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Prison School 241-242

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It's finally over, the stupid cavalry battle, and these last two chapters were actually enjoyable! I liked Hana and all but it seems like she's going low to sabotage Chiyo which isn't cool at all. Any ideas as to where this will go?
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Make way for our lord and savior
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>>153494853
Wasn't PBR-sama sacrificed to save the world at the end of the last arc?
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>>153494877
>Wasn't PBR-sama sacrificed to save the world at the end of the last arc?

didn't jesus sacrifice himself to save us all from sin?
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>>153495003
In this case Gakuto is the messiah and he's being rewarded.
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>>153495059
I'd be inclined to agree.
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THE CAVALRY BATTLE WAS HELL. I'm SO happy it's over. That shit lasted leagues too long and wasn't even that interesting in the first place. I'm surprised I've stuck with Prison School through it cause I was thinking about tapping out. But I really like the characters so I hung in there.

As for what's gonna happen in the future...not too sure. It does seem like Hana is gonna do some shady shit because she's in love with Kyoshi. I ship her and Kyoshi pretty hard, but Chiyo is such a dear. I'll feel bad for her.

I'm annoyed that the story seems like it wants to blow up over a small misunderstanding though. It feels like the story doesn't know where to go at this point. I'm still sticking in there for the characters though, and the art.

These last 2 chapters WERE good though!! Kyoshi's face when he screamed "DON'T TOUCH ME (LOL)" had me dying. I hadn't laughed that hard at Prison School since the beginning of the story.
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>>153495286
I actually dropped this for a long time and only recently checked back. I think the worst is over though, the series didn't know where to go for the longest time hence why the last arc was drawn out, but the fact that the last arc was wrapped up so quickly and the quality of these last two chapters makes me optimistic we're back to the good old days.
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>>153495584
I don't trust him.
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Full KOR 243 scans
http://wasabisyrup.com/archives/ZWPs8FIoy3w

Partial JAP 244 scans
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/4982036495?red_tag=1471813988&pn=0&
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>>153495650
Fair enough, the last 100 chapters or so were truly painful.

>>153495681
Is koreabro still around?
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>>153494835
Hana is such a slut. Why people like her?
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>>153495730
Doesn't seem like it. But basically Kiyoshi plans to die with a boner to make everybody feel bad, Joe remembers what happened in "Mad Wax" so him and Shingo go after Kiyoshi.
Then Kiyoshi remembers all the dirty stuff that happened while at the school and gets his boner up. He remembers Hana kissing him and wonders why she did that but ultimately doesn't care.
Then the rope breaks through the cheap ass light he's trying to hang from and he falls on his ass (I think he slipped, since he fell backwards).
Finally Chiyo comes in and comforts him.
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>>153495846

Ahem...

HANA BEST GIRL BECAUSE DEEP DOWN KIYOSHI REALLY LOVE HER CHIYO IS JUST CRUSH REAL LOVE IS PEE AND KISS AND BONER AND PANTIES AND OUROBOROS

...in a nutshell. I was gonna go in the other direction and write a ridiculously wordy over-analysis but I think you catch my drift
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>>153495846
kys
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>>153495863
I don't even remember Hana kissing him.
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>>153496023
178, after she pees on him
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>>153495681
So what was the kanji mix up that made him think he was being told to die?
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>>153496081
reread it.
>tfw anime gf never
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>>153495863
what did she mean by this?
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>>153496150
Something about Tanabata which is July 7 and it's also Chiyo's birthday...which is 3 days from now since it's the Monday after the sports festival, which was July 2 2011, meaning it's July 4 in the manga
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>>153496327
What is the significance of the bottom-right panel?
I can't seem to classify its context correctly.
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>>153496373
Yeah, I mean even the chapter immediately after while he was washing himself he was confused on why she would pee on him and then kiss him
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>>153496430
5cm/s reference
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>>153494835
>Any ideas as to where this will go?
Kiyoshi-Chiyo penis in vagina.
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>>153496454
So I guess he does not want them together?

What a dick.
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>>153496454
Many interpret this as Hiramoto basically saying Hana doesn't get with Kiyoshi...which I'm fine with, but Hiramoto is the god of teasing so it's hard to predict where he's gonna take the story
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>>153496373
Is this the worst part of the manga? I don't mean the kiss but Kiyoshi wondering why she'd do it. What kind of 15 year old gets kissed by a girl and then goes "Hurdur why'd she do that?" Terrible writing by Hiramoto there.
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>>153496545
Yeah, if there's two things Aki likes, it's ship teasing and film references. I'm down for Chiyo end. MC's been to hell and back almost literally, he's earned it. Might be a perv but he's got SOME decency...
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>>153495681
So do girls give lap-pillows to guys they don't want to date?
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>>153494835
>It's finally over, the stupid cavalry battle
Fuck. Guess it's time to catch up then. What the fuck was the mangaka thinking?
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>>153496618
Interesting...I got a different vibe from it though. For me it was less about "I wonder why she kissed me?" and more about "why did this crazy girl pee all over me and then kiss me?" He was pretty shocked and ashamed after the peeing, so Kiyoshi went into his triggered state, as I call it...he does that often.
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>>153496770
She's pretty innocent, I doubt she'd pick up on the sexual overtones of that. Reminds me of the beginning of the Mad Wax arc, when she's feeding him and everybody sees it as dirty.
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>>153496833
Innocent or not, if it turns out she's not intrested in him romantically then she's huge fucking cocktease.

There's a break next week by the way.
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>>153495681
Hanafags getting dumpstered on one last time. Only girl for him is Chiyo.
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>>153496770
I dunno if she wants to date him, in this manga normalfag relationships basically don't exist. That said, we already know she likes him...my guess is if he confesses, they'll still like each other but stay friends, kinda like Gakuto x Mitsuko or Shingo x Anzu minus the on and off.
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>>153496893
This >>153496969
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>>153496944
I dunno...seems low for an author to dump all over one of his own characters, espcially one so beloved...
Unless you're Kishimoto, ammaright?
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>>153497250
nah, he knows the money is with Hanafags, hence the hana focus now. It doesn't mean she'll win, but I'll be happy with more of her and less of the shit student council or VP
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>Hana will never be your GF

why live.
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>>153498187
>you will never be peed on by Hana and then subsequently kissed passionately while being pushed down on your bed
;_;
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>>153494835

Kiyoshi turned moe.
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>>153496150
It said "Shine".
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>>153498482
he's always cute when around his bros
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>>153498292
Is pissing truly the thinking man's fetish?
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After a good pause I binge read 202-242 tonight and it was everything that I expected and more.

I regret not sticking with ongoing a bit because I also had to miss out on the discussion, but on the other hand the constant suspense would be too much.

The way I see it, there are two things people wanted skipped: characters they don't care about taking up space (a lot of characters were fleshed out during the battle) and bad things happening to characters (people just want to see near sex experiences with their favourite girls).

I did feel very happy when Andrew couldn't decide between vice pres and Risa in the end. Risa really grew on me. And Hana having to promise she would support Kiyoshi 's love for Chiyo? That shit was rough (LOL)

The biggest punch to the guts was no victory, no celebration. I wasn't prepared, but I guess it's darkest before the sun rises.

The way I see it, the next arc is exilement. I'll have to take a pause for another year or so.
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>>153499685
>also had to miss out on the discussion
Trust you missed nothing except maybe that time Kiyoshi's neck turned into a dick. After 220 or something threads pretty much completely dissapeared.
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>>153499768
I'm glad the threads are coming back to life now...we've also flushed out a lot of faggotry in the process
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>>153494835
Still waiting for the Wet T Shirt contest to be revealed as a misunderstanding and the boys take over with vengeance.
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>>153501918
I'm still thinking about it and it sounds way too stupid.
I mean, in a school full of girls who'S USC are a bunch of misoginist, they will going to do a wet t-shirt contest? Something initially created by males just to see some boobs?
The guys probably misunderstood this or it's something completely different of what they thought
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so Chiyo gave him the mightiest of boners
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>>153503174
Though the blood flowing to the dick may be warm, the blood flowing through the heart is even warmer
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>>153503125
Yeah, that never made sense to me either. I'm guessing the wet t-shirt contest is actually something else but through Hiramoto's ecchi powers, it's going to somehow turn into a wet t-shirt contest.
Calling it now, the last panel of the series will be a two-page spread of all of our girls (maybe even the boys) getting soaked.
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>>153501918
Yeah same, but it's not gonna happen.
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Will this shit ever end?
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>>153507140
All things come to an end.
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>>153494853
It can't fly but... it can float !
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>>153496944
Keep believing that
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To the anon who started that thread that just archived asking if Hana was gonna win: fuck no, she was never going to win
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>>153508773
I'm trying to understand. Are Chiyofags just contrarians, or do they actually like that bland and stupid character that is Chiyo ?
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>>153508868
That's like asking if Hanafags are masochists with pee fetishes, it's not that serious
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>>153508930
What ? They're not ?
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>>153508966
I know, shocking right? Anyways, Chiyo's not bland and boring, she's like any other side character. Most of the blind hate is just butthurt Hanafags. I like Hana too, I'm just not a fag about it.
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>>153508868
I like Kiyoshi as the MC. He loves Chiyo and, unlike Hana, Chiyo is loving and comforting. Hana did nothing but fuck that guy up.
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>>153508868
Oh, shit! We got a live one, boys! Reel this fag in
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>>153509141
I say ship whoever the fuck you want. Hell, you can ship Kiyoshi x Mr. Important for all I give a shit...but PLEASE, keep the faggotry OFF. There's other sites for that shit...
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>>153509041
>Chiyo's not bland and boring
She is. Even compared to any other side characters. She's nice and all, but she's boring. Even Mayumi is more interesting. Pic related is the only time she was entertaining

>>153509056
>He loves Chiyo and, unlike Hana, Chiyo is loving and comforting
She's just being nice to him, and he just likes the image he has of her.

>Hana did nothing but fuck that guy up.
And she will keep doing that until she fucks him __
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>>153509209
Mate, nearly every character has no development if you look at 'em individually. Even Kiyoshi. It's all about the relationships. You could argue Chiyo has more individual development than Hana and with less screentime, since all of Hana's development is based only on Kiyoshi.
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>>153509313
And how is that supposed to help her cause ? That makes Hana much more believable as the one winning Kiyoshi's bowl. She's the one he had the most interactions with, and the one giving him his dying boner. He will soon realize that Chiyo simply can't provide the level of adrenaline he needs to get that erection going now. He's too far gone
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>>153509209
If you prefer other characters than Chiyo, that's your opinion. I respect that. But it's pretty inaccurate to suggest she's any different than, I dunno...anybody who isn't Andre, Kate, Kiyoshi, Mari, Meiko, or Risa...those are literally the only characters who get any real development in the manga.
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>>153509384
What cause? Far as we know, Chiyo likes Kiyoshi but we don't know if she wants a relationship. Do any characters here ever get real functioning relationships?
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>>153509423
Funny you forgot Hana...
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>>153509469
She wants her birthday, kek
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>>153509384
That would make sense except he doesn't love Hana, he loves Chiyo. So what if he gets a boner, what 15 year old wouldn't?
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>>153509209
>>153509384
Your reading is so biased. He likes Chiyo and only her. He made that clear a thousand times. Besides, spoilers from 244 have him saying his most erotic moment is now that lap-pillow from Chiyo. Bye-Bye Hana.

It's funny because I do agree she had a chance to win the bowl but she blew it by keeping on being a cunt to Kiyoshi. She stayed truthful to her character though, so that's good writing I guess.
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>>153509530
>he doesn't love Hana, he loves Chiyo
Well we'll see, anon. We'll see. But I wouldn't be so sure about that, if I were you
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>>153509471
Like most characters here, Hana is exactly the same between the beginning and up until now
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>>153509554
>people saying something means that it is the truth
So funny.

>spoilers from 244 have him saying his most erotic moment is now that lap-pillow from Chiyo
I take that you read moons ? Even if that's true, he was on the verge of drinking piss from Hana's pussy, not so long ago. Kiyoshi has yet to realize some things
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>>153509588
Except she is in love now, and Kiyoshi is killing her softly.
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>>153509588
Anon here>>153509684 is right, that's a pretty big change
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>>153509384
When you look at something like Kiyoshi and Hana, you really think "yep that's a serious functioning relationship"? It never was and it was never supposed to be. Just enjoy the laughs, that's all it's good for.
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>>153509707
I wouldn't go as far as calling that love but we've known she was obsessed since way back when she first wanted revenge, it was obvious
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>>153509783
>yep that's a serious functioning relationship"?
>It never was and it was never supposed to be.
Exactly. That's why it would be hilarious that they would end up together, their whole relationship being based on pee shenanigans. Ending up with Chiyo makes no sense from a comedic point of view, and is boring in all aspects
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>>153509684
Christ, go read toradora or some shit
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>>153509849
>I wouldn't go as far as calling that love
Call me back when Kiyoshi kisses Chiyo, Chiyofag
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>>153509849
Come on now, do you need everything spelled out for you?
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>>153509921
>mangafox
Jesus, anon. You're not helping us here
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>>153509894
Notice how Hana's the one going for the kisses on Kiyoshi and not the other way around? Only time was that tease when Mitsuko walked in and that was Hiramoto fucking with you fags
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>>153509871
Why does the idea that the character is in love repulse you so? You are reading a manga that explicitly tells its readers that all you need is love.
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>>153509894
I love quoting this to piss off Hanafags. From Kiyoshi to Chiyo "even in death, I still love you."
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>>153509993
>Notice how Hana's the one going for the kisses on Kiyoshi and not the other way around?
Did you already forget the handholding and how Kiyoshi asks her to hit him before he kisses her ? Or how he wants to kiss her medusa ?
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>>153509971
Doesn't have anything to do with anything. I'd save images from batoto if the cunts didn't require me to login.
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The way y'all Hanafags will get BTFO when this manga ends is gonna keep me happy for a few days.
Let Kiyoshi have his fun during his teenage years when he's full of hormones and discovering stuff. Point is though : He's had no emotional connection with any other girl other than Chiyo. He'll come back to her in the end and look back at these years fondly and with a smile but that's all. First girl best girl faggots
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>>153510067
You're the one who sounds pissed anon. Once again, you Chiyofags only have words to back you up. We have acts. Come back when Kiyoshi kisses Chiyo
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If Chiyo wins anything other than a birthday party this manga is trash
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>>153510047
Not repulsed. Just find it stupid when people pull shit out of their asses to try to psychoanalyze why Kiyoshi "deep down loves Hana". It's retarded, he doesn't love Hana. Enjoy the moments Hana has with him, I know I will, but the MC wants what the MC wants.
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>>153510129
I would still keep my expectations in control if I were you
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>>153510190
That's the basic thing in psychology, anon. People rarely know what they want, or they're wrong about it
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Pay close attention. Shipping whoever is perfectly fine. This >>153510145 is Reddit-tier faggotry.
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>>153510067
>>153510129
It's true that Kiyoshi seems to be adamant about his feelings for Chiyo no matter how much progress he makes with Hana or anybody else for the matter.

I hope people didn't take it that seriously. Everybody is passionate about their favorite characters, but it doesn't look good when the thread devolves into a fight.

It will be very interesting to see what happens in the end.
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>>153510283
Keep crying
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>>153510280
Except Kiyoshi knows what he wants. Him getting hard doesn't mean he's secretly in love with her, it just means he's a teenage boy with hormones, big deal
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>>153503174
what does it say?
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>>153510348
Damn, somebody got triggered after seeing the ch. 244 raws...
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>>153510360
We'll see anon, we'll see.

>>153510402
I'm a Meikofag anyway, but I can't resist to tease you Chiyofags. You're so desperate it's amusing
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>>153510480
Chiyofag who? I'm a Marifag, but facts are facts
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>>153510386
Kiyoshi says : "I was wrong before... The most erotic moment I've ever lived... is this one! Hana is nothing but a bitch to me anyway!"
And he has the boner of a lifetime(as you can see from his neck)
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>>153510528
>facts are facts
This whole site has a fucked up definition of the word "fact", so yeah, if you want.
Also Mari is lesbian
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>>153510541
Don't know if he actually said that about Hana but I don't speak Jap. I can confirm though he did say while laying on Chiyo's lap that it was his most erotic/exciting moment.
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>>153510582
Mari doesn't trust men, but Kiyoshi will show her the way.
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>>153510480
>disguises shipfagging as teasing
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>>153511135
Let's make her bi and have ourselves a threesome with Mari and Kate, y'know what I'm sayin'?
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>>153511357
Kate is a tyrant who is bound to fall. Friendship will probably be a big theme again in this, seeing how Kate isn't really friends with anybody. She only kept Mitsuko by her side because of her superpower, which is probably the most shining example.

I wonder if she will be redeemed though. It's hard to tell with Hiramoto.
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>>153511620 #
I mean, she did call Risa her best friend. But oh yeah, she's the definition of tyrant. Hiramoto's such a good writer, though. He made me like Mari after hating her for the first third of the series so I'm sure Kate will be redeemed...I already like her, he just needs to make her less cunty.
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>>153511779
He made me like Kate with the ouroboros. Under the mask of cruelty there was affection.
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>>153511620
>She only kept Mitsuko by her side because of her superpower
[Citation needed]

She's also obviously sincerely friends with Risa. Don't see why she wouldn't be friends with Mitsuko. It's also clear there's a part of her that wants to be friends with Mari. Kate is a bully, calling her a tyrant is just stupid.
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>>153515039
I called her a tyrant because of the way she handled the crowd as well as her friends, both appeared to be her tools. She didn't care much for Andre who is an important person to her friend Risa, and she didn't hesitate using Mitsuko.

I agree that she is very much like Meiko, who too got charmed by Mari and didn't believe she would ever be worthy of a friend like her but kept trying, while Kate apparently gave and got frustrated..
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>fighting and shitposting about literally the best manga ever
sure the cavalry arc was pretty stupid but there is really no reason to start fights over the girls
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>>153517003
It's hard not to get passionate about this manga. I read the cavalry arc in one sitting and thought it was great too.
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>>153517056
I love it but I'm not going to discount anyone's opinion on who they think is the best girl openly
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>>153517003
What fighting? When Hanafags start flinging their bullshit around again it's only natural that other anons point out their delusions.
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This always happens when Hiramoto does his signature ship teasing, X-fags go wild and Y-fags and Z-fags react accordingly.
Shippers are just normal people enjoying the manga who might express here and there who they ship. Perfectly fine.
The fags are the ones constantly shitting out memes and flawed logic about why who they ship is the only person Hiramoto should pair his own characters with and all other options are inferior or else the manga shall be dropped despite how much enjoyment was had so far.
In short: ship whoever, just don't be a fucking faggot.
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>>153496944
Delusion at its finest.
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>>153499685
Reading each chapter week by week was very painful and was missing something that the previous chapters had...

I think it was suspense. I like all of the characters, but this was the one time I felt bored. Honestly, Hana and Kiyoshi's relationship bring the most tension into the story aside from when the boys were trying to get out of prison.
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>>153509041
>>153509056

Is Chiyo even truly a character? She's a plot device at this point.
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>>153509313
>Mate, nearly every character has no development if you look at 'em individually.

I don't agree with this at all. They all have had some type of development, but Gakuto, Kiyoshi, and Hana continue to be the most compelling of characters in the story.

Maybe you can include Mari, Meriko, Kate, and Risa, too, but to claim that none of the characters had no development is a bold faced lie.
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>>153509588
Are we reading the same story?!

Hana has come to terms with the fact that she is in love with Kiyoshi and doesn't even bother anymore like she used to. That's a HUGE leap from whereshe was at the beginning.
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>>153510190
>Just find it stupid when people pull shit out of their asses to try to psychoanalyze why Kiyoshi "deep down loves Hana".

Probably because of symbolism and the futon arc.
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>>153510528
Marifags are already delusional as it so I can see why they think that Chiyo is going to win.
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>>153519821
>HUGE leap from whereshe was at the beginning
>Hanafags actually believe this.
Is it just me or are Hanafags actually getting worse?
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>>153519821
So in other words, template tsundere? Right, and Chiyo's the only generic character...
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>>153519663
Compelling personality and character development, we're talking about two different things. Development requires that the character goes through some kind of change. For example, Gakuto's my favorite character. I agree, he's one of the most interesting. But from a development standpoint, he's the same person from beginning to now. He only becomes slightly less perverted when he meets Mitsuko.
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>>153520079
>>153520169
Stop being mad. A lot of characters had their fair share of development, including Hana.
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>>153520079
Sometimes better, sometimes worse. Depends on who was the last girl Kiyoshi was teased with. Like after ch. 243, I saw a lot of "thinking of Hana gave him his last boner, so she wins". But after ch. 244 spoilers, Hanafags got their panties in a bunch.
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>>153519663
His point was that the relationships are the only driving force of development, not that there is no development.
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>>153520413
Nobody's mad. It's just stupid when people make shit up just because HANA IS BEST GIRL
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>>153520413
>Stop being mad.
Stop projecting. And no Hana has had no character growth of any kind. The only ones that had are Mari and Meiko(in a way) but both regressed anyway.

And there's actually nothing wrong with that. It's a meme that a character needs "development" in order to be good or enjoyable.
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I don't understand people who keep arguing that, because Kiyoshi likes Chiyo that means that he's going to end up with her.

Realistically, in storytelling we do root for the guy to get the girl, and vice versa, but the girl also has to want the guy, too. He can't just get with her, because he likes her. That's bullshit and hamfisted storytelling. The feelings have to be mutual as opposed to just dependent on one party.There has to be romantic development from _both_ parties. We want them both to be together, because we feel that they can't exist w/o one another. They are meant to be together. So, Kiyoshi can love Chiyo until the day he dies, but if she doesn't love him back he's not going to get with her.

We are over 240+ chapters into the story and there has been NO, or very minimal, romantic development on Chiyo's part yet. What is Hiramoto waiting for? Even Asuna and Kirito in SAO got more romantic development than Kiyoshi and Chiyo and SAO is written nowhere near as good as Prison School. Hell, Mari and Kiyoshi are in a better position than Chiyo and Kiyoshi at this stage in the story. Just like Kate can't get with Mari, Kiyoshi can't get with Chiyo if she doesn't love him back.

If we find out that Chiyo does in fact love him then Chiyofags would have better leg to stand on, but they don't at this point in the story. Funny enough, Chiyofags utilize this same argument for Hanafags, even though the same thing applies to them.
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>>153520527
Damn straight, just enjoy the comedy. Even if Kiyoshi and Chiyo got together (which, seeing as this is Prison School, the chances of an actual relationship are low), you really think that's gonna stop the Kiyoshi x Hana moments? That might make them even funnier since it's stuff he shouldn't be doing with another girl. Hell, he already gets regretful after doing perverted shit with Hana because he knows he loves Chiyo. The Kiyoshi x Hana teasing is not exclusively tied to whether or not he's with Chiyo.
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>>153520527
>Hana has had no development in 240+ chapters.

I call bullshit on this unless you can provide a good reason as to why you claim this unless you are just shitposting.
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>>153520773
>Damn straight, just enjoy the comedy.

There are other elements to this story that some of us like to enjoy as well. It's ok to enjoy those other elements and want to discuss them. Those that enjoy the comedic elements should encourage discussion about that instead of trying to tell people what to enjoy and discuss.
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>>153520646
>Funny enough, Chiyofags utilize this same argument for Hanafags, even though the same thing applies to them.

Not necessarily, we already know Chiyo likes Kiyoshi. Now, whether or not she wants a relationship, that's a different story. Conversely, Kiyoshi shows attraction because...he's horny. No emotional connection on his end, there is on Hana's end though.
So yeah, both relationships are one-sided. There's no argument there. I think what pisses people off is when people try to say that Kiyoshi deep down really loves Hana, which is simply not true.
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>>153520795
>prove me a negative.
Yeah it doesn't work that way. Show me some proof that she's had some character growth, how is she different now than she was at the beginning of the manga? And developing a crush isn't character growth. That's normal for 17 year old girls.
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>>153520877
Nothing wrong with that. But taking something that is clearly comedic in nature, Kiyoshi x Hana, and making it more serious than it actually is just makes no sense.
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>>153520286
>But from a development standpoint, he's the same person from beginning to now.

Would Gakuto of now still encourage everyone to peak in the Girls' bathroom using Kiyoshi's cell phone?

No?

Then that mean he's went though some kind of development and changed as a character.
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>>153520795

She was the piss fetish girl from the start. She's still the piss fetish girl. She's only become more obsessed with Kiyoshi and worse, she's just as abusive to him and the other guys as ever. She hasn't grown an ounce as an individual since the start of the story.
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>>153520956
Did you just ignore the very next sentence, anon?

>He only becomes slightly less perverted when he meets Mitsuko.
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>>153520912
>Show me some proof
>But it has to be the kind of proof I approve of otherwise I won't consider it proof

By denying her whole character arc means you will never be convinced. You are setting up the entire discussion for failure, because you are telling us that you are not willing to be open-minded. This means that you have already made up your mind and won't be convinced no matter what.
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>>153521153
>You don't have an open mind!
Fuck off, seriously. What a disgusting way to argue. You're not providing any evidence for your claim because you don't have any. Stop putting trying to make this about me.
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>>153520646
Nobody's arguing that Kiyoshi WILL end up with Chiyo, that's a completely different argument. The argument is whether or not Kiyoshi loves Chiyo, which shouldn't be an argument because it's a fact that he does. But people insist that he deep down loves Hana or Mari which has no basis.
Now, whether or not Kiyoshi SHOULD be with Chiyo is up for debate, because that's all based on opinion.
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>>153521014
I didn't ignore it. I don't fully agree with it. I think going to prison made him less perverted. Before Gakuto was salivating at the thought of seeing women's underwear, even all by himself. At this point of the story he tries to respect Mitsuko and refused to look at the girls getting drenched with water, because now he has friends.

Would Gakuto of now be willing to sacrifice everything he's gained til now for that rare figurine? This I am not so sure about. I think he likes having friends and being able to talk to the opposite sex. That's something he wasn't able to do before. Some people would consider that character development or growth.

The person who is getting more perverted as time goes on is Kiyoshi though.
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>>153508868
Chiyo is the dream girl and Kiyoshi is right for going through the hardships to build a relationship with her while hana is easymode cause all you gotta do is piss on her and get your shit kicked.

in short, hanafags go for the low hanging fruit.

posting a meiko because I happen to have one
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>>153521235
Those were your words in a nutshell. If you don't like being called out for your shit then you shouldn't have said it in the first place.
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>>153521153
Anon, just say when exactly she gets development and how that changes her character. It only takes a couple of sentences. Here, I'll try:

Meiko: Starts off shy but gains confidence after meeting Mari. Regresses while imprisoned by Kate but comes back after reaffirming her loyalty to Mari.
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>>153521353
>Those were your words in a nutshell.
And now you're putting words in my mouth. Pathetic.

Now answer the question, retard, and stop playing ad hominim. How is Hana different now than she was at the start of the manga?
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>>153520978
>She's only become more obsessed with Kiyoshi and worse, she's just as abusive to him and the other guys as ever.

Which is exactly why she stopped trying to get 'revenge' and agreed to help him get with Chiyo. That's exactly the kind of thing she would have done at the beginning of the story, except that she didn't and wouldn't have.
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>>153521438
Different guy here:
It feels like there are changes.
The least of which are the mess of feelings stirred up by interactions with Kiyoshi.
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>>153521501
>It feels like there are changes.
What changes are that then? Her having feelings for Kiyoshi now hasn't changed her personality in the slightest.
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>>153521318
I dunno about that. After Mitsuko's first Rube Goldberg klutz episode, he was clearly fawning over Mitsuko losing her panties, even saying how glad he is that he left prison.
And then during the festival, again after another one of Mitsuko's incidents, he sees a bunch of girls getting wet and starts thinking that if he just enjoys this, then he won't need the wet t-shirt contest and he can be with Mitsuko and not fight the ASC.
Of course, he ultimately turns away but my original point was not that Gakuto has no development at all, I'm with you there. I'm just saying that most of the development is based on relationships more than individual characterization.
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>>153521418
>Meiko: Starts off shy but gains confidence after meeting Mari.

I am not sure if this counts, because this happened before the current story takes place. Meiko is still Meiko and hasn't really changed that much even though she has become herself again. Even then we are not sure how much of Meiko is back to herself yet and what might have changed about her.

So while I appreciate your attempt, it's not that good of an example.
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>>153521592
>it's not that good of an example
Not him but yes it is. Just because it wasn't part of the story since the beginning doesn't change that she had character growth and that we witnessed it firsthand.
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>>153521318
More perverted? I don't think so. More confident, definitely. I guess by extension it makes him more forward with his perversion, but it also makes the decent side of him more forward too. It was pretty impressive that he held himself back from groping Chiyo.
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>>153521592
It's the best I got, really...I dunno, the characters have a way of regressing whenever they do go through some legit development. My point was more about if Hana's development is so obvious, then just say how based on what the writer has shown us and end the argument right there.
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>>153521572
>I dunno about that. After Mitsuko's first Rube Goldberg klutz episode, he was clearly fawning over Mitsuko losing her panties, even saying how glad he is that he left prison.

I agree, but he also held back and started talking about her 'honor.' Old Gakuto would have just leered. New Gakuto has some decency to check himself and look away or to wait for his friends. You can even say he's the kind to sneak a look rather to just look unabashedly.

Almost like he has matured or something.
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>>153521873
Fair enough, you got me there. Gakuto's a good example of character development. Now, he seems to be more of the exception than the rule though...most of the characters just stay the same. I thought we got development with Mari for example but her saying "truly men are trash" after the helicopter crash makes me unsure, y'know?
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>>153521670
No, it's not. Meiko did progress as a character, but her changes were relegated to before the story started. Whatever change's she's made after becoming Moeko we don't know about, because we haven't been shown it. As of right now Meiko is the same character that she's been at the beginning of Kiyoshi's story that she is right now until we get to see her again.

Mari, on the other hand has made some changes. She would not even talk to boys and decided that they were all gross creatures dead set on making women miserable. Yet, she got to a point where she able to rely on them to help her out even if she called Kiyoshi useless and trash.

That's a better example of development in our current story.
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>>153521571
I think she grew a tiny bit character-wise.
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>>153521699
From the beginning I felt that Kiyoshi fancied himself as the 'the more sensible one' or the least perverted and I think we as the audience were supposed to insert ourselves into him, because of that.

Yet, Kiyoshi is experiencing new things and is challenging his notion of being 'not as bad as those guys.' Yet, the only other person who rivals him on that account is Andre. The difference with Andre is that he embraces who he is and Kiyoshi is trying to separate himself from it.
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>>153522012
Like I said that doesn't change the fact that she has clearly developped as a character and that we saw it happen.

Not that it matters much anyway. All this development shit is so overrated anyway. Characters need to be flawed to be fun. Take Meiko, she was the most intresting when she was getting the food for the boys because it showed that she had some internal conflict and that she was more than just Mari lackey#1. You want characters who are layered and have some depth to them. I'll take that over some development any day.
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I think Hana will lose by default since she's a class above Kiyoshi, she's in a year with Mari and Kate, not Kiyoshi and Chiyo.

So when Hana leaves the school, she'll leave Kiyoshi to Chiyo.
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>>153521984
>I thought we got development with Mari for example but her saying "truly men are trash" after the helicopter crash makes me unsure, y'know?

There's going to be more story so Mari's issues with men can't be totally resolved yet. Otherwise there would be no need for her character anymore.
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>>153522196
>challenging his notion of being 'not as bad as those guys.'
How? Are you one of those Hanafag retards who insists he enjoyed being pissed on?

Kiyoshi's development on that regard came very early in the manga when he couldn't understand why the others were enjoying Meiko's abuse. Until they explained it to him and he was more or less OK with Meiko's abuse. After that nothing really changed in him.
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Watch closely, kids. This:
>>153521873
>>153522012
>>153522196
>>153522209
is how sensible people actually make a case for their arguments and back them up with concrete evidence. Good job, anons.
Just putting this out there, could we also say that Risa's developed too? Not counting the flashback, but could we say she's different between when we first saw her and when we last, or is that purely based on her relationship with Andre? I'm conflicted on that.
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>>153522330
I guess we won't really know until we see the fallout of her and Andre, which is probably what I'm looking the most forward to at this point, honestly
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>>153522209
>Take Meiko, she was the most intresting when she was getting the food for the boys because it showed that she had some internal conflict and that she was more than just Mari lackey#1. You want characters who are layered and have some depth to them. I'll take that over some development any day.

There was also the fact that she was most vulnerable when she was with Mari, I feel. Even with the boys Meiko rarely showed vulnerability, but she does around Mari. She seeks Mari's approval and never did around the boys. I think that if Meiko's character was to truly develop it would be to realize that she can be her own person w/o relying on Mari.

But I agree with you. It's also why I'm interested in knowing what's going to happen with her character and if the relationship between Mari and Meiko will change a bit. Will Meiko feel bad for having to let Mari fend for herself and have to deal with the same boys she hated? Will Mari be open to dealing with them again now that Meiko is back in the picture?
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>>153522330
She seems in a better place at least, since Kate told her she was her best friend.
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>>153522318
>Are you one of those Hanafag retards who insists he enjoyed being pissed on?

No.

>>153522318
>Kiyoshi's development on that regard came very early in the manga when he couldn't understand why the others were enjoying Meiko's abuse. Until they explained it to him and he was more or less OK with Meiko's abuse. After that nothing really changed in him.

I feel like that was beginning of his depraved journey that he's currently on. But has nothing changed? I think Kiyoshi's changed a lot. He maybe still in a bit of denial and still going through a sexual awakening, but he's changed a lot.
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>>153520936
>clearly comedic in nature
Does it have to be comedic only? Have you read the latest chapters? Do you think the classic love triangle setup is there only to end up with a joke?
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>>153522907
That's all it's ever been so far. For pretty much every relationship, really. They're all mostly based on some kind of pretense, with varying degrees of fucked up-ness.
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>>153522907
The only actual relationships I see here that aren't fucked up somehow are the friendships. Maybe that's supposed to be a statement on the power of friendship or some shit...
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>>153521571
This is the thing though. Is it about changing personality necessarily? This I'm not sure about, but I think it's why you might be looking for the wrong answer in regard to Hana.

For example, would Hana of now make the same decisions and take the same actions that she did in the beginning of the story and vice versa? No, I don't think so.

Going over from what I remember of the futon arc, even though she had every chance to get her 'revenge' on him she kept forgetting to even do that. It wasn't a priority for her anymore. This pales in comparison to Hana from the first arc who spent, pretty much, most of her screen time declaring her thirst for revenge. By the time she did get to have her 'revenge' I'm pretty sure she probably didn't want to, it was an accident. After she did pee on him she didn't even gloat about it. She was about to run out of that room like she had post-hookup regret.

Her finally being able to kiss him is her coming to terms with her own feelings. That's a HUGE progression for her character considering how long she was in denial for. To blow it off as 'just a normal crush' is refusing to see the bigger picture. Yes, it's just a crush. Lots of people have crushes, but for Hana realizing her crush is a huge step for her character.

Pic related. This is foreshadowing and a set up for when she kissed Kiyoshi later.
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>>153522907
I don't think so. I think Kiyoshi's relationships with both Hana and Chiyo represent his struggle of growing up and maturing mentally and physically.

It is a comedy, but it's still a coming of age story first.
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>>153523382
>That's a HUGE progression for her character considering how long she was in denial for.
Jesus Christ, this headcanon. She was never in denial. The image you posted literally shows that she wasn't in denial.
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>>153523475
If she wasn't in denial she would have kissed him herself instead of 'challenging' him to make the first move. She wouldn't have used blackmail as an excuse to take pictures with him.

I don't understand why you have a problem seeing this when it's clear as day.
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>>153523563
>challenging' him to make the first move
Well someone doesn't understand women.

If she was in denial she wouldn't want him to kiss her at all, you retard.
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>>153523382
I liked how you actually managed to separate Hana from Kiyoshi and analyze her individually. Nice. The only part where I would disagree is

>Going over from what I remember of the futon arc, even though she had every chance to get her 'revenge' on him she kept forgetting to even do that. It wasn't a priority for her anymore.

But by your own admission, that's from what you remember. Actually, up until when she actually pees on him, every scene between the two is her exacting some kind of revenge or blackmail on Kiyoshi, mind you, there weren't that many. But even after she finally got what she wanted, she was still really possessive with him. So that aspect of her character, which I personally find annoying, hasn't changed but that's all personal taste.
Where I see the most disparity is when pepole who ship Kiyoshi x Hana take the info that you presented, and twist it to make that relationship seem mutual. Good on you for actually sticking to facts, anon. I approve.
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>mfw people claim falling in love doesn't count as character development
>mfw people tell me I should only appreciate this manga for its comedic value
Everything Kiyoshi is saying could be a big fat joke, and there would still be a lesson to be learned.

Hana's character has gone through quite a lot: getting closer to Kiyoshi, then getting her friendship with Mari tested when Kate confronts her about her relationship with Kiyoshi, falling in love, then having to refuse her feelings in order to promise Kiyoshi she would support his love for Chiyou to get them through the battle, and - coming right up - getting her heart broken.

Sure, you don't see the end result right away. The mangaka can't afford to change a whole character in a single chapter - unless it's a supporting character, who gets less screen time and have to made do with the little space they have, like Roar-chan, the idol. For the primary staff it will take more than that. It will be gradual. Just enjoy it while it lasts.

Somebody pointed out how Mari is still calling men trash. That's not because we are stalling. It will take more than that to fix her trust issues, and the solution is coming. It's a story about people learning to understand each other, something we could use in this thread.

>Meiko only returned to her previous self
She managed to sing the song, that was huge.
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>>153523877
The act of falling in love isn't character development. The ways that falling in love affects who the character is as a person IS character development.
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>>153523877
>>mfw people claim falling in love doesn't count as character development
It isn't you retard. And going through something isn't character growth either.

I swear Hanafags are getting dumber by the day. Please tell me there's some with at least a bit of sense left.
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>>153523663
Sure.
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>>153523877
Gotta understand the difference between plot and character. When a character just does something or something happens to the character, then it's just plot. But when the writer dives into how the character is affected internally, and their actions and thoughts change because of it, then that's character. Hiramoto only focuses on what matters, so we can't just assume that Hana's going through some kind of internal struggle because we're only seeing her from the outside. For all we know it could be as simple as girl obsessed with revenge on a boy develops feelings. But does that affect the essence of who Hana is? Well, she's still as violent and controlling as ever so I wouldn't say that.
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>>153523955
But Hana offered to help And support Kiyoshi's relationship with Chiyo despite the fact that she loves him. That was one of the most selfless things she's done in this manga.
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>>153524037
Admitting your feelings and coming to terms with them after being in denial IS growth. I think we're going to agree to disagree on this one.
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>>153524167
Sure, you shouldn't give her too much credit though. Ultimately, she did it for the USC's sake, she just had to get Kiyoshi on board.
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>>153524226
Again, she's not in denial and even she were it wouldn't be fucking character growth. It'd just be realising your feelings. It doesn't change anything about your character. People fall in love all the time and usually figure it after it has happened. This doesn't mean they've suddenly grown as a character, that's fucking retarded.
>we're going to agree to disagree on this one.
Fuck off back to facebook.
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>>153524167
It wasn't all that selfless since she got something out of it that she obviously finds more important than her relationship with Kiyoshi. Still it's a nice thing to do I guess. Too bad she uses to sabotage them instead.
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>>153524083
>Hana hasn't changed because she's still controlling and violent

She's not as violent and intimidating as she was in the beginning of the manga so let's get that straight. She, too, has matured in this manga otherwise she would still be running after Kiyoshi with some new excuse and threatening to reveal shit to Chiyo.

A better example of a character who has remained the same regardless is Chiyo. She hasn't changed one bit since the beginning of the story.
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>>153524318
That's the way you see it.
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>>153524318
If that was just the case then there's no reason to honor that after the contest is over.
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I think we can all agree that Hana does go through some change, it's just not particularly profound. It's the tsundere archetype that's been popular in manga for decades.
I think the argument that plagues these threads the most is whether or not she and Kiyoshi can work as a couple.
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>>153524392
No she didn't. Kiyoshi read the letter wrong. He did this back when Chiyo tried to warn him about the USC's trap.
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>>153524441
There's no reason, but a promise is still a promise. Part of Hana's character is that she says she'll do something, she does it.
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>>153524406
>She's not as violent and intimidating as she was in the beginning of the manga so let's get that straight.
She was kicking him in the ass repeatedly for no reason not even that long ago. Stop being delusional.
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>>153524450
No, there's some anon in this thread that can agree on all the other characters having changed and grown except Hana for some reason. What's worse is that they are claiming that it's just delusional Hanafags with their headcanon not realizing they're projecting.
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>>153524406
You could argue that Chiyo getting jealous and acting like a slut to keep Kiyoshi from Mari is development. But that's all based on the same logic to make a case for Hana's development. So I say either they're both developed, or neither of them are developed.
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>>153524489
Yes, she did. There was no reason to rip up the letter and shove it in his moisture filled mouth.
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>>153524392
Wow, you really think she's a total cunt.
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>>153524550
That's because she was being the tsukomi to his boke?

How can people complain about people skipping over comedy elements in the manga when scenes like this are taken so literally?! Her kicking his ass in this scene isn't the same when she was doing it when she first met them. In the beginning she was being mean as fuck. The time she did it recently she was trying to get him to get his act together.
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>>153524562
I think that was more in the context of whether or not Hana's growth means she's gonna win Kiyoshi, I could be mistaken though, that's what it felt like to me...after all, the anon claiming Kiyoshi somehow loves Hana is pretty annoying
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>>153524450
>tsundere
When is Hana ever dere? The only time I can remember is when she's looking at his broken wrist after she punched. And that's pretty lite.
The true tsundere of this series is Mari, who swtiches from insulting to praising him quite a few times.
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>>153524676
I guess I do. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Hana. It's just that I can see her for what she is. unlike a lot of Hanafags.
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>>153524598
When people are upset they might resort to violent behaviour. This thread is a good example.
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>>153524684
I guess you could count the second time she kisses him and some more subtle moments like her saying she'll help clear things with Chiyo. The word tsundere's changed meanings over the years though. What I mean is the classic "first sour, then sweet". The on-and-off tsundere is more of a modern trope.
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>>153524570
How has that affected her relationship and her since? I don't really know, because Chiyo hasn't really been explored as a character. We do not know what she wants. What she desires. Even Risa has gotten more development as Chiyo. Anyone trying to claim that Hana and Chiyo has gotten the same amount of development needs to go have a seat somewhere else.
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>>153524677
Her violent tendencies were always comedic you idiot. Or do you think her splitting Shingo's head in 2 with a kick was supposed to be serious? But yeah kicking and hurting someone repeatedly isn't being mean when it's convenient to your point, right?
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>>153524682
If only that was truly the case.
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>>153524757
Well that's my point, she's mostly just tsun. The kiss is dere too but there is just so little dere from apart from that. She never really goes sweet.
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>>153524767
Not the same amount. The same TYPE. I'm not talking about volume, I'm talking about density.
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>>153524730
You are not that special. Please get off your high horse.
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>>153524770
It was comedic, but it was still mean. It's all about context my dear dummy.
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>>153524842
I guess we won't really know for sure until the series ends. I could only make the comparison to classic manga in retrospect, seeing as those series are already over while this one is still going.
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>>153524767
As individuals? Yes, same amount of development: very little. With Kiyoshi? That's where the difference lies. Like what's been mentioned a few times earlier on the thread, most of the development happens between characters. Very little of it happens individually.
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>>153524942
Let me give you a life lesson, anon. When someone has to physically hurt you, they are mean. Whatever their reasons. And it's not like she just gave him a slap. She was kicking him repeatedly to get him to do what she wanted, completely ignoring his feelings too. Don't turn into something it's not.
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>>153524842
I would rather her not be either. I like the randomness of her actions. It keeps the story interesting.
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>>153525071
Well I consider it a good thing that she doesn't really fall under a very broad character archetype.
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>>153525052
Here's my take. Hana has strong feelings for Kiyoshi, but she's also very dominating. Now, if Kiyoshi was an M like Andre, good. After all, she's not too different personality wise from Risa. Evidently though, he doesn't seem to be into that. So what exactly is the debate here? Seems like two debates happening on top of each other
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>>153525052
The fact that you are adamant on her being still violent and intimidating as fuck, but then claim to know that it's for comedic affect others me and I don't know why.
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>>153525254
*bothers me
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>>153525254
To be fair though, only a week has passed since she forced him to let her pee all over him
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>>153525170
I don't know all that much about masochists and doms myself but I'm pretty sure there's a relationship of trust between the 2 and doms don't just go around on the street whipping people on the off chance that someone is an m. And it should really have been clear to Hana that Kiyoshi isn't into it when he was whimpering in the corner in fear of her. So I don't really see what your point is.
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>>153525293
>forced him to let her pee all over him
It was an accident. Why do you sound so biased?
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>>153525170
I don't know. I think that anon just thinks that Hana is doing this for the sole reason of being a bitch and hasn't grown as a character, because she still hits him. Yet, this is a big part of her character and a driving factor for a some of the comedy in the series.
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>>153525254
To us, the readers, it's hilarious. For the MC though, it's terrifying.
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>>153525254
Do you not understand that there is a difference to how we, the readers, view something and how the characters themselves view something?
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>>153525370
I think we have the same point, that the relationship is one sided
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>>153525376
Because they are biased, but they're too biased to realize it.
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>>153525426
Well yes but I thought my point was that Hana is still as violent as she was in the beginning of the manga.
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>>153525383
How do you know? Kiyoshi didn't seem all that terrified when she kicked him recently? It seems like you are just projecting at this point.
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>>153525376
Stalking him until she has the chance to pee on him is an accident?
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>>153525463
Oh hell yeah, she definitely is
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>>153525370
So you don't see anything erotic or romantic in their relationship? It's bizzare because the very things that appeal to a lot of people must feel dark and violent to you.
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>>153525467
Actually, he was freaking out about being kicked because it was going to expose him to the whole school. But to your point, the peeing incident happened earlier that same exact day. So yeah, her being dominating isn't exactly "in the past".
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>>153525505
It's not about what it is to me, it's about how it is to Kiyoshi. How am I supposed to see something romantic in their interactions when Kiyoshi is afraid of her? And she causes him to go into a mental breakdown?
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>>153525505
I see the romance...from HER end. He's not interested in that at all. Attracted, sure. He's horny. But emotionally? Nah, that's all one-sided.
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>>153525505
Well it seems that way when you show the one scene of Kiyoshi expressing some kind of genuine emotion toward Hana, even if it isn't love. But there's plenty of scenes of Kiyoshi being tormented. Of course they're hilarious to us, but Kiyoshi's not enjoying himself.
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>>153525438
Anyone can spout that empty platitude and prop themselves up as being the "objective" one. Each and everyone of us here has some kind of bias. The problem is not being able to separate fact from opinion.
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Is Kiyoshi no longer dead inside?
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>>153526432
No, he's just saved by the power of boner.
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>>153525605
You don't have to bring me into your argument with other people.
>>153525588
It is about you, since it's your interpretation of the events.
>Kiyoshi is afraid of her
This is the part where your mind kicks in and you put the primary focus on the dark and violent parts.
>>153525688
In my opinion, he's enjoyed much of it. But hey, it's not like we can say for sure.
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>>153527199
You're as bad as /u/-fags. It's almost funny really.
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>mfw Chiyofags are the new Reifags
It's your destiny to lose. Accept it already
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Boobs > ass
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>>153528255
Why not both ?
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>>153528383
I've honestly had enough of this shit character
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>>153529461
Take that back
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>>153528383
Am I the only one who wants to fuck Moeko in the ass?
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>>153529607
No. ))
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>>153529461
I don't like her either but this is pretty much a series built from the ground up for pandering.

She's got an audience, let it be.
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>>153529718
Just because lots of people like her doesn't mean I shouldn't say it like it is - We had too much of her shit in the last arc and who honestly enjoyed it? She is a shit character.
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>>153527736
So says the anon who can't tell separate his feelings from Kiyoshi's truth.
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>>153525780
That is true, but that anon is really convinced that they aren't biased and are able to see some ultimate truth when they just as guilty of bias as anyone else. Claiming that Kiyoshi is deathly afraid of Hana even to this point of the story even though his actions don't support is damn near deluded.
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>>153525688
Being in situations that challenge the way we think, act, and see the world as humans aren't necessarily to be enjoyable. They are frightening, but they are supposed to make us stronger. If Kiyoshi was that afraid of Hana he wouldn't have been as eager to help her when he has. He would be doing everything in his power to get away from as evidenced in the first arc.
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>>153525546
>dominating her
>suggests that she pee on him in his room
>keeps reminding her that she's supposed to take her revenge when she clearly forgot

Clearly the actions of someone who is scared shitless.
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>>153525471
It's convenient to see it that way when you intentionally skip all of his actions. You sound like you have a victim complex.
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Look at how not afraid Kiyoshi is. He's clearly enjoying it, no fear there whatsoever.
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>>153525421
That can apply to you as well.
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Another fine example of Kiyoshi enjoying Hana-san. Him begging her to stop just means he's enjoying it more.
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Kiyoshi is just pretending to be scared here.
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I'm glad Cavalry Namek is over, but this new Hana/Chiyo war is not much of a good replacement.
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>>153531677
But he's not afraid.

>>153531735
They are both afraid here. Are you going to ignire the fact that she started crying after this, too? Or does that not support your argument that Hana is just an evil bitch?
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>>153532148
>Shitty justifications
Just go away Hanafag. You've been btfo enough today.
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>yfw Chiyo wins anyways
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>>153532286

The journey is what matters. Just enjoy the ride.
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>>153532286
If the mangaka wants to show how a normal highschooler would act, hana should win the kiyoshibowl easiely.
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>>153532433
>Normal
As if any of these characters are normal high schoolers in a normal high school
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>>153534504
>he didn't get piss and get pissed on in high school
wew
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>>153532148
Does her crying somehow make her less of a bitch? I wouldn't call her evil but she is still a bitch
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>>153531523
Um, yes he's still scared? That's what you do when you know something bad is going to happen so you just want to get it over with already
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>>153531485
But does that in any way affect Kiyoshi viewing Hana as a love interest? No, and that's the fact that blind Hanafags can't accept. It's been said before, if you like Hana then that's cool. But don't make shit up about Kiyoshi to make your ship bigger than others, that's just retarded.
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>>153531561
His actions are provoked by her though. You don't see him going out of his way to get peed on, it's always after she pressures him. Him taking control of the situation is not him suddenly "enjoying" Hana. He does it because if he doesn't, then she'll keep harassing him.
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>>153534530
Didn't go to a high school with a built in prison and 1000 girls to 5 boys either, for that matter
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>>153525505
That's just the most plain and childish way of showing a development: a bunch of violent and sexually forced actions towards someone is pretty much manipulation and not bonding at all. I know for a lot of anons this is the easy way of make sure that someone is truly devoted, but that's actually a mental illness and not a healthy way of develop a relationship. Anyway, romcoms do it too, not in this way, but in a worse one.
Love is fucked up in this century.
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>>153535087
Unfortunately, that's what happens when people take comedy too seriously
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>>153534832
>his local all girls school didn't get turned coed just at the time when you were supposed to go to the high school
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>>153536987
Convenient ridiculous premise to set up sexual situations. The crux of all ecchi, harem, and hentai. Don't be dense.
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>>153503174
Welp. Hana lost. Damn.
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>>153535087
So sexual actions are no way to develop a healthy relationship?
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>PS threads are alive once again thanks to the end of the arc
>it's full of retarded shipperfags once again
Seriously, there are people believing that Chiyo will win ?
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>>153540339
PEOPLE WILL (LOL!) ARGUE OVER FUCKING ANYTHING (LOL!)

Also, you're doing it right now. (ASS!)
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>>153540339
>shipfagging while calling out shipfags
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>>153540175
If it only benefits one side and only one person has an emotional investment (Hana) then hell fucking no it's not healthy
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I just caught up.

The last arc was enjoyable all around until the dumb ending.

Isn't all this leading towards the end of the manga? I don't see what kind of arc he could pull off at this point.
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>>153541196
Hana roundhouse kicks Kiyoshi into a coma, and he becomes trapped in Prison School until he wakes up.

Prepare to get milked
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>>153541196
I actually liked the ending but I also think it's setting up the end. We still have a few loose ends to tie up but I think we have about a year and a half to two years left.
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>prison school
>prison is no more
what's hiramoto's endgame
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>>153542102
Rebuild of Prison School : You can (not) pee
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>>153542239
What if she had an urinary infection when she peed on Kiyoshi?
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