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Why does Anno hate waifufags but love fujoshis so much? Rebuild

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Why does Anno hate waifufags but love fujoshis so much?

Rebuild was the tipping point of that disparity.

""As for the previous Evangelion, many people took what I made as 'entertainment' and turned it into a 'target of dependence.' I wanted to take responsibility for those people becoming impudent. I wanted to bring the work back to the level of entertainment. However, I’ve started to pull back from that subject (criticizing 'escapist otaku.') Those kind of people don’t understand, no matter what you say. I finally realized there’s nothing you can do."
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>>153437762
Because pandering to fujos gives you more money
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He's full of himself.
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>>153437862
waifufags buy more merchandise.
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I don't think Anno hates either any more than he hates the other, I think that waifufags are just far more prevalent and tend to argue with each other more
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>>153437954
If he didn't hate waifufags then wouldn't have married a fujoshi and fucked over rebuild with gay piano romance. Anno is very biased.
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>>153437879
so he's a hack?
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>>153438125
I didn't mean that that anno doesn't hate waifufags, I meant that he hates fujoshis just as much, the dude generally just dislikes otaku culture that is based in cutting yourself off from reality completely and acting like the shit in "anime" is real. He does love other aspects of otaku and nerd culture passionately though.

And I'm going to call bullshit on what you said about the gay piano being increase to appeal to fujos, Kaworu and Shinji had the gay schtick in NGE as strong as they did in rebuilds, Kaworu just got more screen time in the rebuilds and thus more development.

To add onto that, Anno set out to develop the relationships of every character in the rebuilds and made them more "like-able", which is why in 2.0 Shinji and Rei had somewhat of a relationship, Asuka wasn't a cunt to Rei when it mattered(so Rei could have the party for Shinji and Gendo), and Gendo actually made an effort to be with his son
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>>153438693
Yes, Kaworu's character exists nothing but to please fujos. He even gets a whole feature film for himself where as he only was in one episode and in a few minutes in End of Evangelion.

Asuka is demoted to a minor role, all her relatable elements are gone. Misato is made into a cold hearted bitch. Rei is made even more robotic an inhuman.

The rebuilds are made to please fujoshis and to mock people who "waifu"
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inb4 autistic screeching from Reifags
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>>153438882
I'm an asukafag and I hate rebuilds. Having her turned into shallow yuribait is fucking insulting.
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>>153437762
Because you're a little bitch
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>>153438924
With that complaining, so are you.
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>>153438924
i'm sorry if i have taste and you don't.
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>>153438877
I understand that 3.0 is shit and has very little to redeem itself with, but I am tired of people bashing on the rebuilds, I still prefer NGE because of how fucked 3.0 is but 1.0 is literally and HD remake with better animation and 2.0 my only issues with 2.0 is that Asuka was put in the Eva instead of Toji and that scene in general felt like it lost umph from the orignal, and that the ending got a bit to close to feeling like it was trying to be Gurren Lagann than Evangelion, but over all unless you were expecting a straight HD remake 2.0 was a good movie.
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>>153439113
It would have been better if he decided to make a new tv series like Toriyama opted for in DBS. The think the big problem is that there is too many character, thus too many moving parts.

Obviously, some characters are going to get the short end of the stick. This time the female characters got this.
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>>153439255
>DBS

when I think of it... Asuka and Rei was treated with disrespect like Gohan in DB.
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>>153438634
Just conceited.
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>>153439255
Yeah I agree, The rebuilds have less than 6 hours all together where NGE had 26 eps about 20-23 mins long plus EoE, albeit some of those eps where just monster of the week type eps. The rebuilds just don't have enough time to full blown develop characters and seem to rely on NGE to give you the basis of their character. I think Anno just didn't want to do a series because Eva was made out of a really horrible time in his life and he just wasn't interested enough, He's even said he just didn't give a shit about 3.0 and didn't feel like making it which is why he added all those characters to pilot the ship and did nothing with them.

Hopefully now that he got a fun break with making shin gojira he can try to unfuck the rebuilds
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>>153437762
He just likes things that he isn't.
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>>153439384
>like Gohan in DB
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>>153437762
Anno hates himself, loves Devilman and can't get over his crush on Iku-chan
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>>153440198
That guy isn't even that handsome, for a gay anno has terrible taste in men.
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>>153437762

As many other progressive men, he's a giant closeted faggot.
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>>153440401
then there is also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJnVXQ9sec

pandering to gays and making them shallow counterparts without any depth has single handled ruined rebuilds.
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>>153440253
Ikuhara is extremely handsome you loser. Go google image him.
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>>153437762
Because his wife is a fujo.
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>>153441777
He's alright, but there is better looking men out there. The hair dye looks weird.

>>153441807
Is that a reason to sacrifice a well reknown franchise to appeal to that? Hardly.
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>>153440401
>Name
>fedora
>fujoshi bitches
>troll
>LMFAOO!
>lol
>blogging
holy fucking shit lurk 2 years before posting you useless piece of shit
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>>153442164
leave it to /a/ to live up to its namesake
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>>153439747
He can't. Rebuild 4 is the end. That's it. All he can do is feebly re-hash EoE and call it a day.

Hell, you might as well take Until you Come to Me as the canon ending, it's a pretty good preview for how it all comes to an end.

>Rei dies 5ever with even the hollow clone Rei Q collapsing
>This saves and restores the world because it was that offended at the existence of anyone named Rei
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>>153441023
>closeted

Isn't he bi?
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>>153441807
This. He is no longer one of us because he has an amazing legacy and a wife. You cant make something like EVA when the world is handed to you, its no surprise the rebuilds lack the heart of the original.

I'm happy for him and disappointed at the same time.
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>>153444873
Yeah, Anno said he's most likely bisexual in the JUNE interview.
Makes sense that he would make Shinji bi as well.
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>>153437762
Because he's a fudanshi. Anno likes to see cute boys kissing. Deal with it.
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>>153437762
Who doesn't hate them?
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>>153447074
Then he has no right to criticize waifufags, he should keep his mouth shut then. He's a fucking huge hypocrite.
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>>153449117
I'm sure he doesn't hate waifufags buying his merchandise and making him richer.
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>>153437762
>""As for the previous Evangelion, many people took what I made as 'entertainment' and turned it into a 'target of dependence.' I wanted to take responsibility for those people becoming impudent. I wanted to bring the work back to the level of entertainment. However, I’ve started to pull back from that subject (criticizing 'escapist otaku.') Those kind of people don’t understand, no matter what you say. I finally realized there’s nothing you can do."

But what if the opposite is true? Evangelion is a personal story that has mutated into entertainment and a source of porn. (I wrote port, a Misato slip instead of a Freudian one). I don't know a lot of people that want to listen about the Self, the real meaning of love, and reconciling with your parents for 13 hours, just for the sake of entertainment. If I did, I'd probably take that person to a very expensive dinner, someplace that has dim lights and Italian wine.

Also you have to understand where Anno is coming from. He married late and doesn't have any children of his own. So in a way he may see his fans as his children. He's disappoint that his fans are spending their youth fapping to 2d instead of finding someone. Same as his traditional, working class father was disappoint with him. There's probably a layer of self-loathing in it as well, Anno is too self-aware for his own good.
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>>153437762
Why do you care so much about what Anno says? People who pay attention to him are losers.
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>>153451989
because he's the creator and what he says go, we have every right to criticize his statements.
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>>153452145
People also have the right to cut their own legs off at the kneecaps.
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>>153452194
Getting defense are we?
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>>153452280
>attacks your weak argument
>get told I am being defensive

No, actually, it's you who is on the defence.
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>>153452420
<weakness

that's pretty funny since you didn't even try to dismantle it. your debating skills are pathetic.
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>>153452467
You can't type.
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>>153452486
Not an argument.
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>>153452508
Cause it's a fact.
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>>153452574
Go to bed, anno.
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>>153452607
Not anno. Not a daywalker.
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>>153452628
Then why are you so defensive about what people say about Anno's comments? Are you a Khara employee?
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>>153452644
Name one example of me being defensive about Anno's comments.
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>>153438877
>Yes, Kaworu's character exists nothing but to please fujos.
No. He exists to please Anno's dick. He was personally concerned to make him a character he would fall in love at first sight according to Higashide and his buddies.
If he was fujo pandering, it'll be more like the manga.
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>>153452628
>daywalker
How's high school working out for you, kid? Do you still pretend to understand Baudleaire and listen to Cradle of Filth ironically?
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>>153452797
You know, it's somewhat amusing, I listened to a cradle of filth song for the first time today. It was okay, it seriously, I am nocturnal. For example it's night, and I am awake.
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>As for the previous Evangelion, many people took what I made as 'entertainment' and turned it into a 'target of dependence.'

You quoted why he has no problems with Eva fujo and has a problem with Eva otaku. Because he thinks the fujo see is as entretainment as it was meant to be, rather than a target of dependence. If you weren't a newfag, you would know when the big tsunami came years ago, a mass group of Kaworu and Shinji fans organized a charity group to help the victims (donating doujin money, commissioning art sample for that cause, and Anno contributed to it). There was even a banner logo on the Khara website. Meanwhile, there was no visible action taken by the otaku waifufags. They could have done something but as a community they didn't manifest themselves which feeds the idea they are parasites who resort to escapism while fujo can socialize just fine and be members of the community, and their fetish doesn't stop them.

You know what the first thing Anno did when he reunited his VA in the anniversary of the tsunami was to make them watch the news and the reports of the catastrophe and asked a posed the dilemma Shinji is responsible for something like this. This made Megumi Ogata upset and nearly had a nervous breakdown (Akira Ishida had to calm her down and try to awkwardly cheer her up that she wasn't Shinji).

I think it also has to do with the otaku culture in Japan. The fujoshi are more social. They gather in groups, circles, love to attend to events and cafe (hence why the 'stronghold phenomena' is prevalent in their products). This doesn't mean there aren't rotten apples but my point is that they are less inclined to be introverts and locked up as otaku seem to be which is what Anno is concern about: the isolation.
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>>153437762
Because he was low key homosexual, like all depressed and insecure males.
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>>153452848
>resorts to moralfaggotry to explain why its okay for anno to single out fujoshits over other otaku
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>>153452822
I't okay, because I'm an eva pilot. It's day, and I'm wearing a bodysuit and questioning reality.
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>>153452967
Buttplugs aren't a suit.
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>>153452937
>greentext and memefaces but no argument

I'm giving you a context of why he shat on the otaku. Anno was deeply affected and impacted by the tsunami. He changed 3.0 because of the tsunami. This isn't even a shocking truth, we've known this for years. At least part of it. He gathered the VA to record the movie on the date of the anniversary and made them watch anniversary footage in the news, explaining the connection to the tsunami and what happened in Eva. In this bleak event, Anno saw a group of Evafags move to help people in need, and he joined them. He didn't see the same enthusiasm from the others. Eva has always been about shitting on those who isolated themselves and are unable to open up. It's no surprise he dedicated a movie to criticize them.
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>>153452848
>fujo can socialize just fine and be members of the community, and their fetish doesn't stop them
This part is ironic, right?
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>>153453051
>This part is ironic, right?
No, it's not. Look at your "favourite site" tumblr aka the home of fujos. They're generally average girls with social life that attend school/college and just like cute boys.
Ob the other hand otakus are usually virgin neets who spend 24/7 fapping to their 2D waifus.
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>>153453051
No, please inform yourself a bit more how the anime community works in Japan. Fujoshi absolutely love to meet up and hold random dumb conventions for their pairings/characters renting places, even for fun. While otaku prefer to shitpost in 2chan alone. When they go to an event or con, is for an idol seiyuu or for doujins exclusively. This isn't just about their general (key word: general) habits of socialization, but their shopping ones. The 'storefront' effect in fujo or women favored anime is because they prefer to go and buy their shit on their shop, which generally features an event related to their show they could meet fellow fans and chat about their series. Otaku oriented products never get this.
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>>153453027
Then he has no business, running a business. Evangelion is product, and the board of directors can fire his ass if they want. Its not a fucking charity.

As you can tell, 3.33 was shit for that very reason because he has his own head so far up his arse. Rebuilds are in Dragon Ball GT territory already, let's push it futher so he doesn't make anymore Evangelion stuff.

Keep putting gay shit in EVA, lets see how that pisses off the fans. I personally cannot wait to see 4.0 fail.
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>>153453098
Tumblr is western only, japan has mixi (which is similar only is connected to their cellphones) and no surprise, Kaworu devastates the "favorite Eva character" polls there in mixi.
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>>153453098
>going to tumblr

You just exposed yourself, go back to tumblr.
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>>153453229
You're dumb. I gave an example of western fujo community. This anon gave you an explanation on the jap fujo community >>153453185

Stop pretending to be a retard.
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>>153453211
Gay shit has always been part of Eva. They laughed at the idea of Asuka and Shinji as a couple in 1998 and affirmed Kaworu was Shinji's Orihime. This isn't new at all, by the way. Kaworu was always created as Shinji's love interest. All Asuka and Rei will have are harem-romcom oriented spinoff, but in main canon Shinji's love interest is always Kaworu (he dies because all love interests are meant to die in Eva).
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>>153453223
Except that Japan has a tiny population than my home country, so that doesn't count.

The west has more waifufags, so we win by default.
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>>153453251
Oh, is that why Kaworu was a minor character in NGE and wasn't even in episode 25-26? Try again.
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>>153453211
Surprise surprise he's the creator he doesn't owe you shit.
And even worse, you choose to not understand the message of the show and 20 years later shitpost on a vietnamese basket weaving site while avatarfagging as Asuka.
Isn't it sad?
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>>153453314
I understand the original message perfectly, you fujoshits don't. Anno is just old and senile.
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>>153453285
Try again what? He was officially declared Shinji's love interest, the person he first opened up, the one he taught him what love was in the first place, and yes, he dies. That's the fucking point. Misato lost Kaji so Shinji had to experience to fall in love and lose the one he lost. It's all explained by them, by the way. Misato and Shinji were always parallels of each others.

Did you honestly think Shinji have romantic feelings for the girls? He's sexually attracted but he doesn't feel romantic love toward a woman. Kaworu was designed for him to fall in love. Eva isn't a story about romance, anyway, so this isn't relevant.

>>153453264
Anno doesn't give a fuck about the west.
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>>153453264
Anno hates westerns.
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>>153453285
Shinji's mental collapse in episode 25-26 is about losing him and accepting his loss to attempt to become part of a world without him. Kaworu is the catalyst for Shinji to understand what real love feels and how it feels to open up to someone (but it hurt him). Without him, he couldn't advance or actually develop real bonds with people. Anno put and said all his relationships before Kaworu were superficial because Shinji never really opened up to them. If Kaworu had appeared earlier and stayed longer, we wouldn't have much of a plot.
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>>153453027
If everyone is okay with it, I would like to make a marxist post.

Everyone treats the otaku "epidemic" as a personal problem, as something that needs to be solved through psychotherapy or through changing one's lifestyle. However. The reason there is so many otaku in Japan and in the West is purely socioeconomic.
In Japan, only those that have good grades and good family connections can get a steady job in government service or a large corporation. Work is a privilege and not a right. Also males who have shitty jobs or are unemployed will get ignored by women for all the obvious and universal reasons. I've read several scientific papers on the subject and in a lot of cases shitting in is a reaction to social conditions. Psychopathology and compulsive behavior do exist, but a lot of these individuals are (or start off as) otherwise healthy and socially competent. Anime is a symptom, a way for these people to experience the anxieties and challenges of normal life, or to live through fantasies they can't experience otherwise in a socially acceptable way.
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>>153453363
Wrong, Shinji is incapable of loving himself. Re-watch episode 26 and EOE again.

Kaworu isn't even a good character and last for about 10 minutes.

>Anno doesn't give a fuck about the west.

That's ironic considering North Korea just shot a nuke in the Japan sea.
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>>153453285
Anno:
In the initial stages, he was a pretty boy who carried around a cat. The very first plot title was “The cat and the transfer student.” It was a story about transfer student carrying a cat coming to the school and so forth.
As we went on with it, in episode 24, it had already moved away from the school, so. It would have still have been good if it had come between episodes 11 and 16, though.
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>>153453441
He says repeatidly in intrumentality that he hates himself, but at the end he says "maybe someday I'll learn to love myself so I can love others"

I don't even think Anno knows his own story, he just puts stuff up because it looks cool.
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>>153453363
>Anno doesn't give a fuck about the west.
>>153453385
This. Anno despises the US, both in terms of US policy and cultural imperialism. Aside from himself, it's one of the few thing he truly hates.
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>>153453468
KAWORU IS SHINJI. This is important. Anno calls him "The Other Shinji." The part he would love. The part that we according to Freud and the other hacks Anno was following to based his psychobabble of we seek in other people to fall in love. That "ego ideal." Of course he fucking hated himself. He killed what he perceived was the 'better Shinji'. The one who should have lived.

Yes, he's his love interest in this but it answers to Anno's psychological symbolism. Anno explains this is the reason he couldn't make Kaworu a girl, for Shinji can only fall in love when he meets the ideal Shinji. That's Kaworu. So he had to be a boy. Or look like one. Even if Adam, who is Kaworu original self, isn't male. Adam is the mother of angels. He was coping with this after he killed him. Kaworu in EoE represents LOVE in his heart for a reason. He's the one who taught him what was. He just buried it with his self-hatred. A hatred toward the weak Shinji. Himself.
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>>153453509
Kaworu appears in EoE and says he represents the words I love you. It's what this anon says >>153453584 Shinji collapsed mentally after killing Kaworu because he couldn't process everything in general.

This is Eva. Rebuild is different. Rebuild Shinji doesn't need love, he needs hope.
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>>153453584
Except this is never references at all in the show.
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>>153453615
So I guess Rei is also part of Shinji too, or did you conviently forget that's she's hope in Shinji heart?
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>>153453468
The point of Kaworu is that he's Shinji, the Ideal One. The Other Shinji. This is driven to a point now in the EU Eva that Kaworu and Shinji used to be one being split apart.
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>>153453513
I guess this means Anno is a racist then.
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>>153453641
Not him, but Rei is Shinji's 'subconscious' or 'unconscious' part according to Anno. Yes, she's another part of Shinji too. All characters in Eva are meant to be parts or representations of Shinji's or rather Anno. "Except Mari", if you believe Anno.

>>153453619
Shinji says Kaworu is like him and like Rei in the end of episode 24. Hell, he's the one who says he should have been the one who lived boldly in the face of Misato, even if Kaworu living could have meant her death (cold, isn't he?). Anno explains in several interviews more about the character concept when he was asked why he's not a woamn (Kaworu name is unisex, an old version of Kaoru, used mostly by women) and Anno says it can't be because "he's another Shinji who appeared in the story". Then explains why he fell for Kaworu, because he was the idealized version of himself and his ego. Most fucking things in Eva are explained through interviews.
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>>153453651
Not in NGE, only one who'd be considered the same person is Asuka. This is actually showed several times in End of Evangelion.

Watch after Kaji and Misato have sex, and watch what follows after.
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>>153453667
Not really. He doesn't hate white people. He's a traditional, family-oriented Japanese who is against Western imperialism and globalised culture (or lack thereof). It's more obvious in Shin Godzilla than it is in Eva, since Eva is about a personal message rather than a political one.
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>>153453778
there is that gif of everyone having an image in Shinji, you know the one.
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>>153453854
So he'd like Trump then.
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>>153453845
Watch episode 24, he explicitly said Kaworu was like him and Ayanami.

Asuka is like him too, but she resembles the worst part of him, though. She's also got shit in common with Kaworu which I'm sure was purposeful to built sexual attraction but without the romance part.
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>>153453924
As living proof of all of his opinions, absolutely.
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>>153453615
To explain
In NGE, Shinji is a broken child thinking only about how "he" suffers, not the others
He then proceed to loose every person he cared for and mostly due to his mental breakdowns

And now, kaworu, aka angel called 'tabris". In hebrew - Angel of free will
kaworu absicaly shows Shinji that key to his happines lies in opening himself to others. He was happy to meet Kaworu, because he(kaworu) opened himself to Shinji. Shinji want to be like Kaworu, while kaworu shows him how Shinji would look like with opened heart
Death of Kaworu is like showing, that only thing that can kill "opened Shinji" is only himself - with mental breakdown, closed to everyone.
yes Shinji si a 14 years old child with mental issues, but most bad thing happens when he decides to runa way.
Fight with Zeruel. he ran away, came after Eva00 and 02 got heavy damage. Later that damage to eva00 makes Rei unable to fight off angel. She dies.
Seele attacks, Shinji doesnt give a fuck and another person, who cared for him the most, dies while trying to get help from him by piloting eva01.
Later he looses Asuka, because he decides to do something too late. Again eh looses another important person by dweeling only in his feelings, ignoring that he again hears Asuka wanting to get help in radio

In Rebuild Shinji practicaly doesnt break down. He mans up to save things he cares for. he rejcets being closed to others, but in return, he causes near 3rd impact
kaworu appears again and says one crucial thing "There's always hope, no matter how fucked up situations and how little hope is"
He's reminder before Kaworu dies, that he must combine open heart with hope. Instead, Shinji forgets and rewerts to himself from NGE - boy without hope, with mental breakdown

Also its my opinion, feel free to call me dumb on my interpretation
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>>153454040
Originally, Kaworu was meant to be Shinji's Kaji. You know the lost lenore so he can come to understand Misato's suffering. Misato's and Shinji's relationship was the focus of Eva. If anyone should be angry about being shafted are Misatofags. But Eva later turned (by the end) to be too focused on Shinji's own multiple issues, so Kaworu became more a personal figure rather than a parallel with Kaji. Shinji felt love for himself., but only his good side- the ideal he wanted to be and fell for (Kaworu). He reverted when he (the ugly he, and something he projected to Asuka too, because he perceived her just as himself, the bad part) was responsible for his death. He needed to learn to accept his bad part, but without learning to love and accept he could have a good one, this couldn't have happened. So there's Kaworu, love in his heart, and understanding, Rei who is his intuition and unconscious side, helping him along.

Rebuild as you said is different. It's kind of messy writing all around but I think the moral of the story of why Shinji caused an Impact and all went to shit was because he tried to mirror his father. If Kaworu is the ideal Shinji; Gendo is the Shadow Shinji (Anno said Gendo was his Shadow). Kaworu does appear to fulfill his role to give him hope: he's an outcast too, another impact trigger like Shinji (the whole 'they are one being split apart' which is being pushed a lot in the nu Eva universe is pretty pushed even by song lyrics). He has hope regardless, he accepts that lilin hate what he is and wants to save them, learn new things, open up. Shinji tries to move on and first it works but then he relapses specially after Fuyu's mindscrew. He falls into despair again. In his desperation, he triggers a new tragedy. He's just a kid, though. I don't think he deserves the torture to find someone he loves only to watch him die in a gruesome manner and mostly because of him.
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>>153453942
Well not just the sexual attraction but the fact they had similar pasts and pilot eva for the same thing, praise of others.
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>>153438693
>I meant that he hates fujoshis just as much,
And that's why he married one, right?
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>>153454342
The four pilots are meant to have things in common with each other, but Kaworu is explicitly the "other Shinji" according to Anno. He obviously didn't have the screentime to explore it in the episode because, as I said earlier, Kaworu's character would resolve a lot if he's stays around and is given freedom (NG2 scenario where he survives, for example, unlocks a 'good end' - His death fucked things up, despite his good intentions because it was Seele wanted it and he didn't realize it).

However, what I meant with "Kaworu and Asuka have traits in common" is reinforced by Death and Rebirth cords quarter were their instruments are the violin (Kaworu the first, Asuka the second). They have association with cats (Kaworu first was going to appear with a pet cat who was the actual angel, by the way, he just controlled Kaworu's body), foreign most popular exchange student with a fanclub (the original draft of his intro has him joining the school, element intact in the spinoffs and other lighter elements. He gets the same reaction Asuka does: immediately becomes the most popular guy with his own fanclub of besetten fangirls). He's from Germany branch too. Eva 2 pilot. Asuka and Kaworu are also deceptively extrovert (they aren't in a closer inspection) but sure looks like this in comparison to Shinji and Rei. They also seem to be confident and social, but they truly aren't as well.
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>>153437762
Because waifufags and fujoshits hate each other but also attract the most obnoxious fanbases. Whoever happens to be the most loud and annoying at any time will have their greatest enemy to purely out of spite.
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>>153454598
Why don't these people just fuck? They are all loud, introverted and hate humans.
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>>153453854
But you just said that Anno hates westerners, he's like the typical japanese person who hates whites.

Its pretty funny too, considering he puts Asuka in it. A european girl in it, gooks are so hypocrites. They only like our women.
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>>153450204
>this buthurt
Tell us something we don't know. Also, Asuka a shit.
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>>153445082
Can you share the quote?
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>>153455022
this is should be illegal to say something bad about someones waifu. trump said he'll pass an executive order on this soon.
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