What went wrong?
Although I'm not a fan of some of the odd pics Tori drew like the one on the left, overall I've grown really fond of his new artstyle such as the Kanzenban cover art.
>manga vs anime
Why make these threads during the middle of the week?
Is this "super weird" to you still?
Anon if you think this is bad I'm afraid you've never seen cancer before.
>be... well, me, Gohan
>be kidnapped by an alien at 4 years old
>my dad was killed by the Devil, who kidnapped me too
>be trained by this demon for months to fight an alien invasion
>that "demon" actually was a nice guy and I want to take him back, so I'm going to visit another world to revive him and my father's friends (who is also live again, that's something)
>the planet is under attack, space Hitler almost kill us, but everyone is fine again! But... father isn't here, he's not in Earth and he doesn't want back
>he's here again! We can be happy again but... we will be killed? I can't study, I must train to save our world.
>I did it! I saved this world, but father is dead again... he will never come back
>I will have a brother? He will never meet father...
>Seven years has been passed but father is here again, he will never let us again, we are a family again.
>My friend and me are in love, we will marry soon, I'm so happy!
>She's pregnant, I can't believe I will be a father... I can't believe being so happy is even possible!
>I'm finaly an scholar, which is my childhood dream, but I don't even need it, we are rich!
>My little princess has inherited her grandpa's strenght, but she's more trustworthy haha! "Uncle Piccolo" also loves come here to visit us, and Videl really appreciate it.
>huh? There's some people calling me "jobber"? What? "Jobber", "loser", "nerd"... I don't understand why they do that, why can't they be happy? At least I'm happy. I have a great life, what's wrong with me? Are they jealous or something?
The popular opinion is:
Prime Toriyama > Toyotaro > Modern Toriyama
Has the show gotten any better?
I passed out vomiting and crying when I tried watching the earlier stuff, and took that as a sign that I shouldn't keep watching
Also, after all these years no matter how hard I try I can't find Japanese Goku voice anything other than disgusting. I have the same problem with English Gohan voice though, scratchy breaking high-pitched screeching voices in general.
Perhaps in terms of aesthetics but not quite when it comes to action panelling.
Toriyama is like 61 now, you can't really judge a man that pretty much retired.
Toyotaro children > modern Toriyama children
Look those muscles
Reminder that Goku's name is "Gokou"
Beerus is "Beers"
Buu is "Boo"
Mr. Satan real name is "Mark"
17 and 18 names are "Lapis" and "Lazuli"
and nobody knows Turtle Hermit's name, same about his sister
This is a page from Toriyama's art book, when he wants to he can draw more in line with his old stuff if he tries.
>he can draw more in line with his old stuff if he tries.
shows modern artsyle
toyo is a pure genuis
>Looks like an artbook for battle of gods
Nope it's straight out the Dragon Ball art book which is all Toriyama's art.
>What went wrong?
he doesnt give a fuck
Speaking of signature sketches, Toyo is becoming pro at it.
Viz has no plans to make a Kazenban format. Closest thing to it is the 3in1 and the full colour edition another problem is that the main translator for viz media that works on dragonball got caught for paedophilia
Well, the Viz Bigs do have some of the perks of the kanzenban, with pretty much the same print quality, bigger size, and some of the color pages. I'd probably be a lot more content with the situation if France hadn't gotten their own kanzenban release, with nothing censored and a revised translation, complete with lots of footnotes. Doesn't the English fanbase deserve the same?
Poor animation representing newgrounds flash from 2004, along with art drawn by people with the skill level of 5th graders.
I like the story of Super, for the most part. It's just it LOOKS like complete shit.
Akira Toriyama, under the constant stress of Toei Animation, suffered a heavy loss of testosterone during production and brought hidden homosexual desires to the surface.
It is no secret that Akira was unhappy with the studio constantly pestering him to change his lovable yellow & red world of Mystic China, silly adventures and clever martial fights. This shows even in the early work of Z as the giant mushroom forests, Indians, talking animals are replaced by mundane modern cities & endless miles of desert wastelands. Trapped in a corporate world that didn't appreciate the heart of his work- but the profit- Akira gave into despair and depravity.
This can be seen in the replacement of Vegeta, a prideful cartoonish manlet, with the homoerotic symbol of Frieza, a reptilian with purple cyst-like bulges, insect-like carapace & horns akin to the spike of a tape-worm(obvious penetration of the anus symbolism was most likely intentional) as the intended villain for the intended entirety of DBZ. Much like a corporate director himself, Lord Frieza exploits planets(artwork) for profit without regard to the heart(or the people) that made the planet great(popular/fun/adventurous).
While Goku, who at this point symbolizes the living work of the author, is recovering from the battle(truly an inner-battle of Akira's feelings) Vegeta soon becomes a symbol of the author's pride in his work and his rejection of the corporate monsters that constantly seek to take advantage of or change his work. The best examples of this are when Ginyu switches bodies with Goku, and when Vegeta confronts Frieza for the first time- showing that they are equally matched, only to discover that Frieza is just not a reflection of the corporate powers but his own latent homosexuality
It won't be til 20 or so years later when his testosterone drops, his sex drive recedes that he finally starts drawing sexless nu-male characters.
the reason why lee was chosen was because of this
His artstyle is really stuck in the past, not only that he cranks it up 10 fold making it more retro than the actual manga by toriyama himself. I don't like it very much in comparison to Toriyama's real work.
Toyo on the other hand looks modern and sleak yet still matches where Tori left off after the Buu saga perfectly imo.
Power Levels would go away if we stopped having a bunch of different meaningless color coded forms for the characters to jump into every fight.
It also used to be a thing that Ki blasts were unique to their users and only did the damage their giant explosions would cause- but now you have characters that sneeze out attacks as strong as Frieza's death ball but they're just shitty firecrackers that unsettle some dust.
It's just speculation but it's safe to say Shueisha doesn't want a guy doing art like pic related to be the official mangaka for their spinoffs.
how can one man have so much power but be absolutely useless at the same time?
>Toyo on the other hand looks modern and sleak yet still matches where Tori left off after the Buu saga
I might have to disagree. I don't see the resemblance. Maybe slightly in the Kanzenban art, but only slightly.
>Tfw gogeta literally has an attack that works similar like the genkidama that can destroy evil ki
They arent even trying
>gogeta literally has an attack that works similar like the genkidama that can destroy evil ki
>tfw this is literally the reason they shitted his character in GT
Gohan might win his fight, meaning U7 will sweep.
I think the Cell Saga became canon by the time he was done with it.
It had a clear message and it ended with his pet-character finally getting his spotlight.
Meanwhile the Buu Saga is entirely nonsensical to me after Majin Vegeta's suicide.
>Gohan might win his fight
Toyo doesn't have Toriyama's style either. Arguably he has hints of his modern style, but he's nothing like the old toriyama. And when it comes to the old toriyama, JiJii doesn't do it often, but he does it best.
His style is more like those vintage anime posters from the android arc.
>gohan might win his fight
True. Some of it does come from the fact that his lines are just rounder.
I can't get enough of JiJii though, the anime posters were my favorite and he practically captures the essence perfectly. I think if Toyo went with slightly more sharper lines, more inclined to the Buu arc, he'd be perfect.
I don't think so. That doesn't look like his style, even during the android arc.
>I don't think so. That doesn't look like his style, even during the android arc.
It's definitely not Toriyama if you're wondering. Yamamuro pretty much did all the posters.
uhh sure whatever you say buddy.
Against a completely unknown enemy Vegeta adopted an unorthodox/compromised stance in an attempt to lull him into a false sense of security.
>Toei actually understands fighting
>Toyo just wants to trace shit
Got my noggin' a cloggin'
>Implying he won't
He only job twice to beerus and freeza he'll be fine in this one.
Kek, of course he will, don't you see how it's being set up?
>indecisive (useless) GoD
>team of gimmicky furry shits
>cackling villainous Kai
>Goku yet to truly learn the stakes
Team Yiffshit will get heemed hard, Zeno will bore of them and Universe 9 will get obliterated to set the arc's tone.
This has been set up quite clearly by Daishinkan telling them to put on a good fight or Zeno may tire and erase them.
>japan doesnt have a concept for it at all.
>no argument but memeing
I accept your concession
The Goku fight will have none anyway because he could clearly push Bergamo's shit in. He's so far ahead of Buu/Gohan at this point anyway that anyone who beats them in any form of contested fight will get curbstomped by Goku.
>If gohan wins its 2:0 so why bother have goku fight at allbif the winner is already decided.
There're no winners, these are exhibition matches to teach FZeno the thrills of battle.
>GOHAN MIGHT WIN
Gohan will probably job hard in the tournament against a real big bad, but U9 are the legit designated jobbing universe that exist to send a message to the viewer. Nobody from 7 is gonna lose.
he will win why do you ridicule us?
Gohan will win because he knows the stakes are are very serious. and he cant rely on his dad anymore because obviously its goku's desire that caused the tournament in the first place
I'm surprised Goku even has the slightest faith in his son anymore when it comes to fighting.
When you look at it outside of memes, why wouldn't he?
He's been shown to have ridiculous potential, so if he put in any effort he'd be fine.
Even in RoF he was able to one-shot an enemy who was stalemating Piccolo, whom Goku respects.
actually Gohan is currently jobbing to life itself
the reason he hasn't lost any fights is because he hasn't taken any, which means he is losing by non-participation
so technically, he has lost EVERY fight that he could have fought in, but chose not to because "muh academics"
>He's been shown to have ridiculous potential
So has goten and trunks. Nothing to do with memes. Toryiama decides at the end if gohan will be a thing or not. As of now gohan is as important as every other participant.
Of course he has faith in him. Gohan is still by far stronger than the majority of people Goku knows to the point where even someone as arrogant as Vegeta recognizes him. You're spending too much time here if you think otherwise.
Yes, but I can see Zeno warning Bergamo that if he loses his team will get erased due to being too weak and not worthy in taking part of the main tournament.
Basically last fight would be for U9 survival, and we know they have 0 change of beating gOKU.
>So has goten and trunks
They just turned SSJ off the bat because it was genetically ingrained in them or some shit. They haven't shown anything except mild mental retardation.
Leave Goku to me. If any of you get in my way, I WILL BE FORCED TO STOP YOU!
Bardock is technically invincible.
Everytime you "kill" him you really just send him back in time where he reaches the next Saiyan transformation.
Eventually he'll just come back as SSB3 Oozaru and then be forced to stop you
gohan can't job if he was never relevant in the first place
DB's fanbase was fucking perfect before Super. Ignoran GT, talkan bout fights, admiran Gohan
Now it's just LOL DID YOU HEAR CAT GOD-GOD-GOD WENT SUPER GOD GOD SUPER AND CHOKED GOKU WITH HIS NOSEHAIR
Sounds like someone missed the market for quality ZAMASU posting
anyone else a DB buyfag?
These two are probably my most prized figure possessions.
What about that is headcanon?
They've done jack shit. To imply they've done anything worthwhile or their potential has been backed up would be headcanon.
Gotenks and SSJ3 is the only thing, but that's a fusion so whatever.
Toriyamas style has changed many times
Why are people under the delusion it was all the same throughout Dragonballs run, just compare the first chapter of DB to the last one to see how radically his art style changed then
Styles always changes over time, especially in series that run like 3 decades
>how radically his art style changed then
You mean how lazy he got? He didn't even bother to connect lines anymore, fingers turned into rectangles and hair looked like paper cutouts. He was bored after Frieza and gave up after Cell.
>Now it's just LOL DID YOU HEAR CAT GOD-GOD-GOD WENT SUPER GOD GOD SUPER AND CHOKED GOKU WITH HIS NOSEHAIR
I loled, not just because of the absurd notion but it's not very far off from what's happened to this series.
are you kidding, everyone used to, and still does jack off over MUH SS4 , MUH SS4 GOGETA SO STRONK , MUH SUPER 17
Im glad Super exists just to make GT fans butthurt
the only thing GT did right was the intro and EDs. So much adventure and comfiness in the ending sequences that ended up not even being in the actual anime. What a missed opportunity for Toei.
Wtf is the Red Dragonball Buu has in him
and is Dabura fused with Mira? Looks different then the Fusions design
We barely see Vegito in the Vegito reveal, Bravo
looks like you win kaosKidx420x. ill send the paypal to you in the morning. a bets a bet
fucking gt bait is still the best way to get (You)s predictable bunch of neck beards
Something I never understood is Bulma and Chi-Chi nag their husbands to get jobs, but wouldn't making them into energy sources fix that problem and boost earth's economy 200x fold?
>build a big battery
>vegeta shoots a single big bang at it
>enough energy to power the earth for a decade
Shit, they'd be fucking millionaires and then their wives would let them train.
Why do absolutely zero artists know how to draw boobs?
>Yo, what's a boob look like? I've never actually seen one.
>IDK, just draw a fucking basketball with 2 smaller circles in the middle of it.
Can't they just get the dragonballs and wish for a lifetime fortune?
I know "chi chi wants goku to get a job so he'll be normal, not for money" but she needs to give that shit up. You married a martial arts savant, he's 50 years old quit trying to change him.
Is there a translated version of this somewhere? Fucking hell, I want to read it.
actually it is ox kings money that is run out
Leave Goku, Universe; 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12, Zeno, my children and the rest of the gods to me.
Changing the past is against the rules anon.
>Goku losing match horribly
>Gohan , Shin , and Mr Satan worried the universe will be destroyed
>Goku starts laughing as opponent looks at him confused
>"Haha wow ,these new billion ton clothes Whis gave me make it really hard to fight! Guess I should take them off!"
>Goku removes clothes as the tear a hole through the ring
>Goku punches opponent as they are sent lightyears away in a coma
>all the universes look on in horror at the unbeatable opponent
Anyone think Zen-chan really isn't that powerful? Sure he can destroy universes, but it isn't instant. Additionally, why does he even have guards. Also the fact there are two is even more retarded.
I picked up this a few weeks ago and i love it. The details are so nice
I swear to Christ if Gohan loses to a wolf in overalls that's the end. Nothing he ever does will redeem him.
vegeta > gohan even before he trained with whis
Yes I agree he is not a martial artist. There is no reason for him to fight ever since he can erase anyone
Dont say that in these threads you, youre gonna get a bunch of butthurt (You)s from Pedros who insist Zeno is the strongest fighter ever
I remember back when I was like 10 years old, I went to my grandparents place in the countryside and this kid had a super cool and detailed Frieza figurine. I asked if I could buy it from him and he said "yeah for a million dollars LOL".
Because he was such a fucking idiot he left it in the sandbox when he went to home for lunch and I stole that fucker.
We left for the city the next day and I never saw him again.
I lost the figurine ages ago, RIP.
>Gohan loses the fight
>Sits crying in the ring after getting YIFFED
>"I guess he just isnt worth anything now, Ill have to go get my replacement son"
>Goten joins the team and goes Mystic, OP changes
>Gohan is relegated to a background character showing up once or twice an arc like Oolong and Turtle
vegeta might be lightyears above gohan now but gohan at least got a major kill under his belt.
Not much into figurines, came across this little thing a few weeks ago though and have it on my desk
Was before the Super Dub aired so I was surprised there was anyplace selling import figurines for it
This is my wet dream sadly gohanfags will keep wanting him to fight
And who helped you get that major kill Gohan?
I've been waiting for you Goku
by the end of Z vegeta is still talking about wanting to surpass goku and goku fly's off with some street loo.
>Gohan killed Cell September 3rd, 1993
>Its been 24 years since he was useful
>Gohanfags still think he can make a comeback
"B-but Mystic Gohan was co-"
No! Mystic Gohan didnt manage to defeat anyone and got his ass kicked once he let his mentor and little brother get absorbed by the monster he was supposed to be protecting them from.
Calling father by first name shameless or are you still pretending to be this "Saiyaman" person
TAKE YOUR MEDS GOHAN!!! Father is worried about you that watch seems to have a hold on you
He looks like such a fucking geek and he let Videl cut off her twintails. He deserves everything coming to him in this tournament.
They just brought Freiza back for the jobber effect
Freiza should have been killed by Goku, but they cheapened it to have Trunks kill him so you would say "Wow Freiza was strong and this guy killed him easily, he must be REALLY strong!"
>frieza was the strongest threat
At namek arc. He just appeared on Earth to be killed by Trunks to make the viewers say HOLY SHIT THIS GUY MUST BE REALLY STRONG and then say there's future enemies even stronger than him. Mecha Freeza is jobber Freeza.
>we will never get budokai tenkaichi 4
3 was literally the best DBZ game, that is fact.
>sending me to /v/
>not admiring how thicc loli chichi is
I'm disappointed lads
show me loli chichi in the manga that's that thicc, anon.
but what if I am Indisposed?
I used to hate her, but with how Goku has been acting in Super I can't help but feel bad for her.
She sacrificed herself to protect the world from the menace known as Goku. All these years she's held back the beast which is why she has aged the most out of all the characters. She just can't do it anymore which is why Goku is going rogue now.
Chi Chi... Had a hard life.
To be fair, just like Bulma she hasn't physically aged a day since the Saiyan Saga. It's just her unflattering hairstyle, prudish personality and fashion sense that gives the impression that she aged badly.
>the state of shill comprehensive abilities
Jijii looks too static. Besides, he is bad with the use of panels and action. Toyopedro in the other hand looks fantastic, and we see how he represents movement and power. I'm glad Toriyama is helping Toyo to be better, because his use of panels can improve even more, that and with his combat choreography(in which dragongarowlee seems to be better than Toyo).
>the only thing GT did right
I liked GT and still don't understand why it's getting so much hate.
>new adventure in new locations and goku is a goofy little shit again
>pan is a saiyan qt3.14
>new (or renewed) characters get developed
>silly shenanigans all over the place
>a long, mostly hopeless battle against bebi that results in the coolest fucking new form for goku
>an arc where kamehamehas don't solve shit and where 18 gets to shine
>the z fighters reliance on the dragon balls bites them in the ass
>vegeta is brought back to relevancy by bulma's genius
>bittersweet ending where goku finally fucks off for good
sure, there's some annoying shit inbetween, but that's always been there and you have too look at the big picture.
Goku being a little kid again is the ultimate nostalgia bait
It made no sense and was clearly just a cheap grab for people who liked the original Dragonball in the same way Goten was
Pan is annoying , Trunks is useless, Giru is annoying
More plotholes than can be counted
Characters besides Goku do nothing , not even Vegeta
SS4 and fusions are dumb and edgy pedro-bait
>zeno told me to destroy 50 planets
>i destroyed 51
SOMEBODY STOP ME
Goku being an idiot is shitty writing
It makes sense because of the manga adaptation
Goku is annoying, Vegeta is useless, they're the only two important ones
Plotholes out the ass and shit that contradicts the contradictions
Characters besides Goku job to everyone Goku beats
SSG and Goku fighting with gods is downie fanfic furfag-bait
That's why GT is better than super, just stating facts.
Had super sex with the gf after 15 min i was still horny fapped to some amazing hentai+porn dualscreen. Damn i feel finally at rest. I wonder if this is how goku felt when he achieved SSG
>That's why GT is better than super, just stating facts.
GT did so much shit better than Super.
>Make Goku smart and know what he's doing
>Focus the story on characters other than Goku, even if he's still he strongest
>Mature Goten and Trunks
>Add two new forms that actually make sense - color and clothing aside
>Nerf Goku so he can't solve EVERY problem and be stupidly strong
>Bring an enemy from the past that had a problem with the Saiyans
>Vegeta swallows his pride and accepts that Goku is ahead of him
GT gets unnecessary hate. It had decent art, passable animation, good story concepts, and good music. Super has bad art, bad animation, decent story concepts, and decent music.
>best DBZ game
Okay anon, yeah it's fun stamina breaking a nigga and hitting a 18k combo, but it's not the best DBZ game. the story was good, not the story mode, just the story.
>superfags assblasted that GT is better than their poorly written show
Get the fuck out of here. Super has garbage animation, but don't try to come in here saying that GT was better in that department. GT was absolute shit, to the point where majority of fans considered it non canon way before the series came back with BoG.
>Super has garbage animation
The video you post proves that. It's still much better than what Super has in a majority of its fights.
>to the point where majority of fans considered it non canon way before the series came back with BoG.
It never was canon, and there are still a lot of fans that believe Super isn't canon because it's such a shitty remake of two movies written by Toriyama. Super - the official canon sequel to DB - has been called non-canon because it was so shit. GT isn't even slightly canon and it manages to still be better.
Show me one fight in GT that has similar animation to these two fights.
I constantly shit on Super's animation, but saying GT has a single fight better looking than the handful of decently animated fights we see in Super is pure bullshit.
>not Battle of Z on the list
That's enough, stop talking and lets get this over with.
>Battle of Z
I wish I wasn't right but this saiyaman persona has taken over you. Father was right you're too unstable
>dragongarowlee seems to be better than Toyo).
Any examples to share?
>side scrolling beat 'em up
Reminds me of this game. I played the shit out of it and even unlocked all the bonus characters. Fighting King Piccolo as a generic Wolf was fun.
That's the thing, Super either has shitty animated fights, or 2 minute scenes where the choreography is upped and they hire naotoshi shida to do his flashy flashy zoom zoom animation. GT animation was much more inclined to normal DBZ animation. GT had no choreography though, you're right.
>saying GT has a single fight better looking than the handful of decently animated fights we see in Super is pure bullshit.
You're mistaking choreography and flashiness for good animation. GT has consistent animation, it's typical punch and kick, things that Super only can accomplish when the entire budget gets spent on one scene.
One is all around poor and the other is either shit or good, no in between. They're both bad in the grand scheme of things.
Back off Goten unless you want to get hurt, this is between me and Dad.
Last time I saw this "spoiler" it didn't mention that Buu was gonna win.
Right has better detail but the style is too over-the-top, modernized and generic.
Left fits more in-line with Dragonball on the whole. The character's expression looks smug and sadistic without being a deformed fetus-face that relies on fanfiction-tier additions to embolden the point (eye-liner, OC donut steel evil grin).
Taste = Jiji
Newfags = Toyo
>worse than 90's Tori
>worse than current Jijii
All he has over them respectively is smooth lines and more emotion.
None of that matters though, because 90's Yamamuro is objectively the best DB style.
You're a worthless a son WHERE WERE YOU WHEN HE CHOKED RICE??
You'll have to go through my dead corpse before you waste my fathers time again
>All he has over them respectively is smooth lines and more emotion
>All he has over them is being a better artist
>because 90's Yamamuro is objectively the best DB style.
>My opinion is fact
Arc Battle of Gods - 5.89%
Arc Resurrection 'F' - 5.61%
Arc Universe 6 - 6.0%
Arc Future Trunks- 6.27%
Arc Assasin -6.31% (ep. 68-76)
Arc Universal Tournament 5.85%
How did this arc manage to start out so badly?
IMG ATTACHED.. kill me
People praise Toyo because they need ONE facet of the DB Super to deliver, as they've been deprived of new content for so long, and since the anime has been such a disappointment, they lump all their hopes on the manga.
It's shit, too. Toyo was probably the worst fanfiction autist Tori could've chosen. He's uninspired and his designs carry zero of DB's personality.
His choreography's good but that's it.
>Toriyama kanzenban rework style, smooth lines
>more emotion than Jijii
Toyo is worse than both Toriyama and Jijii.
>>My opinion is fact
>people still call this out
stop acting like a forumfag
>Toyo is worse than both Toriyama and Jijii.
Nope. He is worse than classic Toriyama though.
>stop acting like a forumfag
Stop pretending like your opinion is the one true fact, you stupid cuck.
It's seems little Pan has also fallen to the dark side I understand
But your father and my brother isn't the same anymore he has become bloodthirsty
The real Gohan respects your Grandpapa
Yeah Toyo wins this round.
Were you alive when test was at his peak?