UQ Holder 133 spoilers

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>>153134217

Come on Eva and Fate, do something.

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>>153134299
That's all for now.

>>153134134
How is Santa's clothes always investable to whatever bullshits going on?

Jesus fuck Akamatsu, this manga is complete garbage now.

>>153134418
I suppose they are an illusion, almost like him.

>>153134499
He can make himself tangible right?

Or whatever is going on in >>153134161

>>153134496
What did you want? The difference in power is clear. Asuna's plan is their only way to win.

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>132 still not up on the mega

Mega anon please respond.

>>153134299
>>153134410
Kririe confirmed as winner of the Toutab Owl

>>153134299
Kirie is the fucking best.

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>>153135061
You never stop, don't you?

>>153134134
Wonder how the bunch at TV Tropes are going to spin this as Touta being invincible?

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>>153135438
>year of our lord 2000 and 17
>still going to TVtropes

>>153134530
low level necro spell but still one that can effect him since his origins

>>153135625
>not wanting to read the WMG pages an learn about how EVERYTHING is part of the Dr Who and Warhammer40k worlds and is just Haruhi's imagination.

More anime news when?

I haven't been keeping up, what's Eva/Kitty/Yukihime doing? Will she get her happy end?

>>153136613
depends what/who you think is the happy end

>>153136549
Airing in October.

>>153136613
In the last chapter Negi rekted her in no time. No page about her yet.
>Will she get her happy end?
She will. It is literally the goal of the MC.

>Kirie gets skewered

This is the best timeline. Stupid cocky bitch.

All of these don't matter because Kirie can just reset time.

>>153138142
Maybe that's what they want. Or they could just petrify her or something.

>>153138178
Isn't it why Cutlass is stabbing her with Ensis Exorcizans replica? It will nullify the reset.

>>153138423
Maybe.

>>153134134
Man, this sure has turned into a huge clusterfuck after it changed magazines.

>>153140782
Can't follow battle scenes?

>>153140782
It is a clusterfuck.

>>153140782
It also got better after they cut out the retarded harem hijinx.

>>153140782
Hello OverMaster, why are you still reading this.

>>153138025
Too bad she'll survive.

>>153141686
That's perfect. Her dying fucks everything up. Her surviving and feeling the pain is more satisfying

Where is her reset point right now, anyway?

>>153143322
Not even the writers know that, anon.

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>>153141686
>even wanting second best girl dead
I'll cut you.

>>153143606
She deserves to die because she hogs all the spotlight / is an arrogant piece of shit.

>>153143606
Kuro and Karin are way ahead of her.

>>153143663
Exactly this. God it's like Ako all over again.

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>>153143606
we don't need pretend best girls when actual best girls are back

>>153137845
>October
Fuck man! I would love for this to get the AOT or Boku treatment. For all the crazy shit and fights that happen, it's gonna need some top notch animation.

...wish the original Negima anime had gotten up to at least the Jack parts.

>>153143731
My hope is that they do such a good job with UQ that Negima gets reanimated and properly this time. Good luck with that...

It's been so boring since the hiatus

>>153144097
It was useless harem shit before the hiatus. Ironically Ken actually is better at writing action than harem hijinx

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>>153143606
>>153143663
The only (best) girls who matter are Eva and Kirie. Prove me wrong.

>>153144369
Member when Eva was actually strong and kicked ass? She's a complete pussy in this series and Kirie is a worse, more useless Chisame.

>>153140989
>>153144296
>Ken
>action
I wholeheartedly. Negima REALLY picked up for me once all hell bust loose and spells were flying left and right. It was quick, interesting, well-paced, and with the harem stuff down to a minimum, it didn't undercut the possibility for romance.

>>153144296
Ken harem hijinks are often pretty good. But he abuses them too much.
>>153144491
>well-paced, and with the harem stuff down to a minimum
The pacing and timing was often horrible with some romance with haremette N.XXX of 10 chapters stopping the action. Action is good I agree.

>>153144491
Yes that's what made Negima so great. Negi was a kickass hero and the girls surrounding him were just as good. The series was action packed, light hearted, and even dark at times. It hit that perfect note.

>>153144639
In Negima the harem stuff worked but in UQ it feels forced and out of place. The loli race in particular is a real sore spot.

>>153143663
She's haughty but cute and pretty childish despite the mature act she puts up. But when did she hog screentime at all? Most girls/boys have their own little dedicated arcs with Touta. That's about even. Main plot related arcs that requires Kirie's ability to help the situation is obviously not the same thing since it isn't dedicated plot, but involves other characters.

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>>153144487
That hasn't changed. It can't be helped who she is fighting against though.

>>153141033
Nah, that dude sounds more like NapoleanDeCheese, mate

>>153144369
This is correct. The other girls are meh or don't matter much.

>>153144733
Fate nearly beat her earlier on. Dana completely clowns her and the MotB easily beats her with kissy attacks. She's a total chump in this series.

>>153144935
>Fate nearly beat her earlier on
Wrong. Fate and Eva are roughly even.
>Dana
She is Eva's master per se and is OP as hell. She's even a gag character of sort. That's fine.
>MotB
MotB can beat everyone short of Asuna and maybe Negi.

>>153144694
Sorry but no. In Negima that was more forced. Almost all the class falling for a 10 years. And only a few were interesting.

>>153145102
And here we have even less interesting girls falling for a four year old. It's completely forced in this series and doesn't fit at all.

>>153144935
>Fate nearly beat her earlier on.
No, he gave up. And he had an advantage at the beginning. Plus she is nerfed for an unknown reason, even he said that.
>Dana completely clowns her
Well, it's her master and she controls space-time. It was not even a true fight.
>MotB easily beats her with kissy attacks
MotB can beat everyone.

>>153145173
How can Touta and his harem or 4-5 girls be more forced than Negi? Are you fucking serious? Just say that you hate the series.

>>153145612
Because the series isn't geared for harem antics. Go read that loli race and tell me how well it fits into the series especially given what happens immediately after. I don't dislike the series but the harem shit is cheap and annoying when most of the girls cared little for Touta to begin with.

>>153145612
not him but negima started out as a harem while uq didn't and had it added later

>>153145680
As long as a manga can have SoL moments harem antics are always a possibility. It's true that Akamatsu does too much at times, but Negima was worse in that department.

>>153145833
There were harem elements since Kuroumaru appeared. And the fact that Negima started as a harem earlier doesn't really make it better. Some arcs were amazing, but most of them were shit and forced for girls who didn't even matter.

>>153145905
But when your series is strictly an action series it doesn't work. Also reading the last number of chapters puts way too much importance on Kirie, even more than Eva.

>>153146174
Actually it does. It didn't take itself seriously at the beginning unlike UQ. It would be like if Luffy started solving mysteries.

>>153146174
we might just be working with different definitions of forced, for me negima made it abundantly clear right from the beginning it was a harem so doing harem things isn't forced, uq was action and then action with kind of a love triangle and then action with a harem so the harem was forced

>>153146334
>Also reading the last number of chapters puts way too much importance on Kirie
My God, this. I love UQH and everything but holy fuck, if I didn't find Kirie annoying before, which I didn't I 'cause actually liked her as the Chisame of this world, spending that much damn time on her and just her and going NOWHERE with anything else was fucking grueling. I could see if this had been a tankoban and thus able to sift through relatively quickly but the fact that this was handed out week after week pissed me off.

>>153146967
Kirie is arguably the most important girl in the series and the least interesting. I rather liked her dynamic with Santa and was hoping they could be this series' Kotaro\Natsumi but Kirie got shoved into Toutas pants and has since become an insufferable twat. Way too much time dedicated to her and essentially little development.

>>153147207
>the most important girl in the series
No. I agree that Akamatsu has been pushing lately though.
>the least interesting
Indeed.

>>153147321
I didn't mean actually important like Asuna, more like forced importance like Ako.

>>153147207
>Kirie is arguably the most important girl in the series
disagree, I don't think this has ever changed from eva no matter how hard ken tried

>>153147362
>more like forced importance like Ako.
This this. So much this! I freaking hated how forced she was and it's the same here.

>>153147559
I don't mind Kirie as a character but she has better chemistry with Santa.

Who waiting for Venus world arc here?

>>153148044
My nigga.

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>>153147362
Eva is most important. Kirie is the second most important. If Touta can't win Eva, then Kirie is the girl who will be officially paired up with Touta.

Putting that side, just what is your problem with Kirie? Like seriously. She has the best interactions with Touta short of Kitty (past version) and has more development than any other girl other than Kitty in the same regard.

>>153149443
Look at his posts complaining about her itt, anon. The writing style is familiar if you frequent UQH threads. He is THK hating because tsundere. [/spoiler[

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>>153149558
I don't catch UQ Holder threads that often. Anyhow, that's stupid. Asuna, Chisame, and Eva are tsundere as well and they're good too. What the hell.

>>153149679
Haters tend to be stupid and irrational.

>>153142071
>She isn't going to chomp the instadeath pill and warn everyone
Kek

>>153149679
there's one guy that is stupid about liking her and one that is stupid about hating her that are constantly at loggerheads in these threads, benefit is their arguing keeps the threads up longer

>>153150247
Liking a cute and good little girl makes a person stupid? That's a foolish and childish implication.

>>153150436
>Liking a cute and good little girl makes a person stupid?
no but there's going stupidly overboard with liking things, it's why the word fanatic exists and it applies here

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I want to see more Negi wrecking shit

>>153149443
Because she gets forced onto the audience. Most of UQ besides Eva is completely irrelevant. There are other characters in the story but you'd never know it. Ironically Negima handled its character development better with a much larger cast.

Kirie isn't a bad character but she gets much more spotlight than the rest of UQ combined.

>>153151599
That's bullshit. How can you force a main character's screentime for having screentime a main character should get? And for one thing, why don't you say something about Kuroumaru who gets more screentime than Kirie?

>>153138423
Doesn't that assume that Kirie's crazy power is magic?

>>153151796
>Kuromaru gets more screen time than Kirie

But that's wrong. Kuromaru went on a date with Touta and that's the only thing he's done since the end of the Mahora arc. Plenty of time was spent exploring Kiries time stop ability along with the race as well as time stop revisited when she fell on Touta. If you don't think Kirie has had a large amount of focus you haven't been paying attention.

>>153151599
>forced
In other words, a character you don't like who gets a fair bit more relevance and thus spotlight. Kirie's powers is a game changer and a good counter to time hax. She has good reasons for receiving additional spotlight.

>>153151951
Cut of the crap. The single person Touta spends most time with is Kuromaru. They are partners in battle and whenever they go out on missions. Every character who has interest in Touta received intimate chapters spending time with him after the training arc. Being stuck the first time in the time-frozen world was Kirie's.

>>153152043
That's called bad writing. The rest of UQ is basically pointless.

>>153152200
Yeah Kuromaru has had so much focus during the race, the festival... nope here's another Kirie chapter because she's so hax.

>>153152252
What about the rest of UQ? So many characters we haven't been introduced to. It's frustrating.

>>153152204
>pointless
Ken do it all the time in Negima. Only a handful of characters are ever truly needed who could carry the whole group. But he still wastes time on side and useless characters and try ti make them relevant somehow.

>>153152319
But a lot of Negimas girls are actually useful. Here most of UQ doesn't serve a purpose. Even Eva is just a useless bitch.

>>153152252
>race
Fanservice chapters dedicated to the girls that includes Kirie. That wasn't an arc dedicated to just her, idiot. She has extra scenes to hint at her on-going development though, but that's it. Kuromaru isn't a girl, so of course he isn't i the race.
>festival
Which one and how?

>>153152454
So how come Karin didn't participate?

>>153152374
>But a lot of Negimas girls are actually useful.
Not really. They are about useful as UQH members when they fought Fate the first time.

>Eva
>useless bitch
She's one of the few who can carry the group. She saved their asses and stopped Fate.

>>153152527
Because she is not a loli. The race was for lolis obviously. Ken agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>153135625
This. I didn't even know it still existed (and am slightly depressed that it does).

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>>153147207
>Santa had the longest arc until MotB showed up
>Kuromaru spend more time with Touta than anyone else
>they don't complain about forcing and hogging spotlight
Landwhales confirm for loli haters.

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>>153152531
>Stopped Fate
Yeah look at her stopping Fate right here. Ku Fei actually managed to hit him when they met in the Gateport.

>>153152564
Eva's a loli. Why didn't she participate?

>>153152731
Name one thing either of those characters have done in the last 30 chapters that Kirie hasn't.

Santa has literally done nothing since he joined UQ.

>>153152733
Eva wasn't with them and has other times to deal with it. I wish she did though. Fucking Ken keeping her in old hag form too much.

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>>153152808
>tfw Kirie gets more screentime than the main heroine

>>153152766
Not counting most recent development fighting off Negi's team? Kuromaru fought in the tournament with Touta.

>>153152845
Eva isn't the main heroine, she's a true heroine. Kirie is the closest thing to a main heroine. Note the difference.

>>153152897
That was a loooong time ago. They haven't done any actual tournament fighting since like... before chapter 100.

>>153152944
What the fuck does that even mean.

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>>153152733
That didn't do anything to Eva. Why are you being an ass about this? Fate isn't supposed to be a pushover, they are supposed to be about the same level. Fate obtain the concept of learning and getting stronger in Negi, that was one of this developments in Negima. Eva needing to use ME against him now is to show how strong he has become.

>>153153094
Read more VNs and LNs. True heroine plays a central role and is the literally the hidden heroine who usually is the true love or simply very precious to the MC. Think Baldr Sky.

>>153153127
in Negima*

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>>153153127
>They are supposed to be about the same level

Remember that time Eva took out 5 Fates with a single spell? Remember that time she sent Fate packing?

Fate himself said in Negima he had no need to train or get stronger.

>>153153127

I miss the old days when Eva could fucking destroy Fate or basically anyone else without even breaking a sweat.

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>>153153094
>before chapter 100.
Nah.

>>153153320
She's a fucking pipsqueak. Ideally she could take out most of Negi's party but she's too much of a pussy.

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>>153153245
At that time, Negi and Fate in their prime condition are much stronger than those Fate constructs. And Eva was still much stronger than Negi and Fate. It's only natural she could easily take out out those guys.

>Fate himself said in Negima he had no need to train or get stronger.
No. Fate was a construct like those other Averruncus Series. They had no need to train or learn since they were born with everything they needed. But Negi changed that in Fate through their numerous encounters. That's why Fate was able to become stronger than the other models.

>>153153320
Same. Everyone short of Mage of the Beginning anyways.

If people haven't noticed it, Ken nerfed Eva in UQH like he did in Negima. So current Eva since the start of the story isn't able to fight at full strength. The reason is probably due to whatever happened 2o something years ago with Negi and MotB that weakened her.

>>153152319
>But he still wastes time on side and useless characters and try ti make them relevant somehow.
That is literally what he has done with Kyrie you're just too blinded by waifuism to see that.

>>153153320
Thanks Dana for undermining the most badass Negima heroine. She's complete shit now.

>>153153663
You mean Kirie? She's actually one of the few characters that matters and can carry the group. She saved the team more than once and has the only ability to do something about brown imouto's time manipulation. Are you too blind by hate to see that?

>>153153832
But that's just it. The rest of UQ is completely irrelevant thanks to Kirie. What's the point of Karin? Kuromaru? Santa? Eva?

Nothing. Thanks to Kirie they're all useless and irrelevant. This is what happens when you give a character a power that is complete hax. Just imagine if Negi kept his Pactio card.

>>153153832
He wasted a lot of time making her that much of a Mary Sue that makes the other characters irrelevant, you don't seem to understand Akamatsu writes the plot so he could write literally anything to stop brown imouto, he just chose to let a trash character do it.

>>153153896
>Karin
>Kuromaru
>Santa
Why don't you blame them for being weak and for not having a useful ability? You can't fault Kirie for being actually useful. That's like bitching at Yue for having her hax book who makes 90% of the other girls useless.
>Eva
Except she is far more useful than Kirie.

>>153154030
>character I don't like = mary sue
Bait.

>>153154071
>She's actually one of the few characters that matters and can carry the group.
You said this, not me.

>>153154030
>Mary Sue
Oh boy, here we go. Is Touta a gary sue too who makes everyone irrelevant?

>>153154071
But Yue didn't make Nodoka, Setsuna, or Kaede useless. With Kirie's ability there's basically no point in fighting. She resets time and completely undoes everything. That's the end of it.

>>153154133
He has shades of it. He's not exactly well written either.

>>153154127
>Ken do it all the time in Negima. Only a handful of characters are ever truly needed who could carry the whole group.
Yes, and? Literally the same for UQH. Touta, Eva, Fate, Kirie, and Diana are all that's needed.

>>153154187
Only Kirie and Touta are needed. The rest are not.

>>153154173
Kirie isn't a fighter. She needs other people to accomplish things to get pass a bad end.

>>153154233
She latches onto Negi, resets, and that's that. She can reset any time she chooses. She doesn't need Kuromaru or Karin to do that.

She's just a convenient reset button in case things go bad. In the grand scheme of things they don't even have to fight Negi's team. As long as Kirie's hax is omnipresent the rest of the team is irrelevant.

>>153154301
Still doesn't mean she can do things by herself.

>>153154382
But she doesn't need anyone else to reset. If shit goes bad, she resets and they do it again.

Negima handled time hax much better sadly.

>>153154173
Setsuna and Kaede are useless in the grand scheme of things. Stronger fighters makes them not needed. Yue and Chisame's abilities have their usefulness outside of battles.

Kirie's ability makes her matter. But what makes her matter is being able to reset time within a windowed timeframe and since she isn't as strong as the others in combat, she has to get them to achieve an ideal future.


>>153154215
You keep thinking that.

>>153154433
What's your point? Kirie's reset isn't without its weakness, you know. It stops working on someone like Fate after enough times due to his senses that can pick up temporal manipulation.

>>153154301
>She latches onto Negi
>Negi

>>153154445
But Setsuna and Kaede have a better track record than Kuromaru and Karin. Mana could've easily shot Negi and ended the Chao arc if Kaede wasn't there.

The ability to reset time far eclipses any possible combat abilities. She can reset time as many times as she needs to until she gets the desired result. If Kirie was alive in Negima she would've made most of the girls useless there too. If Negi lost to Chao Kirie would've just reset time and nothing bad would've come of it.

UQ Holder doesn't need to fight if they have the ability to reset time. It dissolves all tension.

>>153154526
But it worked on Fate anyway. As long as you have a save state you can keep retrying until you get the desired result. It makes the battles completely pointless and most of UQ irrelevant.

>>153154560
Just like she did to Fate.

>>153154173
>shades of it
Your bias is transparent as fuck.

>>153154630
>Negi took months and months to master Magia Erebea
>Touta masters it almost immediately

>>153154614
Fate would have kicked everyone's ass all over again at the new place if Eva wasn't there. Especialy since he figured out Kirie's powers, so he knows how to deal with her.

>>153154743
She would've reset time and tried again. Not hard to kill her.

>>153154663
Touta spent unknown amount of time training at Diana's place, but it sure as hell wasn't almost immediately. Plus, the Eva Touta encountered was a lot more willing and easier teacher than the way Negi learned ME.

>>153154776
No fucking way. Fate would use eternal petrification on her and everyone and end it there.

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>>153154811
But he already knew how to use it as early as chapter 51.

>>153154868
>Stone is hard to break or cut

>>153154886
Using it incompletely and without knowledge of it != mastered.

>>153154917
Magical stone from the strongest mage in the solar system, nigga. Can't do anything if everyone turned to stone. Fate is the worst guy to go up against as an immortal unless you're Eva.

>>153154963
But he still knew how to use it competently. With precious little training time.

>>153155035
So why didn't he do that then? Oh wait Kirie had a backup plan. Apparently Fate's petrification spell is easily dispelled.

>>153134757
link?

>>153154560
Better track record in their own series doesn't make the comparison invalid in context. It was Negi's own genius that saved him from the time bullet. Kaede went to stall Mana, but it wouldn't be impossible for Negi to get away if he really tried.

Yes yes, few characters always will make others useless by comparison. Ken always do that. Suck it up and too bad if your favorite waifu happens to be one of the useless characters.

>dissolves all tension
UQH proves otherwise. The first time Kirie used her ability, we didn't even noticed it until it was later revealed. The execution and writing matters, not the ability itself. Fate murdering everyone the first time was tense as fuck, and you'd be lucky that Kirie happened to make it on time the in the first timeline to activate her power. She almost didn't make it and that would had been that.

>>153155187
Fate used a simple petrification spell on her, idiot. He didn't use the eternal one that's obviously stronger than what pills can dispel. Fate isn't stupid, he came back with them so he retained his memories of the fight they had. He now knows how to deal with all of them.

>>153155361
But he's not against UQ anymore so it's irrelevant. Kiries power is too hax and even the strongest mages can't deal with it

>>153155401
>so it's irrelevant
Crap argument. Fate would have won again after they brought him back with them. And if they do fight again, Fate would utterly stomp them, more so with foreseeable prep time that he has since that fight.

>>153154614
See >>153155243. Misquote if you didn't notice.

>>153155187
He can barely control its incomplete form. It's not like Negi picking flash step as quickly and competently as he did was any different.

>>153155652
But he didn't even know he had it. He used it without any prior knowledge of the skill.

>>153154030
I wish dumb people like you knew what mary sue actually means instead of misusing and turning it into a buzzword for X character you don't like.

>>153155243
>Karin hasn't won a fight since the first arc, including losing to Touta twice

>>153155678
Typical shounen trope of unknown power that manifests during emotional distress. And like most shounen trope, training is needed to use it right and that's what Ken did.

>>153151926
The sword stops anything supernatural.

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>>153155757
?

>>153152944
>Kirie is the closest thing to a main heroine
She is not. Before Kuroumaru had more screentime than the others too.

>>153155757
notCiel beats Touta around all the time before he got super-power ups though.

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>>153143606

It's okay.

She'll get twice the power-ups to go with her suffering.

>>153155904
>Kuroumaru
>a girl

>>153155884
Yeah that was their opening assignment. You know, the first arc.

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KEK

>>153155236
https://mega.nz/#F!CAlXEY7L!cooKERhviytsGX16p2iVMg

>>153155973
>Kuroumaru
>Not a girl
???

>>153156275
It's a hermaphrodite.

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>>153152303
When, Ken!?

>>153152303
Jinbei and the other guy whose name escapes me because he's had no focus (spiky hair and glasses) really need some spotlight. I miss Jinbei, especially. He was fun.

>>153156336
Never because he's not important and never will be.

>>153156336
By this time in Negima most of the class was already introduced...

>>153156393
Yeah he's not Kirie.

>>153156389
hopefully kirie irrecoverably dies this arc freeing up some spotlight space for other, most likely better, characters

>>153156327
It's the heart that matters, the heart!
>>153156424
>By this time in Negima most of the class was already introduced...
Well, most of the girls are not fighters and only matters for romcom.

>>153156619
So? There's been plenty of time to show us the other UQ Holder members. It's wasted potential and unless this is another Zazie thing it's not likely to be interesting when or if they finally get introduced.

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>>153155757
>didn't use blessing
>was distracted over lewd thoughts of sixteen year old loli Eva
Wasn't a real fight. It's not like either one can kill each other anyways.

>>153156424
>>153156543
I can feel your butthurt and shit taste from here.

>>153156736
>Hunter nudifies her
>She doesn't care
>Touta nudifies her twice
>She does care

I miss old Karin.

>>153156268
thx

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>>153156389
>Ken says he added more male characters to draw in more female readers
>goes full harem and most of the team is made up of girls who are naked 90% of the time, not to mention Touta's bro turns into a girl if he gets even a little homo

Does Ken even fujo?

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>>153156768
Sorry for liking better girls.

>>153156126
fuck off dergilga

>>153156806
>Negi x Fate is still rock hard after all these years
>Kuroumaru swings both ways, but is mainly use for BL
It's not like he needs more males for homolust.

>>153156824
Awful and ugly fanart that goes with shit taste.

>>153156775
Back then it was a serious situation and they were alone. Here they are seen by others.

>>153156824
>violent Setsuna copy with tits
>better

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>>153156908
>She's alone with Touta
>Again she covers

>>153156923
>Setsuna copy

You know that's Kuromaru, right?

>>153156977
Not him but Kuroumaru has only the gender trait. He's much more dere and friendly with Touta.
>>153156950
Well, it's Touta.

So Kotaro hasnt come in to svae them yet?

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>>153156977
Nah. She's close to Setsuna than Kuromaru. Karin has the personality, outfit, and yuri tendencies down.

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>>153156861
>Negi isn't actually around to interact with Fate in UQ
>Kuroumaru grows tits every time Touta makes his heart flutter

No, more homolust is needed.

>>153157053
>Karin comes from a bird tribe, is distant but friendly, has conflicting feelings about the local Konoe
????

>>153157129
For fuck's sake Karin doesn't even practice Shinmeiryuu. If anything she's more like Motoko.

>>153157165
She doesn't need to. The only thing she is missing is sword and Setsuna's sword style, but everything else is taken from Setsuna.

>>153157209
But she's really not. Karin couldn't pass for a boy, she's psycho and actually lesbian for Eva, and really hates the MC and probably all males. Setsuna is far friendlier than Karin, far more masculine, and doesn't come from a bird demon tribe.

The one thing they share in common is they both use a sword. But Kuromaru uses Shinmeiryuu and even the same techniques as Setsuna.

>>153154886
I didn't notice it before, but those are basically the same as that giant battering ram Rakan used against Fate.

I like the design.

>>153154663
You serious, mate? Touta's used Magia Erebea a longer time than Negi, and he can still barely use it properly.

>>153157353
Karin doesn't have a reverse trap charm hence why she's Setsuna with tits. I wasn't the anon who mentioned bird tribe, btw. But as I said >>153157099 >>153157209, she has everyone else down. Karin is like early Setsuna who was serous, fiercely yuri, and a growing tsundere.

>>153157209
>>153157099
Karin's personality is nothing like Setsuna's. I really don't feel like digging up pages from Negima, but Setsuna was a grade A dork. If she wasn't fighting she was freaking out and getting flustered all the time. When she found out Asuna was a princess she kept groveling and panicking over how to act. That doesn't sound like Karin at all, and does sound like Kuroumaru. Plus as another anon has pointed out, Kuroumaru is also from a bird demon tribe and practices Shinmeiryuu. It should be obvious who the Setsuna expy is here.

>>153157511
But Karin is actually psychopathic. Setsuna only really got mad if Konoka was threatened, otherwise she was very nice.

>>153157543
Karin acts like a kuudere around girls. So she can be nice too when around the right kinds of people. This is comparing to the more serious and kuudere-ish Setsuna in early Negima to other girls.

>>153157564
Karin only gets like that when Yukihime is concerned, just like it is Konoka for Setsuna.

>>153157734
But she acts like that only towards Touta, not to any actual threats. She's a yandere.

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>>153157511
>Setsuna
>tsundere

Now I know you're just arguing on faulty memory. Setsuna was not tsundere. She seemed serious in the beginning because she was purposely distancing herself from Konoka in fear of hurting her, not because she was being tsundere. Even in the very arc she was introduced Ken was already showing the friendlier, easily flustered side of her.

Setsuna being introduced as serious and distant was not a personality trait, it was a result of her purposely staying away from Konoka, and that act dropped like a rock in the same arc she was introduced in.

>>153157811
Nah. She's tsundere to Touta. But she does have a bit of yandere trait for Eva.

>>153157982
You're thinking in highlight and not how she was presented at the time. She had a reason to act tsun and is perceived as tsun. It's that simple. She was rather cold to the others, but not it wasn't tsun, but more kuu. Difference is Setsuna changed quickly, but Karin hasn't yet.

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>>153158079
No, I am thinking of how she was introduced, and she did not act "tsun," in fact she acted respectful towards Konoka even when avoiding her. Also Setsuna did not "change," what part of "it was an act" do you not understand? Karin's attitude is not an act, that's straight-up her personality. Setsuna was acting out of fear getting close to Konoka would hurt her.

So anymore spoilers? Perhaps a text spoiler...?

>>153158463
There are many types of tsundere. You don't need to be mean or violent. Cold, distant, basically standoffish works just fine. Setsuna's belief changed, therefore her personality changed.

>>153153547
yes it was established early on in Holder that Eva has been nerfed somehow. She flat out said it at one point.

We don't know what happened though. Could be a curse of some kind or something else.

>>153158814
What "belief"? I feel like you really aren't understanding the fact it was an ACT, one that begins to crack as soon as the second chapter of the Kyoto arc. How can her personality change if she was purposely keeping her distance? What you perceive as "tsun" is no such thing because her actions were done on purpose, not fueled by conflicted feelings.

What changes is her ability to open up. Once she opens up her real personality that has always been there since the beginning comes through. And it is nothing like Karin.

I have never in my years as a Negima fan seen anyone ever refer to Setsuna as coming off as tsundere in any instance, so clearly it's not something that's commonly "perceived" by the reader, as you seem to think.

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>>153159248
You should probably re-read some of the early volumes. There's a reason why Konoka thought Setsuna hated her. Setsuna acted in such a cold and stoic and serious way towards her. She's been like that for they were younger. It's her duty and of course, but also fear that Konoka might be afraid of her for being a tengu demon or whatever. That changed once she is accepted by Konoka and came to accept her own feelings.

>>153159561
Konoka thought Setsuna hated her because she's dumb.

>>153159595
Not really. She's a lot more perceptive than most gives her credit for. Moreover, how Setsuna acted towards her despite how much she actually likes her doesn't change.

>>153156736
>>153156950
>only chick with a gr8 body other than Eva
>lesbo chick

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>this thread

say, does someone have a zippyshare file for chapter 132 for clear english version from crunchyroll?

>>153161553
Meguca.