How do we Make Battle Shounen Great Again?

>>153243252
More explosions and powerlevels.

>>153243252
With more relevant tournament arcs that are not fillers

Also a unique setting where "OMGWE'RGUDS" does NOT occur. Battle Shounen ARE a homage/based on martial art films, not goddamn action blockbusters.

>>153243252
Stop trying to make it Days of Our Lives with sometimes a battle scene.
Go back to Basics.

>>153243252
Nice general.

strong energy beams that can destroy universes

>>153243423
and what are the basics, then?

>>153243485
Bruce Lee movies

>>153243343
Power levels and "power creep" are the reasons why battle shounens are ruined

>>153243252
You watch HxH, that's how.

>>153243622
t. faggot who likes a weak MC

>>153243836
t. faggot who posts retarded conjectures on 4chan

>>153243831
shonens are far from being bad

overused cliché story arcs and bland characters are the source of shitty quality

it doesn't help either that the whole show(s) are just numbers of power levels now

>>153244122
No.
>>153243836
Yeah because watching mary sues and gary stus is so exciting kek

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>>153244122
Wrong

>>153243485
Adventure series where the MCs just go around beating dudes and sometimes fighting in tournaments.
You know the Good parts of Dragonball.
Just have a good old time, don't have drama, and angst and gore. Just have fucking fun.

>>153243252
Creative superpowers, quirky characters and tons and tons of pure, unadulterated FUN!

>>153245720
>>>/ChuuniLN/

>>153243252
By returning to what it originated from.
Wuxia stories.

>>153243252
They fight naked like Ancient Greeks

>>153245883
This thread is the committee they used in Bakuman to come up with Panty-Flash Fight, isn't it?

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FUWA FUWA TIME!

What are the greatest battle shounen then? Dragon Ball was only good up until they stopped being creative and made everything about lasers and blowing up planets and standing around shouting.

>>153243764
Only if you skip the cancer that is chimera ant arc.

>>153243252
>All humans
>MC isn't someone special, just some random that learn to fight
>No retarded powers and shit
>Just hand to hand and relying on hard reads and outskilling your opponent
>No love interest

Boom 10/10 show if the fights are well animated and the characters aren't poorly written

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>>153247055
So just do what Holyland did.

interesting martial arts
less lewdfaggotry
tournaments
more grown men instead of standard shounen MC

>>153246364

That's basically all of Dragon Ball, wasn't it? Unless you're including Z etc. in that.

>>153247105
Yeah, pretty much

>>153247055
Sounds boring.

>>153247164
I own the manga so I only think of it as being Dragon Ball.

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>>153247187
You should go read Holyland, mate.

>>153243527
Underrated post.
I am not even in the generation of liking Bruce Lee but I am aware it inspired lots and lots of good fighting moments in any media.

>>153247915
>it's a "Bruce Lee pulls off Chuck Norris' chest hair" episode
Goddamn those movies are fun.

>>153243252
M O R E J O J O

>>153247987
But it's seinen!

Get rid of energy blasts.

Laser battles are the laziest shit ever.

You essentially posted the answer, OP.

Shounen needs to drop powerlevels and big explosions.

Having actual fights that are about skill, technique, and wits are far more entertaining rather than "I'm stronger so I win".

>>153243252
Completely and totally avoid "powerups".
The MC should only ever win fights through clever applications of existing strengths not by becoming exponentially stronger in all categories in the blink of an eye.

>>153250576
Unfortunately, many nip authors apply the
>work harder, not smarter
mentality to their series, because that's just how Japan works.

>>153243252
>How do we Make Battle Shounen Great Again?
Two words

Hiroyuki Imashi

>>153243252
Emphasis on fight choreography and animation. If those two are excellent and emphasized, the show will be good at worst.

No swords and no energy blasts.

Either adapt manga that's already been finished or make an original anime-only IP.

Give characters chins, noses, and jawlines.

No fanservice.

Only make merchandise if the show is successful.

>>153243252
Alternate versions of power levels without them being actual measurements of their power. One Piece does it best with bounties. It's not an actual measurement of your physical strength but your notoriety and potential influence in the world and the story as a whole.
>Chopper having a bounty of 50 beri, despite being one of the physically strongest crew members, because the World Government only has his cutest picture on file and they think he's just the team mascot
>Usopp having a 300 million beri bounty because of the notoriety he gained during Dressrosa, despite being the team coward

Add waifus

>>153254166
Just because Usopp's a coward doesn't negate the fact that he's one of the best snipers and actually quite crafty.
But I bet that Sogeking dude could totally outsnipe him.

Remove powerlevels

have fights that rely more on outwitting an opponent than just using brute strength

example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAvV17Ihd4k

>>153254489
Nah. Won't ever happen. Every anime or manga has to show the classical training montage, and after learning how to be tougher and hitting harder, kids do expect that the protagonist now uses his newfound gains to beat up the baddies more easily.

>>153243252

just give me good animation with emphasis on strength of impact

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZEFs_A0l7U
https://youtu.be/eab5d38UOxE?t=688

>>153255251

forgot to add asuka's fight against the eva series.

>>153251441
>Trigger
No

>>153254324
I never said that he wasn't strong. Just that he's not nearly as strong as people think he is. Dressrosa earned him a higher bounty than Sanji and the nickname "God Usopp."

>>153243252
Isekai setting.

>>153258429
You stop that

>>153243252
More tournament arcs.

>>153243252
One of two things.

Either do what >>153247055 said, or go back to being 8 years old when this over the top superpower bullshit was good to you.

>>153243252
Start with an interesting setting that allows for lots of different powers, martial arts, and weapons
Have a cast with interesting personalities, and have them go on adventures.

Basically pre-haki one piece.

>>153247164
Dragon Ball + DBZ = Dragon Ball

RubberandGum

>>153246467
found the retard

>>153247055
So basically HxH

>>153255251
thanks for reminding me how shit GL is

>>153247055
>No retarded powers and shit

You can have powers, just don't do power levels and asspulls

>>153243252
post more good battling

>>153264051
>no retarded powers and shit
I like hunter x hunter too anon but
learn to read

>>153254324
>Sogeking literally means Sniper King

Duh.

>>153253946
>No swords
Fuck you. I still haven't found many anime that satisfy my sword fetish yet.

>>153253534
This oh my god this is all you need to make fighting shows fun to watch.

>>153264610
thought by retarded you meant shitty, not existing at all. carry on

>>153243252
bokuno no hero season 2 with 24 episodes

>Get rid of plot armor and actually make the main character lose every now and then.
>no power of friendship
>make it so anyone can die, even mc
>no more generic good vs bad guy story.
>avoid using teenagers as much as possible. School settings are overused
>no more retarded generic mcs. Give mc an actual personality
>actually make romance progress. No more blue balling.
>make side characters important. No more mc always saves the day and mc always defeats the big bad.

There, I saved battle shonen. What do I get?

>>153243252
Remember when fighters in Dragonball actually used fighting techniques, other than just throwing random punches for 30 minutes? Good times.

>>153266623
bnha is pretty basic, anon.