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Why do writers love screwing themselves over with a unbeatable

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Why do writers love screwing themselves over with a unbeatable antagonist?
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It sets the roof high for the protag and leaves room for many arcs and enemies to come. None of those are unbeatable per say, they're just far too experienced and skilled combined with immense raw talent. They're isolated cases of "what if the talented dude wasn't such a slacker".
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>>153575723
>None of those are unbeatable per say
Didn't Hao literally become God?
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>>153575760
At that point he became unbeatable
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>>153575566
It's the same hack method as so many mystery writers use, where they create a scenario that's impossible to resolve while the audience goes crazy speculating, preparing themselves for awesome reveals and twists, only it turns out it's fucking nothing because there is no way to resolve the clusterfuck that's been created. But as long as the audience thinks there's a solution, they'll keep watching, and as long as there's money in that, hack writers will continue to churn out shit.
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Are you telling me the asspull power-ups the two got still weren't enough?
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Dont remember much of shaman king.

But for the others

Madara

>destroy 5 kages as na o tensei
>have perfect susanoo, rinnegan and all wood jutsus
>gets revived and gets hashirama sage power
>becomes even stronger and now have invisible clones (limbo)
>beats and captures all tailed beasts, doing in 10 minutes what took years for akatsuki
>almost kills naruto and sasuke
>becomes juubi host
>gets his other eye back and grow a rinnesharigan in his forehead becoming even stronger

Eyes stronger than sasuke and more tailed beast power than naruto. He is like to naruto and sasuke what vegito is to Goku and vegeta

Kishimoto had to make him be backstabbed by black zetsu to die

Aizen

>destroy half of gotei 13 is his base form.
>play with ichigo like if he is a child
>transforms into condom form and get stronger
>destroy ichin, urahara and cat girl
>transforms into long haired form, gets so stronger normal people cant touch him without dying
>transforms into butterfly form, gets stronger again
>Kubo pull a hyperbolic time chamber to make ichigo reach a new form which is still not fully explained to defeat him
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>>153575910
Madara and Aizen got their asses kicked many times over throughout the series. Ichigo was created for the purpose of being an ultimate being, while Madara wasn't even nearly as fuckbroken as Aizen and got trashed by an entire army before he regained his eyes and became the six paths sage.
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>>153576675

Aizen only got his ass kicked by his final fight with Ichigo.

Before that he was dominating everything.

And Ichigo powered up was way too much compared to what he was before.

Before he couldnt even touch aizen in his base form then aizen get much stronger and now he cant touch dangai ichigo
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>>153576675
Aizen never lost a fight until the end of the FKT arc. No matter how bullshit the victories he always won until he went up against a fully transcendent being that he was actually unable to fathom the power of.

If he used his Zanpakuto on Ichigo though he would have won with ease. It was pride that made him lose.
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>>153575566
>Why do writers love screwing themselves over with a unbeatable antagonist?

Isn't that what usually describes a strong antagonist. They are just there to wreck shit immorally and because they're unbeatable it makes them unstoppable, granting them longer presence.
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>>153576860
Ichigo's power in mugetsu is comparable to his power at the end of the series, so no it's justified.
Ichigo is an ultimate being. He oneshot a god. There is no one above him.
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>>153575723
Madara was so far overpowered compared to the rest of the world that they had to bullshit LOL HIDDEN GOD OUT OF NOWHERE
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>>153577127
Madara only became overpowered after taking in all 9 tailed beasts and recovering both his eyes.
Before then he was getting his shit pushed in.
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>>153577071
Did you miss the part where yhwach destroyed ichigo?

Even with aizen help he couldnt beat him.

Kubo had to pull a super arrow that takes all yhwach power for 10 seconds for ichigo to beat him.

Yhwach is the ultimate being.
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>>153577154
He did all sorts of plot armor bullshit. He used Susanoo without his eyes & more.
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>>153577154
eh, as far as I remember the only one that really had something on him pre-power ups was hashirama
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>>153575566
>Putting Hao in the same line as these faggots
Literally kill yourself retard
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>>153575566
The case of Hao is pretty interesting. Everyone just acknowledges that he's too fucking strong, like literally 1000 times as storng as Yoh, so they just try to convince him not to kill normies
He throws a hissy fit
His mom comes, slaps him and tells him to stop being such a bitch
So yeah, Hao actually won. No asspulls.
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>>153577231
>Did you miss the part where yhwach destroyed ichigo?
Yhwach's power is to influence the future to get a desired outcome.
Even with aizen help he couldnt beat him.
Yhwach explicitly stated that Ichigo's power was too dangerous to not go all out against. He was afraid and for good reason, because the few times Ichigo actually managed to land a hit he dealt fatal damage in a single attack. Yhwach even died to Ichigo's surprise attack right before he wished himself back to life.
>Kubo had to pull a super arrow that takes all yhwach power for 10 seconds for ichigo to beat him.
The arrow blocks Yhwach's powers for a moment. Duration is not given.
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>>153575566
Because they are actually the real good guys
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>>153577319
>This bullshit again
Yoh said that he could have become stronger than him in Hell and could have beaten him that way if he wanted to

Pic related is canon you can't deny it
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>>153577650
Yes, he could. If he trained for 1000 years.
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>>153575760
Yeah, but it's not like he asspulled his way into it.

He worked to achieve it, even having to resort to set up a method to being reborn with all his previous knowledge intact because he had previously failed to become the shaman king. At some point Yoh becomes stronger than Hao's previous reincarnation.


Madara was similar in that he had to resort to Hashirama's power to become stronger, before that he was still vulnerable. It doesn't helps that the rest of the ninja clans but Uchiha and Senju were useless tier with the only good power was Dust Particle attacks.
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>>153577700
Except you forget that Hell time is completely different from Earth time so he can train for 1000 years in Hell when in Earth it'd be just a second

And if Yohken/Asakura Family and Matamune could kill him twice before I don't see why Yoh couldn't do it

The fact is that Yoh wanted to save Hao he didn't want to kill him. It's fucking Yoh ffs he never kills anyone in the series

In fact these pages defines Yoh's character more than any others and they're early on in the series ffs
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>>153575566
>why do shitty shonen writers write bad?
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>>153577722
You know it's kinda weird how Hao becomes God but Yoh is much closer in character to the typical Benevolent God in most religions
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>>153578155
Watch out you're gonna cut yourself with all that edge
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>>153575566
Because it's shounen and the best way to make the protagonist stronger
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>>153576658
In retrospect, with Zangetsu actually being YHWH, when Tensa Zangetsu merges with the Hollow, people speculated it was just YHWH using either Auswalen of Sklaverei to boost Ichigo. It's just YHWH saving his ass over and over and over again.
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>>153578207
Yoh is merely pretending though. At the end when he's all alone with Hao he downright admits he dislikes normies as well.
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>>153578979
>Yoh is merely pretending though.
Nice headcanon there


>At the end when he's all alone with Hao he downright admits he dislikes normies as well.
That doesn't mean he wants to kill them all

He also turns down Hao's proposal to stay in heaven
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>>153579616
I mean no shit he wants to stay alive, and no shit he doesn't want to commit mass genocide, otherwise the manga would have ended differently but he downright admits that he dislikes humans.
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>>153579698
He says and I qoute "I don't like humans that much either" pic related
He never says "I dislike humans" or "I hate humans" which is pretty different from "I don't like them that much either"

Given his past it's normal for him to not like humans but he never had the Reishi like Hao did so he never went insane

Yoh meeting Manta probably had a role too
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>>153579812
forgot pic
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>>153575566
Middle should be orochimaru, since he actually won.
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>>153575566
It's standard in shonen and panders to certain kinds of readers and children.
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>>153582147
Gotta sell those issues.
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>>153576675
>while Madara wasn't even nearly as fuckbroken as Aizen and got trashed by an entire army before he regained his eyes and became the six paths sage.
What? That didn't happen at all.
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>>153575723
Aizen and Madara are literally unbeatable because they can pull something like "oh you think you beat me, think again it was just an illusion"
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>>153575910
not every mystery has to be a "formal" mystery story, needing to be solvable
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>>153576675
Madara trashed an entire army with his bare hands
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>>153576675
>spot the fillaruto watcher
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>>153575566
Besides Jojo part 6 was there an anime/manga where the main villain won in the end
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>>153578246
I remember when "edgy" meant things advocating murder or hating everyone, not just swearing.
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>>153575566
why does the manga/anime scene in general have shit writing? almost none of it will be
memorable in 100 years time as being exceptional pieces of work in regards towards
writing in general. And yet it still sells because people pay and watch the mediocre garbage.
the only way to make the industry better is to not pay/watch the shit thats being published.
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Reminder that this is Madara WITHOUT any bullshit power-ups

https://youtu.be/M5z2hnNAK24
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>>153586277
Why did all those losers show up? don't they know they ain't the MC?
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>>153586277
Man, this was awesome. Why 90% of Naruto anime fights were screwed in compartion with manga, when animators could actually create such a masterpiece?
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>>153576658
Actually Kishimoto admitted that Madara Uchiha was invincible. That's why he bullshit replaced Madara with Kaguya to give the main protags an easy button.

However, Aizen never once fought the Zero Squad (including Ichibe). Let's also recall that Juha Bach needed to use 4 other people with Aushriven to fight all 5 members and then activate the Almighty in order to beat Ichibe.

Aizen was beaten by Ichigo using that Mugetsu tequnique (that was suppose to be the highest form of his Bankai). However, Ichibe is the original Bankai weilder and knows the names of all Zanpakutou. Plus his Zanpakutou can erase those names with BLACK and rewrite a person who's been fully covered in BLACK.

So no, Aizen is not invincible since he would have easily lost to Ichibe and the Zero Squad. He had no allies to fight alongside him so he would have to fight all 5 Zero Squad members at the same time.
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>>153586671
>Why 90% of Naruto anime fights were screwed

because cowboy bebop only had 26 episodes to copy from
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>Just give him a hug bro
I hated how Shaman King ended
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>>153586732
>Kishi had to replace Madara with ancient reality-bending goddess to give the protags a chance to win

Really puts Madara in perspective
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>>153587033
Exactly. He wrote up Kaguya to have a HUGE major weakness about the sealing jutsu that Madara Uchiha did not.

It's just very dumb that there were THREE final villains instead of ending it with Obito.
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>>153587033
>>153587080
And faggot Itachi wankers will keep saying Itachi could beat him. Good christ.
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then there is this guy who oda has stated that he doesnt know how to defeat him
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>>153586732

Aizen lost to an asspull. "muh real feelings" was bullshit.
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>>153586277


Had to be one of the best animated and choreographed fights in the anime.

Glad they were able to pull through and do the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke really well.

>>153587080
>>153586732

Exactly they didn't even really defeat Kaguya; she was just susceptible to this magic sealing power they could use since they were the reincarnations of her grand kids.
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>>153586134
Anime/Manga is niche as fuck compared to other mediums.
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>>153587642
Except that Aizen would have lost against the Zero Squad regardless.

1. He had no allies so he would have to fight all 5 Zero Squad members at the SAME TIME. Juha Bach had to divide and conquer them.

2. He did not hit Ichibe, Tenjiro, Otetsu and Senjumaru with Kyoka Suigetsu. You could argue that Hikifune was hit, but that's only 1/5th of the members

3. He would still have to deal with Oetsu being the creator of the Asauchi blade and knowing what Aizen's Zanpakutou was like.

4. He would have to ALSO deal with Ichibie who not only knew the true name of Zanpakutou, but also had the power of BLACK to erase names like Kyoka Suigetsu and blacken Aizen up so that he only had the power of a BLACK ANT.

So no, Aizen would have lost regardless.

>>153587739
Madara would have been unaffected by said sealing Jutsu as his body wasn't sealed away alongside Kaguya despite being inside her.
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Shock value.

"This guy is tha strongest evar and can lift a million tonetons with his eye, and his farts birthes universes, and he can eat hot eggs right off the pan and the average high school student protagonist with dark spiky hair will have to defeat him! Isn't that excitam?"
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>>153587939
You're implying that Aizen needed his Zanpakuto to win after becoming immortal and overpowered as hell. The Mad Monk is the only one I can see fighting him in his "I'm totally not a hollow with 3 holes in my chest butterfly wings with heads" form.

I mean for fuck sake, YHWH only beat Aizen because of the ability powerup from absorbing the Soul King. Without it he would have lost completely and that same YHWH beat Ichibe.

Aizen made the manga what it was and after he was "beaten" and locked away, everything involving him was a massive and exciting deal. The only thing that was more entertaining was the Kubo of Zangetsu being YHWH. If Kubo didn't try to write for a billion different characters, with each being more broken with the last he could have finished dealing with YHWH in half the time and built on the entire Aizen/Soul King mystery with Aizen as last boss OR as a proper ally in more than 2 chapters. We would have gotten to see Kenpachi actually do something other than dissolve his best grill to get so strong he cuts himself.

To be honest, we probably never saw his Bankai because it would literally have to be an "I win" button to have any dramatic impact compared to what he could do otherwise.
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>>153577650
It would have been pointless. Hao would literally reincarnate and participate in the next Shaman King Tournament again in whatever op bloodline he decided to be born into. Yoh trains with his ancestor in Hell who had previously done the same thing.
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>>153588381
>You're implying that Aizen needed his Zanpakuto to win after becoming immortal and overpowered as hell.

Well, he would have to given how he would have had a Bankai. Aizen might have been saving the Bankai for the Zero Squad, but would have been stopped by Otestu because of his knowledge of how Aizen's Zanpakutou and Ichibe using his BLACK power to wipe away Aizen's Zanpakutou name (rendering the Bankai useless).

So even with Aizen being seemingly immortal, he still would have gotten his ass kicked because he didn't have the preparation to take on 5 members at the same time.

Kind of makes his "LOL I cut down Harribel" part more ironic given how she could have at least helped fight against the Zero Squad and given Aizen a better chance.
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