How can they fix this franchise?
Release another pure, well-written, and entertaining VN that's not so fucking shitty as latest series entries.
If they released another VN with just the original cast of fate/SN in a new scenario that isn't complete bullshit, that would be absolutely incredible.
Also they could purge all secondaries through some means. It pisses me off that secondaries will soon be able to say they "know" the full story of HF once the movies come out. The fact that they don't know the story of HF is one of the best ways to know they're a fucking secondary.
Yes I'm a pretentious cunt.
the first two routes and their heroines are absolute shit made to pander to the very worst casuals, with the good parts coming after that. fate/zero is a prequel to the final route and builds towards it.
Make a series which alternates between the adventures of Aoko traveling around and Touko on the run.
Have it culminate with Aoko and Touko teaming up to face down a DA or DAA.
>thinking manchildren is some form of derogatory term in a tournament to win a wish granting cup.
"Grown ups" would end up as fodder if they join it anyway because they would run at the first sight of danger like the bad ends.
>Give us a Ishtarin x Giluvia H-Scene.
>If they released another VN with just the original cast of fate/SN in a new scenario that isn't complete bullshit, that would be absolutely incredible.
they stated that won't ever make a proper sequel to FSN but they will make spinoffs as long as they like the idea of it.
I mean, HA was pretty fucking great. If they made a similar VN, I'd be happy.
Even if it was with the Zero cast. Reading a pure VN just gives a certain vibe that can't be captured through other forms of media
It's only with the release of the UBW anime, and the influx of teenage secondaries backlashing against the post-2014 hype, along with Grand Order, that an actual hate base has emerged.
How would that work? The Gil side would clash with the Luvia side. Gil would never go near Ishtar, while Luvia would most certainly want to go near Rin. It would be Smeagol/Gollum but with Gil and Luvia.
Actually, going by GO Ishtar and Gil's relationship after he came back from his quest is like an old married couple. They basically just argue without really going after each others throats. Ishtar's attempts to attack him are treated more of a joke than anything.
Haven't read Tsukihime or Kagetsu Tohya so can't speak for those
But HA cause of all the character interactions plus Bazett/Avenger. Character interactions that were impossible to have in SN were made possible in HA so that gives freedom to make very enjoyable content. Also by the time you get to HA you already love and know the characters so it's easier to enjoy by default
Dude, HA made me realize that a Rin and Sakura team up would be the most dangerous thing in the whole thing. Seriously, it's weird how good they got at fucking with people in that game, like they've been doing it all their lives. Too bad the pacing is snoozeville and the dilagoue mainly pointless jibber jabber about food or some other small talk nonsense. Why did Bazett not get lewd,is it because she's a woman child?
Make a spinoff about Kotomine.
Yet they had no problem showing her ass in Carnival Phantasm. Through there's something to be said about a 25 year old woman becoming a teenaged girl when her crush is nearby. It's kinda sad, this chick is mad lonely.
the first volume of Fate/Zero is older than all routes except Fate route. Nasu wanted to write about the fourth war and realized he still had to finish the VN. He was hospitalized and still working on Fate route. That's when he contacted Gen Urobutchi. His idea was for him to publish Fate/Zero before FSN but Butcher told him that it would better to wait a few years. They finished the story on parallel with Fate route. It seems like they just held up to do the final version and publish it only after Fate got popular.
Sure, but there are people who think (or bait-think) it goes like this
>??? -> Fate
>??? -> UBW
>Zero -> HF
Like Zero was made specifically to be followed by HF even though it can be followed by any route, because that's how the Nasuverse goes. I get it's because of the tone, but still.
>Makiri parasitic worms
>Zouken sends worms after the drunk woman who has no idea what is going on while they devour her alive, and all the while there are these chewing noises.
>One of the Bad Ends has Shirou run from Zouken in the Ryoudo Temple, when he suddenly falls over and discovers that running through the Lust Worms has made them quite literally eat his feet to the point where he can no longer walk. He is then horribly eaten by the worms.
>Shirou becoming Kiritsugu II in Mind of Steel
>Sakura inflicts on Rin all the pain that she went through for eleven years... and Sakura describes to Shirou how Rin is screaming "I'm sorry... I'm sorry..." all over and over again...
>Shiro's body is slowly invaded by Archer's reality marble until the blades start bursting out of his skin and making it difficult for him to even move.
>Sakura gets a first view perspective of the Shadow attracting people before smashing and eating the unwary victims.
They're about the same imo. Are people forgetting that Fate and UBW were dark at times too?
>>Zouken sends worms after the drunk woman who has no idea what is going on while they devour her alive, and all the while there are these chewing noises.
I really like that scene. It better be in the movies.
>Nasu will never retcon Sakura out of HF
UBW was probably the best route. But it felt really thin, Caster's route was pretty mediocre, the revelation about Archer could have been far more brick shitting, Shirou's conflict was well portrayed though and Lancer stole the show.
More wall adventures.
Stop it with the Fate/rehash shit, just make something new. The huge faggot that is Nasu has a whole fucking universe that is still unexplored and he refuses to let go of the holy grail war bullshit because it's easy money from waifufags.
In short, Fate's popularity is what killed Fate and the only way to fix it is to kill it for real this time.
but Nasu is writing other stuff. He's just sitting in his office writing stuff about Waver-sensei and occasionally knocking out shit with his D&D buddies (like that awful chaos dragon shota emperor thing) while the rest of Type-Moot is cashing in on their Fate gacha gambling game.
>Says CCC is last time he's writing Fate
Nasu it's time to stop. I'm looking forward to the Turkeyhandle remake in 2030 with Carnival Phantasm Season 4 in 2045.
>you pre-buff yourself with Protection from Magical Weapons, Protection from Non-Magical Weapons, Shield, Protection from Energy, Globe of Invulnerability, ready to throw the fuck down
>crazy-ass tsundere just runs in and punches you in the face
The combat system is love/hate, but I really enjoyed it. Never played an RPG like it.
I'll never forget how Aksys reacted when I asked about CCC at Evo.
Effectively "it's never coming here, give it up."
Extra was successful, but not enough to warrant Nasu's pricetag.
I've been hearing that every fate project of his is his final one and the "magnum opus" for probably close to 10 years now, pretty ironic how the latest "magnum opus" is a shitty cash grab mobile game.
It´s their loss, almost all niche games are coming, Persona is selling better and better, Fate CCC would sell pretty good if they port it to ps4/vita/steam, they keep ignoring that there is a whole market for Fate outside Japan.
Not everyone likes musous and I think the Extra system could be fun, more if Extra was like a Persona game which is a system loved outside of Japan
Yes but we are gaijin with money, is hilarious how even the Kiseki games and some old VNs are coming yet they refuse to bring more games here.
Hope they change their mind if Extra anime success. Perhaps Extella sold good too.
Yeah, I agree. F/SN, to be honest, didn't really 'do' the Grail War. Nearly everyone was an irregular Master. I kind of wish it'd stuck with the Battle Royale format that was teased, and that Fate/Zero explored.
Like, it felt weird that no-one was fighting seriously.
Yeah, UBW was the best. Though I think it's the most resonant route, there are some oddities (as a standalone) like Kirei's abrupt death, the fact Shirou never gets to interact with Ilya much, and some of Archer's more puzzling actions.
You'd think that he'd be a lot more serious about killing Shirou if it's his ticket out. (Unless the point is that Archer doesn't believe it's going to work, and he has to make Shirou recant to win the argument.)
Because as it was revealed in HF, the grail war was a big fucking scam. And even the wish granting device was fucked thanks to the Einzbern trying to cheat the system on the 3rd war and failing miserably
It sort of misses the point, though. I mean, there's a lot you can do with the initial setup, but the original VN seems to try and avoid it as much as possible. Zero was the only one that played it out to the logical conclusion.
I personally think Zero was better, but that's just me. (Like, Zero's cast was more compelling.)
>Kirei's abrupt death
I, personally, rather liked that. Or, at the least, it made me enjoy Cu's existence even a little bit more, so I liked it.
>some of Archer's more puzzling actions
Example(s)? The obvious ones being that he didn't spear Shirou the instant that he realized who he was, or that he didn't go 100% from the get-go in their final fight; let's ignore those.
Like, leaving Rin to be raped by Shinji, deciding to work with Caster, and showing up at the final battle (somehow) despite being completely mana-depleted and getting shivv'ed by Gilgamesh.
Archer vs Shirou was never meant to be a battle of physical strength. He wanted to crush Shirou's ideals, which he attempts to do from the start.
He also doesn't super care about Rin. He likes her but not in the same way he cares about Illya
Funny, because you can blame the events of Zero for SN being as it was. The grail was ready for the 5th war much earlier than normal thanks to the events of Zero's finale, which means a lot of the masters are teenagers because they didn't have time to grow into adults
>Kudzuki is like 70, combat skills have gone down; he and Caster are off the map immediately
>Rin has a fuckton more gems and shit, probably old enough to be wise enough to not fuck up with the clocks, summons Saber
>Ilya is less retarded, kills Shirou ASAP
She was never going to summon Saber in the first place, since Shirou having Avalon guaranteed his spot and role in the war. She could have summoned a second Gilgamesh instead of EMIYA, but who knows if she ever considered that option.
Make Saber the MC.
If it just stopped at the initial Fate game, I would have been happy. That was great. The rest is just a clusterfuck. Type Moon was a lot better when they had their shit together.
Nothing, things are going great right now. The spinoffs are top tier.
>FSN Saber route anime by Ufotable with original story by Urobuchi as a sequel to Zero
What? FATE route barely touches on anything from Zero aside from Saber's story. Zouken, Angry Manjew, Sakura and Ilya's arcs would all remain unfulfilled. Heaven's Feel is the only route that would work as a sequel to Zero. Even that would still fuck Saber over.
They already have. They're finally focusing on the Empress instead of the King.
Her musou was decent with a good story, far better than the Berserk one. Now we just need Last Encore to be good.
That is because as much as people rag on Sakura, she is actually a really good ally when she is free to be one. Hell, even in HF, she saves Shirou without him even knowing about it most of the time.
Also, Hollow had really good stuff amidst the comedic dialogue. Saber's heritage, Sakura slowly taking back the life she should have had, learning more about Ilya, the works.
I would hope that the conversation Medusa has with Avenger on why she was summoned by Sakura and what makes a monster could be snuck into HF somehow. Really solid stuff in Hollow, and in my opinion, much better comedy than Carnival Phantasm, considering Hollow has been inspiration for over a decade of good doujins. Non-ero ones I mean.
He has completely embraced being a sadistic asshole, but has a lot of depth to him that makes him likable or at least relatable compared to a lot of other one dimensional sadistic assholes.
>I would hope that the conversation Medusa has with Avenger on why she was summoned by Sakura and what makes a monster could be snuck into HF somehow. Really solid stuff in Hollow
It will probably be added to the FSN HF manga as it's expanding on the characters. They made Medea better in the UBW series so I have faith.
Kerry's bombs would have gone off and sealed the Greater Grail if 50 years passed.
The only reason things went as badly is because Kerry destroyed the container that was spilling mud, instead of the portal to the other side, which would have avoided the Fuyuki's fire, gave Zouken free Iri guts to use to put into Sakura, and died without telling people he wanted to blow up the grail when it manifested again, and that it was actually dangerous.
Man, Kerry just hosed both Shirou and Sakura royally, goddamn. If he could watch them at their wedding, he would likely be relieved they got together despite the laundry list of shit he threw their way.
Can you imagine how someone who only watched Zero felt like when they saw it's "sequel" UBW? I almost wish I lurked MAL for their reactions to that scene.
>All those years they waited for a sequel to Zero
>All those "theories" and ideas from animeonlies about what'd happen if both of Kiritsugu's kids met
>Nope, no real bond in this route, she just gets brutally fucking murdered
The asspain must have been real.
They've been pussyfooting around the finalized format they are actually going to use, and so far, a lot of snippets we've seen are stuff we never see in the VN itself, or it adds a bit more to the scenes it does include.
Nasu added on to UBW True, which needed it frankly, why wouldn't he do so for HF?
They'd have been asspained if the anime didn't give as much backstory that harkened back to Zero. Ilya's original bits in the VN for UBW were astonishingly brief. In the anime she got Ilya vs. Rin, lots of Herc/Ilya stuff, so the sting was much less than it would have been without Nasu's edits.
Considering plenty of those people were in the 4chan threads, sure. UBW threads were cancer so let's not wish for anything related to that.
Hell no. Urobuchi is a sick man with many problems. I'm sure his fans, if they saw his author comments for Zero, it would make even the most stalwart of fedora tippers think the guy was mentally ill.
This is a guy who says his dream world for Sakura is that she was the bride to Spawn (yes, the actual character Spawn) and ruled Hell as the queen. You can't make this shit up.
His literal reaction to seeing Takeuchi's art of Sakura as a Tohsaka for the first time was stroking his boner on how he could destroy such a lovely, cute girl in the novel. And Nasu, passive, sheepish Nasu got mad at his original manuscript of Sakura and Kariya's scene in Zero(fuck you Aoki for making such an awesome Rin scene for Zero, but letting Butcher go full edge lord for Sakura).
>we need to find a way to revitalise the fate series
>say no more
The parts afterwards are the same as Kinoko's notes. Although the initial plan was just a short piece describing the duel between Kiritsugu and Kirei, the wings of imagination can't be stopped once it is spread opened and finally all seven Masters and their Servants are gathered together. I found myself once again immersed in the joy of weaving together a story. It can be said that the launch of Fate/zero saved my writing career.
Right now, I've writing a piece that is saved and has a perfect ending. To be more accurate, writing a part of this piece.
Yes. This marvellous piece called Fate - its perfect united ending surrounding the protagonist Emiya Shirō is a set fact. No matter how cruel the end of Zero turns out to be, it wouldn't affect the perfect finish of this entire work.
Right now, I've finally got a chance to write a tragic ending according to my heart's desire. No matter how I display the darkness inside my heart, from an overall look I am nevertheless a partner of 'the warrior of love, Nasu Kinoko'.
Because of that, Urobuchi-san thought ‘Zero is a story based on Fate. So it’s better if Zero doesn’t become available to the public before Fate is released.’ Therefore, after waiting for a year, it was finally released in the winter of 2006. That’s how things went.
They might adopt, but they are likely to have a child together soon enough with how they are going at it.
>Hell no. Urobuchi is a sick man with many problems. I'm sure his fans, if they saw his author comments for Zero, it would make even the most stalwart of fedora tippers think the guy was mentally ill.
Are you implying this is a bad thing? People without these unique ways of thinking don't make for very good artists.
Fix what? It makes millions of dollars, sometimes in a day.
Just because it doesn't appeal to contrarian NEETs on a single section of an imageboard Nasu probably has never gone to? Kill yourself if you think your opinion matters to Nasu as he, the guy who made Love Live and Oda are drinking wine using women as chairs. They got money for a reason, and that wasn't cause they listened to some faggots on 4chan that's butt hurt about whatever.
Problem is, it's in a bad way.
As I mentioned before, his writing was flatly rejected by Nasu two times.The guy got Nasu mad at him for going too edgy to the point he totally ruined characters due to his fetishes. That is a bad writer.
He got his piece edited again in GO for that Zero event if what I hear is right. People know he takes things too far because he has these fetishes.
How different would the story be if the lion king was summoned in Saber's place?
Apoc will be entertaining for the fights alone unless A-1 fucks up the animation.
Just because it doesn't appeal to contrarian NEETs on a single section of an imageboard Nasu probably has never gone to? Kill yourself if you think your opinion matters to Nasu as he, the guy who made Love Live and Oda are drinking wine using women as chairs. They got money for a reason, and that wasn't cause they listened to some faggots on 4chan that's butt hurt about whatever.
>it's OK as long as the creator makes money
Why... what kind of deluded mindset do you have to be in to think that it's okay to drag a franchise through the mud just because it's "bigger and more successful than ever"? Do you really want Fate to be something akin to Love Live?
Literally a fucking cuck.
Fate/stay night is written from Shirou's point of view, but Fate/Zero is drawn from many different points of view.
Uro: True. Fate/stay night was originally conceptualized as a bishojo game, so the very individual theme of "romance" was placed at the core. It had to be written from Shirou's point of view. So then I thought, I have this really powerful core idea of all these Eiyuu (heroic spirits) engaged in a Battle Royale, so why not draw their story from multiple point of views? That's why I tried to work more main characters into Fate/Zero other than simply Kiritsugu and Kirei.
Nasu: I had no other choice but to make Fate/stay night the way I did for that bishojo game format. I think Fate/stay night does lack that "battle royale" atmosphere, but I really wanted to make it a work that would make the users want to get to know Saber and Rin better, or cuddle with Sakura. Saber and Rin respresent the fun and sweetness of romance. But I wanted to express the tragic nature of love with Sakura.
Uro: I see. You really did separate "romance" and "love" with your heroines. I was swoon most by Dark Sakura, so I guess I'll never be able to make a proper romance work... (laughs)
The point is Nasu made money for a reason, and you're here bitching Fate somehow has gone from being a '10/10 best VN and anime ever' to 'What is this Naruto Road to Boruto DX: Battle shit?'
Fate was never high art. There is no massive drop from FSN to anything except Acrophyia and that's only because of everything with Dragon Dick and his clone fuckboi.
It made money because it appeals to people who aren't you, and will continue to do so while you bitch about 'muh integrity.'
Fucker integrity doesn't put food on the table.Get over yourself.
>literally no argument
OK buddy, I understood that it was bait from your copy-pasted replies. You're probably fine with Fate being garbage-tier as long as it has waifus, and would insist that FSN and FZ were already at that level, so have this one last (you).
Not sure if it's a hatred for GO or just its fans.
See every kind of FATEfag makes /a/ their home. Doesn't matter if they liked FSN, Zero, Extra/CCC/Extella, Apocrypha, Strange Fake, Hollow Ataraxia, Prisma Ilya or even things like Carnival Phantasm and AATM.
The only thing you don't see co-existing on /a/ is Grand Order. It's almost an entirely separate fanbase that rarely mixes with /a/ and is mostly found on fucking /vg/.There's definitely an "US and THEM" situation between people that come here to discuss the FATE universe and the people that spend their time in /vg/ just talking Grand Order.
Not that anon but while FGO is pretty shit, I think the story is interesting if you enjoyed other Nasu stories.
That's exactly was happened though.
FSN was good and money.
Now they're doing "Naruto Road to Boruto DX: Battle shit" for even more. Speaking of which, Naruto makes a lot of money, so I guess the milking there is also OK because "it appeals to an audience that's not me".
You're right bro, fuck integrity, poor poor Nasu needs to get food on his table.
>spend their time in /vg/ just talking Grand Order.
/fgog/ is pretty much a fate general at this point. The general was basically an Extella general when that came out. Same with every SF chapter.
You're deluded. FSN was a fucking porn game with shittily written sex scenes. Its biggest appeal was the waifus. The only change with the mobage is that they cut out the porn while bringing in more even waifus and it makes a ton of money so they will keep doing the same thing in the future.
More like a containment thread so people who unironically (and ironically) play Grand Order can still talk about other Fate shit.
Not that it helps, they'll still come over here and infest almost every single normal Fate thread with their garbage.
>FSN was a fucking porn game with shittily written sex scenes
The argument of a true secondary.
> Its biggest appeal was the waifus
Just fucking no. Though you are exactly the kind of person who would enjoy trash like GO, so great for you.
Much of the opinions I’ve seen on Fate/stay night – and by extension, Kinoko Nasu as a writer – are based on horribly twisted “common knowledge” and endlessly-parroted memes on Nasu’s knowledge of sexual intercourse and proper writing – both of which can be blamed on sub-par translations and adaptations of his games.
Yeah how dare people talk about Fate Grand Order in Fate threads! Ignore the aspects of the franchise I don't like!
This thread is absolute cancer and most of it is complaining about cancer
Because GO isn't anime and manga (though it does have a single OVA.) There's just no point in making a GO thread on /a/ when there's a 24/7 general on /vg/.
/a/ is hype for the Apocrypha and Last Encore shows, the Prisma movie and the Heaven's Feel movie. So FSN, Extra, Prisma and Apocrypha fans will primarily be the ones making threads on /a/ because they've got anime and mango stuff to look forward to this year. Grand Order just doesn't fit in to this boards interest.
I for one welcome all the new fans of the Empress that this year will bring, even though there's a high chance of that slut Tamamo stealing the show.
While there's a lot of people like >>153322707 there, you can get a decent discussion going once in a while. I understand not going there though since it's mostly waifuposting.
>trash like GO
I'm sure you also would since it's the same fucking shit but stay in denial. I'm just waiting for you to pull the "ur a secondary" card.
>The argument of a true secondary
>There's just no point in making a GO thread on /a/
True, but people get mad as soon as you even mention GO. People make powerlevel threads then say GO "doesn't count". It's fucking retarded.
I play F/GO regulary and follow the fate threads when it's not about powelevel discussion or waifu war.
If anything, we know how hated F/GO is there, and that the game sure is flawed, it's a guilty pleasure hard to defend. Also seeing the fuckton of people there who discovered fate with F/Z and expecting from the fate franchise standards it never had, this is a lost cause.
Generals are containment threads for people who are too obsessed with something to have normal discussions about it, that's why /vg/ exists.
Yeah, but that's a lot like FGO itself. Go through 40 metric tons of shit to get to a little bit of good stuff every once in a while.
>Generals are containment threads for people who are too obsessed with something to have normal discussions about it, that's why /vg/ exists.
Which is fine, but people shouldn't be told to fuck off to /vg/ for even mentioning FGO even when it's relevant to the conversation. It's fucking childish.
You are a secondary if you think the whole "lol it's a porn game so the story doesn't count" has any weight to it, don't even try to deny it.
So if you play and enjoy FGO and think FSN was on the same levels, I guess you read it just for those "shittily written sex scenes"? I guess that's to be expected from the audience GO targets.
kek at twisting the order of the arguments by the way.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who's followed TM for an extended amount of time wouldn't be disappointed with what GO does to SN. I'm personally upset about the whole Primate Murder fiasco and even though it makes enough sense, it still just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
While it's not directly about the game, another thing that baffles me is how some people who play GO belittle and insult the very sources that their gacha servants come from. GO is very different from the rest of the verse so I can see how it would attract a different crowd of players, but if you don't care for the source I would think that it'd make more sense to play something like Granblue since a lot of people are playing for the mindless mobage aspect in the first place.
I think that most people who easily accept GO treating the rest of the verse as a corpse and dragging it through the mud are new to the franchise in general and willing to disregard "old" information, or maybe don't even know of it having not played Tsukihime, HA, etc. When I played Extra and CCC, despite thinking that they weren't near the same caliber as anything leading up to them, I didn't feel like they were soiling the original games because they're fairly closed off stories universe-wise, as are Tsukihime and Fate but at the same time having deep and at times subtle lore that constructs a wider picture, and then GO comes along.
Grand Order should've been a more isolated story, like Apoc or even SF, and could have all the loli santa servant goodness without completely shitting on its predecessors.
Unfortunately that's just the way people have to deal with /fgog/fags, even if one reasonable person tries to have a discussion, ten other waifufag retards will appear alongside him, so it's really no use getting FGO involved with anything.
So you say, but anytime FGO is mentioned, the cancer of getting mad at that person is way bigger than /fgog/fags. This thread for example is a lot more cancerous than /fgog/ usually is.
>This thread for example is a lot more cancerous than /fgog/ usually is.
To be fair, it's because the thread literally started with "how do we fix Fate." That's just inciting this kind of behavior. If it were an Apocrypha thread, or a Prisma Ilya thread or a new PV for Last Encore then I doubt it's have gone down this route. This was a bad end right from the start.
Fight cancer with cancer I suppose.
Basically some people want nothing to do with FGO, so they make an even larger shitstorm to prevent any possible discussion involving it.
I also think FGO should stay in /fgog/
The plot of Grand Order is kinda dumb to begin with but you have to give the game a pass in this aspect since setting up a game based around Fate is a bit difficult, so you have to be willing to accept just a little bit of nonsense.
The thing is Grand Order shat all over much of the lore.
There's a whole bunch of Avengers now, even though that was a top-class anomaly which only existed to summon Angra Mainyu.
They now keep their memories from different summonings, even though this defeats the whole point of UBW's ending among other things.
What the fuck is a "Shielder" class?
You can summon Alters now even though those are NOT supposed to exist within the Throne and were only created when Angra Mainyu consumed them. But according to GO they can be summoned straight from the Throne.
We have a ton of Servants with guns now, even though it had been explained for years that this should not happen.
Humans can have Servant's powers now. I realize this is just for pure fanservice with Rin and for other classic characters to be in GO, but it's still a very stupid addition that's been shoehorned into the lore as an actual thing that can happen.
EVERYONE IS GIRLS. People say genderbends were always a thing here, but no, it used to be just Saber, and she was an exception, not the rule. Now we have all these genderbends and they're starting to go crazy with the excuses for them, it's pretty ridiculous. You might as well be playing Eiyuu Senki at this point, and that actually has porn so it's actually better than Fate.
Fate/Extra was the beginning of the end for the Fate franchise.
That's bullshit, that's like saying we shouldn't get mad at Stella Vermillion when we're talking about alternatives to tsundere female leads.
Everyone knows we should flay them alive.
Take all the best from every Fate work and combine it together:
Fate/Stay Night: Philosophy
Fate/Apocrypha: Character development
Fate/Prototype: Character design
The only time fgog is cancer is when a new character is unveiled.
The worst being Cleo, who in fact was terrible designed by dangitronpaul guy.
Seriously though I've yet to see Fanart of her that isn't superior
1. More Nero
2. Nero needs to be louder, angirer and have access to a time machine
3. When Nero's not onscreen all the other characters need to ask "Where's Nero?"
She was raped in Zero in 2012.
There were dickworms in 2014 UBW anime.
Oh I'm sorry, she wasn't "raped", she just had numerous phalic-shaped bugs crawling all around her body for 10 years. Totally all-ages.
>Rin ignoring how her own sister was being tortured and raped
>gets angry when Shirou makes a silly comment
Seriously why won´t this bitch just die instead of best girls Illya and Kotomine
>Oh I'm sorry, she wasn't "raped", she just had numerous phalic-shaped bugs crawling all around her body for 10 years. Totally all-ages.
Exactly. The cringy sexual aspect of it is gone.
The funny thing is that Sakura could have been stopped by just being nice to her, I don´t know why Rin is so cold toward her and blaming her for being "weak" yet, as you said, Rin didn´t even supported the suffering Sakura has been through for less than 10 minutes, which Sakura suffered during 11 years (add to that a psycho brother)
She didn´t even attempt to save Sakura or atleast make her life easier.
Rin was a little occupied with someone else.
>Rin literally risks her life to save Shinji who tried to rape her the previous day
You know she wanted it. She just wanted Lancer more, so she played hard to get until he rejected her.
>tfw Rin route is literally worst ending for everyone
>Shinji lives, Illya dies, Sakura triple suffering for losing to her better-living oneesan
>wipe everything but Zero and Strange Fake from the canon
>remake the VN into a single, complete route (just got for an anime or book)
>let Butcher handle the writing
Zero and Strange fake are the only two good parts of the franchise anyway, and neither were written by Nasu (mostly). Most of all move away from the shonen-style writing of the VN. Yes, the VN is shonen-style, adding shitty sex scenes doesn't change that, you got a clear-cut hero that needs to get stronger to defeat a clear-cut set of villains.
>reeeeee fuck you redditor only prisma is actually good muh naked lolis are the pinnacle of storytelling
Make all female characters in some other part of Fate (e.g. Prisma, GO, whatever) male. Now tell me, do you still like it as much? That's the surefire way to see if something is actually good or only good because some faggot can tug his micropenis to shitty fanservice. Zero and Strange fake sure hold up just fine.
>literally takes out all the villains by herself
Sakura is objectively more useful than Saber and Rin were in their own routes. Rin is absolute shit in HF, because she does nothing but attack and agitate Shirou and Sakura.
When she finally started to get some character in her:
>I-it´s just the shadow who make her do bad things, if it wasn´t for the shadow she could have be perfectly normal with all the raping and torture
Is Gil actually less a dick in CCC? Does he respect his master or something? What even compels him to actually take the guy/girl as master anyway, was he bored that afternoon?
I don't hate it, but it just isn't up to Zero or Strange fake writing. Nasu should give the rough outline, but there are many better writers than him to work out the details. People give the VN way too much credit because it was their entry point, but if you go back to it now it's pretty evident it's not really up to some other parts.
I hate GO though, not like I think Fate ever was a "serious, mature, and respectable franchise" but for the retarded designs, shitty powerlevel creep, and making fucking everyone a fucking servant to keep that carrot on the stick going.
He saw modern civ in Zero and thought it was shit so he wanted to make humanity great again like they were in the age of gods (Quality over Quantity) then later in FSN he meets
Shinji. Decides that restoring the current mankind to it's glory isn't possible so he needs to wipe the slate clean and start anew.
Yeah Shinji is such as shitter he managed to convince Gil to end it all.
Gil in Extra/CCC on the other hand likes the humanity of that era and turns out pretty chill.
You know how Fate fans can be really elitist and categorize themselves into "primaries" who read the original VN and "secondaries" who either played one of the console games or just watched the anime? And "secondaries" typically think "primaries" are a really annoying bunch and just wanna like/dislike the game they played or the anime they watched? And "primaries" like to criticize "secondaries" for not fully understanding the media.
The thing that happened with GO is that, a bunch of the people who could previously boast about their superior insight of the Fate franchise now find themselves completely out of the loop. They don't know what's going on in the franchise anymore. You could say that the primaries have become secondaries.
Hakunon, whats not to love about the plainest girl ever.
From memory, and it's been a while, Gilgamesh says in CCC when you first see him that he's disgusted that the Heroic Spirit you summoned didn't stay with you, and he'll have to stick with you to assuage a debt or in payment. There's a theory that this means Hakuno summoned Berserker, possibly even Enkidu Berserker, and that's what originally drew his attention.
>Gil was actually just trying to help humanity
>was turned to extreme measures because humanity was so shit
>he can't say anything about that because he'd look less cool then
>going by GO Ishtar and Gil's relationship after he came back from his quest is like an old married couple.
>with the slut roastie whore that got your only true friend and best bro killed
Another reason GO is disgusting.
In fairness, by cosmological rules modern humanity kind of IS shit. The more humans there are, the less power each has, since the power is dispersed more thinly. The nine to five jobs, aimless people just existing rather than pushing themselves to gain true worth and to DO something with their lives?
Gilgamesh hates them. They aren't worthy of humanity.
At this point nothing can be done, Fate series has already switched to fanpandering mode years ago, you shouldn't expect an ounce of originality or risky developments to come out of this franchise, you'll be dissppointed.
>The nine to five jobs, aimless people just existing rather than pushing themselves to gain true worth and to DO something with their lives?
So you're saying Gil saw the NEET light?
Extra-verse Gil is just a complete bro. Even in Extella he was genuinely helpful and well meaning even if he couldn't say it because muh pride. He willingly took second in command to Altera.
Most underrated servant. Does a lot more with the concept of what classes as a heroic spirit than any lazy Rule 63 does.
Depends on the NEET. If the NEET actually does spend his time improving himself then Gil would see him higher than the 9 to 5 wagie.
So that's like 1 in a million NEETs, if that.
>Yeah Shinji is such as shitter he managed to convince Gil to end it all.
That's not true though. He wanted to make humanity great again before meeting Shinji. It's just that he wants to fuck Saber even more.
Why are Lancers always the best characters in their respective series?
What do you think of the fact that we're only one caster away from being able to run an entire grail war with only saberclones?
The real problem with GO is that it's simply too waifu oriented because that's what gets people to purchase on a phone game. I don't think it's necessarily bad and I do like a lot of the servants, but the very nature of the game they're in means that the only exposition and exploration you'll ever get from them is in the form of valentines chocolate, christmas presents, halloween costumes and whatever retarded jap holiday they decide to create an event around in order to get those stupid fucks to fork over the cash.
I hope that content creators use GO as a stepping stone to take those servants and apply them in actual narrative intensive works where character interaction can occur beyond "UGUU AM I KAWAII"
I do think the all the OC that has popped up because of GO is neat though.
It does have a comprehensive main plot, you know. Of VN length.
The only mobage element to it is that every third scene they have to say "Look out! Monsters!" so you have to fight and spend stamina.
I would say the problem comes more from how unbalanced the servants are in F/S night in comparison to F/Z rather than the harem and romance shit.
If you compare the servant class to each other, the F/S night versions blow out their counterpart in F/Z, with some even considered to be the best in that class.
Then of course you also have to give bullshit reasons to actually "nerf" them.
>saber and rider have crappy masters
>lancer is compelled by a command to not fight seriously early on
>berserker could have been much better in another class
>caster has to basically supply for herself and some other servants
>assassin is stuck guarding the gate
>archer doesnt have a master at times and sometimes starts being too injured to fight
I hope all of you are ready for the new part of GO :^)
>Unlimited Cringe Works
I will never understand why people love this route so much. Hell, I enjoyed the cooking bits from all 3 routes more than the main story of UBW. Which is a pity because I think Rin is best girl,
after Medusa of course.
This, I never liked Shirou much. He's probably my least favorite Type-Moon protagonist. Yet, his spin-off version in Prisma completely changed my opinion of him. Absolutely based. Hope he gets best semen demon.
>REEEEEEEEEEE nobody can have fun because of muh porn fanfic.
Fuck off, I don't give a shit about the abortion of a story that is FGO. I just enjoy battling with my waifus.
>Her musou was decent with a good story,
Honestly, as a former Nerofag. The only thing her musou game did for me was make me hate her. She got annoying as fuck in that game. Your pic was the final straw. Saber Venus was a fucking mistake.
Altera was best girl.
How fucked would everyone be in HF if she had been summoned instead?
Shame her in game art is so bad. Her design itself is quite fun.
THE FUCKING VULGAR SERVANT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHE RUINED EVERYTHING!!!!!!
I believe you meant to say Assassins.
Does Shirou play any part in F/GO? If he doesn't, is there any chance of him playing a part in F/GO? I watched the OVA and am sorta interested to know wtf alter Archer was doing instead of preserving humanity.
You guys are just as cancerous though. Just look at FGO as another parallel universe of Fate completely different from FSN. Stop being aspies and enjoy the game for what it is. Or don't play it and get triggered constantly by all the dumbass changes to the lore.
I'll admit I get peeved with a lot of the stupid shit done in FGO but at the end of the day I still think the game is fun to play.
I'd say it's the other way around. In a fight, i'd give the edge to F/Z in most of the fights
>Gilles needed far more to take down than Medea
>Gilgamesh blew the fuck out of EMIYA
>Lancelot lasted longer than Herc, but didn't need to be excaliblasted
>Assassin could go either way but through sheer numbers i'd say Zero wins. They just had bad luck running into Rider's reality marble.
>I'd pay money to see the two Lancer's duel it out, but one was ordered to be nerfed, the other ordered to kill himself.
>I don't see what the fuck Medusa could do against Ionioi Hetairoi
I for one welcome all the new fans of the Empress that this year will bring, even though there's a high chance of that slut Tamamo stealing the show.
Hi braindead nerofag, did you get banned from posting on reddit too?
>MHX was a joke of aprils fool
>then become a servant on GO where she was an ayy from Servant Universe
>now there's two factions, R.O.U.N.D.S and New Round Table, that are the sith and jedi of the universe
>without forgetting that Emperial Cosmo Gilgamesh is ruling the universe
>MHXA and MXH are students in the Edison Academy of Good Servants
The absolute fucking madman. I love Nasu
I'm excited for best Saiba and best [s]loli[/s]Assassin.
Nero and Tamamo both were overly in love with Hakuno in Extella. In Extra and CCC it was a part of their character, for some reason Extella laid it on thick. Every sentence was either talking about how much they wanted your dick, or them blushing because you said hello to them. They were reduced to neet pandering way more than they have previously.
At least Altera kept her shit together for the most part. They all came in second place to Elizabeth anyway. The only girl so fucking autistic, she can stop an apocalypse with her blind idiocy.
Make another "proper" VN, no more VN's with crappy gameplay slapped on.
Give us a full multi-route story with each focusing on the characters and their individual story, Less powerlevel bullshit and ever so less pandering to waifus, this series is built on cute girls but i think it's trying a bit too hard to sell something people would buy anyways.
Otherwise it's fine as is, maybe expand on the lore of the world.
I didn't like Dark Eli that much at first but she grew on me. Especially because she flared up Archimedes autism to the max. Best scene in the game.
best part at 1:27
Fuck you, I lost my FGO account a month ago because my old phone died and I can't get it through recovery. I don't know my account ID, it would hurt less if I didn't roll Archer Gil and normal MHX without spending money.
>medea is a vastly stronger mage than gilles, she can also beam spam
>gil generally beats anyone as long as he isnt fucking around, but il just mention that in the UBW scenario archer was busy with shirou when he got hit by the blade spam
>lancelot has no fucking chance beating herc
>could go either way for assassin I agree
>diarmud has no counter to gae bolg, not to mention it being said cu has the better stats anyway
>medusa has much more agility than alexander on top of pegasus being able to just plow through his army(they are just above average in stats to a servant and otherwise haven no NP)
Even if I were to agree with all of that, it still changes nothing.
HF had, for me, great stuff. Rin, exposition, Kotomine, Rider, Saber Alter, Sparks Liner High.
When I first read the VN, I had no idea that Sakura had her own route, and was surprised and then very surprised at all the worm stuff. There is only one slight problem, I don't care about Sakura. At all. Saber, Rin and Illya? Sure. But everything involving Sakura was just painfully dull to get through.
And even though I thought that at the time that there was a massive disconnect between Fate/UBW and HF Shirou, I can see him making similar choices for Saber, Rin and Illya if pressed and with no way out. But when it comes to Sakura, I just can't bring myself to care.
I'm not saying there is no quality to the route (even though merely being darker gives it no quality on it's own), I just don't like the core of it.
Fuck man, that brings back PTSD from when lost my old account on my android phone. Had Nightingale&Arturia Lancer. I can't even use those characters in support anymore without getting triggered.
I despite how secondary pandering Type-moon has shifted the franchise to.
Ever since Fate/Zero, Type-Moon seem to retool everything to the tone of that damn series. So much that the secondary pandering of ufotable's UBW has utterly ruined the meaning and depth of the VN just so they can shove in a F/Z reference. Now we're seeing a similar shift in change due to mobile shit with F/GO. What's stopping Type-Moon from telling ufotable to retool Heaven's Feel to shove a reference for those secondaries who started in F/GO on top of the F/Zfags? Nothing.
If anything, it's hard to fix something that is alreday marred and destroyed because of Type-Moon's incompetence.
>>Gilles needed far more to take down than Medea
Gilles didn't threaten a single fucking servant, he was a wall of meat that they only wanted to kill because he was going to kill innocents. Tentacle God is not a threat to any servant. Every single one can fight it off and just leave.
>>Gilgamesh blew the fuck out of EMIYA
When he's serious, at least. (AKA never)
>>Lancelot lasted longer than Herc, but didn't need to be excaliblasted
Lancelot and Heracles are strong for different reasons, so I don't like comparing them.
>>Assassin could go either way but through sheer numbers i'd say Zero wins
Hundred Faced Hassan reduces his power at the same rate he divides himself. "Sheer numbers" is nothing because each one is as weak as each other one. He is strongest in a single body, and even then, he doesn't have a noble phantasm. Both Kojirou and Cursed Arm Hassan are much deadlier.
>>I'd pay money to see the two Lancer's duel it out, but one was ordered to be nerfed, the other ordered to kill himself.
>>I don't see what the fuck Medusa could do against Ionioi Hetairoi
Pegasus? It's a giant flying behemoth with the power of a dragon (and multiple times the defense of one). Also cursed eyes. Flyby runs petrifying 90% of the army with every go would solve that easy, and Pegasus is stronger than the god bulls.
They just need to take the good characters in FGO and use them in a good setting.
Weaken her mental resistance so she'd succumb to the command spell. Medea only had three command spells, and her plot to make the holy grail into an infinite wish machine required two of them. She couldn't spare a second one to make Saber obey easily, and Saber can resist one command spell with great difficulty.
>Pegasus? It's a giant flying behemoth with the power of a dragon (and multiple times the defense of one). Also cursed eyes. Flyby runs petrifying 90% of the army with every go would solve that easy, and Pegasus is stronger than the god bulls.
And it did nothing. Just because something was 'stronger' does not make it better.
Medea's sadistic tendencies used for fan-service.
Outside of the bath scene in Fate, I don't remember Saber having any more fanservice (you know, except for the H scenes), so I guess they decided to put that in just because.
No I'm pretty sure Medusa will fuck up Alex if she gets the jump on him. It would help if her master was Sakura instead of that fuckboy. He'd be royally fucked if she just looked at him, his Mana is Rank C so he'd get immediately petrified. That's not including her using Bellorphon of he gets lucky enough to use Ionian Hetairoi.
>And it did nothing.
Nigga what it forced Artoria to draw Excalibur on pain of death by magical depletion. With only the defensive benefit of four fortress walls, it was able to overwhelm Excalibur and knock Artoria Alter to an immobile state.
>Just because something was 'stronger' does not make it better.
It's better than the god bulls too. Faster and harder to kill when enhanced with Bellerophon.
You realize Excalibur is, like, one of the most outrageous NPs ever, damage-wise? Pegasus is tanky.
Well i'm talking more about general power than 1 on 1.
1 on 1 everything sans Serious Gil goes to team stay-night. But that's because of match-ups, I'd rather use their general power to say which series had the better servants.
>Lancelot and Heracles are strong for different reasons, so I don't like comparing them.
This. Lancelot is the antithesis to Gilgamesh whereas Gilgamesh is the antithesis to Heracles. Even though they're supposed to be that both Lancelot and Heracles were poorly executed in story.
Heracles much more than almost anyone else, since Nasu wrote himself into a corner and had to resort to idiotic asspulls in the end, which make him seem like a shitter.
Which one are you talking about?
Cursed eye? It slowed down Archer and Saber, both of whom inherently have magic resist due to their fighter class, and a Rider is not one.
I dont think you understand what that word is supposed to mean.
did you mean counter? in which case, that only applies to lancelot and even then gil just needs to be willing to spam more of his shit and not care about being tainted to beat him easily.
also gil is not really a counter to heracles as much as just being one of the few who has enough ways to overcome his god's hand. archer himself could beat heracles if he was just sniping or used UBW(ignore the fate anime one, that wasnt canon)
You're right about alot of things but Gil does mess up Herk, since it takes away his biggest strength of God-hand, while also having access to Enkidu.
And UBW wouldn't help EMIYA that much against Hercules. Maybe he'd take an extra life or two but all it does is speed up his sword creation at the cost of being a huge mana sink.
Archer's caladbolg wasn't enough to hurt Berserker and UBW took 6(?) lives.
Granted, Archer hadn't probably fully recovered, but even so.
But let's be honest, stuff is what Nasu wants it to be, so he could have one kill the other at any point just because.
Whilst we're on the subject of powerlevels, just how useful is Imperial Privilege? I get that Nero managed to use it to become a Saber when she doesn't meet the requirements, but if we take it at face value, just how broken a skill is it:
Imperial Privilege, Rank: EX
The acquisition of skills that one should not possess in a short period of time, due to personal wishes.
Skills available included Riding, Swordsmanship, Artistry, Charisma, Military Tactics, etc. With A rank or above, alteration of the corpus (Divinity etc) was possible.
It could be said to be the ultimate unfair advantage, but it could also be called a form of vanity.
The Roman Emperor was no different from Gods. All skills converged at Rome... no, converge at the Emperor. If the Emperor called white black, then it was black.
However, even so, one could not acquire skills without basis. Since Sabre was a polymath with ample curiosity, she had experience in most of the skills.
Let's say one day Sabre decided "I can pilot a jet! It is nothing, just adjust the plane according to altitude, not too different from the jet chariot I invented!" And just like that, she would figure out how to pilot the plane.
.... but because of her short attention span and headache, she would soon forget what she learned.
EMIYA is such a great song. There's only one bad remix which is 3Rei's because the scenes it were attached to reaked of QUALITY and it was too much on the percussion which didn't give it a feel of its own. Extra verse has my some of my favorite versions but my overall favorite is the Réalta Nua version.
I never understood that. If that wasn't just an HF related asspull to make Shirou look cool then Archer could have killed Berserker in Fate and UBW.
>Whilst we're on the subject of powerlevels
We shouldn't really be. Powerlevels went from "almost anyone can defeat anyone in the right conditions" to FGO's absurdity.
And since almost every servant in FSN has some handicap at any given point, matchups are hard to gauge accurately.
Depending on it's rank it's either okay or really powerful.
Nero's IP in patcular isn't that amazing it allows you to pick up skills and "Do" anything but at the same time it won't hold a candle to specific personal skills and even then, some servants don't even need IP to do things.
IIRC the ranked down version could barely kill a super nerfed Herc. so even Archer wouldn't be able to do much with it. I'd be better off using sniping or cheesing a life with BPs.
What was the Realta Nua excuse to not have H-scenes? I remember Shirou had to fuck Sakura in Heaven's Feel to supply her with mana so she wouldn't break down, did he simply just cuddel with her in RN?
3rei's is a remix of the remix and it barely sounds like the song anymore
>Fire Takeuchi so the #1 cause of Saber wank goes
I'm all for firing the man responsible for the face homogeneity, but not the Saber wank, since she's my favorite.
>And since almost every servant in FSN has some handicap at any given point, matchups are hard to gauge accurately.
Mostly because of the fluctuations and inconsistency.
For instance Heracles is trashed by Caliburn which magically ranks up to A+, but in the Okeanos chapter neither Drake with her NP (A+) or Artemis with her NP (A+ bonus damage to male servants) are capable of doing shit to him until he's baited into touching the Ark.
And then you have him as one of a handful of servants fighting demon pillars alone in the final chapter, with the others being Arjuna and Karna (who made a contest out of it), Enkidu (who's trying to kill Ishtar with friendly fire while at it) and Lancer Alter.
He should really go back to FSN as a whole at one point and re-write half of the things that happen
It's actually pretty good if you pretend all the spin-offs don't exist. Lolicon Happy Hour and Cash Grab Order really bring down the overall quality of the canon. Fate Extra isn't doing it any favors either. Also, remove all Saber clones.
>neither Drake with her NP (A+) or Artemis with her NP (A+ bonus damage to male servants) are capable of doing shit to him
That doesn't really make any sense. God hand only prevents damage below B but he takes full force from anything past that. He should atleast loose a couple of lives to the combined effort of Artemis and Drake's NP"s.
>He should really go back to FSN as a whole at one point and re-write half of the things that happen
FSN isn't the issue (although it could always be improved), the rest is. He should pay attention to the stuff he does, not go back and rewrite stuff to fit the current powerlevels because he's too fucking lazy.
Besides, it's been a long time since stats actually meant something, it's more of a way to know what's A+ and beyond, just to know what you are supposed to marvel at.
He even gave up his chance of the grail to save her.
Kayneth did nothing wrong and was the only one iirc who was actually playing the war correctly
>kiri had iri pretend as the master
>tokiomi hid under the church
>waver stole his original vessel
>caster's focused on civilians
>kirei pretended he was out
Well FGO is super inconsistent with it's powerscaling. Shit like Arjuna being weaker than Scathach, but Arjuna is supposed to be on-par with Karna, but Karna completely dismantles scathach.
shit like that.
Stats only ever meant something when it came to Heracles. We're led to believe that an A++ NP is supposed to have the firepower of taking all 12 at once, but then in another instance a A++ NP isn't capable of killing a servant at all, only heavily injure.
Honestly the concept of God Hand should be scrapped in a re-write, with Nasu saying Heracles doesn't have any NP in berserker class and fights through raw force. And then give him King's Order in every other class.
Scathach is legit garbage though. They're trying to make her something special but every time in the interlude quests she pussies out when Cu wants to fight her. It's getting retarded how hard they're forcing her and giving her attributes of other heroes when legit characters like Arjuna, Achilles or Heracles get seriously underused and underwanked.
>We're led to believe that an A++ NP is supposed to have the firepower of taking all 12 at once
From memory, when Saber fails the Excaliblast against Herc, doesn't Ilya only say that had she been at full strength it MIGHT have been able to take all his remaining lives? So that means at least six, possibly more, but whether it could take all 12 would be unknown.
Get back to having proper Grail Wars. They need to animate the Third Grail War. Proper fights. Basically, like Zero.
No Internet Hacker Moon Wars. No Dystopian Future Pseudo-Wars. No High School Slice of Life Romance Wars.
Just some badass mages from the Association, Church, and the Three Families, summoning actual heroic servants and not just womanized saberface sluts, who kill and murder each other.
Also, bring back the secrecy and investigativeness of the war. Zero was great, except for the first major battle where everyone introduced themselves.
The guys have actual character, which is something Nips don't appreciate or care about so we're not seeing more of them.
It's a big might though, it's never stated how many lives exactly Caliburn was capable of taking. We just know it took 6 with a damage value equal to Excalibur before it broke. It's the little things that are important but never expanded upon, and the materials don't say anything either.
>Get back to having proper Grail Wars.
There was literally only a single "proper" grail war, Zero.
I think if everything was just constant "oh here's a grail war" shit would get old very very quickly, since there are no character arcs, no variantion, just your "villian of the day/week" done 6 or so times until we get a winner.
I think keeping the "it's almost a grai lwar but it's not" is a good thing since it allows more freedom.
>Also, bring back the secrecy and investigativeness of the war.
Strange Fake is your friend. Shame Narita is doing a trillion projects because with a proper studio it would easily be the best Fate.
Make a sequel/expansion to FSN with an Ilya route and a route focusing on the muggles (Issei and Taiga mostly). Stick to the basics, stop grasping at novelty and focus on the characters, themes, and worldbuilding, that made the franchise popular in the first place.
>It's the little things that are important but never expanded upon
I would like to know exactly how much mana Excalibur burns. Saber has a mana deficiency, but even so manages to use prana burst and excaliblast Rider, then get a bit from eating and resting, then spends again, then gets a bit more from Shirou, uses Caliburn to take 7 lives. Could a full Excalibur take all 12? If not can Saber just spam Excalibur?
>Could a full Excalibur take all 12
If Caliburn can't then Excalibur can't either. Ilya says it might, Heracles thinks to himself it couldn't, and Rin thinks it could.
It's a clusterfuck
The Third War was almost a straight-shooter, except for Avenger and the Oops 2 Sabers fuckery. It'd be neat to have the WWII setting for this kind of story, instead of F15 duels over a metro city.
Also some Luvia GMILFs.
Literally WHATEVER they do with the name of this franchise sells buckets, so...what exactly needs to be fixed?
That's like saying Star Wars needs fixing.
They don't. they are perfect printing money machines.
But the Caliburn in question was a projection being used by a mana deprived Saber and Shirou, and Excalibur is an upgrade (divine construct at that) obtained from Fairies, so it's much more powerful.
Then again, things are what Nasu says they are at the time, so, yeah. One moment it could, but not the next.
>It's an Extrafag who's just happy to be here and cant believe his series is getting new games and even an anime after all these years
I'm at least happy with how Fate is going.
I honestly don't care, because holy fuck 2017 is gon b gud.
So somehow (avalon?) Shirou managed to replicate Caliburn but with the power level of the most powerful holy sword made by the fucking planet and they managed to use it be at Excalibur level even though Saber was almost depleted?
Christ, this is a never ending rabbit hole.
You never read the VN did you?
Shirou projects Caliburn and as per usual it's a shitty copy, but because it reunites with the rightful king after so long it ranks up to A+, and the damage it gives out is equal in value to Excalibur, but even if it weren't a copy Caliburn would always break after being used like that.
That will be the last third of movie 2. We're a long ways away, and they're actually relatively short.
GOshitters should shoot themselves if this really turns out to be true.
>anti-waifufags getting triggered about waifu shilling in a waifu game.
Pic very related.
>HF being done the same way ufotable did KnK
>the proper retelling of Extella/Zero and Nero/Tamamo fanservice
>a decently animated story based on a fucking phone game
LOOKS GOOD TO ME M8. Yeah GO was shit, but, we all knew it was going to be. I still had fun with it.
We know about some of the masters (Zouken, Rin's great grandfather, Luvia's great grandmother and Darnic Yggdmillennia), the dual Saber and Avenger shenanigans and the Nazis and the Imperial Army running around, the setting is great and it would be very interesting to see how it develops.
>The guys have actual character, which is something Nips don't appreciate or care about so we're not seeing more of them.
They are as charismatic as a piece of cardboard. Just like 99% of the gender bender waifus in the game. Only reason people say this shit is because they aren't female characters and feel the need to be contrarian faggots.
Yeah, That said that kind of setting makes it a little weird to make a protagonist with a solid story arc, so it'll probably be like zero where it's just a bunch of people flinging shit at eachother to move the plot of the war forward.
>They are as charismatic as a piece of cardboard.
>Heracles appears sane for literally half a chapter in Strange Fake and puts on a better performance in terms of character than Scat through multiple events and an Order
Keep telling yourself that waifufag
>You never read the VN did you?
I did, right after Mirror Moon translated it, so some details are long forgotten.
I'm just surprised that Caliburn could be used at Excalibur's level, even if it breaks with a single use.
The Boogeyman. Assassin.
A shapeshifting spirit, nightmare to all naughty children, feared worldwide with a hundred names.
>El Cid (still surprised we haven't seen him, he's even got 2 fancy named swords).
>Jacques Cousteau (would be funny like Edison)
>Samson (would make a great Berserker)
>Ivar the Boneless (not the faggy Vikings t.v. version but the historical one).
I can't wait to hear Shinji scream "I'M ONLY 10 YEARS OLD".
Also waifu shenanigans. <3