New director for Super, what do you think?
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2017/02/04/dragon-ball-supers-universe-survival-arc-debut-new-series-directors/
>>153459933
They are ningens, so I can't expect much
Leave Goku to me.
This is Bulma.
Say something nice about her.
>>153459933
It's still going to look like shit.
Reminder that Gohan will get wolf musk sprayed in his face then beaten up in the upcoming fight
>B-but its Gohans time
>L-leave Goku to him!
>>153460058
There's nothing nice to say. She's the worst girl in the entire franchise.
>>153460058
I'm going to have sex with your daughter someday.
>>153460058
You used to be a character so that was cool
>>153459933
So far, it's looking much prettier than before. Super's initial artstyle was too childish and simple. I miss Z's shading and muscles and the new director seems to be merging Super's and Z's styles, which I'm okay with.
>>153460150
He did work on GT and the intro/outros for Kai so he has that oldschool touch.
>>153460058
her young self was quite nice
>>153460058
Without her Vegeta wouldn't have gone SSJ4. Thank you based Bulma.
Shin and Majin Buu become the best of friends. Screencap this.
Merge with me, Zamasu.
>>153460081
Will he?spoiler says he will get blind and beaten but then there will be some twist. Idk why he cant sense ki though.
>>153460081
Leave Fem!Broly to me.
>>153460229
In what way is an attempted child murdering whore nice? I've had it with you damn revisionist Bulmafags praising her just because she chilled out once even Yamcha didn't want that pussy.
Chi-chi for life, real niggas for Chi-chi.
When?
>>153460248
Did he even do anything as a SSJ4
It's been so long since I've seen GT
>>153460335
>>153460319
>Idk why he cant sense ki though.
Ki infused wolf musk.
>>153460229
Indeed.
Too bad she has perma-soccer mom haircut now.
>>153460335
>Chi-chi for life, real niggas for Chi-chi.
Best girl.
>>153460150
>Nostalgiafags getting duped by a filter
Top kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ye_bOgpRSE
2:55
Why didnt Zamasu just ask for all the ningen to be removed?
>>153460356
He fused with Goku and that's it. As a SSJ4 he couldn't even keep up with Nova Shenlong who was just pretending to be controlled by Omega.
>>153460410
DELET
>>153460023
No, leave Goku to me. I'm gonna pound him.
I don't understand.
All they had to was NOT add the lipstick, they go and do just that, the retards.
>>153460406
I miss when Bulma used to change her hairstyle each arc , it was one of those things that Dragonball always did
She has had that same one for all of Super
>Row 3 Column 3 is the best
>>153460428
Then he wouldn't get the satisfaction from doing it himself.
He wanted to teach them a lesson.
>>153460494
>>153460473
>>153460456
Oh, so he's just good for games then.
All I remember about SSJ4 Vegeta is that in DBH or something he was mind controlled by Babidi or something
Leave the other universes to me
>>153460506
>that 80's bulma
good times
side-ponytail one was the lewdst one i think though.
>>153460354
After Zeno mindwipes everyone at the end of Super.
>>153460507
Thankfully Toyo changed Zamasu's stance in the manga. Once Black preformed it, it was game over.
leave goku 2 me
>>153460229
>>153460335
>>153460369
>Chi-chi
not only does Toriyama dislike her but she gets to play a bitch again in super too
Gotta love how they skip her in the valentine event too. Guess the dokkan guys figured there was no love for chi-chi
>>153460494
She looks like Mai.
>>153460058
>Say something nice
>a ningen
No thanks
Reminder that Pilaf is the only villain who achieved his goal is ruling the world
>Is friends with the strongest people in the world
>Can ask any of them to grab the dragon balls and they would do it with no fuss in less than a week
>Can wish him ruler of the world anytime
>Will finally accomplish his goal of ruling the world thanks to Mai marrying the son of the richest woman in the world
>>153460554
What the fuck is white birdo doing in this I don't even what
>>153460369
>Waits for the loss edit
>>153459933
Nagamine is one of the best talents at toei still but it won't matter much for DBS with how much of a disaster it is production wise
>>153460642
Mai is one really lucky girland the best one
>>153460612
Gee wonder if a spic drew that
>>153460506
>She has had that same one for all of Super
Aside from BoG
Reminder that gohan would be miles ahead of goku and vegeta if he wasnt a respectable productive member of society
Reminder that once our guy fails to stop goku it will be up to Gohan to step up, become the strongest fella around and save everyone again(like he did previously almost everytiem)
Rejoice, Gohanfriends, the promised hour is almost upon us
>>153460677
>Trunks is the only Saiyan to date a girl who isn't rich
Why are most saiyans such gold diggers?
>>153460494
>>153460616
didn't they add more make-up to Mai too in the anime compared to the manga?
Makes me wonder the manga version of cleo will look
Reminder
https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/827868156890865665
>But seriously what the fuck is Super's production even. It's destroying every good director at Toei.
>Can't wait to watch a tournament arc crash and burn... again.
>What's even sadder is that there are people who think the filler episodes will help the production in the upcoming arc.
>>153460058
Cute!
>>153460554
>Fur isn't blue
>>153460412
>the filter alters the artstyle
>being duped
I won't comment on your taste since I don't know you, and I found the video you posted quite amusing, but I'll have to say I disagree with the commentator. This new filter makes things much prettier and nostalgic, which was what I said before. If Super had this filter all along, I'd enjoyed it much more, even the Jelly Vegeta would be more bearable then.
What I definetely don't know and can't talk about is about the animation quality for the next episodes.
I quite liked the Goku vs. bandits fight because of how it made me feel, how mean he looked like while having fun beating the road raiders and how he used zanzoken (I'm a nostalgiafag alright). Also, it was a stablishing moment of character when he said he didn't like to work, but, unlike those guys, he's too carefree and good spirited to take things out of others. In spite of being stupid and being hellbent on risk the universe just to get some satisfaction, he's not evil.
If the animation's not good as it hasn't been in many instances by now, I won't care much if the narrative's alright. However, these new filters definetely makes me feel happier while watching it - I really like the thick lines thing...
>>153460785
Not really, In the anime she has way less makeup than in the original DB.
>>153460614
She's only a bitch because Goku is a retard, and he's doing his best to turn his kids retarded as well.
For the record, objective rankings of DB waifus follow:Chi-chi > Launch > 18 = Videl >= Mai >>>> Bulma
>>153460058
Still hot for 40.
>>153460828
>This new filter makes things much prettier and nostalgic
Thanks for proving my point.
>>153460412
It's not just the filters - not how buff Goku looked this episode - and even Gohan once he got into his gi. Mr.Satan also went way back to his cell Saga design.
>>153460596
???
Would Buu beat that wolf guy? He seems to be getting thrash pretty badly last episode
>>153460410
What's happening to Krilin there?
>>153460978
>>153460978
He should be, it's not like Basil is going to obliterate him with a powerful beam or something.
>>153460958
People thin Super will be "it was all a dream" because they cant accept that EoZ and GT is retconned
>>153460843
Looking at images right now, I don't think Mai had make up in the manga. It was entirely the anime crew doing it.
>>153460993
"Leave Basil to me!"
>>153461007
If Buu won does that mean that Govan will job? I meant Goku is very unlikely to lose.
>>153460978
Buu clearly isn't getting damaged. Although the wolf guy still has a transformation.
>>153461056
Gohan was gonna job anyway.
OMG they changed the "ARTSTYLE", looks so epic and nostalgic
This is the deebeezee I remember XD
>>153460978
Buu is a big fat mess.
>>153461056
>I meant Goku is very unlikely to lose.
They said Bergamo uses poison and never win fair and square, so I bet Goku will lose like he did with Frost.
>>153461056
Gohan might not even get a chance to fight.
>>153460958
>goku goes too far in trying to fight stronk opponents that he ends up getting other universes deleted
>zeno realises that this is all due to him being introduced to the gods
>mind wipes everyone so they never know of gods and god ki
>expressly forbids beerus and whis from having anything to do with earth and goku
>cue end of z
>>153460843
>In the anime she has way less makeup than in the original DB.
you w0t?
>>153460940
I was trying to explain how that's not being 'duped', but suit yourself. Us both agree that the filters caters to the nostalgic fans, and, as one of those, I'm happy to be taken into consideration.
>>153461080
filter aside, the art has been less QUALITY in these new episodes
>>153461080
>>153461080
>Being THIS mad
>>153460335
>>153460614
>>153460886
I kind of understand the thought process of why people don't like Chi Chi as the planet not having strong defenders when it has some evil planet destroying asshole coming to blow shit up on a regular basis means everything's fucked.
Then again I'm sure none of them are self-aware of that or genre savvy.
>>153461080
It lacks the thick lines. They are what make it nicer than before...
>>153461081
Don't make fun
>>153461080
>XD
Get out.
>>153461110
Posted wrong picture I guess ?
>>153461180
>taking the bait
>>153460412
If the brush lines are really a filter too, then it's a pretty advanced one. In Tiger Mask, all lines end up thicker due to that effect, but here in super there's a clear variation.
How strong is Buu realistically now? He is still listening to Satan for fucking sake
>>153461110
Pilaf is supposed to be Green? He really does forget how to draw everyone LOL
>>153461198
She's blushing there...
>>153461081
Me eat you up!
ME EAT YOU UP!
>>153461025
In the colored pages she had a very light make up.
>>153461200
>not taking the bait
A meals a meal anon.
>>153461244
Yeah exactly.
You can't tell if she has makeup or not.
You can't see her face properly.
So its useless.
>>153461255
>Dub Boo
Fuck outta here.
>>153461110
>>153461238
Suprisingly enough, he is also green in the "characters" section on the official website.
>>153461211
About the same strength as max power Buu Saga Vegeta.
So weaker than the Saiyans but still strong. Also keep in mind he has an insta KO move
>>153461104
That sounds retarded. Kill yourself please.
>>153461211
Why is Satan still afraid of Buu? He is like 200% good now isn't it?
>>153461321
>>153461211
He is a jobber now so he might as well be Yamcha tier, he will never be useful or anything
Its pretty clear Toriyama had no idea what to do with Buu , I bet he regrets him living
>>153461211
the first fat buu was weaker than SS3 Goku
and when fat buu split into the good fat buu and the evil skinny buu, most of its power went into the skinny one
this good fat buu is probably weaker than a SS2
probably piccolo-tier
>>153461301
>not watching the dub
Fuck outta here.
>>153461391
>Why is Satan still afraid of Buu?
Imagine what happens when someone steals his pudding.
He isn't outright evil, but he's a calamity when angry.
>>153461165
Edgy teenagers don't like strong women because they remind them too much of their parents. It takes a more childish or a more mature mindset to want someone as strong willed as Chichi.
Childish people like to have someone reliable and insightful on how the world works to guide them through life. More mature people like to have someone strong to share duties, optimize methods through arguing and partnering up.
Since most anime fans are mentally living through their adolescence (specially at 4chan), Chi-chi's controlling demeanor doesn't sit well with them because they don't feel (or don't want to feel) the need to have anyone telling them what to do neither are sure enough of themselves to be able to counter-argue someone so fiery. Even when she clearly's wrong about her priorities. If Goku wasn't such a stupid fuck, he'd be able to show her how irrational are her ways.
>>153460843
>>153461025
>>153461110
>>153461423
>watching the dub
>liking the dub
>recommending the dub
Fuck outta there x2.
>>153460527
muh dick
>>153461453
Enjoy granny Goku and Gohan.
King Kai's voice also sucks
>>153461467
>Believing Schemmel's Kaio voice is any good
wew
>>153461453
The dub was good enough. This is DBZ its not high art and Superman is way better than Granny Goku.
>>153461406
Nah, he actually could get some hits on Kid Buu, unlike Vegeta SSJ2.
Note that he split when he powered up too much due to anger, so he isn't exactly less than 50% of the Fat Buu that Goku saw.
OMFG CLOWN GOD KILLS VEGETA AND BECOMES THE NEW VILLAIN STRONGER THAN ZENO
>>153461165
If Goku would listen to Chi-chi's wise words, most of the cosmic threats would have never had Earth on their radar.
>Don't take Gohan to Namek
>Doesn't get traumatized by the Faggot Force and brainwashed into becoming Super Gayman Fooo~
>Don't let Gohan fight that monster!
>Trains with Vegeta and Trunks instead
>Mop the floor because of rivalry while training
>Don't enter the tournament in the Buu saga
>Doesn't go SSJ2 and get succed
>Doesn't do it again and awaken Buu
>Doesn't get cocky and lead to Buuhan
If Goku would just listen to his goddamn wife and raise his fucking kids like a responsible adult, ENTIRE UNIVERSES WOULD BE SAVED.
DB is a longplay strategy by the Japanese government to get men to grow up and marry women and have a family by showing them the risks of living by your own rules. Listen to your wife, kids. That's the secret lesson.
>>153461467
>King Kai's voice also sucks
Only in the first 10 or so episodes.
>You will never love someone so much that seeing them in danger sends you in a power fueled rage
>>153461488
>Superman is way better than Granny Goku
>this high degree of shit taste
>>153461487
Some people think Schemmel's Kaio is funny, for some reason
>>153460614
>>153460993
Buu is going to have fun playing with his new puppy
>>153461080
is that deebeezee? IT IS!! IT IS!!
>>153461487
It's a unique voice instead of godly voice #256
>>153461552
Your own shit taste is showing.
>>153461554
Dubfags, for ya.
>>153461488
>I AM THE HOPE OF THE MEMEVERSE
wew
>>153461581
>a literal retard impression
>unique voice
stop
>>153460058
FERTILE
>>153461590
Irony at its absolute finest.
>>153461593
Don't forget
>I WILL NOT LET YOU DESTROY MUH WOOORRRLLLDDDDD
>>153461593
Yes, shocking how low the bar must be for that to be better than a granny and yet somehow it is.
>>153461299
She wears a little of eye shadow.
>>153461604
If you hear the voice you instantly know it's King Kai.
>>153461651
>If you hear the voice you instantly know it's King Kai.
Yeah and it's in my nightmares because it's so trash.
>>153461639
>having such low standards
I bet you like Schemmel's Black voice too, faggot.
>>153461445
>>153461643
Toei really went full retard with her make-up.
>>153461668
Wait, where can I hear this?
>>153461536
>You will love someone so much that seeing them in danger sends you in a power fueled rage
>but they will never love you
Say what you want about the Buu saga and it's probably warranted, but I'd be lying to myself if I said it didn't have a perfect ending. Not just for the arc, but the series as a whole.
From seeing Vegeta's character growth and reviving everyone on Earth just to help Goku to the scenes of all the old characters lifting up their hands to give Goku their energy, (hell, I teared up a bit seeing Lunch and Upa) that last bit really was perfection. If the series had ended with Z, I would be perfectly content and wouldn't change a thing.Now to have Dragon Ball ruined for me by Super and GT>tfw you blog about Dragon Ball on Valentine's Day because you don't have a bf to spend time with
>>153461704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgyYcXJhEvQ
>>153461668
Dude had no real direction on what he was doing, he thought Black was just generic evil goku at the time. Besides using Xenoverse as a gauge of good voice acting, that was a shit show from the start.
>>153461627
>I WILL NOT LET YOU DESTROY MUH WOOORRRLLLDDDDD
That was retarded, they try so hard to make DB a capeshit series
>>153461736
LONDON
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>>153461769
but I'm a boy >:3c
>>153461627
>I WILL NOT LET YOU DESTROY MUH WOOORRRLLLDDDDD
>implying that moment wasn't pure kino
>>153460412
It's not just filter.
The lines are visibly much thicker, compare to pic related from last arc which has very thin lines.
Also characters are noticably less thin and more muscular.
Mr Satan has better design reminiscent of his Cell Saga one.
It's not just a filter.
>>153461758
Yet he refuses to change it even with direction as he's said on Twitter. He thinks that qualifies as something good.
>>153461797
It sure was kek.
>>153461746
Wait was the Goku Black arc even done in Japan when this game came out?
>>153461765
>They try so hard to make DB a capeshit series
>>153461746
>Black
>Literally Batman Goku
kek
>>153461736
This holy shit
If you didn't put your arms up in the air for Goku's final Spirit Bomb get the fuck off of my board.
>>153461498
>Destroy a planet with seltzer water and silly string, ride away on a unicycleHonk Honk
>>153461812
>Also characters are noticably less thin and more muscular.
That's because Toei is full of retarded people who think:
>Change outfit
>Buff again
Make Gohan wear the tracksuit and you'll see he's a skinny faggot again
>>153461818
That game randomly switches VA's for characters what makes you think it wasn't good enough for that game?
>>153461778
Oh, never mind then.
I want dubfags to go.
>>153461921
It wasn't good enough for the game, and it's not going to be good enough for the series.
>>153461812
>pic related
That is just a fanart color edit of Toyotaro's manga panel.
>>153461956
Let's just wait and see. It's gonna be awhile yet since the dubs only up to Ep.6
>>153461131
>Next gen of 4chan keeping the QUALITY meme
>Replaced the HEALTHY meme for "thicc"
Sometimes, I don't understand you next-genfags.
>>153461317
Wake up Chrono
>>153461970
>that Black
Where have I seen this before?
>pic related
Oh yeah. And doesn't he have black eyeliner now too? wew
>>153462061
delet this
>>153462040I think the same thing everytime I see Pilaf.
Any doujins about #18 NTR'ing Krilling with #17?
>>153462086
Hopefully after this arc.
>>153460058
I find it hilarious she still thinks she's hot shit and can seduce people. It didn't work when she was a teenager, why would it work now?
She shat out a kid already and has saggy tits, did she think Zamasu was some kind of MILF hunter?
Dubfags and subfags are natural enemies! Like mangafags and subfags! Or Gohanfags and subfags! Or subfags and other subfags! Damn subfags! They ruined DB!
>>153461558
>>153461703
>Toei really went full retard with her make-up.
yup.
>>153461746
that voice.. really trying hard there
>>153462122
>Blue
>Zamasu
Of course it didn't work. They're both faggots.
>>153460596
thought i was the only one who thinks something like this will happen
>>153461956
I'd say that's where your wrong.
>>153462180
I'll hold you to that then, anon.
Mai is overrated
Where are the Shu lewds
>>153462178
It's Dragon Ball, it's not like there's gonna be some big epic ruse that fools us all. It'll be a meh finish to Super to link it into the End of Z because Toriyama refuses to just retcon it for some reason.
>>153461104
>cue end of z
More like
>Cue Revival F where Freeza wins.
>>153462122
You have poor taste.
>>153462233
shu is not for lewd
>>153462233
Shu is an adorable dog, he's not for lewd.
>>153462248
>frieza solves the saiyan question once and for all
Oh Kami yes, please let this happen.
>>153462233
yiff in hell
>>153462239
It's already too late for EoZ to be canon. Bulma says "I haven't seen you in 5 years to Goku" and Pan is said to be 4. She's already born in Super and everyone is together.
It's either gonna be an alt timeline or they just redo EoZ in Super with shit like God Ki, Beerus and Whis, etc
>>153462172
She probably doesn't even know how kaioshins reproduce and Zamasu clearly finds ningens utterly repulsive, why did she assume her womanly """charm""" would distract him?
>>153462040
Pilaf is a Mystic, always has been.
>>153462239
But Toriyama is linking Super with end of z, which is why we're getting stuff like Bra now. This needlessly complex retcon you talk about will never happen.
There'll be some minor contradictions, like the 5 years line, but it seems pretty clear they're intent on just running straight to end of Z.
>>153462278
Bulma might be a genius but she's also a dumb slut.
Gohan.
>>153462278
Elder Kai was into earthling women, so safe to say more or less the same.
>>153462309
That's not a minor contradiction, that's a big thing. Bulma isn't the only one who is mad that nobody has seen Goku, multiple people comment on it. That's why him leaving to train Uub is even more shitty. They can't just ditch that
>>153462309
>he thinks Bulma's unborn child is Bra
>>153462359
That's like saying Hitler would be into Jewish women because some old perv across the world was
Why aren't you watching this /a/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTsr_u1E1c8
>>153462365
The same lines could make sense for 3 or 4 years though. Heck, the calendar/timeline issue so far is anime-only too, so it might not even be intended by Toriyama and it's just Toei messing up with filler like usual.
>>153461211
SSJ2 Gohan, completely drained from full, made up exactly half the energy needed to restore Buu to full power IIRC
So, Fat Buu = SSJ2 Gohan * 2
When Fat Buu split, Evil Buu took the majority of the power, leaving Good Buu with less than half.
Good Buu < SSJ2 Gohan
This might seem odd considering SSJ2 Gohan << SSJ2 Vegeta, who did not fare as well against Kid Buu as Good Buu did, but Good Buu's performance is mostly due to his regen factor which gave him an edge that SSJ2 Vegeta did not.
>>153461746
I feel like if anything, Schemmel's voice fits the manga's interpretation of Black more than the anime's.
I'm gonna flip my shit if we don't get some good shots of Bulma nursing the baby.
could the dragon balls be stored in the hyperbolic time chamber to get around the 1 year wait period?
>summon Shen Long inside the chamber
>make your wishes
>catch one of the dragon balls before they scatter and put it at the entrance so you can find your way back
>come back the next day
>use the dragon radar to find the other balls
>rinse and repeat
>one of the major points of this show is that power levels don't matter
>every thread
>HOW POWERFUL IS X COMPARED TO Y?
>>153462580
No.
>>153462233
She never was
>>153462616
If power levels don't matter then why is Piccolo so goddamn useless?
>>153461500
>if Goku listened to Chi Chi he'd be on the rice fields and not telling Zeno to start a tournament that'll result in the certain doom of 11 entire universes
Really gets the almonds activating.
>>153462399
I meant in regards to how Kais reproduce.
>>153461500
>>Don't take Gohan to Namek
>Frieza gets the dragon balls and makes his wish
>>153462643
because this is the Goku show
>>153462745
That's why Goku was outclassed for the majority of Z, right?
>>153462616
>one of the major points of this show is that power levels don't matter
>power levels don't matter
(You)
>>153462761
Super is the Goku show.
Z was SUPPOSED to be the Gohan show but Japanese shitters liked Goku more
>>153462616
>one of the major points of this show is that power levels don't matter
Since when? Beerus, Golden Frieza, Hit, all those arcs were solved by attaining a new transformation to match the new enemy.
So scouters/power levels were the absolute worst thing to ever happen to Z, and probably Shounen in general, right?
The power level shit infested other series too like Naruto/ Shaman King/ Bleach who took inspiration from Toriyama
>>153462837
Since literally the first episode of Z when Piccolo and Goku defeat Raditz.
Powerlevel wise Goku is 100% still outclassed by Hit and has to be crafty.
Beerus still fucks up Goku.
Frieza still thinks power levels matter,
>>153462704
>Guru still dies
>>153462359
>Elder Kai was into earthling women
Yeah but he absorbed a human(?) witch.
>>153462908
Actually
What the fuck is the deal with witches?
What gives Baba the power to bring people back from the dead?
>>153462938
Baba is not an ordinary ningen
>>153462969
Is Roshi not either then? Are they actually siblings?
Why was there a wish in the supreme kai world
>>153462856
Probably. That and "Main character does everything and everyone else is just there to job and talk about how strong/cool/etc they are."
You've gone too far this time Dad, I can't let you carry this on.
>>153462797
Based nips. But the real reason is that Toriyama changed his mind about making Gohan the protagonist.
>>153462640
Yeah, if anything I think she is severely underrated.
>>153463028
Says the boy who is rendered helpless by furry musk
>>153463142
Don't worry Gohan, leave goku to me.
>>153460978
Clearly you don't remember Buu has a strong resistance to physical attacks
>>153463142
>rendered helpless by furry musk
Where does that come from? New episode summaries that I have missed?
Would appreciate a source.
>>153462887
>Since literally the first episode of Z when Piccolo and Goku defeat Raditz.
They don't defeat him on the first episode. And Piccolo's power level WAS higher when using the makkankosappo, which is how they killed him.
They train to fight the Saiyans, they're still worthless against Nappa and are reduced to stall for time until Goku arrives with his higher power level.
Same as above in Namek against the Ginyu Forces. And the other major villains were beaten by getting hurt then getting better, thus raising their power level.
Goku turns stronger than Frieza by becoming SSJ.
The androids and every form of Cell are defeated by Piccolo fusing with Kami or one of the Saiyans reaching a more evolved stage of SSJ.
Same with Buu. Him being finally defeated by the Genki Dama being useful for once doesn't change the fact that all the arc is about people getting new transformations to match Buu's changes.
>>153463028
>>153463168
Why is meme so hilarious to me?
>>153463182
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/831406708245225472
Considering the episode title and how the decription ends with a "but..." it's pretty obvious Gohan will win.
>>153463208
sometimes things are just funny anon
>>153462856
yeah remember in DB when Gokus less powerful friends were helpful in beating villains?
When Goku beat his opponents not by training or gaining more power through other means?
Oh wait both never happened.
>>153463168
Captain ayy lmao won't last very long against Son-kun.
Kissu! <3
>>153463251
I see, thanks.
>>153462797
>Z was SUPPOSED to be the Gohan show but Toriyama got bored of that faggot
FTFY
>>153463266
Yajirobe is the only reason they were able to beat Vegeta
>>153463251
>it's pretty obvious Gohan will win.
Good. I'd rather see him losing during the actual tournament.
I'm trying to work on my DBZ art style Mimicry
I thiiiiink I just about got the faces down, but not the clothing folds and shit, I figured I'd test it out with my xenoverse 2 character
any tips any thoughts?
>>153463399
DD of Truth
Anyone else genuinely hyped for her? I like the silly looking characters best.
>>153463399
I still can't understand how anyone would want to watch a Gohan show, seriously. I don't get what Gohanfags see in such a boring character.
>>153463486
here's another example
>>153463266
>yeah remember in DB when Gokus less powerful friends were helpful in beating villains?
Goku defeated Vegeta thanks to Gohan, Krilin and fucking Yajirobe
Gohan was able to defeat thanks to base Vegeta
Goku defeated Buu with a ki ball made with the energy of the humans and "Goku's less powerful friends"
Who of you is so tired and disappointed of Dragon Ball Super? Is Akira Toriyama even envolved in anything related to super? I honestly can't imagine it as he always wrote so original and funny stories in combination with unique characters and settings. Now it's incredible plain and I don't even understand why it's still called "Dragon Ball".
>Fuji TV building and Tokyo Tower appears in the town, even it was originally set in some rural China
>Town looks lifeless
>Villains are not interesting (just think of Cell or Boo in comparison)
>Stupid idol story with Gohan
>Incredible long fights where the end seems near and than someone gets even stronger and the fight goes on even more episodes
>No pervert jokes anymore
>The fun jokes included are on a very dumb level
>Vegeta =/= Vegeta
>Characters don't change their clothes/hairstyle anymore
>The same background soundtrack containing maybe 10 songs in total. I'm already tired of every song
>"Lets just forget about the dragon balls.. we don't need them anymore"
>>153463266
>Gohan and co. stalling Frieza so Goku can heal
>Vegeta, Buu, and even Satan helping Goku charge his spirit bomb
>Gohan killing a full strength Cell twice
>Yajirobe cutting Vegeta's tail off
And a bunch of others.
Unless you're talking about Dragon Ball itself and not the entire series, then ignore this.
>>153463576
>Gohan was able to defeat Cell*
>tien uses multiform technique in fusions
I get why cause 5v5 but I got hope some of his old moves come back for super
>>153463654
>Piccolo will never grow huge again
>>153463595
>pic related what west city used to be
Maybe those are just detailed things but in my opinion that's exactly what Toriyama's work always made so special and interesting
>>153460494
>that angel
>>153463681
Should have made one where she's kissing his dick.
>>153463685
Or will he?
>>153463486
>>153463531
Mimicing DBZ is probably the worst way to learn art ever
at least mimic original DB or some Dr. Slump, the style Toriyama had then was a lot nicer than all the rectangular eyes and shit
>>153463009
I think witches are just chosen like Kami and the like to serve their purpose. Roshi and Baba are indeed siblings but Roshi doesn't agebecause of the phoenix.
>>153463595
Need better b8, m8.
>>153463486
Not knocking your shit down or anything, but please loose the flame pants.
>>153463501
I can't wait for Vegeta to not actually Job to her.
>>153460335
at least bulma was useful when needed, chichi is shit. her only purpose in the story was giving birth too children. goten, total irrelevant and a pussy in gt (inb4 gt isnt cannon) and gohan, who was only useful till Cell Saga, then it became crap and i bet he wont give a good impresion in the upcoing tournament.
Reminder that this man-droid won't take any prisioners at the multiverse tournament in order to protect his park and family.
>>153463791
Hot damn. Maybe not all spics in the DB fandom are bad.
>>153463757Roshi will die and be reborn as a more srs fighter in the tournment as a powerup.
>>153463791
>>153463839
Where is the sauce on him having kids , I hear it but have never seen anything to back it up
So 17 and 18 would have normal kids right? Marron doesnt have any strength at all it seems like from either parent
>>153463839
your right he's going to job like a bitch.
>>153463595
He isn't doing any world design for Super's anime. His only background designs have been for the manga so far (like the Egyptian-style arena and redoing the nameless planet from Toyotaro's comically small version).
>Stupid idol story with Gohan
They always announce the actual Toriyama story arcs - the stories between them aren't by Toriyama.
>Incredible long fights where the end seems near and than someone gets even stronger and the fight goes on even more episodes
This was never Toriyama. Dragonball's battles are actually very fast paced generally compared to modern manga.
>Characters don't change their clothes/hairstyle anymore
Yeah, Toriyama is oddly conservative with new designs in Super itself. Note that he was doing that even up to BoGs and Revival F though.
>The same background soundtrack containing maybe 10 songs in total. I'm already tired of every song
Ever since the first director change after the U6 tournament Super's soundtrack has been pretty good and it seems like the 4/5th directors will keep it going.
YOU
YOU'RE DESPICABLE
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU CHANGED THE KARMA BALL INTO POSITIVE ENERGY AND USED MY OWN WEAPON TO DESTROY THE NEGATIVE ENERGY, THAT WAS COVERING THE EARTH?
>>153463696
"oh wow let's put the Tokyo Tower into that city"
>>153463763
Why you think that it's a b8? I'm just saying why exactly I can't enjoy Super and wonder if other people have a similar opinion. I'm not often here so I have no idea how you think about Super in general but from what I know is that in Japan it's not so popular either.
>>153463842
shut up you piece of shit, negro de mierda
>>153463884
>So 17 and 18 would have normal kids right? Marron doesnt have any strength at all it seems like from either parent
Because she's not a half-Saiyan freak who inherits her parents' super powers
>>153463935
understood
>>153463935
When will based Gogeta be canon?
>>153463756
I already know how to do art, I just wanted to try my hand at the dbz art style
>>153463884
>Where is the sauce on him having kids , I hear it but have never seen anything to back it up
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/tidbits/character-fates/
>>153460494
"She" is a tranny
>>153463832
>and i bet he wont give a good impresion in the upcoing tournament.
You had better take that back my friend.
>>153463986
Never.
>>153463595
>"Lets just forget about the dragon balls.. we don't need them anymore"
The dragon balls became rather irrelevent by the time of the Cell saga and was only necessary for clean up. Though in every arc after the movies, the super dragon balls have been involved. It's the prize of the universe 6 and 7 tournament, it's what allowed Black and Zamasu to gain their powers, and now they're going to be a prize for the best fighter in the Tournament of Power.
>>153463839
'Eeeeeeeey BooBoo! While there's noooo 17, we'll swipe pic-a-nic baskets unseen!
>>153464038
Shit from a Q&A?
Its very likely he will forget about the wife and kids
Twintails angel a total qt.
>>153460058
Looking forward to that eroge you're going to be in.
>>153464139
Well, he remembered the Park Ranger bit at least.
>>153463595
You are absolutely right, but in some aspects it became that way during DBZ, human characters became irrelevant and so did Piccolo, it's really a shame because having the other character keeping up with Goku made it much more exciting, now it's all just about the sayanjins and if you're not one, you're irrelevant, so they don't even bother changing those characters that much.
>>153463945
Get back over the border, Pedro. America is only for worthy Mexican Americans like me. Full spics not allowed.
Remind me again why Gowasu didn't introduce Zamasu to civilised, peaceful mortals? That would surely have softened his hatred enough to take his loss to Goku less personally and avert him going Black.
>>153464135
>EeeeeeeeyBuuBuu!
>>153464139
From the looks of things he remembered him being a park ranger, so I expect his 3 kids to show up.
>>153464174
Gowasu is dumb and senile. Even Whis and Beerus called him out for choosing a lunatic to be his apprentice.
>>153463944
Most of your points are retarded.
What, you want Vegeta to stay edgy forever and never have any development?
Gohan's two-parter was great but that's just a matter of opinion.
Most people argue the fights are too short. But your argument would be against shonen in general.
There's actually a somewhat wide range in soundtrack at this point in the show. New tracks get added each arc.
You actually are bitching about a building easter egg?
Etc.
Leave Goku to me.
>>153464279
>Gowasu is dumb and senile.
Delete this
>>153462277
I expect simply redone EoZ with extra content.
>>153459933
makes sense
the show had a huge increase in quality at episode 77. Not just the direction improved. I honestly thought the writing improved a lot more.
>>153464322
Too late, Beerus. Kill Goku and you'll have to deal with Zeno.
>>153464335
But it's true anon. If he was wiser, he wouldn't get Zamasu to be his successor and none of that shit would have happened.
Honest question, do you think Super's existence has benefited or worsened Dragon Ball?
Do you think it should have been left at BoG/RoF?
>>153463944
>why you think it's a b8?
not that guy, but I ignored your post because it was so blatantly hypocritical. Kinda sad if you're serious.
>>153463812
Originally he had purple flame pants no shirt and different gloves, I'm starting to think that looked better
>>153464169
you mexicans are the real and only wetback spics here.the biggest economy that wont never be a fisrt world country thanks to their people and their stupid corrupt government that you people deserve, yet you claim the rest of latin america is crap, give me a break after blaming the rest of the continent, its thanks to your people trump hates everybody. and your food is worst than taco bell
>>153464441
Even DBZ was a mistake
>>153464441
It's better but not when it comes to quality of the anime. The manga however is a worthy sequel.
>>153464512
>inb4 le tracing memes
>>153464441
only upcoming tournament will decide...and my bet it will worsen it. im not saying it could be kind of fun, but dragon ball ended in Buu´s saga. GT was totally unecesary to start.
>>153463595
>Stupid idol story with Gohan
I only agree with this. That filler was abysmal.
>>153464441
It retconned GT out of existence
No matter how bad super is it will never be as bad as that pile of shit , I am glad it exists just to upset GT fags
>>153464394
Leave Zeno to me.
He is my target, leave him to me.
leave the "leave them to me posts" to me
>>153464583
Can you explain how it affects GT? I haven't seen either series.
Goku is mine, leave him to me.
leave the "leave the "leave them to me posts" to me" to me
>>153464665
Leave West Supreme Kai's pussy to me.
>>153463791
She can steal myheart.
>>153464441
I'm of the opinion that continuing a story after a break only "worsens" the original material if it retcons things in a stupid way.
Super made it canon that potara fusion between mortals only lasts an hour, and that Vegito wasn't split by boo's magical farting. It has only made the story up until the end of DBZ objectively better, so I'm glad it exists even if it's an overall disappointment.
>>153464512
They're both shit because the problem is Toriyama's plots.
>>153464584
>>153464629
leave this world
>>153464629
>implying hit won't lost to Captain Ayy Lmao to show how strong he is
>>153464734
Are you implying there's a problem with making everything up as you go, skipping rough drafts?
>>153464733
>Super made it canon that potara fusion between mortals only lasts an hour
To be fair, we have to wait to see if this will happen in the manga too.
>>153464740
>lost to Captain Ayy Lmao to show how strong he is
The literal definition of Jobbing
>>153464736
Leave Kakarot to me.
Leave Daishinkan to me
>>153464696
CABBA IS MINE, LEAVE HIM ALONE
/ourslut/
>>153464937
It's unfortunate but U6 is going to explode to give U7 some motivation.
>>153464926
Fool. Ginyu is /ourslut/
>>153464455
I'm not trying to discourage in any way, see it as constructive criticism, flame pants are tacky, something that only edgelords wear.
>>153463186
>Goku turns stronger than Frieza by becoming SSJ.
They were equal when Frisbee went 100%, it's just that his power dropped rapidly after couple of minutes
>>153463986
Movie Gogeta is boring and GT Gogeta is just a Vegetto ripoff
so never ever
>>153464990
Leave Universe 7 to me.
>>153464992
This is Lizardman before I got the baby clothes, does it look better?
so how is this exhibition tournament structured? Is it 3v3 survival like the last one or will Buu step out after he wins?
No
Leave Goku to ME.
>>153464993
>That SS4 wannabe
Shit. Ruined the whole thing.
>>153463944
I'm watching Super out of nostalgia, and for the fact it comes on after Kamen Rider (of which I vastly prefer), and for the slight chance they are able to introduce new characters that make the series fun again.
I also make fun of it on a constant basis and shittalk Super quite a lot, the reason being that I had so much hope for the series yet I have yet to be impressed outside of the Vegetto x Zamasu fight.
Nothing so far apart from a few filler episodes have had the same charm that kept me hooked on DB and DBZ.
There are no characters other than 17 I look forwards too, and Super has had a track record of not handling its characters very well.
The animation is lacklustre and production is obviously rushed.
Some religious DBS fanboys keep asking why I'm watching if I only bash the series, but it's because the disappointment hurts, and I do care about the series.
>>153465059
Yeah.
>>153465025
He's probably the weakest GoD
>>153465075
he will step out once he wins.
It's three 1v1 bouts.
We don't know if U7 winning the first two means there won't be a 3rd match either. It is an exhibition after all.
You think Roshi will try and grab her pussy when they meet? If so what will she do?
>>153465097
>and Super has had a track record of not handling its characters very well.
>reeeee why is Goku a retard
>reeeee the power levels DON'T. MAKE. SENSE.
>reeeee why isn't Gohan a badass?
You're THAT guy, aren't you? Character development is the only thing Super has done completely right
>>153463757
what phoenix
leave x to me is such a shitty meme
literally "what did they mean by this" tier
>>153465169
it's the hottest meme right now
>>153465124
If he wants to get hakai'd, sure.
>>153464965
Pls no, Magetta lives there.
>jobber
>manlet
>cuck
>shitty hairline
>not Goku
Has there ever been a character that's been fucked over as hard as Vegeta?
>>153465169
leave the meme complaints to me
>>153465217
>hottest
But it was since the Black arc and then forgotten until now
>>153465169
Leave Songoku to me.
>>153465265
post the source and I'll consider it
>>153465265
source
>>153465245
>Has there ever been a character that's been fucked over as hard as Vegeta?
The human characters.
Ahahah, Gohan BTFO again
>can't even sense Ki anymore
>>153463654
>>153460494
>>153460527
>>153460494
It wouldn't be Cleopatra if she didn't have the heavy makeup including lipstick retard.
She just got Toei'd in this shot, she'll look better once her universe comes more into focus.
>>153464990
>Character gets possessed
>Becomes perfect
How is this possible?
>>153464583
This. Even at its worst, Super's mere existence is already worth it by retconning all the shitty films and GT out of existence.
>>153465313
>jobbing to furry poison
B-but muh opening h-he turned Mystic I swear
>>153465313
>That episode title
Gohan awakens his hidden potential again.
How many times does this make?
>>153463822
>Jobeta
>Not jobbing.
>Toei makes Goku a retard
>Toei makes Gowasu senile
>Toei screws up the power levels with Trunks
>Toei makes Zamasu look like he was right about ningen and Goku
>Toei makes Frost evil
>Toei makes Chi-Chi ten times more annoying
If it weren't for the fact that this might be the only animated version of this story that we'll get, unless they plan on remaking all the Super arcs into feature films, I'd stick with the manga.
>>153465275
>>153465293
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=59549796
>>153465245
At least he got to achieve SSB and is still somewhat relevant, even though he didn't get to beat Goku the one fucking time he was the enemy.Unless the real Goku becomes the enemy this arc, like the latest memes suggest.
>>153465143
Read/watch DB
>>153465396
He will, but not early, just like in the U6 tournament
>>153465371
How does it retcon the films?
>>153465139
Nope don't care about Gohan particularly much. Don't care about power levels either. Only care about storytelling, new inventive techniques being used to deal with the problems they face, and how the characters interact with each other.
So far Vegeta has had far too much character development to the point there's nowhere else to go for him.
I like Vegeta, he's my favorite character so far in Super, but because of that it feels like I have nothing left to look forwards to form him apart from him surpassing Goku, maybe.
And by character development I mean the NEW characters that have been introduced - Every single one has been throwaway or criminally ignored so far.
>>153465458
They never occurred in Super's timeline. Watch the show you cuck.
>>153465432
>female
homos fuck off
>>153465313
>"but..."
>"Awaken the Dormant Fighting Spirit! Son Gohan's Battle!!"
Sure anon. You keep telling yourself that.
Alright guises, Is the filler done, has the new arc started?
What episodes should I watch? The last episode I watched was when Gohan was doing a movie. It was an awful episode.
>>153460527
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=59013943
Is it accurate?
>>153465536
Yeah I know, the tits ruin everything.
>tfw hype to come but no hype behind to watch in preparation of upcoming tournament
anygender chanceSupreme Kai ecchi/hentai out there?
God I love how when Goku hears that all loosing universes will be erased he shows some fear for himself then says "well then I'll just have to win"; without the slightest bit of concern that he'll have to doom over a quadrillion living beings to be erased from existence in the process.
>>153461498
if it wasn't for the recent art style change I would have thought this was a real inbetween from super
>>153465426
>Toei makes Gowasu senile
How?
>Toei screws up the power levels with Trunks
If Trunks survives against Black and Zamasu, it's fucked in the manga too
>Toei makes Zamasu look like he was right about ningen and Goku
Goku asking for the tournament is Toriyama
>Toei makes Frost evil
Also in the manga, therefore Toriyama
>>153465426
Enjoy your traced fan fiction, cuck.
>>153465585
Sure anon.
>>153460494
She is suppose to have nigger lips.
>>153465603
In the manga, Toei makes Frost a cheater, but the whole plot of him financing wars and reaping the benefit by looking like a hero is not there.
>>153465685
I like manga Frost, he is just a dick instead of another Frieza.
>>153465685
Yes we know the manga is not canon
>>153465739
>the manga is not canon
wat
>>153465754
Anime comes first, then the manga.
>>153465773
That would mean such nonsense as kaio ken x SSB is canon.
Which it clearly isn't because it fucks up the entire show.
>>153465773
are you retarded
>>153464583
I really liked how a major plot point in GT was how their overuse of the dragonballs came back to bite them in the ass. Such a shame they handled it so fucking poorly.
>>153465754
the manga is promotional material for the anime
Toriyama occasionally provides input in how panels should be framed (it's his area of expertise, after all) but the manga isn't more "canon" than the anime. Toriyama just gives a basic story outline and some character designs to toyotaro and toei and then fucks off and lets them do their own thing
>>153465804
>because it fucks up the show
Kek, no it doesn't you retard, bringing back SSG for no reason and then giving SSB a retarded limitation ruins it.
>>153465804
why do autists get so fucking triggered over SSB Kaioken?
Goku having to creatively combine his transformations just to keep up against an insurmountable foe is a lot more interesting than Hit being a fucking chump
>>153465821
No, that was retarded. The balls are literally made by a living cucumber. He controls them and would have warned them if anything bad could happen.
It was literally out of nowhere bullshit, much like the entirety of GT.
>>153465873
>then giving SSB a retarded limitation
you mean stamina? the same thing that has affected every ssj transformation to some extent or another? ssb doesn't even seem to wear as hard as ssj3 did back in its day.
>>153465656
>How?
In the anime, Gowasu is just some old dude who keeps telling Zamasu to shut up and give him tea. In the manga, he actually tries to convince Zamasu that the current system works and that the path to peace is best achieve through tolerance and forgiveness. Also the Babari actually prove that Gowasu was right and that Zamasu was clearly wrong about them.
>If Trunks survives against Black and Zamasu, it's fucked int he manga too.
Except it wouldn't. In the anime, Trunks jobs to Goku when he's at SSJ3 and then later is able to take on Zamasu and Rose Black. In the manga, Trunks is already reaching such levels when he spars with Goku that Goku feels the need to sneak in some god ki to beat him down. It's then later revealed that rather than being able to hold off Black, Black was just toying with him the entire time and using him to get free zenkai boosts. If Trunks survives against Black and Zamasu, there's at least better and more natural precedent for him doing so, whereas his power level jumps all over the place in the anime.
>Goku asking for the tournament is Toriyama
Even if that plot element is kept in the manga (we'll have to see), given his characterization in the manga and how it differs from the anime's characterization so dramatically, he will likely be made to look less selfish and irresponsible than he's appeared in the anime where he acts as though he's just spilled the milk and everyone is overreacting about it.
And considering that the whole entire plot element of Goku fighting Zamasu and THAT being the catalyst for Zamasu wanting to steal Goku's body and remove ningen is entirely absent in the manga, making Goku looking less like a filthy, adrenaline addicted Saiyan monkey, there's reason to doubt that the plot element of Goku reminding Zeno of the tournament will even be there at all.
>Also in the manga, therefore Toriyama
Frost is a cheater in the manga, but nothing is said about his starting wars.
>>153465657
Fuck off toeishill.
>>153465880
The problem is that filler introduced something too OP for canon and then had to add more filler just to even the odds.
Will Captain Ayy Lmao and his team be able to defeat the battle-crazed Son Goku and save their universe from annihilation of the power Zen-Oh?
Will the God of Destruction Bozo and his attendant Quinn, keep their word and promise to stop harassing the universe and its inhabitants ever again?
>>153465490
>They never occurred in Super's timeline
They never occurred in Z's timeline either, qt.
>>153461394
You do realize he was just letting the pupper kick him around. You can tell by that grin at the end of the last ep that he was thinking "now it's your turn to be the ball".
>>153465972
>too OP for canon
they made it clear that it was a risky power that took a huge toll on his body that he wouldn't have even been able to use extensively in a real battle, Hit LET him power up because he wanted to see how strong Goku could get
also stop letting power levels dictate the narrative you FUCKING AUTIST jesus christ you people are fucking cancer kys immediately
>>153465972
How the fuck is SSB KK filler, the anime is the canonical source for Super
"Filler" just means "something I dont like" now
The manga is an adaption of the anime
>>153466004
They literally did.
>>153466066
They're both different adaptations of Toriyama's outline.
>>153466006
Buu should have been able to stand up against Beerus to some extend in BoG
But he got One Hit KOed , he jobbed
>>153465951
>In the anime, Gowasu is just some old dude who keeps telling Zamasu to shut up and give him tea. In the manga, he actually tries to convince Zamasu that the current system works and that the path to peace is best achieve through tolerance and forgiveness. Also the Babari actually prove that Gowasu was right and that Zamasu was clearly wrong about them.
No, Gowasu does the exact same thing in the anime. Only difference is the anime proved him wrong, manga proved him right. The portrayal of the character is the same.
>>153466118
Yeah and the anime is the canon one, get over it or stop watching the anime.
>>153466062
>also stop letting power levels dictate the narrative you FUCKING AUTIST jesus christ you people are fucking cancer kys immediately
In any show, anime or not, if a character is way stronger one episode, then gets one shot by a weakling the next episode, the average viewer is going to raise an eyebrow. You don't have to be a powerlevel autist to see how silly some of these fluctuations are.
Freeza's four months of training, Trunks in general, etc.
>>153465884
Not him but:
>Bitching about "literally out of nowhere bullshit"
>Super Saiyan God comes out of nowhere
>Bosses of Kais come out of nowhere
Probably more but my care cup is running empty.
>>153466163
I'm not the anon you were taking to before, but you can consider canon whichever version you prefer. This canon autism is retarded.
>>153466203
>>Super Saiyan God comes out of nowhere
>literally built up since episode 1 of dragon ball
Come on son
>>153466128
cmon. it wasn't super buu or kid buu, it was fat buu
fat buu is dumb and gets hit a lot. that's essentially all he does, even when he's winning.
>>153466128
It's fat fucking Buu, he jobbed against an anorexic Buu.
Fat Buu has always been a jobber ever since he got split in half
So is this form just completely dead now?
Cause I like it more than super saiyan blue.
>>153466066
>The manga is an adaptation of the anime
Except the manga was AHEAD of the anime for some time and Toriyama and Toyotaro have both stated that they've wanted a situation more like the way it used to be where the anime team using the manga as the framework.
The problem is that Toei desperately wanted to cash in on the hype created by BoG and RoF that they rushed to start the series and didn't give Toriyama and Toyotaro enough time to complete the manga more fully and even when the manga was ahead of the anime, they still deviated from the manga.
Toriyama just gives the anime team his outline and has almost no clue how they're going to do it whereas with the manga, he actually proofreads and assists in its production directly. If the axis for what is or is not canon is Toriyama's creative vision, then the manga is a better representation of the "truth" and it shows in how the writing and plot is more focused and consistent, as would be expected from a product by a smaller team of people who actually know how to write Dragonball. The anime is just Toei deciding things by committee based on what they think fans want to see or what will ultimately make them money.
>>153466068
>Garlic jr.
>Turles
>Slug
>Cooler
>Broly
>Super Android
>Wojak unbound
>Janemba
Not canon, never happened in the the DBZ series.
>>153466237
lol super saiyan wasn't built up at all until Namek. Just SSJ1.
God rumors weren't around until fucking GT, which got fucking retconned.
>>153466279
>Fat Buu has always been a jobber ever since he got split in half
Watch how he wins against Basil and redeems himself
>>153466299
>and it shows in how the writing and plot is more focused and consistent
opinion
>>153466312
>wojak unbound
the feels
>>153466312
All of those literally happened.
>>153460058
best milf.
>>153461558
>Z Videl
It's like even Toei understands that they ruined her in Super.
>>153464908
>not Great Satanman
>>153466395
That short hair in combination with the granma clothes is indeed very horrible
>>153466378
lolno
The first Bardock and Trunk's special both happened, every other movie, from Garlic Jr to Broly to whatever is strictly non-canon.
>>153460229
>>153460614
>>153461558
>>153462126
>no Chichi
Top kek
>>153466343
>>153461008
>Goku promised Kid Buu he'd be much stronger the next time they met
>people act like the Uub fight can't be canon because Goku is much stronger than he was when they last met
>>153466312
Broly and Cooler MAYBE could be canon
Cooler takes place in the three years before Androids, Broly before the Cell games
The rest are impossible due to timeline contradictions though
>>153466431
prove it nerd, go ahead I will wait
>>153466378
>All of those literally happened
As standalone films .
>>153466431
>is strictly non-canon.
[citation need]
Toriyama said they were what ifs and called them side stories. That doesn't mean they aren't canon to the anime. Continuity =/= canon.
>>153466299
>Except the manga was AHEAD of the anime for some time
Yeah ahead for like 2 months on an arc that was already covered in movie form.
Fucking retard.
>>153466151
That's completely wrong.
Gowasu in the anime tells Zamasu that he thinks justice is balancing the forces of good and evil, essentially telling Zamasu to put aside his desire to rid the world of sin and accept sin as a constant fact of life.
Gowasu in the manga says something completely different. He tells Zamasu that every living creature has value, even an insect. He also tells Zamasu that the planets he thinks ningen violate and destroy are not their property, that is the kais and that even if a race of ningen like the Babari will cause chaos, that it is not the kais responsibility to pass judgment but the gods of destruction. Rather than challenging Zamasu's conception of justice or his desire to eliminate sin, Gowasu tries to convince Zamasu that his desires are best achieved under the current system and respecting his own role within that system. He also tells Zamasu not to see his great power as license for him to become a tyrannical deity, but a test for him. Gowasu actually makes fucking sense in the manga.
In the anime, Gowasu shows Zamasu the Babari in the present and the future and there is no change. Gowasu basically does nothing but prove Zamasu's beliefs right. In the manga, The Babari in a thousand years develop civilization and are beginning a path away from barbarism and violence: they've developed writing, music and a religious system with which they can end violence. Gowasu's decision to show Zamasu the Babari comes across as a much wiser decision. The only reason it doesn't affect Zamasu is because he's blinded by prejudice and his own vain sense of superiority that he chooses not to see what his teacher sees.
>>153466481
>Broly and Cooler MAYBE cou
IT NEVER HAPPENED.
>>153466522
>Continuity =/= canon.
Fucking this. People need to understand that just because it could've happened in another timeline(which it does), doesn't mean it's not canon.
>>153466481
Broly no, Bojack on the other hand could
>Goku is still dead
>Bojack appeared because the King Kai planet exploded when Cell came
>Vegeta doesn't want to fight because he said that after Cell died
>Gohan still had his SSJ2 when Goku told him and saw everyone suffering
>>153466066
>the anime is the canonical source for Super
LUL
>>153466581
>that it is not the kais responsibility to pass judgment but the gods of destruction. Ra
He says this in the anime as well.
>>153461552
Maybe he likes his men to sound like men?
Also. Dub Goku is a more likable character which is good because neither incarnation is deep.
>>153466581
Not him but then it makes literally no sense for Zamasu go to full Judge Dredd on them.
The point is he was suppose to truly believe intelligent beings are bound to engage in wars and destroy everything.
>>153466522
>zero (absolutely no) references to any non bardock/trunks movie
>most legitimately do not have a time frame where they COULD have even happened
If they don't fit in the continuity, that means there is no point where it could have happened. Which means it didn't happen, since it couldn't have happened. Which makes it non-canon.
So in this case, continuity=canon.
>>153466606
And in another canon you're a super saiyan with [insert waifu]. But my point is that the Goku and Vegeta we see on DBZ have never seen or heard of anyone named Cooler or Garlic Jr. etc etc etc.
>>153466062
>also stop letting power levels dictate the narrative you FUCKING AUTIST
Then stop fapping to "lel 10X stronger! xD" bullshit asspulls.
>>153466612
>Broly no, Bojack on the other han
It never happened.
Why is this a good idea again? This was the biggest fuck-up Goku made.
Yes, even worse then this universe-destroying tournament.
>>153466646
>Dub Goku is a more likable character
He won't be soon.
>>153466606
It literally means its canon you idiot. It's canon to the anime, which isn't canon to the actual dragon ball saga story.
>>153466615
The crucial difference is the point at which he says it. Gowasu tells Zamasu that in the anime when Zamasu suggests, before they've even visited Babari, that maybe they should just wipe out the Babari before they become a problem. Gowasu then takes Zamasu to Babari, where they confirm Zamasu's feelings, then takes him to Babari a thousand years in the future where they continue to confirm Zamasu's beliefs.
In the manga, Gowasu presents a full proof argument that takes into account all of Zamasu's possible objections after they've left Babari (where Gowasu's own beliefs about the potential of ningen are proven and Zamasu is proven wrong).
>when you pretend to be retarded for a couple of posts and call the non-canon side stories from the films canon
>and then everyone else in the thread starts arguing about it
Really makes my neurons start flowing.
>>153462086
Only some before they got together.
>>153466673
>>153466598
>>153466680
The fact that they never bring up people they fought before is pretty weak evidence that something is non-canon
Raditz has not been brought up by anyone since Saiyan saga but that doesnt mean they never fought him. Same for almost any bad guy in the original Dragonball
>Goku never brings up the time he fought General Blue so he must not be canon
>>153466673
>But my point is that the Goku and Vegeta we see on DBZ have never seen or heard of anyone named Cooler or Garlic Jr
Wrong. The Goku and Vegeta we see on DBZ have already fought Cooler at one point. Manga aside, this is anime. Movies came out, nothing states they aren't canon.
It doesn't matter that In one of the movies Vegeta is dead and in the main series he isn't, that doesn't make it non-canon, that just means it happens in a version of DBZ we're Vegeta was dead.
Continuity =/= canon.
>>153464583
>retconned anything at all out of existence
Alternate worlds, you fucking moron. It's not canon to Super because, surprise surprise, Toriyama didn't write those and it's a colossal pain to keep track of others work like that so it's better to sweep them aside.
>>153466565
The manga introduced Champ and Vados months before the anime since they didn't bother to introduce them like the manga early in the BoG arc.
It was also ahead up into the first half of the Champa arc.
>>153466763
>and Zamasu is proven wrong).
But that's the thing, Zamasu is suppose to be proven right in order to become a villain.
The manga is wrong.
18 and 17 are both relevant again?
Is this gonna be the actual coming of Golden Cell?
>>153466689
>>153466671
The problem is that from the point of the view of the narrative in the anime, there's almost nothing that proves Zamasu wrong when the entire point is the guy is supposed to be wrong.
In the manga, you at least get the sense that Zamasu is wrong in his opinions and that he's blatantly ignoring anything that doesn't confirm his preconceived worldview that stems less from evidence informing his conclusion and more from a conclusion rooted in his pride and fastidiousness informing the evidence.
We were never supposed to think Zamasu has a real reason to go Judge Dredd, we were supposed to see that Zamasu is allowing personal demons to cause him to turn evil and attempt to rationalize it based on his own narrow minded worldview.
Zamasu is a villain, not an antagonist with a good point to make while just happening to stand in the heroes way, his actions aren't supposed to make sense to anyone who has a firm moral compass and is not a sociopath or a narcissist.
>>153466299
>Toei desperately wanted to cash in
You mean FujiTV and Bandai. Toei is simply contracted to do the animation, they do what they're told, that's all there is to it.
>>153466785
Raditz hasn't been brought up because Toriyama doesn't want the audience to start questioning the morality of the heroes.
They literally murdered Goku's brother in cold blood by letting his 4 year old fight. Instead of capturing him and rehabilitate him.
>>153466817
>that just means it happens in a version of DBZ we're Vegeta was dead
And in THAT version, they've heard of cooler.
But back in the MAIN version that we watch week to week, they never met Cooler because that meeting constituted an impossibility within the continuity.
You can have all the alternate versions of Goku you want, anon. One that fought Broly instead of Cell, one that fused and formed Gogeta, etc. But at the end of the day we all return back to the Goku that doesn't have any memories of fighting [insert movie villain] because they never met because the movies (for the most part) happen in times that are impossible within the timeline, having to make certain absent/dead characters present, etc.
Saying "it happened in an alternate universe" doesn't change the fact that in the MAIN universe we follow weekly, the characters have never heard the names Cooler or Broly.
>>153466837
That's not how villains work
If a villain is right in his beliefs and actions, he's no longer a villain. He is then either a protagonist or an antagonist. But a villain is a character whom in the context of a particular story is considered wicked and not simply an obstruction to the protagonists' personal goals, but an obstruction to all characters goals which may be described as morally good within the context of that particular story and its guiding moral compass
>>153460527
I can't even put into words how much superior this is to the real thing.
>>153466837
If Zamasu was proven right he wouldn't be a villain. He'd be the martyr/savior/whatever he thought he was. He's a villain because his goals (destroying ningen) are morally wrong within the universe presented.
>>153467010
>O'Brien isn't a villain
>>153466989
Alternate universe aren't real.
It's like saying imagine if the Nazis won WW2.
It's irrelevant to the point of reality, it never happened, It isn't real, it isn't canon.
So saying movies happen elsewhere you are literally saying they don't exist.
>>153461255
>look ma i posted it again
>>153464441
>Do you think it should have been left at BoG/RoF?
another movie after ROF would had been pretty nice but only that.
Showing brah, perhaps the universe tournament too?
>>153466785
>The fac
It never happened because it's not part of the manga, it doesn't fit in continuity and it's never referenced.
And stop trying making it canon because it isn't, the only way that it somehow could be canon is if it happened in one of those parallel universes, still it never happened to the manga and anime Goku.
>>153466819
>>153466817
>Being this desperate to hold onto MUH BROLY and MUH SS4 that you grasp for some way to keep them canon
Just admit its fanfiction
>>153459933
If the situation behind the scene (planning, schedule, etc) is improving then we might get good stuff down the road considering they're the best guys Toei has to offer.
Nothing is sure so far, the last two episodes were polished thanks to CADs/2nd KAs but Kitano's art was rushed as fuck since his last episode was only 4 weeks ago.
So we're back to the retarded manga vs anime fights huh?
Ignoring this nonsense, how do you guys think the upcoming chapter will go? How will Trunks survive and what will Vegeta do when he realizes they abandoned Trunks?
>>153467052
Yes. Exactly. I am saying they essentially don't exist. They happened elsewhere, it's irrelevant to their reality of the show, in the same way of "what if the Nazis won" is irrelevant to our reality.
That is the relationship the movies have to the canon/continuity. They don't fit, they are neat "what ifs" to varying degrees, but essentially aren't real.
So why did people like Broly to begin with? He is all CARROTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. That is basically all his personality.
>>153467117
>So we're back to the retarded manga vs anime fights huh?
Looks like the bringing Frieza, Cell or any other villain theme was omited for a while
>>153467150
If I remember, in the first movie he could actually talk rather than just saying KAKAROT like in the other movies.
>>153467052
>Alternate universe aren't real.
[CN]
>So saying movies happen elsewhere you are literally saying they don't exist.
Movies are official material. Canon and continuity are two completely different things. And if Toriyama himself said that movie 2/3/6/8 was canon, that wouldn't mean they happened in the main timeline, it just means they are canon.
How does the Grand Priest know the other Zeno is from the future? Goku and gang never told them about their travels to the future, as Beerus said such statements may anger Zeno considering the prohibited nature of time travel.
>first place prize for bingo at Bulma's birthday is a wish from the dragon balls
There's no fucking way that any of the characters would be fine with just using the dragon balls on something so trivial. The main cast of all people should know that they need to be around in case of an emergency.
>>153467150
Big muscles, and his power is maximum.
>>153461558
she's literally 10/10, I don't think Dragon Ball as a franchise in general ever created another character as beautiful as this. It's sad as fuck that they made her like 10 times worse in super
>>153467174
>Movies are official material.
Nope. Toei isn't in charge of the Dragon Ball universe.
Reminder that the writers are so shit that they'll forget Gohan doesn't turn into a Super Saiyan anymore when he uses his full power.
>>153467187
The world is at peace you nigger, you can have fun now.
It's also a FUCK YOU to GT's plot. Fuck GT and fuck the retard that came up with it.
>>153467174
>And if Toriyama himself said that movie 2/3/6/8 was canon
But Toriyama didn't say that movies 2/3/6/8 were canon. Because they weren't.
The movies are as canon to DBZ as the Lego Batman movie is to the current Batman run of DC Comics.
>>153466989
>Saying "it happened in an alternate universe" doesn't change the fact that in the MAIN universe we follow weekly, the characters have never heard the names Cooler or Broly.
None of this makes it non-canon. Canon does not mean "fits into the timeline perfectly, drawn by toriyama, and worded by nozawa."
>>153467218
Tell that to GT. GT is an official sequel to DBZ. "DBZ" which is the anime, which is what we're talking about. You're trying to tell me that GT isn't canon to the anime?
>>153467179
He told him.
Zeno was fine with it because Goku lived up to his end of the bargain when he promised he'd bring him a friend.
>>153467260
The world was also at peace before Buu showed up and literally fucking destroyed it in a day.
>>153467150
He is strong and edgy
The perfect character for appealing to spics
>>153467242
>they'll forget Gohan
phew thank the lord of all
>>153467276
>GT is an official sequel to DBZ
Nope, that's Super.
GT is the unofficial sequel to DBZ. Which amounts to nothing.
>>153467276
Non Canon
The term non canon refers to two main things:
1. Anything that was not created by, not originally thought of by, or had very minimal involvement with Toriyama. (Unless otherwise specified)
2. Anything that is not in the manga.
The DB and DBZ movies and all of GT are examples of non canon. Although Toriyama helped a bit here and there on some of them, and even designed some of the characters (Broli for example), the original ideas for the movies were created by Toei, not by Toriyama. He had minimal involvement, and some of the movies he had zero involvement. Not only that, but the plots and settings of most of the movies contradict the series/manga timeline and events out right. The movies and GT do not have mangas.
Anime Filler in Dragonball and Dragonball Z is also non canon as most of it also either had minimal involvement from Toriyama, or none at all, and is not in the manga.
>>153467168
What are you talking about senpai? All i can remembered is he spewing KAKAROT 24/7
>>153467266
>Because they weren't.
[citation needed]
I haven't seen a single piece of evidence that proves the movies aren't canon to the anime.
>>153467294
What is with the association of Dragon Ball with Mexicans, anyway?
>>153467292
Yeah then Goku would IT to Namek and use their Dragonballs
they don't give a single fuck they can undo pretty much anything bad unless their whole universe is erased , which is why that needs to be the stakes now
Anything less than that is not a threat
>>153467294
What's wrong with that?
>>153467311
>GT is the unofficial sequel to DBZ.
Wrong. GT is the official sequel to the DBZ anime. Super fills the gaps in the anime and manga.
>>153467321
>The term non canon refers to two main things:
And you define this term, why? I can say only the original manga is canon. Why is your definition better than mine?
>>153467345
I don't think that anon said there's anything wrong with that
do you feel it is wrong? is that why you're asking?
>>153467335
Mexicans really like Z and GT for the fights and explosions
They hate Original DB and Super because its too light hearted and has comedy in it instead of constant fights
There can be no slice of life episodes inbetween arcs , no jokes , no nothing but fights constantly
Spics enjoy edgy fights and are the kind of fans who make Super Saiyan 100 fan characters with hair so long its like a river
Aka Mexicans are the most cancerous kind of DB fan
>>153467326
Piccolo told him he was a monster, and Broly told him he wasn't a monster, he was the devil
And some other quotes I don't remember,
>>153467150
>He is all CARROTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
By typing this you have proved you haven't seen the first Broly movie in Japanese.
>>153467404
>Wrong. GT is the official sequel to the DBZ anime. Super fills the gaps in the anime and manga.
Wrong. Super is the official sequel to DBZ. GT merely exists to fill the gaps between the end of DBZ and the creation of Super. Much like the goku and piccolo driving episode, it isn't real.
Filler is a tool to extend the period until the official material is ready to be released.
>>153467332
They had little to no input by Toriyama, the creator, and do not fit inside the timeline due to several continuity errors.
That's been said several times in this thread. I don't really know what else you need.
Why is the burden of proof on this side, anyway? Are all DB related videos/writings canon until proved otherwise? If I make some shitty AMV on Youtube, can that be canon too? Show me some evidence that the movies are canon besides "they exist," because that is a very low threshold to be considered official canon.
>>153467117
I think he will get his SSA or some other form.
>>153467404
Because words don't get to mean whatever you personally decide they do, sweetheart. That shit's for Tumblr.
>>153467471
>Much like the goku and piccolo driving episode
That's not a very good example considering that filler ep is based on Toriyama's chapter cover which was expanded upon.
I know cover art isn't "canon" to the main continuities but regardless it's not a good example.
>>153467419
But why do Mexicans love fights and explosions so much?
I actually like Broly supressed saiyan form rather than LSS
>>153466163
Source?
>>153467568
His ass.
>>153467540
cover art has never and will never mean anything.
>>153467471
>Super is the official sequel to DBZ.
As a show, and currently, yes. As the story? Super isn't the sequel, because it takes place before Z ends. GT is the sequel. The people who made Z and the same people who made GT, and it's their anime. Until Toei or Shuesha say that GT isn't canon, then it is canon, as it originally intended to be.
>>153467475
>They had little to no input by Toriyama,
Name one DBZ movie that had no input by Toriyama.
>and do not fit inside the timeline due to several continuity errors.
This does not determine canon. Trunks' timeline doesn't fit into the main one either, but his timeline is canon.
>>153467475
>Why is the burden of proof on this side, anyway
This is because the anime directors own the anime, they created the movies, and they created GT. So what evidence says the movies and GT aren't canon to the anime? As I'll remind you, continuity doesn't define canon.
>>153467564
Now that i think of it his hair in supressed is blue just like SSB isn't it?
>>153467685
no. that's his jewelry.
His hair is yellow in both SSJ and LSSJ forms.
>>153467649
>The people who made Z and the same people who made GT, and it's their anime.
Nope. It's Toriyama's anime.
If I draw a cartoon comic book series and then hire Cartoon Network to animate it for me. Is it my series or theirs?
>>153464512
>>153467727
I am talking about the supressed one. I am sure it is not yellow.
>>153467728
>It's Toriyama's anime.
Gonna need that link from Saiyan island or Kanzenshuu, buddy.
>Is it my series or theirs?
Unless they say you own the show(which isn't going to happen), then it's their show.
>>153467772
In Movie 8 it's blue because of his amulet and bracelets. In Movie 10 it's yellow because those shits broke.
>>153467451
New thread was already made faggot
>>153467406
>>153467406
>>153467406
>>153467774
Nope, that's not how it works buddy. Google how contractors work.
>>153462359
Nope. They're born from fruits.
>>153467332
>still in denial
>>153467276
GT isn't canon to the anime, just like super syanjin 4 transformation isn't canon.
>>153467294
>not liking someone that can take "one man destroys universes more than majin buu" goku and smug bastard vegeta down several pegs
>edgy
that would be vegeta
there is too much projection
>>153468281
No proof?
>>153468346
How is it a sequel to the anime of the if they now have SSB, Pilaf gang are kids, Shin isn't fused with Kibito, etc.?
>>153468346
Akira Toriyama and Dragon Ball Super are enough proof.
>>153468444
Canon and continuity aren't the same thing.
Think about Future Trunks. Trunks is not an only child who was trained by Gohan to fight androids, he's some 8 year old kid who plays with Goten., yet there is a version of Trunks who lived that exact life.
Just because it doesn't fit into the timeline doesn't mean it's not canon. Yes, it does not happen in the main timeline, but that doesn't make it not official; which is what canon means.
>>153468526
That's not proof. All you're saying is that GT and movies don't fit into the continuity of the manga. Literally has nothing to do with "canon."
>>153468603
not that guy, but thats a pretty weak argument.
>>153468603
F Trunks' world is actually stated to be another timeline in the story. GT isn't.
>>153468675
>GT isn't.
While true, that doesn't make it factual that GT isn't another timeline. Facts:
>Anime creators made the movies as side stories
>Anime creators made GT as the sequel
Sure, GT in another timeline can be called an assumption, however until we get official word that it isn't canon, there's nothing to state as such.
>>153468840
It's obvious just by how much they ignore GT's existence when writing Super and how they only ever use GT for video game shit. They won't say a word about it because they don't want to lose precious merchandise money.
>>153468840
>Anime creators
They regret GT, they hate GT, they loathe GT.