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How does it feel to be shot bobbinfags?

Ch. 856 Liar

Mirror World
Chopper and the others realize that Sanji has disappeared from inside the castle.
Nami guesses that both Luffy and Sanji could be at the place that they fought.
Chopper starts to cry after hearing that Luffy and Sanji fought.
Jinbe warns that they should hurry and leave soon before the wedding ceremony tomorrow.

Jinbe: "You guys came together with Pekoms, right?"
Chopper: "Is he safe!?"
Jinbe: "To begin with, I should inform you that he is safe. However, that guy got embroiled in a conspiracy and was attempted to be made shark food.

Sweet City
A gunshot can be heard in the rain.

Bobbin: "Damn it... you guys..."

Bobbin falls over

6th floor Baum (I don't know what this word means).
The Vinsmokes are all drinking.
The barmaids are all passed out.
They are celebrating that they have Big Mom's backing due to Sanji.

Town outskirts
Luffy awakens to the smell of the bento.

Sanji: "If you can eat, eat up."

The bento had been dropped and become soggy due to the rain.
Luffy chows down like its delicious-looking.

Luffy: "Delicioussssss!!
Sanji: "Liar."

Sanji warns Luffy about trying to leave after he finishes the bento.
He tells a resistant Luffy that there are 3 reasons why he can't leave with him.
1. He insulted and wounded his own captain.
2. The people of Baratie's lives are currently taken hostage.
3. The family that shares his blood is currently going to be all killed. He can't run away and leave them to that fate.

After Sanji is finished explaining his feelings and reasoning, Luffy punches him.

Luffy: "TELL ME YOUR TRUE FEELINGS!!!"

A crying Sanji: "I want to... return to the Sunny-Go!!!"

While he's crying, Sanji explains that he wants to save those bastards that he doesn't think of as family.

Luffy: "...OK! That's your decision! We're all here for you! We'll destroy that ceremony!!"

Break next week.
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>>153483800
>Ichiji is actually a damsel Sanji needs to save
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>Break next week
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>>153483800
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>>153483848
>Whitebeard's advanced age and sickness made him the weakest one

What makes you say that? If it weren't for the fact they were holding Ace on the island Whitebeard could presumably have just sunk the island without a fight.
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>>153483864
have you not being paying attention to this arc?

Reiju will be the damsel and Ichiji will be the Rob Lucci of the arc that Sanji will face against.
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>>153483881
I don't see Sanji there.
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>>153483918
>I will save them
>Sanji will fight them
Already a retard of the thread
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>>153483800
>break next week
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>>153483947
Are you fucking retarded? He's the outlier of the family just from the way hes acting. hes going to try and stop Sanji from fucking up their plans with Big Mom.

Kys
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>>153483925
Bobbin pretty much took Sanji's place after getting kicked by him.
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Is Bege stronger than Sanji?
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>>153483800
So what happaned?
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>Bobbin gets BTFO by some not-so-supernova
BOBBINFAGS ANNIHILATED
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>>153484072
>With his crew
yes

>without a crew
hes pretty much fodder tier.
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>>153483914
>Shanks' appearance made everyone stop fighting
>Kaidou apparently can't die
>Big Mom can swipe the life from you

He's still incredibly strong, but the other three still win-out if they 1v1 him. In his prime I'm sure he was a monster, but even a point-blank rage-fueled quake-powered punch to Akainu didn't do anything more than inconvenience him.
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Big Mom seems like she has a weaker crew than Doflamingo
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>>153483881
>Jobbin
>Jobber
>Job-sama
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>>153483947
You're a special one aren't you?
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>>153484135
Akainu is probably an absolute monster who can shrug off ridiculous damage because of his "I hate pirates". Look at how deranged he got after standing back up a few times.
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Do you think Luffy will become a Yonkou?
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Will Luffy get gear fifth to defeat Big Mom and BTFO Bigmomfags
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>>153484372
no
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>>153483918
There's no fucking buildup for Ichiji at all. The only reason anyone even expects him to be a player in the arc at all is because he's the cool silent one. As far as the actual narrative is concerned he's just the default leader of the trio that bullied Sanji throughout his childhood, and a way to further characterize Judge as a piece of shit. He barely qualifies as a character, let alone one fleshed out enough to become one of this arcs central villains at the last second.

Reiju, Judge and Sanji are the heart of the Vinsmoke subplot. There's big players like Big Mom, Pudding and Bege who've been scheming and running the show this entire arc. There's dozens of named Big Mom minions who've been interacting with the Straw Hats and still need to be properly taken out. There's no tension in a battle with Ichiji. If he battles Sanji at all it's going to be him and his brothers trying to gang up on him again, and Sanji kicking their asses to show that he's outgrown them. Not some bullshit about him taking out a Sweet Commander, usurping Judge or whatever other bullshit is circulating these threads.

Then again his shirt is inked in a different color and I guess that matters more than anything else when making predictions.
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>>153484372
Simply because he's the MC I can guarantee he will never become a Yonkou.

It's amazing enough that he got a fleet
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>>153483800
Bobbin? More like JOBBIN, amirite?
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>>153483800
Shit and unoriginal writing.
>tell me your real feelings hurr
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>>153484434
Yonkou isn't an organization you apply for, if Luffy becomes powerful enough and gains enough allies the government might start considering him as one.

Luffy might also decide that planting his flag on an island is the easiest way to keep it safe from whatever bullshit ala Fishman Island
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>>153484441
Dumb frogposter
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>>153484390
Why not
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THE ONE PIECE IS friendship
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>>153483800
finally, "I WADDA COOK!!!" moment happened

i'm happy
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>>153484810
No. One Piece is about the journey.
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>>153484376
No need. His Gear 4 is extremely strong. When in Gear 4 he literally toyed around with Doffy and punched him around like a ragdoll. Sanji or Caesar is going to do something about his time constraint and he's going to beat the shit outta BM.
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>>153483881
Put sanji in there.

It'll be the holy quad jobbers
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>>153484944
Not how it works idiot
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>>153484968
t. Sanjifag
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>>153484436
In all seriousness, though - I had hoped Bobbin would give us the first real fight of this arc, and feel severely let down.
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>I WADDA COOK
Oda really has run out of ideas
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>TELL ME YOUR TRUE FEEELINGGS

This will be cannon soon.
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>>153484939
Law is just gonna use a Haki Transfusion Operation to recharge him during the battle with Kaido.
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Why is Capone going around shooting niggas without giving a damn?
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>>153483800
>Break next week.

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
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>>153483918
It will be revealed Judge did everything because he wants to take down the WG.
He has a history with Vegapunk, and in the final war with the Marines, Sanji and the Vinsmokes will fight Kizaru and the WG science team.
The foreshadowing is pretty obvious here even for Oda.
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>>153485562

the arc will obviously end with Judge and all the family bawling their eyes out and apologizing to Sanji because the condition of having no feelings will wear off somehow.
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>Break next week
>again
Let's pass the time with this shitty CYOA image I shat out
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>>153483881
>implying bobbin had any kind of buildup aside from his first appearence
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is jack really a jobber though?
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>>153485913
>carpal tunnel
good I use a controller
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>>153483800
Year of Capone
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>>153484026
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>>153485913
I'd be down for some EDF with Franky
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>>153485296
More like I WADDA COCK
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>>153483800
year of Sanji
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Legit question here: why we're people actually hyping up and theorizing about this fucker?
We saw him speak to Big Mom once and everyone assumed he was a commander. Because Big Mom's subordinate spoke to her.
Then when the commanders were revealed people were clammoring that he was still commander tier. Despite nothing proving it.
Then he got his face kicked in and his pitiful bounty revealed and people were saying "just because he's on a yonkou crew thusly well known to the government doesn't mean the government knows what he can do! He can still be strong!"
Now he's shot and in a ditch.

The only thing I can think of was him being in the revenge army. But a LOT of people were in the revenge army. And Bobbin wasn't even shown doing anything.
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Is the Strawhats ruining the wedding the biggest "fuck you" since Enies Lobby?
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>>153484135
Big Mom's power's don't work if you aren't afraid though.

She'd be able to hurt him with Zeus, Prometheus, and Napolean, but I don't think she'd win in a straight up fight.

Whitebeard died without a single wound on his back after all
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I kinda want to see more of the minor Big Mom crew.
Shame people like the longarm girl and these quadruplets will probably never be named outside of an SBS, or shown doing anything. I kinda like em.
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>>153483800
HAPPENED
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>>153485445

SaNa BTFO
WE FUJO NOW
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>>153486483
It has less to do with the army, and more to do with Pekoms and Tomago being terrified to break bad news to Mama over the phone, while Bobbin told her to her face without a second thought.
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>Bobbinfags BTFO
>all the retards saying they'll run away before the wedding BTFO
Good chapter
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>>153483800

> a one piece thread that isn't filled with SanjixNami shitposting

I forgot what it felt like to read one of those
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>>153486590
>luffy's mouth and teeth perspective

What the hell
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>>153486695
Now you've done it.
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Why does Sanji even want to save his shitty family?
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>>153486669
Because Pekoms and Tamago were the ones that failed, not Bobbin. Similarly, Opera was afraid to say luffy escaped because he was he Person at fault. All Bobbin did was relay a message.
The only time someone died who wasn't at fault was various food homies she ate, and Mouscato, but that was during one of Big Mom's blind food rages.
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>>153486787
His sister and the chance that they wont kill Zeff.
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>>153486787
Because he's the kindest person in the world or whatever Reiju said.
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>>153483800
>Jinbe saved Pekoms lol
>Bobbin is dead xd
>I WADDA COOK

Literally a meme chapter
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>>153486787
His sister is cool.
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>>153486787

because he really just wants to save Reiju.
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What do you think she's thinking
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>>153486787
It's his sister and if I was Sanji I'd want to royally fuck up Big Mom and her crew too. Fuck them.
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>>153486787
Speedreader, his sister literally told us why
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>>153486868

You SaNa shippers are cancer. It will never happen.

Sanji will end up marrying Pudding. She was faking the whole thing, and it will be revealed in a few weeks.
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>>153486669
That's because Pekoms and Tamago were responsible for getting enough candy from FI. So they would be the ones who'd face the heat, not Bobbin.
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>>153486921
That would be too many uncalled for twists. Oda doesn't do boring shit like that
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>>153486787
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So why didn't Sanji tell Luffy all this before instead of beating the shit out of him? Nice forced drama.

>TELL ME YOUR TRUE FEELINGS!!!~
really Oda
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>>153487019

Do you fuckers read anything.

He beat Luffy up when he thought everyone had a chance to get out unscathed if he plays along.
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>>153486990
>literally Saul and Robin

Now the "I WANNDA LIVE!!!" shit is being recycled too, great.
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>>153487019
Re-read the arc until you understand
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>>153487071
Anon stop replying to bait. The only reason he posted that was because he couldn't post "So nothing happens????"
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>>153487123
But nothing happened in this chapter either.
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>>153486868
>"where is it?"
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Why are they so perfect lads?
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>>153485490
it could be escaped prisoners from book prison
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>>153487071
This is dumb in it's own way, Sanji should at this point know that Luffy isn't one to settle for compromise
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I took like a year off from reading One Piece and just binged read back to current (30 chapters... gotta love them breaks!) It's great to be back!
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>>153487435
So how do you reckon this arc is holding up?
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>>153483800
So it's guaranteed Luffy will fight Big Mom.
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>>153487793
Yes. Wholecake = Arlong Park
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>>153486868
she's thinking about Zoro's dick
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>>153487506
The arc so far is fun. There seems to be a lot more text and less characters compared to Dressrosa, and I'm not sure if it's all going to tie together as well in the end. It feels a little darker in this arc to me. Maybe it's because there's a juxtaposition of all these Alice in Wonderland tidbits with shit like food with personalities being eaten, that woman being wrung dry for juice, and other stuff.
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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGGA ZORO?
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>>153487793

>Luffy
>fighting Big Mom this arc

Not happening.
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>>153488058
Does Zoro even have a dick/balls? Dude has zero libido.
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>>153483881
jack is not a jobber

rogersbase and tyrone confirmed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx42p0cOxyA
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>>153488369
Sure he does. Zoro is pretty much a Buddhist (the laziest Buddhist) so he pretty much casts aside all sexual desires
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>>153488539
A Buddhist eunuch, maybe?
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>>153488297
Yea you are a retard. He won't run away. For fucks sake he couldn't take Nami away from Arlong without KOing him for similar reasons.
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>>153488278
in your heart
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>>153488297
Why? Because Bug Mom is too strong? That's how you know he will. Faggot.
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>>153488539
You know if his chilhood friend was alive she would be pregnant with their fifth kid already.
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Anyone else follow along watching One piece with Uzumaki Khan?
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>>153488614
I know Zoro's sense of direction is terrible, but this is just ridiculous. How did he wander on Sniper Island?
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>>153484135
>More a result of Sengoku respecting Shanks
>Just because he can't die doesn't mean he can''t lose
>Her power all but shit against top tiers who don't know the meaning of fear.
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>>153484107

>Tfw when you see Bobbinfags right now

ZEHAHAHAHAHA
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>>153487076
Yeah, because 'finding friends' totally isn't a main theme all along the series
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>>153484810
I forgot ho shitty this look in the anime. Fucking Toeï.
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>>153486593
>>153485445
you fujoshits now
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man

i really hope wano is the masterpiece everyone is expecting it to be, it's oda's last chance to try and regain old OP's greatness

otherwise all that will be left to get entertained by will be the main mysteries
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>>153485445
>remplacing cancer by another cancer
Can't you faggots simply enjoy the nakama bond?
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>>153488679
>>153488614
Calling it now that a whole arc will take place Sniper Island, because it is a real place or in you heart is a place in OP
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Hancock pretty much has a mythical zoan DF (Medusa)
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>>153483800
>Break next week.
Fuck this lazy cunt.
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>>153487793
They won't fight. He'll just eat her cake and place explosives into her precious treasure chest.
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>>153490666
>He'll just eat her cake and place explosives into her precious treasure chest
Satan has spoken.
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>>153485913

Franky it is for me. Fun reading.
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>>153483800
>Bobbin jobs twice in just 3 chapters
JUST
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BOBBIN JOBBIN'
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>>153483800
So Sanji wants to save all of his family not just Reiju?
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>>153491356
reiju is just the only one he considers family
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>>153485913
I'd like to guide Robin around in Dark Souls. I think she'd really enjoy that. Probably join the chaos covenant because the servant of the fair lady is adorable to her.
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>>153491356
I feel this is going to get used a lot in the coming weeks.
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>>153483800
>Baum (I don't know what this word means).
Baum is German for tree.
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Bobbin just can't stop Jobbin
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>>153486868
>I should have demanded more money from him for this.
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If gear 2 is kaioken, and gear 4 is super saiya-jin, then what is gear 3?
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>>153491625
Spirit Bomb.
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>>153485490
Why are guns suddenly so relevant?
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>>153491665
Foreshadowing Van Auger and Yasopp becoming a big deal.
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>>153491649
I guess before the timeskip, but he used it too frequently afterwards.
Which makes sense.

>>153491665
They were always relevant, it is just that the top tiers always had ways around guns. A gunshot can still kill a man in One Piece.
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>>153491665
Guns became useless after the first arc, so if a long running shonen can make them useful in late-game than I'm all for it. Here's hoping Oda makes SeaStone Bullets a real thing.
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>>153483800
Bobbiiiiiiiin!!!
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>>153484162
but cracker was in the same ballpark as doflamingo himself and there are two others of his rank so her top 3 is over 10 times stronger than doflamingo's top 3
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>>153483881
Did anyone actually have expectations for Bobbin, though?
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>>153491864
Yeah
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>>153483881
Smoker wasn't a jobber before the timeskip
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>>153491883
Yes he was, literally.
>introduced as someone who Luffy can't hurt
>gets blown away by Dragon to show what a badass HE is
That's what a jobber is.
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Fucking told you Bege was going to shot Bobbin. My man is fucking going to take down the evil bitch with help of her own family. (and the strawhats). Watch him meet Luffy and having Urouge and more with him.
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>>153491912
By that logic pretty much everyone is a jobber. Zoro is a jobber. Luffy is a jobber
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>>153491685
i want sogeking back ;_;
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>>153491912
the word jobber has lost all his meaning
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>>153491935
Sure, if you bend the definitions enough and go all linguistics, everyone can be everything and you end up calling everyone who ever lost a fight a jobber, as these obnoxious tards in these threads usually do.

Smoker however does fit the most simple and basic definition of a jobber rather well, and it's a shame because I otherwise like him.
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>>153491935
Smoker has never won a fight. He lost against Dragon, he lost against Crocodile. He lost against his superiors when trying to weasel out of a promotion. Zoro has gotten beaten sure, but he also gets back up. A jobber is someone who is hyped up to be really strong but can't stop getting his ass handed to him.
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>>153491912
Pre-TS he switched from threat to just a nuisance quickly.
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>>153491982
>Smoker has never won a fight
He beat Luffy twice and stalemated against Ace IIRC
>He lost against his superiors when trying to weasel out of a promotion
>this counts toward a loss record
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>>153491996
Well, he was introduced as a logia tutorial, so that Luffy, and the readers, would get some basic knowledge on the concept.

When actually strong logias were introduced, Smoker being a threat would have been weird.
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>>153492049
>When advanced Haki was introduced, Smoker being a threat would have been weird
Fixed

Smoker still managed to pin Luffy at Marineford and that had all the big shot Logias too (Admirals, Crocodile, Ace, etc)
In fact the first Logias introduced post-timeskip were kind of tame (Monet, Caesar, Caribou)
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>>153492103
>In fact the first Logias introduced post-timeskip were kind of tame (Monet, Caesar, Caribou)
Because all the powerful logias were already introduced at that point. Fire, ice, lightning, light, magma, sand - what else is there to go?

I tell you what. Spider logia.
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>>153492139
>spoiler
Doctor Smith from Lost in Space?
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>>153492168
Who is that? Could he turn into a bunch of spider that he all controlled individually?
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The worst generation is out for blood. Big Mom, Kaido and Shanks era is over.
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What if Pudding is the one who shot Bobbin?
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>>153492206
Pudding is not playing 4D chess you god damn monsters.
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>>153492139
I think "shadow" had potential but Moria had to be a retard, and anyway Blackbeard has Darkness

>what else is there to go?
Glass/crystal?
Blood? (if mud works, why not blood)
Napalm (or some explosive liquid)
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>>153492196
Good job figuring that out, anon.
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>>153492192
He was like a human-spider hybrid full of little spiders that ate him when he got injured. You haven't seen Lost in Space? It's fun but terrible.
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>>153492232
>that ate him when he got injured.
Uh, in what way was that useful?

Sounds like a great trash film.
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>>153492257
>in what way was that useful
It wasn't, he just turned into a hybrid because he was bitten by one and it worked like that because reasons.
Joey from Friends is the gun-toting badass hero
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>>153492228

There's still a lot of people who don't understand that there. A majority of them believe the Yonko saga is not about the yonko's fall. Some of them actually believed the worst generation is still some rookies called supernovaes.
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>>153492139
No, it's "Ant-logia". You know, Kaidou's devil fruit.
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>>153492221
pudding is real wife of capone
3rd commander is joining them as well
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>>153492287
Shame so many worst generation people amounted to absolutely nothing.
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>>153492303

There's still time for them. They have done a lot for sure, it's just that it has not been shown. They din't get the title of "worst generation"' for nothing.
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>>153492330
I think Blackbeard & Luffy are carrying that title.
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I shouldve cancelled this dumb manga when I had a chance.
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>>153492303
Like what so far? Luffy and Law are on the way to beat Kaidou's ass. Urouge killed one of Ur Mom's commanders. The Kid alliance was beat up by Kaidou, sure, but do you honestly think they will be out of the picture forever? Drake and Bege managed to join a yonkou, but both of them probably have bigger plans.
Bonnie is a bit non-existent so far, but she has a hax ability and even Akainu is interested in her, moreso than in just any regular pirate.

>>153492352
Do you think we saw everything they did in their journey? Paradise has 7 different routes.
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>>153492370
>The Kid alliance was beat up by Kaidou
Not an accomplishment.
>Drake and Bege managed to join a yonkou
Not an accomplishment.
>Bonnie is a bit non-existent so far
Not an accomplishment. That's 7/12 people who accomplished jack shit. More than half.
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>>153492397
All of them (except maybe Kid) are set up for accmplishment though.
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>>153492370
BB turned Yonko and Luffy is Luffy.
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>>153492407
I mean that we didn't see what the other supernovae did on their journeys.
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>>153492352

Luffy wasn't even active for two years. That's when they got the title. It has been stated, they changed the face of the NW during the timeskip But sure, Luffy and Blackbeard are the two most influent. Can't deny that.

I wonder if one of them has the emerald city as his dream.
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>>153492429
Hawkins, he's the scarecrow.
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>>153486990
>Dereshishishi
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>>153483800
>Break next week

I thought I'm used to it by now but it hurts everytime.
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>>153491924
>My man is fucking going to take down the evil bitch with help of her own family.
>Bege is called "Father" by his own crew
>He'll take down Big Mom
Big Dad Yonkou incoming?
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>>153485913
Zoro and Luffy, because I love fighters
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>>153492849
Oda is in love with Luffy/Roger parallels so no doubt four supernovas will become the next generation of Emperors.
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>>153483800
just makes me wonder if Oda simply does not really give a fuck about Sanji.
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>>153492945
>One big arc dedicated to Sanji
>Oda does't give a fuck about Sanji
What?
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>>153483800
Where is my Sanji Nami chapter Oda? I'm tired of waiting.
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>>153492964
This is pretty.
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>>153492849
>>153492905
>no doubt four supernovas will become the next generation of Emperors.
>Yonkou

The Yonko are a circumstancial issue due to the fact that the situation in the NW is so stale and leveled no one is able to find the One Piece, not a position to be filled.
If Luffy does find it and does something to change the world as it's implied, there'll be no new 'four emperors' or shit like that

I still can't believe people think of Yonko as some seats to be taken, New Yonko and shit when it's so obvious it doesn't work like that.
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>>153492964
>Where is my Sanji Nami chapter Oda? I'm tired of waiting.
NEVER EVER
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>>153492990
Worked like that for Teach.
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>>153492964
>waiting
Oh boy you better sit comfy and keep on browsing tumblr while you're at it
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>>153492959
>big arc
it's not. it's even ending soon. idk I'm just not feeling like Sanji got his due here.
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>>153493023
He had to kill the captain, steal his fucking fruit, then eradicate his entire crew and take over his territories before being made Yonkou.
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>>153493055
>eradicate his entire crew
But that hasn't happened.
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>>153493023
Yeah, cause he literally overtook WB territories and the stalemate situation won't be fixed until someone finds the OP
You have to be retarded to expect this to happen once Luffy finds it
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>>153493053

>it's not. it's even ending soon.

It's not ending soon. It's a 50 chapters long arc. Which is not little. It's the most focus a strawhats other than Luffy ever got in an arc. He will get his big figth and heroic moment at the end. That's more than enough.
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>There are people who sincerely believe this entire arc isn't just a set-up for Sanji to get his groove back

Oda listens. He has heard our plea. Sanji's back, baby.
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>>153485490
>Mfw when faggots who where thinking he his irrelevant and don't plot against BM get BTFO
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>>153493114
I hope he gets his shit together now and goes back to his Mr. Princey ways
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>>153493099
>It's the most focus a strawhats other than Luffy ever got in an arc
Robin had 100+ and I'm sure Vivi's Alabasta Arc was over a 100 as well. Sanji's arc is at 25 chapters rn, two short of Nami's Arlong Park arc.

and it looks like it'll be ending in 10 or 15 chapters. Sanji is back, the poneglyph copies have been secured, and all that's left to do is crash the wedding.
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>>153493092

Why not? How can you know there was no emperors in the NW 1000 years ago? Why would it change? We don't even know what will happen exactly once Luffy find the One Piece. The only thing that's 100% confirmed is the fall of the tenryubitos. And It has nothing to do with the marines and the pirates (almost). They are going to change the world but don't know exactly how.
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>>153493166
... You mean when he was getting the shit kicked out of him by his siblings?
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>>153493169
>and it looks like it'll be ending in 10 or 15 chapters

We were halfway through a few chapters ago. It's not ending in 10 chapters, you just take your headcanon for granted.
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>>153493191
>Why not? How can you know there was no emperors in the NW 1000 years ago?

Because the Yonko would have been presented as an historical problem in the NW, and not a concept derived from the search for the One Piece after Rogers execution.
It's a nickname given to the current 4 crews that dominate the New World, not some fucking chairs.

> We don't even know what will happen exactly once Luffy find the One Piece
Yeah, that the search for it will be over.
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>>153493386

> Because the Yonko would have been presented as an historical problem in the NW, and not a concept derived from the search for the One Piece after Rogers execution.

Which din't happen. That's your own headcanon. Who said it's a reality created by the search of the One Piece?
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>>153483800
>all that back and forth in the last chapters, will he will ne not
>barely any substance
>we finally get to some actual nice stuff next chapter
>BREAK NEXT WEEK
I know we need to keep Oda alive and stuff but this pains me in the fucking heart
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>>153488626
It's an abhorrent match up and has no real reason to occur since it's not Luffy's goal. Kaido will take Luffy and many other powerful allies to take down; if Big Mom loses to Luffy with the "lesser" half of his crew, the Yonkou will lose reputation and hype.
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>>153493595

>since it's not Luffy's goal

See how they destroyed the factory and left Dressrosa? You are fucking naive. And shut the fuck up with the "lesser" half his crew. There's way more than the strawhats going on in this arc. Just read it for fuck sake. It's not Luffy vs Big Mom it's more than that.
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>>153492964
Soon
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>>153493639
Why do you honestly want Big Mom vs Luffy? They're powers would not work against each other well at all. it would be shit.
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>>153493691

What the hell. I'm telling you it's not Luffy vs Big Mom. It's not going to be a regular 1v1 but they will fight. And how is her fighting style an issue? She's a brawler with 3 minions.
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>>153493114
He's still a pussy crying bitch tears in this chapter.
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>>153483881
Jack was the most hilarious shit that ever appeared in this manga, especially because of all the people that were in denial about his jobber status.
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>>153493747
You calling someone a pussy.
Kek
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>>153493725
Whether it's a 1v1 or not, why do you want them to fight? What will it achieve?

>She's a brawler with 3 minions.
She's really not. She has a hax ability that is a 1 shot KO and uses elemental powers. She has a physically strong body, but that is not synonymous with being a "brawler".
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>>153493639
>It's not Luffy vs Big Mom it's more than that.

If it were he might've stood a chance. Against her whole crew he's going to need layers and layers of plot armor just to survive.
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>>153483800
>MFW Break next week
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>>153493865
Because it's shit.
Reused from other acts. You can't defend this
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>>153493691
Guess some people just wanted to see how well a full power gear 4th luffy will fare against a yonko.
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>>153493865
Really? Over what?
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>>153493881
At least I don't take the series seriously and get too upset about it. I just sit back and enjoyed the series like what a causal reader do.
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>>153493793

> What will it achieve?

Fulfil his promise like a men, saves Reiju, claims Jinbei, claims FI, save the citizens, saves Pound, saves the Baratie, avenge Sanji, send a message to the world. Also, there's not going to be another Big Mom arc.

The homies aren't her main ability.
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>>153493831

Good thing there's conspiracy from her crew.
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>>153493882
And they'll sure as hell see it agains the perfect brawler match up that is Kaido.

>>153493940
If you honestly think that will happen in less than 18 or so chapters along with the wedding and all events to go down, you're going to be disappointed anon. Luffy's building his way up to Kaido. At the moment he can't even beat an admiral. There are no where near enough positive forces on Luffy's side to take down a Yonko on their territory even if Luffy were to get a shit ton of help. Oda's made Luffy's intentions clear this arc. He's going to keep fucking up her shit, but that doesn't equate to fighting her.
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>>153493940
>gets Jinbei killed

FTFY
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>>153494033
Why don't you take a break from being a faggot?
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>>153493940
>saves Reiju
>saves the Baratie
I'm kinda expecting a cover story down the line where some Big Mom goons that still hold a grudge try to attack Baratie and Reiju with her New-Germa 66 come in and save the day desu.
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Where is the chapter
WHERE IS IT

PUT THE CHAPTER IN THE BAG, NIGGASTREAM
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>yonkoprod nowhere to been seen or heard

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
GIVE ME MY CHAPTER
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>>153494250
>>153494295
It's tomorrow you fucking retard
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>>153483800
Will Big Mom has a "super mode" like Enel and Moria? She already has 3 portion of her soul outside her, maybe she could absorb them if the situation is dangerous and got boosted power?
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>>153494315
no?
last 2 chapters were on a wednesday
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>>153493595
>if Big Mom loses to Luffy with the "lesser" half of his crew, the Yonkou will lose reputation and hype.

You're right with this but it feels like Luffy is nowhere near ready to fight a Yonkou then. Why does it feel like that?
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>Beige already knows Pandora's Box is rigged
>knows Pekoms is loyal to Big Mam and being friends with Luffy might know about the bomb
>wants Luffy to fuck up the wedding
>wants Mam to eat the fucking bomb
>use the ensuing chaos to take control of the family
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>>153494547
Taking down Kaido will require the largest team effort we've seen so far, so it will undoubtedly be a justified eventual take-down. If Big Mom were to go down this arc it wouldn't be satisfying a Yonko's hype/place.
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>>153494547

>Why does it feel like that?

Because the Yonkos aren't going to fall in 1v1 and he will get on their lvl after their demise? And he's really close you guys just don't understand how powerfull G4 really is for some reason.
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>>153483800
>bobbin falls over
dropped
>break next week
picked up and then dropped again

fuck this shit
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>>153494581

There's another thing important about Bege. The Charlotte family members are supposed to take the name "Charlotte". Look at the name of his son.
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>>153493792
Got a problem with that?
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>>153494676
Yes, you mouth-breathing neckbeard
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Fuck, gonna have to prepare my epic manly tears for this chapter
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>>153494581
Bege doesn't seem like a cool enough or strong enough character to succeed, and I prefer the idea of Big Mam and Luffy becoming friends/allies/loose mutual respect.
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>no chapters for literally a year
Good job Oda
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>>153494590

He's teaming up with Wano's samourai (part of them at least) and his crew is probably not going to betray him. Also, we don't even know exactly who will be there for the wedding and who's going to fight her. There's also some wilds cards like Caesar, the dads, the library.

If it end up being the whole island cast present against Big Mom. Will it really be unsatisfying?
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>>153494691
Have fun seeing your bitchboy cry his eyes out for the next 10 chapters while literally nothing happens.
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>>153483800
>>153483881
>bobbin
>jobbing like jack

BOBBIN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FIRST MATE
THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

I'M IN CHARGE HERE
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>>153494547
>Why does it feel like that?
Not him but I've been very disappointed with how Big Mom's home territory has been shaping out. It seems like her forces are grossly incompetent at large, and the one heavy hitter I expected to stay imposing lost because nami rained on his parade. For someone who has a vast information network she doesn't have much in terms of reliable surveillance networks in her own front yard. I can excuse her subordinates not reporting failures to her because of her personality. I can't reconcile why several chapters ago we saw the vinsmokes surrounded by Homies while Sanji only gets guards outside of his room instead of Homie paintings/doors. You an say this is because she's cocky but after some other "literally who" of the Worst Generation killed one of her taste ministers why is she so lax with her security?

Not to mention that a severely weakened Luffy can just run around fucking stuff up anyways with seemingly no real opposition. That's not new, but it's annoying this time around. I had expected BM's home turf to be the arc where the lethality of the new world really sank in. The Yonko are still pretty big deals even if their generation is on the way out. But so far none of the arcs in this new region have really had stakes quite as high as arcs like Skypea, Impel Down, or CP9.
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>>153494778
>If it end up being the whole island cast present against Big Mom. Will it really be unsatisfying?
Yes, because most of the inhabitants of the island are sided with her.
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>>153494750

She's happily singing about genocide and cannibalism. Even Pudding is digusted by how evil and insane her mom is. This theory is dead since the beginning of WCI.
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>>153494821

>Yes, because most of the inhabitants of the island are sided with her.

Pay more attention when you are reading. Not only there's a conspirary against her, she's also attacking whoever in his front of her when she's angry.

Pretty sure it will go like that. Everyone will have to take on her because she's gonna enter a rage never seen before.
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>>153494750
>luffy eats her candy
>luffy fucks up her commander
>luffy fucks up her army
>luffy threatens her twice
>luffy sends her a bomb that will blow up in her face
>somehow thinks they will become allies

LMAO
>>
Hey man, Oda doesn't take nearly as many breaks as Togashi at least.
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I WADDA COOK! -the chapter

bravo Oda
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>>153494804

>this is because she's cocky but after some other "literally who" of the Worst Generation killed one of her taste ministers why is she so lax with her security?

My headcanon: Snack has been killed by Big Mom because of his defeat. She's a bitter old woman and it's getting worse and worse. Her whole crew being afraid of her to this extent is something new and she don't understand.
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>>153483800
Why doesn't Oda let Bobbin shine?
Fucking hell.
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>>153494987
God Oda is such a master level at storytelling.

Oda? More like GODA right?
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>>153494790
>BOBBIN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FIRST MATE

only headcanon
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>>153495005
You can polish a turd but it's will still be a turd.
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>>153484372

Of course.
A Yonkou is basically just a pirate with a shit ton amount of power and territories they can hold.

He already told Big Mom he's going to take it from her and he's already building a large amount of power.

Since he's the MC he's going to survive and he's going to reach that point of power.
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one of the most awful arcs

Why did Oda play Robin 2.0 on Sanji?
The whole Germa, marriage, etc thing could be fucking awesome, I was fucking hyped when Sanji left Zou, promised he will handle the situation, Germa was portrayed as a big force/threat
and now all this shit happened.

At least Brook was awesome. And I can give points to Pedro and the fight with Cracker.
Aside these the full arc was fucked up.

Oda a hack!
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Who are the boys Bobbin is talking about?

They can't be Sanji and Luffy because the entire situation between them happened later.
Luffy didn't even ate the food when Bobbin already spoke about the damn guys.
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>>153495118
>Why did Oda play Robin 2.0 on Sanji?

It has nothing to do with that. Stop believing into meme retard.
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>>153494636

Cry me a river
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>>153495148

The Firetank pirates of course.
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>>153494737
what the fuck is this shit?
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Why fucking Neptune and the Minister didn't let Jinbe know about the bomb?
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>>153495171
It's Gol D Chickenshit Jobber, the pirate that had to STEAL a poneglyph from Big Mom because he was TOO WEAK to take it from her by force and had to RUN AWAY with it
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>>153495219

le ebin mene
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>Dragon trains child soldiers

Okay, is this canon?
Because that's pretty fucked up.
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>>153495154
>It has nothing to do with that.

went away for save his friends, acts like he doesn't like them, and ask them to live, lost all his hope, but then a light of hope, cries and asks Luffy's permission to go out sailing on Sunny-Go again

yeah, it's a complately different story, m8
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>>153495232
>I don't like it so it's a meme

Rogerfags ladies and gentlemen
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>>153495219
Luffy is a chickenshit jobber too
got one of the RP's asa gift froma bunch of furries
then got one thanks to Brook who silently stole them

you can say at least he confronted Mama, but in the end they ran away from the real fight
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>>153495239
He's fighting a revolution here.
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>>153495239

Hell the Marines did it.
Garp was trying to do it.
Everyone on Zou is basically a soldier.

Stop thinking too hard faggot it's a kids show.
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Dragon felt guilt because he left Luffy alone, and when he found Sabo, he became his father.
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I'm fine with a break, I feel like last chapter would have been a break under normal circumstances but Oda squeezed out one more.
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>>153495316
Fuck you. Oda cocksucker
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>>153495316
>but Oda squeezed out one more

Couldn't deny it, because the last one is one of the shittiest ever.
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>>153495240

Well... It started because you guys don't know the meaning of the word "stealing". Sorry to not take your meme seriously.
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>>153495278
see
>>153495232
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But the real question is did Luffy's tooth grow back?
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8 chapters in now, super comfy series so far. i can see why it's lasted so long and is so well loved
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>>153494055
BM will be salty as fuck the next time she sees him.
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>>153483800
BOBBIN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>153485913
If it's for fun, then probably Chopper or Luffy.

If we're being serious, Nami, because who wouldn't pay to fuck Nami while playing an eroge?
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>>153495419

God I'm so jelly

Wish I could forget One Piece to read it again for the first time
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Is he /ourguy/?
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>>153483800
>Break next week

this seals it. legit spoiler.
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Remember when Capone Bege and his crew got sucked up into the sky by some weird black thing in the sky?

And then nobody talked about it?

And now there's some 'conspiracy' going on that is involving him?

Anyone else think they might be related? There's still a whole bunch of people who were watching that broadcast Caesar made that we still don't know the names of.
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>>153495148
Bege of course.
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>>153491864

Mine were sky high


Jack is still going to be one of tbe strongest to be fought in the future
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>>153493595
Luffy directly stated it was his goal to BTFO Big Mom. He told her he would over Den Den Mushi and sent her a bomb you speedreader.
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>Pekoms is ok

This is all I care about the rest was obvious. so was pekoms but confirming it is fun. Now we just have to wait and see ceasers fucked up escape
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>>153483800
>Break next week.
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>>153495750
>Jack is still going to be one of tbe strongest to be fought in the future

We were just out of our mind when we tought he could take the whole mink tribe by himself and win or take on Zunisha. That would make him Yonko tier or above.
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>>153495847
PO
PO
PO
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>>153495847
working at ebgames
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>>153495559

I hope so. He's not playing around ! You are on his way, you get shot and he moves on. Based.
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Why is Cho so based? This song was written ages ago, Cho is just that fucking awesome. I'm glad Oda can draw inspiration from his voice actors as well. Seems like Yamaguchi, Yao, and Cho all have a big impact on him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9eucF9DhZE
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>>153496218
Also does the scene of Brook playing this song in the anime imply that he can sing his own backup vocals with his soul? Because thats what it sounds like.
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>>153495918
kek
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>>153495750
>>153495909
>this is what Jackfags actually believe

Jack the Jobber will appear only to job again
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>>153495559
No. He shot Pekomuzu, that shit is unforgivable. His little plot might help Luffy with party crashing though.
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>>153496627

Bege did nothing wrong. Pekoms is a retard. He was going to get them kill for nothing.
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>>153495918
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>>153496684
Bege is a jobber and a rat who shots his nakama in the back. He shitted himself when Nekomamushi appeared, he will shit himself once again when it will come to facing Big Mom, i'm sure.
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>>153496627
>Tfw you learn he was perfectly aware of Pekoms DF
>He was also aware he his under the eyes of BM spy most of the time
>Jimbe his a part of this plan
>All of this is just a scene to make Big Mom believe he his loyal.

The Padre has no chill.
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>>153496791
>Bege is a jobber

But he won every single fight he has been in.
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>>153496947
>chose to be subordinate

Automatic pussy
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>>153496791
Capone manhandled Sanji + allies easier than Doflamingo.
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>>153496989
It's true he's got a different personality than the MC, but he's formidable regardless.
He could easily be the reason Big Mom can be defeated, or he could be the main enemy.
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>>153496989

Who's not a pussy in the worst generation then? Kidd for sure, probably Urouge and Hawkins and maybe Bonney. The others have been subordinate of either a Yonkos or the Marines. Luffy did even worse, he trained for two years because he was too afraid to enter.
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>>153497150
If Big Mom soul swipes Capone would it divide among his fortress inhabitants, giving him near immunity?
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>>153497157
Offical List Worst Generation Pussiness:

Luffy - Not a pussy. Leader and recklessly fearless

Law - Not a pussy. Former Shichibukai, Leader, and knows where to place his bets

Kidd - Major pussy. BTFO by Kaido

Apoo - Subordinate pussy, but not too bad because hes doing his job

Hawkins - Pussy status unclear. Assumed BTFO by Kaido

Zoro - Not a pussy. Its his place to be Luffy's right hand, and hes fearless in the face of death if its to protect his friends

Bege - Major, subordinate pussy. Joined Big Mom for status. Backstabber, piss ugly wife and child

Drake - Subordinate, but not a pussy. Clearly takes no shit and can handle himself. Seems like his intent goes beyond subordination to Kaido

Killer - BTFO, but not a pussy. Just doing his job.

Bonney - Not a pussy. Survived the Blackbeard Pirates and Akainu, somehow.

Urogue - Not a pussy. BTFO Big Mom commander and knows when to sit back and recover when needed. Didnt seem to bat an eye at Kaido, despite their power gap

Teach - Total pussy, but thats part of his character. Still obscenely powerful.
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Here's why I think Luffy>Cracker and that Cracker got plot protection in their fight.

The Yonko are in a stalemate and neither of them makes a move against the other. This means that their forces are roughly equal in strength and that the Emperors themselves are in a tier, the first commanders in a tier and so on.

Now, during a full on war, Doffy intercepted Jozu and had a nice chat with Croc with Jozu being absolutely helpless. This shows us that Doffy is much stronger than the average Third Commander and Cracker falls in the same tier. Luffy absolutely toyed with Doffy after unleashing G4 and logically he shouldn't have had a problem with Cracker. The fact that he did shows us how Cracker was the one who actually received plot protection in terms of Luffy trying to eat his biscuits or whatever when in reality, his KKG should've obliterated that entire area and destroyed Cracker with absolute ease.

This is why Luffy>Cracker and he has a good shot at beating BM since Sanji, Jinbei, Vinsmoke family, Capone will handle the bigwigs and the underlings will handle the rest of the underlings.
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>>153497442

> Law - Not a pussy. Former Shichibukai, Leader, and knows where to place his bets

Fucking hell. Law was the dog of the Marines, then joined Doflamingo, only to try to backstab him and he got humiliated. Luffy had to avenge Corazon for him and now he's literally taking order from Luffy. He's biggest pussy ever.

What a shit list overall. You sure it's not the "Official List Worst Generation : people i get fucked by?"
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>>153497194
She need to make him affraid first to soul swipe him anyway.
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>>153497442
>Kidd - Major pussy.
Do you even know the meaning of the word pussy? Kidd refused to back off even against insurmountable odds and fought Kaido unlike Apoo.
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>>153497582
>Doffy intercepted Jozu and had a nice chat with Croc with Jozu being absolutely helpless. This shows us that Doffy is much stronger than the average Third Commande

Wrong. It doesn't mean shit. Doflamingo would never be able to damage Jozu and he would eventually get out of his grip.
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>>153497596
>survived all that bullshit scott free, reunited with his crew, and is moving forward with a plan to take down Kaido

Wouldn't say Law's a pussy.

>>153497628
This looks like a pussy to me.
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anyone else think jinbei lost a huge chunk of his lifespan
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>>153497661
These are all pussies then
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You don't know the meaning of the word pussy. And Kidd will get his revenge for sure, he's not going to rot in his cell.
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>>153497631
>Doflamingo would never be able to damage Jozu and he would eventually get out of his grip.
All we know is that Doffy made Jozu freeze in his spot and despite the dire situation Jozu was unable to break free. So based on feats, Doffy is a lot stronger.
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>>153495847
super deep throat
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>>153497722
Two of those gentlemen are as free as a bird.
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>>153497751

>pussy. And Kidd will get his revenge for sure, he's not going to rot in his cell.

No. Based on this particuliar scene, we know Doflaming is able to immobilize Jozy for 5sec. No more.

We know that Jozu can take Mihawk's slash like it's nothing. So we can be sure Doflamingo (who's unable to scratch G4) will never defeat Jozu.
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>>153485913
Does Usopp's uncle work for Nintendo?
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I know you find the bottom one to be sexier.
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>>153497895
Oh yeah, and he confirmed that One Piece games will be coming onto the Switch along with all the future AAAs, along with confirming that the great Sogeking will be in Smash 5.

>tfw now I want to play a Pokemon game set in the Grand Line
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>>153497942
I sure do.
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>>153497847
>Doflaming is able to immobilize Jozy for 5sec
Luffy broke out of parasite like it was nothing. Jozu couldn't. That shows us how big of a strength difference there is between Luffy and subsequently Doffy and Jozu/Cracker/Any Third Commander in a Yonko crew.
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>>153497442
>Kidd - Major pussy. BTFO by Kaido

Getting your ass kicked by the strongest thing on the planet really shouldn't count towards being a pussy.

Unlike Apoo he didn't submit and kiss ass.
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>>153497942
>>153497991
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>>153497973
best anime fighters are on nintendo console always (or at least best naruto/bleach games were the best on gamecube/wii) , dont remember any good fighting one piece game
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>>153497442
>Kidd - Major pussy.
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Would you?
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>>153497442
>Zolo
>that low

>Teach
>that fucking low

speedreader confirmed. it goes like:

1. Luffy - i don't need to explain this one

2. Teach - all you people have against him is that he was afraid of death and the whole deal with Whitebeard. Other than that he took on several strong people and went into fucking Impel Down to recruit. just because he is less recless than Luffy it doesn't mean he is a pussy. Also he took on fucking Shanks without any devil fruit.

3. Zoro - the close equal of Luffy, pretty much as badass as him even though he is a subordinate.

4. Urogue - not many great feats other than that sweet commander, but he is a manly man like the people above him and does shit without being somoeone's bitch.

5. Law - was a WG lapdog but doesn't take shit from anybody and kinda strong. Still Luffy is obviously the bigger dog in their alliance.

6. Kidd - yeah he is in a pretty shitty position right now, but thats implies he was actually fighting and refused to be a subordinate.

7. Bonney - while she is literally a pussy, she managed to survive without being a sellout.

8. Bege - a yoncuck, even though he plans something against Mom.

9. Apoo - hahahahaha

Not sure about Drake, Hawkins and Killer.
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>>153498122

Law doesn't take shit from anybody? Bitch please, HE GOT SHIT on by Doflamingo and Luffy had to avenge his ADOPTIVE DAD for him. He need to be last on the last. Luffy is more of a pussy than most of them. He went hiding for two years. They all based anyway. And don't shit on Bege and Drake. The did what they had to do to survive in the NW.
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>>153498385

Also. Blackbeard did exactly the same as Bege and Drake.
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So, who's behind the 'conspiracy' and what is their endgame?
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>>153483800
> nothing happens
> break next week
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>>153498448

Bege and probably some member of the Charlotte family. Big Mom's head is their endgame.
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>>153498448
Bege, his wife, probably some of the dads. Jimbe probably aware of something, like Bege telling him that "Pekoms gonna fall into the watter at that position in 2 hours, just saying".

Some will just jump on the occasion, like the wife of Aladine ( that lucky bastard).
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>>153498385
you may have a point about Law but

>Luffy is more of a pussy than most of them. He went hiding for two years
Really? All before the timeskip he smacked around like 3 warlords, raided every important government building and attacked a celestial dragon. Also he literally fears no man.
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>>153498122
I'm pretty sure that list has no particular order, but it's still a shitty list
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>>153498628

I'm not saying he's a pussy. He's obviously a fearless man. None of them are pussies to be honest. He still went hiding for two years which people like Kidd din't.
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No chapter till March 2017 of are lord and saver Jesus Christ
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Does the chapter usually come out tonight or tomorrow ?

>>153498448
Capone, and 100% certain pudding actually sided with him and Lola, which is why Nitro has a fedora and smokes cigars now. Lola is probably also aware of bege's plans, since he "assassinated" pekoms in front of her. Knowing pudding's relashionship with Lola, it's probably her that asked pudding to join.
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>>153499011

Bege is married with Chiffon, not Lola.
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>>153498098
I don't wanna turn into a stone statue.
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>>153498122
It wasnt in any order you retard
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>>153499273
calling Teach a total pussy is still retarded.
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>>153499372

Calling Kid a pussy but not Law or Bege but not Drake is even worse.
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>>153499157
But she turns into stone all of your body but your cock. Then she teases it for a long time.
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>>153499415
indeed
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Year of Jinbe's death
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>>153483800
NOTHING HAPPENS. AGAIN. AGAIIIIN.

ODA YOU BIIITCH YOU STUPID FUCKING BITCH, WHY AGAIN? THAT'S IT.

I'm dropping this piece of shit manga. Nothing has happened for 4 spoiler weeks already, at this point it's not even worth reading these chapters to pass the time. Maybe in a year or two they'll have done something.
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>>153499811
You forgot the angry doge pic this time anon.
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>>153483800
>bobbin was fodder after all

Being a bobbinfag is absolute suffering. Why even introduce that low-ass bounty if you don't expect to subvert the 'bounty = powerlevel' trope?
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>>153499811
See you next week
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>>153499900
but next week is hiatus
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>>153483800
>The bento had been dropped
>He can't run away and leave them to that fate.
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>>153485913
I want Robin to use her unlimited hands to restrain me while she steps on my penis.
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>>153499934
Hackposters are never on hiatus.
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>>153499811
>piece of shit
(you)
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>>153497722
>Law: loses to a Shichi
>Kid: loses to a Yonko
>Luffy: loses to his stomach
Luffy's stomach > Kaido. Luffy will eat Kaido.
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>>153494804
I don't see why some people are disappointed with Big Mom's subordinates. They seem as good if not better than Whitebeard's (who is the only crew we can really reference in terms of strength). Cracker was definitely as strong as if not stronger than the elite of WB's crew and the crew we've seen below the Sweet Commanders seems to be a mix of lower division commander strength and NW WB ally captain strength.

Hell, Whitebeard kept Ace on the ship without any sort of bindings when he was blatantly hostile. This seems entirely in line with how Yonkou's have been presented. I agree with you that they have the ability to monitor things better, I just feel your idea of how a Yonkou should act is different from we've seen so far. Her crew seems worthy of being called a Yonkou crew to me.
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>>153500026
*the Kaido

he will eat the Kaido
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>>153499894
>MSN

fukken keked
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>>153500187
>trying to bring logic and reason into an one piece thread

You're fighting an uphill battle buddy. Just remember to stop once arguing with literal children and retards isn't fun anymore.
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The best thing about the last couple of chapters is Bobbinfags getting more and more BTFO every time
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>>153485913
I want to have an MMO party with the adult trio and Usopp. shit would be hilarious.
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>>153500187
Not only these.
WB's own name was enough even for Marines to not harm any of his subordinate.
Except of course for Marineford, but it was a risk decision from the Marine, and their strongest force should gather together to be on pair with only one of the Yonko an his allies.
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>>153500348
Bobbinfags don't exist.
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>>153499894
the arc didn't ended yet, just be patient
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>>153500438
Unfortunately they do
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>>153500438
>>153500529
still better than Ichijifags
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>>153483800
>Luffy: "TELL ME YOUR TRUE FEELINGS!!!"
>
>A crying Sanji: "I want to... return to the Sunny-Go!!!"

sobbing Zoro when
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>>153492139
Wind.
That's Dragon's fruit.
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>>153500607
Never. He isn't a cuck like Sanji.
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>>153500607
>sobbing Zoro when
At Wanokuni, when he finds out he is the son of the deposed Shogun
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>>153499372
Half of Teach's character is cowardice. I didn't say he was weak.
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>>153500607
in Wano
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>>153500529
Bobbinfag here. We exist and we're BTFO. What did we ever ask? A wacky character who's much stronger than he looks. It's not fair that the vinsmokes get all the glory and look cool while at it.
Bobbin was being set up for something. Maybe not a commander, but definitely in the upper tier of her crew. Oda didn't even passively ignore him or left him out of the spotlight like he did with many other in BM's crew, no.
He BTFO's him more and more with each passing chapter. What are we even supposed to feel?
>Oh he has a bounty of 100m, heads will roll.

End this painful life.
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>>153500187
>I just feel your idea of how a Yonkou should act is different from we've seen so far.
Not really. Kaidou sent one guy with a small army to secure a single individual. That guy was not only strong on his own right, but also rutheless in his job and willing to employ whatever means necessary to get the job done. WB in preperation for the Maniford bay attack brought all his assets to bear. Even Blackbeard made sure to quickly establish his territory when he made his bid for Yonkou. Only BM so far has been shown to have such lax planning on her part.

The problem I'm having is that once again we have a villain underestimating Luffy but this time they have technically been shown that they shouldn't underestimate the Worst Generation. Its not like she can't just brush off Urogue especially when she thinks he was killed. But now that we know she had Luffy Marked since he entered her territory I wonder why she didn't just send more people to capture him. Wanting to wait until after the celebration to kill her enemy is a villainous thing to do, but not taking steps to secure your targets after a major security breach is downright unbelievable.

>Her crew seems worthy of being called a Yonkou crew to me
I'm not sure anymore. With whitebeard and his division commanders it was pretty clear that the Marines needed to pull all of their assets to stop him. I can agree that BM by herself is probably formidable, and Cracker despite jobbing seems like he could be a great fighter. But everyone else? Baron Tomago got One shot 3 times in a row by a cat dying of old age. Morte is a support role and still untested. Opera couldn't tank a single punch (although his guard was arguably down). Brulee is a joke and easily sniped. Smoothie is unknown.

Who else on her crew really strikes you as someone on the same level as Marco, Diamond Jozu, Ace, etc?
At this point I think a well organized Marine task force could infiltrate and dismantle BM's territory.
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>>153494804
I think it's important to remember that you're talking about a BM crew that, frankly speaking, isn't taking the SH crew threat all that seriously. Like pretty much always, the Strawhats are benefitting from their opponent underestimating them.

BM has her plans for the wedding and the Germa and thus far has been treating Luffy and the gang as a minor annoyance that doesn't seriously have any chance of disturbing her plans. She doesn't know that Brooke has the Poneglyph rub or that everyone is wise to Pudding's act or that Pedro is still alive or anything. She thinks that she has issued a simple order to "Take care of them..." and that her subordinates have, in fact, effectively taken care of them.

That's very different than what we saw of the WB crew when they were in full mobilization mode.
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>>153500685
he was coward only against WB, but who wouldn't?
even Akinu shat into his pants
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>>153500691
what the fuck is this fucking hair style?
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Can someone post the picture of the future Luffy?
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>>153500766
The Please Do Not Fuck Me.
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>>153500766
It's the "just fuck my shit up" hairstyle, given to those who got their shit fucked up. Often abbreviated as JUST.
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>>153500696
Cannot belive Diesel and Randolph ended like useless faggots.

When they collected the ingredients to Mama, they looked like almost top dogs.
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>>153500809
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>>153500809
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>>153500915
YAMERO
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>>153500915
Bendegúz?
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>>153500809
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>>153500691
Stop falseflagging.
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>>153497973
You made me think of how cool it would be if Luffy was a guest character in that one Arms game.
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>>153501086
>couldn't get the footwear right

I'm guessing fungi toes
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>>153501152
Not any worse than the Naruto chick with fucking converse behind him.
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>>153501152
a true cosplayer would wound himself like Luffy got wounded by Akainu
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>>153491356
He's a kind man.
Plus it is the biggest shame for the egoist Vinsmoke if they are helped by someone on who they looked down.
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>>153500696
Remember that we haven't seen any of Big Moms major commanders in action besides Cracker. Brulee and Morte seem more on par with the type of fighters who made up Whitebeards various allies like Squardo. They're not the main firepower.

Big Mom also has a different approach than Whitebeard and Blackbeard. Their whole crew is built around political alliances, deception, illusions and family. They're like a high tier version of Moria's crew, using their abilities to deceive opponents and catch them off-guard.
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>>153502394
Nice to see every Yonko has different crew structure.

BB copied WB's division commander and fleet strategy.
Kaido has 3 disasters.
Big Mom has/had 4 Sweet Commanders but I think in a different structure than Kaidos calamities.

I wonder how Shanks' organisation is built up.
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>>153502502
I guarantee that Shanks and Luffy run shit the same. Shanks doesnt have a fleet, he has his ship and his friends.
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>>153502570
But Luffy already has his own fleet.
Plus Shanks ship is fucking big and theye are at least 100 men on that ship.
Luffy and his crew has less than 10 member.
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>>153502648
I meant that Shanks doesnt "command" a fleet. And one ship with 100 men is vastly different than the hordes that the rest of the Yonkou lead.
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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGGA MR 2?
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>>153483800

>Another chapter crying.

Y3AR 0F 3JI
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>>153502719
Getting head from Dellinger.
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>>153491935
Luffy and zoro actually win fights. Smoker is the literal definition of a jobber. Somebody who is fairly capable and 'strong' but literally always gets BTFO to show case the new strong people.
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>>153502739
that was last year
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>>153500607
>''I WADDA CUT''
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>>153499011
>Lola
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>>153501093
I'm not falseflagging, I'm just coping with our situation. What should I do, spam about how Bobbin will beat everyone up? It seems highly unlikely. Believe me, I really wanted to see him kick ass ever since his introduction, probably giving Zoro a challenge. But it's not happening. All that's left is the pain, talking about it at least eases it a bit.
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>>153502990
Wait, I thought King Baum was dead?
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>>153502990
fucking awesome, this guy was right!
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>>153503039

Only Ace and Monet die in One Piece
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>>153503067
What about Whitebeard?
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>>153503067
Never forget.
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>>153503097
his corpse was made into Weevil
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>>153503067

Vergo still around?
Maybe Kuma counts too. In a sense.
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>Break next week
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>>153503124
what a bunch of useless jobber faggots
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>>153503429
At least they served the purpose of showing Crocodile being smart enough not to fight people who are going to die anyway.
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>>153503124
did they die? i only remember everyone living through alabasta including fucking pell.
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Oda is a fucking hack

Smoker clearly stated in Crocodile's jail, he cannot pass through the cage because it is made of seastone and the same stuff are used in the prisons to keep DF user's inside.

Then fucking Buggy walked trough and escaped in Impel Down.
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>>153500696
As I said in the post you replied to
Sweet Commanders=Elites (Marco, Jozu, Ace)

High profile subordinates (Tamago, Pekoms, high bounties such as Opera)=Low level division commanders (Curiel, Raykou, Fossa, Namule)

Named subordiantes (Armanda, M'dour, Bobbin)= NW allied captain level (Mcguy, Doma)

It seems perfectly in line with the strength of WB's force. It's the same thing established for every crew with small elite force and a number of lower subordinates with notable traits. WB had 16 division commanders, three of which were given more attention than others, and an army of NW captains. BM has three sweet commanders after the fourth was beaten off screen (Thatch), a collection of somewhat elite warriors (comparable to the lower division commanders) and a number of named mooks that seem comparable to the NW captains shown in the war.

Your entire argument seems to stem from a lack of understanding of this formula. My argument for your points on Kaidou and WB is that, by understanding that Yonkou have what appears to be the exact same crew layout (three elites, handful of semi powerful men and a large number of named mooks) nothing about BM stands out compared to the other Yonkou
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>>153503484
They state that they weren't aware that Buggy was a fruit user. He was placed in a normal cell.
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>>153503484
Buggy was specifically stated to not have been fitted with sea-stone because they didn't know he had a Fruit.
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>>153503484
This.
Oda has been losing his grip steadily since pre-marineford. Really sad. We could have had such a good series.
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>>153494547
>Why does it feel like that?

Because the Yonkou are pirates who have been spent decades getting to where they are while Luffy has been doing it for little over a year?
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>>153503512
>>153503520
>Oda realises he fucked up when one of his assistants mentioned this plot hole
>"oh we'll just say he was placed in a normal cell"
>fanboys praising the hack years later
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>>153503484
Still don't know why couldn't smoker pass trough?
Seastone has effect only if you are contact with it. He could turn into smoke and go through between the bars.
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>>153503484
Oh look, hackfags proving once again they have the intelligence of a brick. More news at 11.
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>>153503568
Oh, it was bait.
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>>153503484
you again with this shit.
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>>153503568
THIS

It would be logical create every cell from seastone, then if the staff makes any mistake and didn't notice a DF user then there is no problem anyway.
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>>153503583
Probably wasn't that skilled with his fruit, gases naturally diffuse.
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>>153503607
Reminder, those waifus are mine.
I forbid you masturbate thinking of them.
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>>153503661
I already masturbated to them.
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>>153503661

>arlong's hot sister

Damn, can't believe I forgot about her.
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>>153503568
They learn Buggy's actually a devil fruit user and prepare seastone cuffs for him in the same fucking scene he's introduced in Impel Down.
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>>153503634
Seastone is supposedly a hard to find substance so that'd be a massive waste on the upper levels with the low bounties.

It's the same reason they don't casually use it for bullets.
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>>153503661
Then I call dibs on Sadi-chan.
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>>153503733
To be fair, you'd think they'll try to see if the prisoners faint upon contact with seastones. I doubt someone like Buggy has enough willpower to pretend to not be weakened by seastones when it touches him or when thrown into a seawater bath.
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>>153503784
>seastone is so rare
>except when an underground broker smuggles enough of it to build a giant factory
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>>153503867
plus a whole coliseum
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>>153503896
No.
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>>153503867
Al they should did going into that fucking factory instead of trying to pull the strings.
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>>153483800
>he wants to save those bastards that he doesn't think of as family.
Seriously now, why? I can understand Reiju, but why the rest of the assholes?

I know what she said about Sanji, but even she herself doesn't like her family.
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>>153504010
Biggest KO for Dadji and the brothers if the "failure" saves their lives.
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>>153504080
That kinda makes sense, I guess.
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>>153503866
I'd agree if Impel Down was competent, but their security was really cocky and shitty. Especially on levels 1 and 2. They only seemed concerned with doing their jobs right for the pirates with bounties of over 100 million.

These are the guys who noticed dozens of prisoners vanishing from thin air and decided to shrug it off because it's not their problem.
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>>153504150
And they had right. Even if they are out of cells, they cannot escape the whole prison.

Luffy and co situation was different and they still needed Jinbe's and Bentham's help to succeed.
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>>153504417
The other argument is that having so many access points between the floors, not keeping tabs on dangerous prisoners like Ivankov and the lax security of the prison under Magellan's leadership are the only reasons Luffy and Buggy were able to succeed in the first place.

The whole thing snowballed from a two person prison riot on level one, and it could have been prevented numerous times.
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>>153503506
>Your entire argument seems to stem from a lack of understanding of this formula.
My argument is that on every level of subordinate, nobody stands out. And I honestly doubt that Cracker stands up to any Division Commander given what we've been shown. And by and large BM underestimating Luffy is not a logical thing given recent history, I'm interested on your thoughts to her keeping such lax security (only one guard for VIP's and high profile prisoners alike. Not using Homies to keep tabs on the rest barring when her vivre card is in play). But another way to phrase what I'm trying to say is that I'm really more upset about was the presentation of these characters and the reasons for their defeat.

For example; Marco and Jozu were taken down or repelled by top marines and an uninjured Doflamingo. Snack was beaten offscreen by the Mad Monk and Cracker lost to Luffy through a combination of hard rain and authors fiat as to why Cracker couldn't track down an ever-fattening Luffy for 11 hours. The former allowed both Marco and Jozu to suffer setbacks without detracting from them. The latter makes me wonder why BM's sweet commanders are a big deal. It comes down to presentation, by and large BMs forces are getting chumped. Do you disagree?

Now Opera getting taken down by Jinbe makes sense already. Applying him to your structure and history we can estimate that Shishibukai > High profile Subordinates. Probably more closer to Elites but like any grouping there is a range.

Tamago vs Pedro? That fight was a joke. Both fighters are somewhat equal until Pedro ups the ante and then proceeds to bisect Tamago. Then do it two more times within single panels. All this while onlookers are saying "h-he'll be stronger the next time".

If we ignore cases like Brulee who doesn't appear by any stretch of the imagination to be a physical fighter you still have a swath of BM named subordinates that are losing to a severely starved and injured Luffy.
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>>153503717
>arlong's hot sister

Damn, can't believe I forgot she was Arlong's sister. Fishman Island sure was shitty. At least we got that chapter where each of the crew lands their final hit on the henchmen, that shit was awesome.
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>almost March 2017
>wedding still hasn't started
Fucking hell this is taking forever
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>>153503661
I'm fapping to them righ now, and you can't stop me! We're having an orgy in my head. Fuck you.
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>>153503459
Yes, they drank the hero's water and died while fighting Crocodile.
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>>153505423
no, just until summer

there are still the Reverie arc and then Wano in 2017

inb4 Oda trolled us and Wano in 2017 means they will arrive at Wano in the last chapter of this year
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>>153505752
>oda
>ever EVER adhering to the timeframes he gives

We'll have Big Mom and Reverie this year. I'll livestream myself getting hit in the balls 20 times in a row if we get to Wano this year, screencap it if you have to.
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>>153505752
wano is coming
Big Mom is the big question. What will happen to her since Big Mom won't let the strawhats off the hook.
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>>153505811
>Big Mom is the big question. What will happen to her since Big Mom won't let the strawhats off the hook.

Tatemabako'd
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>>153505801
screencapped
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>>153505811
She'll dies by the end of the arc, probably by Blackbeard to steal her DF and kidnap/recruit Pudding, or maybe by Shanks so Oda can tease us about him having an agenda beyond having parties and fucking Makino.

Either way it'll be made possible because the Strawhats and Bege's force rampaging and greatly weakening her defenses.
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>>153505885
How to screencap?
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>>153503661
>Bonney hates carrots
Bonney vs Carrot showdown coming up.
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>>153506108
Find a camera and take a picture of the computer screen
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>>153503661
I claim Robin, you may have the rest.
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>>153506472
Robin's already my wife, sorry bud.
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When are we getting another arc like Impel Down?
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>>153506584
well sorry my mon but your are cucked then.
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>>153503661
>>153503717
>>153504719

When will she grow legs and be able to walk on land?
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>>153504655
Because none of her actions put her below what we've seen from other Yonkou. You perceive them to be weaker, I do not. As for specific situations

>Jack attacked Sengoku and was defeated, failed to get back Caesar, and was thrown off by an elephant. Now Caesar is out of their hands. Just as much as you say BM is being lax, you can say Kaidou was lax because Jack failed completely
>Marco was disabled by a vice admiral and Jozu was frozen by Aokiji, who, while being an admiral, defeated Jozu without Jozu getting in more than a scratch. Again, you can argue these two, but I can argue that Cracker was powerful and defeated solely because of Nami being capable of wetting the soldiers (and it still went on for 11 hours)

You easily dismiss BM but I don't see the logic in it when you find excuses for Kaidou and Whitebeard. Why is it excusable that Marco, considered by the Gorosei in taking down Blackbeard, was caught and disabled by spider man? Why is it excusable that the mighty Jozu went down immediately to Aokiji? Are they not lax if they so easily let their guard down? Is Jack not lax in being so reckless?

I never argued your criticisms of BM's attitude. I made a point to acknowledge it several times. What I keep trying to reinforce is that the other Yonkou or no better.

All three have the same crew style (all with similar power levels), all are shown putting their guard down and paying the price. All were shown losing hard (WB died, Kaidou lost smiles, BM is having her territory trampled)

I don't see why your so apologetic to WB and Kaidou is my issue.

I will go through the rest of the post however

>Tamago
His ability is that he bisects himself to become stronger. I don't see what the issue with it is. Besides, I compared him to people like Izo and Atmos. You know who those people are right? I think you're being extreme if you think Tamago can't compare to the likes of Izo, Atmos, or any of the division commanders under Vista.
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>>153504655
>>153507014
continuing from the last post
>named subordinates
I compared them to NW captains. I think that's fair. I do not see a large portion of them comparing to a NW Luffy who is injured and starved. Clearly they vary in power with ones like Mcguy and the Decalvan brothers being more prominent, but in that same sense, I said that the named subordinates vary in power with more prominent seeming stronger

Think of it like Maynard compared to Momonga. Both vice admirals.
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>>153504655

Urouge and Luffy are already admiral lvl or near admiral lvl.
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>>153507239
good one
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>>153507434

It's true. That's what you guys don't understand. They are maybe not up there, but they are just slighty behind. Just accept this fact and the defeat of Cracker/Snack (who weren't the strongest SC) will feel naturel. That's how it is.
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>>153506842
she's 29 so in a year
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>>153483800
>dressrosa was alabasta
>zou was skypiea
>whole cake island is enies lobby

did oda die after marineford and his hack assistants took his place? Makes sense how he doesn't show his face, he's DEAD
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>>153507094
>Think of it like Maynard compared to Momonga. Both vice admirals.
Uhh excuse me? Maynard is an admiral
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>>153507619
>whole cake island is enies lobby
When will this meme end.
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>>153507683
Whenever you stop sucking Oda's cock.
So never
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>>153507509
I don't think you need to put Luffy on near admiral level to argue him beating Cracker. If you're comparing Marco, who was beaten because he got distracted and a vice admiral disabled him, I don't know why Cracker is considered far worse for having his ability countered by rain and losing to Gear 4th.

I don't think people need to argue that BM's crew is really strong, only that they are as strong if not comparable to the other Yonkou crews.

>Jack was considered strong and got taken care of by an elephant
>Marco and Jozu were considered strong and got distracted and taken care of
>Cracker was considered strong and got placed against a rain user and taken care of

I don't know why the last example is considered so immensely different that people feel so disillusioned by it. All three were shown to look incredibly powerful and than taken care of by means beyond "hurr I punch you hard"
>>153507674
>pic
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>>153507509
Right and usopp is shichibukai level
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>>153484103
>frogposting

>>>/reddit/
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>>153507717

You understand that you believe that mostly because of a years old theory made by a guy on Arlong Park(?) then hyped by youtubers? There's a plot point "slighty" similar, doesn't mean it's a rehash. Retard.
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>>153507683
yeah whole cake = thriller bark
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>>153507789
>slightly similar
Keep sucking.
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>>153504655
>And I honestly doubt that Cracker stands up to any Division Commander given what we've been shown.

I hope you're kidding. Are we talking about the same shitty Whitebeard Division Commander's like Marco and Vista who were completely incapable of impeding an already heavily injured Akainu's advances in his effort to kill Luffy?

Jack and Cracker already seem far more impressive. If someone like had Ace tried attacking the escort fleet for Doflamingo he would have been joining him in his jail cell, not grumbling to his subordinates. Cracker is actually able to injure Gear 4 Luffy unlike """"""admiral level"""""" Doflamingo and his fruit let him produce endless warriors of retarded durability that only didn't come into play because of a poor matchup thanks to Nami.
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new thread

>>153507811
>>153507811
>>153507811
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>>153507749

Why not? They are...

They have beaten two yonkos commanders who are supposed to be near admiral lvl (as we have seen in Marineford). Cracker showed he's stronger than Doflamingo and Jack showed he's able to do some crazy shit. They confirmed themselves to be near admiral lvl. Luffy and Urouge beat them, we can now assume they are also near admiral lvl. What's wrong?

You guys are afraid the manga will end?
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>>153507014
>you can say Kaidou was lax because Jack failed completely
Jack's failure wasn't because Kaidou was lax though. Jack tried to take on an entire marine escort fleet with one ship, and Fujitora was there too if I'm not mistaken. And for the second one it took a giant ancient elephant to stop Jack from making a third attempt at Zou. Both of those don't diminish his perceived strength, it just means that you have to use extreme measures to stop this man. This is a good thing in my book. It preserves his threat.

>WB died, Kaidou lost smiles, BM is having her territory trampled
Yes, but losing smiles isn't Kaidou's fault. That falls on Doflamingo although you can argue that Kaidou should have had his own troops reinforcing Dressrosa as well.

WB died and it could have been avoided if he had simply listened to reason. This is a fact. He made up for it by being able to back up his stubbornness when the time came. All while dying of some disease and tanking a lot of attacks by himself.

>all are shown putting their guard down
What? WB was on full guard and Kaido has never been directly present for anything but I argue that sending Jack was sufficient for the job at hand.

>Tamago.
His ability works on the merit that he has to be injured first. And like I said, he lost in a humiliating way. Pedro was literally playing with him since the plan was to fake his death anyways.

>>153507094
>I do not see a large portion of them comparing to a NW Luffy who is injured and starved.
I'm sorry, that is beyond my belief.

>>153507749
>Cracker was considered strong and got placed against a rain user and taken care of
He also failed to kill Luffy by himself even when we demonstrate that he's able to penetrate luffys haki.
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>>153508358
Jack is a subordinate of Kaidou. A failure of Jack is a failure of Kaidou. Jack was beaten because Kaidou didn't expect the elephant to attack Jack. Cracker was beaten because BM didn't expect all of his soldiers to be rained on and eaten.
>Yes, but losing smiles isn't Kaidou's fault.
They are subordinates of Kaidou just as BM is being held responsible for the failings of her subordinates. Again I feel you are too harsh in judging BM over others. Why couldn't Kaidou send out his crew to back up Joker?
> He made up for it by being able to back up his stubbornness when the time came. All while dying of some disease and tanking a lot of attacks by himself.
He died and so did Ace he himself being powerful doesn't speak for much as we are not observing the strength of the yonkous themselves (as you admit to BM being powerful)
>WB was on full guard and Kaido has never been directly present for anything but I argue that sending Jack was sufficient for the job at hand.
You miscomprehend. I was speaking on Jack and Jozu/Marco. I never commented on the strength of the yonkous themselves
>Injured
Buggy is not injured when he is cut in half. Tamago works by cracking himself open. He did not lose and again I compared him to Izo and Atmos
>I'm sorry, that is beyond my belief.
K
>He also failed to kill Luffy by himself even when we demonstrate that he's able to penetrate luffys haki
He was failing, he never failed. He at no point was left incapable of continuing to attempt to kill Luffy prior to Nami raining on him

You have not once commented on the strength of anyone beyond Marco, Jozu and Jack. You're ignoring portions when I reference them.
>Izo
>Curiel
>Blenheim
>Namule
>Fossa
>Rakuyo
>Jiru
>Atmos
>Haruta
>Kingdew
>Blamenco
>40+ literal who NW Captains
You're pointing to lower level BM subordinates while refusing to respond to any reference of WB's lower level subordinates. The only two you mention Jozu and Marco, were disabled without doing much of anything
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>break next week
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>>153507239
>almiral level
>level
kek
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>>153508358
>>153508890
How am I supposed to take what you say seriously when you completely ignore portions of my post again and again? You ignored my point about the lower level division commanders when it challenges what you posted in response to that post, you ignored what I said about Marco and Jozu when it answers what you replied with. Most of what >>153508358
is answered by what you didn't quote in >>153507014
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>>153508010
>You guys are afraid the manga will end?
I think that's it combined with Oda arguably speeding up the story on a grand scale so he's not still writing well into his 60s. The admirals, let alone the yonko, seemed like such a distant, far off threat pre-timeskip, but now we've reached that territory were one of those could be beaten within just a few arcs from now. It's hard for some people to grasp and accept.
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>>153487076
It was recycled with Robin already. Did you forget Nami arc or story?
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>>153495836
Did you miss the part where Luffy spoke to Big Mom whilst locked up saying that fighter her was not his intention? The whole point of the arc is to rescue Sanji, not fight a Yonko.
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>>153497668
Nope, because he didn't spin the wheel.

>>153497751
That's simply due to Doffy's powers. He can generate limitiless string so it's not hard to entangle someone in it. Think of a giant spider; you can get stuck in the web but it doesn't mean it's a more powerful being than you. Jozu wasn't even phased by being "strung" either, he seemed merely annoyed. Doffy honestly couldn't do anything to Jozu aside from that.
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>>153508890
>A failure of Jack is a failure of Kaidou.
BM's failure to properly staff and distribute her members is her own fault. Like I said, I think Jack was more than sufficient for the Zou operation. What happened with the Elephant was beyond the scope of the mission and there was no other intel to operate on. BM is losing a war in her own front yard when she has the option to send in more people much faster.

> Again I feel you are too harsh in judging BM over others.
Not really because all of this is happening on her home turf. This is the one place where she should actually have things on lock.

>Why couldn't Kaidou send out his crew to back up Joker?
I asked the same question. I have no idea and offer no suggestions. It's just something I figured you could argue to point towards his own failings.

>He did not lose
Yes he did. Had Pedro not been haming it up he would have been stabbed or such. Tamago was outmatched, nothing in the story points otherwise. And given past information Tamago has always been outmatched by Pedro.

>he only two you mention Jozu and Marco, were disabled without doing much of anything
Because you brought up Jack and my point about Jacks level of intimidation is directly related to Cracker.

>He was failing, he never failed.
No he failed too. Even when he did corner Luffy his sword was unable to penetrate him due to tank man balloon.

>>153508980
>How am I supposed to take what you say seriously when you completely ignore portions of my post again and again?
Im more confused on what point you are trying to make here? So what if BM and WB have lower powered people. Does that mean that a severely weakened luffy can just automatically walk roughshod over them? If all of them could be mobilized at a moment why did Luffy only seem to encounter one of the haki fist brothers later on during his prison break? He clearly struggled in a group exchange and that's BM's main M.O. Her angry army.
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