Yoko's ass is a miracle of the universes.
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>>153590144
>that they get worked up over panty shots
It's not a question of getting worked up, but it's something unnecessary, all the effort put into fan service could be directed somewhere else.
You're just spewing buzzwords and calling it an argument.
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Would Japan be better off without the Japanese?
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It's not like fanservice is replacing good writing.

Doubt there have been times in the writers room where they've though "man this is a good development, but lets put this fanservice here instead).
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>>153590303
>but it's something unnecessary

That's not your call to make.
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>>153590303
If you're gonna break it down to whats "necessary," you're left with almost nothing
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>>153590327
>man this is a good development, but lets put this fanservice here instead
Really makes you think.
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>>153589090
I don't mind fan service, as long as it is used for only for comedic moments and isn't used too often. But I literally drop series that flash T&A in my face 24/7 just to keep my attention.
Fan service in a serious or dramatic moment is a complete mood killer and just leaves me feeling like I wasted my time getting invested.
Though I think overall it would be better without, at least if your trying to tell an actual story.
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>>153590180
Maybe you should try leaving the house once or twice.
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>>153589090
Not in general, but a show should make up it's mind if it fits the story.
Pic related got too explicit at times, TTGL and similar coming of age storys work better with it.
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>>153590303
>>153590446
You're complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.
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>>153590362
And to expand upon this idea that "it's not your call to make," I could very well make the argument that openings and endings are unnecessary. They don't advance the story at all and take up a minute or two of time that could be better spent showing more of the story. I could put forth this argument but it doesn't matter, it's not my call to make. A lot of people like watching openings and endings.
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>>153589090
No, but it would be better off it was used more appropriately rather than just being thrown randomly into scenes because they can't think of anything better to keep viewers interested.
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>>153590446
>I don't mind fan service, as long as it is used for only for comedic moments and isn't used too often
/thread closed
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>>153590480
>avoiding the question like avoiding outside
Thats not very manly
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>>153590530
>Yes please try to take seriously the characters running around in tight skimpy outfits that cover like 5% of their body. Why are you laughing!? This is meant to be serious!
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>>153590623
It's the 21st century, you moron. Nudity and sex is nothing to be embarrassed about anymore.
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I think it helps with the charm, especially if you want the attention of young teens to adults. Gives us all some candies.
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>>153590303
The "effort could be directed to something better" argument can be used for almost anything. And fanservice might be unnecessary and bad for you but for many it adds value to the anime.
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>>153590623
That's like, your opinion
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>>153590623
That usually isn't supposed to be funny. Get your head checked.
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>>153590674
You literally didn't get my point if you think I'm complaining about its explicity.
I'm talking about thematic backlash. Wrong place wrong time.
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>>153589635
>>153589666
>>153589820
>>153589723
>>153589683
I want normalfags to leave
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>>153590726
Name 3 series where that happened.
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>>153590723
Yes it isn't. My exact fucking point. Jesus.
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I don't think it makes that big of an impact all to be a hindrance.

Just give me feet and I'm happy.
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If its some generic moeblob series and theres some bath scene with no actual nudity to check a box "fanservice ;DD" then yes fanservice adds nothing.
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No, because sex and the pursuit of sex are part of being alive.

The attempt to censor or declare that a beautiful male or female body or certain parts of the male or female anatomy as "wrong" or "immature" is a war that's been waged by people trying to control what others think and how they act for years.

It use to be seen as obscene in the eyes of God, not people say it's immature or regressive or misogynistic.These are people who want to own you thought and soul. Pay them no mind. A creator gets to decide what they wish to present and the consumer gets to decide how much of that they want.
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>>153590798
/thread
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>>153590759
My point is you're a retard for finding those scenes funny.
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>>153590764
Feet is a harmless but disgusting kind of fan service.
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>>153590757
Sword art online (say what you will it's one of the most popular)
No game no life
Aldnoah zero
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>>153590798
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>>153589090

Yes. I refuse to watch TTGL and Wan Piss because of the fanservice.

Animu will always be seen as something for morbidly obese permavirgins, thanks to you waifufags who defend these shitty animu.
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>>153590842
When the show wants me to take them seriously, yes it's fucking hilarious because I can't. Are you autistic?
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>>153590873
>judging another person's feetish
What are you, an asshole?
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yeah
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>>153590914
That's nice. I could refuse to eat bananas because of the shape but it isn't the banana who's missing out.
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>>153589090
Could've been toned back a bit.
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>>153590924
If it bothers you that much you might be autistic.
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>>153589187
Even with Yoko it's forgettable mecha.
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>>153590912
Why is it wrong to look at a picture of an ass?
Why is it wrong to look at a picture of boobs?

Why is it wrong to respond to a call to courtship?
Even animals are able to do this and if the courtship is unwanted they chase off their potential partner.

Yet Humans are too stupid to even manage that half the time, instead crying or blaming everyone else for their own actions or because they don't like something.

Pitiful.
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>>153590798
There's a difference between portraying sexual themes and purposefully trying to arouse the viewer through fanservice.
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>>153590988
You have yet to make a point, asshat.
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>>153590963
Horrible analogy, kill yourself.
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>>153590891
>giving two fucks about shitty shows
fanservice only gave some relief to those awful series, if anything it improved them
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>>153591004
>purposefully trying to arouse the viewer through fanservice.
I wish they did that, the way tv anime fanservice scenes usually work out arent erotic in the slightest. Just annoying.
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>>153590986
Toning it back would add nothing. It's a coming-of-age story for teenage boys. I guarantee you that teenage boys aren't getting buttflustered over Yoko's tits and ass.
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>>153591037
My point is that your opinion makes you sound like a judgmental, no-fun allowed autist who thinks too much about the tone of some ridiculous scene that nobody else has a problem with.
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>>153590891
>No game no life
Fanservice was literally one of the main pillars of NGNL, not sure how you can think any fanservice there was out of place.
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>>153591057
It's an analogy so apt that you're actually mad.
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>>153591071
My point is their some of the most popular that try to be serious whilst shoving fanservice in your face.
Does it irritate you that much that I just think fanservice shouldn't be in a serious scene?
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>>153591001
>instead crying or blaming everyone else for their own actions

You are missing your own point, being shitty to each-other is part of our human courting ritual.
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>>153590914
>I refuse to watch TTGL and Wan Piss because of the fanservice
That's funny, I refuse to watch them because they're shit.

What's with all the normalfags in this thread?
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>>153590798

You can't trick me into fucking children, Hiruken Emperor!
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>>153591153
>their some of the most popular that try to be serious whilst shoving fanservice in your face
they don't fail at being serious because of fanservice, they can't be taken seriously because they have a dumb plot
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>>153591087
>No fun allowed
I literally said I had no problem with it being in comedy scenes....
-->>153590446
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>>153591153
If I had to say, taking itself too seriously is the main problem of SAO, it would be even worse without fanservice.
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>>153591224
That's because they prioritise fanservice over plot.
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>>153591153
What serious scenes is it in?
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>>153590446
Anno did handle fanservice well.
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>>153591266
no that's not because of that, they are just dumb shows, how fucking new are you? SAO wants to look serious? really? a fucking shounen isekai
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>>153591204
YOU ARE ALREADY PLAGUED.

THE SEED IS PLANTED.

THE SEED WILL GROW.
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This is a parody of tumblr niggers in a thread right?
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>>153591226
You might just take things too seriously in general. Lighten up.
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>>153590623

>Why the fuck is this retard wearing a cape to a fight? How is he not tripping?
>How the fuck did ten gunmen miss the MC from that range? Why did some of them just stand there?
>What the hell is that bulky ass armor? He's going to break a limb before he even reaches the enemy!
>Did he really just ride a motorcycle into a helicopter?
>How am I supposed to take any of this seriously?

I bet that you're perfectly fine with "because it's cool" or "because plot". Why do you have a problem with "because it's sexy"? If anything, a character wearing next to nothing is far more realistic than the overwhelming majority of the shit that undoubtedly falls under your scope for suspension of disbelief.

You should really ask yourself why you view this as you do. Avoid circular reasoning, i.e. "It's weird!"
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>>153590446
>choker
Slut.
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>>153590891
SAO
I thought the fanservice was actually pretty in line with the general themes.
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>>153591316
>death game where everyone can die.
Yes it did try to take itself seriously and just came off as edgy. The misplaced fanservice made it even more cringe and tasteless than it already was
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>>153591324
They're just salty hambeasts who are mad they're not getting any 3D dick tonight. So they're here to make us feel bad for liking anime titties.
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>sex sells books
>sex sells movies
>sex sells video games
>sex sells magazines
>sex sells every other product under the sun, even ones without any conceivable connection to human sexuality
>b-but how dare it sell anime!
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>>153591332
Oh my goodness, you completely misunderstood my point by a fucking mile. I'm talking about sexual fanservice.
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>>153591385
>death game where everyone can die
>Yes it did try to take itself seriously
you answered yourself, my guess is just that you are a normalfag with a terrible taste
>>>/MAL/
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>>153589090
Depends on the show. Some benefit, some don't. Its almost like execution is the key thing.
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>>153591451

So am I.
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KLK is nothing but "fan-service', and was one of the most popular among younger weeaboo males, and females. Its over the top "fan-service" became over done that you become numb to it when everyone by the end of the series is half naked.
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>>153591484
It's still the threat of death...fucking hell I'm losing brain cells in this thread
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>>153591451
God you're stupid.
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>>153591526
Kill la Kill is the deconstruction of fanservice though, it doesn't count.
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>>153591555

I honestly don't think that he even read my post.
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>>153591546
>the threat of death
>death
>in a videogame
>with fucking 15 yo characters
you're embarassing yourself
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>>153591451
>my point
your just another loser crying about anime tiddie. lighten up
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>>153591513
No you weren't. You were talking about clothing. I'm talking about the scenes that purposefully zoom in or highlight parts of the characters body during a scene that's meant to be serious.
I have no problem with that in a comedic scene. But when you throw it in a dramatic scene, it replaces it with comedy.
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>>153591604
>deconstruction of fanservice
oh no. your one of those.
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>>153591451
>sexual fanservice
You realize fanservice is sexual in nature. There is no other form of fan service you stupid fucking cunt. Go make a fucking sandwich, and eat it you fat hambeast. You sure do not have anyone to give it too.
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>>153589090
Of course it would be. Well let me qualify that. It would be better off without forced fan service. If they can fit it in somehow naturally, then it's even better.

A lot of the time it's pretty forced though.
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>>153591604
You really are stupid.
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>>153591674
You're right, KLK is a reconstruction.
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>>153591604
how is it a deconstruction
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>>153591645

Rule of sexy could apply to the camera, too.

It only interrupts the mood for you due to culture shock.
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>>153591677
Lol yes there is you dumbfuck. Fanservice is literally appealing to something the fans want.
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>>153591721
Lol yes I'm fucking terrified of bewbies lol.
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No, it's one of the things keeping anime from becoming unsalvageable mainstream cancer.
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>>153591629
>I don't know anything and am embarrassing myself.
Did you even watch the show?
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>>153590312
A lot.
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>>153591629
Oh yes because setting and age impact the threat of death. Kill yourself.
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>>153591677
Are you actually retarded? Do you not know what the term fanservice means? Its literally service for the fans, for example if a character that was dead but was beloved by the fans gets a cameo for no reason other than because he was popular then that would be fanservice. Stop making up bullshit.
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>>153591837
But japs could expand their public if SWJs liked anime too.
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>>153589090
Depends, if fansercvice it's the only thing that matters about it then it's probably trash.
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>>153591983
Not even remotely worth it.
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>>153589090
yes, much better
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Fan service is fine I literally started watching TTGL while it was airing because people were spamming that gif of Yoko's tits popping out from episode 6
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>>153589090

pic related
You think this entire show isn't fanservice? It doesn't need a fanservice episode because all of them are. What people want to see is fanservice.
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>>153591797

Where did I say anything about fear? Shock is more of a "holy fuck, this is not what I expected" reaction.

You can't use the "silly" explanation by itself if you can watch a scene where the MC kills ten armed dudes with her bare hands while flipping all over the place without having your immersion killed. The difference between the above and the MC being half-naked during the fight and getting an upclose on her bouncing boobs when she receives an uppercut is that you're not expecting the latter.
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Lol weebs so desperate to defend their ecchi crap while trying to convince others it's a good story.
Fucking mongoloids.
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>>153591604
>deconstruction of fanservice

Fanservice isn't a genre numbnuts, you can't deconstruct a narrative technique. And KLK is a satire of the maho shoujo, not a deconstruction.
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>>153592133
Wait let me get this straight. So if the MC is half naked you expect the camera to ignore it and focus on something else?
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>>153591862
>>153591933
yes I watched it, it sucks
SAO is not cringe worthy because of the fanservice, it's cringey because it represents your beloved death threat in a childish and stupid way

also >>153591983
this show just how much of a fucking normalfag you are, western people should not have influence in the anime industry; SJWs taking over would completely ruin the medium
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>>153589090
No. It actively repels the sort of people who have ruined western media.
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>>153592083
This show is shit tho
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>>153592133
And why is surprising someone with fanservice nessecary exactly? If anything it just takes you out of the tension of the fight.
Not saying don't have the boobs bounce when a female char gets smacked, obviously that's just physical movement, but why do they need to pan in on them and highlight it in the scene? Just seems silly.
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>>153590144
>Tell me, who else is so sensitive and emotionally immature that they get worked up over panty shots?

Whoever censors the one split second pantyshot and removes a scene with bouncing boobs in a strongly feminist anime like Moldiver. I just watched the american version of it and these 2 were terribly annoying. Felt like they circumcised the entire show when I know what it was meant to be like, and they still just removed ~5 sec in all.
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>>153592228
>childish
What are you spouting?
People literally die in the story how can that possibly be childish?
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>>153591983

>SJW bullshit = mainstream tastes

Have you been asleep for the past six months? I could have excused buying into this misperception two years ago, as western media was really trying to force their narrative to be reality by ignoring the parts of reality that didn't match the narrative, but that's collapsing on them so hard that it's threatening to destroy them in the process.
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>>153591368
Asuka is a virgin
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>>153592227

I'm saying that if the problem were as you (or the other poster?) described, you'd be even more bothered by the first scenario.


>>153592305

>Just seems silly.

And the flipping around isn't?
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>>153592239

You probably only watched the first episode
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>>153592420
And you're a delusional
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>>153592450
I watched it until that pathetic recap episode
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>>153592372
>People literally die in the story how can that possibly be childish?
since when is people die = mature ?
How old are you? I bet you're fucking 16 or something, if that's the case get out.

Anons I can't take it anymore, I care about this board, I really care, I don't want to see it infested by normalfags like this one, we need to take it back
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>>153589090
I think I want Yoko's ass on my face.
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>>153592228
Oh jesus, I'M NOT ASKING FOR CENSORSHIP! fucks sake, I just personally think the tension in a dramatic scene can be lessened if fanservice is just placed in their randomly.
How is someone supposed to feel invested in a scene with a character dying and giving their final words or something, then all of a sudden theirs big glossy watery jugs on the screen? It just makes it more humorous and lessens the dramatic effect.
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Also, I feel the need to point out ryona is a fairly popular type of fanservice in itself.

How does it guarantee that things aren't about to get serious, again?
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>>153592167

>you can't have boobs and panties AND a good story in the same anime

Guess what, if you add many good things into one, it gets better. One doesn't exclude the other.
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>>153592500

Your problem if you watch 6 eps of something you don't like. It's not a problem with the show.
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>>153592532
a show that does this kind of things is destined to be shit, regardless of fanservice
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>>153592437
Your missing the point. It's that's a psyical action in a fight scene. It makes sense and it provides visceral visuals since its in an action scene.
Why should their be soft core porn suddenly in an action scene.
Your confusing suspension of disbelief with thematic backlash.
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>>153589090
People should be able to create whatever content they like. It's all about execution.
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>>153592511
>since when is people die mature.
I get it now clearly I misunderstood you and thought you didn't even know that people were dying.

Which leads me to the question what about the way SAO represents death is childish?

also really
>anyone who disagrees with me is a child or a normalfags
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>>153592635
Not really, if it's executed well it can be good. You can't execute a dramatic death with soft core porn suddenly thrown in.
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>>153589090

No. Fanservice can be really fun when done right.
The fanservice in Garbriel DropOut is hilarious.

But yes, a lot of fanservice really has no reason to exist, and fanservice for no reason can be pretty obnoxious.
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Yes.
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>>153592461
Prove it, she makes it clear she has no idea about sex. Look at her reaction to Kaji and Misato having sex.
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>>153592641

What if I don't agree that the two clash? Slasher films have always loved putting girls in bikinis and making their death scenes as sexy as possible. It's even been parodied. You probably don't complain about that. Action movies generally love showing off the girl's cleavage, as well. Again, I doubt that you bring up how the director's sexy choice of direction kills tension.

As I said before, it's just culture shock on your part. You might not have a moral objection to animated boobies, but you're still not used to seeing them. That's why you have to laugh.
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>>153592885
PS. the godfather has a nude scene
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>>153590520
Didn't the plot of of that show largely consist of a shitty romance between two bland characters for the sake of yuri? I'd say fanservice is pretty fitting for that
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>>153592802
>what about the way SAO represents death is childish
i watched sao when it was airing i don't remember that much, still the whole premise of people trapped in a videogame is dumb; also I call normalfags and underage by their name

>>153592808
if the producer or director or whoever thinks using fanservice after a really serious death scene is stupid, if the creators of the show are stupid the show can't be good (in an unironic way), so the problem is not fanservice
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>>153589090
Most time, Fanservice is kind of irrelevant
I mean, for example, if you take away fanservice from a show like TTGL it won't get any better, nor any worse.
And if you take fanservice from a show like To Love Ru, then, what's the point?
And that's the case with 99% of fanservice.
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>>153592885
No actually I think that's misplaced in normal action films too. Unless it's a parody like you yourself just said.
The same with horror films, though it can work in horror films because they can use it to create terror as someone is more vulnerable when their naked and it can even imply dark sexual undertones to make it even more disturbing.
I laugh because it's so out of place and doesn't belong there. You shouldn't be laughing when somethings trying to be serious, that of course depends on how well it's executed, which incorporation of fanservice can reduce.
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>>153589090
>>153590623
Depends on the genre, setting, and characters. I personally don't mind it (unless it's loli or shota, which is a big nope), but save it for the beach/hot spring episode.

>>153590446
>>153591004
>>153591450

These.

>>153591295
>>153592811
How about Takahashi as another example? Notice how her shows didn't show tits for the sake of showing tits (again, I have no issue with this), they just had realistic scenes without having to censor much for a purpose.

>>153591677
Not that person, but they didn't mention if they were a guy or a girl; nevertheless, that's besides the point.

>>153591983
Probably not.
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>>153593037
Well yeah, incompetent writers are the main problem, I'm just saying misused fanservice can make it worse.
Sometimes they will even focus more on fanservice than the plot because they'll understand that their too incompetent to execute something properly themselves.
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>>153593037
>trapped in a videogame is dumb
Yeah I actually agree it is dumb but not childish.
I'm 26 by the way.
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>>153593203
then fanservice doesn't make it worse, if I have to watch shit I'd rather watch shit with tits and pantyshots in it
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Yes. Anime has the same problem with capeshit: supposed dramatic/important moments are dwindled because they have to make their nerd audiences pitch a tent.

Leave it to ecchi and hentai.
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>>153593258
Then it doesn't belong in a well executed scene.
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>>153593122

I seriously doubt that you crack up laughing when you're watching a live action movie and the main girl's big fight scene has her large breasts hanging prominently in front of her due to deliberate choice in clothing and cinematography.

Because it's not a culture shock.
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If fan service bothers you then you have the wrong hobby. People who complain about fan service are either overweight feminists or stuffy prudes. The funniest ones are the prudes who try to act like they're not prudes because they will "tolerate" fan service, even though that just confirms their prudish mentality.
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>>153593303
generally speaking no, but as it was posted earlier in this thread there are some exemples of well used fanservice. Also a scene is not badly executed because fanservice is in it, it's a poor scene because it's made by poor artists
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Duh. Books, shows, movies, cartoons, and even video games made their mark without fanservice being the core of their success. Why should anime have an excuse?
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>>153593258
Agreed Punchline would have been forgettable schlock if it didn't have any panties.

>>153593303
>Anything that makes bad things better automatically makes good things worse.
Written like a man who hasn't heard of hot-sauce before.
Sometimes fan-service gets in the way but that doesn't mean it is universally negative or that there aren't good shows that have fan-service that makes them better.
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>>153593303
Why not?
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>>153593371
Well no I'm not laughing, but it does take you out of the mood if they focus on her breasts instead of the visceral and physical movement of the fight.
And this mainly occurs in dumb action flicks that do everything they can to keep your attention, regardless of quality anyway. It's trash unless it's purposefully a parody.
I don't have a problem with clothing, but when your zooming in on the breasts instead of what's actually happening, it just takes away the tension.
Also anime can enhance this a lot more thanks to the freedom with animation over live action.
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It's only a problem if you're under the belief that anime is 'sophisticated' medium which should be critiqued at a similar level of scrutiny as film/drama
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>>153593456
If you think "watching anime" is a hobby, you need to rethink your life choices.
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>>153593592
While that mindset is pretty common among people who don't like fanservice, some of them are just embarrassing prudes.
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>>153593606
Go back to whatever board you came from.
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>>153593606
You shouldn't be posting on this board if watching anime isn't on your list of hobbies. Get the fuck out.
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>>153593491
>Books, shows, movies, cartoons, and even video games made their mark without fanservice being the core of their success. Why should anime have an excuse?

Came here to post this. If an industry only makes it's money through horny nerds, it is in need of some serious reevaluation.
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>>153589090
>>153593606
This entire thread and posts like these really show the low quality of /a/ these days. We have people on this board right now who complain about fan service and who do not even watch anime as a hobby. What the fuck is happening to this board?
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>>153593456

As I've said a few times in this thread, I think that the average person who's offput by fanservice is just experiencing a culture shock. Cartoons are supposed to be for kids, right? Who would whip their dick out to their eight year old niece's favorite movie? And who would admit it if they did?

Of course, they realize that late night anime aren't aimed at kids, but it's hard to just remove that correlation from their minds overnight.
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>>153593474
I agree mostly, it just takes away tension if it takes up a scene that's meant to be serious.

>>153593501
Never said it was universally bad. I think it's fine in comedy scenes.

>>153593528
It's not well executed if your spending more time on fanservice than drama in a serious scene. It removes some of the investment and tension. You'll get more carried away with the boobs rather than what's going on in the story.
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>>153593640
>>153593621
No.
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>>153593700
>It's not well executed if your spending more time on fanservice than drama in a serious scene
You just moved the goalposts. You said it doesn't belong in a well executed scene, not that it shouldn't take up more focus. Defend your original point. Why shouldn't it be in a well executed scene?
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it'd be less problematic for sure.
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>>153593680
>watching things on a screen is a hobby
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>>153593752
Yes, it is. A hobby is any kind of activity you do on your own time for fun. If people can count reading as an activity, then watching anime counts too.
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>>153593740
Ok fine I retract that then. If your meant to be taking an important and dramatic part of the story seriously, why should soft core porn be thrown in out of nowhere?
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>>153593689
I'm not buying this explanation at all. When you grill people over their objections to fan service it ultimately just boils down to it making them uncomfortable or having ideological objections to its existence and literally nothing else. I've never once encountered a person who used the excuse that cartoons are for kids so it shouldn't be present, nor anyone who had such an experience happen to them in the past. It always comes back to them just not feeling comfortable about any sexual representation in media.
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>>153593700
To further my analogy.
>I never said hot-sauce was universally bad. I think it is fine in Mexican food.
What is so special about non comedic scenes that makes fan-service not allowed for you?
Is it fine for a love scene to have fan-service?
You clearly think action scenes are out.
What about a scene with no set tone?
Is there some link between fan-service and comedy so strong in your mind that it makes you hate non-comedic fan-service?
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>>153593899
Why is nudity or sexuality at all a negative thing that automatically detracts from a scene? This sounds like you using your own values, which disparage sexuality, as objective measures of quality. Like, you've just defined "well-executed' to mean "something that doesn't include sexuality" which doesn't explain at all why sexuality is bad. You're just saying it's bad because you've defined "good" to mean an absence of sexually suggestive content. Your reasoning is circular and dependent on people taking your assertions at face value.
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>>153593957
>Is it fine for a love scene to have fan-service? ->>153591004
You don't throw soft core porn into a dramatic moment, say when a character is about to die, should you really just suddenly snap to a shot with big glossy Tits?
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>>153589090

No, I'd argue that it'd be worse, because it'd be more accessible to normalfags and then anime studios would get a sniff of the normalfag money and start going the way every other media this has gone in the past couple decades.
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>>153593917

You've seriously never encountered anyone who was okay with any sort of porn involving real people but thought that it was weird as fuck to jack off to cartoons?

Put two and two together. The objectors who don't carry a Bible with them everywhere they go or have pink hair generally object due to pure culture shock. It's weird to them, and that makes them uncomfortable.
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>>153594014
I'm more so taking about dramatic scenes in where a character is about to die or is in the fight for their life.
Sexual themes aren't the same thing as trying to appeal to fans by arousing them.
Such as scenes where characters realise their in love and start having sex, that's exploring sexual themes and it is well executed because it makes sense in the situation.
Throwing an obvious panty shot in a scene where a character is dying is misused and just feels out of place.
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>>153594103
What's wrong with tits or a bit of eroticism? It's okay to evoke other feelings: sadness, anger, joy, affection, etc, but not lust? It's not as if a bit of titillation somehow negates everything else in a story. Porn is porn because it offers nothing except satiation of lust, it's made to titillate to the exclusion of all else, anything not necessary to that effect is cut out. It does not follow that anything that titillates is automatically pornographic.
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>>153589595
U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.
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>>153594283
I encounter those people all the time, but their reasons are the ones I've already described. They're either prudes or feminists. I've never encountered these mythical people with an imaginary form of culture shock.
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>>153594365

They're hardly mythical. Normalfags are neither feminists nor prudes, and they tend to think that it's weird.
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>>153594301
Again. Your confusing sexual themes and exploration with arousing the viewer when the show is trying to make you care about something going on.
See my other response.>>153594296
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>>153594423
I don't claim to know what the vast majority of normalfags are like. I've met plenty who don't have any objections to Japanese cartoon porn. The ones who object, invariably, are prudes or feminists. The prudes being far more numerous than the feminists.
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>>153594461
>Your confusing sexual themes and exploration with arousing the viewer
He literally said it's okay to evoke lust on the viewer
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I love lewd shit but I hate infantile shit that's just WOW LET'S JIGGLE BIG BOOBIES XD

Good fanservice>no fanservice>bad fanservice

that's why Cat is the worst thing in monogatari series
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>>153594461
>Your confusing sexual themes and exploration with arousing the viewer
No I'm not. I don't even know how you could think this unless you literally do not know what the words "titillation" and "eroticism" mean. I was being very explicit in what I was talking about. You obviously just chose to ignore this so you could set out your little straw-man argument again.

Reread my post and this time don't assume you know what it says. Actually read it.
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>>153594576
Yes but why should that be in a scene where the focus is meant to be on a character dying or fighting in a desperate battle? It serves no purpose other than to arouse you when it's so out of place.
This only works in parodies or comedies as it breaks the immersion suddenly to make you laugh.
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>>153594662
>it's so out of place
It's only out of place because you think it is out of place. I for one don't mind it.
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>>153594624
Ok well sorry for the mix up, but I think this is a better response.
>>153594662
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>>153594296
And yet again you've engaged in circular reasoning by defining "good" as "non-sexual". You seem really averse to explaining why sexual content is bad. How about we start there: explain to me in simple language what your problem with sexual content is and why it's not compatible with the scenes you described. You just seem to take it as a given I will agree with everything you say. Well, I'm not.
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>>153594103
>I have created a magical mystical straw-movie where all scenes are death scenes?
How many people are about to die in a love scene?
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>>153594715
So you'd still be able to take a characters death completely seriously if they were cartoonishly shown with panty shots and giant Tits?
Eh well to each their own.
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>>153589635
Why does /pol/ come to /a/ when anime is degenerate? How the fuck do you think you can come here and preach from a polack perspective when you're outright failing at being a polack?
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>>153594787
>defining "good" as "non-sexual"
Why is this kind of shit so embedded in western culture?
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>>153594464

Your problem is that you're taking a view where everybody sits under one of two polar extremes: either they like it or they want to take it away from those who do.

Most people who grew up under a western value system believe in "live and let live", which means that even if they're uncomfortable, they'll generally tolerate it without getting all offended and authoritarian. They'd want the same done for them, after all.

I've met plenty of normalfags who were okay with anime but either busted up laughing or kinda sighed when fanservice occurred. They also find it ridiculous that people jack off to anime. These people are experiencing culture shock.
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>>153594662
It's no more out of place than humor is in a sex scene, or something dark and unsettling in a comedic scene, or something touching and heartwarming in a tragic scene. Yet I have a feeling you wouldn't object strenuously to mixing those emotional cues. So what is it about T&A that makes it incompatible with "serious" scenes?
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>>153594890

Christianity, followed by the unfortunate blending of identity-based Marxism into Christianity's fear of sex (feminism).
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>>153594890
Prudishness. That word doesn't just mean a religious nut crazy for Jesus, Prudishness long ago divorced its religious connotations in the west. You very often find people with an inexplicable discomfort for sexuality.
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>>153594787
I have no problem with sexual content in scenes that are meant to show romance between characters or are purposefully comedic.
I'm just saying what's the point in having it in a scene that your meant to take seriously like a battle or a death scene. If an author wants to make a fight scene comedic with fanservice then fine, but I'm not going to be entirely invested in the tension since its purposefully comedic.
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>>153594837
>the worst thing I could think of is bad so everything between that and what I like is bad

The only anime where this is actually the case is queen's blade.
Why are you using hyperbole to prove your argument?
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>>153589187
>>153591000
>TTGL forgettable.
I fucking wish but Niafags still wont shut the fuck up about their dumb cunt dying to this very day.
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>>153594909
Sorry I I'm just seeing similar arguments so I'm referring to my other posts.
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>>153589478
This. Fanservice is pretty much all anime is anymore. Anime should be relabeled as soft hentai/fetish animation.
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>>153594902
>Your problem is that you're taking a view where everybody sits under one of two polar extremes: either they like it or they want to take it away from those who do
I never said anything of the sort, but that straw-man sure is easier to tackle than my actual argument I guess.
>I've met plenty of normalfags who were okay with anime but either busted up laughing or kinda sighed when fanservice occurred. They also find it ridiculous that people jack off to anime
I've never met any of these people and their behavior sounds inexplicable to me. Also neither of these people sounds like they object to fan service at all. They clearly find it funny and "ridiculous."
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>>153594890
USA was filled with puritans since the beginning.
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>>153595001
I'm quite sure it's very much prevalent in a lot of action based serious anime. Especially light novels, which regardless of what you think of them, are very popular now.
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>>153595062
Your post doesn't answer my question: why is sexual content bad? Why does it automatically detract from the scene? The post you linked to just makes the same implicit, circularly-defined argument: that scenes are ruined by adding sexual content to them. You construct these hypothetical scenarios to illustrate your logic but I'm objecting to your underlying premise. You know, the one you're refusing to actually acknowledge or defend.
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>>153589090
>Do you think anime would be better off without fan service?
Fuck off with your prudishness. When has art ever benefited from removing elements that offend someone's sensibilities?

Besides, nips don't even restrict the idea of fanservice to eroticism. Long, slow pans of the latest Gundam model are fanservice. Knowing winks to obscure fan trivia are fanservice. A beautifully detailed real-place background is fanservice.
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>>153592988
You mean entirely exist. Nobody liked the show for the plot other than ravenous c/u/nts.
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>>153595138
>I am sure it is quite prevalent.
Pretty vague for someone so convinced about this topic.

You said
>So you'd still be able to take a characters death completely seriously if they were cartoonishly shown with panty shots and giant Tits?

Name 5 anime that do this.
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>>153595184
>Your post doesn't answer my question: why is sexual content bad?
Because instead of a character being a character it makes them nothing more then a sex object that means nothing.
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>>153592209
Calling fanservice a "narrative technique" is like calling farts music.
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>>153589090
Yes, because there wouldnt be much of a stigma attached to watching anime. Most normies nowadays think that anime is all about the fan service.
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>>153595384
Why can't they be both?
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>>153595395
Good. That means they won't try to take over anime like they took over videogames.
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>>153595184
--->>153594992
I don't think sexual content is BAD, I just think it's misused in scenes that don't nessecarily require it.
Say if two characters are having a deep conversation that's meant to be important, they're not related romantically but are just friends, like their talking about a war thats coming, a threat, and the camera keeps panning and zooming in on sexually appealing parts of one of their body, don't you think it lessens the impact and tension building that the scene was meant to make in the first place?
These kind of situations are quite common in a lot of anime.
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Why does neo-/a/ hate TTGL?
Where did this come from?
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>>153594992
Round and round you go! Refusing to address the central point to each my posts, continually skirting the edges. You have the classic prude mentality. Sexuality makes you uncomfortable so you want it separated from everything else in the story. You don't want it coloring your entertainment except in isolated scenes you can skip over and pretend don't exist when you talk about the show in polite company. People who are comfortable with sexuality either appreciate it or else don't care about it when it shows up, they barely notice it. The only people who complain about it are the ones who can't help but notice it and who find it "distracting" (another favorite word used by prudes).

Based on all the posts I've read by you, it's pretty clear you're a typical prude who's rationalized his dislike of sexuality as some kind of aesthetic appreciation of the arts.
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>>153589090
No, it lets shit sell that would flop otherwise, without lonely otaku there would be way less money flowing into the industry. How many figma sales and shit are based on people wanting to fuck a particular character?

>>153589595
Shit like this can go away though.
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>>153595384
What, sexuality isn't a form of characterization? While sex object is a feminist buzzword, your reasoning seems more in line with the prude camp.
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>>153595384
People have sex every day without suddenly becoming objects, do you really think the instant a character has sex it suddenly loses every other aspect of it's characterization? A character had sex so suddenly they no longer have a past, motivations, flaws, fears, and loves? Just because you're some kind of sick sociopath doesn't mean the rest of us are.
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>>153595417
Because the majority of anime completely overdo it to the point where not only does the character become meaningless but the fanservice as well.
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>>153595384
>nothing more
Why does it subtract? Why do tits remove other character traits?
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>>153595395
So what? Why do you care what they think? Are you that much of an adolescent craving acceptance by mommy and daddy?
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>>153595509
>literally "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!" the post
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>>153595540
I disagree.
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>>153595365
I gave a scenario to suggest how fanservice doesn't fit such moments which could relate to anything your meant to take serious
Akame game kill
One piece
Phantom world
Fairy tail
Mirrai nikki
Say what you will about them but they're some of the most popular.
Of course I'm not saying all anime do this but most hold similar traits.
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>>153595540
>majority of anime
I bet you can't even name 20 anime "ruined" by fan service. And in all likelihood it's just your lonely opinion that the anime was "ruined" because you're just an uptight prude who hates sexual content, so no shit you'll rate anything that features a panty shot extremely low.
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>>153595384
>character
>sex object
Pick one.
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>>153589090
this is from simon's point of view, so it's okay
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>>153593491
>>153593674
>Books, shows, movies, cartoons, and even video games made their mark without fanservice being the core of their success.
The sad thing is you believe this. The greatest examples of every medium you listed are littered with T&A, erotica, explosions, gun porn, and wish fulfillment on almost every level. Have you never read a book in your life? Entertainment media exists to do one thing: entertain. You think people were less into sex, violence and self insertion a thousand years ago than they are today?
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>>153595688
I've only seen 4 of those and off the top of my head I can't think of any scenes ruined by fan service. It sounds more like you're just projecting your dislike of sexuality.
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>>153595511
>>153595539
Wow you're arguments are very starman
>They have sex therefor you're saying their not characters anymore.

First of all, most anime characters aren't exactly deep to begin with. Thrown in endless amounts of pantie shots and that's basically all they become. It might as well be a hentai where girls interchangeable and mean nothing.
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>>153595743
Prudes have a weird view of human nature. They place sexuality extremely low in their own value system and so assume it must be the same everywhere and with everyone.
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>I'm just saying what's the point in having it in a scene that your meant to take seriously like a battle or a death scene.
You remember that first episode of Texhnolyze? Ichise's fight promoter's mistress is naked and trying to screw him. He rejects her and ends up getting dismembered for it. Were you unable to take it seriously because you could see her tits? Because it was sexual?
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>>153595688
>Mirrai nikki

Show was garbage, but at least the fanservice did serve a purpose: you're supposed to feel attracted to Yuno, or else the ending just flat out doesn't work. Wanted to stick your penis in her dumb mouth really helps with that.
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>>153595464
Ok well thanks for misrepresenting my argument based on your own personal preference. You seem to not understand the concept of thematic clash, which I've demonstrated why it exists and distinguished it from how seperation of them works in other areas. Guess we're both going in circles according to you.
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>>153595773
So what? What's wrong with evoking lust? You act like this is something that's obviously bad, like everybody is like you and hates sexual content because it makes them uncomfortable. Including these things doesn't somehow lower the quality of something either.
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>>153595820
Do you think it's possible that these series you've seen with this thematic clash were just plain bad series regardless of sexual content?
Can you offer any clear examples of what you're talking about rather than vague generalisations?
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> all fan service

No

> most fan service

Yes
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>>153595796
Yeah I'm talking about random cuts to obvious shots of cleavage and such.
Your talking about sexual themes not purchase fanservice.
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>>153595773
They are, depending on the content. There are plenty of serious shows that have little to no fanservice in the medium.
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>>153595773
>Thrown in endless amounts of pantie shots and that's basically all they become.
You need to stop assuming everyone else thinks panty shots reduce characters to unpersons, m8.

>>They have sex therefor you're saying their not characters anymore.
>instead of a character being a character [sexual content] makes them nothing more then a sex object
It's not a strawman if it's directly refuting the argument you made.
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>>153595820
>You seem to not understand the concept of thematic clash, which I've demonstrated why it exists
The only thing you've demonstrated is that you refuse to explain why there is a "clash." I've asserted there isn't one. You refuse to acknowledge this and just keep acting like your position is the correct one. You keep insisting that there's some kind of incompatibility with sexual content and other emotional cues, when I've already shown that what you call "thematic clashes" are in fact common in media. For fuck's sake, Shakespeare himself coined the term "bittersweet" to describe this kind of mixture of emotional content. For some reason though you've concluded arousal can't possibly be mixed with tension or sadness. Yet you won't explain why.
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>>153595689
>I bet you can't even name 20 anime "ruined" by fan service.
Yeah, and hear in lies the obvious subjective part of this conversation. I'll name my twenty anime and you'll find a reason to minimize all of them. Even if you agreed with me, you would never admit it anyway.
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>>153595887
>>153595688
Yes because it's usually the author trying to push fanservice over a narrative that can make it crap. Sex sells.
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>>153595688
>Akame game kill
All fan-service was limited to non action non serious scenes.
>One piece
I don't even watch this shit but last time I checked nami aint dead yet.
>Phantom world
Nobody dies if I remember correctly.
>Fairy tail
I dont even watch this but last time I checked blond nami aint dead yet.
>Mirrai nikki
Holyshit this is the worst example because the entire point of this show is Crazypant's Mc. Psyco and her undying lust for the protagonist.
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>>153594846
They don't, you just delusionally believe so when /v/ are the ones always making these types of threads.
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>>153595820
This. You can have comedy and fanservice, and romance and fanservice. Both scenarios are mutually exclusive.
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>>153591604
I agree, Kill La Kill is the exception
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>>153596022
Those series ARE all utter aimed at young boys going through puberty, why the fuck are you surprised they're heavy on sexy young girls?
Do you honestly consider any of those high brow entertainment or believe they have any merit on their plot or writing alone?
You're seriously delusional.
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>>153595987
It more or less depends on which, how, and why those shows were ruined by it, in my opinion.
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>>153595985
My god it's deja vu
>>153594992
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>>153595987
I doubt I could convince you that you're wrong about them because in your mind they're already damned for violating your Prudish values. The point was to illustrate your lack of knowledge and exposure to the medium. I have no interest in trying to convert prudes, if it were possible I would have perfected the method long ago. I now resign myself to the dreary task of making prudes aware that they are, in fact, prudes. Since many of them are in denial of this fact and it causes them no end of grief. They continue to seek out entertainment that offends them without appearing to realize why this is, and so they remain in a perpetual state of butthurt. Once you come to terms with the fact that you are a miserable prude you can maybe adjust your hobbies to suit your values, or else maybe get over them.
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>>153595985
My distinguishment is comedic fanservice and romantic fanservice. How is this so hard to understand?
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>>153596184
Your post didn't explain anything. At all. You just keep reasserting the same thing over and over again and now I'm convinced you don't even realize you're doing it. I ask you to explain why you think sexual content is bad, then you proceed to give examples of how it ruins things using the premise that it is bad. You claim you don't have any problems with it, but the mere fact you object to its presence in certain scenes proves the exact opposite. You do have a problem with it and feel it detracts from a scene. I've pointed out that there's plenty of other "clashes" where emotional cues mix together yet you didn't comment on that at all, and just go back to asserting your original premise.
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>>153589090
Needs to be balanced out with more sexy hunks.
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>>153596126
Oh so demographics have to be specifically dumbed down? HxH is great and it's for the same age range and mostly avoids uncomedic fanservice.
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>>153595948
>I have no problem with sexual content in scenes that are meant to show romance between characters or are purposefully comedic.
Texhnolyze's scene there involved neither romance nor comedy, so don't say "romance... or purposefully comedic" if you don't mean it. You'd just shown you have no problem with sexual content in a tense, depressing scene.

Sexual content also is not limited to cleavage cutaways, so don't say "sexual content" if you don't mean it. Though that scene certainly had obvious shots of her cleavage, so I don't see why you think you can run off with the goalposts here.

Finally, grow up and learn how much depth of emotion can be achieved by juxtaposing heavily conflicting or normally exclusive themes. (Not just comedy and "pure love," think of how fear combined with lust is so powerful). Especially when it comes to ways sexuality can make people uncomfortable, it's a damned powerful tool for any author.
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NO.
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>>153596385
I am a heterosexual male and even I know this is true.
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>>153596298
Sexual content is not automatically comedic or romantic. It's it's own thing. It evokes its own response: lust. Lust is a vector all on its own. You are objecting to how it is paired with other emotional vectors in a scenario because you have this misguided belief it must only be allowed in certain combinations.
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>>153596398
HxH is fucking full of fanservice.
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>>153596184
People are asking WHY you think it clashes, WHY you can't take a scene seriously if it's in one. All you've said is that it does.
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>>153596385
Omnipandering is proof that god loves us.
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>>153596487
the best kind of fanservice too
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>>153590798
>>153591204
>>153591318
On the other hand, if you say you were controlled into wanting to fuck fat assed little girls, you can escape all responsibility.

Take that, Hiruken.
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>>153596320
I've pointed out how it can reduce tension by clashing comedy with ultimatum drama. Do you think a funny scene works well with a moment that's meant to be serious? Dont you think that takes away the tension? This is what I've been talking about throughout this entire thread.
I've already pointed out the differences between romantic fanservice and comedic fanservice yet you seem to not understand why comedy clashing with drama simultaneously can ruin the atmosphere.
Or you just have simple tastes.
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>>153596186
You can keep calling me a prude all you want but that doesn't make it true. If I'm going to watch stupid girls being overly sexualised nobodies I'll stick to hentai. If I want an anime where characters are more then the sum of their ass, tits, and pussy, then I'll watch shows without an overly ridicules amount of that shit in it.
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>>153596487
>comedic fanservice.
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>>153595634
How did you even come to that conclusion? All I did was give a specific example of fanservice that I could personally do without, you're free to enjoy it, it doesn't bother me, I just don't like it.

I don't think Monogatari should be WITHOUT fanservice, but it's gotten to be a little much.

There's a big difference between panty shots, and a character showing their panties.
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Some would, some wouldn't. It suits shows like KlK, EVA, and the Monogatari series which have already been mentioned because those are geared towards exploring sexuality anyway. They don't all handle it well in my opinion but the effort shows.
A lot of shows don't do much with it though and it's a pity that the market forces the creators to cram it in anyway. Then it's just porn, essentially. I don't mind porn in my anime but I don't watch it for that either and I could do without it.
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>>153596625
>I like peanut butter and I like jelly but anyone who mixes the two can go fuck themselves.
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>>153596587
>romantic fanservice and comedic fanservice
Are you sure you're not underaged? You know there are more uses of eroticism than romance and comedy. It's not a subset of those groups.
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>>153596705
This thread in a nutshell
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>>153596625
You still haven't explained why ass, tits and pussy remove other things.
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>>153589595
>USACHAN
GOD BLESS
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>>153596587
>Do you think a funny scene works well with a moment that's meant to be serious?
Well, the whiplash many comedies (Gintama, Senyuu, etc) pull on me is absolutely fantastic. Not every author can do it well, but that's no basis for saying it never works.
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>>153596720
>more uses of eroticism
Yes, like desperately trying to keep the viewers attention through tasteless fanservice to cover up their inept writing skills. Nothing wrong with enjoying it, just don't try to tell me it makes a scene good.
Pornography isn't well written my friend.
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>>153596729
Look upon the state of the anime industry and weep.
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ITT: Yuropoors.
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>>153596628
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>153596793
Yeah but that's obviously because their parodies so it works for them. During the more serious parts, they try to keep the comedy and drama separate.
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>>153596825
do americans really like this shit? Jesus
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Depends on if it's supposed to be serious or not
It's about tone, it just so happens that not a lot of anime is super serial business
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What's an example of sexual fanservice disrupting a serious scene
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>>153596882
Comedic fanservice as in its meant to make you laugh, the fanservice used in HxH is quite clearly comedic and doesn't tend to interfere with the more serious moments.
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>>153596705
>Fucking food analogies

Threads over, everyone go home.

>I like pizza and applesauce, but anyone who mixes the two can go fuck themselves.
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>>153596889
>During the more serious parts, they try to keep the comedy and drama separate.
Bullshit, don't try to tell me how they do it when you clearly haven't read or watched them.
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>>153596916
kizumonogatari part 1 and part 2
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>>153596890
It looks pretty tasty tbqh famalamadingdong
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>>153596955
When has fanservice interrupted the serious parts in those movies? It had plenty of it, but as far as I'm concerned if you were distracted by tits during the drama that's probably your own fault.
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>>153596954
Gintamas shit lol. Mess of reference comedy and unbalanced themes.
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>>153596952
Just for you I am going to purchase some applesauce and put it on a pizza and eat it with a smile.
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>>153596951
>the fanservice used in HxH is quite clearly comedic and doesn't tend to interfere with the more serious moments.
The shirtless scenes of the guys in the middle of fights are also fanservice. Crossdressing Kurapika, Pitou's everything. That's fanservice.
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>>153596625
>oversexualized nobodies
Can you please elaborate this and name some examples?
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>>153589090
>Would anything be better without misogyny ?
Yes I believe.
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>>153597178
People have been asking this all thread, the guy's trolling.
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>>153596761
Really. If a girl is nothing but a cookie cutter shit that do nothing but flash ass and tits, you're telling me that makes them a character?

I hate to use an SJW word but I'll use it if it actually fits. That is objectification of a character. Period. I honestly don't give a shit about it but at least admit that's what it is and move the fuck on.
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>>153597160
Yes? Is it meant to be sexual? They take their shirts off to initiate nen and prepare for combat or training. To display strength.
Kurapika had an obvious reason to cross dress to disguise himself. He didn't just do it randomly. And pitou? Are her breasts and arse sticking out with the camera closing up on her in a sexual way? No. They're not.
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Man, Gurren Lagann really laid off the ass shot after the first couple episodes. What a load of shit.
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>>153597361
>is nothing but
Why does she have to be nothing but that? Why can't sexuality be part of a whole character?
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Sort of. Fanservice that doesn't dominate the scene is fine.
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>>153597369
In that case, do you have zero complaints about pantyshots as long as there's a plot justification?

Also I absolutely promise you that if you're into guys, the things I mentioned are as sexual and titillating as any of the fanservice you've been complaining about. Quit being such a close-minded ass.
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>>153597479
Because it's usually not just a "part" but because basically what they are.
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>>153597416
It was still full of fanservice, just not the sexual kind.
It switched over to mecha and plot related fanservice.
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>>153597361
>nothing but a cookie cutter
If the character was already shit, fanservice doesn't make it more shit and you wouldn't care about them with or without it.

I'm asking why you think a character who isn't shit is ruined by having fanservice shots of them. As an example let's the in GitS SAC, why do the ass shots make the Major a worse character?
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>>153597485
Asuka vs the Eva series in EoE was 100% pure fanservice and rightly considered one of the greatest scenes in anime.
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>>153589090
It needs a balance.
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>>153597099
Okay, do it and post pics.
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>>153597276
No wonder everyone else is falling for it. All this heated discussion over some fucking pantyshots.
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>>153597361
Objectification theory is unproven crap, a sociological theory rather than a hard science theory. You're begging the question.

You also started this conversation chain by saying it makes something that was a character into not-a-character. To be a character in the first place they obviously will have some collection of characterization elements (personality, back story, motives, whatever), so why have you changed it to "a girl is nothing but a cookie cutter shit" now?
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>>153597486
>disguising yourself to sneak past enemies
>panty shot because...reasons

Your using false equivalences. And do men have breasts? Why is it that male boxers fight shirtless whereas female boxers wear tops? Either way it's not intended to get your rocks off.
An obvious panty shot or cleavage shot that is obviously sexualized IS.
Again, Please stop using false equivalences.
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>wonderful harem comedy
>after big success of the series, s2 abandons plot and go full fanservice
>you drop it

say its name, /a/
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Nah. In fact, if fanservice was added to some anime it'd be better. Like the boring pile of shit that is K-on.
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I thought fanservice was distasteful until I watched Monogatari. It's so over the top on purpose that it provides a comic relief from the drama, and it stimulates some funny and interesting dialogues.
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>>153597719
Same thing goes with a pan-up of a shirtless guy, or a close-up of his crotch.
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>>153589090

It's occasionally forced in where it doesn't belong. I have less problem with the fan service itself than the actual context of it.
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>>153597719
>Either way it's not intended to get your rocks off.
You only think this shit's not sexual because it's not making you, personally, horny. Do you really think author's don't know they can pull some peripheral demographics in with some manservice?

And this is HxH that started this, for crying out load. Togashi draws trap Kurapika because he likes traps, it is absolutely for his and the fan's gratification.
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>>153597719
Female boxers fight with tight tops because if they didn't they would be at a disadvantage.
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>>153597871
>in a fight
What pan ups on the crotch are there like that in HxH exactly? I only saw men displaying their strength in combat like knuckle or morel. They weren't trying to physically attract people nor did madhouse portray them as such. Not as far as any serious moments go in the show. It's always comedy when they do anything eveb remotely like that as with hisoka coming out of his bath.
Your just making shit up at this point.
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>>153597719
>Why is it that male boxers fight shirtless whereas female boxers wear tops?
Because their tits would flop around. Shit's not like in anime, titties bouncing isn't really pleasuring (so I've heard).
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>>153598097
First of all, I wasn't specifically talking about HxH. Second, I'm not even the same guy that was talking to you; I just wanted to throw in a second opinion.
Third, as I've said before, while comedy and fanservice are mutually exclusive, they can both be used by their own separate accounts (reinstating my first point).
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>>153597907
Your Implying he was intentionally going for that. How the hell would you know? What if he just wants to draw the characters like that? It's in now way depicted sexually either. Your making judgements out of their design.

And this doesn't interfere with serious moments either. If you happen to coincidentally get off to it that's on you.
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>>153598305
OK...well I was adressing his point on HxH so I don't see why you even got involved.
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368 replies for this fucking garbage thread. Come on.
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>>153598430
Must've been a mix-up.
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>>153597871
Frankly, having a guy's shirt flip up for a brief shot of his abs is a decent equivalent to panty shots. Brief and exciting thrill, though it's a little lacking in the "forbidden" quality.

I think one of the weirder comparisons is some nip art recently asserting you could get ZR from a guy's socks/ankles visible under his pants leg.

>>153598329
>How the hell would you know? What if he just wants to draw the characters like that?
It's because he wants to draw stuff like that that it's fanservice. It's part of his tastes, he adds them to please himself and his fans. (And not just HxH, YYH and that scrapped idea with the trap protag also showed it).

>And this doesn't interfere with serious moments either. If you happen to coincidentally get off to it that's on you.
Oh look, you finally made it to the point. You might coincidentally get off on something, that doesn't mean it inherently interferes with a scene. I don't get off to a pair of bouncing tits; thus I don't think a shot of them is a jarring interruption. It's just a body part.
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>>153596976
It looks like the peanut butter is bleeding.
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>>153598585
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>>153589595
>USACHAN

Even the anime industry itself recognises us.
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>>153598689
Exact moment I dropped it.
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>>153598527
False equivalence. Again...
Togashi is displaying characters strength in combat whilst fighting. IT. MAKES. SENSE. TO. THE. SITUATION. It's obvious that he's using it to increase the tension of a fight scene.

Have Tits bounce around that fill the screen that are clearly being sexualized and HIGHLIGHTED for no other reason than to get you off is just dumb. What other fucking reason would they do that?
This is getting tiresome.
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>>153598825
>sexualized and HIGHLIGHTED for no other reason than to get you off is just dumb
I believe it was Monogatari that did a ridiculously long and detailed shot of a girl's panties, purely to emphasize the MC's characterization as a lustful dude. Many of these protags are young, horny men who will naturally sneak peeks at boobs. You have a pathetically shit pool of examples to draw from if you can't even think of obvious reasons like that.
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>>153589090
>asking /a/ about fanservice
>/a/

Why do you think most of the weebs here watch anime in the first place?
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It depends on the anime. Sometimes it takes away from the anime in question, but usually it doesn't really matter or sometimes even adds to the series.
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>>153598936
Oh my fucking God. You've completely derailed from action to slice of life. Just how inept are you!?
I GET THAT. but we were specifically talking about action scenes. You've gone to comedic fanservice to show a characters traits. Utterly avoided the discussion.
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>>153599147
>You've completely derailed from action to slice of life.
You mean you keep pretending you only meant extremely narrow categories (Not all fanservice, just comedic and romantic! Not all shows, just action! Not all lewdness, just female!) to try to run away from your ever-weakening arguments.
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>>153597201
Don't twist my words, faggot
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>>153599239
Lol you brought up action with hxh and you still can't understand why romantic fanservice and comedic fanservice work within their own realms.
It's different for females because men have more muscle and in battle it's obviously used to show their strength, not to sexualize them. The same can be done for female characters but I clearly made the distinction by showing how breasts can be sexualized as they hold no reason as to imply the females strength. Their only highlighted for sex appeal.
Your vision is warped.
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>>153589187
Holy shit
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>>153590932
>feetish
Well played anon, I laughed more than I should've
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Do you think my life would be better without a penis?
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>>153599512
>romantic fanservice and comedic fanservice work within their own realms.
These are your own little imaginary definitions, m8, of course I can't understand what the fuck you mean. Eroticism is eroticism, comedy is comedy, romance is romance. You can use these in combination with each other, but you act like the only categories of fanservice are "comedic" and "romantic". This thread already contains some examples of "unsettling" or "scary" sexual fanservice in Texhnolyze and Mirrai Nikki. This guy up here put it well >>153596474

>not to sexualize them.
And I've already told you, you only think that because you don't see a man's chest as something that can be sexualized. It really is, and "it shows off their strength" is just as much of a justification as "it shows what the MC is thinking about," so either you should be fine with both or fine with neither.
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>>153599800
Ok I can see that.
I guess looking back my main problem with fan service is when an author relies on it to carry a series, once they stop being able to produce good writing.
Sorry for getting so heated. I should've looked at that earlier. I was thinking about romantic fanservice as in that way. Guess I stuck to it too much.
Apologies anon, I done goofed.
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>>153589090
I NEED that ass on my face RIGHT NOW.
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>>153589090
No. Some anime would be better with less fanservice though, because sometimes it takes up screentime that could be spent elsewhere, probably because of the writer's poor writing skills.
Now that's true for generic fanservice scenes (panty shots, girls in skimpy clothes etc.) but the following episode formats and tropes should be purged from the face of the Earth:
>it's a beach episode!
>it's a pool episode!
>it's a hot springs episode!
>MC walks in on a naked girl, she punches him
>MC stumbles, he falls over the girl and grabs her tits, she punches him
>any variation of the two above
They're not funny. They're not original. There are zero redeeming qualities about those tropes.

This whole thing I wrote does not apply to fanservice-based and SoL anime. Except for the MC-beating trope. That one can burn.
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>>153589090
The basement dweller's money goes to keep anime alive in the long run.
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>>153595459
/a/ hates anything popular and/or well liked
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>>153589090
Depends on the show, but in general no. We need less fan service is SoL I would say though. Because I'm usually watching that for comfy not unwanted boner popping
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>>153589187
THIS
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>>153592461
>>153591368
I really wish some of you had the gall to post garbage like this without anonymity. Eat shit and die, kid.
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>>153594902
it has nothing to do with shock, it's just insecurity. they don't want to be known as "that guy who jacks it to anime" because they're afraid that would imply they can't get real women or something, so they have to loudly signal to let everyone know that they don't enjoy anime titties. they're basically the modern version of "I read playboy for the articles."
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>>153589090
Yeah.

99% of the time it adds nothing to the plot or character other than telling viewers to get hard, wet or anything in between and buy merch of them.
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>>153590111
you hit the nail on the head.
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>>153590548
Holy fuck that's some bad push ups going on there.
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>>153590914
The thing people like you fail to realize is that sexual fanservice is not the reason why anime is viewed poorly. It's just the excuse. Take away the tits and ass, and something else will become the reason why anime is disliked.

>>153590963
kek
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>>153600129
Hey, I'll always be impressed by any anon who can change their mind or withdraw from a stance and willingly admit it.
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>>153590302

It's true.

Her entire being is a miracle of the universe.
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>>153602817
Why is it ok to watch TV shows and movies where the characters fuck on screen but when it comes to drawings some people have such a radically different perception?
Also the implication that only hardcore otaku can get aroused by drawings while normalfags are disgusted by them is ridiculous.
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>>153600277

Get in line.
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>>153602817
I should have added:
and even if you do take away everything that supposedly makes anime unpalatable it won't make the complainers like anime. It will just make them stop caring.
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>>153589090
It's fine, I'd just rather the show not be completely focused on that. We have doujins after all
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Anime would be better if feminists would just stop pointing faults.

Seriously, Fanservice is the only thing that keeps feminists away from anime because of muh sexualization and muh objectification. There is a strong relation between fanservice and Japanese view of women.
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Fanservice is the normie barrier that keeps anime a largely counter-culture medium and allows so many creative, diverse anime to be made. Without it, the medium would go mainstream and be incorporated into the Hollywood model.
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>>153589416
whale detected
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>>153589464
>sexualisation

why don't you watch hollywood and american serials like Supergirl or whatever. Anime is not for you, am sorry.
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>>153591526
>you become numb to it when everyone by the end of the series is half naked
That's literally the statement behind the entire show.
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>>153590623
Because we men love Yoko. As a girl, you won't get this, please let us live and love.
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>>153589090
Fat feminist jealous of attractive 2d girls because men prefer 2d over a fat feminist

/thread
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>>153589090
No, but it would be better off with good directing and timing of fanservice as well as the incorporation of it in the plot/universe/characters (plugsuits in Eva, bodysuits in Horizon, ARRRG's viewpoint, token characters)
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>>153590480
>Pokemon
>Dragonball
>YuGiOh
>Ghibli films
>Anything on adult swim/toonami
>not mainstream
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>>153590180
>Anime is mainstream as fuck
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>>153590623
Eva confirmed comedy show
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Anybody who complains about there being to much fan service doesn't actually understand why it exist. Almost all of their arguments boil down to

Remove fan service -> More mature stories
and
Remove fan service -> Larger market

But unfortunately just because something is "mature" or doesn't have fan-service doesn't mean that story quality will improve. All you are doing are moving the "shitty fan service authors" into a different genre. Its not like better "mature" stories will be created.

Regarding "getting a larger market", what people don't seem to understand is that the current industry is completely risk based. Companies create 2-4 cheap risky anime in hopes that at least 1 will be a success. This means there are a lot of niche/crappy shows.

Changing a core aspect of the series for "broader appeal", just means you start homogenizing your shows. Eventually running into the case where you kill off original series.
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>>153589187
>without Yoko triggering death flags TTGL is a forgettable mecha
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>>153589187
without kamina TTGL is a forgettable anime
without goku DBZ is a forgettable anime
without pokemon pokemon is a forgettable anime
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>>153589090

No, not at all. But I do have to admit that some shows bank too heavily on fan service and don't bother so much with making a compelling story or characters. Senran Kagura is a great example of that, I love the character designs and the general premise, but they're so focused on fan service it just drags the rest of the show down

That's not e best example, just one that came to mind
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>>153589090
Depends on how it's used. There's a weird area where my tolerance of fanservice is. A little bit here and there is fine, but some shows are ridiculous with it when it isn't necessary. However, some shows become so ridiculous that I find enjoyment in the absurdity in them. Shows like Keijo (obviously) and Hotd are in this category for me. Basically, there's an area that I hate where the fanservice is too crazy to enjoy, but not crazy enough to break my suspension of disbelief and put me in awe.
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If you look at fanservice in black and white with no in between youre retarded. Its all about how its pulled off and what the directors intent is.
Strike Witches has tons of good fanservice, and it works because its just meant to be a fun silly cute slice of life/action show
In KLK the fanservice is literally there to prove a point and send a message throughout the whole show.
Cowboy Bebop is another good example. The way the show does it just with Fei and isnt filled to the brim with floppy tits was great. Imagine if the more stoic/emotional scenes were undercut by focusing on Fei's ass or something.
>but muh ttgl
The Yoko fanservice was there just to cut the tension on purpose. Notice how a lot of the cuts of her tits/ass are from Simon's perspective, a horny 14 year old boy. If they actually wanted to make fanservice a main focus then the scenes with any of the girls would have all gone way differently

ALSO TITIES AND ASS I LOVE ME SOME TITTIES AND SOME ASS
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>>153606337

>In KLK the fanservice is literally there to prove a point and send a message throughout the whole show

What message? I missed something?
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>>153606562
Senketsu tells her that she becomes more powerful the less self conscious she is. So the fanservice comes with a sense of empowerment.
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>>153606787
Empowerment and sexualisation at the same time?
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>>153589090
No, but I think anime would be better off without Yoko.
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Why are girls driven off by fanservice or more in general sexy women in skimpy clothes while men don't care if there are muscular handsome males in their anime? (Or videogames, comics etc.)
Also, are girls really bothered by that or it's just a vocal minority that complains about fanservice?
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>>153589090
Fuck no
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>>153589090
No
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>>153605508
No men here, we're all little girls.
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>>153589090
What is wrong with you
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>>153606075
This man is wise.
The problem is that everyone has their own personal limit, and over time, Japan's overall limit has increased faster than mine.
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realize fanservice is anything made for the sake of invested viewers and those within the target demographic, rather than for the sake of telling a story and conveying a message

there are anime that are pure fanservice

if fanservice didn't exist idolmaster wouldn't have an anime adaptation
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>>153589090
No, period. One of the great things about anime is how 'shameless' it is. And not all fanservice is titillating content. See pic related.
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