I'm starting to wonder if it is even worth it to start new series. JUMP is dying.
Never read this one but the artwork is pretty shit going by this image. You either need good artwork, fujobait, harem or isekai wish fulfillment to really make it these days. One Piece would've been canceled in the first 20 chapters were it released today.
Because they thought it could be popular.
Turns out it wasn't.
In fact, it was so unpopular it had to be axed as soon as possible.
It's a good thing too, now we can have something better.
this is the shit they put out now (yes i pay for SJ, im dumb)
Problem with this one is how ham-handed the premise is, perfect for much younger children but it's a high school setting and the art style is definitely more suitable for older audiences.
We'll have to see how it goes but for a first chapter it's absolutely toothless.
Jump's most popular manga now:
>Haikyuu-high school male team sports
>BnHA-high schoolers with superpowers
>Black Clover-""""fantasy"""" adventure/fighting manga overflown with shounen clichés
Whee the fuck is the creativity?
And we're getting more and more new series that looks generic as fuck.
Meanwhile, popular series five years ago (and five years before that, and five years before that, and five years before that...)
>high school male team sports
>high schoolers with superpowers.
>fantasy adventure/fighting manga overflown with shounen cliches.
Dead as fuck.
I honestly haven't kept up with anything manga related in the last year or two.
Even light novels have died for me cause they're so slow in releases.
I only occasionally browse Souma and Mon Musume threads for the weekly fanservice bit and that's it.
These days more than often I'm reading chinese novels (ISSTH, World of Cultivation, etc) than anything else because they have a continuous and steady stream of releases.
Anon, that series was a huge pile of shit from chapter one.
JUMP is trying to find a new hit but they are looking in all the wrong places. There are some new series which have potential like Kimetsu no Yaiba but the rest are pretty crappy.
That was quick.
won't be shedding any tears for it.
Even if it didn't get canned the whole rule of 'one most die' tends to get writers cornered fast.
Took a slight interest because I thought the female companion was cute and it didn't really amount to anything.
Interestingly enough the series creator, Kohei Horikoshi had a series that only lasted 12 chapters in jump just prior to the currently highly successful boku no hero academia.
So maybe it's for the best and this guy will come back with something better. Probably not.
Why the fuck does JUMP keep doubling down on the High School setting. If you look at almost every hit series JUMP has published. Almost all of them don't have a school setting.
My bad, mate.
Point is a huge chunk of Jump hits, particularly recent jump hits, are school settings or at a minimum are schoolkid protagonists. Of course Jump wants more of that.
>Kohei Horikoshi had a series that only lasted 12 chapters in jump just prior to the currently highly successful boku no hero academia.
which one? the animal kingdom one or the star spear one? I didnt read the animal kingdom one but the star spear one felt really adventurous, felt like it was gonna be jumps ver. of mad max.
that reminds me wasn't OH great! working with another writer? I heard this writer's stories was even weirder than his own. but I honestly don't have a problem with OH great stories, its just their ending that makes me slap my forehead or rage.
that remind of other duo stories
>that scooby-doo detective manga by one of the death note
>that sick boy and sick girl manga by riroland
what happened to these two?
What the fuck is with this smug cunt's stupid fucking side braids? They look so fucking stupid. Not to mention butt buddy Eus' design hurts to look at and Salvia(?) is generic.
>Boku no Hero
AssClass was fujobait garbage, Boku no Hero is westaboo with decent waifus. Neither one of them are actual hits. I'm talking Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, HxH, early Bleach level of volume sales.
That's gonna get cancelled too, you have to strike gold with first volume sales to survive in Jump
Or hope you're chosen as the token gag/harem series of the magazine, then they give you some breathing room.
Spring Weapon seems to be surviving as well. For now, at least.
But yeah it looks really bad that all these new series are axed before they really have a chance to develop anything. Some of them were DoA (like OP and Ibitsu) but others like Takuan and Red Sprite could have had something interesting happen. Basically, slow-starters are not allowed in Jump.
And before anyone says Neverland is a slow-starter, it is most definitely not. We've had DN-tier mind-games and high stakes since chapter 2.
Sometimes I wonder if just cancelling a series without forcing it to end would be better. Just a page of "Yeah, sorry, this was shit, nevermind". I think in some cases I'd prefer that over a premature "ending" the writer clearly did not intend. I mean, a cancelled tv series doesn't usually get an ending, and that feels bad in its own way, but I think that's preferable.
The story wasn't even bad, the narrative was just god awful, it was an absolute mess with no direction, no focus and no hook. It was utter shit.
It's obvious this guy got not help from his editor or was made a low priority.
>I mean, a cancelled tv series doesn't usually get an ending, and that feels bad in its own way, but I think that's preferable.
They don't usually because they generally don't get the chance.
It works significantly different for television.
Some series won't even know if they're cancelled/not renewed until way after they're done filming.
And inconveniencing a few artists to drum up an end isn't nearly as complicated as shifting 10s of actors, crew, locations, whatnot to compile an end.
I imagine mangaka get about a month notice (4 or so chapters) to wrap things up. I probably prefer letting them try to end it.
It also gives the 'illusion' Jump isn't just putting them on a chopping board and saving face.
This got people riled up. I don't think it's a better option.
Boku No Hero is still going strong. Shit's gonna go down so hard though
Why do mangaka do shit like this? I was getting into this series and the author just decided to end it at 12 chapters.
Is it a budget issue? Or are they only allowed to make so many chapters for a new series if they aren't a big time mangaka?
>Or are they only allowed to make so many chapters for a new series if they aren't a big time mangaka?
It has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with rankings and sales. Samon has sixty-something chapters now and is still running, and the guy who writes it has only written a few doujins before he started it. Basically, Demon's Plan wasn't good enough to keep, but the author may get a second chance one day. Horikoshi (who writes BNHA) had two series get cancelled in WSJ before he hit it big.
>>that scooby-doo detective manga by one of the death note
It was one of the victims of the editor in chies's axe
>that sick boy and sick girl manga by riroland
That one isn't wsj, it is from a monthly magazine, but no one is scanlating it sadly enough.
I am not sure if it alreadt ended or if it is still ongoing.
Early, like really early Naruto was fine. Post-Sasuke going full aspie because of his brother leading to that showdown between him and Naruto was where the series went to the shitter.
I actually unironically love the Sasuke retrieval arc.
Shippuden wasn't as good as part one, but I thought it was decent untill the end of pain, almost everything after that is wonky to bad.
Is it true? I was putting that off for a while but shit
I guess they decided to cut costs as much as possible. I mean why bother printing a one volume series of the most unpopular SJ manga to come out recently? It does suck though and hopefully the mangaka will get another chance in Jump.
What makes you say that?
I read KnB for magical basketball and hardly noticed anything that could be construed as "fujopandering", unless FRIENDSHIP and RIVALRY and now fujobait. Because it had plenty of that (as most sports shounen do). I expect RxL to be more of the same only on a smaller scale since golf isn't a team sport.
Demon prince looks cute but I haven't seen anything about it that suggest fujobait. In fact all I've seen is the teaser art. I don't even know what genre it is. Comedy? SoL?
If by "fujobait" you mean "two or more males interacting with each other in any way" then yes, probably so.
Are they just shotgunning new series right now hoping to get a hit?
They had plenty of time with bleach and naruto ending to carefully tryout and vet things.
The got boku no hero academia, which was a great pickup, but a lot of these ones they are giving a shot all of a sudden are blatantly iffy.
Something about if you pay a billion dollar you can get your wish granted by some guy with a demon box.
2 orphans who become best friends, saved up since their entire childhood to get their wish granted.
turns out the wish granting demon box thing is fake, 2 orphans bros get framed for stealing some bank money that coincidentally is the same amount as they have saved up.
they both get sent to jail, the sasuke looking bro was going to sacrifice himself, but suprise suprise.
the demon wish granting box was real, but some other guy had it.
Demon wish granting box turns people into highlanders with special power.
Last highlander standing gets to get their wish granted.
Mc Sasuke bro leaves MC behind, MC is qualified to be a highlander too.
His power is that his blood can be turned into armor.
MC is now looking for his Sasuke childhood friend who is edging somewhere for the MC's sake or some shit.
Main girl is looking for her brother who turns out to be a highlander too.
>but no one is scanlating it sadly enough.
I thought CXC scans was doing it, granted, it's been some time since their last release. Oh, and the manga is ending over there in Nipland as well:
The one thing I can't understand is why Black Clover is so popular, I kinda like the setting even though it's pretty much Naruto v2 but everything else about it is fucking shit.
Haikyuu is fujo? It's just guys playing volleyball. Every chapter they're in a tournament, training, or on their way to a tournament/training session. Unless the anime included scenes that weren't in the manga, I have a hard time seeing it that way. All they do is lust over their Madonna of a manager unless they're volleyball-sexual. HxH should be #1 with all the subtext between Gon and Killua.
They are just scumbros nothing gay about that
He's probably a fag who's excited for the fujopandering. The one shot that the mangaka wrote had furries, tentacles and three shirtless teenage boys within the span of like twenty pages.
Souma and WT aren't going to get anymore popular than they are now. Yuuragi might end up being similar to the next TLR at best. WSJ's other big new hit right now is neverland, which is doing pretty well. They also have black clover, which critical reception aside, is going to be popular with kids.
the anime didn't unclude anything not in the manga, but it switched the orders of some stuff to be more memorable. It's actually better than the manga, imo.
Fujoshis just attach themselves to whatever has boys who trust in one another.
WT doesn't sell millions, but still gets close to half a million figures per volume monthly and it's also one of the long-running ones. Jump wouldn be stupid to kill a series with an already established healthy reader-base for years.
It was kinda all over the place, but the characters were interesting /made your dick hard enough to keep you interested.
And let's not forget about this magnificent bastard who singlehandedly saved the series from cancellation for a good year or three.
>Sometimes I wonder if just cancelling a series without forcing it to end would be better.
Black clover is unironically this.
It is a battle shonen so vanilla, you can basically use it as an example for every single shonen trope ever.
>Author creates yet another generic battle shonen
>"Boring! No originality whatseover...what a ripoff"
>Author creates something new
>"Why can't they just ripoff DBZ for the 100th times. Fuck this shit it sux!!!1!!!"
Samon and Wonderland are the only 2 new promising series that jump have to offer right now.
I guess even Hero academia is decent those times, but in 90s or 80s Jump it would be cancelled pretty soon.
Black Clover is boring and it feels like Fairy Tail over and over again, even with Naruto as mc. Dropped after 50 chapters
Yaiba has terrible art and plot was boring or tooslow, dropped after 25 chapters
I usually like spokon, but Haikyuu didn't do it for me
Soma got repetitive after a while
WT was killed by his hiatus
I don't blame early Sasuke for his dickish behavior since he was the only one who took this ninja thing seriously,
Naruto was a fucking idiot, Kakashi was just fucking around if shit wasn't real and don't even get me started on Sakura.
He does warm up to them, but then Itachi came along and he had to ruin everything.
You can't expect Jump to keep around a series like Demon's Plan, it didn't have anything going for it.
Also, even series that start out strong can fall out of grace very quickly, like Kiruko-san.
Jump is correct in giving a little while for the author to finish the series or leave a cliffhanger however they want. It'd be worse to just have a "this series will not be continued in the next edition of WSJ" message.
>but in 90s or 80s Jump it would be cancelled pretty soon
It would fit right in.
>Samon and Wonderland are the only 2 new promising series that jump have to offer right now.
An unfunny gag manga and Death Note Jr.
>I guess even Hero academia is decent those times, but in 90s or 80s Jump it would be cancelled pretty soon.
It would fit right at home with heavily western inspired manga like Kinhikuman, Dr. Slump, Saint Seiya, etc.
Oh yeah I totally forgot about that.
That is really edgy, but like I said he does kinda warm up to everyone and becomes allright, but it was only after Itachi he really went irredeemably edge.
Hell I would even say that he really only became ridiculously shitty during the danzo fight.
Samon is a comedy series, not an action heavy manga, with period drama. Also Saiki it's the worst art right now in jump, but it's still good
and that's the problem, too much of the same
say what you want about one piece but oda will literally die for that manga I heard sometimes he's forced to take breaks and get sleep. but he couldn't get away with pulling a togashi not with op anyway.
Unfortunate that this was cancelled, although I wonder if it wasn't, would it have gone the same way that Nisekoi did?
Well yeah because of Japan's boner for Dragonball it give us hits like One Piece and Naruto
>It really looks more like CoroCoro than Jump
This was considered acceptable art for Jump back then.
16 actually, the ending was rushed as the series was about to get axed, still, a shame. I remember Psyren being always at the 1st place back in One Manga days.
>An unfunny gag manga
I honestly wonder how it's managed to run this long. The jokes aren't funny, the art is painful, there's no fanservice and not enough fujobait to attract a fanbase of them, but it still hasn't been cancelled.
It manage to have manga like Love Rush and Red Sprite cushion its fall. Its days are numbered though if another gag manga catches on, Jump can't have too manga gag manga running at once. Though I fear it'll stay due to the director of Gintama's comments about wanting to make an anime of it.
Yes, the author had to rush the last chapters, the ending turned out pretty meh as result, but it didn't really feel inconclusive, which is much more than most these new series that get axed within the 30 chapter range get to experience (Psyren has 146 chapters, for example).
It did fine for a long time, but just like all the newest series from the mid 2000's which were supposed to be the saviors of WSJ (DGM, Nura, Toriko and so on) the ratings started to go down due genre fatigue I guess
>cancelled after 11 chapters
Could be worse.
Hisasi's mainstream work got the axe after one chapter.
>MC is a literal semen demon (male)
Why is this allowed?
Are you for real?
Is he really a succubus(male)?
Kiruko-san did okay at the start, I think? But apparently the jokes stopped being funny with Japs, and after the Twins got introduced things didn't pick up. I blame the fact that it didn't play around with the two girls falling for the loser policeman enough, and him not doing enough terrible things to catch criminals.
>You people are being really annoying.
They're leftover YOI fujos who haven't gone back to Tumblr yet. There are always a few stragglers who get lost on the way home and shit up random threads for a few months.
>TLR originally published in WSJ
>TLR:D currently published in Jump Square
>TLR:D abruptly announced it's going to end next month and that readers should brace for a surprise announcement in a couple of weeks from now
>people are thinking it will move to a different magazine
>WSJ has been hemorrhaging series left and right and a spot just opened up
This had 40 chapters
Wow, on one hand I'm glad I never got way too invested in it (I stopped around the intro of the second girl) but still to hear that and the fact that the mc didn't man up makes me feel like I wasted my time even bothering to read it.
No the guy has a katana that can cut everything. It's another "ability user" manga like always
Can you imagine how terrible it must feel to have your story canned? Like, do you think any of these cancelled series was the author's dream? Like, a story that the author has been wanting to tell since childhood, only for it to get cancelled?
Don't quote me in this, but I remember reading in one of these threads a month or two back that the Samon mangaka is related to his editor, like a brother-in-law or cousin or something, and that's part of why it keeps going, since the editor is extra lenient with it.
I still don't understand how is thing still going on
Is it the fujos?
That's the editor's fault, at most cases. This manga shouldn't have seen the light in the first place. Or at least not in its current state. This is the result of a poor planning.
I think Poro will end up being pretty popular. It looks like the gags are similar to Gintama's, but with a much cleaner art style, and the boys are cute as fuck to draw in the fujobucks. I for one am completely on board already and will buy merch as soon as its available.
>you people are being really annoying
Why does WSJ have such a hard-on for demons? This issue had Demon's Plan end, but Demon Prince Poro begin, and demons are already the antagonists in Neverland and Kimetsu and make up like half the cast of Samon.
You're only perceiving it as being cancerous because you automatically equate cute boys to fujos and Tumblr. While it is true that this is the only new series thats garnered real excitement so far (on /a/ anyway) I've not seen any particularly annoying post just yet. It definitely has the potential to become actual cancer but I wouldn't say the handful of posts looking forward to the translated chapter qualify.
>Yaiba has terrible art and plot was boring or tooslow, dropped after 25 chapters
Abhorrent taste my man. Maybe you should drop out of life too.
they're supernatural and don't exist in the real world
there's lots of different types of demons meaning you can take your story in any direction
also I'd argue Demon's Plan didn't have much going in the demon department, sure the protagonists became demons, but they might as well have been anything and it wouldn't change a thing. Youkai, angels, superheroes, highlanders, it would've been the same
The rest of the magazine has next to no fujo appeal.
>there's lots of different types of demons meaning you can take your story in any direction
This is the reason. They're a convenient excuse for powers and abilities that normal people don't have. Plus, they lend themselves easily to the villain role for obvious reasons.
Wait Souma isn't dead yet? I honestly thought It jumped the shark and the author is basically setting up to end the series. Not necessarily cancelled, more like he realized he's running on fumes.
That's been their strategy for 50 years, giving them Dragon Ball, One Piece, and Naruto. 2 of which were created by unvetted rookie mangaka, and DB was by a guy who drew things by the seat of his pants.
Don't go lumping-up fujos and shotacons together, anon. Fujos are always getting served up and eats all the shit that magazines pours out but mainstream qt high-grade shotas doesn't come along as often and is actually rare.
While I like Poro myself, I can't see it sailing smoothly as it's the author's first serialization and their first ones always tend to bomb hard unless they got good editors.
I'm still hoping for male:rapethough, either way.
Will we see a new naruto this generation?
Don't make me laugh, its friendship simulator and even more braindead than naruto ever was
Its already losing steam and it shamelessly copied a lot from naruto, it also have a very uninspired execution of the plot
>Boku no Hero Academia
While it is the better of the bunch, it don't look like its gonna really explode, it also don't have the same brilliance of story telling as pre-shippuden had.
I just don't see it
Thats not what I mean
Premise aside, I liked the chapter. It's more about getting fucked by a government with a ridiculous bias and power trip than kids versus adults, the way I see it.
Then again, it was just the first chapter and I could be wrong, gotta wait and see.
Don't get me wrong
I like it, I don't even care much about the "adults are tyrants" scenario because it feels more like a dystopian story, but better settings have been axed before.
I dunno', based on the leaked pages and the one-shot I think she (he?) will do well enough. It seems like the mangaka is good at telling stories in a succinct way plus her art is great. I definitely have a soft spot for Poro right off the bat because she came up with a pretty unique design for a demon. Usually they just look like normal people but lol no they're demons guys I swear. She gave him weird eyes and a funky design without going full edgelord so kudos to her. What I've seen from her doesn't feel like an amateurs work unlike U19 and a few others, it gives off an established vibe so I guess only time will tell how right or wrong I am.
I just can't understand how anyone could like that steaming pile of shit. The story was incredibly heavy handed not to mention poorly executed and the art was awful. And I do mean awful. MC looked like a character that a 14 year old would come up with - though I did appreciate bald-chan for the few panels we saw her in. Not many people would 'deface' a cute schoolgirl like that, it was a bold move. Too bad it wasn't the heroine to give it even more impact.
This really shouldn't have tried to Naruto. It was too damn sudden, both in terms of plot and in that Naruto just ended like two years ago so it's still relatively fresh in people's minds.
You don't want your readers to compare you to a very popular franchise and find you lacking. It's just like when Jump tried have their own AoT with Iron Knight.
I'll refrain from commenting on the other aspects since there's barely any content to judge that but the art wasn't bad at all. It's no Eyeshield 21 but I'd put it on the same level or above Fairy Tail.
You're an idiot, garbage series like this are essential because it teaches the mangaka what being serialized in the toughest magazine is like which allows them to then prepare for their next work and potentially come back with a huge hit (see: Masami Kurumada, Tetsuo Hara, Kazuki Takahashi, Tite Kubo, Sho Makura, Yoshihiro Togashi, Takeshi Obata, Hirohiko Araki, Yuto Tsukuda, Daisuke Ashihara, etc.)
I'm getting real sick of fucking retards like you (who aren't even paying for or voting in the magazine no less)
Boku no Hero will last, but whether it reaches the same popularity as Naruto will depend a lot on the next anime and how well it is received.
Out of the newest stuff, Promised Neverland is the only one that really looks like it won't get canceled in a couple of months.
I think the ship has sailed on BnHA reaching Naruto level, it could maybe do Bleach numbers eventually, but being a million-seller is rare and usually happens within the first 10 volumes or when the anime first starts. Second seasons have never given big boosts except to backlog sales.
Jump has never been so desperate as it is now. It's been greenlighting and axing shit faster than ever before, while trying to fill the void that Naruto and Bleach left when they ended, while knowing perfectly well that their current replacements, Black Clover and Boku no Hero aren't generating the hype their predecessors did in their heyday.
That's why they didn't let Toriyama end Dragon Ball end on his terms. Whenever a flagship series ends, they suddenly become a headless chicken, while waiting for the next hit.
They're the best selling magazine by a margin of over 100%. In fact, their lead on all other magazines has actually grown slightly since Naruto ended. They also have One Piece literally printing money for another however many years.
Nobody is questioning that retard. What I'm saying is that they're paranoid in order to keep it that way. You can't deny Jump isn't even a shadow of what it was when the Big 3 were serialized. Both the serialized and the axed manga quality is a noticeable drop from before, many of them resorting to pandering.
Jump's editors don't care about quality, they care about sales. And sales-wise, Haikyuu (I don't know why the fuck you mentioned Clover over that) did better last year than Bleach did any time in the last decade and comparable to what Naruto did for almost all of that period, while BnHA and Shokugeki both did better than Bleach had been doing for the last five years, so at best you're seriously exaggerating this "void" that these supposedly left recently. Fuck, you should be mentioning AssClass instead, that left a much bigger void than Bleach did.
You know, have you guys considered the possibility you're a bit tool old for Jump?
You must be in your 20s at least right?
I personally stopped reading Jumpshit around my 20th birthday almost a decade ago. Was the content then better than now? No. It was still shit. It always has been shit. We grew up.
The Promised Neverland saw a big jump in sales with the release of volume 2 (first two days that is). It's going to get an anime after this first arc is over I'm willing to bet.
>Boku no Hero will last, but whether it reaches the same popularity as Naruto
It won't. Even when it was copying the Naurto exam arc (the one that propelled Naruto to international success and million of sales) it was still mediocre.
BnH is altogether generic and not very good. It is one of the few manga in Jump worth reading but that doesn't make it less average.
You mean the few manga in Jump worth reading?
I don't see why he wouldn't be.
I agree it will never get that big, but season 2 has a big chance to boost it far beyond where it is now. The tournament and Stain arcs are easily some of the best content in the manga. People are going to eat the tournament arc up.
Picking a random year, 2000 had 12 new series, 9 of them were flops and one (Sand Land) was a miniseries that ended within the year. And the 2 successes of that year were Black Cat and Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar, neither were huge hits. So this is the natural cycle of Jump.
Speak for yourself. In any case, battle shonen is still more enjoyable than haremshit, it's just kind of stupid instead of outright infuriating. I don't find shonen to be very exceptional, but it is still entertaining to me and I prefer that to the pain of harem series. If the MC is going to be a gay oblivious boring faggot who has an unrealistic disinterest in females, at least have the series objective not be his relationships with females.
I've noticed this too, I've become much more disinterested in the class' school troubles. The chapter with Overhaul was awesome and so was the Toga reveal because they both felt like progress. All Might vs All For One is the cause I feel. Going from that to the provisional license exam was such a downgrade. Horikoshi also needs more chapters where it's just Shigaraki and friends. If he wants to build this parallel between Deku and Shigaraki we need to spend more time with Shigaraki.
Kuroko had a huge fujoshi fanbase. There's a lot of shipping going on and the Pixiv tags have heaps of artwork and there are also a ton of doujins.
It wasn't "bait" as such, though.
One Piece, Naruto and Bleach all got their big boosts not from specific arcs, but just from the anime starting and many say that at least 2 of those 3 started slow too. HeroAca isn't likely to be any different, it's anime boost already happened.
>battle shonen is still more enjoyable than haremshit
No. It really isn't.
There was a short while in the early 2000s when they were trying to be edgy with it and it was kinda fun, but it lost all originality and flavour a long time ago.
Otherwise only a kid or a manchild can enjoy it.
The only only shounen that are good now are the ones with sports, cooking, etc. Pretty much everything that isn't fighting per se.
The only good thing to come out of Jump was Medaka, and the big 3 which gave us something to hate and joke about while being mildly entertaining enough to hold our disinterest against our better judgement.
Surely the fact that it isn't the early 2000s anymore means that the same can't apply to My Hero Academia? I see no reason why the second season can't bring a second wave of popularity.
Also, how big was the boost in popularity for One Pice? It didn't get really big until Enies Lobby then steadily increased until it blew up in Marineford.
Look I'm not saying it's not bad, I'm just saying it's still barely enjoyable, and it doesn't make me as irrationally angry as haremshit. If battle shonen is shit, then harems are explosive diarrhea after eating indian food.
The only thing gone is your reading comprehension.
I'm not arguing in favour of any of the two genres.
It's retarded to try to rate shit.
One is runny the other is sticky. Both are still shit at the end of the day.
If you want to eat one you're a shit eater. Does it matter what type of shit you put in your mouth?
No. I don't think it does. Maybe to the scat community it does. But I'm not a part of it.
You never know if something's gonna survive, or be a hit. I cant tell you how much weird feelings I had at the end of Mahou Sensei Negima.
I just was like..."What". No conclusion, everything was wrapped up in a meaningless bow, and the relationships were tied up quickly in a bow, and we learned next to nothing about Negi as an adult.
There's been others, but MSN surprised me.
By its 7th volume, it was averaging over a million copies in print per volume, that's not sales numbers but it probably sold a good amount of those. And by volume 12, it had 2 million in print per volume.
Nah, I think those who have experience like Kuroko's and Beelzebub's author will probably edge the authors, as they have the knowledge to attract the type of shitters that lap up their manga non-stop. True newbies will probably shit the bed easier. I probably overrated BokuBen, that shit is pure generic in distilled form and if the nips have learned their lesson with Nisekoi, it will die a swift death. Heh, but 'We Never Learn' amirite.
I never wanted to hold a conversation with you from the start.
First you misunderstood what I said and now you sperg out. What the heck would come out of a conversation with you?
If you like shounenfightan aka shounenshit, Ok. But don't expect the rest of us to understand your infatuation with excrement.
The only manga worth a damn in Jump is Haikyuu and I hope they move it to a better magazine soon. Though they won't because it's their best seller at the moment by far.
I don't have anything of wroth to say, I'm super chill, buddy
your internet elitism is costing you some boyscout points
was it the comment about you being too far gone that triggered you?
It is. After the last arc ended I stopped reading the manga hoping something will eventually happen so I can pick it up again. It doesn't seem like it will anytime soon.
This is the problem with baby's first serialized manga. H. has no idea how to pace the manga and it's showing.
They should change his editor to someone more overbearing capable of telling him to man up and move the story along. His current editor is a tard.
I'm going to have to completely disagree that nothing is going to happen soon. It's clear this arc is going to deal with Overhaul, which is clearly the next step in advancing the overall story for both Deku and Shigaraki.
>baby's first serialized manga
He's had two serializations before (even if neither lasted that long). And I thought the pace was fine for the first 100 chapters or so, and since then it's just become agony for whatever reason
The provisional license exam does make me wonder if Jump has intervened and is forcing the series to go on longer than necessary. Hori wanted to end it at 300 right, or was it 400 chapters?
The start was pretty slow as well.
All of the arcs have been kinda slow. Kinda boring.
Well the boring part isn't something he can really do anything about, he's just not a particularly good writer. But at least the pacing is a question of experience and less about talent so his editor should've helped there.
Deku vs Bakugo happened in those chapters and that is notable progress. The inevitable reveal to Bakugou that Deku was All Might's successor had been building for arcs when the reveal was finally made.
The story is definitely moving in HeroAca but it's gotten to a snail's pace after the Hideout Raid arc. I'm almost certain this is due to editorial intervention. The story was probably moving way too fast for their tastes beforehand.
But ultimately, it didn't really change the status quo, did it? Their relationship isn't much different than it was before, and nothing truly dramatic happened. The buildup felt like it went nowhere.
Nothing has happened in the manga so far that I'd call dramatic or inspirational. It's just kinda been average and predictable.
Every chance Hori has had to show the strength of character of the main cast he's kinda wasted it save for a couple of scenes with All Might but he's not the MC. And hell, he didn't even kill All Might when he should have.
I think Hori doesn't know how to make a proper gag fightan and doesn't want to write a typical drama figthan either so it's just kinda bland overall.
I found All Might vs All For One to be pretty inspirational. Also it's hard to see you call the manga predictable when literally everyone predicted All Might's death that never happened.
But yes, Hori needs to step up with the main characters now that All Might has permanently stepped down.
I liked stain and the camp rescue stuff. Since then, he just seems dead-set on being a buzzkill for any angle that would potentially make the series exciting. All Might not dying was weak, but there was at least the promise of villain activity being increased. Since then, we've gotten...a handful of villain chapters, and some cops saying "the villains are more active now". It's an endless tease because we expect them to do something but it's taking far too long for anything to happen.
We just get more training and exams, except he's not as good at writing that stuff as other shounen authors
It must've felt odd for the young readers. All these series appearing on and off in the magazine.
Weekly Shonen Jump felt like a test lab to get a manga running, instead of for pure entertainment.
It isn't but I can see it going the harem meandering Nisekoi route very easily.
Just introduce a bunch more problem girls for MC to solve problems for. There's a gorillion different subjects and majors to pursue.
It's pretty sad when the reason you'd say it's not predictable is the one thing that could've made the manga good and move the story along.
All might is defacto dead. He's too weak to affect the story in any way besides finally dying now. So again, his death like everything else has been kept back for whatever reason. I don't know how many hundreds of chapters Hori intends on dragging these initial arcs out to but if he wants his manga to thrive he should get them over with.
I didn't think I'd ever say this but he should probably study Naruto. That's one manga that however shit it was managed to introduce new villains every arc and hype you up for the fights with them.
I don't really get why people are complaining about the pacing. We are 50 chapters in so far:
>MC has done his 'chuunin exams'
>MC encounters main bad and we learned a decent amount about him.
>MC already fought against one of the generals and won
>MC was introduced to all of the strongest yokai hunters and their faction leader.
>Currently going through the second training arc which seems to have wrapped up in 2 chapters.
Honestly, compared to most other battle Shounen I think the pacing is fine. My biggest issue so far is with the way Nezuko's character is being handled. I like the character but I just hope the author isn't planning on keeping her a mute for the rest of the series. She's more of a dog/pet at this point than a person. Which is strange considering no other Yokai that has been shown is like that.
JUMP is always fishing for the next One Piece|Dragon Ball. This isn't anything new. They try new authors and axe their shit all the time. If you look back through the years this is the same shit they have done until a new hit series is found. I think they are hitting a bit of a slump right now. Any day now they will find the next big thing, might be one of the newer series, one shots they are currently publishing. Now a big hit like One Piece or Dragon Ball don't come often. Eventually some rookie author will break big in JUMP and his/her shit will be shilled to oblivion.
I will say this about recent JUMP. They have been pushing the wrong series for the past 10 years or so. They shilled Toriko like fucking crazy. I don't know why they expected that to be the next Dragon Ball. It was okay at best, nice idea poorly implemented. Definitely had its moments. Same thing happened with BnHA, although at least that didn't receive a cancerous Toei adaptation.
Also, a lot of people here are speculating (jokingly) that TLR could go back to JUMP. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they did this. If you aren't following that series, it has reached a point where the only way it can move forward is with a battle shonen space/adventure transition. Basically Rito (MC) will have to battle his way to becoming Harem King. The author already had a hit battle series on JUMP before (Black Cat) so it wouldn't be surprising.
>Androgynous Male MC who has spawned millions of Yaoi doujins.
Who is the one trolling? AssClass is literally the definition of Fujo pandering.
Is it just me or does the majority of these subpar shounen series that get cancelled in under 20 chapters all have the same art style? It's getting to the point where I can guess which series are going to get canned just from looking at the style.
Okay, picture this: you're the author of a long running series in Jump. It's been going on for a couple hundred chapters, it's gotten pretty convoluted, lots of characters, lots of things in the air.
One day, Jump calls you to tell you your series is getting the axe, and you have, say, five chapters to wrap it up.
There's obviously no sensible way you can do it. But instead of going out with a whimper, you decide to go out with a BANG.
What do you do? What last-minute plot twist or asspull or whatever do you introduce? Would you turn the ending into a surrealist masterpiece or the biggest cliffhanger you can think of, or a huge cocktease, or something else entirely? How would you make your premature ending memorable, instead of just shit?
Kill the MC at the start of the last couple of chapters you get. Everyone else saves the day.
Ask kids to send in their artwork and just fill out five chapters of that :^)
For real though, I think I would make every main character just disappear. Suddenly they're completely gone from the universe, but everything else is the same and everyone knows they've disappeared. Draw a bunch of big landscapes of their past battlefields, draw their friends/family now lazing around their homes not knowing what to do with their time. Draw their end goal now just collecting dust or whatever. Over these scenes add some text saying that the world will go on without them.
If I'm feeling like a dick then leave it at that. If I'm not feeling like a dick then at the end of the final chapter add some bullshit about how everyone was made better by having known the MCs and they'll carry their memories on blah blah.
My point here is to kind of draw a parallel to how my long-running series is just kind of up and disappearing.
New villain appears: Shuwayshuh
He's there to erase the world unless he's properly entertained, and all the heroes and villains drop everything to band together and fight him
Pull out all the stops, do the coolest action shit you can think of, combos between characters no one ever thought they'd see
Penultimate page of last chapter Shuwayshuh snaps his fingers and says "Still not interesting."
Last page is completely blank except for the text in the bottom corner that says the end
Pretty much this only far more vindictive, like the fan favourite characters get captured by the Shuwayshuh empire and are basically the closet thing to systematically and utterly destroyed (Not Killed, that would be a release) you can get away with in Jump today.
Thing ends with the world replaced by a blander more safer world, one that is declared "Good" by the empire and have the end caption read that it shall last for eternity.
Zoom on MC Replacement's eye, the eternity of horror be upon him.
Biggest, largest Kanji for "End" you can draw on a comic page.
Fujos don't always go for the androgynous traps, though. I'm pretty sure plenty of dudes like them too.
It felt like it had enough other things going on to not be fujobait, and I say this as a fujo. There's more emphasis on Nagisa/Kayano than Nagisa/Karma, the only other gay ship that's kind of a thing is Isogai/Maehara (for some reason). But all the actual romance and relationship jokes were het ones (Karasuma/Irina, Koro/Aguri, etc).
Also I feel like there are more doujins of Nagisa getting tentacle raped than there are of him getting fucked by a human male. And shota tentacle rape possibilities aren't really fujobait to me.
I can't decide between "MC was in a coma all along" and "it was all a dream".
Coma would be more sad, if the series was generally happy, that would be a more jarring shift, I'd go with that one. Last five chapters have a totally different tone and art style as we see "reality".
Dream would maybe more infuriating though. MC wakes up where he was in chapter one and goes about his completely mundane day. It would make the series feel even more pointless than the coma ending, that would be fun too.
Basically, I just want the implication that all the adventures and friendships they made along the way don't exist.
>Clean art style
Hurts so much
Reminder that Gorilla spent the last 13 years of his life fearing Gintama's cancellation
Blatantly engineered and artificial attempts at eliciting emotion.
Only thing it really had potential in was the worldbuilding, and it sure as hell isn't going to do that now. RIP in pieces.
If you want to go with the greenlighting/axing shit thing as a sign of desperation, it's actually (historically) a sign of prosperity, the years they went through the most series was when they were selling 6 million copies because no new series could overthrow the established classics
They are going through just as many series now as they have for more than ten years. And more importantly, the manga industry in general is failing and will continue to do so...you have to look at the lead they have over their competitors which continues to be absolutely ridiculous.
Also, I'm not sure if they keep this stuff secret, but does anyone ever consider that sales are lower because of digital sales? Most stuff gets released same day digitally nowadays.
Wasn't there also a shitty Jump series about a dude who had a disease that made every woman attraced to him, even Monster Girls from another dimension?
Between this, that, and World's End Harem in + I think the editors at Jump have just given up and realize the manga is dead once Gintama, Soma and OP ends.
Keep in mind that even Saint Seiya and Kinnikuman got axed from Jump back then and those are series still remembered in Japan to this day and that got various revivals. Their standards were even higher back then.
>I think the editors at Jump have just given up and realize the manga is dead once Gintama, Soma and OP ends.
Not ever Gintama was safe. The editors were breathing down Sorachi's neck for so many years I'm surprised he didn't have a mental breakdown
I swear the writer of World's End Harem lied to the editors about what their manga was, telling them the same concept that we fans were told but then went 'Ha ha! Digital only! We fooled you into publishing my complete garbage series that you can't cancel now'
Now we're stuck with this complete garbage, boring stupid series that I have to see how bad it gets and how long a concept that seems tailor made to the pregnancy fetish can go without showing a pregnant woman.
It's like Pacific Rim now, when a pregnant woman shows up I'm gonna reset the clock and see how long until another one pops up.
Souma was in quite a slump until recently and was often at the bottom of the rankings. The writer seems to have recently decided to stop shoving Azami and fucking Hayama down everyone's throat and now the ratings got a bit better, but I'm not sure how long it's going to last. Especially since we're still smack dab in the middle of an Azami arc.
Haikyuu and BnHA have been consistently performing better than Souma
Jump dying is because of forcing all their eggs into one basket. They were so reliant on the big 3 that now they don't have anything to fill the gap.
It's the same as alot of companies. Specialisation is bad for media.
The characters are all great and they actually mesh really well with each other well, so their slice of life shenanigans are very comfy to read even when the jokes are somewhat sparse and the "let's make the feMC go to hell" premise was thrown to the side for the time being.
But the real answer probably involves 2chan or something.
The villain kills the heroes.
The last few chapters show how the world the villain created actually is a better place to live in compared to the old world order the heroes defended.
I want a series a bout a disgruntled Jump editor, who does his best to get every series he supervises axed. Along comes some cocky upstart mangaka, who manages to make a successful series, by taking his editor's shitty advice and twisting it into something the readers like. Series consists of the editor coming up with new schemes to get the series axed (think Wile.E.Coyote) and getting thwarted by the mangaka. There's also tits and great legs.
I don't think Kinnikuman got axed...I mean, fuck, when one half of Yudetamago was hospitalized during the final arc of the series and it had to be put on hiatus, the magazine went and fucking reprinted two chapters in each issue he missed, as well as updates about his health and messages from the creators
It ended completely naturally on a final arc that was over 100 chapters long...I think they ended it where they wanted to...they also spent the next decade getting cancelled series in Shonen Jump until they just went to Playboy and made a Kinnikuman sequel (where they have continued making Kinnikuman sequels for over twenty years now)
Because the art was tolerable and the influences novel (initially)...then, the editors seized upon it even though it has turned to complete garbage but they can't admit it since they worked so hard pushing it already
I'd love for Sorachi to have another hit. His work on Gintama is fresh and amazing.
Realistically? It's pretty rare for Mangakas to have another hit after a long successful running series. And even if they do have another successful series it's not as big as the previous project
Black Clover just happeend to be in the right time and right place to fill in the void left behind by Naruto.
I swear if we get a dumb "You think magic can make me hurt my FRIENDS" zero consequences resolution...
I mean to me.
I'm basically counting how long before a series which when told to you sounds like it should be a pregnancy and procreating actually show a fucking pregnant woman.
Well, unless he moves to another magazine where he won't be held to his previous work...but I just don't know what else he wants to do, he could have easily used Gintama to go on forever with short gags but he instead wanted to give all the characters a proper conclusion...but I don't know if that's just because he cares about his fans and wants to finish this one properly before starting a new one or if he wants to retire
That said, historically most of the biggest stars of Jump's history have gone on to make even more successful works, but a number of them did it by going seinen, which I don't really see Sorachi being interested in
What makes the past decade of Jump so confusing and unknowable in the future is it's the first era where manga were just left to keep going for ages and relatively weak series could get to 30 volumes
We haven't seen any of these mangaka of the long-running titles even try to come back yet (like normally by now you'd have expected someone like Kishimoto or Shinohara to have returned with a new series), Fujimaki, Tamura and Inagaki will be some of the first to come back so I'm quite interested to see how they are received
They FORCED Oda's monthly breaks so he doesn't die from overworking.
If One Piece ends they are FUCKED because it's their Golden Goose and none of their other mangas can pick up the slack.
As a publisher they would take a big hit but so would the manga industry as a whole as far as smash successes go. I don't think it's as certain the magazine would suffer, the magazine is already at its lowest-selling point ever since like the 70's, One Piece outsells it by a significant margin which means that a huge portion of people who buy One Piece don't buy the magazine. I think a lot of people follow the magazine for the same reason the people in these threads do, to see if they can catch the next big hit
is it any good? the only thing I saw of it was some human titties rockets
>It was one of the victims of the editor in chies's axe
well that's not surprising. honestly the premise felt similar to the "manga" they had in bakuman basically schoolyard detective and that wasn't even doing good in there at first I believe
>I am not sure if it already ended or if it is still ongoing
wouldn't be surprised if it was ending. I mean what does it have going for it?
They had AssClass as a surprise big hit a while ago, to the point where Korosensei featured next to Luffy on the covers with all the current running series. A bit surprising how hard they pushed it even when it only started serializing actually since Matsui'd previous work Neuro only did moderately well overall and spent most of its lifetime in the bottom half of the SJ ToC.
>I think the ship has sailed on BnHA reaching Naruto level, it could maybe do Bleach numbers eventually, but being a million-seller is rare and usually happens within the first 10 volumes or when the anime first starts.
Haikyuu didn't reach a million sales until the second season before the first anime it barely sold over 100k same with Kuroko.
>It's pretty rare for Mangakas to have another hit after a long successful running series.
Not really, a lot of successful WSJ mangaka came back with another strong long-runner.
See: Toriyama, Hojo, Morita, Togashi, Obata, Yabuki, Shimabukuro, Matsui and Murata.
Their new series were also all more successful than their initial hit, except for Morita (and Murata, but it's only a matter of time until OPM outsells Eyeshield 21).
At this point I'm just waiting for a decent action series.
Hell maybe Jump will search the archive of /a/ and find my idea of School Battle Harem where the casts acts like characters from Animal House. Maybe Jump will remember the West has the Internet and we know all their series they publish and remember we have more money than Japan.
One Piece had three boosts in sales throughout its lifespan (East Blue arc, Skypedia and Marineford). Naruto had two boosts (during the second arc in the anime and at the beginning of part 2) Bleach only had one (Soul Society).
>Series never get a boost from second seasons
Tokyo Ghoul, Haikyuu, Kuroko and while not a second season OP got a huge boost in 2009 with Strong World that was way late in its run so basically despite already being a high seller most of the nation still had not picked up the manga. Also the reairing of the anime has brought back all volumes of the HeroAca manga in the Top 500.
It wasn't anything special, but I'd take it over the generic shitfest that was Nisekoi any day. The main protagonists romance shits on the entirety of Nisekoi's "romance".
>Make manga about delinquent guy with demon babby
>Greatest arcs center on the only non-delinquent/fighter character, either playing vidya against demons or summoning demons.
Oga was a mistake. His only worth came from making him have everyone's respect for being a retard delinquent so Furuichi could be the punching bag that overcame the odds through high risk diplomacy and mind games.
It was revenge.
"You fuckers canceled Double Arts for this garbage? Fine, you want generic haremshit, I'll give you the shittiest, most generic harem you could ever imagine!"
>his face when it's a hit
I feel like it had a problem deciding if it was going to continue to be a full on comedy about a delinquent with a Demon baby, or a Shounen action series of Delinquents vs Demons and other Demon Contract humans.
Hell the entire final arc finally seemed to be building up to that transition. Then BOOP DONE!
Which is a shame because that means less Aoi and Hilda porn.
Don't care about Chump.
Bleach, Naruto, One Piece too fucking long, stale, out of ideas.
When can I see my sweet Nana's ass again?
I still don't understand how people didn't see that ending coming.
Especially after World God Only Knows and Oreimo.
Harems are predictable as all hell unless they go full crazy.
That ending was pretty abrupt. But of course the author had to insert his NTR fetish that is present in all of his other works at the last minute for some final sense of drama.
God damn TWGOK, that's the one harem/romcom that was perfect for a nobody wins loner end. It would have been deliciously bittersweet that absolutely everyone forgot about him save for Esie who would get sisterzoned with actual blood relation.
I remember when JUMP was trying so hard to turn Toriko into the next big thing. Even putting him an a special OVA alongside Goku and Luffy. That plan failed tremendously.
Jump should make a battle harem that's LITERALLY a series where you need to battle to get a harem.
You get everything boys want, fighting and hot girls.
I mean wouldn't you want to see the hot blooded but scrawny underdog get swole then bury himself in Big Oujo tits after Dragon Punching a dude through 3 floors?