Which of these two would you be willing to follow, Yang Wen-li

Yang, but only because of his personal history and reputation. Any other admiral that's not close to him would be a gamble, and the FPA on the whole has too many issues with corruption and incompetence.

But it really depends on what side of the conflict you grew up on, both governments are going to filter their news and keep contact limited, so you'd never really understand why fight.

>>153430934
Reinhard since FPA is garbage

>>153430934
you're about to invite a lot of /pol/lacks lurking in /a/

>>153430934

Reinhard, Yang had no charisma at all.

>>153430934

Reinhard because the FPA was falling apart anyway with how corrupt the officials were and Mein Fuhrer was a leader who was well respected by his generals which gave the empire side a pretty good morale and comradeship. There was none of that in the FPA.

>>153430934
Reinhard obviously. He won

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>>153430934

It would depend where I was born. Isn't that half the point of the series?

>>153430934
I would follow either of them senpai, they're both intellegent as fuck.

>>153430934
>make the same thread on two boards
>link to the other
But why? Anyway I'll pick the option that isn't part of a horribly paced, terribly animated, badly considered, homoerotic babby's first politics with terrible dialogue.

>>153432381
Name a better show.

>>153430934
Both. Either. They're the best mankind has to offer.

>>153432381
>homoerotic
You say this like it's a bad thing.

Neither. I can come up with a strategy better than A FUCKING SEMICIRCLE and will beat the shit out of both of them.

>>153430934
Reinhard has managed to get out of his sickbed and greet Julian in full galore almost rendering the kid monarchist in an instant

I'd follow him to Valhalla

I'd follow Reinhard wherever his path may lead him. Even if its a gay bar.

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>>153430934
Yang of course, because then I'd get to fight with foppery and whim

hail liberty bell
freedom for all men

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>logh
>mecha

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>>153433215

>>153430934
Reinhard, what I'm I gay.

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>>153434134
To be honest, it seems like any board but /a/ can enjoy a quality discussion of LOGH.

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>>153434456

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>>153430934
Yang because I'm not a fucking /pol/ack.

>>153430934
Reinhard. Following Yang would be more fun and enjoyable but he's not the type you die for outside of some humble death as a man who lived well. Reinhard is somebody I would follow into the depths of hell for something greater than yourself.

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>>153434712
reminder that the difference between the heroes of the empire and those of the FPA is that the heroes of the empire are fighting for reinhard, while those of the FPA are fighting for democracy.

So if there's anyone who's fighting for something greater than themselves, it's the FPA, and later the Democratic Republic of Iserlohn

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>>153430934
>take power long enough to fix problem.
>doesn't destroy democracy.

Yang, he's Space Cincinnatus!

>>153435217
it would've been so easy for Yang to seize control over the FPA and curbstomp the empire, but he chose not to because that's not how you breed democracy

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>>153432357
>It would depend where I was born. Isn't that half the point of the series?

There are options.

>>153435080
>fighting for democracy
Look at how democracy turned out for them. Reinhard saved the FPA by annexing them.

>>153435217
Except he never did that. And literally murdered the shit out of the people in the militairy who thought that was a good idea by the hundreds of thousands. He only ever acted unmandated when his civil rights were being violated for political convenience.

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>>153435857
Democracy isn't perfect, but at least it's better than the alternatives

You'll do it because it's the right thing to do

>>153430934
Since I'm probably not going to be able to change the outcome, I'd go with Reinhard just to be on the winning side.

>>153430934
Yang Wen-li is for drinking beers with and philosophizing while Reinhard is someone you'll die for.

>follow Yang and get buttfucked by corrupt politicians and bureaucrats and end up fighting a losing war against a genius autocrat that everybody loves
>follow Reinhard and round up and execute all the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats, wage a glorious conquest of space and enjoy universal support from the populace for spreading the noble rule of your gallant leader
man tough choice

>>153436275
Yang openly admitted Reinhard's governance was superior to that of the FPA's government. The issue he had was that the empire would only remain benevolent as long as somebody as benign and supremely competent as Reinhard sat the throne. In other words it's basically a cult of personality writ large, and once he's dead that same system he used to create a perfect state could be twisted and abused to create abject misery in a new despotic hegemony. Yang prefers democracy solely because he sees the rise of incompetent leaders and despots to be inevitable, and democracy is better at mitigating the damage they can do than autocracy.

>>153430934
Reinhard.

The uniforms look better.

>>153430934
I like Yang's outlook on life, his philosophy and his personality but on the other hand I'm not following some chinese guy so Reinhard it is.

>>153430934
Yang

>>153430934
I'd say Reinhard but the fucker died too early for his reign to amount to a significant portion of my life. Oberstein probably killed himself because he didn't want to see the dynasty fall to pieces.

>>153436604
Gaaaaay!

>>153435508
We never saw anyone defect from the FPA to the Empire.

>inb4 Trunicht
I mean people. Not human shaped garbage

>>153438845
but trunicht was unironically the best leader the FPA had over the entire show

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How do I go on with the series at this point? I'm seriously considering dropping it after this point.

How can Terraism be allowed to continue being a thing?

>>153438922
Watch Julian go ballistic, that's always enjoyable.

>>153438899
We never saw the president before he was elected did we?

>>153430934
Yang. It's laidback and comfy to work with him.

>>153439124
https://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Royal_Sanford

He's in this scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnFh-FLjSrY

Reinhard, Yang would be a cool guy to be a worker for but Reinhard encourages greatness in people and he's an inspiration to every man of valor so I'd be Lohengramm Empire every day.

>>153430934
Doesn't matter, you get fucked either way.

>Yang dies, fight for his boring adopted son and his sandwich making widow

>Reinhard dies, fight for his democracy-loving widow and spoiled brat son

>>153430934
If Yang would become a political leader, Yang.

Otherwise, Reinhard.

Either way, i will always follow Kircheis with my heart.

>>153438922
you wait and watch the upcoming series that's getting a revival/re-imagining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D7BLNzp8WM

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>>153441043
>tfw cgi space battles is all but confirmed since it's IG Productions
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>153441135
hey at least it won't be as bad as this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51LMOJu9lwc

>>153441168
>it won't be as bad this
>inb4 the new adaption has no classical music

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>>153430934
Reinhard, I have ever never seen a galactic conquer be this moe. Also I would not mind being drinking buddies with Mittenmeyer and Ruenthal. Yang would to be fun around too especially with Schenkopp, Attenborough and Cazellnu.

>>153430934
>choose to side with the emperor of the galaxy, Reinhard Von Lohengramm, who dismantled a corrupt empire, instituted a meritocratic fascism, and then conquered the rest of the galaxy.
>or a drunk admiral whose claims to fame include successfully retreating and successfully surrendering at the order of corrupt politicians.
Gee that's a hard one.

>>153441496
don't forget he left Jessica to die by not at least keeping tabs on her

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Who was in the wrong here?

>>153441764
Yang is honestly a case study in why feckless ideologues are useless pieces of trash. How many millions of people died and how many billions others are living under a dictatorship because he couldn't be assed to let a traitor die as he finished off Reinhard in the last battle of the first FPA Galactic Reich war.

>>153441931
>in the very first episode we hear that bodily injury can be fixed by medpods

Yet they still die by the dozens in the show?

>>153442059
I don't remember that. Are you thinking of the sleep-pods?

>>153442059
>dozens
millions*

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>>153434428
>just water
Would you prefer champagne?

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>>153442059
>don't worry bro, medpods will fix it

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reuenthal + mittermeyer > reinhard and kircheis

>>153442059
too bad medpods can't cure the spaceflu

>>153442817
it's just a fleshwound

>>153442858
pretty good edit

>>153442963
>edit

NANI?

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>>153442858
This is a fucking good opinion that I share

>>153443225
yeah. If you look at the sky to the upper left you can see where it's stirched. You can also see that the two buildings furthest to the left are copied and pasted from the two buildings just to the right of them. The building on the right has been mirrored and pasted again, and the sky background copied (a scratch is seen twice). The furthest building to the right is also a copy of one of the buildings off to the left.

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Reinhard.
If even as an anime character he can motivate me to be a better person, i bet he can do much more as a real person.
I'd die for the glory of mein Kaiser really.

>>153443899
That doesn't make it an edit, whoever made it was just being expedient.

>>153441234
orchestras are expensive. it'll be midi-synthesized by one audio-technician.

>>153444727
>expedient
that's not what that word means. It'd probably be better to call it a photoshop. Either way it's supposed to be an LD cover with a bunch of text

>>153444763
but it's not like LoGH had an actual orchestra they just played tracks of orchestras like the Dresden Philharmonic or the Leipzig Radio Symphony Orchestra

>>153444812
>You will never watch LoGH in a theater with live accompaniment

Why live?

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>>153444963
I never realized I wanted this, but now I know I won't ever get it.

>>153444963
>you will never watch LoGH for the first time again

just kill me senpai

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>>153442858
>>153443897
Reuenthal a shit, to be honest.
>muh pride, I can't apologize to muh Kaiser because muh honor
>but it's fine to send millions of soldiers to their painful deaths because muh ambition

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>>153445063
Oh anon

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>>153445070
He is a shit but he's a very compelling shit and his relationship with Mittermeyer is 10/10.

>>153445070
he was planning on rebelling anyways. He'd probably lose his position regardless of whether he apologized. He decided to go along with it

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>>153445070
Reuenthal is a badass who won't take no for an answer

Compared to that Rheinhard cuck who had to ask permission lol

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As a Napoleonboo, I would have to choose Rheinhard. Nothing gets me harder than an enlightened monarch/dictator who will put himself out on the front lines to fight for a resolute cause.

I feel like Rheinhard is heavily based on a lot of real life historical heroes. I find it incredibly sad that humans seem to be no longer capable of creating great men anymore who I would be willing to follow till the grave.

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>>153445387
Because a single man cannot win a war anymore. And western countries generally don't fight tooth-and-nail wars anymore because doing so would mean we'd have to open our stash of doomsday devices.
People with vision run enterprises or non-profits instead.

>>153430934
Reinhard.
Wen-li is a conservative in a failed state.

reinhard easily

fighting for the already decayed corpse of a "democracy" like the FPA is pure cuckoldry

everyone knows the gamble you take with a dictatorship but if you have someone like reinhard who is making shit kino as FUCK and uniting the galaxy ANNNNNNND being willing to implement constitutional changes to enshrine more freedom memes then there is literally only one rational option

even Bucock and Yang both said they'd rush to reinhards aid if they were born on his side of the galaxy

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>>153430934
>choosing anyone but reinhard

How can my Kaiser be this cute?

Any news on the 2017 remake?

>>153445560
t-t-thanks capitalism

>>153436553
>the cycle of civilization doesn't happen to democracies
The question is academic. The young healthy upstart state is always preferable to the tired old degenerate and corrupt state on it's way out.
Were the ascendancy of the liberal democracy and the autocracy reversed in LoGH's case then I would support the liberal democracy.

>>153445969
An anon said it isn't a remake, just adaptation of uncovered novel chapters

>>153438922
You man up and finish; Miracle Yang would want you to.

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>>153446033
As much as I would love to see LoGH get more exposure, as it richly deserves it, remaking what has already been done would be a disservice as it was done so well.

They would also be setting themselves up for failure, but that could even happen if they do indeed cover previously uncovered material.

CLANG

If they get anyone other than the original actors to reprise their roles, (Especially Horikawa as Reinhardt if he's in it) I won't care to watch it. yes I know about Yang's VA but they can get the guy that took over his roles in other media.

>>153438845
Luneburg defected from the empire to the FPA and then defected back to the empire.

FPA losed the reason to exist halfway trough.
The empire was mostly free and equal by then.

>>153430934
SEIG KAISER REINHARD

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What was her problem?

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>>153447140
Wrong pic, sorry.

>>153447140
>>153447178
You are driving this joke into the ground.

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>>153447598
I know.

All the good authentic screenshots have already been taken. My life is so empty, making shitty edits is all I have left.

FPA all fay every day until I die.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in this thread who has actually lived in an authoritarian state.

It's not fun.

>>153449114
>the FPA isn't authoritarian
Get a load of this guy.

>>153449310
The OP asked me who I wanted to follow. I'm following the idealistic democrat fighting for his and my ideals, not an autocrat fighting for himself.

>>153449431
Fighting for the FPA because of it's supposed ideals is like fighting for the Soviet Union because you agree with it's supposed ideals.
They're completely divorced in reality, and you're only lying to yourself about the inner party elite you're fighting for.

>>153449514
Except that life is pretty decent in the FPA. Sure, some members of the government are corrupt as fuck, but the citizens themselves lead free and fair lives.

Not really comparable to the CCCP.

>>153430934
Yang, but only until he betrays us all. Then I'd switch sides out of sheer butthurt.

>>153442858
I feel like the biggest problem with Kircheis is that he only exists to be Reinhard's BFF. He's an absurdly bland character otherwise.

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Even yang himself is a massive reinhardfag and willing to volunteer as his subordinate if he was born in the empire.

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>Not throwing authority to the wind and just being a Phezzanite

>>153449725
He exists to be perfection and to be cucked out of banging Annerose.

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>Oberstein lets 2 million die so that millions more could live
>"Wow, Oberstein, I hate you so much!"
>Reuental forces 3 million to die so that he could avoid having an awkward conversation with the Kaiser
>"Wow, Reuental, you're so noble and honorable and cool!"
Wew.

I don't want to say "Oberstein did nothing wrong", but he certainly did less wrong than Reuental.

>>153449431
>fighting for himself
Way to miss the point.
Reinhard was fighting to change the corrupted system. His father selling Annerose was a trigger that opened his eyes that the society is broken and corrupt and it motivates him to conquer the universe so he can fix the broken society afterward.

>>153430934
Depends on what side I am on, but Reinhard was a battle statesman. That is like asking would you rather have a military genius like Hanibal or someone like Napoleon who is also a military genius yet can govern.

>>153449873
Except he didn't force anybody. Remember how he was perfectly willing to let Knappstein and his fleet sit out? He would have done the same for anybody who didn't want to join him. They chose to follow him.

And he didn't rebel "so that he could avoid having an awkward conversation". That was just an excuse to do something he'd wanted to do for a long time. Or did you somehow miss the 70 or so eps of build up to this shit that repeatedly make that blatantly clear?

I'm not trying to say he did anything particularly right because he certainly did many things wrong and ultimately was a fuck up of a human being, but this post is a terrible critique and you should probably kill yourself. And stop making those awful edits while you're at it. They're not funny or clever.

>>153449677
>free and fair lives
They're routinely starving and in fear of the secret police.

>>153450622
The choices that Reuental gave his soldiers were basically "fight for me" or "be placed under arrest". That's why Knappstein was under arrest until he was convinced to fight. That's pretty much forcing them.

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>>153450768
The PKC is a Terraist conspiracy, not the secret police.

Are you getting mixed up with the Empire? They definitely feared the secret police (Department of Social Discipline) there.

>>153434687
>I like a shitty government because I get to pretend my vote counts

>>153450785
House arrest, not real arrest. He didn't round anybody up and put them in jail. It was any sort of punishment, it was just a cautionary measure. A thousand times preferable to going to die in battle for a cause you don't support, I suspect. I doubt he would have done anything to them even if he somehow managed to win.

>>153450835
>there's a layer of plausible deniability between Truniht and his boys so they aren't the secret police
And there are no Russians in Eastern Ukraine~

>>153450917
The PKC exists independently of Truniht. They just had a temporary alliance.

Remember, the PKC works for Terra, but Truniht works only for himself.

>>153450953
>works for Terra
In the absence of their dead snake head.

>>153450897
An arrest is still an arrest. He wasn't forcing his soldiers to "fight or die" at gunpoint or anything that drastic, but Reuental was still using force to coerce them.

We the viewers have access to Reuental's personal thoughts and the narrator's narration. We have knowledge that his soldiers don't have. So even though we know that Reuental wouldn't seriously punish his soldiers, the soldiers themselves don't know that.

>all these idiots following Reinhard

good job screwing over future generations when one of his descendants is inevitably a corrupt tyrant

FPA may be flawed, but democracy is objectively better

>>153451011
They do know because he announced that anybody who doesn't want to follow him doesn't have to. It wasn't a secret. Is it really that hard to believe that a man who, even after he had decidedly lost, still managed to inspire enough loyalty to ensure that well over half a million men followed him almost literally to his grave could have convinced an even larger number to follow him when the odds seemed significantly better?

>>153430934
Obviously the guy who won. What a dumb question.

>>153451091
I forget, when did he announce that?

The only general announcement I recall is that he wasn't rebelling against the Kaiser, just rebelling against Lang and Oberstein.

>>153451085
>Not overthrowing corrupt shiity defendant
>Thinking democracy won't just fail like last time
>Not knowing change is inevitable and that some autocracy would eventually win in the future instead

>>153451176
>>Not overthrowing corrupt shiity defendant
You and what army?

>>153451150
Fucked if I'm gonna go and look it up, but I'm pretty sure I remember the narrator saying something about it prior to the battle. If you want disregard the point because of that then I guess that's fine. Regardless, I don't think he most of his troops felt particularly forced into the whole thing any more than they felt forced into fighting for Reinhard.

>>153451085
Yang doesn't espouse the system for any practical reason. He's wholly philosophically motivated. He is a reckless ideologue.
I'm glad he's dead.

>>153451211
I'm going to go look for such an announcement now and I'll get back to you later.

Regardless, I enjoyed this conversation and I think that "kill yourself" was overly hostile and the wrong opener for you to take.

>>153451190
The army who hates him too. Or the general populace. Very unpopular autocrats have been killed before

>>153451214
>he thinks philosophy isn't practical

I am laffin

>>153451290
Well, I don't particularly care what you think, and I must once again insist that you kill yourself. Go to tumblr if you want a hugbox.

>arguing about which system is the best when the series concluded that both have flaws and strength
Maybe we should discuss which yugioh card is the strongest

>>153451318
In the history of the Galactic Empire, shitty Kaisers are the norm rather than an irregularity. The army doesn't have much luck with putting down """unpopular""" autocrats.

Reinhard obviously. Redpilled af

>>153451803
I thought polfags feel closer to the BG dinasty

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>>153451997

>>153452037
You mean a bunch of viciously reactionary kids don't feel close to the GB Dinasty?
Illogical

>>153451997
/pol/ack here.

The Goldenbaum dynasty was pretty shit aside from (arguably) its originator. Reinhard is still better than Rudolf by a light year and arguably the more fascist of the two (he's got the palingenesis down to a T). Yang is more redpilled in terms of knowing about historical trends, but Reinhard has the practical side of the redpill.

>>153452155
Advanced Autism

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>>153452175
Says the guy who can't even spell dynasty.

>>153452140
calling something reactionary is the literal opposite of an argument

>>153445993
The difference between autocracy and democracy is that democracy can be continually renewed through the will of the people, where as autocracy can do nothing but fall into corruption and degeneracy.

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>>153445387
>napoleon
>an enlightened monarch
He was a soldier through and through with barely any education. He couldn't hold his own in a salon, he hated them and the people who dwelt in it.

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>>153452219
Says the guy who lives his life based around imaginary color-coded pills.

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>>153452231
Or, as happened in the FPA, you breed an political class that's too focused on holding power and deceiving the people into letting them keep it to actually do anything of use.
Parasites like Trunicht and that shrew from the early episodes can only exist in a democracy. Meanwhile in an autocracy at least SOME of the people at the top will be leader-quality.

>>153452281
>He couldn't hold his own in a salon, he hated them and the people who dwelt in it.

Probably because they were literally /a/.

Exclusivity through obscurity, they invented tons of esoteric bullshit culture that you had to know to be accepted, and operated on seniority. The entire subculture was designed around the exclusion of outsiders, it's hardly surprising that outsiders hated it. To my point, have you ever heard anyone speak positively of 4chan, and not use the site frequently?

>>153452329
>Parasites like Trunicht and that shrew from the early episodes can only exist in a democracy.
Trunicht adapted to autocracy just fine. The GE had its own share of parasites too like Braunschweig and Flegel.

>Meanwhile in an autocracy at least SOME of the people at the top will be leader-quality.
When? Reinhard was the first in decades, maybe centuries.

In the FPA, "some" of the people at the top were good people too, like Lebello and Louis (go watch the famous High Council scene again to see them in action).

>>153452430
The Goldenbaum Dynasty's problem was that it was an aristocracy without quality control or external opposition. You were a noble because Rudolf thought your ancestors were cool guys, and there were no rival kingdoms waiting to pounce, just the FPA. That sort of situation gets you what we saw at the end of the dynasty, where nearly everyone involved was shit-tier and the people were desperate for someone like Reinhard to sweep it away.

It's a different kind of parasitism from what you saw in the end-stage FPA.

>>153452349
>Probably because they were literally /a/
Ahah yeah no. The salons that mattered didn't accept retards. Only well read people. While anyone can type on 4chan. Sure 4chan and /a/ in particular like to pride itself to be some kind of elitist place like we're all chosen, intelligent, nihilist ones (with a wicked sense of humor), but it's more of a façade and one of a kind lucky encounters that the truth.
Napoleon's lack of interests in salons isn't the only proof of his lack of litterary education anyways. There are many people who met him along his life and wrote about how unexpectedly boorish he was for a man of his caliber.

>>153452302
Being unable to understand basic, genuine memes of language and culture is a sign of autism.

It's a stupid little analogy/metaphor that gets your general case across.

Jumping to "basing your life around imaginary [insert]" from so shallow a thing is goofy anon.

Get your vitamin D levels checked.

>>153434687
>i'd rather be ruled by the mob than by the great monarch
Got you fampallerino

>>153452658
b-but what if there's a bad monarch later

>>153452664
This, but unironically.

>>153430934

Miracle Wang

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Neither.

Don't some of the battles have literally millions of people dying?

Neither of them win either, as the series is presenting the circular view of history with the empire eventually 'winning the war' but starting democratic reform which means the whole process is just starting again anyway.

Yang was right about wanting to keep out of it.

>>153452664
That's why you invent immortality dumbo. It's 20016!
>>153452672
Doesn't have to be a monarchy. Can be some sort of elective autocracy Heinlein style

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>>153430934
Yang, someone needs to keep the space jews away from him

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>>153447712
i like the autism-meme thou

>>153449873
The story of LoGH is purposely more critical of republican democracy than autocracy. Because of this, Reinhard never has to make any really hard decisions that would dirty his hand eg. uprising among the serfs. It's never shown in the show but the empire has billions of people living in extreme poverty.

>>153452714
The New Empire is closer to that than a true aristocracy, now that you mention it.
>If you can, come overthrow me
>A coward will never be the heir of the Lohengramm dynasty
I'm horribly butchering the actual quotes, but you get the point. It doesn't have to be Reinhard's grandson who succeeds to the throne after Alec.

>>153452714
>That's why you invent immortality dumbo. It's 20016!
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Kaiser Plagueis the Wise?

>>153452231
>i never go outside the post
The renewal literally doesn't happen. Career politicians just keep switching back and forth while pandering to the biggest voting group
At least with autocracy you have someone to blame for shit

>>153430934
Reinhardt, no question.

>>153450917
>there are no Russians in Eastern Ukraine
There are actually a bunch of them. They're just not official Russian soldiers who report to Putin.

>>153452802
>At least with autocracy you have someone to blame for shit
You mean other than the people. Because fuck responsibility right? Christianity exists for the same reason. Shits fucked? Must be God's will, I definitely didn't ruin this by being a fucktard.

>>153452859
shit summary and you should feel bad

>>153452875
You're so abrasive today.

>>153452869
>You mean other than the people.
The average person is really, really fucking stupid. Religion does exist for the same reason, because without a literal God telling them how they should behave they'll find their morality somewhere else and probably somewhere worse.

>>153452869
"""""the people""""" are responsible in a democracy, but you can't blame everyone for the fuckups and punish them, it's just not possible. Meanwhile the autocracy has one (1) dude that does the ruling and he assumes responsibility for his actions and can be blamed, something that an average voter can not do.
Also this >>153452898

>>153452898
Hobbes please go.

>>153452936
Sure, go ahead and blame the Kaiser for your problems.

But then see >>153450835. Oops, you died during "interrogation". Oh well.

Democratic rule was never about what is the best. It's a question of legitimacy. The ruled give consent to the rulers. Where does an autocrat get his legitimacy? Divine right? Hereditary rule? Right by conquest?

>>153452898
Yeah, because giving a stupid/weak person a bunch of millenia old principles and threatening them with eternal suffering if they can't follow them can't possibly end badly, right?

>>153452799
I've got a tl:dr, don't get how it's relevant though. In my mind an immortal ruler would be more like the player in Civilization
>>153452973
As opposed to dying from a heart attack for exposing touchy documents. Whoops.

>>153434134
/m/ is pretty much a SF board now. You see threads about Uchuu Senkan Yamato so LoGH also qualifies.

>>153451085
You're right, the chance that one of the future leaders is bad is way scarier than a system that promotes nepotism and corruption at all upper levels.

>>153452936
>"""""
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>>153445040
Damn.

>>153430934
Childhood is idolizing Reinhard.
Adulthood is realizing Yang makes more sense.

>>153453066
>Idealism that abandons pragmatism
>Growing up
Great joke, anon.

>>153453014
It's not a chance, it's a certainty.

"Nepotism and corruption at all upper levels" is the entire history of the non-Reinhard Galactic Empire.

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>>153444963
Well fuck you too man.

>>153452985
It really can't. If you reflect on what's going on it's Mullas butchering the Koran and the Popes doing doublethink back in whatever century. Shinto, Buddhists and Hindus are fine

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It doesn't matter as long as i can profit

>>153452961
In your heart, you know he's right.
>>153452985
No, you misunderstand. Literally just cloak whatever bullshit you want the population to believe in religious garb and it's ten times more likely that they'll eat it up. It worked for the Crusaders, it worked for Hitler and Roosevelt, it works for both the modern right and left, and it can work for you.

>>153452985
And yes, the "eternal hellfire" aspect is important for ensuring their compliance.
>>153453095
Buddhists and Hindus have hell and religious wars too. Not sure about Shinto.

>>153430934
Yang, since his side is so relaxed and fun. With Reinhard, you have to watch your every word, not to hurt his fragile ego, and get yelled at. And the admirals are a bore, since you have to act very professional, when talking with them. An there are no fun soilders like the FPA pilots and rosen ritters. His side is no fun at all.

>>153453092
Actually it's not, given that the people in power will mold the successors mind directly. "Democracy is failing, and his empire is succeeding, but maybe in the future the opposite will happen so let's go with democracy."

>traditionalist
>with Reinhard since the start
>only objection is (((constitutional))) moarchy
>obviously there to show history changes and even new systems start deterriorating form the start
I liked the show. Would've liked a bit more upbeat ending. With this, it's obvious the greatness will descend into a democracy within 200 years. Eh, a new emperor will be needed then.

>>153453153
Yet for some reason you don't hear about Hindus blowing up Buddhist temples.

>>153453095
That's only because Shinto Buddhism and Hinduism aren't exclusive. When you include divine exclusivity, monotheism, among the bunch of millenia old principle, then a bunch of die hard intolerant retards is what you get.
Luckily there are those who realize how close the three monotheisms are, but it's always the retard who doesn't understand this and/or whose faith is instrumentalized by politicians/preachers who'll create friction.

>>153453178
British India was literally partitioned because Hindus and Muslims would not stop killing each other.

>>153453195
The political structure shown in the Republic is awful though.

>>153453169
You'd need a new emperor anyway. The Lohengramm dynasty isn't full NRx aristocracy like the Goldenbaums were, so it's likely that some admiral will depose the emperor when one turns out to be shit.

>>153453196
I don't see how Hindus are the problem there
>>153453184
What i'm getting at is that the problem is smart people with ill intentions "correcting" the initial messages to suit their wants, not monotheism or intolerant principles. There's even Buddhist monotheism afaik, something that Buddha is rolling in his grave over i imagine

>>153453113
I know it works, I'm just saying I don't think people would be worse off without a religion. Tradition and education is probably enough of a structure.

>>153453231
>NRx aristocracy
Absolutely disgusting. NRx is the last scream of straight faced anglo elitism. Modernist gnon degenerates pls go. We need to go actual traditionalist.

>>153453270
>Modernist gnon degenerates pls go. We need to go actual traditionalist.
>implying you can turn the clock back on modernity

>>153453255
>I don't see how Hindus are the problem there
Because you a) have a dislike of Christianity and have extended it to the other Abrahamic religions and b) don't know anything about Eastern religion.

Can there be a system where a group of men are trained from birth to be the new rulers. And when the old guy dies, they pick the most qualified of the the bunch to be the new leader? No shitheads like turnith winning through elections and no incompetent dynasties like the goldenbaums?

>>153453292
Muslims kill everyone is all i'm saying

>>153453304
Who watches the teachers?

>>153453270
this >>153453277. Fascism or something like it is the only way forward if you're a fan of autocracy.

>>153453362
>have Asperger Syndrome
Robots please go

>>153453295
But you're contradicting yourself

How can the workers be entitled to what they produce as they see fit if you are prioritizing who gets what and how much?

The system in the Republic was never meant to be a viable system and shouldn't be modeled after.

>>153453268
You'd think, but we've seen how morality degenerates when there's not a god to enforce it.

>>153453255
>What i'm getting at is that the problem is smart people with ill intentions "correcting" the initial messages to suit their wants
Reinterpretation of the texts is bound to happen anyways. The initial message is not necessarily good too, often reinterpretation helps mellowing out things. Though it's true that more often than not it just divide people further among sects and religious movements.
For me the problem is that there is a message people consider holy and worth dying for in the first place.

>>153453304
You can't get rid of incompetent systems. There is no perfect systems. They're all vulnerable to human whims and corruption. You're never going to get the idealistic utopia you're searching for.

>>153453277
Traditionalism is a way of looking at world. Going back to traditionalism means digging up myths, narratives and stories which underpin the world view. Modern "right wing" ones are not enough. It also means being active in your community.

Going full techno-fetishist and atheist is just another face of the problem. Not like Moldbug ever was a traditionalist. NRx was rotten from the start. Land just finished killing it.

>>153453331
Fascism is modernist trash. Populism is a big no. Focus on military and outward displays of nation's strength is a wrong precedent. Fascist aestetics are poor compared to olden Europe.
Not a solution, another modern sickness.

>>153453370
I'm not a robot, I just have robotic eyes.

>>153453404
Morality degenerates because dumbasses have nothing to do so they turn to degeneracy. Coincidentally when you are so well off that you have nothing do do, you don't need god anymore.

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>>153453418
>Fascist aestetics are poor compared to olden Europe.
You take that back right now mister communist

>>153453418
>Fascist aesthetics are poor compared to olden Europe.
I'll have to disagree with you there.

On another level, fascism is syncretic. There are places where modernism undeniably excels, and places where traditional values should have been left alone. Rather than try to turn back the clock, it's better to look to the future. That doesn't mean you have to be a rootless, deracinated consumer with no past like what straight, uncut modernism makes you into.

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>>153453496
I agree with this Duce desu.

>>153453418
The whole point though is you can't go back. You can't reverse modernity. The whole system we currently have is completely incompatible with traditionalism.

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>>153430934
Yang Wen-li since good tea can only be enjoyed if we stay alive.

>>153453404
>how morality degenerates
The very way you formulate this is very telling. Ultimately this is just a feeling you have, there is no barometer of morality. As for what you call morality, at the end of the day it's just a bunch of random and arbitrary values you were taught. You're free to follow them, but why impose them on others? Personally I think the only value we need is the law of reciprocity.
Moreover, do you really think the world is so lacking in threats that you'd need the threat of eternal hellfire to make people behave? When you're a jerk, people and the world will be jerks to you. Reciprocity.

>>153453304
No, they should pick the new leader, like they pick the town major in the village I'm from. When the old major kicks the bucket, all of the men gather on the town square, and start beating eachother up. The last guy left standing is the new major.

>>153453643
Now try explaining that to the least intelligent person you know.

>>153452859
>strategist
Yang is a better tactician not strategist dumbass.
He lost because Reinhard is a better strategist. Heck even in spiral labyrinth yang's battle strategy score is below average compared to his tactical score.

>>153453643
>You're free to follow them, but why impose them on others?
Not him but when everyone has different definitions of morale life becomes difficult and dangerous

>>153453493
>>153453496
>le olden Yurope aestetics are communism and brutalism
No. You're misunderstanding. Fascist architecture doesn't hold a candle to gothic, rennaissance, baroque or neoclassical. In fact, in quite a few places fascism looked at all of those as a remnants of decadent monarchy. For example, in fascist Croatia they were planning to demolish Austro-Hungarian-like main square and replace it with brutish sleek new style. Things as these reveal fascism to be just as nu-political and ideology driven as communism and liberalism. We just didn't have time to see it fail within a generation or two.

>>153453557
Traditionalism isn't nostalgia. It's a healthy outlook on the world. Notice I didn't say anything about going back anywhere. You're projecting your own meaning onto my words.

>whole system we currently have is completely incompatible
Which is why it'll fail and be replaced by an even more populist system which may seek to reaffirm some morality. But just like neo stoicism in late Rome, it'll fail and things will eventually end. I estimate 150 years.
The important thing is to create a traditionalist like memeplex in concordance with religion and (most) old tradition which will shield future generation of your family and potentially friends from degrading during this time. Going into active politics right now is canibalism that won't end well even if you're a new "great leader".

>>153453674
Or, in the man's own words, nasty, brutish and short.
B-but muh individualism.

>>153453688
I still love fascist style more than le olden Europe to be honest. It's pretty and functional at the same time as opposed to just pretty classics

>>153453660
I don't need to, even the stupidest dog will stop tugging at a leash if it hurts them.
We just need to decide which leashes are necessary and which aren't. And in my opinion there are quite a bunch that aren't.

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>>153453729
You absolutely need a reality check m8. Dumb people are the ones that don't question morality or traditions and will bash yer hed in swer on me mum

>>153453768
I don't get how you argument contradicts mine.

>>153453768
Exactly. They take the morality they're given as children and stick with it. The best way to instill morality to a child is through regular application of brainwashing.
Either they'll get it from the electric Jew or they'll get it at Sunday school.

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Why do certain episodes look markedly different (and usually worse) than the rest? Like here.

>>153432547
Why, so you can broaden your horizons, babbymang?
>>>/r/

>>153453824
Leash will never start hurting is what i mean

>>153453870
The leash is supposed to hurt, that way the dog stops barking.

>>153453853
they remade some scenes in the BDs

>>153450895
>I like a shitty government that doesn't listen to me at all because I like to think I'd be able to rise to the top of it

>>153453881
Do you thing dog owners choke their dogs so they don't bark or something? They just tug the leash so the dog feels it, or even better, say something so that dog understands to shut up.
t. dog owner

>>153453688
What do you associate with traditionalism? how can you enjoy anime, isn't it completely antithetical to a traditional worldview?

>>153453870
If so then maybe your judiciary system needs a check.

>>153453916
But you get the point. Without the leash your dog could potentially fuck off and get run over by a car if it felt like it. Without a state religion the low-tier people in society are more likely to do stupid shit.

>>153453914
>My opinion has worth, so all the morons around me deserve a voice too

>>153453962
Friendly fire m8

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>>153430934
Both of them have their merits, and it would depend on the setting.
If it were during the first half of the series, Reinhard, since he represented a dramatic shift in society for the better. But by the latter half, Yang's fight for democratic survival makes sense. That's because Yang understood his limitations, and that he never intended to fight for democratic supremacy (El Facil would have become autonomous). He just intended to preserve a tinge of personal freedom in the face of autocracy.

It really doesn't matter who you would follow, though, because by the end of the series Humanity is united, and peace is achieved. Yea, Humanity is unified under autocracy, but it's an enlightened autocracy with Heinessen (a major political win by the way and majorly influential in how the Empire will end up later) still upholding democracy.

>>153453304
Royals tend to try educate their children on how to be a good ruler, and they try to hire the best. You're asking why they don't teach the kids in groups of 30-50 or so, and the best answer is "I want my kid on the throne, not someone else's"

>>153435508

Merkatz's loyaly never changed. His loyalty was to the Goldenbaum Dynasty and that alone, and with it being dethroned he joined up with the enemy of those who destroyed it.

>>153454119
>Royals tend to try educate their children on how to be a good ruler, and they try to hire the best
Nigger what kind of alternate history do you live in, all royals have ever done is enrich themselves. Fap to expanding borders all you like, but wars abroad have never improved the life of the common folk.

>>153454182
>all royals have ever done is enrich themselves
You are wrong.

>>153453974
Literally "everyone is so stupid, everyone but me", only of course the next King isn't going to be stupid either because that's not a common historical occurrence.

>>153453918
A fixed morality system, in my case Catholic faith with Aquinas and Stoicism as main underpinnings not directly a doctrine.
Since I'm not American, embracing the traditions and character of my people.
A historical myth (easiest examples being Manifest Destiny for US or Liberté, égalité, fraternité for modern France - but less modernist) and a reinterpretation of history that fits neither media nor fascists.
Apreciation for historical art and looking for same qualities today when vast majority of art is not worthy. So it doesn't seem like everything stopped by the 20th century because it hasn't, it's just not recognised.
Good work ethic. Not the protestant one, that one is too materialistic and too work orientated. But an ethic also regarding spare time, such as going hiking once a week or month and a good handling of all other hobbies - which are also work; but the work you enjoy doing.
Also a heavy does of pragmatism. Bible throwing on degenerates is not an answer. Especially not today. The key is to seem like any other liberal by the way you interact with people until they learn of your beliefs. Traditionalism does not equal frowny face.

>how can you enjoy anime
Because anime is the most traditional of moving picture mediums.
Anime of the season is definitely Rakugo, which hits me hard with its themes of tradition rather dying than changing and a need to continue it.
Little Witch Academia is cute. Why shouldn't I watch it? Because it has witches? Please, nothing in it is evil and Japanese don't get European myths. It's ok.
Last anime I bought is a BD of is Shinsekai Yori. A brilliant traditional tale. And when you have fake outrage such as "ewww they kissed", it's missing the point and reacting in a populist way.
Sure anime also has Seikon no Qwaser, but I'm not a prude who hasn't seen much worse. A lot of our parents were more liberal than we are and we experienced degeneracy ourselves in the past.
Also anime girls are pure unlike tv feminists.

>>153454222
Nigger no. I'm not particularly smart, and I'm certainly not smart enough to run a country.
And yet many people still infinitely less smart than either of us. You really want to give them the vote?

>>153454264
Every single one of them above a certain age. Why? Because it works infinitely better than any dictatorship ever has.

>>153453650
Where the fuck are you from?

>>153454222
Do you understand how stupid the average person is? Like, really stupid. Even stupider than you imagine. I'm not a genius by any stretch but i'm smart enough to realize that idiots shouldn't be the ones that decide the fate of a country

>>153454278
>Because it works infinitely better than any dictatorship ever has.
But it doesn't. At their best, democracy is worse than dictatorship, and at their worst, democracy just produces a different but still extraordinarily shit kind of dysfunction.

I think you've bought into the "democracy is an intrinsic good" meme.

>>153454278
BUT IT DOESN'T.

>>153454312
But anon, don't you see. It's vitally important to give the left side of the bell curve voting rights. Think of the thoughtful, very useful opinions we might miss out on otherwise!

>>153452714
>Can be some sort of elective autocracy Heinlein style

People love to bring up the Starship Troopers model, but actually READING the book makes it show that it's based in "good on paper" shit. The book did preach a "military democracy" (a completely nonsensical contradiction in terms, given that every military throughout history has operated through a hierarchical structure and not through popular vote) that utilized corporal punishment for crimes, and capital punishment (not just for murder but other major violent crimes) even with insane persons; the given rationale for the society was that "it works," using only the fictitious evidence of the book itself, while scorning all 20th century conventions as "primitive myths" which were naturally proven wrong by "advanced scientific proofs" of Heinlein's Suetopian future-world.

>>153454312
I understand that you're an edgy contrarian who in one post says "I'm not saying everyone is more stupid than me", and in the next post goes on to say "do you understand how completely idiotic the average person is and I know much better than them".
>>153454337
How the hell doesn't it? What imaginary dictatorships are you basing your opinion on? Boohoo, you have to see a bunch of stupid complaints on tumblr, everything would be better if we let one family decide everything ever.

>>153454401
You're talking to different people. Get off 4chan and go drink tea, Yang.

>>153454278
I mean, the whole point of LotGH was to showcase how democracy isn't inherently always functional.

>>153452764
>The story of LoGH is purposely more critical of republican democracy than autocracy.

Because everyone already knows autocracy's flaws, you don't really need to point them out. But democracy is something people other than monarchists don't like to criticize (unless their team just lost the election).

>>153454399
I think the point of Starship Troopers was the sacrifice thing, which i completely approve. Army just makes a nice example

>>153454430
What does that have to do with anything I said?

>>153454446
>But democracy is something people other than monarchists don't like to criticize

You can find plenty of critiques of democracy. It has literally been criticized since the very start of political philosophy.

>>153453557
>he whole point though is you can't go back. You can't reverse modernity.

Well you CAN, but it basically requires a nuclear war putting us back into a pre-industrial state.

>>153454482
It doesn't, other than that you took two separate posts by different people as posts by the same person.
The critical flaw of democracy isn't hard to realize, and more than one person can see it.

>>153454514

Yeah but we don't get many people saying we should get rid of it.

>>153454526
Nowhere did I imply they were the same person, and I'm still waiting for those sick examples of rad dictatorships.

>>153454401
>do you understand how completely idiotic the average person is and I know much better than them
When you put it like that it sounds wrong. But, ironically, it's exactly what you're doing right now.
>look at me i'm so smrt explaining these idiots about the merit of democracy
We can go on like this for a while
>What imaginary dictatorships are you basing your opinion on?
Literally every election i've followed so far is just pandering to the masses with buzzwords and promises of good shit that sometimes even a child could see through I'll tell you all about the UFOs guys! Vote for me!. Sell to me how the age limit is benefiting anyone in any way.

>>153454473

If that was all the novel said it would be fine, but in the book's view the ideal world is basically a worldwide junta.

>>153454549
>I understand that you're an edgy contrarian who in one post says "I'm not saying everyone is more stupid than me", and in the next post goes on to say "do you understand how completely idiotic the average person is and I know much better than them".
Two separate individuals.
>I'm still waiting for those sick examples of rad dictatorships.
I like Franco. Or the Nationalists after they fled to Taiwan.

>>153454549
I just want to clarify: essentially you're dismissing autocracy because of your belief in that democracy works inherently better than autocracy?

>>153454558
I mean, it's explained pretty well why that happened

>>153454579
More likely he has the belief that whatever democracy produces is inherently better than whatever autocracy produces because "muh people's will."

>>153454549
Also, those two statements are completely noncontradictory even if they came out of the same mouth.
It's entirely possible to realize how dumb most people are and yet not believe that you are the pinnacle of human intellect. Fascinating, but true.

>>153454473
Wasn't it about nazi/American mentality?

>>153454593

Yeah but it's still not a good system. Also, the book also opens with guys in mech suits murdering innocent aliens and throwing nuclear weapons to genocide the civilian populace. So, for those who think Verheoven misinterpreted the book and that he just wrote it off as fascist, not really, it kinda is.

>>153454645
I don't remember. It was something about American mentality after the Korean war and how butthurt Heinlein was about it.

>>153454433
The whole point of LoGH was an examination of history/historiography. That's where the main interests of the author lies.

>>153454572
>I like Chiang Kai-shek
Every opinion ever discarded, the Chinese nationalists were such a giant failure they were the sole reason the Japanese and Communists both had any success. Nothing but incompetence and corruption at every instance. Fucking please.
>>153454631
How is it an issue whether I replied to two people saying the same thing, or to one person saying that one thing?

>wanting to be a starving serf

Feudalism sure is great

>>153454601
What products of autocracy are you talking about, anon? Examples. What glorious times are you reminiscing about?

>>153454705

It was an argument against recent bans on nuclear testing and usage.

>>153454720
>modern Taiwan is a failure
ok

>>153454701
>innocent
>aliens
Pick one kiddo
But really, no one genocides anyone, controlled violence and all that. Is USA fascist for napalm bombing Vietnam?
>inb4 yes

>>153454752
>Is USA fascist for napalm bombing Vietnam?

Well not when we did it to actual soldiers, but we killed over a million civilians in that war basically because we could.

>>153454752
>Is USA fascist for napalm bombing Vietnam?

No, that's just imperalism

>>153454749
Modern Taiwan is a democracy you dense fuck, and I see neither four decades of martial law nor the White Terror as something to strive for.

>>153454804
>oh no an autocratic government acted autocratic
>the empire is just persecuting the poor terraists

>>153454787
So yes or no? War is war m8, i would rather level a town with everyone in it than to lose a division in the fighting desu

>>153454816
And modern Taiwan being democratic? What's your educated, well-considered pro-autocratic response to that?

For whatever reason, a whole lot of sci-different writers think fascism and monarchism is a good idea. You can't say the evidence isn't there, Poul Anderson is one of many who was totally into that shit.

Hell the guy who wrote Neuromancer, creating the cyberpunk genre, wrote his thesis on how much it occurs in science fiction.

>>153454820
>X word is X word
That's a smart response, anon. I though "X word" equaled "Y word".

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>>153454742
Arguably picrelated. The effectiveness x autocracy ratio doesn't go higher than this

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>>153454601
It's like, I can understand the bias. I would deplore living under an autocracy. But to dismiss the functionality based on that bias seems extreme. Since one form or another of autocracy has been practiced since recorded history. In some cases it still functions.

It clearly functions, and whatever preference shouldn't negate that. That's not labeling something good or bad, however.

>>153454820

Acting in such a manner isn't going to get you any favors in the international community. It's true that some civilian casualties are unavoidable in war, but most societies frown on the deliberate targeting of then when they aren't even aiding the enemy.

>>153454804
Or, shit, Singapore, now that I'm on the subject of Asian autocracies.
>>153454830
Only happened because Uncle Sam put the pressure on, and only after building up the country to the point that it could withstand the ravages of democracy.

>>153454887
Singapore is literally a single city though, and what does "ravages of democracy" even mean, assuming it's anything beyond a slogan?

>>153454969
>Singapore is literally a single city though
And it has a GDP higher than most actual countries.
>what does "ravages of democracy" even mean
All the unpleasant things that come along with democracy. Politicians pandering to the people, paralysis and indecision because winning the vote is always a concern, advocacy groups tugging the government this way and that. You know what's shit about democracy, I don't need to explain that to you.

Ultimately it doesn't matter anymore to a case for autocracy than the transition of Francoist Spain to democracy does, but since Spain got significantly worse after Franco died I can see why you avoided that subject.

>>153430934
Ranking the smartest characters
Yang > Hilda > Oberstein > Reinhard > Reuenthal > Mittermeyer

>>153455037
Governing a city is easier than governing a large nation, no shit. Indecision is just a sign of an ongoing debate, and coming to a quick decision is not automatically preferable, even if it bugs people that their side doesn't get their way. You on the other hand would rather take away all such debate, and for what reason? As for other interests tugging in the directions they prefer, that's every bit as present in autocracies throughout history.
And Spain's economic boom stopped because of international economic situations, like the oil crisis, not because Franco died.

>>153455098
>Hilda
Lmao