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Subs fucking never edition.
Talk about this grave injustice fags and have all the fun you can in doing until our torture.
/pol/ your welcome only until subs drop, then fuck off. please
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Is there any indication of what is happening to the Empire's overseas territories in the war? IRL Japan was stealing Germany's islands, while and British South Africa was screwing around with German East Africa and German Southwest Africa.
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Don't touch my wife.
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>edition
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>>153309036
I don't make a habit out of it, don't worry
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>tfw no Tanya to return Prussia to Germany.
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>>153308949
your wife is a 40 year old dude.
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I was reading the manga raws.

The english scanslation is missing like 4 pages in volume 1 alone. And I don't mean tank only extra pages.

How does one fuck up so much?
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>>153309109
True, true, my mistake anon
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>>153309095
she got vagina.
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>>153309157

Can you share where these raws are?
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>>153308949
Post the other one
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>>153309199
and a chest so flat you can play chess on it
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>>153309211
Nyaa.
Youjo Senki v01
(一般コミック) [カルロ・ゼン×東條チカ] 幼女戦記 第02-03巻
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Anybody got the raw episode 6?
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>>153309349
nyaa
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>lul why bother fansubbing when CR will just do our work anyways
>CR drops the ball
>nobody gets to watch the anime

10/10 a+ job to everyone (not) involved
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>defiling a corpe
Libertarian huh.
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>edition
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>>153309442
>People get mad over Tanya shooting a corpse
>Nobody gets mad over anyone shooting a zombie.
Tanya's just being proactive. Who knows what eldritch necromancy this alternate world has.
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I'd just like to remind people that SUBS WHEN was more frequent under the Cartel than under the CrunchyFuni hegemony.
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MY SUBS WHEN
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ちなみに, did she piss herself here?
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we gassing being x tonight lads
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grown up Tanya when?
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>>153309244
flat doesn't sag.
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Usually I wouldn't post something this autistic and bad but we're already in hell so why not?Here is that text completed.

I was day dreaming last night about how in that world America failed the first Revolutionary war and has now come back during the Industrial Age instead.
Imagine, the Revolutionary War, WW1 and WW2 all rolled into one over the span of 50 years.
I daydreamed that instead of Philadelphia these new founding fathers birthed the Capital in the Cuban/Puerto Rican islands and named it Pendragon (code geass reference) and extended all the way into Canada. The Washington-equivalent would be this awesome war leader that is also reincarnated from the future cause being X wants Tanya to have a rival. Have this guy be a mage AND a computation jewel inventor and have the most terrifying rig that makes Tanya go blue in the face once she sees it's power and speed.
Have her in season 2 then 3 growing older and sexier into a literal Fem-Hitler, the Collectivist Meritocracy of not-Germany vs the Individualist Meritocracy of not-America then at the climax have her and not-Washington face off and have her ass handed to her a humiliated Light Yagami style.
Have not-America partner with Japan and have their flag be Japan's old WW2 (pic) one plus blue stripes and stars imagine if a America where the writing system was English but spoken Japanese.

The -idea- of America is so strong that not even losing the first Revolutionary war can defeat it, it just comes back under a different name. Just this time in the Industrial age and with Meritocracy to rival the Empire.
I stood up at this point and shouted "Thats so fucking cool" to myself. Haha maybe I'll right a fanfic after the series is over. Haha
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>>153309707
Season 25
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>tfw no subs
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>>153309687
Nah, she came
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>>153309707
>cake tanya
MUH
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>>153309713
but you cant do anything with flat.
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>>153309750
leaked image of cake tanya
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>>153309741
>subs no tfw
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So this is what happens when a popular show doesn't get subs. I kind of want this to happen more often.
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>>153309730
I don't know how to react to this post
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subs never

why did I even bother starting this show
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>>153309750
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>>153309852
I wish to be called a faggot in the most unique of ways anon. Ready
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>>153309827
I don't want to suffer anymore
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>>153309730
pretty elaborate b8 you got here
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>>153309892
I literally have mix feelings, like yeah, what a faggot but again you typed all that thing up and you seem quite eager about it and now I don't wanna make you feel bad so...yeah, mixed feelings.
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>>153309730
Hey phil
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>>153309892
Not him, but you're definitely a faggot. Why do dream journalfags think that anyone cares about the fantasy land that goes on in their heads to the point that they feel the need to actually write this shit out and tell us about your fantasies? It's like shipping fanfic except somehow even stupider.
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>>153309827
Why must you feed from our suffering
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>>153309892
You're free to write up whatever you like anon, just don't post it here.
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>>153309730
>The -idea- of America is so strong that not even losing the first Revolutionary war can defeat it, it just comes back under a different name
The "idea" of America doesn't need to fight a revolutionary war to be realized. You'd probably just be given more and more autonomy and eventual full independence for free like the Dominions were.
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where the subs at guys
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Subs just out.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:X5EHP5RDH6ABN4LFQCHXT3B2JVYV2VAT&tr=http://open.nyaatorrents.info:6544/announce&tr=udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce&tr=udp://tracker.coppersurfer.tk:6969/announce
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>>153309992
It worked for LN writers. Unfortunately.
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>>153310047
I'm not downloading gay porn again, nice try.
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>>153310047
Don't lie to us
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>>153310064
why are LN so unreadable? I couldn't even finish Haruhi vol 1
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>>153310064
Don't worry, I call them all faggots too, and tell everyone who enjoys their schlop to off themselves.
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>>153309935
I know right? I'm unreasonably proud
>>153309992
The threads already on fire is why. Just figured WHY NOT post my half baked spasta?
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>ywn die so that your daughter will become the only one capable of challenging the best soldier in the Imperial Army
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>Tanya have a CM3D2 model
Time to lewd
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自分達が戦場のヴァルキリープロファイルの廉価コピーを作っている事に全く気が付いて無い、やってる事は韓国や中国の廉価コピーよりさらに下、彼らの使ってるシステムはガンパレードマーチ
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>>153310047
>>153310047
>magnet:?xt=urn:btih:X5EHP5RDH6ABN4LFQCHXT3B2JVYV2VAT&tr=http://open.nyaatorrents.info:6544/announce&tr=udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce&tr=udp://tracker.coppersurfer.tk:6969/announce
That's episode 5
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>>153310123
pretty sure she dies too
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>>153310176
Ya think?
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>>153310163
どいうこと?
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>>153310176
you're supposed to play along and give false hope to the maggots, only to have it crushed
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So what the fucks up with this censoring shit? No way they delayed it because of the dead guy getting shot, right?
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anyone knows how to make rss work with utorrent? I used to used qbittorrent but it literally almost killed my hard drive so now I have no idea how to make rss work on utorrent. help plox
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>>153310272
俺はもうそのレスを三回読んでも意味がさっぱりわからんww
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>>153310338
>utorrent
enjoy your botnet.
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>>153310364
あぁぁ、あの感じね
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>>153310518
いや、でもわかっているふりなんかしていないよ
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>>153310140
>Bottom right
>That pose
>That expression
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>>153308775
can someone call daiz back, we need to persecute this faggot for falsely claiming he subs shit.

Youjo senki exposed horrible subs as illegal rippers
#horriblesubs_exposed
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>>153309730
This is elaborate bait. You deserve atleast two (you)`s for your effort from me
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>>153310791
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>>153309813
perfection
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>>153309730
>anons are this confused and distressed about no subs that they are literally going insane
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Done a draft of the japanese subs which anon from last thread asked (based on the raw's audio), since it's machine-transcribed it's not grammatically correct obviously, but I've to go so I'll post the progress here:
http://pastebin.com/Lycgie28

There're timecodes too, if nobody else releases the subs by the time I get back then I'll try fixing the transcription. I'll be counting on you lurkers' support too.
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>>153311057
We just really want our nazi lolis....

Truly, its a wonder that there is a market for such feels.
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>>153311063
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>>153311063
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>>153311063
>machine translated shit
Oh fuck off
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>>153311063
so useful..., wait, no, the opposite of that.
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>>153311288
its not machine translation, its machine transcribed. Speech to text conversion like when you talk to Siri.

the text is still Japanese. but you can run it through machine translation now.
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>>153311358
>Machine transcription in a language that has one tenth the discrete homophones English has
I can't even begin to describe how stupid this is.
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>>153310518
>723x1023
Ahh so that's how it is?

>she doesn't get it at all
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>>153311358
>that gibberish
>japanese
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>>153311402
Bad Jap is still Jap
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>>153311463
No it's not. It completely loses all meaning.
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>>153311463
That's not even bad Jap. It's literally gibberish.
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What are you doing NUT? just ask your madhouse senpai for help.
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>>153311494
>no true jap fallacy
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>>153311553
>Retards machine translate LNs or LN related media and pretend they have anything even resembling comprehension of it
Dankest fucking meme
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>>153311553
You're a retard
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>>153311063
>縺昴%縺檎岼遶九▲縺

How the fuck do you pronounce ▲?
This shit looks more like chinese than japanese. Romanji would have been enough.
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>>153311599
>actually learning inferior asian mumbo jumbo

Machine translation will get good enough that we won't even need translators soon.
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>>153310911
Yum yum
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>>153311661
i think it's pronounced "triangle"
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>>153311695
>Actually believing this at all
Or you could try not being a retard and opening a book.
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>>153311704
How do you pronounce it differently from ▸?
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>>153311661
delta?
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Maybe our world is such a shitty place because "god" wanted to teach someone a lesson and we are all just pawns in this silly petty game.
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>>153311736
>>153311704

Why did it generate that character instead of デルタ or something sounding like "triangle".
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>>153311725
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE&list=PL9987A659670D60E0&index=2
This is pretty handy as well
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>>153311805
because delta is an unfilled triangle
Δ
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>>153310163
>>153310272
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>>153311873
Namasensei is kind of a fun way to start learning hiragana, but if you want to get real work done you should really open up the genki books and start studying.
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So I just started watching. Blew through the first four episodes. I am in love with this show.

Subs tonight? Was planning to save episode 5 for later, but if 6 is coming out tonight, then...
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>>153309690
GAS GAS GAS
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>>153310577
>>153310518
>>153310364
>>153310272
>>153310163
Start making subs
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>>153311704
kek
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>>153311997
すまん、今はちょっと忙しくて出来ない。しかもCRはもうすぐに字幕を完成するはずなんだけど今回は遠慮しときます
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>>153312090
I'll overlook it this one time
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>>153311997
いいえ
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>>153311906
>This is pretty handy
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>>153312143
>いいえ
It takes all that to make a simple No? no wonder the language is dying
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>>153309827
Yea pls no
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>>153312188
here's an easier way ノー
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>>153312133
Uh, thanks?

>>153312188
I'm a fan of a quick いや
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>>153311873
Check out kanjidamage and it's anki deck
And learn the kana with wanikani's mnemonics
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>>153309730
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>>153312188
You can also say ううん
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Still no translation... How long must i suffer in this moonrune board?
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>>153312322
or just 否
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>>153312306
ALOT of autism my friend.
Is it even possible to be a westaboo while being a westerner, cause thats what I am.
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>>153311997
お金があるのですか
ありませんなら放っておけ
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>>153309095

His wife has the MIND of a 40 year old dude, but the body of a REAL woman.

In other words perfection.
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>>153312548
帰って、このユダヤ人目
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>>153312553
So real she's an anime character
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>>153309987
anon you just made me remember how much i miss overlord and how it won't be until a while that we'll get the next vol ;_;
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>>153312776
Are there as much LN translations of Overlord as there are of Youjo Senki?...

Because if it ends in one novel like that god damn teaser as before, whats the point?
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>>153312916
Overlord has 6-7 volumes translated. Been awhile since I checked, so possibly more.
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>>153312916
The last couple volumes have been translated basically as soon as they came out. Better quality than the Youjo Senki TL too.
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>>153312996
There are 11 volumes translated. The translation caught up with the LN.
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>>153312996
Eleven volumes are translated now.
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>>153312996
I'm not sure if you're are asking if there are different translations or if it has many volumes.

but overlord is at vol 11 now, vol 12 is next but we still don't know when in 2017 will it be out
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>>153310140
Post your lewds
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>>153311063
The encoding is fucked. Tried switching to various encoding and it's still jibberish.
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>>153313054
I was going fucking crosseyed from the TL on Youjo Senki. Long monologues fan translations make for some shitty reads.
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みんなはだめ!

フワイトピッグ go home
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>>153313170
oh fugg you're right, I fucked up the encoding while merging the srt files (I was transcribed it in 3 parts).

The first line is supposed to be:
>南方管区の報告では
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>>153313319
Fix it then stick it on google docs with commenting enabled and maaaybe I'll translate a few lines.
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その目誰の目
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>subs are going to be out this day
20 minutes
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Subs are out.
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Official thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8
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>>153313715
WHERE?

please
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>>153313775
reddit.youkisubsrout.how,ru
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>>153313775
Crunchyroll, probably. Wait for HS.
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it's fucking saturday where i live, CR fucking shits saying later today lied to me
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>>153313675
Dont tease me bro...
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>still no subs
Surely Being X is behind this.
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What's taking horriblesubs so long to sub it? It's been hours now
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>>153313775
post your email and I'll send it to you
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So I read in the previous threads that Daiz is somehow involved in this? Can someone tell me more?
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>>153313987
Or you're just paranoid
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>>153313377
srt or ass? which format do you prefer?
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>>153314027
Doesn't make a difference? As long as I can edit it on docs.
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>>153314017
Daiz personally petitioned CR to drop the show
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>>153314027
Usually I'm a tits man, but I'll take ass in this instance since I don't think I can fuck a srt.
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>>153314092
Seriously?
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>>153313990
This is bait
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Who is that
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>>153314125
You sir are very wrong. Super Rough Tits can be fucked
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>production issues
Uh-huh
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>>153314129
And he plans to further pressure the nut to stop producing the show, or at least worsen delays
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>>153314260
Seriously I think you're full of shit so I humbly request that you provide suace
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>somebody in CR got triggered by this episode
I hope we get to see Tanya shit on Mary's father.
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>>153314309
Daiz is a mad man, he has to be stopped.
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>Still no subs

This makes me sad.
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>>153314092
That's a step above from making them give it memesubs.
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>>153314338
That isn't sauce
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Reminder that next week is a recap episode too. Somebody at the studio fucked up.

http://youjo-senki.jp/news/
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No subs huh?
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>>153314456
I'm just wondering what they'll have to gut thanks to the fucking recap episode.
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Maybe I'll go to djt and beg a nipsavvy fag come over here, watch the raw, and write down the translation organized under 30 minute slices.

S-someone talk me out of it
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>>153314531
Do it
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Let's summon Daiz.
>hi10p
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ITT: fags who weren't around when "SUBS NEVER" wasn't a meme
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>>153314531
いってらっしゃい
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>>153314563
That's not talking me out of it anon...
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>>153314531
Go find someone. We believe in you /a/non.
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>>153314573
God, I mean Being X, lolis are disgusting.
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>>153314573
a few years ago i waited 2 months for subs uphill in snow both ways!
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>>153314633
Take that back
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Why doesn't anime have closed caption anyway?
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>>153314633
I'll fuck you up.
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>AT-X show
>subs this late
This is the pay-crunchy world you wanted, /a/.
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the episode is just basically the big wigs deciding to deploy the V600 into the real front lines, norden recognizing that the empire are deploying named units, norden intel picking up and attempting to gather intel on the imperial mobile mage batallion, and being x dicking around, isn't it?
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>>153314728
And they're censoring it just for us. How nice.
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s-subssss...s..subs..
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>>153314760
>censoring
To be fair they're doing that for a lot of things on the JP end as well, aren't they? Like how in Monster Musume they're censoring lactation and stuff in reprints, among other issues.
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>>153314760
>Censoring it just for us
What.
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>>153314774
がんばってアノンさん
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>>153314760
Literally nothing to censor in this show.
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>>153314825
It's why it's taking so long.
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>>153314728
Except no one wanted it
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>>153314834
Tanya probably gave a live abortion
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>>153314760
>>153314805
>>153314825
Why does this occur? Why is it allowed to occur?
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>>153314832
I can't do it anon, I only know 20 kanji including the 10 numbers
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>>153312776
Just hanging there, it will come out in just a few months
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>>153314846
The irony
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>>153314760
I wouldn't doubt it
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>>153314933
Which American city are these two fine African American citizens based in? And why are they performing an inspection on that lock in that manner?
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>>153314865
Over the years, I've browsed way too many threads defending "financial support" via "official" sources like crunchy,

I understand the ideology, but we're probably better off with a handful of faggots subbing this shit for free. I'd rather nostalgic trollsubs than waiting on shitty "official" subs from paid sites.
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>>153314988
I'd say Chiraq, but they're actually bothering to pick the lock rather than straight up home invasion.
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>>153315184
Well if they do censor it we have the raws so we can just past their sub over it.
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Why are we still here?
Just to suffer?
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>>153315336
Suffering brings us together, anon.
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>>153315302
I think you replied to the wrong post, anon.
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>>153314846
Given that we're getting a recap episode next week, likely there are major production issues going on. CR probably didn't have the episode until right before it was ready to air in Japan.
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>>153314069
ok I found the cause of the encoding screw-up, it's mkvextract that does it during extraction, I'm trying to understand why this happens, I've never used characters other than latin before so I can't fix it right away.
If anyone knows a way to extract the subs without screwing up the encoding, here is the mks file:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/96rhzx

To try it, put within same folder as the raw and rename it the same as the raw.

About why I can only have it mks, that is because the file is originally divided in 3 parts 8 minutes each, which I mux (appending) together with 3 dummy videos of the same duration in order to merge them and get the subs' timing fixed automatically (because each of the 3 files starts at 00:00:00 otherwise), here the problem begins because I cannot find a way to extract the subs track from this merged 24 min file without screwing it up.

For anyone who knows a better way of merging subtitles, here are the 3 srt files:
http://pastebin.com/T9jc2K2i
http://pastebin.com/X5Pp2bUs
http://pastebin.com/W9iyjS1E

I'll try searching a solution in the meantime, no bully pls.
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>yfw this is a ploy by Being X to make us praise him in exchange for subs
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New to anime industry here. Are Nips retarded? Why not make the entire season and then release the episode? Why make a time limit to botch the quality of the animation when you can take your time with each episode and safely air them once a week? This way the animators will be doing their job stress free and they can move on when the show is done.
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praise god and all his subtitles
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>>153315446
Being X and Diaz will stop you now!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20PwaJYcnuk
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>>153315441
>Are Nips retarded?
It's a struggle every week to get the episode in on time. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.
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>>153315441

There will still be a deadline won't there? You have to book the broadcasting times and all.

All you're doing is insisting that they follow a tighter schedule.
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>>153315441
You're either one of the immortal summerfags, or trolling.
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>>153315441
i suggest you to watch shirobako for a base knowledge. So far the only anime that i am aware followed that trend is Re:life.
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>>153315441
Producing a show earlier doesn't change anything unless you spend more time on it. And more time spent on it means more money spent on it. And less time to produce other shows, which is also less money.
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>>153309713
>2D tits sag
Kek
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>>153315384
At this point I'm about to turn to hermeticism to get anything.
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Does being a girl affect his mentality at all?

Like is he now attracted to guy or is he just gonna have to be a lesbo?
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>>153315650
uhmm, i think it depends on if it helps him/her leading a good life. Given his/her personality
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>>153315650
I'd imagine he'd be abstinate seems like in his previous life and new one he really doesn't give a shit about much.
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>>153315650
I'm sure hormones would be a thing, I believe it's only his memories that were retained through reincarnation.
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>>153315650
>Like is he now attracted to guy or is he just gonna have to be a lesbo?
I think Tanya was a career-focused asexual in her previous life. Odds are she remains such.

But who knows. Maybe going through puberty, again, will affect some kind of change in her sexuality.
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>>153315650
>bitter wageslave
>be reborn as the little girl
>join the military of the glorious empire
>be sadistic military elite as the little girl
>tfw
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>>153315707

A good life requires the fulfilment of sexual needs. Once Tanya hits puberty she will need to find the most efficient way to enjoy a good sexual life.

Likely with her coffee machine. Perhaps yuri-marriage is acceptable in this world. If not, an exception can surely be made for the heroine of the fatherland.
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>>153315441
>Why make a time limit to botch the quality of the animation
Because in the real world when people are being paid to do things they can't take an infinitely long amount of time to do them.

Note that the real world apparently does not include early access video games or anything crowdfunded.

It's not like they animate one episode a week, just that if any one part falls behind that delays everything.
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>>153315742
This I'd imagine this dude is some kind of sociopath, asexual, vanity ridden man.
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>>153315742
>>153315650
She does get weird Freudian dreams about Sebbie.
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>>153315650
memories of a man inside the genetic brain of a girl. gender disphoria is going to hit hard once the estrogen from puberty starts kicking in
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THEY'RE OUT!
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>>153315441
Because it reduces chance of episodes being leaked.
Additionally, the network can cancel the show mid season if shit goes south.
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>>153315650
I thought about it, his ambition definitely suggests if he had to be with someone he'd probably go with a man. I guess I'm assuming how social conventions work in the empire but it's probably no different than how it was in our universe.
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>>153315783
>>153315581
>>153315518
Yes but the point is that if something falls behind we don't have to sit here suffering. They fall behind on an episode well good thing that it's not airing. When it does air and they end up not being done only then can they continue animating while we watch the finished episodes.
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>>153315828
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>>153315828
Nice inspect element, faggot.
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>Due to production issues, episode 6 will be delayed until later in the day
>over 12 hours later nothing

Curse you sonzai ekkusu I want my glorious empire loli
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>>153315828
wow, you just photoshoped a 6 in the 5, congrats, have a cookie
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The only reason I'm even slightly interested in this show is Aoi Yuuki.

How is she
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>>153315441
the ep came out on time, its CR that dropped the ball with the subs
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>>153315905
Her performance, both in the ending and the show itself, are fantastic.
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>>153315911
Explain the recap episode
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>>153315905
Smug ass loli fits her great
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>>153315828
How dare you play with my heart!
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>>153315911

It is possible they got it late. Its also possible they can't say so to avoid looking like they're blaming the studio

Either way. They look bad. CR forums have people asking why they're paying for this shit.
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So why Russian, Chinese and even Spics released the subs already, but CR still can't release it? i don't see it's so hard to translate.
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>>153315828
(You)
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>>153315851
What are you even attempting to say
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>>153315828
Got me to look.

Here's your (You).
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>>153314882
why would you learn kanji before katakana and hiragana?
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>>153316036
Because masochist
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>>153316036
Hiragana and katakana are a given for any weeb

"Ganbatte anon san"
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>>153316024
the episode aired in japan, the raw is in nyaa, is just CR and the subs
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>>153316024
Do you think CR magically translates shows instantly? Normally they get episodes early so they can translate them before they air, if the episode barely made air they're up shit creek.
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What are they saying...
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>>153316024
someone's braindead
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>>153315905
Forever my throat-waifu.
She does smug/crazy so well.
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its out
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Someone translate the spic subs
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>>153316106
that they're done
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>>153316154
Oi he's right
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>>153315966
the raw came out 17 and a half hours ago
why hasn't their professional TL team managed to get it out in that time?
some of the better fansub groups put out higher quality releases in less than half that time
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>>153316154
>>153316164
How long does it take for horrible to rip that shit usually?
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It's out now bois
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>>153315968
The prevalence of CR basically gutted the english-speaking fagsub community. All that remains today is the gayest of the english speaking fansubbers. And they're focused on shows CR _doesn't_ pick up.
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>>153316154
>>153316164
CONFIRMED
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>>153316164
God bless america
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>>153316164
banzai
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oh shit its actually here
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>>153316154
>>153316164
FINALLY
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>>153316205
I still can't watch it until rip
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>>153316185

Perhaps their pro team needs 48 hours or more? They do 8 hour work days and go home without overtime?
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OUT ON HS, 480p
IT'S TIME, BOIS
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>>153316164
>>153316154
What did they censor anyway? If it's gyped too much I'll just watch raws afterwards
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It's on
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>>153316024
If the production is running into problems and they are at the stage where Meowmori is delivering the tapes by hand to the station literally minutes before broadcast, then it's possible the episode wasn't sent to Crunchy on time either, so they couldn't do the translation, timing, typesetting etc in time.
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NYEEEESSSSSSS
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>>153316186

480p is out.
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>>153316237
laterz, torrent peasant, watching it on 1080p :P
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480p out
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>>153316237
720 NOW!
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>>153316241
dead pilot getting shot allegedly
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>>153314728
>>153314865
>No one wanted it

>>153316154
>>153316164
>>153316176
>>153316194
>>153316202
>>153316205
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>mfw it's not available on XDCC yet
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>>153316194
RIP IT FAGGET
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I promise to seed for my felllow anons. Currently doing 100 kbps.
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720 out
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Oi are subs out yet?
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www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=898139

NAISE
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720p!!!!!
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>>153316328
I know, but it's always like this.
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I will seed for you all.
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>>153316368
Seeding at 1mbps
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>>153316328
But it is, anon. Are you somewhere other than rizon?
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>>153316435
There it is. Just had to refresh every 5 seconds.
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1080 is out
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>>153316368
I will seed your mum's snatch, batty boy.
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>>153316461
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So is it censored?
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>>153316493
What's wrong with 1080?
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I'm curious to see if the censorship shit is true.
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Fucking took them long enough
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>>153316328
>>153316403
>>153316458
Don't rely on their packlist. Just pay attention to prominent bots on news & nibl when you know an overdue release just hit distro.
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>>153316524
It's because 1080p is an upscale. That being said, I heard it's not uncommon for the 1080p upscale to be the only thing Crunchy gets, so then they have to downscale to 720p and 480p. Ironically, 1080p might be the best quality for some shows despite it being an upscale.
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Cute Mary Sue.
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pls seed
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>>153316530
Haven't seen the raws, what would they censor? In episode 2 they guys arms were shrouded in black a bit but that's it
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SUBS OUT
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>>153316524
Posts like this are more entertaining than the show itself. After years of bashing our heads against the wall, HS 1080p batches are still the most popular torrents on certain private trackers. To be fair though, freeleech likely plays a factor in that.
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>>153315384
I'm retarded, I opened the file in subtitleedit and saved as srt with no problems:
http://pastebin.com/V1y0pKMS

It's useless now so.. whatever.
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>>153316493
>filename
Kek
Ok I'm renaming my image to have this filename. Good form.
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>>153316669
Points for valor, but the HS releases are finally out now.
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what a smug
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>>153316573
I'd marry that Sue
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>>153316419

Your dick is 10x mine!
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Minna-san!

The episode is already out! Let's watch it on gogoanime.io desu!

Arigatou!
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>>153316981
B-But anon-san, I checked and it's not there! What should I do?!
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I'm sure Tanya will be a great mother, teaching her son or daughter the values of being at the top and doing everything with perfection.

der Wille zur Macht!
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>>153317069
Ma-Masaka!

I must tell gogoanime-san about this matter!
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Worth the wait, always a good feeling when you think the episode was too short. is this tanyas friend?
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>>153317110
How would tanya deal with her dripping wet hot days when she gets older?
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>>153316648
posts like this make not want to seed.
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>>153317115
Arigatou gozaimasu anon-san!
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>>153317138
It's mary sue, she think tanya is her nemesis.
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>>153317138
Father's name is Something Sue.
Her first name is Marie.
Figure the rest out.
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>>153317138
Yes, also his father gets to be a good friend of tanya
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Gonna be interesting to see Tanya go up against the guy from her first mission again.
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>that post-ed scene
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>>153317252
What
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>>153315597
>hasn't watched konosuba
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>>153308775
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
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>>153317110
>daughter: mama I want to enlist in military just like you!
>Tanya: and?
>daughter: I want to serve our Vaterland
>Tanya: That's not enough you shitter, go back to your room and come back again when you decided to be a Reichsmarschall
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>>153317252
>>153317290
>"I hate second hand smoke."
>"The fuck is second hand smoke?"
>ALL THE SECOND HAND SMOKE
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>>153309758
It's like gays liking other men. Some men prefer flat chests on a woman.
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>>153317110
>Tanya is giving birth
>curses being X the entire time through
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BRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP
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>>153308775
Hey I just checked and it looks like the subs are out. Rejoice!
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Sasuga notFrance.
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>>153317490
You're late
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mfw potato masher
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>>153317138
>Mary Sue
Her name is already a joke.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2G5C5wO5ko
being x dedicated to tanya
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>>153317110
Tanya swear that she will prohibit her children from entering the military in the end of WN
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>>153317575
That scene made me giggle
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>>153317525
>No retreat toggle is off
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Let's assume you are Being X now, what would you do with your new powers?
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>>153317692
make myself into a nazi loli, what else?
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>>153317692
Rape Tanya mentally.
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This face.
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>>153317692
Make Tanya's coffee bitter
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>>153317692
Return to being a vindictive bastard and give more rain to Cali. Basically do everything to disprove leftist science.
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>>153317692
just brainwash tanya to become a devout believer. problem solved. no more weekly episodes.
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IS IT CENSORED I NEED TO KNOW!
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>>153317656
I don't know shit about these grenades but aren't they fuse based? So would the pilot/gunner have enough time to throw it out of the plane?
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>>153317290
I can confirm this is exactly what happens when more than 2 officers gather in one place.
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>>153317692
Become a dense as fuck TUEEEE adventurer and made myself a harem like the isekai template.
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Fuck, this was delicious. And too short. But delicious.
Fucking devil fucking with tanya. This is gonna be good.
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>>153317761
I-I was in that thread too
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>>153317692
Impregnate Tanya and force her to give birth to a race of ubermensch futas. Have them fight for the glory of the empire.
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I AM SORRY GUYS
I HAD TO REMIND YOU
Next Ep is a recap, enjoy the waiting
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de Gaulle
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>>153317838
If I have the time I think I could translate a few volume 2 chapters after this episode.
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>>153317781
If they had the presence of mind for that, yeah. Maybe, some handgrenades allowed you to adjust the fuse lenght. There's also pre-cooking.
I honestly thought for a second that Tanya would just bayonett these fucks.
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>>153317645
Really? What a caring mom she is.
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>>153317876
Nice.
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>>153317876

Thank Being X all 7 vols are out. You can probably do a better job than I. I need jisho.org open as I read it.
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>>153317838
It's alright, I'll just marathon all the episodes again for more tanya
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>>153317857
Pie-ru Michel do ru-go
Phil Michael d' Rouge
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>>153317876
I will suck your dick for eternity
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>>153317958
>when she see your dick.
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>norden government is literally the mafia

kek.
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>>153317190
pls don't seed then. upscales are bad, m'kay?
>summon_daiz.png
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>ピエール= ミシェル・ド・ルーゴ Pierre-Michelle de Lugo
>ピエール=マリ・ド・ゴール Pierre-Marie de Gaulle
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>>153318138
>>153317972
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Lolis hate smoking.
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how am i supposed to live for the next 2 weeks
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>>153318182
>yfw japs stop buying BDs because they hate smoker shaming
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>>153308775
Only if you go back to your subreddit
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>>153318268
they're spiteful enough to do that too
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>>153318268
Don't most anime at most have one smoker? And usually ones not doing so well in society while in Youjo Senki smokers are top tier.
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>>153318165
I am bad at romanizing katakana.
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>>153317958
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Im surprised how good this show turned out
Id say aots
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>You will never Fedora Tip to the face of God so hard you become Magical Girl Hitler.
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>>153308949
>wife.
You mean husbando
But hey if you want to marry a 40-year-old Japanese salaryman, that's on you.
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>>153318315
People in the military smoke. They just do. It was more of an army joke than tobacco bashing but sometimes japs go full retard on these topics.
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>>153318315

In those days pretty much everyone smoked, it'd be weird if the top brass didn't.
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>>153315492
I remember it happened twice with KLK
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CR episodes went down from 13 to 12.

What does this mean?
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>>153318464
No subs for last episode.
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>>153318369
We still don't know if Being X is actually god or the devil. Or something else entirely.
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>>153318464
studio have no more budget
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>>153317958
Could she just project an oxygen mask around her face like they do when they're at high altitudes?
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>>153316186
>>153316202
>>153316205
>>153316218
>>153316224
>>153316241
>The one time we admit Crunchyroll has its fucking place
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>>153318391
it's a 40-year-old japanese salaryman (military loli) so it's not gay
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>>153318486
Just an alien officer of a fallen empire's earth observation station.
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>>153318315
>Don't most anime at most have one smoker? And usually ones not doing so well in society while in Youjo Senki smokers are top tier.
The thing with the military, is that tobacco is part of the ration in war. So if you do smoke, you don't have a reason not to. While the few who don't just trade their tobacco ration for other things.
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Hey guys subs are out! yorokobe!
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>>153318427
I don't.
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So, is this the only episode so far where Tanya hasn't totally FUCKED himself over in some way shape or form?
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>>153318561

You're from fucking 1920? holy shit.
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>>153318579
Someone from the future grab me here.
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>>153316241
>actually thinking anything got censored
It's because of dumbfucks like you we have a president who literally pretends he can speak Japanese because he doesn't know how to use his translator earpiece
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Man, this show really picks up nicely this episode. Shit is getting real.
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>>153318422
>People in the military smoke. They just do.

Source: My ass

What are you, 12? When you have to run and do PT everyday before work, smoking tends to be a bit less desirable, so most people in the military don't smoke.

There's also this thing called dip, you filthy fucking civilian.
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>>153318576

>tanya

>himself
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>>153318622
Damn Daiz got a nice position
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>>153318427
I'm pretty sure smoking is killing Italy in the present day. Not sure about Germany.
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>>153318642

I was in the armor battallion and they smoke all day every day. Most of the men, the majority of the specs, ALL the commissioned officers.

hated that 2nd hand smoke
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>>153318670
Tanya identifies as a salaryman.
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>>153318422
>People in the military smoke. They just do.
t. Hollywood
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>>153318642
>not smoking while doing morning pt

this kid is never going to be a gunnery sgt.
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>>153318705
>identifies

she could identify as anything she wants when i deflower her
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>>153318705
doesn't matter
he's a genetic female loli now whether she likes it or not
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Are we getting season finale? On mal, next week's episode is considered a recap special
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>>153318642
>In 2005, the smoking rate of military personnel was found to be 32.2%, compared to the civilian rate of 21%.

>The higher smoking rate suggests that certain aspects of military may foster smoking. These factors include peer influence, combat stress, boredom, and easy access to cheap tobacco products.

>Another factor that may lead to increased tobacco use is deployment. One study found that among nonsmokers, smoking initiation was observed in 1.3% of nondeployed personnel while 2.3% were observed in deployed personnel. Among past smokers, resumption of smoking occurred in 28.7% of non deployed personnel and 39.4% of deployed personnel, while smoking increased 44% among the former and 57% among the latter. US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have been reported to smoke at twice the rate of other Americans.

>Even after leaving the service, many veterans continue to smoke as the prevalence of smoking among veterans has been reported to be 27% during 2003 to 2007, and military smoking is strongly associated with increased lifelong cigarette consumption.

>Such high levels of smoking have led to significant costs to the Department of Defense. The costs of smoking among US military health care system beneficiaries have been estimated to be more than $900 million per year in 1995, with $584 million in direct health care costs and $346 million in lost productivity among active duty personnel.

>Suicide, which accounts for 13% of fatalities in the military, has also been tied to smoking, as the risk of suicide among military men was found to increase significantly with the number of cigarettes smoked daily.

>Smoking also affects training costs as smokers are more likely to be discharged during training, and are associated with $18 million per year in excess training costs for the US Air Force, and over $130 million per year for all service branches.
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>>153318642
Maybe in pancy nations of Gayropean Caliphate they don't. Japan and Korea have smoking rates among the highest in the world and I assure you that the military, especially the officers, smoke more than civilians.

>>153318714
I was demobilized a year ago.
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>>153318705
No, Tanya is attack helicopter.
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>>153318808
She's more of a high-performance prototype fighter jet, don't'cha think?
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>>153318827
>high-performance
>fighter jet
Fighter jet can't loiter, and Tanya can't supercruise or engage at BVR
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>>153318827
>can hover
>can't reach high altitudes
Mages are helicopters. Tanya is a prototype gunship.
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>>153318808
She hasn't gone faster than 500kmh, that is pretty slow for any jet.
Also jets can't loiter
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>>153318827
She's a VTOL
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This episode feels really rough around the edges. No wonder it was delayed.
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>>153318782

>Fuck
>Fuck
>Fuck
>Fuck
>Fuck
>FUCK

Well Fuck.
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>>153318904
I watch it live at normal time.
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>>153318904
>these itty bitty titties
So she does grow a bit later on?
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>>153318928
the studio most likely finished it so late that they couldn't hand it off to Crunchyroll earlier

that's my best guess anyways
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>>153318941
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So wait, we lost two episodes? 12 episodes including a 6.5?

Does that means second season?
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>>153318974
>Madhouse
>second season
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>>153318974
2nd season never
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>>153318941
Yeah she does but we need like 2 more seasons to see it
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>>153318984
Wait, I thought NUT was made because the employee is angry that the company never produced the second season?

mfw chapca had me identify military helicopter logo
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How fucking bored God has to be for starting a World War just because bullying a fedora tipper?
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somone post pixiv tanya lewds
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>>153319078
There's probably an infinite number of alternate universes, so why not fuck up one of them just to screw over an uppity atheist?
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>>153319078
This world is probably Tanya's limbo.
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>>153319078
When you're a deity, why not?
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>>153318974
I have high hopes for a second season but at the same time I know it doesn't matter how well it sells, it won't happen
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>>153318848
>Tanya can't [...] engage at BVR
She did just this episode by using some fancy telescope spell.

Granted, it was artillery, but point stands.
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>>153318891
>Jet
You're retarded or what?
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>>153319078
We can't say if he really as god. And i mean we saw multiple beings in this series which could qualify as god. So are there multiple gods? Are those just a few devils. Is there some plan behind it?
Or is this just a lazy setup to make an anime about a sadistic "nazi" loli? Who knows.
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Why didn't the Empire just make friends with the Allied Kingdoms? All they have to do is promise not to build anymore dreadnoughts.
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>>153319051
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>>153319078
Yes.
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>>153319129
It was meant to the post below that one, I thought it was self evident
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>>153319144
>XX century
>believing a kraut
Who do you take Anglos for?
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>>153319144
They'll have to promise not to birth any more Tanyas too.
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>>153319127
If you can see them by eye, it's not beyond visual range.
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>>153319144
They are going full World War because the threat of more mages like Tanya is too much
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>>153319177
She couldn't see them by eye. She used a spell to see. Looks like it was more than simple magnification, too, because she shot through clouds.

So yeah, definitely BVR.
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>Allied Kingdoms
Is this a mistranslation or is Allied the actual word? Because Allied implies four separate sovereign kingdoms who cooperate but are not under a single flag.
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>>153319078
You could say he tried out a experiment. Its just not about Tanya.
Remember he was complaining about the lack of faith and when asking the salaryman he answered him..live is peacefull and technology advanced in science doesnt make it nessesary for humans to rely on some being to help them...

Being X literally tests it out, forcing the world into a world war.

For several reasons.
1. Testing out the theory about strive pain and suffering bringing faith to the people
2. Creating a world war and force people into those condition.
3. Throwing in Tanya the hardcore denier into the same conditions.
4. Using his miracle to force Tanya into warfare and spreading the word of god in overall fight spreading more misery and hate.
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>>153319212
Maybe they're not United but Allied e.g. unification under single King never happened or something.
They're basically a collaboration of monarchies under a parliament or something.
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Why didn't the pilots just unbuckle, get out onto the wing, and parachute off? Tanya wouldn't shoot a parachuting pilot, she follows international law and shit.
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>>153319222
Why go through all this trouble if you're an omnipotent, all-knowing god?
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>>153318464
It was always 12ep right ?/????/? DON't FUCK WITH MY NAZI LOLI
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>>153319144
Thats not the problem, its a geopolitical situation.
Established major powers dont want a contender for the continental supremacy.

notGermany didnt start any war so far, its all around them that goes nuts.
First the Entente Alliance out of the blue attack.
The republic seeing their chance and attacking from the west.
Allied forces, persuadeing Dacia to attack from the south east. While being backed from republic (remember that ammunition factory it was a republic one) in hope to spread the strengh of the empire over several frontlines.
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>>153319212
Countries can call themselves whatever they want, their name has absolutely no bearing on their realpolitik government. Unless you think the "democratic republic of the congo" is remotely democratic, much less a republic.
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>>153319258
For someone omnipotent he seem to be rather concerned about "faith"
Wich is a indication that he isnt "god" or "the creator" and so calling him being-x is rather fitting.
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>>153319313
Old Testament God really cared about faith, almost comically so.
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>>153319042
>those hips
>that smile
I need more teen Tanya in my life
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>>153319258
It's pretty clear at this point that he's neither all-knowing nor omnipotent.

He's closer to a Greek God, and not even Zeus, than the Abrahamic God.
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>>153319222
That's pretty much exactly what it is.

Though as Tanya loves to point out, It kind of stacked the deck against her; manipulating events to make her reliant on a weapon "Cursed" to run on prayer. So either she refuses to use it and dies, and It gets the satisfaction of her soul being removed from the cycle of reincarnation, or she survives into old age entirely thanks to Faith, thus proving the concept.
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>>153319144
That wouldn't solve the problem of the Repbulic being eternally butthurt faggots.
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>>153308775
>gets killed cuz she pisses someone off
>gets another chance by reincarnation
>gets mad at being who saved her and wants to kill it.

Yeah I jumped ship immediately on this making sense, but Tanya's cute.
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>>153319258
If he was all knowing he wouldn't have needed to argue with tanya at the start to find out why he lacks faith.

If he was omnipotent he wouldn't have lamented his workload in resurrecting people who have no faith in god as such a task would be infinitely trivial.
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>>153319436
>saved her
Reincarnating people is his duty. He just put salaryman in a shitty situation.
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>>153319334
The Old Testament acknowledges the existence of other gods (like Moloch, for example). Thus, faith would be pretty important to the Old Testament God to make sure people don't go off worshiping other gods.
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>>153319131
>Or is this just a lazy setup to make an anime about a sadistic "nazi" loli?

I'd say this is how it started, but will not be canon because the auther will think of something later.
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>>153319435
We don't know if there even was a NotFranco-NotPrussian war for the Republic to be butthurt about, though.
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>>153319436
I think the implication is that she was going to be reincarnated anyway. Being X is less an omnipotent presence, and more a bureaucrat who was just there to inform her of how death actually works.

But then real-world pre-Tanya went full fedora-tipper on Being X, and pissed it off. Thus she wound up where she is.

It's the metaphysical equivalent of a frycook spitting on the burger of an annoying customer.
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>>153319436
You don't get saved even if you reincarnate. You are still dead. The reincarnated you might not think so, but the you that died is still a splatter on the train track.

Semantics aside, it's a shitty new life where you are likely to die at a drop of a hat in military because everyone in the world's against you.
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>>153319434
>survives into old age entirely thanks to Faith, thus proving the concept
But Tanya doesn't have any faith whatsoever. Even her "prayer" is pretty mechanical, more like "Press button, recieve bacon" type deal than an actual call for help.
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>>153319144

Which also led to the question of why can't Iran make friends with Arab Saudi and stop the Sunni-Shia global bloodletting?
Why can't US make friends with Russia and stop triggering proxy wars around the world?

Answer is simple, old faggots want power and historical recognition before they expired and the best way to get both is to send millions of stupid young people to their death
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>>153319495
The Empire is clearly the dominant continental power. Rightful clay or not they would still be 200% butthurt.
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>>153319524
People around her don't know about it.
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>>153319524
Perhaps so, but she's only been using it for a year or so.

Give her another 50 constantly relying on God's Power, and that could foster some very real faith.
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>>153319524
I thought LN fags said that it eats away at her a little bit every time she has to pray and that she ends up doing stuff subconciously because of it.
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>>153319543
Well yeah, in that sense it might increase faith, but it doesn't actually work as an experiment.

If he wanted a proper experiment, she should have dropped her in NotGermany and fucked off until she died, to see if faith increased naturally.

Being X sucks as a scientist, he taints his own experiments.
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>>153319576
Yeah, that's exactly my point.

Even if she makes a conscious effort to resist the idea of "Faith", that wouldn't stop years of constant prayer from taking hold subconsciously.
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>>153319587
Thats what he did at first, he left tanya after the reincarnation alone for 10 years then decided to intervene and the whole miracle thing happend.

Because she actually worked her way out of those condition and sucessfull.
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>>153319565
>>153319576
>>153319608
He could also just straight up mind-control her into being a faithful, constantly praying slave. That would be about as real as doing it little by little through a cursed item.
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>>153319616
but not nearly as fun
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>>153319587
He wanted to leave her be but she was stubborn and he wouldn't have it. Being X as much of a shitty old man as salaryman. Can't do anything about it, really.
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>>153319436
>saved her
He let her die, then reincarnated her as an orphaned girl in a country doomed to lose a world war. If she had not been proactive about her career she would have ended up raped by Russians in all likelihood.
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>>153319613
Exactly my point, he modified an in-progress experiment because he didn't like where it was going.

So either he's a shitty experimenter, or this isn't an experiment and he has some other goal in mind.
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>Knew this was growing into a World War
>Didn't think things would be moving so quickly

Huh? The real war involved all major powers within about a month, if anything, it's moving miraculously slow, considering the geopolitical implications of the conflict. What reason does she have to assume it would take even longer?
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>>153319616
The thing is that cursed item works in several ways.
Corrupt her mind over time
Bring faith into those around her. Its rather reacuring around the LN some people started praying for help from god in order to defeat the devil of rhine. Some are thankfull to god that Degurechaff is on their side ect.

In a sense she is the unwilling Jean D'arc and we all know how that ended.
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>>153319654
There are no big alliances like the Central powers and Triple Entente. She assumed that the world will collapse into world war due to the shift in geopoilitics but she didn't expect everyone else already being on anti-Empire bandwagon.
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>>153319616
Not really. With his current method she could just kill herself (or at least that would appear as an option to her). Further, despite the situations getting worse nothing is forcing her to use those spells. She could say the gem stopped working and get demoted or bodied on the battlefield because her unit isn't as OP without her.
The way it is done now, all change, even the explicit change exacted on her, is volunatary. That means there's a level of choice, even if the 'answer' to her questions continually chip away at her ability to answer differently up until the point where she is completely brainwashed she has chosen to walk down that path, into faith.

Fucking ningen, you don't understand beauty at all.
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>>153319641
In most fiction where magic exists Germany ends up winning because their exploration into the occult, like wolfenstien.
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ITS HIGH NOON edit where?
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If I were god I would make Tanya's gem be powered by /u/.
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>>153319723
>>>/reddit/
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>>153319654
Because there's apparently not the clusterfuck of alliances and defensive pacts that made WW1 happen really fast. There still seems to be some major powers sitting out, where as in our history most of them were roped into the war from the outset.
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>>153317290
I can confirm this is what the inside of any Japanese building looks like that hasn't banned smoking indoors.
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>>153319741
This isn't a Xebec show.
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>>153319662
>Joan

>the ending is her getting a horrible no backing out death
>she prays to activate the stone
>it doesn't work
>whatever process for killing her begins
>deep breath
>actually asks X to help out- abliet arrogantly and reluctantly
>panic sets in more with no answer
>pain quickly mounting
>genuine prayer
>time stop
>X: haha faggot, lose, I knew you'd do it eventually
>time resumes
The End.
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>>153319698
Thats the thing, she wouldnt risk deliberatly hurting her own career. Everything she does is to further her career, she didnt kill those two guys in ep 1 on the spot because it would look bad. Soe she "transfered" them.
She took out the squadron on her and not using visha and the 2 newcomers to fight it off. Knowing it would look bad if she lose newly assigned people.
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>>153319698
Yeah, pretty much everything in this post is wrong.

When one of the choices involves "commit suicide," that's no choice at all. Telling someone "Do X or I'll kill/hurt you" isn't called giving them a choice by any sane person.

And that's what it amounts to, either Tanya does what she's doing right now, or she dies a shitty death. I see no choices here.
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>>153319743
Wow you fell for the plebbit bait
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>>153319776
Exactly, regardless of her motivation she is willingly making prayers to get magic. It's irrelevant if they slowly corrupt her until the point were the corruption overwhelms and compells her to prayer without her willingness. Until that point it's voluntary, and that is the penance and satisfaction of it.
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>>153319784
>expecting common sense from Being X
Look up who a martyr is.
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>>153319815
>willingly
That's where you're wrong.
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>>153319654
>The real war involved all major powers within about a month
Because they had outstanding alliances with each other that explicitly required them to take their side if war broke out. So a Hungarian archduke being assassinated by a Serb caused Austria-Hungary to declare war on Serbia, which made Russia declare war on Austria-Hungary because they were allied with Serbia, which made Germany declare war on Russia because of their alliance with Austria-Hungary, and that also meant Germany had to declare war on France because they were allied with Russia, and attacking France meant going through Belgium who were allied with Britain. And also the Ottomans and Italy were in there somehow, but they were their own worst enemies really.
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So what's X's big plan here ? Does he even have one ?
Looks like to me the guy just gave up on the whole faith shit and is just enjoying fucking with her.
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>>153319784
Not really. She could not rely on the gem. Everyone else manages. She can die, even with the gem. You're short sighted and if you consider the lose of your own mind and self a more acceptable loss than your life, to the point were suicide or risk of health isn't even a consideration then you're the insane one here.
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k this is my anime of the year, aside from the slightly bad pacing it has everything I love
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>>153319832
So being X is actively in control of her actions? He has control of her mind and body?
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>>153319865
If point a gun at you, and tell you to suck my dick or I'll blow your brains out, are you doing it willingly?
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>>153319865
Coercion =/= free will
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>>153319844
It's honestly amazing how you struggle with the concept that being forced to do something under the threat of pain and death is not the same as doing something willingly.
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>>153319841
He's a god from the old testament and classical times.
All the Gods are as shit in their stories like that.
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>>153319886
>>153319897
Being X is a god, not a local judge. The choice between faith (or lack thereof) is common in religion and is considered an act of free will.
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>>153319816
She isn't a martyr.

She's a hero from a Greek tragedy. She pissed off the equivalent of Hera and now her life is fucked.
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>>153319897
Free will=agency
Coercion=manipulation of outcome
>>153319886
If a gun was put to your head and you were told to fuck your mother in the eye, do you have a choice?
The answer should be, yes, I'd rather die. If not then you need to have a quiet think about where you're headed in life
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>>153319815
Actually no, she has two operation juwels.
The standard one land ater the Type-97 like the rest of her battaltion.
And her Type-95 cursed one but immensly more powerfull then anything known to humankind.

In a fight and you have to fight for your survival like in the war and constantly on the frontlines.
And you have the choice between a pistol and a assault rifle in a fight. You obviously use the one wich gives you higher survival chances or to succeed.
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>>153319860
Who needs pacing when you have Tanya
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>>153319886
The choice is still there anon, nobody's really forcing you, it's still your decision to suck a dick or swallow the bullet.
There is always the third option: try to wrestle the gun out of opponent hand, obviously he'll withhold this option when listing choices to you.
Being X also had to interfere at least two times after Tanya got isekaied meaning he's not exactly in complete control of situation in the world or is hesitant to exercise it.
We've had this exact argument at least five times in these threads already.
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>>153319918
Options
>stop being a soldier
>stop being a promotion whore and making yourself an international target
>stop using the gem and fight normally
>fuck it just use the gem
>kill yourself
Not all of those have threats of death or even violence. You're over simplifying to rationalise a bad desicion.
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>>153319946
See you don't have a choice in your example. When one of the options isn't a real option, then you don't have a choice.

This is not a hard concept, man. I don't know why you have such trouble with it.
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>>153319956
Type-97 is also provide Tanya with mana supply that can be prepared before the battle and expended on DAKKA outside of internal mana pool scale.
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>>153319982
>isn't a real option
Which option is that? Are you saying you'd fuck the eye or is the legitimacy of an option based on your ethical perception of it?
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>>153319974
>>153319982

Guys listen.

1. She is being coerced. That's making a choice under duress.

2. She is still making a choice though.
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>>153319918
>pain and death
>willingly
Who makes a choice for you anon?
Nobody.
You just prioritize not being dead and not feeling pain over your principles or you don't in which case you'll likely to suffer\die.
What is this is not a choice?
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>>153319981
Yeah, do you honestly think for one second that if she dropped the gun and went home, her life would be all nice?

The message is clear: If she doesn't use the gem, Being X will fuck with her until she dies. If she doesn't fight in the war, Being X will fuck with her until she dies.

You can pretend there are more choices, but in the end they're just roundabout ways to a single end.

Tanya has two real options:
>Use the gem
>Die in misery

No two ways about it. Stop pretending otherwise.
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>>153320002
Fuck you
I reject your logic and substitute my own
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>>153319943
Scenario-wise yeah it's an Odyssey. I was talking about how choosing death over faith in Christianity is free will and doing othewise is a sin regardless of coercion.
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>>153319974
>>153320002
>>153320009
She is being coerced. Being coerced to do something is not doing it willingly. That's what coercion is. Forcing someone to do something they wouldn't under regular circumstances

Stop pretending that it's anything else.

Being X is forcing Tanya to pray, pure and simple.
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>>153320002
>That's making a choice under duress.
That's legal argument, not existential one.
>She is still making a choice though.
Yes.

No such thing as forcing a person to do something exist in the world.
A person need to make a choice himself and then take action\stay inactive.
You can't at least for now take direct control over the person identity and do shit with his hands as if with a proxy.
You can persuade or threaten a person to sway him in a direction you want, but never force him to do anything.
"He forced me to do X" is bullshit rationalization of choice to surrender to third party will.
Things might be DONE to a person though.
Like rape.
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>>153320044
>forcing to do X
See >>153320052
It doesn't exist.
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>>153319865
LN/manga not-so-spoiler:

Being X possessed Tanya during the training
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So if I put a gun to someones head, tell him "money or life" he made a fair choice by giving me all his money?
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>>153320021
>would be all nice
Ah, so now every option has to result in all nice to be legitimate? Further, you think her current life is all nice? That's certainly one way to think about it. Regardless, she still has that option. She cannot possibly know what would happen. She could assume but she couldn't know. Instead she pushes on with the jewel, a choice.

In fact according to you she dies in misery either way and she knows and believes this. In which case she prays willingly to extend the time before an inevitable outcome. Another choice.
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>>153320072
Should've called an exorcist.
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>>153320083

Duress. Undue influene. Etc.
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>>153320072
But are all her decisions from that moment his or is she making them. Momentary control is an interesting spoiler but it doesn't change the point.
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>>153320083
Choice is choice, "fair" doesn't exist either.
It's either positive or negative within specific person system of values or not.
He might be suicidal and not taking his life when he refuses to give you money would be "unfair" choice to him.
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>>153320052
>>153320067
Yeah, all that is bullshit, though. That's just pointless rationalization. You're an idiot for even trying to use that as an argument.

Everyone has a point at which they're forced to do something. Some people don't want to die, some people don't want to fuck their mother's eye socket.

You can always find something to present to someone that's not really a choice for them. That is forcing someone to do something.

You're saying that you'd rather die than obey Being X, for example. Well guess what, Being X forced you to kill yourself.

So yeah, stop with this pointless argument.
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>>153320083
Fair is irrelevant to whether they willing undertook an action (made a choice)
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I don't understand why people here complain so much. I am absolutely loving this show. The setting is cool and interesting, the mc is genuinely likable, the action is entertaining.
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>>153320083
>fair choice
Gods don't give a shit about your choice being fair as long as they don't outright move your hands.
You're asking why a god does something and then apply logic that wouldn't even work in a human court some centuries ago. That's not how it works.
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>>153320150
Nobody is complaining about the show.
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>>153320127
>That's just pointless rationalization
>from the guy _desperately_ rationalising without being aware of the warrants he is using
Classic
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>>153320127
>You can always find something to present to someone that's not really a choice for them
That would be a rationalization on their part to justify their actions.
They just prioritize what they would not like to do more and make a choice to do the other option.
You can't force person to do anything, that's not possible.
>Well guess what, Being X forced you to kill yourself.
No, I made a choice to disobey him and he killed me.
The responsibility for my death is on him, he made his choice, I made mine.
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>>153319252
Early planes didn't have parachutes because it encouraged the pilots to abandon expensive military hardware.
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>>153320150
Nobody is saying the show its bad, they are talking about the intentions of being X
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>>153320095
Worst goddess.
Probably Sonzai X best friend.
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>>153320189
Control and authority are spooks. There are only my choices and the consequences of them
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>>153320189
Look man, everybody knows that you can't literally get into the head of somebody and move their body to do something.

This is not what this argument is about so stop trying to make this argument about that.

This is about coercion, and you absolutely can coerce somebody to make a certain choice.

Just like Being X coerced Tanya into using the gem.

When something is done under duress, "willing" is never the right word to use.

Yes, Tanya made the choice. But that choice was unwilling.
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>>153320150
There are people that complain about it here?
I'm having a blast with murder loli shenenigans and the pissing contest between a cycnical salaryman and might-or-might-not-be god
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>>153320241
>you can't literally get into the head of somebody and move their body to do something.
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.
t. Sonzai X
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>>153319654
Instead of a web of alliances, everyone is instead being slowly drawn in by fears of their own national self interest.

>>153319696
>>153319748
>>153319835
But if everybody is so afraid of the Empire (which judging by the map is basically a perfect EU4 HRE) then why didn't anybody already make a web of alliances to temper the Empire's ambitions?

What's the situation like with the overseas colonies anyway, since having so few colonies was part of what made Germany feel inadequate? Are the Co-Prosperity Sphere going to invade the Empire's treaty port in Tsingtao (taken from the Dynasty) through an alliance with the Allied Kingdoms?
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>something something duty something something glory something something fight for your country
>everybody shruggs, they heard this stuff multiple times
>also, you're paying for our shit if you don't perform as good as you can
>everybody charges into the fray like madmans they are
And who said this show wasn't realistic?
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>>153308775
I refuse to sleep til i get mah subsway
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>>153320273
I wanted to know who ended up paying.
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>>153317733
Why mentally?
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>>153320150
This isn't complaining, they're discussing about Tanya's condition and whether she's being controlled, or something. You wouldn't do that for something you hate unless you were desperately bored
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>>153320241
>This is about coercion, and you absolutely can coerce somebody to make a certain choice.
Glad we agree on that.
That would be person making a choice with information at hand, you did not really force it to do anything.
Said person just judged information against his system of values and made a decision.
You're only being a factor in his decisions but he might as well tell you to go fuck yourself however dangerous or expensive your retaliation would be.
>Yes, Tanya made the choice. But that choice was unwilling.
This is oxymoron.
See above: Sonzai X is just being a factor in decision making.
The choice is Tanya's alone.
Coersion or not - you can't force a person to do anything.
If you really don't want to do something - nobody can make you if you just shut down, lie on the ground and refuse to move.
Torture and psychological pressure are a things, but they're just factors in decision making too, besides there are people trained to withstand any of those.
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>>153320116
The plan is the same, but Tanya wanted everyone to drop out, while Being X ensured the unit is a success. Visha even received a revelation.
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>>153320273
She is a big commander
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I just loved tanyas reaction to being-x in EP6 straight up shooting it.
"Always prepared to attack my enemy if Being-X shows itself again" from EP 4, such a nice touch.
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>>153320294
The Empire as usual since Tanya can requisite provisions and luxuries as a famed major.
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>>153320269
France and Russia had an anti-German alliance but Russia went commie and notBolsheviks signed a non-agression pact with the Empire.
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>>153320293
Subs are out already, faggot
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>>153320319
If you're midget, maybe.
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>>153320313
>Coersion or not - you can't force a person to do anything.
Stop. Right now. Re-read this thread. You're going in circles.

You're only making yourself look dumb.
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How does it feel to date Tanya?
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>>153320330
And nobody wanted to be friends with the Empire? Not even the Constantinople Caliphate?
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>>153320241
>he still doesn't understand
>you can coerce someone to make a choice
You can coerce someone into a situation where they, based on their values and habits will willingly do something they otherwise wouldn't under duress, yes. Is that still a choice? Yes. Are you still willing? As long as you're still sapient and conscious, yes.
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>>153320346
See >>153320367
That anon took words from my mouth.
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>>153320347
Straining on the back.

>>153320352
I haven't seen anything about Turkey.
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>>153320380
That anon didn't say anything at all.

>>153320367
What the fuck are you on about?
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>>153320301
Not this anon, but I see his point. Watching this smug cunt slowly losing her sanity is entertaining as fuck and I can assure you that Sonzai Ekkusu is having a blast.
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>>153320260
And yet he does so sparringly and not in such a way it doesn't affect the choices we're discussing.
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>>153320352
notItaly, but Empire didn't call them into the war. They did lease some ships so Empire can ship notAfrikakorps to notAfrica.
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>>153320352
While I admit I want to see suicide mages, after the Japanese translator for a certain Muslim book got allahu-akbared in Japan, the author as with his peers probably don't want to touch anything Muslim-related.
It's pretty understandable.
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>>153320409
I obviously meant why not physically, anon.
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>>153320410
>doesn't affect the choices we're discussing
If Being X wasn't around, there's no way Tanya would have made the choices that she made.
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>>153320318
The second that state ends however she could just quit come what may, or defect or anything in the world that she likes. Choice.
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>>153320434
Wrong Muslims.

If anything, suicide mages would NotJapan.
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>>153320402
>>153320346
>you'll only make yourself look dumb
Not him, hombre but you're doing that yourself. Take a breath and have a look at it from another perspective. We're not wrong.
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>>153320436
That comes later.
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>>153320323
Tanya spooked was a nice touch to the scene too
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Ima just put my two cents here, coercion is being threatened to make a choice whether by blackmail, force, or whatever else. The person being coerced has the choice to let the threat happen.

Tanya is being coerced into using the Type-95 which forces her to pray in the hope that her mind will accept sonzai x as god and start praying of her own accord, but she could always choose to take a regular computation core like she had in Norden, or take a Type-97.

>>153320437
If sonzai x wasn't around she wouldn't need to make a choice, he's more or less causing the great war to happen
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>>153320437
Naturally, but that he over took her body once or twice doesn't change that she has made decisions of her own volition since that time.
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>>153320456
I concede that point and still point out that Japan simply don't want to have anything to do with Muslims and anything related to them to safeguard themselves from rabid backlash.
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>>153320465
The fire arises
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>>153320464
>We're not wrong
Yes, you are. You're having a hard time seeing it. I'm not sure why because it's so simple.

You are literally arguing that just because Being X didn't literally puppeteer Tanya around it means that everything she did was of her own free will.

That's entirely beside the point. The point is that Being X coerced Tanya into doing shit, she didn't do it of her own free will.
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>>153320480
>If sonzai x wasn't around she wouldn't need to make a choice, he's more or less causing the great war to happen
I mean, if Being X was still making the war happen but didn't talk to Tanya at all, there's no way she would have made the choices she did.
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>>153320505
>he already replaced forced with coerced
>she didn't do it of her own free will.
Anon taking action requires a will.
You need to decide what your hands would do before they do it, they don't do anything before you make a choice, subconscious reactions like shielding eyes excluded.

Being X put her in a situation where she would most likely decide to do his bidding.
She still have a choice to refuse, but that goes against her other goals so she rolls with it begrudgingly.
You are retarded if you don't recognize free will in that.
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>>153312553
You mean the body of a child? You can simultaneously be a pedophile and into old cock
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The original post
>He could also just straight up mind-control her into being a faithful, constantly praying slave. That would be about as real as doing it little by little through a cursed item.
Being X doesn't care about freedom of will (i.e. Tanya's will to pray). What he wants is to determene the way to make people praise him without asuming direct control. As a god, he cares about freedom of choice but doesn't give a shit about free will if that's more clear.
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>>153320542
Ok, let me spell it out for you nice and simple.

Did Being X coerce Tanya into doing something that she wouldn't otherwise do? Yes he did.

That it. Nothing else matters.

I stopped using the word "forced" because you idiots took it way too literally and started arguing about "the choice to kill yourself" and whatever, so I was stopped using that word for your sake.

There, I can't make it any simpler. If you still don't get it, well I can't really help you there.
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>>153320505
>everyone telling you that you're wrong
>but you're not
There is no 'free' will by the way you seem to want to define it. There are always circumstances. My will might be to fly unaided but I cannot. It's a silly example but the point is there will always be restrictions on your choices whether they are to a large degree or a lesser degree.
So long as their are multiple choices, no matter how unpalleteable, you are acting of your own will. Does that mean you can always be blamed, perhaps not. You may not be entirely responsible. Did you choose to do it? Oh yes you did.

Answer this question please, you dodged it last time:
>>153319946
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>>153320567
>the choice to kill yourself doesn't exist
>doing things for others sake
This whole converstation is for your sake. There are multiple posters trying to walk you though it.
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>>153320563
Here's the thing: You'd maybe have a leg to stand on if Tanya had any idea that praying to god is slowly mind controlling her, then at least she'd be making an informed choice.

Coercing her into playing his game until she loses her will is functionally the same as taking her will away straight up.
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>>153320567
>Did Being X coerce Tanya into doing something that she wouldn't otherwise do? Yes he did.
>Asked a question and answered it himself
>Somehow an argument
Coercing is just another term for forcing, I stand my ground that these terms exist for a rationalization on victim end.
Also for a legal system which values person life above criminal actions he took at gunpoint while prioritizing staying alive.
You can't coerce or force a person into doing something.
A person have to decide to do your bidding willingly based on the situation he's in.
You can't make that choice for a person, but you can do your best to manipulate it into a set of circumstances when an outcome of his choice will PROBABLY be closest to what you want him to do.
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>>153320521
She would because he's molding the situation so that Tanya would choose the most beneficial course of action to her which is the choice he wants her to make.
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>>153320627
She is aware that type-95 is brainwashing her.
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>>153320602
>>153320579
It might surprise you, but multiple people can be wrong at the same time.

>Answer this question please, you dodged it last time:
I dodged nothing. I answered it straight up and you chose to ignore the answer.
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>>153320521
>i-if the situation were different
And if I were rich I'd be fucking whores, snorting coke and not posting here. Does that mean my posting on /a/ is against my free will?
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>>153320633
>>153320632
Yeah, I'm done here.

I have literally gone over this same argument above in the thread.

If you want to know my response, scroll up and read again. Repeat until you understand.
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>>153320648
>I gave you an answer
Let's have a look at the reply chain shall we

>question
>>153319946
>cryptic weasel words
>>153319982
>clarification
>>153319995
>response
Oh wait, you didn't give me a fucking answer
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>>153320672
The numbers are against you retard, go figure out logic
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>>153320694
Here:
>>153320127

>>153320698
Here:
>>153320648
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>>153320672
>he posted retarded theory
>that takes away a choice out of person actions
>while choice is a requirement for a conscious action to begin with
>and rationalizes victim actions with moronic "I had no choice so I made a choice to suck a dick at gunpoint"
>over and over again while shuffling words a bit
>scroll up and read again
>Repeat until you understand.
Y-you too.
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>>153320672
>I have no idea what I'm doing
>I keep repeating myself and not answering people's questions or addressing their points
>I'm sick of repeating my self
>I won't address points for awhile instead
>fuck you guys just don't get it

A couple of threads ago someone asked me what shitposting in /his/ was like. I hope you're here anon. I cannot tell you that exactly, but this is what someone going out of their depth on /his/ looks like.
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>>153320719
People can choose the worst option because they have the free will to do it. Now if someone was holding your hand to a gun against your mother and pushed your finger on the trigger, that'd be taking their choice away and forcing them to do something against their will
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>>153309157
Because that's old news, artist redrew few pages and added some more to do "corrections" and even asked if fans knew what those were.

And whoever did the scanlations for vol.1 used the monthly versions so it's no wonder they're missing. You aren't too bright are you?
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>>153319616
Except he's testing whether Tanya will turn to faith to save herself in her times of need.

The pendant is the literal manifestation of their metaphorical battle.
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>>153320770
>>153320725
>>153320746
What point are you trying to make here anyway?

That everything that happened to Tanya is her fault? That's clearly not true.

At this point you're just arguing the semantics of what the word "forced" means. This is tiresome.
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>>153320719
>forced to do something
>some people don't [want] to die

So if I am told I can either eat a cake or clean the toilet, given that I don't [want] to clean the toilet I am being forced to eat cake?
But what of the eye socket? You personally, what would you choose? Would you do it? Some might, others might not. It's hard to say what [choice] you would make until you were confronted with it.
>killing yourself is him forcing you do it
So if I meet being X every choice I make is forced upon me by him from then on? Interesting theory. Very causal but not exactly large enough in scope.
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>>153320789
>of what forced means
No we're arguing about choice and will actually.

The reason this all started was because someone claimed it was no different than brain washing her. The fact is, it's very different. With this method she willing chooses to corrupt herself with faith.
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>>153320770
>your mother and pushed your finger on the trigger
>that'd be taking their choice away and forcing them to do something against their will
Anon I don't want to offend you, but that is retarded.
He just killed your mother using your body as a mediator.
It's would be the same if he just dropped you from a skyscraper on her head.
The choice is his, he killed your mother.
You didn't have a choice in this situation nor are you reponsible or even related to it in any way except from moral standpoint of your mother being dead.
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>That everything that happened to Tanya is her fault? That's clearly not true.
Literally yes.
This is whole fucking premise of the show as well as the main only joke in the series.
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>>153320319
>>153320319
>>153320319
>>153320319
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>>153320826
>chose to be an autistic edgelord
>some deity bullies her
>she has no responsibility or involvement in the events
Some people just want to surrender their locus of control and absolve themselves of responsibility.
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>>153320789
The result of her getting her battalion was something that came from her own choice despite her not wanting it because Zettour was guided by sonzai x to use her in their quick response team

>>153320816
I'm comparing it to brainwashing, of course the choice is someone elses, that doesn't change the fact that your body did it and you'd get blamed for it cause your print is on the gun
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So how did this war even start?
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>>153320869
People are bored after watching Youjo Senki and wanna talk about it, that's how
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>>153320869
The one in the show?
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>>153320857
She dug it herself in the novel and manga
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>>153320857
>your body did it and you'd get blamed for it cause your print is on the gun
Well I agree that from a society POV this will look like your fault.
That doesn't change what it ACTUALLY is in the slightest though.
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>>153320869
It's been smouldering since PV1.
Every now and then "Tanya dindu" retard walks into these threads and gets rekt.
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>>153320813
>No we're arguing about choice and will actually.
That is the same as arguing what "forced" means, only using different words.

>someone claimed it was no different than brain washing her
That would be me. I claimed that the end result would be no different. Being X would be no closer to knowing whether hardship creates faith.

>With this method she willing chooses to corrupt herself with faith.
Maybe she chooses to corrupt herself, but "willing" is the wrong word to use here. She unwillingly chooses to corrupt herself, because the alternative is worse (to her).

Fact of the matter is, she was presented with a choice between two very bad options, and she was placed in that situation entirely against her will (reincarnation).

You can argue until the cows come home that that choice involved free will, and yes that is true, but as I said, that is arguing the definition of forced.

Tanya was forced by circumstances beyond her control into a situation where she had to choose between two really bad choices.
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>>153320892
I believe that was his point. That in that circumstance it wasn't your choice because someone literally took it away.
You can pull the trigger or not but then someone pulls it anyway. You did not acy upon the trigger, it was not your choice. Short of someone acting on your behalf, it is your choice.
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>>153320882
>>153320888
>>153320890
The one on the show yes.
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>>153320869
Troops from notsweden decided to talk a walk through their rightful lands of notskane which was host to illegal Empire troops, who proceeded to fuck their shit up
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>>153320912
>Maybe she chooses to corrupt herself, but "willing" is the wrong word to use here.
>unwillingly chooses
If you mean she doesn't like that choice - yes.
She makes it using her own FREE WILL though.

Why

Do

You

Space

Like

A

Faggot

?
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>>153320905
>gets rekt
Only in your eyes. All the arguments in favor of "Tanya wasn't forced" are literally from philosophy 101.
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>>153320912
>That is the same as arguing what "forced" means,
Not at all, actually. Litterally not at all. Was she forced into a position with only bad options? yes. Did she make a choice based on those options? yes. can you make a choice without willful action? no.
Ta-da, force doesn't matter and is rationally irrelevant.
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>eventually WW will turn into a holy crusade as Tanya is declared a heretic and the Empire rides that propaganda to boost the troops' morale
CURSE YOU SONZAI EKUSU
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>>153320918
>because someone literally took it away.
No, you were not part of the equation from the beginning is all.
Nobody took choice from you: you was not presented with one since your involvement into situation is non-existent.
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>>153320869
>Russia becomes communist, signs a non-agression pact with Germany
>Germany is occupying Denmark
>Sweden considers Denmark rightful Scandinavian clay, invades Germany
>Germany pushes back
>Now that there is no Russian threat they decide to send their main force to conquer Scandinavia
>France sees the opportunity and invades Germany while German forces are stuck in the north
>The French are stopped in Rhineland but Germany doesn't have enough forces to fight on 2 fronts effectively
>Romania decides to invade as well but gets wrecked
>German war effort isn't doing too hot due to problems with supply lines
>UK, USA and USSR are thinking about how they should intervene in the war
>you're here
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>>153320919
Remilitarization of Rhineland gone wrong

Nazi = Legadonia, Rhineland = Norden
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>>153320846
>chose to be an autistic edgelord
Honestly, I think even devout people would be suspicous of a voice appearing in your head and claiming to be god. Even it starts doing fancy magic tricks and tells you to pray to it or else it'll fuck you up.
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>>153320926
>FREE WILL
We're not arguing about the definition of free will. My point is that Being X is tainting his own experiment by influencing Tanya into the direction he wants.

If it even is an experiment anyway.


>Why Do You Space Like A Faggot?
So that you don't get confused by long sentences.
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Can we move on from this and appreciate some lovely artwork showing up on a daily basis?
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>>153320869
NotSwede (Entente Alliance) marshed into contested territory and started the war (EP2 where tanya gets attacked and blow ehrself up)

The empire had no trouble defending agains this "invasion" and the higher ups amde the error to use their mainforce to invade notSwede in order to break free from the encirclement of neighbors.

With that they broke their defensive plan (Showed in EP 1 where borders hold against invasion of one attacker and mainforce reinforces/crushes attacker)

Due to that mobilisation of the mainarmy to the Norden against notSwede the notFrance (Republic) invaded the empire from the west (Rhine Front)

After alot of struggle and high casualtis (ep1 overall fighting) the empire was able to reroute the mainarmy from the north front to reinforce the western front and their for stabilizing the overall situation.

Dacia invaded the empire in the southeast opening a third frontline and was crushed in short order. Dacia was persuaded by notFrance to invade the empire and getting help from the them in the form of weapons ect.
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>>153320929
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>>153320981
The thread will die soon anyway.
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>>153320951
basically what this guy said
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>>153320976
>by influencing Tanya into the direction he wants.
I agree.
It's just he experiments on a entity with freedom of choice, not a puppet.
That would defeat the purpose of an experiment he's conducting.
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>>153321000
We're wasting the opportunity and our time by arguing with the retard when we could talk about how much we want Tanya merch or something more productive
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>>153320960
You've just described most saints and prophets, so no. Demonstrably, they aren't/
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>>153320981
I want to protect this smile
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>>153321037
As do I
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>>153321036
Most saints and prophets also didn't become saints and prophets until way after their death.
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>>153321032
Well what are you going to do. The very premise of this show attracts retards.
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>>153321032
I want to talk about how much I want to die.
>tfw I'll never get conscripted and get shot by Tanya with my corpse mutilated by her because some deity is using it to communicate with her
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>>153320960
Nah, it's usually accompanied by a feeling of bliss which kind of shifts suspicion out of your perception for the moment.
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>>153321051
But what about this smile?
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>>153321037
I want this smile to protect me.
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>>153321077
That's true, the masses flock to anything trending, granted this time it's actually something great
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>>153321002
>Instructor
>Daily reminder that CR is cancer
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>>153321059
>and prophets
That's wrong.
>saints
While cannonisation does take three miricales after death they wouldn't even be considered without a life time of devotion and MANY did claim to hear God and were pretty happy about it.
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>>153321099
faget
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>>153321037
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>>153321111
>mfw now I get the quads
>>153321104
Well how would you put it in the context?
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>>153321118
>宣誓 - oath; abjuration; pledge
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>>153319252
governments didn't issue pilots parachutes during the first world war, because it's like they say, if you issue it, they'll use it. planes were considered more valuable than the pilots and this forced them to try and save the plane at all costs, many pilots took a pistol with them so they could blow their brains out it the cockpit caught fire
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TL;DR: You can't force or coerce a person to do something.
You can only manipulate them in a way that would most likely lead to them making a choice you want.
Tanya's circumstances are all her own fault and that's the backbone of the show comedy.
Prove me wrong.
Tip: you can't.
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>>153321137
She did say "Sensei".
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>>153321176
宣誓 is pronounced the same way.
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>>153321137
To be fair that was a reasonable mistake, she was going all on with the little kid voice and playing a kid's prank was basically what she was aiming for.
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I wish they gave the soldiers black uniforms instead
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>>153321099
Makes me wonder if we ever get a proper LN release. I guess if the anime's sucessful Yen Press is bound to pick it up eventually and take forever to translate it.
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>>153321189
Oh, okay.
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>>153321169
>You can't force or coerce a person to do something.

Then what does the word "force" or "coerce" mean if it doesn't describe anything that can be done?
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>>153321220
I wish they gave mages lighter color uniform.
I mean: what's the purpose of green camo when you fight in the skies most of the time?
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>>153321222
>trips checked
>Yen Press picking YS up
>forever to translate it.
Foreveier than Sky?
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>>153321169
I found it extremely funny it was her fault she leads a dangerous high response battalion now. She could have avoided going that route if she was honest to the general about the Empire's eventual defeat.
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>>153321169
>You can't force
Only in the most literal meaning of the word force
>coerce
Absolutely, you can. That's the definition of the word coercion. You can coerce someone through threat of violence against their person or a loved one, through blackmail or through some other means. That's what the word means.
>Tanya's circumstances are all her own fault
Being X is 90% to blame. Tanya gets the other 10%.
>the backbone of the show comedy.
True.
>Prove me wrong.
Done.
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Forever loli is fine but I was hoping we'd get to this eventually.
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>>153321250
It is a teaser, and its a bitch to translate cause its wordy as fuck and goes around in circles
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>>153321176
>>153321200
That's kanji-illiterate level of mistake
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>>153321236
>"force" or "coerce" mean
Legal terms.
Law states that if your life or life of your family are threatened - you won't be held responsible for certain criminal actions you took under these threats.
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>>153321254
>he's still at it
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>>153321263
I know we wont, but I'd enjoy another novel with grown up Tanya.
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Any Tanya cosplayers appear yet?
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>>153321276
>bitch to translate cause its wordy as fuck and goes around in circles
I understand that, which is why maybe it's a good idea for YP to pick it up earlier than for Sky to waste his efforts that can be applied elsewhere more efficiently.
He's his own man\gal though.
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>>153321236
Generally speaking they're used, in the case of the later, to explain a particular interpersonal process of attempting to have one act in a way you desire and, for the former, to indicate in legal parlance the conditions under which an individual took an action and how it reflects on their responsibility for those actions and their outcomes.
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>>153321279
So you CAN force or coerce someone.

Q.E.D.
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>>153321263
We're gonna get that eventually. Tanyas growth is slowed, not halted. She has grown up a bit in the later LNs.
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>>153321298
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>>153321298
If I had a kid I'd dress her up as Tanya in no time

>>153321308
I wholeheartedly agree, its extremely difficult so let paid pros handle it
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>>153321315
>law always makes sense
If you're in court and try to justify why you sucked a dick at gunpoint, but want to sugarcoat that you weighted your own life above tasting a dick for 10 minutes - yes.
It is a commonly recognized way to shift the responsibility of your choice to an assailant.
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>>153321326
I think "Stunted" might be the more apt term.

Malnourishment will do that.
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>>153321315
However the act of force of coercion does not impair their ability to act of their own accord. It merely impedes their ability to act in accordance with their desires or interest. To take action or even to refrain from action is an exertion of will.
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>>153321362
True, but irrelevant.
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>>153321254

You dont get it, do you? Using that word "coerce" was a poor word choice but you seem to be trying to debunk that anon's argument by finding faults in his words rather than finding evidence in the show to support your argument. From and outside observer, you didnt convince me and the other anon's argument is more sound.
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Anyone got volume 2 illustrations and beyond? can't find the raws and I'd rather not buy the books till they're licensed
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>>153321385
>any arguments against my point is irrelevant
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>>153321347
>but want to sugarcoat that you weighted your own life above tasting a dick for 10 minutes

If the alternative is that you try to claim they're gay, then that sounds like a valid defense against that statement, no?
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>>153321416
It's irrelevant because it's not an argument addressing my point at all.
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>>153321385
>irrelevant
It's the crux of this whole shit storm. As long as one (tanya) has the ability to take action then she is doind so willingly (rather than refraining or choosing another action). It does not reflect her desires or even acceptance but it is a choice made freely in her own mind and through her own deliberations.
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>>153321424
I'm not sure I got you right, you'll have to elaborate.
I was trying to illustrate that "force" and "coerce" are just a legal terms used to rationalize victim making a choice it didn't particularly like to protect their sense of self-worth.
>I chose to suck his dick to live
sounds a lot worse than a
>He forced me to suck his dick at gunpoint
It's mental gymnastics and verbal fallacy.
Terms itself do not describe anything real, just a manifestation of psychological rationalization.
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>>153321435
Okay, while what you're saying is true in general, you're using words that don't fit in this context.

Remove "willingly" and "freely" and you're right.

She is making the choice unwillingly, as in, she doesn't want to but she has to for whatever reason (thats what unwilling means), and her choice is not free because it is influenced by outside factors.

She is, however making the choice herself through her own deliberations.
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The smile is nice to protect but pixiv needs more smug
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oh great, i found the dick suck general thread
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>>153321488
>her choice is not free because it is influenced by outside factors.
Then the choice is never free and you have to drop that argument altogether.
All of us are bound by circumstances in this Universe.
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>>153321512
>general
>fresh content 4.5 hours ago
Kill yourself maybe?
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>>153321484
You see, when you choose to state the argument that way, you're making it seem like the gun had no influence on the dick sucking.

You're saying "he chose to suck a dick" as if the gun had no influence at all on the decision to such dick.

To move this argument back to Tanya, you're making it seem like the choice is ALL Tanya with no influence at all from Being X.
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>>153321488
>that get
Free and willing are meaningless terms without a relative frame of reference. No choice is made freely as at no time are you capable of choosing from all options. I cannot choose to fly. My humanity constrains me. Unless no choice is free it is all just a matter of degree. So either no choice is free or Tanya is doing so freely. Easy as that, unless you have a solid operational criteria.
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>>153321522
you guys have been talking about sucking dick through coercion for 4.5 hours now?
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>>153321488
>she has to
Oh to add to this
>>153321530
Has to implies she isn't making a choice and we agreed that she was. Willingly can only be done freely and again. Either all choice is free (and thus willing) or none is.
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>>153321513
In absolute terms, thats true. However Tanya's choice is a lot less free that it might have been otherwise, due to the influence of Being X.

"Free" is not a black and white proposition in absolute terms, there are degrees of freedom.

As in, you're not free to choose to fly because you don't know magic/money to buy an airplane ticket.
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>>153321526
>if the gun had no influence
I mentioned sucking dick to live.
Implying not sucking it would mean death by gun.
You dropped it for whatever reason from my argument.
>the choice is ALL Tanya with no influence at all from Being X.
The choice is ALL Tanya with Being X influencing the circumstances that Tanya analyze before making a choice.
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I'm jumping this train wreck, enjoy your night fellas
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>>153321530
>>153321563
This is drivel. You are reducing this argument to absurdity.

Following your thread of thinking, yes, no choice is truly free. This is a pointless conclusion.
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The non-theology thread:
>>153307941
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Where's the new bread?
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>>153321610
>logic is cheating
Literally name a choice that is made freely. No person wants to be poor. No one can make the choice to just stop being poor. By your logic, as it is something they do not want, every choice made in that state of duress is unwilling and lacking free will.

Either meaningfully operationalise it or accet the logical conclusion
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>>153321140
>planes were considered more valuable than the pilots
Did they do a cost benefit analysis and find this to actually be the case? We now know good pilots to be harder to replace than planes, but were planes actually harder to build in the early ww1?
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>>153321545
As you can see this analogy is widely accepted as a valid one here so nothing wrong with that although it does say something about average /a/non.
>>153321570
>lot less free that it might have been otherwise
>influence of Being X
So you're telling me one outside influence is limiting subject choice by interfering with the circumstances more than natural forces such as gravity?
What are your basis for that assertion?
How did you judge that and what scale do you use?
Did it ever occur to you that this scale is, PERHAPS, subjective?
>As in, you're not free to choose to fly because you don't know magic/money to buy an airplane ticket.
If you don't know magic and don't have money to buy a ticket - you are not in a situation to begin with.
Meaning you're not presented with choice at the moment.
Nobody denies it to you, you do not have enough perquisites to be presented with that choice.
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guys . .stop smoking . . think of the Loli's

non smoker & alcohol drinker here :3
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>>153321570
Then what operationalisation do you propose to be the criteria for reasonably freely made decisions.
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>>153321673
She can put up oxygen mask with an orb.
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>>153321484
And saying "He passed away" sounds a lot less worse than "He kicked the bucket", yet that doesn't mean there's any more truth to it.

In your case, you're actually losing information value from the statement: "He forced me to suck his dick at gunpoint" implies both "I chose to suck a dick to avoid dying" and "I don't like sucking dick". You are only focusing on one point, and then try to make that one sound as "bad" as possible. On an objective level, there's clearly nothing bad about valuing your life over the purity of your mouth, so why would you have to express it with a statement that sounds bad?
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>>153321654
Look man, you're not using real logic, you're using leaps of logic to try to argue something unrelated to the original argument.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore.
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>>153321699
That would be rude.
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>>153321625
We should use this one>>153321625
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>>153321735
>On an objective level, there's clearly nothing bad about valuing your life over the purity of your mouth
>why would you have to express it with a statement that sounds bad?
This is why "forcing" and "coercing" only exist to depict the subjective rationalization like this.
You still made your choice but you use those words to make it sound like you didn't have any.
Which is a lie.
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>>153321660
they didn't do a cost analysis, it was just generals not acquainted with arial warfare thinking, "the safety of pilots is secondary to the risk that we'll lose too many planes if they jump at the first sign of danger" they gave them to zeppelin crews throughout the war, it wasn't until the final 6 weeks of the war that Germany finally decided that issuing aviators parachutes was a good investment.
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>>153321833
>zeppelin crews
i mean observation balloon crews
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>>153319495
Franco-German butthurt goes way farther back.
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>>153321746
>you're not using real logic
Care to rationally explain why. Extensions of logic are a facet of logic. You're arguing without logic or premise. You refuse to operationalise in a meaningful way.

Either everything is done freely, we're all constrained in someway or another but our choices are our own OR none of out actions are done with free will as the contraints upon us are considered significant enough to have undue power on our decisions.
Without a meaningful, rational distinction for middle ground this is the truth of the matter. If you think there is a criteria in which partial constraints allow for enough freedom to have free will but beyond that the contraints are to great and you're under duress please define it.
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>>153321864
Yeah, but the arsebleeding caused by the loss of Alsace was intense enough to created large "FUCK THE GERMANS REVENGE WAR NOW" movements.
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>>153319841
I think that's the point. Slaryman said that he didn't believe because his life was too easy to need any faith. Now Being X makes his life as hard as he can without outright killing him.

Just torturing Tanya would have been easy but it is too simple and probably not enough. Allowing her to work out solutions to problems and then crush them all one by one showing how powerless she really is without Being X is another matter. It's a mental torture.
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>hire bum
>give hum a gun
>set up an independent system where bum does not get a reward if he does not do exactly as you say
>even if it involves shooting you in a head
>lure random loli into abandoned building
>then tell her "Ok here's candy, now you can go"
>But a wild armed bum appears according to the schedule you discussed beforehand
>He cocks the gun, points it at you
>And commands you to fuck that loli or he will kill you
>"T-there is nothing I can do loli, I want to live after all"
>"I don't have a choice"
You enjoy loli, bum enjoy reward, you plea that he would actually fucking kill you if you didn't do as he said.
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why couldn't anime tanya be as cute and tiny as manga tanya
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>>153321867
>Care to rationally explain why
Stop using the world operationalise dude. There's nothing to measure here.

Anyway, I'd love to go into another argument with you, but 4chan is a shitty platform for it and I'm tired.

This is pointless anyway. You're arguing something entirely unrelated to my original point (>>153319587) which is:
>Being X sucks as a scientist, he taints his own experiments.
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>>153321856
and it wasn't until the interwar period that most countries realized that the risk of a pilot ejecting prematurely was less than the risk of having to train pilots to replace deceased pilots who could have otherwise been saved.
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>>153321981
>generic shoujo manga loli #343144
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>>153321981
Holy fuck, what gun is that supposed to be? It's huge.
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>>153321990
>your topic
My stake in this started when I said the difference between brainwashing and coercion was free will.
But sure, it is tangential to what you were arguing.
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>>153321673
The sound she made was very cute.
Is there anything Tanya can do that is not cute?
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>>153321990
>There's nothing to measure here.
If you cannot meaningfully measure the impedence of someone's decions then your point is moot and you have to pick on logical extreme or the other. Anything less is I think this so please agree.
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>>153321699
>>153321786
Remember the training episode
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>>153319131
The japanese concept of gods is different from the Abrahamic religions.

Japanese gods are super powerful deities, but not omnipotent.
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>>153321242
Watch episode 6. Planes go higher than normal mages and don't have anything against spraying them with machinegun fire. Green uniform allows them some degree of protection.

Same way combat planes are painted dark on top and light on the bottom.
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>>153322016
Solothurn S-18/100, maybe?
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